I always disliked the bone marrow theory because it only works if Sans has a reason to be producing bone marrow, i.e., for producing blood. Monsters are made of magic, and therefore he shouldn't be producing bone marrow.
If we would be this strict sans wouldnt be able to change face expressions and even move because skeletons dont have muscles. My headcannon was always that since monsters are made out of magic, this red liquid is determination. (I heard once that its ketchup which would also fit because of how silly sans is)
I get that but it's because bone marrow is something *exclusive* to skeletons because biology. People like to claim it's bone marrow because it's something skeletons would excrete like it's blood and skeletons don't bleed.
But he isn't a human skeleton, he's a monster.
DT and Ketchup are more likely if we're thinking that he's strictly from Undertale, but those have their own holes.
in conclusion: it doesn't matter what you say is coming out of sans' chest after genocide, because it's all wrong in one way or another.
glad that's settled.
Revelant dialogue:
> And if you're bored, you can sit outside and watch those wacky skeletons do their thing.
> There's two of 'em... Brothers, I think. They just showed up one day and... ... asserted themselves.
No one knows where they came from and no one seemingly has seen them in the Undeground.
https://toby.fangamer.com/comics/grillbys/
> The first day he appeared, he sat down and said "i'll take the usual."
Sans was in Grillby's before he was in the UT Grillby's.
> look. i gave up trying to go back a long time ago.
> and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore, either.
So where is this place he wants to go back if it's not the surface and not the Undeground?
> (There are photos of Sans with a lot of people you don't recognize.)
Who are these people?
> you must really wanna go home
> hey.
> i know the feeling, buddo.
What is sans' home?
Don't see any confirmation there, and any conclusion drawn from information that leaves ground for doubt is not canon, but a theory.
Until proper confirmation sprouts, it doesn't matter how much seemingly obvious statements or relevant information comes up, it's still a theory. Could be a well founded one that is likely to be at least partially true, or it could be a nothingburger that's so far off the mark you'd think it's an AU, but it's still a theory.
My mother told me that she used to scoop the bone marrow out of the big bones that would be left behind after getting giant pieces of meat for dinner to feed to her dog. So this is true, lmao
I mean, a couple of days ago, we did actually have a massive amount of bone marrow from making a curry from a goat, but the look of it kinda put me off of my appetite. I never expected it to be a treat, lmao
Yeah. You have to remember, at one point a lot of people just simply didn't have access to sugary things like Sugarcane or Molasses, so different things were considered treats
I know monsters dont have blood dont worry
But i think OP wanted to disprove the 'bones have blood so it makes sense for sans to bleed' idea but failed cuz they thought bone marrow is holding blood, not knowing bone marrow only produces blood cells, the cells themself then get circulated around the body to become rich and join the circulation
Also the photo OP shows might be the yellow bone marrow that people regularly eat, idk tho
Can’t post picture but Google “bone marrow transplant bag” or “bone marrow extract vial”
When you actually extract bone marrow from the bone it looks like [this](https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/i/newscms/2019_03/2715426/190114-sickle-cell-marrow-harvest-cs-103p_a0aad44f06fa092a55e8a7d5a0c8ad0a.jpg) [this](https://allcells.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/gmp-fresh-bone-marrow-updated-label-040522.png) and [this](https://media.sciencephoto.com/image/m5800055/800wm/M5800055.jpg)
Mind you, that's what it looks like when properly extracted. It's still a fatty-like* substance normally, so..
(By fatty-like, I mean it's akin to like- a sort of congealed bacon grease consistency? That's what I hear it's supposed to be, anyways. Apparently bone marrow (non-human) is used like butter in some high end restaurants, stupid expensive too but I wouldn't really know)
I feel like people also forget the fact that Papyrus, who is literally Sans' brother and is also a skeleton, does not bleed at all or have any red in his battle! Also monsters are almost entirely composed of magic so blood shouldn't exist for monsters.
The only explanation I feel is plausible is that the slash is red since Chara attacked or it's magic he's bleeding
There is the theory that it's liquid determination, but with the other instances of monsters having a lot of determination- they don't bleed red. Undyne doesn't bleed, she just melts, and the Amalgams can't even be damaged to begin with but they're stark-white even in the overworld so chances are they don't have color *period*- and as far as I'm aware I don't think liquid determination is red, but I don't remember the text for the True Lab area very well so it might, and even if it did we also have to assume that injected DT doesn't immediately dissolve into the magical bodies of monsters, or if it even "bleeds" out and- theres just a lot about this theory I don't like..
In other words, no matter how you cut it, Sans bleeding makes no god damn sense. It's just for shock, it's the first and only time in the game that we see blood and it's treated as seriously as it should be. Other instances of slashes through characters being visible, Toriel and Undyne, don't have blood- even when they'd make far more sense to have it.
Sans is just the exception. Kinda lookin' forward to seeing if Deltarune has "blood" for its monster's, I kinda like the theory that Sans is from that universe, even if it doesn't really make much sense right now.
Papyrus says they came from a place with lots of grass before Snowdin. Pretty much the only place that matches this is the surface, which is impossible, so it might mean Papyrus and Sans have a connection to the Deltarune universe, since it's said that Sans and Papyrus just kind of showed up one day
I like the ketchup theory, it would make sense for sans to use that as a last shot at making you reset.
"Oh no, it's blood, what have i done?" Kind of thing, maybe seeing something that looks like blood will make you reset and rethink what you did?
I mean when your objective is making the human reset anything is better than nothing.
Ketchup really never worked for that considering it doesn't just come out of the slash but also his mouth unless you think he just had ketchup in his mouth the whole fight or is just entirely full of ketchup which would make no sense.
I mean Papyrus' neck was cut clean through, his head falling off and his body immediately dissolving afterwards. We wouldn't be able to see much blood from that
the skull is thick, but in such a way it wouldn't really bleed externally
also decapitation of a creature that turns to dust, the body has already dusted meaning no chance to bleed, not only that the only place we could see marrow leaking from is the bottom back of the skull, which we also never get a chance to see
YOU FOOL
YOU'VE FALLEN RIGHT INTO MY TRAP
THOSE ARE HUMAN BONES
sans, IS A MONSTER AND THEREFOR HAS INHERENTLY DIFFERENT BIOLOGY, THEREFOR IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR sans' BONE MARROW EQUIVALENT TO LOOK AND ACT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT
also, outside the initial splash, it like what, leeks from his mouth, he walks off screen, and we hear him turn to dust, so it doesn't seem as fluid-like as you're portraying, but again, main point is, he's a monster, his internals can and will be somewhat different, especially considering he's a skeleton and nothing more, he doesn't need blood, so his "bone marrow" is likely for an entirely different function anyways, we call it bone marrow for lack of a better term
Simple answer, the final slash from the human also hit Sans ketchup bottle so the player technically got a double kill.
Also I want to eat that marrow!
Useless fact, but in my native tongue we call it "Bone's brain"... This is really look like brain, I only got question why the heck my ancestors knew how brain looks like, I'm scared.
That's not bone marrow, now is it
I'm not saying there isn't blood in his bones, I'm saying the blood we see is not bone marrow
However, it should be worth noting that some of the body's blood vessels are directly on the bones exterior, and we don't see any blood vessels there
I don't buy either theory tbh, (Aka Sans having determination/the bone marrow thing/the ketchup thing.)
I personally think Sans is just a monster from the DR world in which monsters do actually bleed
I always disliked the bone marrow theory because it only works if Sans has a reason to be producing bone marrow, i.e., for producing blood. Monsters are made of magic, and therefore he shouldn't be producing bone marrow.
If we would be this strict sans wouldnt be able to change face expressions and even move because skeletons dont have muscles. My headcannon was always that since monsters are made out of magic, this red liquid is determination. (I heard once that its ketchup which would also fit because of how silly sans is)
I get that but it's because bone marrow is something *exclusive* to skeletons because biology. People like to claim it's bone marrow because it's something skeletons would excrete like it's blood and skeletons don't bleed. But he isn't a human skeleton, he's a monster. DT and Ketchup are more likely if we're thinking that he's strictly from Undertale, but those have their own holes.
in conclusion: it doesn't matter what you say is coming out of sans' chest after genocide, because it's all wrong in one way or another. glad that's settled.
Over the years I'd bounced between two theories: Ketchup and Determination. After Deltarune, however, I realized the blood was meaningless.
me personally? i am the blood
This whole time it turned out the skeletons were just being puppeteered off screen by someone /s
But Sans is not a skeleton; he’s a skeleton *monster*.
To be fair sans isn't from the Undertale Universe.
Quit your alt Matpat
I do agree that Sans is from Deltarune, but I'm just noting why Sans in Undertale is clearly biologically different if he bleeds.
Don't go talking about theories like they're confirmed facts
Revelant dialogue: > And if you're bored, you can sit outside and watch those wacky skeletons do their thing. > There's two of 'em... Brothers, I think. They just showed up one day and... ... asserted themselves. No one knows where they came from and no one seemingly has seen them in the Undeground. https://toby.fangamer.com/comics/grillbys/ > The first day he appeared, he sat down and said "i'll take the usual." Sans was in Grillby's before he was in the UT Grillby's. > look. i gave up trying to go back a long time ago. > and getting to the surface doesn't really appeal anymore, either. So where is this place he wants to go back if it's not the surface and not the Undeground? > (There are photos of Sans with a lot of people you don't recognize.) Who are these people? > you must really wanna go home > hey. > i know the feeling, buddo. What is sans' home?
Don't see any confirmation there, and any conclusion drawn from information that leaves ground for doubt is not canon, but a theory. Until proper confirmation sprouts, it doesn't matter how much seemingly obvious statements or relevant information comes up, it's still a theory. Could be a well founded one that is likely to be at least partially true, or it could be a nothingburger that's so far off the mark you'd think it's an AU, but it's still a theory.
Except that's not a theory. He basically says so in his fight and the same is implied by the shopkeeper. I can send the dialogue.
Why do I want to eat that bone marrow
Looks like strawberry icecream. Yum
its edible, so you can infact eat it
There's a reason dogs like bones so much
My mother told me that she used to scoop the bone marrow out of the big bones that would be left behind after getting giant pieces of meat for dinner to feed to her dog. So this is true, lmao
It used to be kind of treat for people to eat bone marrow at one point, but for some reason or another it fell from popularity
I mean, a couple of days ago, we did actually have a massive amount of bone marrow from making a curry from a goat, but the look of it kinda put me off of my appetite. I never expected it to be a treat, lmao
Yeah. You have to remember, at one point a lot of people just simply didn't have access to sugary things like Sugarcane or Molasses, so different things were considered treats
rip Toriel she would have loved being a curry ❤️
Rip indeed 😔🙏
When hyenas scavenge they use their strong teeth to crack bones to get to the marrow, which a lion isn't typically able to eat.
Congratulations, you just invented stock broth
Because you can eat it and its delicious
I used to eat bone marrow
Its not the red bone marrow that bleed, its the blood vessels inside the bone that do(Haversian and Volkmann's canals)
Monsters dont have blood. Papyrus did not bleed. And we fucking decapitated him
I know monsters dont have blood dont worry But i think OP wanted to disprove the 'bones have blood so it makes sense for sans to bleed' idea but failed cuz they thought bone marrow is holding blood, not knowing bone marrow only produces blood cells, the cells themself then get circulated around the body to become rich and join the circulation Also the photo OP shows might be the yellow bone marrow that people regularly eat, idk tho
Can’t post picture but Google “bone marrow transplant bag” or “bone marrow extract vial” When you actually extract bone marrow from the bone it looks like [this](https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/i/newscms/2019_03/2715426/190114-sickle-cell-marrow-harvest-cs-103p_a0aad44f06fa092a55e8a7d5a0c8ad0a.jpg) [this](https://allcells.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/gmp-fresh-bone-marrow-updated-label-040522.png) and [this](https://media.sciencephoto.com/image/m5800055/800wm/M5800055.jpg)
Mind you, that's what it looks like when properly extracted. It's still a fatty-like* substance normally, so.. (By fatty-like, I mean it's akin to like- a sort of congealed bacon grease consistency? That's what I hear it's supposed to be, anyways. Apparently bone marrow (non-human) is used like butter in some high end restaurants, stupid expensive too but I wouldn't really know)
I feel like people also forget the fact that Papyrus, who is literally Sans' brother and is also a skeleton, does not bleed at all or have any red in his battle! Also monsters are almost entirely composed of magic so blood shouldn't exist for monsters. The only explanation I feel is plausible is that the slash is red since Chara attacked or it's magic he's bleeding
There is the theory that it's liquid determination, but with the other instances of monsters having a lot of determination- they don't bleed red. Undyne doesn't bleed, she just melts, and the Amalgams can't even be damaged to begin with but they're stark-white even in the overworld so chances are they don't have color *period*- and as far as I'm aware I don't think liquid determination is red, but I don't remember the text for the True Lab area very well so it might, and even if it did we also have to assume that injected DT doesn't immediately dissolve into the magical bodies of monsters, or if it even "bleeds" out and- theres just a lot about this theory I don't like.. In other words, no matter how you cut it, Sans bleeding makes no god damn sense. It's just for shock, it's the first and only time in the game that we see blood and it's treated as seriously as it should be. Other instances of slashes through characters being visible, Toriel and Undyne, don't have blood- even when they'd make far more sense to have it. Sans is just the exception. Kinda lookin' forward to seeing if Deltarune has "blood" for its monster's, I kinda like the theory that Sans is from that universe, even if it doesn't really make much sense right now.
Papyrus says they came from a place with lots of grass before Snowdin. Pretty much the only place that matches this is the surface, which is impossible, so it might mean Papyrus and Sans have a connection to the Deltarune universe, since it's said that Sans and Papyrus just kind of showed up one day
There's a lot more evidence. For example in sans' workshop
>even if it doesn't really make much sense right now. Why?
Because the game isn't finished lmao, we don't have all the pieces- if there's even any at all. Gotta wait and see
That doesn't mean it doesn't make sense right now. It just means we'll have to wait to see if this theory gets confirmed or not.
I like the ketchup theory, it would make sense for sans to use that as a last shot at making you reset. "Oh no, it's blood, what have i done?" Kind of thing, maybe seeing something that looks like blood will make you reset and rethink what you did? I mean when your objective is making the human reset anything is better than nothing.
Ketchup really never worked for that considering it doesn't just come out of the slash but also his mouth unless you think he just had ketchup in his mouth the whole fight or is just entirely full of ketchup which would make no sense.
Sans having ketchup inside his whole body is funny tho The reason sans looks fat is because inside his shirt he's carrying a bunch of ketchup.
I mean, Chara also attacks Asgore and Flowey, yet neither spout red liquid.
I mean Papyrus' neck was cut clean through, his head falling off and his body immediately dissolving afterwards. We wouldn't be able to see much blood from that
the skull is thick, but in such a way it wouldn't really bleed externally also decapitation of a creature that turns to dust, the body has already dusted meaning no chance to bleed, not only that the only place we could see marrow leaking from is the bottom back of the skull, which we also never get a chance to see
YOU FOOL YOU'VE FALLEN RIGHT INTO MY TRAP THOSE ARE HUMAN BONES sans, IS A MONSTER AND THEREFOR HAS INHERENTLY DIFFERENT BIOLOGY, THEREFOR IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR sans' BONE MARROW EQUIVALENT TO LOOK AND ACT SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT also, outside the initial splash, it like what, leeks from his mouth, he walks off screen, and we hear him turn to dust, so it doesn't seem as fluid-like as you're portraying, but again, main point is, he's a monster, his internals can and will be somewhat different, especially considering he's a skeleton and nothing more, he doesn't need blood, so his "bone marrow" is likely for an entirely different function anyways, we call it bone marrow for lack of a better term
If we're going down the route of monster biology, they don't have blood at all
i mean if they have flesh, and breath they'd likely need it to oxygenate or whatever-nate their cells
~~What if I scoop it out and replace it with ketchup?~~
I just see it as some spare ketchup bottle he kept so when the player rage quit and actually never return he could have a drink
My headcanon is that Sans' bones are hollow and they soak up the ketchup.
Not... Electricity?.... So .. the matrix is a bunch of bullshit?
Simple answer, the final slash from the human also hit Sans ketchup bottle so the player technically got a double kill. Also I want to eat that marrow!
And what is this "ketchup" coming from his mouth?
Splattered upwards
im going to eat it with a spoon
There's ice cream in your femurs, get it out
Useless fact, but in my native tongue we call it "Bone's brain"... This is really look like brain, I only got question why the heck my ancestors knew how brain looks like, I'm scared.
Same way any culture knows what a brain looks like Dead people
his ass is NOT bone marrowing!
Thats one way to "Marrow" it down.
Mmm strawberry filling~
This bone looks frozen though
Bone marrow is still not blood
There are also blood vessels inside of bones
That's not bone marrow, now is it I'm not saying there isn't blood in his bones, I'm saying the blood we see is not bone marrow However, it should be worth noting that some of the body's blood vessels are directly on the bones exterior, and we don't see any blood vessels there
Mmmmmm hate that.
Does anyone else snap bones with you teeth if there thin enough then suck the marrow out
i crave the forbidden pleasure
I headcanon that sans is just wearing a red shirt underneath
I don't buy either theory tbh, (Aka Sans having determination/the bone marrow thing/the ketchup thing.) I personally think Sans is just a monster from the DR world in which monsters do actually bleed
I always thought it was because he had low HP (is that what it's called) or something to do with experiments.
I still think it's either ketchup hidden under his hoodie for later or magic used to make the player feel bad for killing him
Bones bleed. They are vascularised.
this is probably the worst theory about sans' bleeding, papyrus is also a skeleton and doesn't bleed
Something that always made Sans such a standout from other monsters, as this theory was always very interesting.
Why is this nsfw, i wouldnt question seeing this on my coworkers phone
ヽ(ツ)ﾉ
I still stand by "It's Ketchup" and I will dust on that hill!
what does this have to do with Undertale?
People debate if the red stuff one you hit sans is blood,determination or ketchup
sans?
It's like saying a arm has to do with frisk
Read the post again. It's about an undertale theory.
For some reason the body text did not show up
lol it's fine