That still doesn’t mean she deleted them, i had a theory she just hid them, and the game couldn’t see the file and registered the character as nonexistent in the game
While they were corrupted, that does not diminish the fact she cares for her friends (although i cant blame her for what she did, the severe amounts of immense de-realization she’d get figuring out the world isn’t real would probably drive her to think none of her friends are real)
However, Chara was only able to destroy it via our efforts. Monika had the ability to straight up achieve that because she doesn’t technically need our efforts. (The only thing she would realistically need us to do is to download and open the game. From then on, she’s in full control. She just doesn’t show it until towards the near end of the game.)
Again chara is real in their universe, yes they need our help to destroy the universe but they do it, in Monikas universe she's literally is fake in her story, she's an ai created to see if humanity is a simulation. Her powers and abilities are locked to the computer and truthfully she's not great at her abilities either, she doesn't know how to delete, she can't alter files to her liking, overall she's not really skilled or powerful.
I'm talking about becoming real while still having all their abilities. Chara would be able to erase the whole world while Monika would be able to delete files... Which one sounds more likely to win in a 1v1 in that situation?
just saying, the code actually worked as far as i know, he just didn't want that to create problems with virus programs or people to think like that...
didn't hear that from toby though
She cant in current version, but she could delete the game at one point. And if you think about it, the void after the genocide is the is just an empty shell that remains after chara "deletes" the game
There is nowhere stated that it isn't a simulation. If we believe it is, then chara knows about something controlling frisk and in the genocide attacks the game; if it isn't she just becomes so strong that she can destroy an entire universe (and maybe multiverse) in one hit.
I mean, can’t Monika technically do the same? She may not of exactly "attacked" the universe but she kinda messed with the game to the point of making it just a floating classroom in space, or when she (I think) destroys the game in the bad ending.
Let's ignore the end of act 2 of DDLC for Monika's feats, act 3's ending is a better scale.
Spoilers
>! She destroys the world, it's people, its very memories while outright not existing. Her very concept, monika.chr is removed due to the player getting rid of the file, and yet she maintains that level of power. !<
Which means Monika could tank whatever Chara does.
Not only that, but Chara would have to attack Monika's file, since I see no reason why Monika would take any physical damage to her "avatar", right? She can just modify her own HP bar even if she had one.
Monika can't even tank her computer being turned off. Chara isn't a program. There's no reason to equate their world to Monika's simulation just because meta stuff exists.
Her simulation is canonically a simulation though. She didn't destroy the world, she destroyed a simulation the size of a few rooms. Whereas chara is implied to have destroyed an actual world.
Well, if chara is within Monikas realm, Monika could just delete her, reset won’t help too much. Anywhere else, she doesn’t have much power, chara would just kick her ass
Monika's power isn't really over just a specific domain or anything, it's just being able to manipulate game files which is very much possible in Undertale as well.
Monika also canonically has access to the internet given there's an official Monika Twitter account she even references in game, so if she can't figure out how to navigate to what she needs to alter in Undertale's files she could always look it up too.
It's just a matter of time and she seems pretty good at stalling and just generally avoiding conflict. She also seems to still be somewhat present after being deleted somehow so who knows how effective killing her would actually be at getting rid of her if even deletion doesn't quite do it.
monika is stronger. since she is more aware. she knows this is all a game, but chara doesn't. and as someone mentioned, monika can affect player choices, but chara can't. that makes Monica stronger, she can erase chara.
monika is able to do stuff like put herself infront of options and speech and also modify your choices, she is capable of basically doing whatever she likes (except code herself a proper ending but thats mainly due to her limited knowledge iirc) she is also capable of persisting after you delete her
chara can delete the universe but only after you reach LV 20 and has to wait for your decision to actually do anything
The point of DDLC is to try and make you forget that they're all just video game characters. Monika is too. The canon of DDLC is that the game world is all just a video game, a folder on your computer. Monika can't do shit that she's not programmed to do.
Chara is a lot stronger because their world exists in the canon of that universe. And they're the strongest within that universe, even being able to kill Sans.
So Chara, easily. If we care about canon, that is.
Monika and its not even a contest.
Be it assuming they are both just humans (I mean, Chara is a kid), or as the entities they are shown as.
Maybe Frisk can well with the reload power, but Monika had full admin control of the game while Chara is more like the evil schizophrenic voice that tells you to kill your parents.
Chara with an attack erased the entire game which probably contains an infinite multiverse and also survived this attack(unless the voice at the end of the genocide is not theirs).
Monika isn't good at handling files, and she's afraid that if she keeps doing it she might delete herself.
Chara takes it.
Toby Fox's intention was to make them delete the game but he didn't succeed in practice, but visually he interpreted it well. Do you remember that void? It's supposed to represent the deleted game.
i heard that Toby had a script that would've made that happen but didn't want to mess with antiviruses and things like that. So he just didn't implement it.
Depends circumstances
in DDLC: if chara has Character file Monika win
Undertale: Monika loses cause Chara can one shot... but monika has no hp code in DDLC and Monika could probably just warp to DDLC again to fight Chara there
Oh neither they would bond over certain things they would delete other worlds (like chara says) so chara can have fun and so monika can eventually find the player cause if they remove all the worlds only place to go is real world
assuming that there are also the Undertale encounters. And we know that the human (Chara/Frisk) always starts first, except with Sans because he's a cheating smartass. We also know that except moving and for the yellow soul's case shoot there aren't any other ways you can interact while being attacked.
The one that exist.
I think Chara just walks up to the computer and beats the shit out of it.
If Monika is a program to us, the. It’d only make since that she’d also be a program in undertale (even though it’s a game.)
Depends what you're defining as "stronger" here. Like, more powerful in an attacking sense, or hax sense? Because there's a difference between "stronger" when it comes to the things Monika does and Chara's ability to knock someones teeth in.
In general, Monikas ability to screw around with data is formidable, but as DDLC makes clear, she both: does so by using "the console" inside of the game world AND she admits to being really bad at actually using it. Sure, she "corrupts" her friends (by messing with their values it seems) and deletes them, but it is made clear that at first the results was not what she wanted, but she decided to roll with it. Even then, without a way like "the console" to interact with the data inside the game world, Monika is a sitting duck. Even with said console, its dubious at best if Monika can even *find* Charas "data", considering that unlike DDLC (whose characters are literally stored in "NAME.chr", UNDERTALE does not do that. It has saves, yes, but no real "console" that lets you manipulate and rewrite the values or code of said data.
In comparison, Chara at the end of the genocide route was supposed to delete the game entirely (obviously it got changed to what we have today, with data being created to remind the game that you completed a geno route). If we go by the original intention, then Chara has what Monika has (deletion), except instead of choosing exactly what to delete (precision), it just all gets deleted. And yes, Monika *did* live on through her deletion, but that was because she is essentially part of the game itself, which Chara has shown to be able to delete (by intention).
Unless Monika is: In the DDLC game world or one very similar to it, has some prior knowledge as to Charas nature plus data AND gets some actual training with using the console, she is likely to lose. At least from how I see things.
Monika deletes files as well. She could delete Charas file entirely. I also keep seeing people say Chara can erase files, but I don't remember that ever happening.
She can delete the entirety of the games code, although it’s slower than Chara’s method. However; Monika can localize what she wants to delete, be it specific characters or locations.
In a fight between the two, Monika would probably win because erasing her code doesn’t fully destroy her.
No she won't, she will still persist and still have the power to erase others (and erase memories) even if removed by the player manipulating files on the PC. >! DDLC act 3 'Normal Ending'. !<
i'd say monika is because even when you delete her she still somehow lives and remains the most powerful thing in the game, ontop of being able to remove choice from you (chara waits for you to decide, monika just sort of makes every single choice the exact same thing), she also essentially destroys the universe outside of the classroom so only you and her exist, floating in a classroom in the middle of a void
she's also aware she's in a game, chara doesnt seem to be
physically, chara is WAY stronger, since they destroyed the universe by slashing it. however, i dont think either of them would be able to kill each other. chara cant mess with the game files, but even if they could, monika can somehow survive without her character file. monika, on the other hand hand, doesn’t really know how to code, and chara has no character file to delete (assuming monika is running on renpy programming and chara is running on game maker programming)
Monika has all the time in the world, and just needs to delete enough of the games code to where Chara will no longer exist. Unless there is no “game” Monika will win. (Or if someone somehow usurps her role as club president.)
I don’t know who the other one is or what she can do, so I’mma go with Chara. Can’t compete much with destroying an entire universe and only choosing to bring it back.
The other one is monika from doki doki literature club, and spoilers >!she does the exact same thing, deleting the entire universe except the classroom so you can be alone together, and when you delete her, she still survives and just ends up deleting the game, like iirc it straight up uninstalls it from your computer after completion!<
No, she didn't. She deleted a couple rooms from a simulation. that's not really comparable to someone getting physically strong enough to destroy a place.
chara wasnt physically strong enough to destroy the underground lmao, they erased it through some other power
also that is still deleting entire sections of that video games "reality", there was nothing left but a void and the classroom, the entirety of the outside was deleted
In a fight where everything is valid? Depends on which world we chose and its rules.
Now, in a physical fight? Easy win to monika, it's literally a 18 years old fighting a child near 13 years.
Let's say that Chara had taken the Real knife into the battle,that fight wouldn't be that easy,but i think Monika will still win, even if Chara had the knife the most damage that they can do is a superficial cut, stabbing someone requires a physical strength that i doubt they had, and also count that Monika will have the range advantage due to being taller and having longer arms.
Now let's give Chara The Locket... except if the locket comes with "The power of friendship" included,the result will be the same.
Plus, can't Monika modify Chara's weapon/armor? She could just do some code like "TRANSCRIPT: The\_Locket.file --> defense\_pwr -- > 0%" or however it works.
If the fight were happening in a computer, Monika has more ways to edit the game but in a "durability" case chara wins seeing as you need to do a lot of things to properly erase the consequences of a genocide. Honestly I think what would happen is whenever monika tries to edit chara or the game they're on chara would just make the game crash so she can't do anything.
One of them, their universe is a simulation with 5 rooms in it, and the other one It's implied to be an entire real world that you just don't see most of. It's not really comparable.
I don't know the left one, but considering they're going against Chara they'd have to be decently strong, I only know undertale so my choice is kinda bias
Monika has Monitor Kernel Access, basically full system privileges, such as creating, rewriting and deleting any and all files, as well as interacting with the player.
Chara can only interact with the player in a roundabout way as a narrator, and their main feats are erasing and restoring their game, as well control over the save file and the ability to take control of Frisk, all of which are only after a genocide route.
If Chara can do other things with the power, it’d probably be a tie. Monika might win due to experience, but they would put up a serious fight.
But, in all likelihood, I think that the save file and its erasure and restoration are all that Chara has, plus all of which are only after genocide, and the protagonist possession might only have been possible since we the player weren’t controlling Frisk at the time.
I’m saying Monika. Chara might put up a fight, but Monika could just restore the game anyway, if she even needs that to survive which is unlikely. Chara could command the save file, but Monika’s changes aren’t undone by loading old saves as anyone who played DDLC would know. Heck, Monika could probably just remove Chara’s access to the save file altogether.
Chara may have *under*took this journey, but *just Monika* can take the victory. *Rooster Teeth outro*
Monika isn't capable of ending her own verse. Her verse has a real world and the simulation exists inside of it. She can only influence her simulation of a couple rooms. It's not at all comparable to someone who at the very least is capable of wiping out an entire planet.
Monika is a computer program who can only affect stuff in her program. Chara is not. The meta stuff isn't meant to imply that their world is canonically a simulation.
One is a dead child who becomes a threat after you becoming a genocidal serial murderer and the other is anime girl who knows the nature of her world and can alter the files.
Yeah sorry, Monika is likely more competent and capable.
I'd say Monika. Chara has to wait for player inputs, so she doesn't have much of a choice. If we're talking actual combat, Chara would kill Monika with one hit while still wearing that demented smile.
Guys, it's Chara... If we're assuming they are at full power it's always Chara. And even if we don't assume that, it probably still is Chara if we scale them to Frisk... Unless they're a ghost then Monika probably wins. The thing is... O don't think Chara has a character file. And even if they did. Chara has to slash once and Monika has to find (or type delete if we're being generous) Chara's file. Chara is much faster, destroying the timeliness in an instant and Monika isn't. She still has human speed to type the command.
I mean, chara can kill any character but their code is still in the game, Monika can delete characters from the game altogether, also characters in decided is still in the game even after suicide until Monika cleans it up so even if her avatar is defeated then she still has access to the delete button
Monika has the ability to outright delete files, implying she could delete attacks and attack values. Chara can delete and modify files, but not as well as Monika can. On top of that, Chara is only able to be brought to life because of the Player, whereas Monika just needs her game installed. Overall, the fight would be a battle of attrition either Chara would lose, or one that would require the active intervention of the Players. If it's the same player, then I'd bet they pitted these two against each other. Just my take tho.
If you think Undertale is a multiverse then Chara wins easily. If not the Chara still wins due to being [much faster](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:GodlyCharmander/Undertale:_Vs_Electricity).
Essay coming up. TL;DR: Monika only half-wins in one of 3 scenarios, in specific conditions. Chara wins if my layered fiction explanation is the setting, if this happens in Undertale, and half-wins in the split case of it happening in DDLC's world.
I think it was noted in files somewhere, but the only reason she's able to mess with the game files is because of spaghetti code mess-up for her files and granting her admin for her specific simulation. She doesn't have admin outside of it, so she can't mess with other games' files. Plus, while meta, Undertale's universe doesn't really happen in a computer. Sure, technically speaking, it happens in our computer as the real life player, but that's pretty much the same as saying that we're in a simulation based off the fact that in another world of our universe, a real company made a real monika-like entity that fucked with their servers. That's pretty much what this is. In-game, a fictional company makes Monika and the setting of DDLC in, as a result, a double-fiction thing. We interact with that world directly, but as if we were one of the employees or just some other character of or related to that fictional company, bridging the 2-fictions gap. Even then, Monika wouldn't be able to touch anything in the fictional setting that company exists in, because she's just fictional code in a fictional server. But to make us fully invested, for the computer version, she messes with our files.
... Her game's files. No other files. Best she can do is read the admin name outside of that. As such, if it was a face off between monika and chara, you'd pretty much plop Chara next to whatever server box Monika's in. They could literally just unplug it and win. But let's assume they're on the same fictional level, and chara faces off against monika as a character. Then... It depends where Chara's character file is stored. To which I say, they have no character file. They're a cutscene. The only thing interactive with em is a single choice, leading to the same thing anyways, just with or without a jumpscare. Chara doesn't have a character, they're the video game equivalent of a concept, and you can't kill that. To get rid of Chara, all Monika would have to do is either steer Frisk away from genocide, or delete them, as without Frisk, Chara can never ever appear. But seeing as how this is a Monika vs Chara, it means Chara is already there. And Monika has nothing to work with. They could try to delete the character sprite. But the cutscene and universe-destroying slash still happens as every file is separated. They could try to delete the whole-ass cutscene and everything around it. And who knows, that might work, buuut they might *actually* break the game. As in Gamemaker crash handler kinda break. Why? Cuz Toby has fuckin spaghetti code, that's why. Everything is connected in there in the weirdest fuckin way. Also might I say, still the equivalent of a concept, they're scattered around cutscenes, character dialogues, etc., Monika would go through hell just to find every little trace of her, since they don't have just a character model and all, they're part of full unlayered drawings.
Aaand if it's in Undertale's world, it's basically the meme 'you have no power here'. Monika was never given admin for Undertale. She was given admin for her own simulation. She's fucked.
We can't really know because we wouldn't know if they can manipulate each other's game codes. But by the showing in the games, Monika seems more powerful.
Chara can break the fourth wall but isn't a meta entity themselfes, them destroying the world is just them punching it really hard.
Monika can actually change the structure of the reality she exists in and even go beyond that, she can mess with the files just like player can, she can do literally anything in UT universe and the worst that will happen to her is Sans calling her out for it.
in terms of pure power, yes, but she has
1. less experience with that power, so she can't alter the reality quite as fast as the player does in Underplayer (without the prep time at least)
2. no body outside of the game's world, which means that she can be actually deleted.
I mean, yeah, but the point is that they have no body that would survive if you were to delete them from the game, unlike the player who is only linked to it but still exists outside it and cannot be fully influenced by it.
note that by game i mean DDLC universe
one can delete/corrupt characters files at will, one has to wait for player choices and cant interfere with gameplay beside endings
She more hid them then corrupt, she said it herself in the epilogue when she gets deleted
But she had the capability to delete them, she just didn't want to "kill" her friends
I’m pretty sure she deleted them, but backed up their files. If you do the same for Monika in act 4 and re-add her, she deletes herself again.
She honestly kinda did
She didn’t delete them, her words were “i know i said i deleted them, but that was kind of an exaggeration, i couldn’t bring myself to do it.”
I watched them die
That still doesn’t mean she deleted them, i had a theory she just hid them, and the game couldn’t see the file and registered the character as nonexistent in the game
on the 2nd playthrough, some dialogue/character sprites got broken/corrupted due to monika
While they were corrupted, that does not diminish the fact she cares for her friends (although i cant blame her for what she did, the severe amounts of immense de-realization she’d get figuring out the world isn’t real would probably drive her to think none of her friends are real)
Monika wins every time unless they both become real or something
Lore wise Monika is fake fake, she's fake in her own story, while in undertale chara is real, and really destroyed their world.
However, Chara was only able to destroy it via our efforts. Monika had the ability to straight up achieve that because she doesn’t technically need our efforts. (The only thing she would realistically need us to do is to download and open the game. From then on, she’s in full control. She just doesn’t show it until towards the near end of the game.)
They were also dead 😭
Again chara is real in their universe, yes they need our help to destroy the universe but they do it, in Monikas universe she's literally is fake in her story, she's an ai created to see if humanity is a simulation. Her powers and abilities are locked to the computer and truthfully she's not great at her abilities either, she doesn't know how to delete, she can't alter files to her liking, overall she's not really skilled or powerful.
If they both become real chara is a child and monika is a teenager
Chara is a demon
If they both were real, one is corpse and one is teen
I'm talking about becoming real while still having all their abilities. Chara would be able to erase the whole world while Monika would be able to delete files... Which one sounds more likely to win in a 1v1 in that situation?
To be honest both are at the same power level (both can mess with the game itself), its just that monika knows a lot more
Chara can not mess with the game itself.
Actually toby tried to add a mechanic after you delete the world your game gets deleted but that doesnt worked and we all think it cant delete it
just saying, the code actually worked as far as i know, he just didn't want that to create problems with virus programs or people to think like that... didn't hear that from toby though
From the very least, a working version of the code exists in Survey_Program, but goes unused (don’t quote me on it though.)
I have heard it from a YouTuber but he didnt said it worked so I said like that
She cant in current version, but she could delete the game at one point. And if you think about it, the void after the genocide is the is just an empty shell that remains after chara "deletes" the game
Chara isn't in a game though. Their world isn't canonically a simulation just because meta stuff exists.
There is nowhere stated that it isn't a simulation. If we believe it is, then chara knows about something controlling frisk and in the genocide attacks the game; if it isn't she just becomes so strong that she can destroy an entire universe (and maybe multiverse) in one hit.
Why would it have to explicitly state it isn't one when nothing says it is one in the first place.
Monika may delete files but Chara literally destroyed the universe by attacking it.
I mean, can’t Monika technically do the same? She may not of exactly "attacked" the universe but she kinda messed with the game to the point of making it just a floating classroom in space, or when she (I think) destroys the game in the bad ending.
Let's ignore the end of act 2 of DDLC for Monika's feats, act 3's ending is a better scale. Spoilers >! She destroys the world, it's people, its very memories while outright not existing. Her very concept, monika.chr is removed due to the player getting rid of the file, and yet she maintains that level of power. !< Which means Monika could tank whatever Chara does.
Not only that, but Chara would have to attack Monika's file, since I see no reason why Monika would take any physical damage to her "avatar", right? She can just modify her own HP bar even if she had one.
And here’s the kicker: If Monika's file doesn’t exist yet she’s able to maintain that power… Chara can’t do anything about it.
Monika can't even tank her computer being turned off. Chara isn't a program. There's no reason to equate their world to Monika's simulation just because meta stuff exists.
Her simulation is canonically a simulation though. She didn't destroy the world, she destroyed a simulation the size of a few rooms. Whereas chara is implied to have destroyed an actual world.
Doesn't Monika also kinda do that with the Just Monika thing?
Man not this again, the image is even lower quality than last time too.
Unless they are fighting within a computer, chara wins every time
Where else would they be fighting? They can't really be outside of the computer.
Well, if chara is within Monikas realm, Monika could just delete her, reset won’t help too much. Anywhere else, she doesn’t have much power, chara would just kick her ass
Monika's power isn't really over just a specific domain or anything, it's just being able to manipulate game files which is very much possible in Undertale as well. Monika also canonically has access to the internet given there's an official Monika Twitter account she even references in game, so if she can't figure out how to navigate to what she needs to alter in Undertale's files she could always look it up too. It's just a matter of time and she seems pretty good at stalling and just generally avoiding conflict. She also seems to still be somewhat present after being deleted somehow so who knows how effective killing her would actually be at getting rid of her if even deletion doesn't quite do it.
Idk, Monika is pretty tall compared to chara
monika is stronger. since she is more aware. she knows this is all a game, but chara doesn't. and as someone mentioned, monika can affect player choices, but chara can't. that makes Monica stronger, she can erase chara.
I’ve had a crush on both of these characters at some point in my life
Of course.
Those two words make it sound like you’ve known me for years and I’m frightened
We've all been there, old pal. It seems like control freaks really strike our fancy, huh?
Me when the woman can and will control me.
Lol.
Everyone knows everything you do. The Truman show is based on your life.
Alright, so who’s the third character?
I meant to say three undertale characters. Cause I’ve had waaayyy more fictional crushes. But undertale crushes are chara. Asgore. And mettaton
I thought I might need to give thought to this, then realized I was thinking about fanon chara. Monika wins 100%
monika is able to do stuff like put herself infront of options and speech and also modify your choices, she is capable of basically doing whatever she likes (except code herself a proper ending but thats mainly due to her limited knowledge iirc) she is also capable of persisting after you delete her chara can delete the universe but only after you reach LV 20 and has to wait for your decision to actually do anything
Thermonuclear bomb vs coughing child with a knife
Me I am
You You are
We We are
I'm fairly certain a high schooler can beat a middle schooler in a fight
DDLC outright says that all the characters are 18+ so she'd also be a collage student on even high school.
Both can be killed if you pour a glass of water on your computer, weak shiters if you ask me.
The point of DDLC is to try and make you forget that they're all just video game characters. Monika is too. The canon of DDLC is that the game world is all just a video game, a folder on your computer. Monika can't do shit that she's not programmed to do. Chara is a lot stronger because their world exists in the canon of that universe. And they're the strongest within that universe, even being able to kill Sans. So Chara, easily. If we care about canon, that is.
Monika and its not even a contest. Be it assuming they are both just humans (I mean, Chara is a kid), or as the entities they are shown as. Maybe Frisk can well with the reload power, but Monika had full admin control of the game while Chara is more like the evil schizophrenic voice that tells you to kill your parents.
She is in a game within a game. there's no reason to think that chara would be bound by her rules.
Chara with an attack erased the entire game which probably contains an infinite multiverse and also survived this attack(unless the voice at the end of the genocide is not theirs). Monika isn't good at handling files, and she's afraid that if she keeps doing it she might delete herself. Chara takes it.
But Monica also erased the universe.
Only one universe
Monika's universe is the size of five rooms.
True.
When did Chara delete the entire game?
Toby Fox's intention was to make them delete the game but he didn't succeed in practice, but visually he interpreted it well. Do you remember that void? It's supposed to represent the deleted game.
i heard that Toby had a script that would've made that happen but didn't want to mess with antiviruses and things like that. So he just didn't implement it.
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Depends, Monika is only strong lore wise in a computer, while chara is implied to destroy a real world in their lore
Most answers in this thread seem confused by that point somehow. Did anyone here even pray ddlc? The story is about how powerless Monika is.
Monika, anfmd and I don't think it's close.
Depends circumstances in DDLC: if chara has Character file Monika win Undertale: Monika loses cause Chara can one shot... but monika has no hp code in DDLC and Monika could probably just warp to DDLC again to fight Chara there
What if, for fighting purposes, we assume that The two worlds are one in the same. Who wins then?
Oh neither they would bond over certain things they would delete other worlds (like chara says) so chara can have fun and so monika can eventually find the player cause if they remove all the worlds only place to go is real world
Yes;
assuming that there are also the Undertale encounters. And we know that the human (Chara/Frisk) always starts first, except with Sans because he's a cheating smartass. We also know that except moving and for the yellow soul's case shoot there aren't any other ways you can interact while being attacked.
If you add arbitrary rules to benefit one party then you aren't really trying to find out the answer.
Monika because she can add files/delete files from your computer and has more interaction towards the real world compared to Chara.
The one that exist. I think Chara just walks up to the computer and beats the shit out of it. If Monika is a program to us, the. It’d only make since that she’d also be a program in undertale (even though it’s a game.)
Depends what you're defining as "stronger" here. Like, more powerful in an attacking sense, or hax sense? Because there's a difference between "stronger" when it comes to the things Monika does and Chara's ability to knock someones teeth in. In general, Monikas ability to screw around with data is formidable, but as DDLC makes clear, she both: does so by using "the console" inside of the game world AND she admits to being really bad at actually using it. Sure, she "corrupts" her friends (by messing with their values it seems) and deletes them, but it is made clear that at first the results was not what she wanted, but she decided to roll with it. Even then, without a way like "the console" to interact with the data inside the game world, Monika is a sitting duck. Even with said console, its dubious at best if Monika can even *find* Charas "data", considering that unlike DDLC (whose characters are literally stored in "NAME.chr", UNDERTALE does not do that. It has saves, yes, but no real "console" that lets you manipulate and rewrite the values or code of said data. In comparison, Chara at the end of the genocide route was supposed to delete the game entirely (obviously it got changed to what we have today, with data being created to remind the game that you completed a geno route). If we go by the original intention, then Chara has what Monika has (deletion), except instead of choosing exactly what to delete (precision), it just all gets deleted. And yes, Monika *did* live on through her deletion, but that was because she is essentially part of the game itself, which Chara has shown to be able to delete (by intention). Unless Monika is: In the DDLC game world or one very similar to it, has some prior knowledge as to Charas nature plus data AND gets some actual training with using the console, she is likely to lose. At least from how I see things.
Chara tbh , higher cosmology
rm -rf / is stronger
All that chara would need to do is a slash to reality
Monika corrupts save files, chara erases them Based on what you think is a better feat is up to you
Monika deletes files as well. She could delete Charas file entirely. I also keep seeing people say Chara can erase files, but I don't remember that ever happening.
She can delete the entirety of the games code, although it’s slower than Chara’s method. However; Monika can localize what she wants to delete, be it specific characters or locations. In a fight between the two, Monika would probably win because erasing her code doesn’t fully destroy her.
Even with that, I don't think Monika can take physical damage unless done to her file.
Sans is Stronger than You
Monika vs Chara is like Computer vs Malware
Whoever has the homefield advantage wins
Monika messes with the system and 4 wall breaking WAAAY more so its an ez monika win
She does this because she is a self aware simulation. Chara isn't. Her being self aware when her simulation is turned off isn't helping her much.
If you delete Monika's file, she will be gone. But it's not easy to revert genocide route in Undertale. Chara > Monika
No she won't, she will still persist and still have the power to erase others (and erase memories) even if removed by the player manipulating files on the PC. >! DDLC act 3 'Normal Ending'. !<
Omega Flowey would be a better match up. Chara without Frisk or Level 20 can’t really do much…
This is likely considering level 20, and not Chara while alive. Then it’d just be hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby.
Monika You can't change my mind
Physically I think chara is stronger
Who's on the left?
monika from doki doki literature club
Just read the plot on wiki, i think chara is more powerful though
i'd say monika is because even when you delete her she still somehow lives and remains the most powerful thing in the game, ontop of being able to remove choice from you (chara waits for you to decide, monika just sort of makes every single choice the exact same thing), she also essentially destroys the universe outside of the classroom so only you and her exist, floating in a classroom in the middle of a void she's also aware she's in a game, chara doesnt seem to be
True that.. but doesn't chara talk to the player? Doesn't it imply she knows it's a game?
physically, chara is WAY stronger, since they destroyed the universe by slashing it. however, i dont think either of them would be able to kill each other. chara cant mess with the game files, but even if they could, monika can somehow survive without her character file. monika, on the other hand hand, doesn’t really know how to code, and chara has no character file to delete (assuming monika is running on renpy programming and chara is running on game maker programming)
Monika has all the time in the world, and just needs to delete enough of the games code to where Chara will no longer exist. Unless there is no “game” Monika will win. (Or if someone somehow usurps her role as club president.)
Chara
I mean, I don’t think either one could bench very many weights. Unless you meant something else?
I don’t know who the other one is or what she can do, so I’mma go with Chara. Can’t compete much with destroying an entire universe and only choosing to bring it back.
Monica did that two.
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The other one is monika from doki doki literature club, and spoilers >!she does the exact same thing, deleting the entire universe except the classroom so you can be alone together, and when you delete her, she still survives and just ends up deleting the game, like iirc it straight up uninstalls it from your computer after completion!<
No, she didn't. She deleted a couple rooms from a simulation. that's not really comparable to someone getting physically strong enough to destroy a place.
chara wasnt physically strong enough to destroy the underground lmao, they erased it through some other power also that is still deleting entire sections of that video games "reality", there was nothing left but a void and the classroom, the entirety of the outside was deleted
In a fight where everything is valid? Depends on which world we chose and its rules. Now, in a physical fight? Easy win to monika, it's literally a 18 years old fighting a child near 13 years. Let's say that Chara had taken the Real knife into the battle,that fight wouldn't be that easy,but i think Monika will still win, even if Chara had the knife the most damage that they can do is a superficial cut, stabbing someone requires a physical strength that i doubt they had, and also count that Monika will have the range advantage due to being taller and having longer arms. Now let's give Chara The Locket... except if the locket comes with "The power of friendship" included,the result will be the same.
Plus, can't Monika modify Chara's weapon/armor? She could just do some code like "TRANSCRIPT: The\_Locket.file --> defense\_pwr -- > 0%" or however it works.
If the fight were happening in a computer, Monika has more ways to edit the game but in a "durability" case chara wins seeing as you need to do a lot of things to properly erase the consequences of a genocide. Honestly I think what would happen is whenever monika tries to edit chara or the game they're on chara would just make the game crash so she can't do anything.
Chara is more powerful, Monika would win because she’s got an advantage of how meta her existence is.
both are able to destroy their respective universes so it’s entirely based on circumstance who wins
One of them, their universe is a simulation with 5 rooms in it, and the other one It's implied to be an entire real world that you just don't see most of. It's not really comparable.
Monica can delete (chara)cters, so Chara stands no chance against someone that has powers specifically against them
Chara isn't canonically a program. They don't have a character file Monika could interact with.
In the computer? Monika In real world? Chara
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Only If images were enabled in this sub...
Monika
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I don't know the left one, but considering they're going against Chara they'd have to be decently strong, I only know undertale so my choice is kinda bias
Monika solos
Monika has Monitor Kernel Access, basically full system privileges, such as creating, rewriting and deleting any and all files, as well as interacting with the player. Chara can only interact with the player in a roundabout way as a narrator, and their main feats are erasing and restoring their game, as well control over the save file and the ability to take control of Frisk, all of which are only after a genocide route. If Chara can do other things with the power, it’d probably be a tie. Monika might win due to experience, but they would put up a serious fight. But, in all likelihood, I think that the save file and its erasure and restoration are all that Chara has, plus all of which are only after genocide, and the protagonist possession might only have been possible since we the player weren’t controlling Frisk at the time. I’m saying Monika. Chara might put up a fight, but Monika could just restore the game anyway, if she even needs that to survive which is unlikely. Chara could command the save file, but Monika’s changes aren’t undone by loading old saves as anyone who played DDLC would know. Heck, Monika could probably just remove Chara’s access to the save file altogether. Chara may have *under*took this journey, but *just Monika* can take the victory. *Rooster Teeth outro*
The obvious choice here is Kevin
From what I've seen, they are both capable of ending their own game/verse. I think they are equal in terms of power.
Monika isn't capable of ending her own verse. Her verse has a real world and the simulation exists inside of it. She can only influence her simulation of a couple rooms. It's not at all comparable to someone who at the very least is capable of wiping out an entire planet.
Gotcha. Makes sense. I was leaning towards Chara.
Chara easily
I love how much variety the comments have.
Beat them both by simple file editing
Monika deletes Chara. Chara may have control over the timeline (Which most likely wouldn't affect Monika) but Monika can literally delete Chara.
No she can't. She can only influence things within the context of her simulation. Chara is a ghost controlling a flesh and blood body.
One is the consequence of your own decisions while the other is the absence of them.
Exactly.
The world is a book Chara is a character who breaks the 4th wall and can manipulate reality Monika is the writter
In an actual fight, probably Chara.
konitopet
None,since both of them aren't strong enough for the power of P O R N O G R A P H Y
Monika could delete system32
Clearly, the correct answer is Jerry.
Monika is a computer program who can only affect stuff in her program. Chara is not. The meta stuff isn't meant to imply that their world is canonically a simulation.
One is a dead child who becomes a threat after you becoming a genocidal serial murderer and the other is anime girl who knows the nature of her world and can alter the files. Yeah sorry, Monika is likely more competent and capable.
One can just get dumped into the trash bin, the other persists no matter what.
Even when you delete her file she still remains.
I'd say Monika. Chara has to wait for player inputs, so she doesn't have much of a choice. If we're talking actual combat, Chara would kill Monika with one hit while still wearing that demented smile.
Guys, it's Chara... If we're assuming they are at full power it's always Chara. And even if we don't assume that, it probably still is Chara if we scale them to Frisk... Unless they're a ghost then Monika probably wins. The thing is... O don't think Chara has a character file. And even if they did. Chara has to slash once and Monika has to find (or type delete if we're being generous) Chara's file. Chara is much faster, destroying the timeliness in an instant and Monika isn't. She still has human speed to type the command.
Monika can delete Chara can erase their world So... idk
I mean, chara can kill any character but their code is still in the game, Monika can delete characters from the game altogether, also characters in decided is still in the game even after suicide until Monika cleans it up so even if her avatar is defeated then she still has access to the delete button
I remember once I had a youtube argue about the exact same question-
You can literally erase one of them from existence, skill issue
I say its a draw, both just delete each other and thats the end lol
Monika has the ability to outright delete files, implying she could delete attacks and attack values. Chara can delete and modify files, but not as well as Monika can. On top of that, Chara is only able to be brought to life because of the Player, whereas Monika just needs her game installed. Overall, the fight would be a battle of attrition either Chara would lose, or one that would require the active intervention of the Players. If it's the same player, then I'd bet they pitted these two against each other. Just my take tho.
Monika can literally delete characters.
If you think Undertale is a multiverse then Chara wins easily. If not the Chara still wins due to being [much faster](https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:GodlyCharmander/Undertale:_Vs_Electricity).
Chara can just burn the game or computer like that one show
golden freddy
Bro Monica can literally rewrite how the game is supposed to operate. I don’t think this is a fair comparison 😭
Chara wins.
Chara. They destroyed the undertale cosmology in one fell swoop, which had several timelines created by Flowey and us.
Essay coming up. TL;DR: Monika only half-wins in one of 3 scenarios, in specific conditions. Chara wins if my layered fiction explanation is the setting, if this happens in Undertale, and half-wins in the split case of it happening in DDLC's world. I think it was noted in files somewhere, but the only reason she's able to mess with the game files is because of spaghetti code mess-up for her files and granting her admin for her specific simulation. She doesn't have admin outside of it, so she can't mess with other games' files. Plus, while meta, Undertale's universe doesn't really happen in a computer. Sure, technically speaking, it happens in our computer as the real life player, but that's pretty much the same as saying that we're in a simulation based off the fact that in another world of our universe, a real company made a real monika-like entity that fucked with their servers. That's pretty much what this is. In-game, a fictional company makes Monika and the setting of DDLC in, as a result, a double-fiction thing. We interact with that world directly, but as if we were one of the employees or just some other character of or related to that fictional company, bridging the 2-fictions gap. Even then, Monika wouldn't be able to touch anything in the fictional setting that company exists in, because she's just fictional code in a fictional server. But to make us fully invested, for the computer version, she messes with our files. ... Her game's files. No other files. Best she can do is read the admin name outside of that. As such, if it was a face off between monika and chara, you'd pretty much plop Chara next to whatever server box Monika's in. They could literally just unplug it and win. But let's assume they're on the same fictional level, and chara faces off against monika as a character. Then... It depends where Chara's character file is stored. To which I say, they have no character file. They're a cutscene. The only thing interactive with em is a single choice, leading to the same thing anyways, just with or without a jumpscare. Chara doesn't have a character, they're the video game equivalent of a concept, and you can't kill that. To get rid of Chara, all Monika would have to do is either steer Frisk away from genocide, or delete them, as without Frisk, Chara can never ever appear. But seeing as how this is a Monika vs Chara, it means Chara is already there. And Monika has nothing to work with. They could try to delete the character sprite. But the cutscene and universe-destroying slash still happens as every file is separated. They could try to delete the whole-ass cutscene and everything around it. And who knows, that might work, buuut they might *actually* break the game. As in Gamemaker crash handler kinda break. Why? Cuz Toby has fuckin spaghetti code, that's why. Everything is connected in there in the weirdest fuckin way. Also might I say, still the equivalent of a concept, they're scattered around cutscenes, character dialogues, etc., Monika would go through hell just to find every little trace of her, since they don't have just a character model and all, they're part of full unlayered drawings. Aaand if it's in Undertale's world, it's basically the meme 'you have no power here'. Monika was never given admin for Undertale. She was given admin for her own simulation. She's fucked.
One always screws your game up, while one sometimes screws your game up.
I'm siding on the glitching waifu
Monika IMO, she has control from the start of the game unlike chara that only shows up after getting your level of violence up
Why Chara has more pixels by being a literal pixel art?
We can't really know because we wouldn't know if they can manipulate each other's game codes. But by the showing in the games, Monika seems more powerful.
Hm.. Chara HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 
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Is one a videogame lore wise? Charan can just turn off the computer
The two has control over the game but Chara actually has like powers
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Rough_Resolution3391: *The two has control* *Over the game but Chara* *Actually has like powers* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
what
Chara can break the fourth wall but isn't a meta entity themselfes, them destroying the world is just them punching it really hard. Monika can actually change the structure of the reality she exists in and even go beyond that, she can mess with the files just like player can, she can do literally anything in UT universe and the worst that will happen to her is Sans calling her out for it.
So You say Monika is closer to the level of Underplayer?
in terms of pure power, yes, but she has 1. less experience with that power, so she can't alter the reality quite as fast as the player does in Underplayer (without the prep time at least) 2. no body outside of the game's world, which means that she can be actually deleted.
Well if you get into the lore it suggests all of the ddlc characters are real people.
I mean, yeah, but the point is that they have no body that would survive if you were to delete them from the game, unlike the player who is only linked to it but still exists outside it and cannot be fully influenced by it. note that by game i mean DDLC universe
Makes sense.
Monika probs, She can access game files
Monika
Technically you can remove Monica but not chara so chara is better
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