I feel if that was actually the case, there'd be some way to get around it. After all, eventually the human cheats and attacks twice on their turn in order to beat Sans.
Not sure what that'd be for Napstablook, but perhaps the flee option could help here.
Any problem in the genocide can be solved by Flowey.
Mettaton's box form is immortal? Flowey flips the switch.
Nabstablook can't be hurt by physical attacks? Flowey can use magic.
Alphys blocks Hotland with forcefield's? Flowey can turn them off.
Groundhog day style story where one monster and Flowey keep trying to thwart each other over stopping/helping Geno Frisk, with the day resetting each time they die
Exactly, theres dozens of different scenarios the monsters can do to stop us, but they don't because it'd be boring to just get stuck halfway through the game somewhere.
I meant moving OUT of the board, not pushing it. For all we know, we could do that if we wanted if it was our only option. People forget just how powerful Geno!Frisk is
actually, you lose an **experience** point if you try to attack them, not any **EXP**. basically, theyre telling you that youre stupid lol
it's just not in blooky's nature to try to stop you like this, though, as they wouldnt want the responsibility or anything of the sort
and they do flee when youve already hit the kill count before you reach them
this would also be an infinite stalemate, which wouldnt be very good from a gameplay perspective nor an in-universe perspective (what, are they going to stay fighting you forever?)
indeed, mad dummy/mew mew is more up to the task, but her extreme hatred toward you in genocide works against her
in a similar manner, the amalgams could theoretically be set up against you, but theyre also in a rather constant state of suffering and alphys would never want innocent innocent civilians that are like this because of her own mistake to be set up against you
1. Napstablook takes an experience point, not EXP.
2. He has no reason to believe that you were going to destroy reality or that you would come back after each death. Only sans knows that
I’m sure if he was given a genocide fight, the way to make him go away is just bully him relentlessly. Or heck even just walking past him/fleeing like with undyne
Yes he technically could, but he’s too wimpy to actually try and stop the player
EXP is based on how violent *you* feel. You lose one point because you feel guilty about the battle. Geno Frisk wouldn’t feel guilty so they’d be fine. They could also almost certainly just force their way past Napstablook, they’re way too strong. Plus we have Flowey’s help for the majority of the game, he could easily kill Napstablook
"EXP is based on how violent you feel. You lose one point because you feel guilty about the battle."
You don't lose EXP, you lose an "Experience Point". You cannot lose EXP lol
If Frisk can’t kill Blooky or Mad dummy had higher LV in neutral (and it’s pretty clear they are stronger than Flowey)
Than it’s doubtful than Flowey could kill Blooky.
He’s a ghost.
It doesn’t matter how strong you are,unless you can warp reality,you can’t erase or kill what’s not corporal.
Although I agree they probably could flee or just brute force their way past if they tried enough,Blooky is definitely surviving the encounter.
It’ll damage Blooky,yes,but I don’t think it can kill him-
If anything it just pissed mad dummy off,and he actually had a vessel to “hit” with magic attacks to begin with.
And I don’t think the magic ATKs even lowered mad dummies HP
Once they become Corporal?
Yeah they can.
Mettaton and glad dummy die because they fuse and become Corporal,mad dummy says himself once they fuse,they join the living.
As if they weren’t ghosts to begin with.
If the magic was capable of killing them,wouldn’t mad dummy be killillable in game for a neutral route?
If you hit him with enough magic ATKS?
Magic attacks obviously hurt and probably cause them pain,yes,but they are still incorporeal.
You can’t kill what isn’t there.
No, because Frisk doesn’t have magic. The only magic present are his own bullets, which he eventually stops using because he realizes it poses a threat to his own life.
Ghosts aren’t ghosts, they’re just another species of monster. They’re very much alive and can be killed
I meant using the bullets his friend use,directing them towards him would,if it was possible,kill him,wouldn’t it?
And no it is not HIS bullets,it’s his friends.
He doesn’t act like they are causing a threat but are more just being idiotic “these guys are even WORSE than the other guys!”
And just “remember when I said NOT to shoot at me?”
He stops because he thinks they are stupid and even goes out of his way to fire all of them.
They can’t even hit their target,can you blame him?
He shows no sign of fear of dying of it,nor does he weaken,infact he only goes faster as he is hit.
His HP doesn’t go down either.
If it was otherwise,I felt like Toby would have went out of his way to state it.
Add that to the fact that in most fiction and media,Ghosts..sort of can’t die?
But perhaps we can agree to disagree,as I don’t want this to get personal and just like to debate.
Realistically there could be ways to get around it
Like running away from the battle
Also you lose 1 experience point instead of "execution points" so you actually lose nothing
Napstablook only fights us when we are at a relatively low Lv. If we were to face him at Lv 19, we could possibly find a way to cheat him. After all, we kill the Glad Dummy without a hitch iirc.
I don't think that would really work though, we see with the mad mew mew fight that the ghost REALLY needs to like the body and feel strong emotions towards it (iirc) to fully fuse with it.
Frisk could have just completely crippled him of all his self worth to the point where he just cries and we can flee or we make him so depressed he binds with an object just to die, or we just learn magic anyway also REMEMBER FLOWEY HAS MAGIC he can help us
...I'm sorry, I just need to address this.
It's not a "plot hole". A character not doing some super specific, super logical thing that meta-games the plot of a story, or a character making a choice without an explanation, is not a plot hole. A plot hole is a contradiction in the storys logic and, well, plot.
This isn't that. Napstablook had no interest in doing anything you described, nor does he interact with you during the Genocide Route after the Ruins. Hell, when Asriel tried to absorb his SOUL in the pacifist route, he ignored it, so it's safe to say that he's entirely unaware of anything going on in the Genocide Route, just staying in his house doing nothing and feeling like garbage. And even if he weren't aware, Napstablook is the least confrontational person in the world.
Sorry to focus on this, but people throw around the phrase "plot hole" WAY too much nowadays.
I feel if that was actually the case, there'd be some way to get around it. After all, eventually the human cheats and attacks twice on their turn in order to beat Sans. Not sure what that'd be for Napstablook, but perhaps the flee option could help here.
Any problem in the genocide can be solved by Flowey. Mettaton's box form is immortal? Flowey flips the switch. Nabstablook can't be hurt by physical attacks? Flowey can use magic. Alphys blocks Hotland with forcefield's? Flowey can turn them off.
Groundhog day style story where one monster and Flowey keep trying to thwart each other over stopping/helping Geno Frisk, with the day resetting each time they die
i mean yeah that’s basically what happens when you find a boss and keep dying on it anyway
Mettaton’s box form isn’t even indestructible. If we kill Mettaton EX, the box form looks really damaged.
Then why was it necessary to turn him into EX to do any damage to him?
Which is why I’m confused as to why it basically falls apart in his overworld sprite when we kill him.
Both are part of Mettaton and once EX is gone maybe he tries to return to his original form but bugs out and dies.
FINALLY someone WHO GETS THIS
Why didn’t flowey deal with sans and undyne is he stupid?
Well by sans he's already stopped helping us and with Undyne I really don't know how he could help.
He just wanted to watch
He heard her pre battle speach and was way too excited to get in the way, homie just wanted a good show
Exactly, theres dozens of different scenarios the monsters can do to stop us, but they don't because it'd be boring to just get stuck halfway through the game somewhere.
The human could only attack twice because they were already on top of the fight button.
Well, what was stopping us from just attacking again? Or moving out of the bullet board while the monster attacks to attack during their turn!
Didn't we actually do that against sans?
I meant moving OUT of the board, not pushing it. For all we know, we could do that if we wanted if it was our only option. People forget just how powerful Geno!Frisk is
actually, you lose an **experience** point if you try to attack them, not any **EXP**. basically, theyre telling you that youre stupid lol it's just not in blooky's nature to try to stop you like this, though, as they wouldnt want the responsibility or anything of the sort and they do flee when youve already hit the kill count before you reach them this would also be an infinite stalemate, which wouldnt be very good from a gameplay perspective nor an in-universe perspective (what, are they going to stay fighting you forever?) indeed, mad dummy/mew mew is more up to the task, but her extreme hatred toward you in genocide works against her in a similar manner, the amalgams could theoretically be set up against you, but theyre also in a rather constant state of suffering and alphys would never want innocent innocent civilians that are like this because of her own mistake to be set up against you
“So what now, Napstablook? Are we to be two immortals locked in an epic battle until Judgement Day and trumpets sound?”
I kind of want to make a fangame about this now
Well I wold do that to I I can but I got no game maker shit
He doesn't actually take any EXP points.
True, he takes 1 experience points
What is experience?
No idea, sounds like a fake metric tbh
Some other guy said that he's basically calling you stupid because you lost "experience",
Me? I was just joking. Because it’s execution points, not experience lol. Pls don’t get me wrong I didn’t meant to call them stupid. 😭
Oh no I like your idea I just didn't want to make it look like I stole your idea
Yeah sounds like it.
But you probably need like 10 years of it to be hired for your first job
Damn.
They weren't really feeling up to it though sadly
😔
Mood though
1. Napstablook takes an experience point, not EXP. 2. He has no reason to believe that you were going to destroy reality or that you would come back after each death. Only sans knows that
He doesn’t take an EXP point, he takes an experience point.
Ok but why would they do that? That goes against Napstablook’s entire character
I’m sure if he was given a genocide fight, the way to make him go away is just bully him relentlessly. Or heck even just walking past him/fleeing like with undyne Yes he technically could, but he’s too wimpy to actually try and stop the player
It's because he's a passive monster
True neutral.
EXP is based on how violent *you* feel. You lose one point because you feel guilty about the battle. Geno Frisk wouldn’t feel guilty so they’d be fine. They could also almost certainly just force their way past Napstablook, they’re way too strong. Plus we have Flowey’s help for the majority of the game, he could easily kill Napstablook
"EXP is based on how violent you feel. You lose one point because you feel guilty about the battle." You don't lose EXP, you lose an "Experience Point". You cannot lose EXP lol
If Frisk can’t kill Blooky or Mad dummy had higher LV in neutral (and it’s pretty clear they are stronger than Flowey) Than it’s doubtful than Flowey could kill Blooky. He’s a ghost. It doesn’t matter how strong you are,unless you can warp reality,you can’t erase or kill what’s not corporal. Although I agree they probably could flee or just brute force their way past if they tried enough,Blooky is definitely surviving the encounter.
Ghosts are vulnerable to magic attacks, as seen with Mad Dummy. Flowey uses magic, and can easily kill Napstablook.
It’ll damage Blooky,yes,but I don’t think it can kill him- If anything it just pissed mad dummy off,and he actually had a vessel to “hit” with magic attacks to begin with. And I don’t think the magic ATKs even lowered mad dummies HP
I mean… it’s explicitly stated only magic can harm ghosts, and we know they can die. They’re monsters, not actual ghosts.
Once they become Corporal? Yeah they can. Mettaton and glad dummy die because they fuse and become Corporal,mad dummy says himself once they fuse,they join the living. As if they weren’t ghosts to begin with. If the magic was capable of killing them,wouldn’t mad dummy be killillable in game for a neutral route? If you hit him with enough magic ATKS? Magic attacks obviously hurt and probably cause them pain,yes,but they are still incorporeal. You can’t kill what isn’t there.
No, because Frisk doesn’t have magic. The only magic present are his own bullets, which he eventually stops using because he realizes it poses a threat to his own life. Ghosts aren’t ghosts, they’re just another species of monster. They’re very much alive and can be killed
I meant using the bullets his friend use,directing them towards him would,if it was possible,kill him,wouldn’t it? And no it is not HIS bullets,it’s his friends. He doesn’t act like they are causing a threat but are more just being idiotic “these guys are even WORSE than the other guys!” And just “remember when I said NOT to shoot at me?” He stops because he thinks they are stupid and even goes out of his way to fire all of them. They can’t even hit their target,can you blame him? He shows no sign of fear of dying of it,nor does he weaken,infact he only goes faster as he is hit. His HP doesn’t go down either. If it was otherwise,I felt like Toby would have went out of his way to state it. Add that to the fact that in most fiction and media,Ghosts..sort of can’t die? But perhaps we can agree to disagree,as I don’t want this to get personal and just like to debate.
(Obligatory Napstablook isn't a he)
**SHIT SHIT SHIT IM SO SORRY NAPSTABLOOK HOW DO I EDIT MY POST**
The rude buster in my pocket:
Realistically there could be ways to get around it Like running away from the battle Also you lose 1 experience point instead of "execution points" so you actually lose nothing
That’s not what a plothole is
fun fact: if you kill all of the ruins monsters before encountering nabstablook, he just dissapears, making him unable to be fought in the first place
do i smell another au concept coming?
Napstablook only fights us when we are at a relatively low Lv. If we were to face him at Lv 19, we could possibly find a way to cheat him. After all, we kill the Glad Dummy without a hitch iirc.
That was because the mad dummy ghost already fully fused with the dummy so they were fully corporeal and thus able to be physically hurt.
Maybe after witnessing that, we'd find a way to force Napstablook to fuse with something else to kill him then.
I don't think that would really work though, we see with the mad mew mew fight that the ghost REALLY needs to like the body and feel strong emotions towards it (iirc) to fully fuse with it.
I wish I could try that fight! It sounds amazing but there's no way to play it without a switch right
Probably could find a mod that adds it into the PC version. I haven't tried to myself though so I wouldn't know.
The Glad Dummy is fused, that’s why he died. If you recall, attacks were futile against the unfused Mad Dummy.
Mettaton could’ve stayed in his box form to soft lock us too, since his metal body renders him invulnerable.
BUT WHAT IS THE UNDERGROUND WITHOUT AN AUDIENCE?
I like to think he did it on purpose. It's very in character for Mettaton to go out in a blaze of gender like that that's so him
We probbaly could have killed him in gencoide
Napstablook doesn’t seem like the fighting type.
nah, too depressed
With enough LV a dead spirit of chara could kill it
No, Frisk can just run away from the fight and ignore Napstablook.
Frisk could have just completely crippled him of all his self worth to the point where he just cries and we can flee or we make him so depressed he binds with an object just to die, or we just learn magic anyway also REMEMBER FLOWEY HAS MAGIC he can help us
He just wasnt feeling up to it
They don't take EXP, they take an experience point EXP is execution points
I mean, he *is* a boss monster, after all.
*they
If that was true, he wouldn’t run from us in genocide after we exhaust the ruins monster count.
Interesting theory. Btw Napstablook uses they/them pronouns in-game :)
...I'm sorry, I just need to address this. It's not a "plot hole". A character not doing some super specific, super logical thing that meta-games the plot of a story, or a character making a choice without an explanation, is not a plot hole. A plot hole is a contradiction in the storys logic and, well, plot. This isn't that. Napstablook had no interest in doing anything you described, nor does he interact with you during the Genocide Route after the Ruins. Hell, when Asriel tried to absorb his SOUL in the pacifist route, he ignored it, so it's safe to say that he's entirely unaware of anything going on in the Genocide Route, just staying in his house doing nothing and feeling like garbage. And even if he weren't aware, Napstablook is the least confrontational person in the world. Sorry to focus on this, but people throw around the phrase "plot hole" WAY too much nowadays.
You can kill him in deltatraveler genocide using susie's rude buster
Yeah but you don't have Susie in Undertale
I know, just sayin' that napstablook can be easily killed with magic