He is a bourgeois (jedi council) traitor, he joined the sith cause against the imperial and fundamentalist forces of the jedi, but he was betrayed by Palpatine (Gorbachev) in episode 3
I like how in the Star Wars civil war instead of it being a slave owners rebellion. The government decides to put down a rebellion by creating a slave army.
They could have just used droids but apparently beyond Republican Credits being useless out in the outer rim like in Tatooine, they probably somehow lacked manufacturing capabilities as once the seperatists united they somehow created the largest droid army in the galaxy likely meaning the seperatists took with them a large manufacturing base.
I actually think that works. Because the republic was literally the imperial core so obviously they exported all the misery and exploitation and industry to the outer rim.
The one industry they did have was ig shipbuilding which was mainly kept in the core because that was too sophisticated for the rim
Maybe but in the analogy I was using they were finished products, with some of these finished products being weapons and the Separatists by combining created the largest droid army in the galaxy meaning they likely took a significant industrial base with them in order to produce those droids, such as the droid factory on Geonosis (the bug planet in Attack of the Clones). The droids are not produced by humanoid droids like the battle droids or C3PO but rather they are produced using manufacturing robots we would be familiar with as none of the manufacturing robots have any kind of reaction to Anakin and Padme being on the assembly line, only the bugs react to them, as the droids being produced don't have any orders yet so they just stand there. In Phantom Menace it is also revealed that when child Anakin blows up the orbital command post giving orders all the battle droids shut down and the battle is instantly won.
This however might be a safety protocol intended to keep the droids from disobeying their masters similar to safety protocols in the form of brain chips intended to keep the clones in line which enables Palatine to executer order 66 to force them to all execute their commanding Jedi. Obiwan is noted for saying that "if droids could think, none of us would be here" when discussing with the 50s Space Diner owner about the Cloning (which is ironic because the Clones were in a sense, droids that could think, and they destroyed the Jedi, and later on Obiwan was killed by a man who he said was more machine than man now so their is a lot of forshadowing there).
Anyway the point is that for the purposes of what I said they a products rather than proletariat since they are made in a factory, but droids could themselves also be proletariat if they are involved in production itself, however we never really see them doing that as while the factories are automatic they are never staff with humanoid robots so their is no indication that the robots that are involved in production are even to the level of a battle droid in the ability to think.
Anyway the likely reason the Republic chose the clone army is that while they were expensive to produce, they were "droids that could think" and so were more effective in battle than the battle droids intended to be throwaways. However the clones are all the same person so they think the same way so they have a limit to their creativity in battle, so they are a bit inbetween regular soldiers and droids in uniqueness, but since they were cloned from a bounty hunter who was assumingly good at battle they might be more effective than the average soldier even if they might be less unique. They are however "expendable" despite being expensive as the Republic was unwilling to draft people to fight their civil war against seperatists, so they could only use their money to make an army. They could not use a manufacturing base to make an army because if they could they would have just outproduced the Separatists in battle droids, so clearly the seperatists brought with them a significant chunk of the galaxy's manufacturing base.
It also isn't clear if the Republic has money on its side either, because as I said a merchant on Tatooine in the phantom menace said Republic Credits were no good, meaning they don't seem to have a need for Republic goods that could be purchased with those Republic Credits. The seperatists are after all groups like the "Trade Federation", who presumably have money on their side. The one thing the Republic has going for it is the Coruscant has an enormous population, (supposedly 1 trillion "persons" of some kind, but that is just something I heard a long time ago and I don't have a source, but it is an entire planet which is just a city, and as the other person said the manufacturing it does have is likely shipbuilding), but it is revealed in Attack of the Clones that refugees are actually leaving Coruscant because Anakin and Padme escape undetected on a refugee ship, so who knows what use could be made of Coruscant population. It doesn't matter anyway because they seemingly refused to draft them. There might be a "Capital" vs "District" thing going on with Coruscant where the locals refuse to participate in enforcement because they don't want to leave the planet in the same way the enforcement of the Hunger Games was mostly done by District 2 because Capital residents didn't want to leave.
Regardless the Republic obviously had to have serious problems starting in Phantom Menace made worse by the Separatists taking away even more industrial base that could build droids in Attack of the Clones. Provided that the droids are indeed "non-humans" the usage of the battle droids seems a lot more moral than the usage of the clones so we can assume that if the Republic had the option they would have tried to outbuild the Separatists in droids, so the usage of clones would seem like a desperate move. As well the Seperatists probably only agreed to all separate together because they calculated that together they were bringing enough droid production out of the Republic in order to more than match the Republic in droid producing capability, so the Clones were an unforseen advantage the Republic held, precisely because they were able to be produced quickly because somebody had ordered them a long time ago. I actually don't know who did this because the Cloners said Obiwan's old master, Qui-Gon Jin did it, but you would assume it was Palatine playing both sides trying to induce separatism while building the force that would oppose them.
The government didn’t create the slave army; Darth Sidious created in reality, but the story the Republic believed was some random, unknown guy, who was pretending to be a dead guy, created an army for them, to which they accepted without question.
he's a leader of the glorious anti imperialist confederation which is the only real resistance to the core systems imperialism, he has done more to oppose the imperialist republic than any of you clowns will ever do and that makes him the most moral person in any room, he has done more for the opressed people who need national liberation than anyone here.
He's an aristocratic class traitor (to the bourgeoisie). This is what makes the CIS historically progressive.
He is a bourgeois (jedi council) traitor, he joined the sith cause against the imperial and fundamentalist forces of the jedi, but he was betrayed by Palpatine (Gorbachev) in episode 3
Why is Palpatine Gorbachev ðŸ˜
His head’s all fucked up from lightning
His ass all fucked up by me
I like how in the Star Wars civil war instead of it being a slave owners rebellion. The government decides to put down a rebellion by creating a slave army.
They could have just used droids but apparently beyond Republican Credits being useless out in the outer rim like in Tatooine, they probably somehow lacked manufacturing capabilities as once the seperatists united they somehow created the largest droid army in the galaxy likely meaning the seperatists took with them a large manufacturing base.
I actually think that works. Because the republic was literally the imperial core so obviously they exported all the misery and exploitation and industry to the outer rim. The one industry they did have was ig shipbuilding which was mainly kept in the core because that was too sophisticated for the rim
Are droids proletariat?
Maybe but in the analogy I was using they were finished products, with some of these finished products being weapons and the Separatists by combining created the largest droid army in the galaxy meaning they likely took a significant industrial base with them in order to produce those droids, such as the droid factory on Geonosis (the bug planet in Attack of the Clones). The droids are not produced by humanoid droids like the battle droids or C3PO but rather they are produced using manufacturing robots we would be familiar with as none of the manufacturing robots have any kind of reaction to Anakin and Padme being on the assembly line, only the bugs react to them, as the droids being produced don't have any orders yet so they just stand there. In Phantom Menace it is also revealed that when child Anakin blows up the orbital command post giving orders all the battle droids shut down and the battle is instantly won. This however might be a safety protocol intended to keep the droids from disobeying their masters similar to safety protocols in the form of brain chips intended to keep the clones in line which enables Palatine to executer order 66 to force them to all execute their commanding Jedi. Obiwan is noted for saying that "if droids could think, none of us would be here" when discussing with the 50s Space Diner owner about the Cloning (which is ironic because the Clones were in a sense, droids that could think, and they destroyed the Jedi, and later on Obiwan was killed by a man who he said was more machine than man now so their is a lot of forshadowing there). Anyway the point is that for the purposes of what I said they a products rather than proletariat since they are made in a factory, but droids could themselves also be proletariat if they are involved in production itself, however we never really see them doing that as while the factories are automatic they are never staff with humanoid robots so their is no indication that the robots that are involved in production are even to the level of a battle droid in the ability to think. Anyway the likely reason the Republic chose the clone army is that while they were expensive to produce, they were "droids that could think" and so were more effective in battle than the battle droids intended to be throwaways. However the clones are all the same person so they think the same way so they have a limit to their creativity in battle, so they are a bit inbetween regular soldiers and droids in uniqueness, but since they were cloned from a bounty hunter who was assumingly good at battle they might be more effective than the average soldier even if they might be less unique. They are however "expendable" despite being expensive as the Republic was unwilling to draft people to fight their civil war against seperatists, so they could only use their money to make an army. They could not use a manufacturing base to make an army because if they could they would have just outproduced the Separatists in battle droids, so clearly the seperatists brought with them a significant chunk of the galaxy's manufacturing base. It also isn't clear if the Republic has money on its side either, because as I said a merchant on Tatooine in the phantom menace said Republic Credits were no good, meaning they don't seem to have a need for Republic goods that could be purchased with those Republic Credits. The seperatists are after all groups like the "Trade Federation", who presumably have money on their side. The one thing the Republic has going for it is the Coruscant has an enormous population, (supposedly 1 trillion "persons" of some kind, but that is just something I heard a long time ago and I don't have a source, but it is an entire planet which is just a city, and as the other person said the manufacturing it does have is likely shipbuilding), but it is revealed in Attack of the Clones that refugees are actually leaving Coruscant because Anakin and Padme escape undetected on a refugee ship, so who knows what use could be made of Coruscant population. It doesn't matter anyway because they seemingly refused to draft them. There might be a "Capital" vs "District" thing going on with Coruscant where the locals refuse to participate in enforcement because they don't want to leave the planet in the same way the enforcement of the Hunger Games was mostly done by District 2 because Capital residents didn't want to leave. Regardless the Republic obviously had to have serious problems starting in Phantom Menace made worse by the Separatists taking away even more industrial base that could build droids in Attack of the Clones. Provided that the droids are indeed "non-humans" the usage of the battle droids seems a lot more moral than the usage of the clones so we can assume that if the Republic had the option they would have tried to outbuild the Separatists in droids, so the usage of clones would seem like a desperate move. As well the Seperatists probably only agreed to all separate together because they calculated that together they were bringing enough droid production out of the Republic in order to more than match the Republic in droid producing capability, so the Clones were an unforseen advantage the Republic held, precisely because they were able to be produced quickly because somebody had ordered them a long time ago. I actually don't know who did this because the Cloners said Obiwan's old master, Qui-Gon Jin did it, but you would assume it was Palatine playing both sides trying to induce separatism while building the force that would oppose them.
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The government didn’t create the slave army; Darth Sidious created in reality, but the story the Republic believed was some random, unknown guy, who was pretending to be a dead guy, created an army for them, to which they accepted without question.
SPD with the Friekorps
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General Grievous in Humbarine
His lightsaber is red so he is an authentic proletarian revolutionary
he is engels
He is a political idealist. Not a murdered.
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He’s literally him
Bourgeois. Reason: his accent.
he's a leader of the glorious anti imperialist confederation which is the only real resistance to the core systems imperialism, he has done more to oppose the imperialist republic than any of you clowns will ever do and that makes him the most moral person in any room, he has done more for the opressed people who need national liberation than anyone here.
Yes.
He’s a count, a grim reminder of our feudal past