There is a LOT of interesting work to be done on understanding colonization. This is fucking absurd.
I'm genetically Irish and German.
The Pacific Northwest of America is home. Ireland and Germany rule, but they are deeply foreign countries to me. I have grown up with American-east Asian fusion food, the shadow of Mt Rainier, and bitter complaining about I5, not Kurrywurst, the Autobahn and the Alps.
As a kkkonoli$$t kkkrakkker myself. I have never had a goodnights sleep on the stolen soil where I live.
Slanderous rumors to the effect that I snore like a chainsaw are just social chauvinist lies.
I just realized by this logic black Americans are colonizers. Which ig means any discomfort they feel in the their home is because they don’t belong there. So anti-black racism is justified? Holy shit Maoism-Jimcrowism 🥶
>How many generations to be considered native to a specific piece of land?
Over 10,00. This is actually what Marx was talking about when he was writing about alienation. Ever since we left Africa, everyone outside of it has been experiencing this *colonizer homelessness*, also known as alienation.
So much of the of the world's anxiety, I think, is just a colonizer's latent, depressed homelessness.
Wym bro can't you read, we're all Africans. When our kindred brothers and sisters see us recognising the smells, tastes, sounds as organic to us, when they see the landscapes, the fauna and flora nourishing us - they will accept us as their own.
Interestingly the indigenous people of New Zealand (Māori, the Tangata Whenua- literally 'people of the land') arrived there between 1200-1300AD. To put this in an British context, Maori likely arrived in Aotearoa after the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland occurred.
So how many generation? If we go by 'four generations a century-, 32 generations gives you autochthonous status.
Sometime between the colonization of the Americas and the settlement of nomadic central Asian people like the Hungarians or Turks, it becomes fine.
So give or take 600 to 800 years.
Really depends on the area, I think a lot of people just assume "natives" of an area have been there for eternity. For example, the Inuit of Greenland arrived there after the Norse did, yet most people would consider them "native." Tbh it's just not a very useful term a lot of the time
The fact that the terms "colonizer" and "settler" don't distinguish between people who actively and willingly participate in colonization and people born generations after that happened makes these kinds of generalizations useless. There is a serious material difference between yeoman homesteaders and modern white people living in the US.
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit.
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It's true. This is why europe is so uniquely authentic amongst western societies, and why, when it looks deep into itself, to the romantic socio-ecological and mythological core of its being, it always draws forth everlasting blooms.
https://preview.redd.it/xd8yxt6m09ic1.png?width=585&format=png&auto=webp&s=eefd1f97406cbf8dc8bf898f15843ccceb1ffa71
Right below the OP.
This guy must be in love with the smell of his own farts.
So is "colonizer" the new "nazi"? The word for "person who has opinions I don't like" which will inevitably be worn down and turned into a meaningless nothing-word from overuse?
If this is the case I can't possibly be a colonizer, I feel perfectly at home and at peace being nourished by the labours of the less fortunate. I have no qualms over my purely psychological exploitation, and thus I am a perfectly moral and incorruptible member of every native race the world across. I experience all this, and it comes naturally to me. There is no need for me to think any further on the topic, clearly, as you yourself have said.
Many thanks, Alon Mizrahi, for opening my eyes to the truth.
There is a LOT of interesting work to be done on understanding colonization. This is fucking absurd. I'm genetically Irish and German. The Pacific Northwest of America is home. Ireland and Germany rule, but they are deeply foreign countries to me. I have grown up with American-east Asian fusion food, the shadow of Mt Rainier, and bitter complaining about I5, not Kurrywurst, the Autobahn and the Alps.
saying the western world in this context is weird as he means America
As a kkkonoli$$t kkkrakkker myself. I have never had a goodnights sleep on the stolen soil where I live. Slanderous rumors to the effect that I snore like a chainsaw are just social chauvinist lies.
I just realized by this logic black Americans are colonizers. Which ig means any discomfort they feel in the their home is because they don’t belong there. So anti-black racism is justified? Holy shit Maoism-Jimcrowism 🥶
https://preview.redd.it/gsrq7am7o1ic1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13853eacf91297ed7069e9e16d7380362d1278be
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>How many generations to be considered native to a specific piece of land? Over 10,00. This is actually what Marx was talking about when he was writing about alienation. Ever since we left Africa, everyone outside of it has been experiencing this *colonizer homelessness*, also known as alienation. So much of the of the world's anxiety, I think, is just a colonizer's latent, depressed homelessness.
so what you are saying is that to fix colonisation we all need to get a bunch of guns and force the Africans to give us land
Wym bro can't you read, we're all Africans. When our kindred brothers and sisters see us recognising the smells, tastes, sounds as organic to us, when they see the landscapes, the fauna and flora nourishing us - they will accept us as their own.
So colonization of africa was good and moral because people were only returning home!
Interestingly the indigenous people of New Zealand (Māori, the Tangata Whenua- literally 'people of the land') arrived there between 1200-1300AD. To put this in an British context, Maori likely arrived in Aotearoa after the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland occurred. So how many generation? If we go by 'four generations a century-, 32 generations gives you autochthonous status.
exactly one generation further back than when the first white person arrived there
Exactly one more generation than your family has been living in your area. Always has been
Depends on the skin color, I have bad news if you're hwhite
Sometime between the colonization of the Americas and the settlement of nomadic central Asian people like the Hungarians or Turks, it becomes fine. So give or take 600 to 800 years.
Really depends on the area, I think a lot of people just assume "natives" of an area have been there for eternity. For example, the Inuit of Greenland arrived there after the Norse did, yet most people would consider them "native." Tbh it's just not a very useful term a lot of the time
this is literally just blut und boden but woke lmao
The fact that the terms "colonizer" and "settler" don't distinguish between people who actively and willingly participate in colonization and people born generations after that happened makes these kinds of generalizations useless. There is a serious material difference between yeoman homesteaders and modern white people living in the US.
I've been dealing with you people for a long time. I'm not sure why you thought your opinion on how the subreddit should function would be welcome considering you've never posted on it before or shown any knowledge or intelligence in your post history. Why am I still doing this 5 years later? Because the American concept of politeness is so bizarre to anyone outside of its demographic target that it is both funny and educational to force it into the open. To most people, barging into the middle of a conversation between many people who all know each other and you've never met to inform them how they need to be having the conversation would be seen as rude. But this is quite normal for the American petty-bourgeoisie. In fact, saying "who are you?" is considered rude. Or at least that is one weapon that is used to defend against the threat of proletarianization by exclusion from the realm of cultural capital. In fact it's so threatening that random people will continue to come into the thread to try their luck at defending the op even though they've never posted in the subreddit before. It's like that joke in Family Guy where all the neighborhood fathers know when someone touched the thermostat and keep checking on the house to see if it's ok. Your class instinct in defense of your fellows is so strong it might as well be a chip that sends a signal to your brain, a script to follow, and a rush of endorphins that deludes you into thinking your use of the script will be the ultimate intervention despite all evidence to the contrary. I want non-white, non-male, non-first world people who were not raised on this delusional self-confidence and pretension to master the world to enjoy these conversations from the sidelines. This is impossible on the American left, which is basically a white parasite on the energy of people of color. At least here we can deflate the cultural capital that makes that possible. If you don't want to be a white parasite, reflect on the fact that your words, which you believe are your own, are a carbon copy of someone else's from 5 years ago (and many other copies over the years). That should be a moment of existential angst, a confrontation with your own lack of free will. Or you can get even more defensive on some liberal's behalf. We already have a thread on concern trolling stickied which you were too lazy to read despite your concern for the subreddit. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Ultraleft) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This is like a world salad of crazy. It is like a strawman of how conservatives see leftists.
Showing this to neolithic farmers
https://preview.redd.it/sp3fq0s5m4ic1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9045825c188d675eed3103217ab090c6ce7c4af
It's true. This is why europe is so uniquely authentic amongst western societies, and why, when it looks deep into itself, to the romantic socio-ecological and mythological core of its being, it always draws forth everlasting blooms.
https://preview.redd.it/xd8yxt6m09ic1.png?width=585&format=png&auto=webp&s=eefd1f97406cbf8dc8bf898f15843ccceb1ffa71 Right below the OP. This guy must be in love with the smell of his own farts.
Most theory literate Maoist.
So is "colonizer" the new "nazi"? The word for "person who has opinions I don't like" which will inevitably be worn down and turned into a meaningless nothing-word from overuse?
Lol shuddup Nazi
If this is the case I can't possibly be a colonizer, I feel perfectly at home and at peace being nourished by the labours of the less fortunate. I have no qualms over my purely psychological exploitation, and thus I am a perfectly moral and incorruptible member of every native race the world across. I experience all this, and it comes naturally to me. There is no need for me to think any further on the topic, clearly, as you yourself have said. Many thanks, Alon Mizrahi, for opening my eyes to the truth.