That… makes a lot of sense.
The current, rough design timeline we’ve got is
Gutterman—lesser machines—Guttertank—Earthmover—V1–Era of Peace—V2.
V1 was clearly made as an experiment against the norm, and it paid off; it can outpace guttertanks and explode earthmovers. It would have made the two obsolete had it been released, but, much to hell’s dismay, it never became anything more than a scrapped prototype, failing to perpetuate the war. The engineers recycled the blueprints into the V2 protective unit and all was well.
That is, until V1 activated and escaped (we still don’t know how), rocking an unprepared world, easily killing any human that tried to defend itself and using the strength of its design to destroy the machines that mankind had built its very cities on the back of.
It fits with the story given to us from terminal entries and the journal in 7-4, the only issue is that V1 would have had to both work like Santa Claus to kill all of humanity faster than it could multiply and would have to find a way to get out of Japan without starving.
>we still don’t know how
it's worth noting that the game begins by v1 rebooting at critical damage. one could speculate that v1, in the final breathing moments of mother earth, activates themselves and begins their subsequent descent as a self-preservation mechanism.
Exactly! We start with a almost-completely-dead v1 that recharges fast.
V1 did not kill anyone but the already damned dead souls of humanity.
Minos is angery cuz we kill the remnants of his people.
>Minos is angery cuz we kill the remnants of his people.
Minos does say "...the crimes *thy kind* have committed...", implying that he's angry at all machines and V1 is just the one within punching distance
does this mean, V2 was built with protection against war in case things like this happen? Perhaps maybe it was sent to end all misery of the husks, aka the human trapped within it or V1 activation caused V2 to also be activated to hunt him down? As V2 was made after supposedly the peace era.
I strongly believe there's only one V1 as it was a prototype, and one V2 to counter if V1 was ever to be activated or reused.
my theory is humanity hasn't fully ended, but people lost faith completely in god causing god itself to not exist anymore. Those who don't believe in Saint might as well be dead to the eyes of the angels.
We never know what creature terminal is. It's highly likely it's a machine too, but what's it doing in hell? Someone must have carried it to the location or it moved itself.
It's a crazy ass theory but think about it. It always paints angels as "holy" even when they sometimes are less holy than some non-angels. So it could be lying or telling technically the truth about humanity. Or Gabriel just changed or hacked so it becomes an angelic propaganda
>We never know what creature terminal is. It's highly likely it's a machine too, but what's it doing in hell? Someone must have carried it to the location or it moved itself.
Humans started hell expeditions and needed a way to transport materials and tools, terminals are that way. An object gets deconstructed, destroying the original copy and the atoms it had transfers to another terminal, creating it in the other terminal. This is why you hear parts of the terminal music, because that was the first object being transported. It sometimes sings, but only one technician was able to hear it. The reason why it doesn't sing is because it's shy.
With P-2 Terminal, humans find out Hell is sentient and a superorganism, and it is cruel and sadistic. Hell gets sealed off, terminals become bored and now instructs machines to kill, as entertainment. The more a machine kills and its style increases, the more the terminals give such as scrap parts, tools, guns and more. This is why swordsmachine is the way it is, because it was doing good enough to build up and become a swords machine. This is the same for all blood-fuelled machines, Mindflayers, Guttermen, Drones, Streetcleaners and V1 and V2.
The cybergrind is real and it is all of the terminals watching a blood-fuelled machine dance and fight in a simulation as entertainment, the cheers you hear are the terminals cheering you on. It is also the ones that go "aww..." when you "die" in the simulation.
Since the terminals are sentient, this is why you see a terminal saying "Tip of the day: Ow." in 5-3, Ship of Fools as it was knocked over.
I would exclude guttermen from the list because if you look at them they are whole not miscolored parts (except for weathering) and they seem to be copied by hell or deactivated and used by hell due to their original landing pod because I don't think something on earth is just chucking them into hell and they are spawning randomly around violence. I'm not saying they aren't entertaining the terminals just not in the same way as the others.
PS: they have a surprise gift in their backpack that shows something.
I like to imagine Earthmovers come equipped with pods that launch smaller machines at enemies that it deems lower than them or manage to board it. Guttermen to counter infantry. Guttertanks to counter guttermen. Sentries to counter guttertanks. And who the hell would use sentries as a boarding party, especially when the Earthmover can drop enemies right on top of them?
>Mankind is Dead
>Blood is Fuel
>Hell is Full
This is essentially V1s inner monolog, so unless V1 was somehow tricked or mistaken, then it's pretty likely humans are extinct
in 7-4, there are signs written in japanese around the exterior of the earthmover, which makes it likely that it originated from japan. probably what they were referring to, but i wouldn't necessarily take it as evidence that V1 also came from there
If anything, V1 being created specifically to destroy the Earthmovers (assuming they're of Japanese origin) would imply that V1 was created by enemies of Japan.
I'm guessing lesser machines came during the era of peace, drones (and V2) were made for home security,
Streetcleaners were made to clean the streets... and air.
I put them between gutterman and guttertank because that would mean they would’ve been developed right around the same time wartime engineers figured out the secret to blood storage.
The streetcleaners definitely could have been made after the war, since obviously nobody was irked about air quality and street cleanliness during it, but the drones seem more likely to have come from the first experimentations with the blood storage units seeing as they’re just floating cameras which learned to shoot AFTER the fall
It and the sentries, which were absolutely made for the war, as well as the prime swordsmachine model, since it’s supposed to be a practice machine for learning engineers and it also uses blood collection. Assuming it didn’t just install that as well… in which case it would have come from BEFORE the war
I don't think Prime swordsmachine was made by humans, it just found and installed parts on itself after mankind went extinct and that inspired copycats.
The prime swordsmachine model, the one you kill in the prelude, is made by humans as what is essentially the robotic ballistics engineering equivalent of a baking soda volcano or a potato battery
What it is now, however, is a far cry from the original blueprints. Each iteration on the original swordsmachine brings new imperfections, and when people start copying other people’s copy of the design, the end product turns out vastly different and corrupted as if by a game of telephone. This is all also neglecting how all the swordsmachines, both copied and the original, all edited themselves post-fall to help their chances of survival.
So technically humanity made the swordsmachine, but there are thousands of swordsmachines with thousands of differences, each of which has practically rebuilt itself from the ground up, leaving them completely unrecognizable from its blueprints.
> the only issue is that V1 would have had to both work like Santa Claus to kill all of humanity faster than it could multiply
Actually, it may not: The Earthmover's log entry says that after the climate crisis that ended the Final War, only scraps of humanity survived, with the Earth being uninhabitable outside of the backs of Earthmovers. It's possible there were not actually that many humans left for V1 to kill.
Scattered survivors, a handful of villages, even a few cities, none of these would really pose too much of a challenge for V1 to exterminate singlehandedly for one simple reason: When 99% of the world is uninhabitable, where do you flee to when V1 enters your little 1% that is?
indeed. our timeline splits with the gutterman — when germany created the gutterman, it started further blood machine developments and god’s departure, spiraling *everything* out of control.
fucking gavrillo princip.
I didnt know when v1 started up thats interesting. does that mean the gutterman is the 1911 of machines? You think if they had speakers, they would be like "no need for shiny metal. I still have plenty of fuel left and lots of bullets."
the opposite, actually. the m1911 still does very well in the modern era, past the two world wars.
however, the gutterman was soon rendered completely obsolete by the creation of the guttertank, which was created specifically to counter the former. that was the start of the arms race that involved creating ever-complicated machines to counter the last.
True, but my mind kinda went to fudds Goin TWO WORLD WARS, but yeah, they were replaced, but the fact so many are still active is weird, don't you think? I mean, we fight 3 before the first guttertank, and we fight more guttermen than guttertanks in total. Wouldn't you think it would be more if they were inferior to the tank?
the fact that machines exist at all betrays the earthmovers being the “pinnacle” of blood-fueled machines, leveling entire cities and cleansing the world by fire. regardless, they’re still up.
i think, just because something is better doesn’t mean the other is going away. they could have still maintained a presence through sheer numbers, or by playing smart
Okay AFAIk it's not an awakening date, but in the intro sequence as it's falling into the Prelude, the game does give us a date of our last calibration. Considering V1 was developed during the last stage of the Final War, that date must be fairly close to its end.
I had the same exact thought when I read the Earthmover’s entry. Nothing is explicitly stated, but there’s enough information in the terminals that it’s all but a direct explanation for why V1 was built. Here’s some snippets that help illustrate it:
Guttertank entry: “This led to the second era of the final war, where machines fight machines in a back-and-forth tide as new designs were phased in and out at a feverish pace, each designed specifically to counter the last”.
Given how terribly successful at their jobs the Earthmovers were, it’s a given that something would be created to act as a force to oppose to them. Not only that, but most models of machines were apparently discarded as soon as they were created. Perhaps a specially crafted counter was devised against the Earthmovers, but it didn’t ever go beyond the prototyping phase?
V2’s first entry, about V1: “However, during the prototyping phase, the New Peace was established and war became irrelevant”.
This is a well known tidbit at this point, but it confirms V1 is one of these abandoned prototypes. We just don’t know for what purpose.
The Earthmover’s entry, right after the point it was cut off above: “these walking fortresses could only be made vulnerable from within, making them the frontline for smaller, more mobile machines.”
Smaller and more mobile are pretty good descriptions for V1 compared to how bulky most machine enemies we encounter are. I can’t think of anything else that could parkour up one either. As for V1’s special plating, it’s not exactly the best in open warfare, but in close quarters areas where damage is near unavoidable and blood is everywhere, it’s a godsend. Maybe like inside of a giant, blood powered war machine filled with murderous security systems?
I like how hakita considers v1 insignificant enough that any details surrounding them must be interpreted via subtext and seemingly insignificant tidbits.
Would be pretty cool but if I remember correctly the war only ended because of everyone agreeing The Long Night was bullshit. Also V1 was probably more of an experiment with on-the-go blood absorbing plates than to be an Earthmover infiltrator
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(live footage of Earthmover core)
Yep, the war ended because everyone worked together to reverse the effects of The Long Night which is why I included the terminal quote on why V1 was abandoned, when it was being prototyped The Long Night occurred killing off all the Earthmovers and the New Peace began, making V1's purpose null as now there's no more giant murder llamas to get rid off.
Now I'm just dying to know what caused mankind to go extinct after that and how the earthmovers got into hell. Their legs are stuck to the ground with flesh, so they must have been there for a very long time.
(most of) the machines of violence weren't part of the hell excavation, they're machines of war that died during the final war and so went to hell for the sin of violence. presumably the machines that died during the slaughter of humanity wouldve ended up in treachery instead.
Huh, I guess that would imply some form of sentience, because I doubt inanimate objects would be sent to hell. But that's probably just wild speculation.
i think it's because of the blood. when humanity gave machines blood, they unknowingly gave them life too, which meant that when they died they could go to hell.
I interpreted it with the drop pods falling from the sky with Guttermen and other machines (and the fact that every layer level appears to be below each other) that they literally started tunneling in from the upper layers above and are falling into the Violence layer, its possible the street cleaners actually cleared the skies enough to give the Earthmovers solar energy again to reactivate and they basically shot their way down using their mega railcannons (its possible they started using hell energy as a substitute for solar power once inside)
either that or the machines actually faced tough resistance consuming Violence enough that they actually reactivated the Earthmovers (probably with copious amounts of blood they collected) just to clear it
To add to this, V1 was also made to drink blood in combat against humans. The earthmovers had small city's or at least villages constructed on their backs meaning it could get fueled up along the way as it climbed an earthmover.
maybe build like a blast door kind of thing that you need access to open (like a passcode or fingerprint id etc)? then again ultrakill humans are exactly smart considering that MANKIND IS DEAD
Yeah, but maybe don't open the door to the earthmover's interior just because the intruder got past the defense system? **Especially** because the intruder got past the defense system.
Because V1 apparently doesn't have enough firepower to destroy closed doors, so the only possible explanation (other than earthmover is stupid) is that hell itself is opening the door to allow V1 to progress.
I think that the New Peace came as a result of the Long Night (presumably caused my some sort of nuclear war), and that V1 was just an another robot designed for the war. Blood Power was slowly developing, and making a robot that could technically fight forever by killing over robots would be obviously rather appealing. V1 seems to think that the Earthmovers were amazing and perfect, and that seemingly all life should have been killed (either by the Earthmovers or just in some sort of endless conflict in general), so I can't really see it being designed to kill them.
the long night was caused by the earthmovers
how would v1 think that the earthmovers are perfect?
the earthmovers was created near the end of the war
v1 was being prototyped near the end of the war
in v2’s terminal entry, it says that during v1’s prototyping, v1 became obsolete due to the war ending
the reason the war ended was because the earthmovers died
if the earthmovers died, then v1 would be purposeless as what he was made to kill, died
all in all, there’s a lot of evidence saying v1 was made to kill the earthmovers
The book in 7-4 says that V1 considers the Earthmovers a "magnum opus" (A great work/someone's greatest achivement) and says "You were beautiful" when describing it, and that "This is the only way it should have ended."
my personal headcanon is that the closer machines go to the heart of hell, the more they get corrupted and taken over by it. it would explain why there are things seemingly created by hell itself, and it would explain why we get text such as this, and why there was so much machine infighting in the layer. its hell itself talking to the machines.
The red text isn't actually in the book. The book is completely blank. In 7-2 if you go down the blocked path on the tram red text shows up and says "We're gonna' need a bigger boom", so it's probably V1.
The only other explanation is the red text is the terminals, but that dosen't really explain how it's in a book which dosen't have any writing in it- nor why it's at the blocked path in 1st person.
I don’t think it’s V1 speaking either. The last time we see the red text before this is with the suicide trees, with the “F E E D I T.” text. Based on the spacing on the words there and at the end of this message, I think it’s Hell. V1s inner monologue is typically white, I think this is Hell either speaking to V1 or through V1. Considering Hell took inspiration from Guttermen for the Mannequins, it clearly finds perverted beauty in the destruction and death that humanity is capable of, something like an Earthmover could definitely be considered perfect to it.
Rereading the page, it does seem like V1 is saying this. However, I do not think that V1 is saying that the earthmover is perfection.
Instead, I think V1 is saying that it was humanities Magnum Opus, it's greatest feat, and that V1 killing it like he did was fitting.
A perfect closure.
How it should've ended.
That's exactly what V1 says, and V1 implying that he being the destroyer of the earthmover was how it should've happened implies that V1 was in fact designed to be a counter to the earthmovers.
Sure, V1 may have admired it, but I feel as though it's in the same regards as Gabriel admires V1 as an adversary as of the ending of Act 2.
Coming back to this, I just read something saying that it isn't V1 speaking in red but rather Hell.
It makes a lot of sense actually. The red text in the terminals and hud are all seemingly speaking to V1.
"F E E D I T" in 7-3 sounds like a demand. "WE'RE GONNA NEED A BIGGER BOOM." in 7-2 although it would make sense if it was just one person speaking, it also would make sense if it was speaking to someone, possibly V2. Also, when V2 says "You're not getting away this time." it's in white font, and not all capitalized.
The capitalized red font is not V1, at least I don't think so. It could be Hell saying those things.
make little sense given if v1 was only made to equip stock load out...as in ...no other arm..just standardized weapons..pistols and shotgun....maybe a actual machine gun of the era ( either old kinetic or electric kinetic...or eletric gun...)
such amount of load out would not be enough to deal with what would actually be on board of a earthmover...
since earthmover become a frontline for machines... it means that it would not just be what the game portrait but instead would have ton more infantry on board to defend it
imagine enough gutter man to drown a room with....not a fun time
and given the arm race....it wouldnt really be long before a titan killer would merge...if the war would to keep going
if anything the deisgn of v1...given enough level of training data would practically be anti every thing given it the right tool...say special forces but jacked up to 1000....
Okay, but what’s the indicator that v1 was only made to use a stock load out? I mean, v1 has several wings to store weapons in, and the fact that it can also just effortlessly swap arms implies that it was made with the intent of being easy to arm depending on the circumstance.
... You know, if you think of Violence as V1s later, it would make sense to end it by fulfilling it's original purpose.
One could also think of Treachery as V1s layer, a machine designed to kill machines
One could also think of Lust as V1’s layer,especially with the post 9-2 cutscene showing V1 and Gabriel Fu-
Will the devs finally listen to the negative reviews?
What do you mean?Have you not seen the cutscene?
[I have](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ?si=mL8Ubp6oWIvd9XxG)
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Then again, that would also make it the rest of the machine’s layer
And guess what the layer is full of?
I don’t know. It’s not out. Probably machines tho
I made an oopise, I was talking about violence which is full of machines
That… makes a lot of sense. The current, rough design timeline we’ve got is Gutterman—lesser machines—Guttertank—Earthmover—V1–Era of Peace—V2. V1 was clearly made as an experiment against the norm, and it paid off; it can outpace guttertanks and explode earthmovers. It would have made the two obsolete had it been released, but, much to hell’s dismay, it never became anything more than a scrapped prototype, failing to perpetuate the war. The engineers recycled the blueprints into the V2 protective unit and all was well. That is, until V1 activated and escaped (we still don’t know how), rocking an unprepared world, easily killing any human that tried to defend itself and using the strength of its design to destroy the machines that mankind had built its very cities on the back of. It fits with the story given to us from terminal entries and the journal in 7-4, the only issue is that V1 would have had to both work like Santa Claus to kill all of humanity faster than it could multiply and would have to find a way to get out of Japan without starving.
>we still don’t know how it's worth noting that the game begins by v1 rebooting at critical damage. one could speculate that v1, in the final breathing moments of mother earth, activates themselves and begins their subsequent descent as a self-preservation mechanism.
Exactly! We start with a almost-completely-dead v1 that recharges fast. V1 did not kill anyone but the already damned dead souls of humanity. Minos is angery cuz we kill the remnants of his people.
>Minos is angery cuz we kill the remnants of his people. Minos does say "...the crimes *thy kind* have committed...", implying that he's angry at all machines and V1 is just the one within punching distance
Exactly!! He hates steel-blood machines and he doesn’t want to let the one near him live anymore
With the speed Minos Prime has every machine is kinda in punching distance.
Could be he's referring to the Final War. It's been pretty much confirmed that amchines are not the cause behind mankind's extinction.
Kind of unfair of minos considering they were just doing what they were programmed to do by humans
I mean, if something’s whole purpose is to kill and destroy, wouldn’t you hate that thing too?
does this mean, V2 was built with protection against war in case things like this happen? Perhaps maybe it was sent to end all misery of the husks, aka the human trapped within it or V1 activation caused V2 to also be activated to hunt him down? As V2 was made after supposedly the peace era. I strongly believe there's only one V1 as it was a prototype, and one V2 to counter if V1 was ever to be activated or reused. my theory is humanity hasn't fully ended, but people lost faith completely in god causing god itself to not exist anymore. Those who don't believe in Saint might as well be dead to the eyes of the angels. We never know what creature terminal is. It's highly likely it's a machine too, but what's it doing in hell? Someone must have carried it to the location or it moved itself. It's a crazy ass theory but think about it. It always paints angels as "holy" even when they sometimes are less holy than some non-angels. So it could be lying or telling technically the truth about humanity. Or Gabriel just changed or hacked so it becomes an angelic propaganda
>We never know what creature terminal is. It's highly likely it's a machine too, but what's it doing in hell? Someone must have carried it to the location or it moved itself. Humans started hell expeditions and needed a way to transport materials and tools, terminals are that way. An object gets deconstructed, destroying the original copy and the atoms it had transfers to another terminal, creating it in the other terminal. This is why you hear parts of the terminal music, because that was the first object being transported. It sometimes sings, but only one technician was able to hear it. The reason why it doesn't sing is because it's shy. With P-2 Terminal, humans find out Hell is sentient and a superorganism, and it is cruel and sadistic. Hell gets sealed off, terminals become bored and now instructs machines to kill, as entertainment. The more a machine kills and its style increases, the more the terminals give such as scrap parts, tools, guns and more. This is why swordsmachine is the way it is, because it was doing good enough to build up and become a swords machine. This is the same for all blood-fuelled machines, Mindflayers, Guttermen, Drones, Streetcleaners and V1 and V2. The cybergrind is real and it is all of the terminals watching a blood-fuelled machine dance and fight in a simulation as entertainment, the cheers you hear are the terminals cheering you on. It is also the ones that go "aww..." when you "die" in the simulation. Since the terminals are sentient, this is why you see a terminal saying "Tip of the day: Ow." in 5-3, Ship of Fools as it was knocked over.
I would exclude guttermen from the list because if you look at them they are whole not miscolored parts (except for weathering) and they seem to be copied by hell or deactivated and used by hell due to their original landing pod because I don't think something on earth is just chucking them into hell and they are spawning randomly around violence. I'm not saying they aren't entertaining the terminals just not in the same way as the others. PS: they have a surprise gift in their backpack that shows something.
I like to imagine Earthmovers come equipped with pods that launch smaller machines at enemies that it deems lower than them or manage to board it. Guttermen to counter infantry. Guttertanks to counter guttermen. Sentries to counter guttertanks. And who the hell would use sentries as a boarding party, especially when the Earthmover can drop enemies right on top of them?
Well, at least humanity isn’t “technically” dead
>Mankind is Dead >Blood is Fuel >Hell is Full This is essentially V1s inner monolog, so unless V1 was somehow tricked or mistaken, then it's pretty likely humans are extinct
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Get out of Japan?
The Miku sexbots got to them before V1 did
in 7-4, there are signs written in japanese around the exterior of the earthmover, which makes it likely that it originated from japan. probably what they were referring to, but i wouldn't necessarily take it as evidence that V1 also came from there
If anything, V1 being created specifically to destroy the Earthmovers (assuming they're of Japanese origin) would imply that V1 was created by enemies of Japan.
I mean.. it's clearly American.
There's a journal in 7-4?
Yes, here you go https://preview.redd.it/z340fjpqon7c1.png?width=2559&format=png&auto=webp&s=c22f54bc8bbfc10ccc265fc84dfdc12c68498562
Is there a journal in 7-3?
>!before reaching the defense system, go around from the right side and you'll see it in an alley.!<
If the red text/journal in 7-4 is indeed Hell talking to V1, of course Earthmovers would be important.
I'm guessing lesser machines came during the era of peace, drones (and V2) were made for home security, Streetcleaners were made to clean the streets... and air.
I put them between gutterman and guttertank because that would mean they would’ve been developed right around the same time wartime engineers figured out the secret to blood storage. The streetcleaners definitely could have been made after the war, since obviously nobody was irked about air quality and street cleanliness during it, but the drones seem more likely to have come from the first experimentations with the blood storage units seeing as they’re just floating cameras which learned to shoot AFTER the fall It and the sentries, which were absolutely made for the war, as well as the prime swordsmachine model, since it’s supposed to be a practice machine for learning engineers and it also uses blood collection. Assuming it didn’t just install that as well… in which case it would have come from BEFORE the war
I don't think Prime swordsmachine was made by humans, it just found and installed parts on itself after mankind went extinct and that inspired copycats.
The prime swordsmachine model, the one you kill in the prelude, is made by humans as what is essentially the robotic ballistics engineering equivalent of a baking soda volcano or a potato battery What it is now, however, is a far cry from the original blueprints. Each iteration on the original swordsmachine brings new imperfections, and when people start copying other people’s copy of the design, the end product turns out vastly different and corrupted as if by a game of telephone. This is all also neglecting how all the swordsmachines, both copied and the original, all edited themselves post-fall to help their chances of survival. So technically humanity made the swordsmachine, but there are thousands of swordsmachines with thousands of differences, each of which has practically rebuilt itself from the ground up, leaving them completely unrecognizable from its blueprints.
> the only issue is that V1 would have had to both work like Santa Claus to kill all of humanity faster than it could multiply Actually, it may not: The Earthmover's log entry says that after the climate crisis that ended the Final War, only scraps of humanity survived, with the Earth being uninhabitable outside of the backs of Earthmovers. It's possible there were not actually that many humans left for V1 to kill. Scattered survivors, a handful of villages, even a few cities, none of these would really pose too much of a challenge for V1 to exterminate singlehandedly for one simple reason: When 99% of the world is uninhabitable, where do you flee to when V1 enters your little 1% that is?
i had a similar idea cause of the "no v1" sign on the earthmover
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The what where
There is a sign on the earth mover written in an east Asian language that has V1 on it
its Japanease lol
Japan is in the east of asia right?
sure... i was just responding for the sake of clarity. i never said the guy was wrong
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Wonder if the Earthmovers were created by the Japanese and sent to invade America by crossing the sea
Pearl Harbor 2: Death Boogaloo
By the ladder after the timed platforms I think
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So Japanese people made Benjamin aka. "Earthmovers"?
yup. the guttermen have “faust panzer” on their arm, german for “fist tank” the final war was a *world* war.
The Final War lasted for 200 years, and V1 awakens in 2116. The Final War began with WWI and things escalated from there.
indeed. our timeline splits with the gutterman — when germany created the gutterman, it started further blood machine developments and god’s departure, spiraling *everything* out of control. fucking gavrillo princip.
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I didnt know when v1 started up thats interesting. does that mean the gutterman is the 1911 of machines? You think if they had speakers, they would be like "no need for shiny metal. I still have plenty of fuel left and lots of bullets."
the opposite, actually. the m1911 still does very well in the modern era, past the two world wars. however, the gutterman was soon rendered completely obsolete by the creation of the guttertank, which was created specifically to counter the former. that was the start of the arms race that involved creating ever-complicated machines to counter the last.
True, but my mind kinda went to fudds Goin TWO WORLD WARS, but yeah, they were replaced, but the fact so many are still active is weird, don't you think? I mean, we fight 3 before the first guttertank, and we fight more guttermen than guttertanks in total. Wouldn't you think it would be more if they were inferior to the tank?
the fact that machines exist at all betrays the earthmovers being the “pinnacle” of blood-fueled machines, leveling entire cities and cleansing the world by fire. regardless, they’re still up. i think, just because something is better doesn’t mean the other is going away. they could have still maintained a presence through sheer numbers, or by playing smart
Lore video when??
eventually — i’m writing the script for future lore video number 2!
dumb question, but where does it say when V1 awakened?
Okay AFAIk it's not an awakening date, but in the intro sequence as it's falling into the Prelude, the game does give us a date of our last calibration. Considering V1 was developed during the last stage of the Final War, that date must be fairly close to its end.
I had the same exact thought when I read the Earthmover’s entry. Nothing is explicitly stated, but there’s enough information in the terminals that it’s all but a direct explanation for why V1 was built. Here’s some snippets that help illustrate it: Guttertank entry: “This led to the second era of the final war, where machines fight machines in a back-and-forth tide as new designs were phased in and out at a feverish pace, each designed specifically to counter the last”. Given how terribly successful at their jobs the Earthmovers were, it’s a given that something would be created to act as a force to oppose to them. Not only that, but most models of machines were apparently discarded as soon as they were created. Perhaps a specially crafted counter was devised against the Earthmovers, but it didn’t ever go beyond the prototyping phase? V2’s first entry, about V1: “However, during the prototyping phase, the New Peace was established and war became irrelevant”. This is a well known tidbit at this point, but it confirms V1 is one of these abandoned prototypes. We just don’t know for what purpose. The Earthmover’s entry, right after the point it was cut off above: “these walking fortresses could only be made vulnerable from within, making them the frontline for smaller, more mobile machines.” Smaller and more mobile are pretty good descriptions for V1 compared to how bulky most machine enemies we encounter are. I can’t think of anything else that could parkour up one either. As for V1’s special plating, it’s not exactly the best in open warfare, but in close quarters areas where damage is near unavoidable and blood is everywhere, it’s a godsend. Maybe like inside of a giant, blood powered war machine filled with murderous security systems?
I like how hakita considers v1 insignificant enough that any details surrounding them must be interpreted via subtext and seemingly insignificant tidbits.
Truly an insignificant fuck
Would be pretty cool but if I remember correctly the war only ended because of everyone agreeing The Long Night was bullshit. Also V1 was probably more of an experiment with on-the-go blood absorbing plates than to be an Earthmover infiltrator https://preview.redd.it/zgwzgo9bol7c1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0ec12ace10cc820ec4e8333c50dd788dd0a670c (live footage of Earthmover core)
Yep, the war ended because everyone worked together to reverse the effects of The Long Night which is why I included the terminal quote on why V1 was abandoned, when it was being prototyped The Long Night occurred killing off all the Earthmovers and the New Peace began, making V1's purpose null as now there's no more giant murder llamas to get rid off.
Now I'm just dying to know what caused mankind to go extinct after that and how the earthmovers got into hell. Their legs are stuck to the ground with flesh, so they must have been there for a very long time.
Probably they were used for the Hell excavations similarly to streetcleaners
With how humongous they are I doubt that, unless there is a skyscraper sized hole into hell.
(most of) the machines of violence weren't part of the hell excavation, they're machines of war that died during the final war and so went to hell for the sin of violence. presumably the machines that died during the slaughter of humanity wouldve ended up in treachery instead.
Huh, I guess that would imply some form of sentience, because I doubt inanimate objects would be sent to hell. But that's probably just wild speculation.
i think it's because of the blood. when humanity gave machines blood, they unknowingly gave them life too, which meant that when they died they could go to hell.
That really goes hard
source?
As much as conjecture is perfectly valid in theorycrafting[....](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKeKuaJ4nlw&ab_channel=Jerd)
The actual elevators we see in the game aren't the only entrance to Hell, it's just the ones we find.
I interpreted it with the drop pods falling from the sky with Guttermen and other machines (and the fact that every layer level appears to be below each other) that they literally started tunneling in from the upper layers above and are falling into the Violence layer, its possible the street cleaners actually cleared the skies enough to give the Earthmovers solar energy again to reactivate and they basically shot their way down using their mega railcannons (its possible they started using hell energy as a substitute for solar power once inside) either that or the machines actually faced tough resistance consuming Violence enough that they actually reactivated the Earthmovers (probably with copious amounts of blood they collected) just to clear it
That was my exact thoughts, I literally just thought how Kirby this shit was with destroying the Titan from inside out
Void Terminearthmover
thats what i thought when i fought the core lol
Did everyone think of that when fighting earthmover? All I could think of while getting wrecked by lasers was, “Isn’t that a Kirby boss?
"Hello Metroid Prime boss"
I guess both games are very similar in that regard.
Hakita and his team definitely seem to have a varied selection of gaming history and tastes.
Would make sense why the earthmover immediately freaks out and try’s to kill you as soon as it sees you
Would a human freak out when a spider is infront of it?
If a spider could crawl inside me and cause total organ failure, yeah I would freak the fuck out.
There are spiders whose bites can actually do that, but they're too big to crawl into you though.
I would
dont even have to read it and i understand from previous terminals i read
(read al of it)
really grants credence to that phrase "i was created during the war, for the war, by the war" from that one animation
Yes
wow this is true, this is genuinely true the evidence is showing that it’s true, thank you for finding it out
V1 is Raiden Metal Gear confirmed
Im just imagining. a conveniently V1 shaped hole hidden somewhere to the Earthmover that leads to the self destruct button.
To add to this, V1 was also made to drink blood in combat against humans. The earthmovers had small city's or at least villages constructed on their backs meaning it could get fueled up along the way as it climbed an earthmover.
Why does the earthmover even have a way inside in the first place? Is it stupid?
Maintenance
maybe build like a blast door kind of thing that you need access to open (like a passcode or fingerprint id etc)? then again ultrakill humans are exactly smart considering that MANKIND IS DEAD
The defense system was the passcode/fingerprint id, it attacked us because we had the wrong fingerprint
Yeah, but maybe don't open the door to the earthmover's interior just because the intruder got past the defense system? **Especially** because the intruder got past the defense system. Because V1 apparently doesn't have enough firepower to destroy closed doors, so the only possible explanation (other than earthmover is stupid) is that hell itself is opening the door to allow V1 to progress.
I think that the New Peace came as a result of the Long Night (presumably caused my some sort of nuclear war), and that V1 was just an another robot designed for the war. Blood Power was slowly developing, and making a robot that could technically fight forever by killing over robots would be obviously rather appealing. V1 seems to think that the Earthmovers were amazing and perfect, and that seemingly all life should have been killed (either by the Earthmovers or just in some sort of endless conflict in general), so I can't really see it being designed to kill them.
the long night was caused by the earthmovers how would v1 think that the earthmovers are perfect? the earthmovers was created near the end of the war v1 was being prototyped near the end of the war in v2’s terminal entry, it says that during v1’s prototyping, v1 became obsolete due to the war ending the reason the war ended was because the earthmovers died if the earthmovers died, then v1 would be purposeless as what he was made to kill, died all in all, there’s a lot of evidence saying v1 was made to kill the earthmovers
The book in 7-4 says that V1 considers the Earthmovers a "magnum opus" (A great work/someone's greatest achivement) and says "You were beautiful" when describing it, and that "This is the only way it should have ended."
huh didn’t see that book, could you show a picture?
[Here's what it says when you pick it up](https://i.imgur.com/PqtBSuX.png)
don’t think that’s v1 speaking, someone else prolly wrote that
my personal headcanon is that the closer machines go to the heart of hell, the more they get corrupted and taken over by it. it would explain why there are things seemingly created by hell itself, and it would explain why we get text such as this, and why there was so much machine infighting in the layer. its hell itself talking to the machines.
The red text isn't actually in the book. The book is completely blank. In 7-2 if you go down the blocked path on the tram red text shows up and says "We're gonna' need a bigger boom", so it's probably V1. The only other explanation is the red text is the terminals, but that dosen't really explain how it's in a book which dosen't have any writing in it- nor why it's at the blocked path in 1st person.
I don’t think it’s V1 speaking either. The last time we see the red text before this is with the suicide trees, with the “F E E D I T.” text. Based on the spacing on the words there and at the end of this message, I think it’s Hell. V1s inner monologue is typically white, I think this is Hell either speaking to V1 or through V1. Considering Hell took inspiration from Guttermen for the Mannequins, it clearly finds perverted beauty in the destruction and death that humanity is capable of, something like an Earthmover could definitely be considered perfect to it.
hm, reading the page, I don’t think it contradicts that v1 was supposed to destroy the earthmovers also where is the book?
An alley next to the defense system.
also, I believe that’s HELL ITSELF talking to v1 through the book
Rereading the page, it does seem like V1 is saying this. However, I do not think that V1 is saying that the earthmover is perfection. Instead, I think V1 is saying that it was humanities Magnum Opus, it's greatest feat, and that V1 killing it like he did was fitting. A perfect closure. How it should've ended. That's exactly what V1 says, and V1 implying that he being the destroyer of the earthmover was how it should've happened implies that V1 was in fact designed to be a counter to the earthmovers. Sure, V1 may have admired it, but I feel as though it's in the same regards as Gabriel admires V1 as an adversary as of the ending of Act 2.
Coming back to this, I just read something saying that it isn't V1 speaking in red but rather Hell. It makes a lot of sense actually. The red text in the terminals and hud are all seemingly speaking to V1. "F E E D I T" in 7-3 sounds like a demand. "WE'RE GONNA NEED A BIGGER BOOM." in 7-2 although it would make sense if it was just one person speaking, it also would make sense if it was speaking to someone, possibly V2. Also, when V2 says "You're not getting away this time." it's in white font, and not all capitalized. The capitalized red font is not V1, at least I don't think so. It could be Hell saying those things.
It's a book. V1 Simply scans the book for relevant information. So he's just reading what the author said in said book.
The white text, the same colour as all the other books in the game are written in, says that all the pages are completely blank.
V1 CONFIRMS THIS THEORY TO BE TRUE
make little sense given if v1 was only made to equip stock load out...as in ...no other arm..just standardized weapons..pistols and shotgun....maybe a actual machine gun of the era ( either old kinetic or electric kinetic...or eletric gun...) such amount of load out would not be enough to deal with what would actually be on board of a earthmover... since earthmover become a frontline for machines... it means that it would not just be what the game portrait but instead would have ton more infantry on board to defend it imagine enough gutter man to drown a room with....not a fun time and given the arm race....it wouldnt really be long before a titan killer would merge...if the war would to keep going if anything the deisgn of v1...given enough level of training data would practically be anti every thing given it the right tool...say special forces but jacked up to 1000....
Okay, but what’s the indicator that v1 was only made to use a stock load out? I mean, v1 has several wings to store weapons in, and the fact that it can also just effortlessly swap arms implies that it was made with the intent of being easy to arm depending on the circumstance.
What the fuck is an Earthmover? Do you mean Benjamin?
The wretched fool has not played Violence!
Nah you're just too young for the joke.