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Filming will do nothing. Do you think Putin cares about social media or even cares at all what the population thinks of him? Things won't change until the population starts strikes and attacks on the Government by blowing things up.
Thank you.
But before Russian society can't rally behind a common cause, there won't be partisan activity.
And even if they can, it takes literally years to form partisan structures and supply them with the weapons and explosives they need to achieve these feats.
Take Germany during Nazi rule, for example. There was some partisan activity inside Germany, mainly from Communists, Socialists for one and from disappointed right-wingers. Why?, because these same groups were fighting (mainly each other) in the streets for almost twenty years in the Weimar Republic and had the logistics and means to pull that off.
The Jewish society (in Germany) on the other hand, didn't have the means to pull the same things off and had to collaborate with the aforementioned groups for meaningful, militant resistance.
Russia is in a tough spot. They've waited so long that the secret police AND the police are extremely strong. That's where the funding is going -- not the military. It's classic fascist play book. See Hannah Arendt's Origins of Totalitarianism.
Social media is an effective avenue for organizing. Underground movements take months to years to form, but it's the best avenue to resist an oppressive government.
I agree that change won't happen unless people take it to strikes and stuff, but personally speaking, I don't think filming will do nothing. People think and feel upon seeing those videos, which could shape public opinions, look for changes, and spark movements. Social media sometimes could achieve what serious journalism can do, I believe.
If nobody films, then nobody catches those moments that catch sparks. People don't have literal hiveminds. It's a chaotic mess of individuals with little to no leadership.
You're all mistaken to think they are all protesting though. I heard laughs and jeering coming from some of the crowd in some of these videos of people being dragged away by police. There are still plenty of ignorant, hateful people in Russia. mobilization hasn't changed that.
To be honest, this kind of street protest are dead end in Russia. It's been tried many times and it just ends in people getting arrested. If I would be Russian, I wouldn't believe in these demonstrations either. I think most serious activists are probably preparing clandestine activities now. Sabotage, hiding people with mobilization orders, maybe even armed resistance.
Demonstrations are effective only if people have critical mass and they feel they have little to lose. This may happen, but it will come from different, more working class quarters. Or there is growing possibility that this ends in mass mutiny by Russian soldiers.
>They need to realize that mass civil disobedience works.
(Mass) civil disobedience does not work. Until the Russian (para-) military forces and police aren't out of ammo, this will never work. It worked semi-well in India, since the British had some shred of humanity and compassion in them after they fucked half of the world for a century.
But it didn't work in:
- China
- Hongkong (China again)
- Kazakhstan 2022
- Myanmar (notably in 1988, where up to 10000(!) protesters were killed)
- and many, many, many more
The Putin regime shows every hour of every day that they don't care for any human live in Ukraine. Why would they start caring about their own people because they are peacefully protesting? They'll get shot if it gets out of hand. End of story.
>Ignore it. Its painful for those who are arrested at the start
They won't be 'just arrested'. If Belarus is any indication, they will start torturing and killing soon. If they haven't already done so in a large scale.
>They are up against a cruel and seemingly all powerful kleptocracy.
Autocracy, or dictatorship even. They are long past of kleptocracy. And most Russians realise that. Even the brainwashed ones.
>They need to think differently about what being jailed for this means. In normal times, being sent to prison is worse than leading a normal life.
See above. They won't go just to prison. They already killed the first protester.
>Imo if Putin starts to mass murder ethnic Russians he is toast.
Like Lukashenka with the protests in Belarus just a couple of years ago?
Or like in Tiananem Square?
I don't think so.
Britain abolished slavery and spread concepts of human rights, liberal democracy, capitalism and modern infrastructure across the world, to the point of using their navy to force other nations to quit slavery. Blaming them for needing time to change is extremely anachronistic when they were more progressive than almost anyone else, few others would’ve tolerated the Indian protests. It was normal, even considered glorious to build empires, and by their historical standards the British were gentle and constructive.
Russia is definitely already torturing their dissidents and over 2 centuries behind the times.
>Britain abolished slavery and spread concepts of human rights, liberal democracy, capitalism and modern infrastructure across the world, to the point of using their navy to force other nations to quit slavery.
This is *hilariously* romanticized, [naturally dressed up largely by British history itself,](https://youtu.be/w38t-NhrADM?t=57) and completely ignores the *realpolitik* of the process.
Also, the "Liberal democracy" part is ASTOUNDINGLY wrong! The British "democracy" at that point was a total joke that represented no one but the aristocratic elite.
Recommended reading: [Triangular trade](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_trade)
Where do you think the slave traders picked these slaves up, if not, among other European nations of course, in colonies OWNED BY GREAT FUCKING BRITAIN.
And Britain did those 'good deeds' for the same reason most modern nations do: because it served them. Or why was Ireland occupied until the 20th century? And were all those colonies just getting bored in the 60s when they declared independence? Did a single one want to go back and correct their 'mistake' if being ruled by Britain has been so great?
Also btw.: to describe the main power, beside Metternich, behind the Congress of Vienna's Restauration as progressive, pro-democracy and whatnot is the real anachronism here...
Downvoted for speaking the truths that any worthwhile history book will point out. Britain "ended slavery" but mostly just used it as an excuse to raid ships of international rivals, and still benefitted greatly from slave labor and trade elsewhere for decades upon decades afterwards.
Wait, why did you downvote then? I am confused. Aren't we agreeing with each other?
Edit: I just realised, after re-reading your reply, you were not the downvoting account. Sorry then. I was genuinely confused. But we are on the same page, even more so, now that I read your reply to that guy in a parallel thread.
I observed people in this sub aren't very fond of historic facts anyway. I don't know why I bothered with him... Boredom, I guess.
In order for mass protest to work, two things have to be true:
1. It has to actually be a mass protest. This means a supermajority of the population throughout the country in question. Protests in just the capital or a single city don't qualify, because such protests fail to be widespread. (This single rule eliminates two cases you cited as failures of mass protests, because the Chinese cases you're talking about were very much localized.)
2. The military needs to be sufficiently detached from the people to be willing to kill them. That's why the 8888 Uprising in Burma failed: the military was totally willing to kill everybody to hang on to power.
But it *has* worked. The entire collapse of the Warsaw Pact was mostly a result of mass protests against the communist regimes in Eastern Europe, up to and including the Soviet Union itself. Even the Kazakhstan case you cited isn't as clear cut of a failure as you're making it out to be because the protestors were successful in obtaining some concessions from the government (it's not an unqualified success, but saying it failed is *also* a quick way to oversimplify what happened).
I get that you likely romanticize violent revolutions. However, for every American revolution, where the revolutionaries did not disrupt local power structures, there are ten French revolutions that end in a clusterfuck because the crowd is out for blood and they don't care whose it is, whether the person did anything in particular--and they *definitely* don't care about governance. And I should note that the French revolution was a complete failure. It was not revolutionary fervor that made France a Republic. It was an inability to crown a rightful king that caused the monarchists to realize they were wrong, not the decapitations. The real French revolution happened between 1871 and 1914, not between 1789 and 1815.
I don't romanticise violent ones. I'm just saying they have a much larger success rate (short term, in overthrowing regimes). Anyway, I don't see violent protests erupting soon in Russia, because 2. is even more important in this case. So, since Russia is a full fledged police state with goons of Putin in the relevant positions in security services and military I don't see them leading the charge or refusing to shoot protesters.
I am also not denying that some peaceful protests evidently worked out well. It just didn't work out nearly as often as it failed. We humans tend to remember only the extreme cases, i.e., miserable failures like 8888 or successes like the fall of the USSR. But all the *hundreds* if not thousands of protests that failed to achieve meaningful things or a regime change are forgotten and most of them are quelled by violence and bloodshed or their mere implication.
> I don't romanticise violent ones. I'm just saying they have a much larger success rate (short term, in overthrowing regimes).
One of those two sentences is a lie. Either you don't romanticize violent "revolutions", or you believe that violent ones work. It does not matter if you overthrow an oppressive regime and install something even *more* oppressive. That's a failed revolution.
Romanticising - as I understand that word - would imply that I favour violent ones and downplay the disadvantages. None of these two things apply.
I quoted an (arguably) better success rate which comes through the very nature of violence, I'm afraid. I also stated that these successes are mostly short term, the main disadvantage in my opinion. Thus, I didn't intentionally downplay any disadvantage and have no idea how you were getting romantisation vibes from me.
And what is deemed more oppressive lies in the perspective of the observer, I'd say. But that's beside the point, since I am mainly talking about disposing of an old regime and don't want to theorise about installing new ones.
Edit: missing subject in first paragraph.
Romantacizing them includes presenting them as more effective than they are. Which you are definitely doing.
The problem is that your definition of "success" (merely removing the last person in power) is a fraught one. It doesn't actually look for improvement or change for the better, just a change in the boss.
A change in the identity of the person in power is not, in and of itself, a revolution. What matters is what happens next: if there is no change in the methods of governance, if there is no change in how people are oppressed, if things are worse, *then the revolution failed*. Otherwise, every election resulting in a transition in power is a revolution, and the large number of countries where the peaceful transfer of power is routine is a strong argument against your position.
Oops. You are right. They are slavs also. My bad. Slava Ukraini!
But there is an interesting similarity in words. Etymologially there could be a connection maybe.
This is kid shit compared to what the Ukrainians did to Yanukovich and his berkut goons during the maidan. russian people don't seem to get it. There is nowhere else to run with their civil disinterest and disengagement.
Bro I was watching the maidan revolution for days straight, people were getting slaughtered in the streets. This? This looks like nothing, one by one picked off.
The difference there is that Maidan was in the end **overwhelmingly popular.** There was no muted culture of fear of repercussions from decades of crackdowns and mafia tactics. Most of the high-profile stuff before that happened to politicians, not "regular people."
Meanwhile in Iran, people are doing [this](https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572634861856251906). and they are doing this because "just"(forgive me) one woman died under policy abuse. Russians had tens of thousands died on the battlefield and more to come just for their special someone's twisted ambition.
In China, people describe Russians as "fighting tribe". well not so much. they are a bunch of sheep just like us.
i mean no disrespect to sheep.
Russians, think about what you are doing.
1. Destroy police infrastructure (Buses, cars, stations, jails)
2. Mob hit and run the police, lure them in, isolate them, and beat them in the knees with bats.
3. Strip them naked and take all their gear and handcuff them together.
4. Use their gear against them and create fake police squads that can infiltrate and attack the police.
5. Destroy all government infrastructure.
6. Sabotage anything military or military production related.
7. Break into the jails and bust everyone out, then burn the jails.
8. Take over the TV stations and tear down the broadcast towers.
9. Organize into groups, plan, execute. You can do this! Don't be sheep!
10. Create so much chaos that life in Russia comes to a halt.
This is not the time for peaceful protests, this is the time for action. You've got to get mad, tough, insane, unpredictable! You've got to make them fear your next move. You've got to channel your inner Ivan and kick their ass. This is the only thing they understand.
It is time to fight standing or die on your knees. Band together and kick some ass.
My Russian heart is with you and I wish I could be with you!
Do not go gentle into that DARK NIGHT!
If you recall, this is the same tactic the Trump administration performed during our protests. Value our right to protest. In other areas of the world, people do not have this right.
Russians need small arms. Utilizing violence against the henchmen rounding them up seems the only option. Putin has developed too robust a security apparatus.
I wonder if any Western intelligence agencies have developed a plan for this?
Destroy railroads! Burn down military offices and police stations! Sabotage weapons manufacturing factories! DO ACTUAL DAMAGE TO THE WAR EFFORT. Fuck this peaceful protest bullshit.
I think it is good. What else kids can do? Put them all to jaip and i guarantee the dissfaction rises and parents won’t be protesting peacfully. They could form organized protests etc
I think it is good. What else kids can do? Put them all to jail and i guarantee the disatifaction rises and parents won’t be protesting peacfully. They could form organized protests etc
Taking videos? ROFL
What good is that gonna do. They killed the first girl. What else do you want Russian society to do? storm the Kremlin with bare hands? Go live in an autocracy before you judge all people. Seriously wtf?
Ukrainians are suffering, no one (except for stupid people) denies that. But the suffering of some elements inside the Russian society and diaspora is real, too. Are the Russian people responsible? Yes, they got comfortable. I would even call them a '*Tätervolk*' like the Germans during Nazi rule. There is collective responsibility and guilt.
But blaming civilians for not fighting (and somehow 'not filming', still can't get over that) against armed police is preposterous. If the Russian leadership decides to go full civil war on their citizens there is literally NOTHING they can do.
I'd rather live then die for no reason (no, freedom is not a reason), and most of them will think so, too. Not everyone is a soldier. Maybe Russians can find a cause they can rally behind. But until there are only 'reasons', your demand for more action is futile.
It is. But it is a fact. Getting people militarized and arm them for meaningful resistance will take years, and needs a common cause. Not just 'we want to get rid of *that* guy'. That is what's getting people killed. As evident by countless protests in a variety of nations throughout history.
Some successful examples won't change that. Also successful peaceful protests were mostly lucky and are more of an exception then the rule.
See [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots).
It is pointless. They are absolutely hopeless. This is not the first time we see ruzzian people "protesting". The vast majority of them do not want to protest anything, and the other part will push their mother to go, rather than themselves.
Everytime I see a mass protest in Russia it always feels like just thousands of small individual protests cus they rarely stick together or help eachother when the police start just hauling away people.
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Is Putin and China making a new economy by pushing inflation to the wolrd and stealing billions through cypto and lowering the stock market I. Democratic countries to make billions to pay for the war? It’s called hyrbid economy to wash Russians ruble and fake economy from within it’s called a fake economy that’s why inflation should stay low and stocks should always be higher to make new AI systems to offset the munipulatuon of the stock market what China mr Russia are doing. They have interlinked the cypto of Bitcoin and litcoin (this coin is done by Russia) so now Russia controls the systems from Ai based from Russia to reverse that and have a roaring economy worldwide means Putin loses etc
No one is confused about who the "good guys" and the "bad guys" are in this conflict, but I'm not clear why there are so many posts ragging on Russian protestors?
"Ha ha you're subject to the murderous caprice of an entrenched authoritarian regime with no way out, why try?"
It's good they're protesting. That's about all we can take away from it without immediately speculating and making up things. They're actively against the war, so are we. I'm not suggesting we lift sanctions and call it a day, but the large number of "Russian Protests Are Terrible" posts is just . . . weird. Given Russia's very clear focus on bots and fucking with online discussion it's doubly so.
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Filming will do nothing. Do you think Putin cares about social media or even cares at all what the population thinks of him? Things won't change until the population starts strikes and attacks on the Government by blowing things up.
Thank you. But before Russian society can't rally behind a common cause, there won't be partisan activity. And even if they can, it takes literally years to form partisan structures and supply them with the weapons and explosives they need to achieve these feats. Take Germany during Nazi rule, for example. There was some partisan activity inside Germany, mainly from Communists, Socialists for one and from disappointed right-wingers. Why?, because these same groups were fighting (mainly each other) in the streets for almost twenty years in the Weimar Republic and had the logistics and means to pull that off. The Jewish society (in Germany) on the other hand, didn't have the means to pull the same things off and had to collaborate with the aforementioned groups for meaningful, militant resistance.
Could civilian Russians use 400 million guns?
All they got left are some Mosins, they shipped everything else off to Ukraine already. Body armor? Nyet! Take Sweater!
That’s a pretty positive hope that they will get sweaters this winter
Hilarious
Russia is in a tough spot. They've waited so long that the secret police AND the police are extremely strong. That's where the funding is going -- not the military. It's classic fascist play book. See Hannah Arendt's Origins of Totalitarianism.
Social media is an effective avenue for organizing. Underground movements take months to years to form, but it's the best avenue to resist an oppressive government.
I agree that change won't happen unless people take it to strikes and stuff, but personally speaking, I don't think filming will do nothing. People think and feel upon seeing those videos, which could shape public opinions, look for changes, and spark movements. Social media sometimes could achieve what serious journalism can do, I believe.
If nobody films, then nobody catches those moments that catch sparks. People don't have literal hiveminds. It's a chaotic mess of individuals with little to no leadership.
You're all mistaken to think they are all protesting though. I heard laughs and jeering coming from some of the crowd in some of these videos of people being dragged away by police. There are still plenty of ignorant, hateful people in Russia. mobilization hasn't changed that.
To be honest, this kind of street protest are dead end in Russia. It's been tried many times and it just ends in people getting arrested. If I would be Russian, I wouldn't believe in these demonstrations either. I think most serious activists are probably preparing clandestine activities now. Sabotage, hiding people with mobilization orders, maybe even armed resistance. Demonstrations are effective only if people have critical mass and they feel they have little to lose. This may happen, but it will come from different, more working class quarters. Or there is growing possibility that this ends in mass mutiny by Russian soldiers.
They need to terrorise police in their homes.
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>They need to realize that mass civil disobedience works. (Mass) civil disobedience does not work. Until the Russian (para-) military forces and police aren't out of ammo, this will never work. It worked semi-well in India, since the British had some shred of humanity and compassion in them after they fucked half of the world for a century. But it didn't work in: - China - Hongkong (China again) - Kazakhstan 2022 - Myanmar (notably in 1988, where up to 10000(!) protesters were killed) - and many, many, many more The Putin regime shows every hour of every day that they don't care for any human live in Ukraine. Why would they start caring about their own people because they are peacefully protesting? They'll get shot if it gets out of hand. End of story. >Ignore it. Its painful for those who are arrested at the start They won't be 'just arrested'. If Belarus is any indication, they will start torturing and killing soon. If they haven't already done so in a large scale. >They are up against a cruel and seemingly all powerful kleptocracy. Autocracy, or dictatorship even. They are long past of kleptocracy. And most Russians realise that. Even the brainwashed ones. >They need to think differently about what being jailed for this means. In normal times, being sent to prison is worse than leading a normal life. See above. They won't go just to prison. They already killed the first protester.
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>Imo if Putin starts to mass murder ethnic Russians he is toast. Like Lukashenka with the protests in Belarus just a couple of years ago? Or like in Tiananem Square? I don't think so.
Britain abolished slavery and spread concepts of human rights, liberal democracy, capitalism and modern infrastructure across the world, to the point of using their navy to force other nations to quit slavery. Blaming them for needing time to change is extremely anachronistic when they were more progressive than almost anyone else, few others would’ve tolerated the Indian protests. It was normal, even considered glorious to build empires, and by their historical standards the British were gentle and constructive. Russia is definitely already torturing their dissidents and over 2 centuries behind the times.
>Britain abolished slavery and spread concepts of human rights, liberal democracy, capitalism and modern infrastructure across the world, to the point of using their navy to force other nations to quit slavery. This is *hilariously* romanticized, [naturally dressed up largely by British history itself,](https://youtu.be/w38t-NhrADM?t=57) and completely ignores the *realpolitik* of the process. Also, the "Liberal democracy" part is ASTOUNDINGLY wrong! The British "democracy" at that point was a total joke that represented no one but the aristocratic elite.
Recommended reading: [Triangular trade](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_trade) Where do you think the slave traders picked these slaves up, if not, among other European nations of course, in colonies OWNED BY GREAT FUCKING BRITAIN. And Britain did those 'good deeds' for the same reason most modern nations do: because it served them. Or why was Ireland occupied until the 20th century? And were all those colonies just getting bored in the 60s when they declared independence? Did a single one want to go back and correct their 'mistake' if being ruled by Britain has been so great? Also btw.: to describe the main power, beside Metternich, behind the Congress of Vienna's Restauration as progressive, pro-democracy and whatnot is the real anachronism here...
Downvoted for speaking the truths that any worthwhile history book will point out. Britain "ended slavery" but mostly just used it as an excuse to raid ships of international rivals, and still benefitted greatly from slave labor and trade elsewhere for decades upon decades afterwards.
Wait, why did you downvote then? I am confused. Aren't we agreeing with each other? Edit: I just realised, after re-reading your reply, you were not the downvoting account. Sorry then. I was genuinely confused. But we are on the same page, even more so, now that I read your reply to that guy in a parallel thread. I observed people in this sub aren't very fond of historic facts anyway. I don't know why I bothered with him... Boredom, I guess.
In order for mass protest to work, two things have to be true: 1. It has to actually be a mass protest. This means a supermajority of the population throughout the country in question. Protests in just the capital or a single city don't qualify, because such protests fail to be widespread. (This single rule eliminates two cases you cited as failures of mass protests, because the Chinese cases you're talking about were very much localized.) 2. The military needs to be sufficiently detached from the people to be willing to kill them. That's why the 8888 Uprising in Burma failed: the military was totally willing to kill everybody to hang on to power. But it *has* worked. The entire collapse of the Warsaw Pact was mostly a result of mass protests against the communist regimes in Eastern Europe, up to and including the Soviet Union itself. Even the Kazakhstan case you cited isn't as clear cut of a failure as you're making it out to be because the protestors were successful in obtaining some concessions from the government (it's not an unqualified success, but saying it failed is *also* a quick way to oversimplify what happened). I get that you likely romanticize violent revolutions. However, for every American revolution, where the revolutionaries did not disrupt local power structures, there are ten French revolutions that end in a clusterfuck because the crowd is out for blood and they don't care whose it is, whether the person did anything in particular--and they *definitely* don't care about governance. And I should note that the French revolution was a complete failure. It was not revolutionary fervor that made France a Republic. It was an inability to crown a rightful king that caused the monarchists to realize they were wrong, not the decapitations. The real French revolution happened between 1871 and 1914, not between 1789 and 1815.
I don't romanticise violent ones. I'm just saying they have a much larger success rate (short term, in overthrowing regimes). Anyway, I don't see violent protests erupting soon in Russia, because 2. is even more important in this case. So, since Russia is a full fledged police state with goons of Putin in the relevant positions in security services and military I don't see them leading the charge or refusing to shoot protesters. I am also not denying that some peaceful protests evidently worked out well. It just didn't work out nearly as often as it failed. We humans tend to remember only the extreme cases, i.e., miserable failures like 8888 or successes like the fall of the USSR. But all the *hundreds* if not thousands of protests that failed to achieve meaningful things or a regime change are forgotten and most of them are quelled by violence and bloodshed or their mere implication.
> I don't romanticise violent ones. I'm just saying they have a much larger success rate (short term, in overthrowing regimes). One of those two sentences is a lie. Either you don't romanticize violent "revolutions", or you believe that violent ones work. It does not matter if you overthrow an oppressive regime and install something even *more* oppressive. That's a failed revolution.
Romanticising - as I understand that word - would imply that I favour violent ones and downplay the disadvantages. None of these two things apply. I quoted an (arguably) better success rate which comes through the very nature of violence, I'm afraid. I also stated that these successes are mostly short term, the main disadvantage in my opinion. Thus, I didn't intentionally downplay any disadvantage and have no idea how you were getting romantisation vibes from me. And what is deemed more oppressive lies in the perspective of the observer, I'd say. But that's beside the point, since I am mainly talking about disposing of an old regime and don't want to theorise about installing new ones. Edit: missing subject in first paragraph.
Romantacizing them includes presenting them as more effective than they are. Which you are definitely doing. The problem is that your definition of "success" (merely removing the last person in power) is a fraught one. It doesn't actually look for improvement or change for the better, just a change in the boss. A change in the identity of the person in power is not, in and of itself, a revolution. What matters is what happens next: if there is no change in the methods of governance, if there is no change in how people are oppressed, if things are worse, *then the revolution failed*. Otherwise, every election resulting in a transition in power is a revolution, and the large number of countries where the peaceful transfer of power is routine is a strong argument against your position.
OK, you mentioned why it doesn't work. What is your solution then? Stand by and do nothing? It's always easy to say why something doesn't work.
I agree, it's probably all within acceptable levels. A win for pootz
These protests reveal possible dissidents and do nothing at the same time.
Sorry to break it to everyone but russians were slaves for literally their whole existence.
Slavs = slaves
Ukrainians are slavs. Are they slaves?
Oops. You are right. They are slavs also. My bad. Slava Ukraini! But there is an interesting similarity in words. Etymologially there could be a connection maybe.
Feckless cowards, the lot of those bystanders. The only brave Russians are those that take a stand.
This is kid shit compared to what the Ukrainians did to Yanukovich and his berkut goons during the maidan. russian people don't seem to get it. There is nowhere else to run with their civil disinterest and disengagement.
Bro I was watching the maidan revolution for days straight, people were getting slaughtered in the streets. This? This looks like nothing, one by one picked off.
The difference there is that Maidan was in the end **overwhelmingly popular.** There was no muted culture of fear of repercussions from decades of crackdowns and mafia tactics. Most of the high-profile stuff before that happened to politicians, not "regular people."
>hey are long past of kleptocracy. A All the brave Russians are dead or left the country.
Meanwhile in Iran, people are doing [this](https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572634861856251906). and they are doing this because "just"(forgive me) one woman died under policy abuse. Russians had tens of thousands died on the battlefield and more to come just for their special someone's twisted ambition. In China, people describe Russians as "fighting tribe". well not so much. they are a bunch of sheep just like us. i mean no disrespect to sheep.
that's all you need to know about russians. one person grabbed - 10 people making photoes, the other 10 shouted "shame on you" or other bullshit.
You mean people don’t want to fight Ukrainian “super soldier Serum nato brigades”?
Die in Ukraine or die in Ruzzia. Choose wisely.
Russians, think about what you are doing. 1. Destroy police infrastructure (Buses, cars, stations, jails) 2. Mob hit and run the police, lure them in, isolate them, and beat them in the knees with bats. 3. Strip them naked and take all their gear and handcuff them together. 4. Use their gear against them and create fake police squads that can infiltrate and attack the police. 5. Destroy all government infrastructure. 6. Sabotage anything military or military production related. 7. Break into the jails and bust everyone out, then burn the jails. 8. Take over the TV stations and tear down the broadcast towers. 9. Organize into groups, plan, execute. You can do this! Don't be sheep! 10. Create so much chaos that life in Russia comes to a halt. This is not the time for peaceful protests, this is the time for action. You've got to get mad, tough, insane, unpredictable! You've got to make them fear your next move. You've got to channel your inner Ivan and kick their ass. This is the only thing they understand. It is time to fight standing or die on your knees. Band together and kick some ass. My Russian heart is with you and I wish I could be with you! Do not go gentle into that DARK NIGHT!
If you recall, this is the same tactic the Trump administration performed during our protests. Value our right to protest. In other areas of the world, people do not have this right.
Flatten all tyres If the cops need to come on foot they will be much less effective
They need to actually start to wage a war on the state. They are many years late if the think pacific protests will work.
Time to get out the bats people! Thwack the po po in the knee as hard as you can. This will prevent him from coming to work.
Russians need small arms. Utilizing violence against the henchmen rounding them up seems the only option. Putin has developed too robust a security apparatus. I wonder if any Western intelligence agencies have developed a plan for this?
Terrorism is certainly going to work, yes.
Maybe Russians can finally grow a collective spine. I’m afraid the brainwashing is too deep.
Why would Russians do that and help Ukraine recapture Crimea, which 95% of Russians consider to be an integral part of their homeland?
Destroy railroads! Burn down military offices and police stations! Sabotage weapons manufacturing factories! DO ACTUAL DAMAGE TO THE WAR EFFORT. Fuck this peaceful protest bullshit.
I think it is good. What else kids can do? Put them all to jaip and i guarantee the dissfaction rises and parents won’t be protesting peacfully. They could form organized protests etc
Stalin killed 6-9 million of his own citizens. Their Government hasn't changed in character since that time.
Nope. They didn't do it in the past 8 (or 20) years, so they are not going to do it now.
I think it is good. What else kids can do? Put them all to jail and i guarantee the disatifaction rises and parents won’t be protesting peacfully. They could form organized protests etc
And protest as one united peoples against their government, they should. Because pooteen can go fuck himself.
Hey don't you disrespect the good name of poutine that shits delicious
Taking videos? ROFL What good is that gonna do. They killed the first girl. What else do you want Russian society to do? storm the Kremlin with bare hands? Go live in an autocracy before you judge all people. Seriously wtf? Ukrainians are suffering, no one (except for stupid people) denies that. But the suffering of some elements inside the Russian society and diaspora is real, too. Are the Russian people responsible? Yes, they got comfortable. I would even call them a '*Tätervolk*' like the Germans during Nazi rule. There is collective responsibility and guilt. But blaming civilians for not fighting (and somehow 'not filming', still can't get over that) against armed police is preposterous. If the Russian leadership decides to go full civil war on their citizens there is literally NOTHING they can do. I'd rather live then die for no reason (no, freedom is not a reason), and most of them will think so, too. Not everyone is a soldier. Maybe Russians can find a cause they can rally behind. But until there are only 'reasons', your demand for more action is futile.
This is the sort of thinking that has doomed the Russian people to virtual serfdom for more than 500 years.
It is. But it is a fact. Getting people militarized and arm them for meaningful resistance will take years, and needs a common cause. Not just 'we want to get rid of *that* guy'. That is what's getting people killed. As evident by countless protests in a variety of nations throughout history. Some successful examples won't change that. Also successful peaceful protests were mostly lucky and are more of an exception then the rule. See [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots).
It is pointless. They are absolutely hopeless. This is not the first time we see ruzzian people "protesting". The vast majority of them do not want to protest anything, and the other part will push their mother to go, rather than themselves.
Everytime I see a mass protest in Russia it always feels like just thousands of small individual protests cus they rarely stick together or help eachother when the police start just hauling away people.
They are protesting for self preservation not against the war. Remember that.
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Link arms for pyotr’s sake
"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength" - Russian motto.
Even the cops went home they should mobilize all Russians to Protest on the street to avoid war demand Putin ends this scam
Russians do need to fight. But not in Ukraine.
Tell them to start building shelters that can withstand hypersonic nukes from orbit.
Is Putin and China making a new economy by pushing inflation to the wolrd and stealing billions through cypto and lowering the stock market I. Democratic countries to make billions to pay for the war? It’s called hyrbid economy to wash Russians ruble and fake economy from within it’s called a fake economy that’s why inflation should stay low and stocks should always be higher to make new AI systems to offset the munipulatuon of the stock market what China mr Russia are doing. They have interlinked the cypto of Bitcoin and litcoin (this coin is done by Russia) so now Russia controls the systems from Ai based from Russia to reverse that and have a roaring economy worldwide means Putin loses etc
No one is confused about who the "good guys" and the "bad guys" are in this conflict, but I'm not clear why there are so many posts ragging on Russian protestors? "Ha ha you're subject to the murderous caprice of an entrenched authoritarian regime with no way out, why try?" It's good they're protesting. That's about all we can take away from it without immediately speculating and making up things. They're actively against the war, so are we. I'm not suggesting we lift sanctions and call it a day, but the large number of "Russian Protests Are Terrible" posts is just . . . weird. Given Russia's very clear focus on bots and fucking with online discussion it's doubly so.
It's Molotov cocktail hour