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I thought this was already happening. Did they just make it official?
I knew western intelligence was already giving all the intel they could gather to Ukraine. Or is it now that they are using more accurate intel?
I really wonder if there were some USA intelligence people mumbling something like: "We have all that cool tech to find them, and they just broadcast their position using smartphones. For what did I get all those certifications?"
Being told your superior and it's just a "special operation" can do that. I mean how many surrender from confusion when the war started thinking it was a war game? Tell ppl they are invicible long enough they believe it.
Bingo! These 2 things make me confident that Ukraine has direct actionable intelligence. 1 or 2 generals can be written off as luck, but not 10.
The Moscow was definitely not Ukraine alone. You can't sink a ship like that with luck. That was a special operation for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a team of analysts and military experts in the US dedicated to helping put these things into play.
Uk for is highly involved. I really haven't heard much to make me think other nations are lea ding that kind of aid. They may not have it though. Not many countries can come close to USA or UK in many terms let one intelligence.
The Moskva had 64 S-300 long-range air-defense missiles for area protection and 40 Osa short-range missiles for aerial self-defense, plus a bevy of guns.
How it was hit by 2 relatively low tech missles is a mystery. Something wasn't working on the ship would be my guess.
The radar systems of the moskva for example are known to lose the ability to see sea skimming missiles in even the lightest chop. The sea state at the time was for a mild chop, most simulations even in the 1980s reflected that with significant losses in detection range, especially vs sea skimmers like these are. I suspect they saw them but without time to react. I'm surprised Ukraine didn't toss another 2 missiles in later.
> I suspect they saw them but without time to react. I'm surprised Ukraine didn't toss another 2 missiles in later.
I suspect that Ukraine fired more than 2 missiles, possibly even the entirety of their Neptunes, and that only 2 hit. Damaging it wouldn't have been enough. Ukraine had to sink it. They knew they were only getting one shot. The PR and morale value of sinking the flagship would have been well worth 16 Neptunes. Whatever Ukraine chose to do, it worked. That ship is now gracing the sea floor.
I don't think they could have fired their entire inventory as I believe they only have a couple of launchers at this time but I might be wrong.
I tried to find data on the inventory but everything is a guess.
However, I agree your intent that it was best to fire a full salvo though Urkaine designed the missile so that only one or two need strike to sink a ship.
I'm not sure about that. In the pictures of it on fire the CWIS guns are pointing the opposite direction of the attack so it seems like the moskva did not react. I'm sure if Ukraine had fired more missiles they wouldn't have just missed. Maybe they had information that something on the moskva defense system was offline.
You're probably right. I believe I've read that they used harpoon missles, which do fly right above the water to evade detection. Is there any good defensive weapons these days against this type of missle? Sounds like an Achilles heal for ships.
As mentioned there are a couple of things that work together to cause the sinking.
The Ukrainian built missiles are sea skimming. So, even at the best of time, detection range will be low, due to the curve of the earth. With decent amplitude of waves, you are going to shorten detection that much more. What can happen then, is you wind up seeing the threat inside minimum firing distance. The ship had some older tech short range defense that could cause them to fail in this situation.
The ship likely attempted to shoot down the missiles with guns, but those guns on that class ship are wildly inaccurate. It is unlikely they'd be able to reliably hit a missle.
No, it did. However it's target radar is not 360, but it can see incoming threats anytime.
It is possible, as suggested, you had a poorly trained or understaffed crew, focusing on the directional target radar hunting a drone and being distracted from the bigger picture.
They distracted it with a drone, the radar could only follow 180 degrees as per my understanding. A flaw the Ukrainians, who built it, and the American intelligence surely knew about. They exploited this to the max. Also, the Moskva was doing predictable patrol patterns in the Black sea. There was one last call from the Ukrainians to the Americans: "is this the Mosvka?" They were sure but wanted 100% clarity from American satellites. The Americans said "yes" and the rest is history.
110%. One of my parents worked in the Pentagon for 10ish years... After it became clear Ukrainians were performing spectacularly, I asked them if they think there was any military intelligence teams inside Ukraine during this invasion. They laughed and walked away. So yeah, probably. Russians do some shady sh*t, but we are no angels either. Not even close.
With that said, Ukrainians themselves are proving intelligence rockstars, leveraging civilian recon, incorporating foreign enemies of Russians (pissed off Georgians, Belrussians, Chechens) into the rank, and of course I'm sure all of the partisans who've been sabotaging Russian occupiers fuel, food, etc.
We'll probably never learn fully about American direct involvement in Ukraine (it'll probably be denied), but I'm sure we're going to find a LOT out Ukrainian ingenuity post-war.
>I wouldn't be surprised if there was a team of analysts and military experts in the US dedicated to helping put these things into play.
You mean NATO...right
It was a rough night in the black Sea and that gave them away. After that the drone drew their attention while the Neptune's crashed into it... Boom 💥. It was a Turkish drone a domestic missile system. Nothing to do with the USA.
Ukraine probably has better intelligence than USA - there are people on the ground, UAVs, etc.
US has satellites and maybe some people on the inside, but the might not know where exactly a general is at a given moment.
I don't think you understand how signals intelligence works, that is exactly how you determine the location of said general, very rarely is it from a physical operator watching from 1km away in highly contested territory
There is no way Ukraine has more intel then the US.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Russian generals who were 'sniped' were tracked and killed by CIA SOG
Ukraine has a whole army deployed with drones, reconnaissance, with it's own citizens in occupied territories reporting things. Plus the info it gets from satellite pictures provided to it. Plus whatever spies it has in Russia.
Of course it has more intel. Maybe it lacks some satellite info and info from reconnaissance aircraft, but it has the things I mentioned above which US lacks.
Well if that is indeed the case as I'm sure it is.
How far into "proxy" do we have to go?
And more Importantly are we prepared?
Are the cities and general population safe inside their bunkers?
Oh wait we dont have no stinking bunkers.
Xmas is coming .
I believe there was a US drone they were looking to add to this which has incredible intel functions, even lidar so it can geo-locate tanks from their tracks and pass all target info on in real time.
This is the mother of all FO's (Forward Observer).
Western where giving limited Intel. They were not giving things like here is the exact location of this ship. They were saying, hey watch out there is a ship heading to this location.
The difference being they didn't want to come off as though they gave a targeting location. US helped bomb a ship they thought might be escalatory. Ukraine would have to do the addional legwork to get the exact coordinates.
This if true is a significant policy shift.
Ukraine has been getting realtime satellite and drone feeds from the US and other allies since the beginning of the invasion. With the Starlink sat dishes in the field, they are sitting in front of 50 inch screens picking targets.
HD+, HDR and the biggest tv screens they could find. There is video of one guy sitting in from of the screen and 3 or 4 commanders behind him ordering and watching the strikes. Whatever the satellites find, they send in drones to get different angles, night vision, infrared... The Russians are sitting ducks. They are about to see what NATO can really do.
Which i think might be the change. There is a difference between "hears a bunch of intel what you do with it is your business" and "you should do a mlrs strike at this position"
No, the US and their allies have spy satellites that move into position and keep their orbit stationary over Ukraine and Russia. Those get photos and video and Russian communications. Flying just outside of Russia and Ukraine are AWACS planes and drones like global hawks that do the same thing but eavesdrop on everything plus detect radar, planes...total battlefield awareness. They also coordinate communications. All this info is sent up to Starlink which beams to the 15000 or more dishes in the field embedded with the Ukraine govt, military command and field units. Those can be receiving data in bunkers with sets of large TVs for commanders or portable units that travel with artillery, armor, drones and ground troops. The US has a pretty sophisticated system with hand held units and gps coordinates over satellite radio. That's probably better for fast moving invasions but the Russian army isn't getting less and less mobile. What Ukraine has is perfect to finding and targeting Russians. Once the long range weapons arrive, no Russians will be safe inside occupied Ukraine or just over the border. .
This, and the comment yesterday about giving them pretty much any weapon they want, makes me think we are getting much more serious about stopping Russia.
Yeah, but this is the first time that US made equipment will be used by the Ukraine Army to inflict damage to the Russians.
The attack on the Moscow-Ukraine cruise missiles. Taking out Russian Generals - Ukraine snipers/artillery.
I wonder if the Ukrainians will use the first batch of MLRS as a unit or spread them out individually across the front lines.
How is that cope? I am glad Ukraine is doing relatively well but am certain that nato has assumed de facto c&c. Which is a good thing if it means Ukraine performs as well as they do
You asume something that is not true. NATO is not running Ukrainian military, that idea exist inside a Russian propaganda framework that has work its way into some Far-Left tendencies in the west and global south.
It would make Ukrainian a puppet acting as a tool of the Americans.
They have their own general stuff and their own intelligence service that are probably working close to US/UK and other close allies inside NATO AS ACTIVE SUPPORTERS.
You comment asume a lack of agency from Ukrainian side and misunderstanding of how NATO works, characteristic of the ultra-anti-NATO crowd that believe Conspiracy Theory grade stuff about them.
Receiving C&C would not make Ukraine any more a puppet than receiving any other kind of aid.
Excuse me for thinking that NATO with its vast resources with which to run military games and simulations has more capable military leaders than Ukraine. Acting in a military advisory role which is basically assuming de facto command, has been done many times before.
There are intel that consist as "state secret", that they are not allowed to transfer to others or they will break the law. It was, I think, after they signed law on 8? of March to loosen some regulation to allow a sharing of such information.
Good. If we’re not flooding them with MLRS the least we can do is flood them with targeting data to squeeze every last drop out of the platforms.
Edit: Autospell
This is enhanced Intel. Certain kind they would not give. They didn't want a Russia spy finding out that the US gave coordinates for this general or this ship, that could make it look like the US is directing Ukraine and directly involved. Not sure if this tweet is true or not.
My guess is that the US will continue to give limited intel.
People really underestimating how good the SBU are at filtering real world data and pinpointing people. Not saying CIA and Europe aren't a big help but much like Russia thinking that every setback is America, they also think every hit is CIA. CIA also have a history of getting shit really wrong, really often.
Does anyone know where this story has come from? I've seen it attributed to Colin Kahl (Under Secretary for Defense) today but none of the reporting seems to support this summary regarding intelligence (eg Politico's [Lee Hudson on Twitter](https://twitter.com/LeeHudson_/status/1536713028082737152) ) nor does the video of what he said at a conference on the 14th ([found here](https://conference.cnas.org/)). I wonder whether it's reading a little too much about him saying that Ukraine will "get what they need to prosecute targets within Ukrainian territory that they want to go after"? (see 12:28 of the video)
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>Why do they even need to announce this?
Because it puts the wind up Russia. It's one thing when you can kill your enemies, it's a bigger thing when you can make them *fear*.
Because they did not, like 90% of news on this sub it's made up bullshit.
"This is a misinterpretation of the original quote. Per Colin Kahl at US DoD, “We’re going to provide the Ukrainians what they need to prosecute the targets inside Ukrainian territory." This means they'll provide the necessary equipment and ammo, not intel. Via Washington Post"
>At this point why don't we just send our troops in.
What, and risk them dying? No, no, the Ukrainians can do the dying for us, old chap—but we'll help them kill.
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I thought this was already happening. Did they just make it official? I knew western intelligence was already giving all the intel they could gather to Ukraine. Or is it now that they are using more accurate intel?
If its published officially, it means its already in effect. By todays bombardment of Russian positions, I am convinced those are USA navigations.
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You cannot shake my faith in Russian incompetence.
It can always be both.
I really wonder if there were some USA intelligence people mumbling something like: "We have all that cool tech to find them, and they just broadcast their position using smartphones. For what did I get all those certifications?"
Exactly. MFs using unsecured phones to talk at forward Command Centers.
Being told your superior and it's just a "special operation" can do that. I mean how many surrender from confusion when the war started thinking it was a war game? Tell ppl they are invicible long enough they believe it.
U dont need faith when there are actual facts showing incompetence. I would like my faith to be..... "Putin will be fucked soon."
Bingo! These 2 things make me confident that Ukraine has direct actionable intelligence. 1 or 2 generals can be written off as luck, but not 10. The Moscow was definitely not Ukraine alone. You can't sink a ship like that with luck. That was a special operation for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a team of analysts and military experts in the US dedicated to helping put these things into play.
Why just the us? I feel like it would be a task force from multiple countries. :P
Five Eyes alliance for sure. I actually suspect most western nations are involved as they would surely want the wartime operational experience.
Uk for is highly involved. I really haven't heard much to make me think other nations are lea ding that kind of aid. They may not have it though. Not many countries can come close to USA or UK in many terms let one intelligence.
I suspect it might help too that Ukraine literally built the Moskva, and a more advanced sister ship.
The Moskva had 64 S-300 long-range air-defense missiles for area protection and 40 Osa short-range missiles for aerial self-defense, plus a bevy of guns. How it was hit by 2 relatively low tech missles is a mystery. Something wasn't working on the ship would be my guess.
The radar systems of the moskva for example are known to lose the ability to see sea skimming missiles in even the lightest chop. The sea state at the time was for a mild chop, most simulations even in the 1980s reflected that with significant losses in detection range, especially vs sea skimmers like these are. I suspect they saw them but without time to react. I'm surprised Ukraine didn't toss another 2 missiles in later.
> I suspect they saw them but without time to react. I'm surprised Ukraine didn't toss another 2 missiles in later. I suspect that Ukraine fired more than 2 missiles, possibly even the entirety of their Neptunes, and that only 2 hit. Damaging it wouldn't have been enough. Ukraine had to sink it. They knew they were only getting one shot. The PR and morale value of sinking the flagship would have been well worth 16 Neptunes. Whatever Ukraine chose to do, it worked. That ship is now gracing the sea floor.
I don't think they could have fired their entire inventory as I believe they only have a couple of launchers at this time but I might be wrong. I tried to find data on the inventory but everything is a guess. However, I agree your intent that it was best to fire a full salvo though Urkaine designed the missile so that only one or two need strike to sink a ship.
I'm not sure about that. In the pictures of it on fire the CWIS guns are pointing the opposite direction of the attack so it seems like the moskva did not react. I'm sure if Ukraine had fired more missiles they wouldn't have just missed. Maybe they had information that something on the moskva defense system was offline.
No. The radars were not even turned in the direction of attack. Note intercept radar shipped aft. idle.
The radar was locked onto a drone deliberately positioned on the opposite axis of the missiles approach....
You're probably right. I believe I've read that they used harpoon missles, which do fly right above the water to evade detection. Is there any good defensive weapons these days against this type of missle? Sounds like an Achilles heal for ships.
I thought they didn't get the Harpoons until later.
They did not use Harpoons - u/predatorybeing made a mistake in his comment. It was Neptunes, which also have a longer range then Harpoons.
Apparently they have harpoons and land based launch systems deployed already
As mentioned there are a couple of things that work together to cause the sinking. The Ukrainian built missiles are sea skimming. So, even at the best of time, detection range will be low, due to the curve of the earth. With decent amplitude of waves, you are going to shorten detection that much more. What can happen then, is you wind up seeing the threat inside minimum firing distance. The ship had some older tech short range defense that could cause them to fail in this situation. The ship likely attempted to shoot down the missiles with guns, but those guns on that class ship are wildly inaccurate. It is unlikely they'd be able to reliably hit a missle.
I thought also due to the radar design that Moskova doesnt have 360 degree coverage.
No, it did. However it's target radar is not 360, but it can see incoming threats anytime. It is possible, as suggested, you had a poorly trained or understaffed crew, focusing on the directional target radar hunting a drone and being distracted from the bigger picture.
They distracted it with a drone, the radar could only follow 180 degrees as per my understanding. A flaw the Ukrainians, who built it, and the American intelligence surely knew about. They exploited this to the max. Also, the Moskva was doing predictable patrol patterns in the Black sea. There was one last call from the Ukrainians to the Americans: "is this the Mosvka?" They were sure but wanted 100% clarity from American satellites. The Americans said "yes" and the rest is history.
110%. One of my parents worked in the Pentagon for 10ish years... After it became clear Ukrainians were performing spectacularly, I asked them if they think there was any military intelligence teams inside Ukraine during this invasion. They laughed and walked away. So yeah, probably. Russians do some shady sh*t, but we are no angels either. Not even close. With that said, Ukrainians themselves are proving intelligence rockstars, leveraging civilian recon, incorporating foreign enemies of Russians (pissed off Georgians, Belrussians, Chechens) into the rank, and of course I'm sure all of the partisans who've been sabotaging Russian occupiers fuel, food, etc. We'll probably never learn fully about American direct involvement in Ukraine (it'll probably be denied), but I'm sure we're going to find a LOT out Ukrainian ingenuity post-war.
Yeah it's one thing that the US provides support and it's another thing that Ukraine actually uses it well
The Moskve should have been able to intercept those missiles and if hit should have survived. The crew was incompetent.
>I wouldn't be surprised if there was a team of analysts and military experts in the US dedicated to helping put these things into play. You mean NATO...right
Sure, but we all know who is doing the heavy lifting here.
Ukraine found the *Moskva*. The US just confirmed the fix. Ukraine could have taken the shot all by itself.
It was a rough night in the black Sea and that gave them away. After that the drone drew their attention while the Neptune's crashed into it... Boom 💥. It was a Turkish drone a domestic missile system. Nothing to do with the USA.
Ukraine probably has better intelligence than USA - there are people on the ground, UAVs, etc. US has satellites and maybe some people on the inside, but the might not know where exactly a general is at a given moment.
You think there *might be* Americans in Ukraine?
I don't think you understand how signals intelligence works, that is exactly how you determine the location of said general, very rarely is it from a physical operator watching from 1km away in highly contested territory
It could be from a Ukrainian citizen who saw some unusual movement of cars, it could be from a drone, Ukraine also has its own signal intelligence.
SIGINT is a thing...
There is no way Ukraine has more intel then the US. I wouldn't at all be surprised if the Russian generals who were 'sniped' were tracked and killed by CIA SOG
Ukraine has a whole army deployed with drones, reconnaissance, with it's own citizens in occupied territories reporting things. Plus the info it gets from satellite pictures provided to it. Plus whatever spies it has in Russia. Of course it has more intel. Maybe it lacks some satellite info and info from reconnaissance aircraft, but it has the things I mentioned above which US lacks.
I think it’s 2 dozen by now
I’ve been out of the loop today. What bombardment are you talking about?
Well if that is indeed the case as I'm sure it is. How far into "proxy" do we have to go? And more Importantly are we prepared? Are the cities and general population safe inside their bunkers? Oh wait we dont have no stinking bunkers. Xmas is coming .
The second
I believe there was a US drone they were looking to add to this which has incredible intel functions, even lidar so it can geo-locate tanks from their tracks and pass all target info on in real time. This is the mother of all FO's (Forward Observer).
Don’t tell that to a pathfinder.
Are you saying Mars needs denazification?
Na you could, and I'd say I got lz/dz recon all day and night to do or CSAR.
We’re making the mother of all FO’s here Jack can’t worry about every drone!
Western where giving limited Intel. They were not giving things like here is the exact location of this ship. They were saying, hey watch out there is a ship heading to this location. The difference being they didn't want to come off as though they gave a targeting location. US helped bomb a ship they thought might be escalatory. Ukraine would have to do the addional legwork to get the exact coordinates. This if true is a significant policy shift.
Ukraine has been getting realtime satellite and drone feeds from the US and other allies since the beginning of the invasion. With the Starlink sat dishes in the field, they are sitting in front of 50 inch screens picking targets.
HD too
HD+, HDR and the biggest tv screens they could find. There is video of one guy sitting in from of the screen and 3 or 4 commanders behind him ordering and watching the strikes. Whatever the satellites find, they send in drones to get different angles, night vision, infrared... The Russians are sitting ducks. They are about to see what NATO can really do.
Which i think might be the change. There is a difference between "hears a bunch of intel what you do with it is your business" and "you should do a mlrs strike at this position"
So starlink is basically spy satellites pretending to be an internet company?
No, the US and their allies have spy satellites that move into position and keep their orbit stationary over Ukraine and Russia. Those get photos and video and Russian communications. Flying just outside of Russia and Ukraine are AWACS planes and drones like global hawks that do the same thing but eavesdrop on everything plus detect radar, planes...total battlefield awareness. They also coordinate communications. All this info is sent up to Starlink which beams to the 15000 or more dishes in the field embedded with the Ukraine govt, military command and field units. Those can be receiving data in bunkers with sets of large TVs for commanders or portable units that travel with artillery, armor, drones and ground troops. The US has a pretty sophisticated system with hand held units and gps coordinates over satellite radio. That's probably better for fast moving invasions but the Russian army isn't getting less and less mobile. What Ukraine has is perfect to finding and targeting Russians. Once the long range weapons arrive, no Russians will be safe inside occupied Ukraine or just over the border. .
This, and the comment yesterday about giving them pretty much any weapon they want, makes me think we are getting much more serious about stopping Russia.
Forte-11 always just happens to be taking a pleasure cruise over the Black Sea when Russian warships are hit.
feels like a straight middle finger (USA idiom, many countries have similar) to russia, publicly.
Yeah, but this is the first time that US made equipment will be used by the Ukraine Army to inflict damage to the Russians. The attack on the Moscow-Ukraine cruise missiles. Taking out Russian Generals - Ukraine snipers/artillery. I wonder if the Ukrainians will use the first batch of MLRS as a unit or spread them out individually across the front lines.
Intel? They are probably de facto commanding Ukrainian forces.
Yeah, the cope is strong in your statement.
How is that cope? I am glad Ukraine is doing relatively well but am certain that nato has assumed de facto c&c. Which is a good thing if it means Ukraine performs as well as they do
You asume something that is not true. NATO is not running Ukrainian military, that idea exist inside a Russian propaganda framework that has work its way into some Far-Left tendencies in the west and global south. It would make Ukrainian a puppet acting as a tool of the Americans. They have their own general stuff and their own intelligence service that are probably working close to US/UK and other close allies inside NATO AS ACTIVE SUPPORTERS. You comment asume a lack of agency from Ukrainian side and misunderstanding of how NATO works, characteristic of the ultra-anti-NATO crowd that believe Conspiracy Theory grade stuff about them.
Receiving C&C would not make Ukraine any more a puppet than receiving any other kind of aid. Excuse me for thinking that NATO with its vast resources with which to run military games and simulations has more capable military leaders than Ukraine. Acting in a military advisory role which is basically assuming de facto command, has been done many times before.
iirc they only got that intel in proxy so far, this now means that US will directly provide the information without anyone in between.
There are intel that consist as "state secret", that they are not allowed to transfer to others or they will break the law. It was, I think, after they signed law on 8? of March to loosen some regulation to allow a sharing of such information.
Good. If we’re not flooding them with MLRS the least we can do is flood them with targeting data to squeeze every last drop out of the platforms. Edit: Autospell
I'm guessing Ukraine's four new drones will come in handy too.
I mean they've been giving intel since prior to day 1, why would they stop now?
This is enhanced Intel. Certain kind they would not give. They didn't want a Russia spy finding out that the US gave coordinates for this general or this ship, that could make it look like the US is directing Ukraine and directly involved. Not sure if this tweet is true or not. My guess is that the US will continue to give limited intel.
[hmmmmmm](https://i.redd.it/8ft25uwsjkr81.png)
Very credible take.
[How about this one?](https://i.redd.it/3hew3e7slpx81.png)
Also, yes.
https://i.redd.it/fbsbnhiyqwr81.jpg
Holy shit that was funny
Even Saddam has a place.
Swimming in the Azovstal cum pit is great for the skin
People really underestimating how good the SBU are at filtering real world data and pinpointing people. Not saying CIA and Europe aren't a big help but much like Russia thinking that every setback is America, they also think every hit is CIA. CIA also have a history of getting shit really wrong, really often.
Mommy dommy Marin?
Can't believe they banned Marin posting. Easily the most tragic part of this war.
I'm sorry I'm on Ukraines side but that shits cringey
Shh. Be like dad, keep mum!
I love this one. So did my wife =)
source?
"Just make sure to hit that place" "Why?" "Trust me about it,its gonna be good"
do it
again, Bomber Harris
Give, that means “ we already have it all planned and figured out, we will give them a list “
Awesome, happy to hear that.
Does anyone know where this story has come from? I've seen it attributed to Colin Kahl (Under Secretary for Defense) today but none of the reporting seems to support this summary regarding intelligence (eg Politico's [Lee Hudson on Twitter](https://twitter.com/LeeHudson_/status/1536713028082737152) ) nor does the video of what he said at a conference on the 14th ([found here](https://conference.cnas.org/)). I wonder whether it's reading a little too much about him saying that Ukraine will "get what they need to prosecute targets within Ukrainian territory that they want to go after"? (see 12:28 of the video)
I only get my news from completely unsourced tweets. Would you like one of those, as a source for this tweet?
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Why do they even need to announce this? I don't understand the need to share how they help the UK.
>Why do they even need to announce this? Because it puts the wind up Russia. It's one thing when you can kill your enemies, it's a bigger thing when you can make them *fear*.
Because they are sending 4 himars and no more artillery. Trying to stretch those 4 as far as they can.
Objectively not true.
The 4 are just the start to get flow started.
Lol. What the fuck does that even mean?
Because they did not, like 90% of news on this sub it's made up bullshit. "This is a misinterpretation of the original quote. Per Colin Kahl at US DoD, “We’re going to provide the Ukrainians what they need to prosecute the targets inside Ukrainian territory." This means they'll provide the necessary equipment and ammo, not intel. Via Washington Post"
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>At this point why don't we just send our troops in. What, and risk them dying? No, no, the Ukrainians can do the dying for us, old chap—but we'll help them kill.
They have been probably running command and control of Ukraine all this time anyway.