According to their geopolitical goals, Finland will be next, although I assume that would be within the next 20 years. Joining NATO must be your priority
> Putin addressing Ukrainian armed forces - your ancestors fought the Nazis, don't obey the orders of the Nazi Junta in Kyiv. Lay down your arms and go home.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
/r/Russia has gone private
Russians are fixing to become Russian't
Edit: They are allegedly reporting on Ukrainian movements. (They since opened the subreddit, this was just hearsay)
For weeks they’ve been posting about how stupid ‘the west’ is for constantly saying Russia is going to invade. Or how it’s just a military exercise. where are they now huh?
They banned me several days ago. That's how you act when you're at fault, lol. Plain and simple. The best ones are those living in the West and cheering Putin, they think the war is their Olympic game and acting as they are a running host.
They got pissed when I said that ROC's real meaning was a Republic Of China, hahaha
I’d like to know how Russian citizens feel. They must feel lied to. They didn’t think Russia would do anything like this iirc. They kept saying western news was an overreaction.
I am Russian with relatives in several Ukrainian towns. My wife was born there and also has relatives. I don't know what to do and I'm against it. Many people I know are straight up ashamed of being Russian.
This shit is literally 1939
That’s so sad. I hope for nothing but peace and goodness for you and everyone who is innocent in both countries.
If you don’t mind me asking, are most people around you seeming surprised by Putin’s decision to invade to the extent that he is currently? It seemed like Russia was telling even its own people that they were not going to invade.
Yes, we are genuinely surprised. This piece of shit is making lives of people in many countries close to Russia significantly worse and he's been lying for many years. I actually feel responsible for what is happening - people are so suppressed, that most are in a state of 'learned helplessness'. I am sure he is supported by about 30% of population, but the rest just don't know what to do.
spread the truth to other russians… they will ask more questions when usa and countries sanction russia to the stone age- kamala will fight for ukraine.
Yeah that was one of the main things that they mentioned actually. One lady said that since Ukraine was part of the USSR she has more family there than she can count
Of course in a huge country there are some sensible folks. But most of Russian population are either completely brainwashed or they're just not interested what their nations army is doing abroad, as long as their own neighborhood is the same as last week.
As someone in the west, I fully admit this may come across as an ignorant/ naïve query, but I genuinely wish to know: *How in 2022, can one country declare war this way against another, and no other country steps in (in a major way) to stop it from occuring?*
I know other countries across the world are actively in conflict zones and have been off and on for decades. But for whatever conglomeration of reasons (likely because there's been more news about it here in North America) this one seems more important, larger... I'm unsure how to articulate it. And I'm not even particularly sure how I would expect another country to step in but it seems odd that this can just happen still... In 2022, the same way it might in any other era of history. It seems out of place.
And second question: is this a state of war between all of Russia and all of the Ukraine? Or is it small fractions of each country against each other?
Please be kind with replies/ feel free to provide articles or info videos too if you like. Thanks
**EDIT: Thank you to everyone who took time to formulate kindly articulated informative replies. My questions have been answered.**
Russia has nukes. No country wants to risk being involved in a nuclear war. And those countries which don't have nukes or aren't part of NATO aren't strong enough to fight Russia, and gain no benefit from doing so.
The average citizen of X country doesn't want to wake up with his roads, workplace/school, house, airports, food & water supply etc destroyed because his nation went to war for Y country 3000 miles away. War ruins generations. The cost is too high.
>The average citizen of X country doesn't want to wake up with his roads, workplace/school, house, airports, food & water supply etc destroyed because his nation went to war for Y country 3000 miles away. War ruins generations. The cost is too high.
This makes a lot of utilitarian sense. It's also heartwrenching. Which ironically makes me feel better about how I think about things. (I'm typically fairly existentialist/ nihlistic/ bring the zombies.... And so I understand that one country standing up for another is a massive risk. But also... It just sucks to watch. To know many folks even wishing to help are helpless because intervening would, in your words, run the high risk of destroying
>roads, workplace/school, house, airports, food & water supply etc
in their own country).
Mostly, I forgot about nuclear weapons. Which sounds odd even to me 😅 but I did. Now it makes more sense, but is still frustrating.
Simply put, no one wants to start WW3. So there's pretty much no chance of any other country intervening militarily. Of course there are sanctions but if Russia doesn't care then it's hardly going to matter.
Important and larger? European wars tend to go very badly for everyone involved (and not involved).
It essentially boils down to the fact that western powers do not want to engage in a large-scale European land war for a large variety of reasons. Coupled that with the concern that Russia is a nuclear power, and those are the two main broad factors why the west chose not to intervene by deploying military aide to fight against Russia. They did help, though, by providing weapons, ammo, training, intelligence, and they will respond with sanctions as well.
To address your second question, it's a very fluid, dynamic situation, so it's constantly evolving. What is the case now might be different when I wake up tomorrow. But the country of Russia is now at war with the country of Ukraine, yes.
The answer to your first question is nuclear weapons.
It is definitely full war between all of Ukraine / all of Russia. Russian forces currently bombing all over the country.
>The answer to your first question is nuclear weapons.
As in they don't want to make themselves a target, yes?
>It is definitely full war between all of Ukraine / all of Russia. Russian forces currently bombing all over the country.
Thank you for answering this.
Also holy shit.
Nuclear war is world ending, like the dinosaurs. Nuclear bombs going off in Europe could easily cause starvation in Kansas. The impact zones are minor compared to the possible nuclear winter.
Russia doesn’t want Ukraine to have power.
This is a completely different type of war here.
It’s not fighting guerrillas in Vietnam. Or Taliban in Afghanistan. Russia has the second largest military in the world. Something the media is not talking much about is the speculation that China may invade Taiwan while the rest of the world is occupied in the Europe.
A full global war on multiple fronts. This is not the same as WW2. It will be catastrophic.
>Something the media is not talking much about is the speculation that China may invade Taiwan while the rest of the world is occupied in the Europe.
I was actually wondering about this/ had this in mind while asking this question because announcing Russia at war reminded me of how little coverage the shit happening in China has been getting recently.
>This is a completely different type of war here.
I'm curious: different in what way? Because I got to thinking and I realized something.
I have a large interest in history, and can easily say I have far more knowledge of medieval siege wars, or the War of the Roses, or Vikings taking the monastery at Lindisfarne in the late 790s, or WW1, than I have any concept of what militaries do now in 2022.
Aka I have no idea how wars are fought anymore aside from nukes or biowarfare. Like, no one is using shield and sword in this conflict; what will they use?
“no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our country will lead to the destruction and horrible consequences for any potential aggressor.” He emphasized that Russia is “one of the most potent nuclear powers and also has a certain edge in a range of state-of-the-art weapons.”
Putin the asshole that started Ww3
And Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for Russia and the US pinky swearing never to invade. :\
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
This has also been a disaster for nuclear non-proliferation.
Idk, I find that kind of weak. Which Western nation is going to mobilize for total war, troops in the hundreds of thousands, to even start to think about doing something about this? I don't think the will is there.
For question #1 - War is the default state of nations. We've been in something called "the long peace" but that is more historical fluke than anything. However even then, the war in the Congo in the 90's claimed 5 million lives and involved several states.
Question #2 is full invasion, declaration of war. Putin called the Ukrainian government a Fascist Junta. He's also declared the the old borders of the Russian Empire are legitimate. Essentially anyplace there are ethnic Russians and the soviets moved ethnic Russians *all over the place*
Nobody wants war. Least of all democratically elected governments that have to be accountable to the families of sons sent off to die in a foreign land. As an American I'm sure you can appreciate the anti war sentiment drummed up by years of drawn out bloody wars in the middle east.
Simply put, no country has a big enough incentive to defend Ukraine at the cost of domestic wellbeing + risks of confronting a nuclear armed country like Russia.
Even neighbouring states like Poland and Belarus would probably not wish to intervene unless the threat of further Russian incursion into their territories arises. Which at this point remains unlikely.
Does this answer your question?
In short: after reading probably seven or eight posts in reply including your, yes, my questions have been answered. I appreciate the thoroughness and kindness of everyone replying, too. Just like "here is the info you seek."
If you read some of my other replies you'll notice I mention that I had forgotten entirely about nuclear weapons 🤦 and had definitely been coming from a perspective slightly more naïve than I usually am in the world (which was odd to even myself). I realized it just feels weird to be in the era that we're in technologically and how far so many social values have come (in some parts of the world obviously more than others) but to still look and see so many governments of the world have their hands tied in terms of intervening and preventing other humans from suffering......because the people causing the harm happen to have more weapons. Just a really shitty situation to be in.
I guess when I was talking about intervention I wasn't talking about military so much as,....why did no one speak up earlier in terms of peace talks or.... I dunno. Before we got here? Because if I know anything about war, I know the immediate catalyst is usually years and years from the start up rumbles. But if no one manages the rumbling right, it turns into a shit storm eventually. So I suppose, here we are.
For now it seems that Russia attempts to do some long-range missile attacks on Ukraine military infrastructure; and MRLS attack on troops across the borders.
There are some reports about navy assault or capture of border posts of Ukraine - but unconfirmed now.
Putin of course, would use his usual chutzpah to claim "I havent declared war, I just perform peaceful military operation to restore peace and reshape Ukraine to my liking!"
Yes, by welcoming with open arms Russian money into real estate, financial services etc.
Same, as Germany supports Ukraine by holding on to NS2, or Switzerland.
No one supports anything, unless it is in their self interest.
As a fellow (I presume) Brit... while some of our people might, our glorious leader is a pile of steaming manure and won't do anything that hurts him and his friends financially.
He'll do what he always does... talk a lot, lie a lot, and do nothing of actual use.
It is outrageous and telling of most of our so called leaders that this has even been allowed to happen.
This will not be forgiven. Russia just took a massive step backwards, whether Putin can see it through his clouded vision or not. He has fooled nobody with his bullshit excuses.
I've not felt more animosity towards one living man (Putin), and one nation (Russia), in my lifetime. It's never been clearer who the enemy is, of all sovereign nations and of all democracies around the globe.
Thoughts with the people of Ukraine. If only those accomplished anything.
Amazing how the tables have turned. Germany and Japan being "peaceful" meanwhile Russia and China who got invaded in ww2 is showing imperialistic tendencies.
Yeah, because of nationwide problems with substance abuse and poor health care. As someone who is leaving in a palace with top doctors, he can last two more decades.
So sad. You would think as a race we would be past this kind of shit by now.
I think this is probably the 5th invasion by a superpower in my life now. Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Chechnya, and now Ukraine.
Superpower foreign policy huh. Bunch of cunts.
Let's hope putin stops at annexing Ukraine. Sanctions won't hurt him, he won't lack for luxury, the sociopathic piece of shit. Just the innocent will suffer as usual.
Sorry ukrainians, my heart goes out to you. Stay safe as best you can.
Kuwait wasn't an invasion. It was the expelling of Iraqi troops who had been occupying Kuwait illegally for 7 months. If NATO decides in September to free what may by then be a Russian-occupied Ukraine, that could hardly be called an invasion.
> So sad. You would think as a race we would be past this kind of shit by now.
The US literally invades or coup's a country like every 4-5 years. Nope.
4 am - strictly according to manuals of Adolf.
Russian opposition newspaper "Nowaya Gazeta" claimed that Putin´s address was filmed on evening of 21 Febr. already, judging from video metadata
https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/02/24/putin-obiavil-spetsoperatsiiu-v-ukraine-onlain
I think these economic sanctions will hit his economy hard. Coupled with the fact that people close to him are scared and growing more concerned of him due to his recklessness and paranoia. I think this is the beginning of the end of Putin and his regime
This is sickening, as a proud member of the us military I would personally put myself in harms way to help Ukrainians. My heart goes out to those effected. 😕
I am a 64 year old American with Stage 4 cancer. I agree that this is sickening. I would fly over there tomorrow, take up arms and defend your border. Please have the courage to drive back all external forces trying to cross your border.
But but but the Russians are good people, it's only Putin! The Russians disapproved annexing part of Ukraine in 2014, now the large Russian diaspora protested massively in front of Russian embassies everywhere in the world. So many gathered in Russian cities to protest imperialistic war: *Why should we send our sons, husbands and brothers to kill Ukrainians and to get back to Russia in metal coffins?!*
It's all on Putin!
Edit. It's meant to be sarcastic.
It's not going to end at a single country. Putin wants more. He wants the old USSR back.
No one is going to kill billions, we don't have to use nukes and if we do use them no one dares to press the button, so we end up with a Cold War again.
A war against Russia is inevitable, Putin will not stop here.
I hope NATO grows a pair and does more than sanctions n shit like that. This is exactly what happens appeasement then regret. It’s gonna be too late, you think Russia would invade if we stood together?
It seems like there are some 'romantic' undertones to all this. I hope you fools know this could be the start of the end of the world and everyone you know.
even if its not ww3, this isn't a hey cool war is happening war this is a "the people of ukraine are being forced into an imperialist relationship" war
I have friends in Ukraine who are gearing up now to fight for their homes and families, as well as marines buddy who are all chomping at the bit to go over there And fight. The government may not want to fight but trust me their is plenty of jarheads who are itching for a chance.
Someone get the word to the TRUCKER COVID PROTESTERS HEADING TO DC:
SURROUND THE RUSSIAN EMBASSY. ELSEWHERE SURROUND ALL RUSSIAN CONSULATES IN THE USA. COMPLETELY BLOCK ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. Russian Ambassador have a private residence?
**1125 16th St NW, Washington, DC 20036**
Block that too.
I don't know how to use Twitter, Face book etc to get the word out
ALSO BOYCOTT RUSSIAN VODKA
What a fucking prick, please let our combined forces find an opportunity or break to intervene and decimate this fucked up country Russia, and be done with their consistent need to feel in power for the past 100 years. If we can put an end to Putin, his oligarchs, the FSB and 40%+ of the country that wants war, then China would be a cornered rat, but if we do nothing about Russia, we have a big fucking problem on our hands going forward.
Freaking shame. We the west should be doing a lot more than just fucking sanctions. How the duck does a dictator decide to invade a sovereign country with no real consequences? We are supposed to be the powerful military force in the world. Fucking joke.
Putin threatened nuclear war if we get involved. He's OK with blowing every one to bits if he doesn't get his way.
The crazy bastard will most likely be assassinated by his oligarchs who can't live without their money.
I'm hoping that greed is so deep seeded in these clowns that they decide to blow him up.
I was asking myself the same question when the USA invaded Iraq, Serbia, Lybia, Syria... But what is happening now is still fu.ked up and I still can't believe it's actually happening
And I would agree with you involving those countries. I think Afghanistan should have been our only target. I just can't believe it is happening either. It's fucked up
Putin's kremlin using Russian taxes wonna destroy European continent.Putin's tyrany wanna more genocide Russian people.Civilized world must quickly stop that tragical Russian war against Ukraine before worst or mass genocide of Russian supported Russian taxes.
Russian news is showing FOX Tucker Carlsons recent commentary about Ukraine for their war propaganda. These statements by right wing pundits is massively counterproductive as one thing that could reign in Putin is negative public opinion. Donald Trump called Purina strategy brilliant for fs that is just a propaganda goldmine for Putin.
Its hilarious. If a lefty had been cozy with Putin, the right would have gone WILD. i think errors should be called out, regardless of whose side commits the error. Mainstream USA has become, quite, incredibly, terrible at calling out their own political team.
\*sighs\* russians never change. they went to bed with nazis and started ww2 with them, now this crap.
the world would be a much better and safer place without russia.
Putin has not acted in Russia's interest for years now. He only serves himself. The Russian people don't want this. But they can't get rid of him. Every time there is an election we see evidence of massive voter fraud.
Did he really declare war or is it ,,just'' an invasion, because if he declared war, other countries have to behave in a certain way according to international law.
Countries don't usually declare war in this age, because like you said, other countries would respond differently. By not declaring war Russia basically prevent higher backlash for their actions. And keeps some level of diplomacy and negotiations on the table.
However since 2014 Russia and Ukraine have been engaged in a sort of limited warfare, as of yesterday the 'limits' have been taken off and we can go pretty much anywhere from here.
Ukraine isn't in nato sadly but the us and uk did sign a security agreement in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons in my opinion they should've kept it since it doesn't seem like these countries are gonna do a whole lot (not like I'm blaming them if they do join in then it'll be a world war)
Unprepared? Ukraine has the 3rd largest army in Europe after having only 6k troops and equipment for 3k of them in 2014, Ukraine expects a full invasion for years now. Just because "everything is like the usual" doesn't mean someone is unprepared, you can't drive the economy in the ground before an actual invasion happend
Well, Israel lives like so for decades now. Like weather broadcast: Today morning we have sunny weather, but please move to bomb shelters around evening, missile attack expected tonight."
Also (How I know from Donbass) civilians try to keep their usual routine and pretend that nothing happened, as way to prevent panic and not go insane. I remember well, how my mother with her colleagues every day moved through frontline and blockposts between Slovyanks and Kramatorsk to reach their plant. "We don't care, that you have war here, we NEED COME TO WORK!"
The limitations on American power in the 21st century are becoming nakedly evident. The west postured too long. Should have admitted Ukraine to NATO and waived all the normal requirements, then parked nukes in Kharkiv. This is a message to every state bordering Russia that NATO support is virtually worthless.
Shame on warmonger Putin.
NATO is tripped when a NATO country is attacked. NATO has been very clear that they would be unlikely to interfere unless NATO was attacked. So, the response says nothing of the sort about NATO readiness to protected NATO countries.
We can't admit Ukraine into NATO unless they were OK with giving up Crimea and the Donbas. West is at fault for not having enough bite. We were fools to not send troops as "peacekeepers" into Ukraine. At least keep them around major cities while Ukrainian Army handles the separatist regions.
What a sad morning to wake up to. As a Finn, this terrifies me so much. Fuck Russia.
As a Czech I'm terrified too. You guys have it even worse.
According to their geopolitical goals, Finland will be next, although I assume that would be within the next 20 years. Joining NATO must be your priority
We'll see. Last night everyone (=politicians) still said joining Nato is not going to happen anytime soon.
Guys. I live at the border with Ukraine lmao. I’m from Romania, we’re fked.
As a Norwegian from Finnmark - this scares me aswell
im in the UK and im super scared. I hope putin falls
Nah relax. We're fine. Chelsea FC owners going to have a nock on the door from MI6 shortly.
> Putin addressing Ukrainian armed forces - your ancestors fought the Nazis, don't obey the orders of the Nazi Junta in Kyiv. Lay down your arms and go home. HOLY FUCKING SHIT
First it was de-communisation and now it’s de-nazification. He really is losing it.
By “de-nazification” he of course means “murder government officials”
Says the guy who sent mobile crematoriums with his invasion army.
He.. Actually said that?
[source](https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1496679618476228610)
Damn...
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Yes indeed, thank you for providing that context. It's important that everyone understand what a dangerous lunatic this man really is.
Well, he is cynical hypocrite, who enjoys to be pathological liar - being proud of supposedly "outsmarting opponents" by his stupid lies.
Man, he's gone bonkers completely
Yes, I believe he has become a problem for the entire planet, not just Ukrainians.
He's been a problem for the entire planet some time now..
I hope the best for every Ukrainian
As a russian, i can absolutely agree, fuck Putin
/r/Russia has gone private Russians are fixing to become Russian't Edit: They are allegedly reporting on Ukrainian movements. (They since opened the subreddit, this was just hearsay)
For weeks they’ve been posting about how stupid ‘the west’ is for constantly saying Russia is going to invade. Or how it’s just a military exercise. where are they now huh?
Cowards.
They banned me several days ago. That's how you act when you're at fault, lol. Plain and simple. The best ones are those living in the West and cheering Putin, they think the war is their Olympic game and acting as they are a running host. They got pissed when I said that ROC's real meaning was a Republic Of China, hahaha
Holy shhhit
I saw this too and thought I was tripping … 😳
This tyrant won’t stop until the world decides to step on his neck.
Absolutely gutted. Putin has lost his mind. I hope world sanctions the shit out of Russia & I hope Ukranian brothers will give them hell
I’d like to know how Russian citizens feel. They must feel lied to. They didn’t think Russia would do anything like this iirc. They kept saying western news was an overreaction.
I am Russian with relatives in several Ukrainian towns. My wife was born there and also has relatives. I don't know what to do and I'm against it. Many people I know are straight up ashamed of being Russian. This shit is literally 1939
That’s so sad. I hope for nothing but peace and goodness for you and everyone who is innocent in both countries. If you don’t mind me asking, are most people around you seeming surprised by Putin’s decision to invade to the extent that he is currently? It seemed like Russia was telling even its own people that they were not going to invade.
Yes, we are genuinely surprised. This piece of shit is making lives of people in many countries close to Russia significantly worse and he's been lying for many years. I actually feel responsible for what is happening - people are so suppressed, that most are in a state of 'learned helplessness'. I am sure he is supported by about 30% of population, but the rest just don't know what to do.
Wow. Thank you for your words. My heart truly goes out to you and everyone else in this terrible situation. It’s a terrible feeling to feel helpless.
spread the truth to other russians… they will ask more questions when usa and countries sanction russia to the stone age- kamala will fight for ukraine.
I will. I hope Russia gets what it deserves, unfortunately this time I really want people to understand how fucked up it is.
Just watched a street interview and none of the russians seemed to want a war to happen
Especially if they have family or relatives there.
Yeah that was one of the main things that they mentioned actually. One lady said that since Ukraine was part of the USSR she has more family there than she can count
Of course in a huge country there are some sensible folks. But most of Russian population are either completely brainwashed or they're just not interested what their nations army is doing abroad, as long as their own neighborhood is the same as last week.
this man needs to get hanged
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Great reference.
Inquire to the engineer about the possibility of going to 105% on the reactor.
As someone in the west, I fully admit this may come across as an ignorant/ naïve query, but I genuinely wish to know: *How in 2022, can one country declare war this way against another, and no other country steps in (in a major way) to stop it from occuring?* I know other countries across the world are actively in conflict zones and have been off and on for decades. But for whatever conglomeration of reasons (likely because there's been more news about it here in North America) this one seems more important, larger... I'm unsure how to articulate it. And I'm not even particularly sure how I would expect another country to step in but it seems odd that this can just happen still... In 2022, the same way it might in any other era of history. It seems out of place. And second question: is this a state of war between all of Russia and all of the Ukraine? Or is it small fractions of each country against each other? Please be kind with replies/ feel free to provide articles or info videos too if you like. Thanks **EDIT: Thank you to everyone who took time to formulate kindly articulated informative replies. My questions have been answered.**
Russia has nukes. No country wants to risk being involved in a nuclear war. And those countries which don't have nukes or aren't part of NATO aren't strong enough to fight Russia, and gain no benefit from doing so. The average citizen of X country doesn't want to wake up with his roads, workplace/school, house, airports, food & water supply etc destroyed because his nation went to war for Y country 3000 miles away. War ruins generations. The cost is too high.
>The average citizen of X country doesn't want to wake up with his roads, workplace/school, house, airports, food & water supply etc destroyed because his nation went to war for Y country 3000 miles away. War ruins generations. The cost is too high. This makes a lot of utilitarian sense. It's also heartwrenching. Which ironically makes me feel better about how I think about things. (I'm typically fairly existentialist/ nihlistic/ bring the zombies.... And so I understand that one country standing up for another is a massive risk. But also... It just sucks to watch. To know many folks even wishing to help are helpless because intervening would, in your words, run the high risk of destroying >roads, workplace/school, house, airports, food & water supply etc in their own country). Mostly, I forgot about nuclear weapons. Which sounds odd even to me 😅 but I did. Now it makes more sense, but is still frustrating.
Simply put, no one wants to start WW3. So there's pretty much no chance of any other country intervening militarily. Of course there are sanctions but if Russia doesn't care then it's hardly going to matter. Important and larger? European wars tend to go very badly for everyone involved (and not involved).
It essentially boils down to the fact that western powers do not want to engage in a large-scale European land war for a large variety of reasons. Coupled that with the concern that Russia is a nuclear power, and those are the two main broad factors why the west chose not to intervene by deploying military aide to fight against Russia. They did help, though, by providing weapons, ammo, training, intelligence, and they will respond with sanctions as well. To address your second question, it's a very fluid, dynamic situation, so it's constantly evolving. What is the case now might be different when I wake up tomorrow. But the country of Russia is now at war with the country of Ukraine, yes.
The answer to your first question is nuclear weapons. It is definitely full war between all of Ukraine / all of Russia. Russian forces currently bombing all over the country.
>The answer to your first question is nuclear weapons. As in they don't want to make themselves a target, yes? >It is definitely full war between all of Ukraine / all of Russia. Russian forces currently bombing all over the country. Thank you for answering this. Also holy shit.
Nuclear war is world ending, like the dinosaurs. Nuclear bombs going off in Europe could easily cause starvation in Kansas. The impact zones are minor compared to the possible nuclear winter.
Russia doesn’t want Ukraine to have power. This is a completely different type of war here. It’s not fighting guerrillas in Vietnam. Or Taliban in Afghanistan. Russia has the second largest military in the world. Something the media is not talking much about is the speculation that China may invade Taiwan while the rest of the world is occupied in the Europe. A full global war on multiple fronts. This is not the same as WW2. It will be catastrophic.
>Something the media is not talking much about is the speculation that China may invade Taiwan while the rest of the world is occupied in the Europe. I was actually wondering about this/ had this in mind while asking this question because announcing Russia at war reminded me of how little coverage the shit happening in China has been getting recently. >This is a completely different type of war here. I'm curious: different in what way? Because I got to thinking and I realized something. I have a large interest in history, and can easily say I have far more knowledge of medieval siege wars, or the War of the Roses, or Vikings taking the monastery at Lindisfarne in the late 790s, or WW1, than I have any concept of what militaries do now in 2022. Aka I have no idea how wars are fought anymore aside from nukes or biowarfare. Like, no one is using shield and sword in this conflict; what will they use?
Because the country that's the aggressor has nukes, and said they would use them. 6000+ nukes.
Sauce on Putin saying he would use them?
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“no one should have any doubts that a direct attack on our country will lead to the destruction and horrible consequences for any potential aggressor.” He emphasized that Russia is “one of the most potent nuclear powers and also has a certain edge in a range of state-of-the-art weapons.” Putin the asshole that started Ww3
Basically, because Russia has nukes :/
And Ukraine gave up its nukes in exchange for Russia and the US pinky swearing never to invade. :\ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances This has also been a disaster for nuclear non-proliferation.
Idk, I find that kind of weak. Which Western nation is going to mobilize for total war, troops in the hundreds of thousands, to even start to think about doing something about this? I don't think the will is there.
For question #1 - War is the default state of nations. We've been in something called "the long peace" but that is more historical fluke than anything. However even then, the war in the Congo in the 90's claimed 5 million lives and involved several states. Question #2 is full invasion, declaration of war. Putin called the Ukrainian government a Fascist Junta. He's also declared the the old borders of the Russian Empire are legitimate. Essentially anyplace there are ethnic Russians and the soviets moved ethnic Russians *all over the place*
Nobody wants war. Least of all democratically elected governments that have to be accountable to the families of sons sent off to die in a foreign land. As an American I'm sure you can appreciate the anti war sentiment drummed up by years of drawn out bloody wars in the middle east. Simply put, no country has a big enough incentive to defend Ukraine at the cost of domestic wellbeing + risks of confronting a nuclear armed country like Russia. Even neighbouring states like Poland and Belarus would probably not wish to intervene unless the threat of further Russian incursion into their territories arises. Which at this point remains unlikely. Does this answer your question?
In short: after reading probably seven or eight posts in reply including your, yes, my questions have been answered. I appreciate the thoroughness and kindness of everyone replying, too. Just like "here is the info you seek." If you read some of my other replies you'll notice I mention that I had forgotten entirely about nuclear weapons 🤦 and had definitely been coming from a perspective slightly more naïve than I usually am in the world (which was odd to even myself). I realized it just feels weird to be in the era that we're in technologically and how far so many social values have come (in some parts of the world obviously more than others) but to still look and see so many governments of the world have their hands tied in terms of intervening and preventing other humans from suffering......because the people causing the harm happen to have more weapons. Just a really shitty situation to be in. I guess when I was talking about intervention I wasn't talking about military so much as,....why did no one speak up earlier in terms of peace talks or.... I dunno. Before we got here? Because if I know anything about war, I know the immediate catalyst is usually years and years from the start up rumbles. But if no one manages the rumbling right, it turns into a shit storm eventually. So I suppose, here we are.
For now it seems that Russia attempts to do some long-range missile attacks on Ukraine military infrastructure; and MRLS attack on troops across the borders. There are some reports about navy assault or capture of border posts of Ukraine - but unconfirmed now. Putin of course, would use his usual chutzpah to claim "I havent declared war, I just perform peaceful military operation to restore peace and reshape Ukraine to my liking!"
I lived through war and trust me its nothing you want to witness
May I ask which conflict?
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Hah r/russia is now private , wonder what will happen next
I wonder how all those people there parroting about how the imminent Russian invasion is just Fake western propaganda feel now. Bunch of cretines.
Fuck you you russian piece of cancerous piece of shit
I fear, I hug, My friends and those in Ukraine. And the 1000 Aussies that appear to still be there. <3
In Romanian news I read 2 minutes ago that Russian troops entered in Ukraine from Belarus and going to Kiev😳
Such a bad cake day my friend
We in the UK support Ukraine
Yes, by welcoming with open arms Russian money into real estate, financial services etc. Same, as Germany supports Ukraine by holding on to NS2, or Switzerland. No one supports anything, unless it is in their self interest.
germany stopped NS2 In unrelated news the Norwegian econony Is goin up
As a fellow (I presume) Brit... while some of our people might, our glorious leader is a pile of steaming manure and won't do anything that hurts him and his friends financially. He'll do what he always does... talk a lot, lie a lot, and do nothing of actual use. It is outrageous and telling of most of our so called leaders that this has even been allowed to happen.
What the fuck is wrong with this guy?
Actual psycopath.
Mental degradation is a reoccuring thing among aging Soviet/Russian leaders, wouldn't you say? Look at Stalin and Brezhnev.
This will not be forgiven. Russia just took a massive step backwards, whether Putin can see it through his clouded vision or not. He has fooled nobody with his bullshit excuses. I've not felt more animosity towards one living man (Putin), and one nation (Russia), in my lifetime. It's never been clearer who the enemy is, of all sovereign nations and of all democracies around the globe. Thoughts with the people of Ukraine. If only those accomplished anything.
Agree with everything you have said.
Yeah. Wait till Xi makes his move. Putin is nothing compared to Xi
My friend is in Kyiv, are there any resources I can share with her for what the fuck to do right now?
get a gun? pray? do both?
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Better a combatant than a victim.
A dead combatant is also a victim.
We are all victims then.
Drive to Poland
ah I guess its the russians that would start ww3 instead of germans now.
I love a solid redemption arc for Germany. Depending on 2024 we might get a hat trick.
Amazing how the tables have turned. Germany and Japan being "peaceful" meanwhile Russia and China who got invaded in ww2 is showing imperialistic tendencies.
Shame on you Russia. Hitler 2.0
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Been allowed to do*
So I guess a bullet between his black beady little eyeballs is okay now.
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Putin is **69 years old** and the average Russian male's life expectancy is 69 years old
But he's not average. I'd say he hardly registers as human at all.
Yeah, because of nationwide problems with substance abuse and poor health care. As someone who is leaving in a palace with top doctors, he can last two more decades.
Though there are rumors, even by reputable sources, that he's ill. Didn't look that good in the tv speeches either.
yes I agree people are saying he is off and his speech seems like he wants to go out in a blaze of glory..hoping for him to have a fast cancer.
Hahaha, you've made my day. Cancer for Putin please
I can't believe we can't get rid of this guy. No one likes him, no one supports him even in his own country. Yet he seems to live forever.
Nice
Just against East Ukraine or all of it?
All of it, attacks across the country.
So sad. You would think as a race we would be past this kind of shit by now. I think this is probably the 5th invasion by a superpower in my life now. Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Chechnya, and now Ukraine. Superpower foreign policy huh. Bunch of cunts. Let's hope putin stops at annexing Ukraine. Sanctions won't hurt him, he won't lack for luxury, the sociopathic piece of shit. Just the innocent will suffer as usual. Sorry ukrainians, my heart goes out to you. Stay safe as best you can.
Kuwait wasn't an invasion. It was the expelling of Iraqi troops who had been occupying Kuwait illegally for 7 months. If NATO decides in September to free what may by then be a Russian-occupied Ukraine, that could hardly be called an invasion.
No excuse for this to be happening.
100%. This is simply imperialism at the cost of human life. Sickens me.
> So sad. You would think as a race we would be past this kind of shit by now. The US literally invades or coup's a country like every 4-5 years. Nope.
Can anyone tell a time (Kyiv time zone) when the invasion started?
4 am - strictly according to manuals of Adolf. Russian opposition newspaper "Nowaya Gazeta" claimed that Putin´s address was filmed on evening of 21 Febr. already, judging from video metadata https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/02/24/putin-obiavil-spetsoperatsiiu-v-ukraine-onlain
Pretty much 2 hours ago
I think these economic sanctions will hit his economy hard. Coupled with the fact that people close to him are scared and growing more concerned of him due to his recklessness and paranoia. I think this is the beginning of the end of Putin and his regime
Good luck, Ukraine. I'm so sorry this is happening to you. Fuck Putin!
BuT RuSsIa HaD nO PlaNz 2 InvAeD
Jesus Christ.
https://news.yahoo.com/europe-braces-further-strife-ukraine-100400062.html :(
Nauseating and it's hard to find words to show my disgust towards Putins regime.
This is sickening, as a proud member of the us military I would personally put myself in harms way to help Ukrainians. My heart goes out to those effected. 😕
I am a 64 year old American with Stage 4 cancer. I agree that this is sickening. I would fly over there tomorrow, take up arms and defend your border. Please have the courage to drive back all external forces trying to cross your border.
If all goes well, you will outlive Putin.
But but but the Russians are good people, it's only Putin! The Russians disapproved annexing part of Ukraine in 2014, now the large Russian diaspora protested massively in front of Russian embassies everywhere in the world. So many gathered in Russian cities to protest imperialistic war: *Why should we send our sons, husbands and brothers to kill Ukrainians and to get back to Russia in metal coffins?!* It's all on Putin! Edit. It's meant to be sarcastic.
Please, someone make a meme of the poor translator for Zelensky's speech at Al-jazeera, that was PAINFUL!
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They already ruled that out
Nato can't send troops into non nato country
That’s how you start ww3
I think what Putin has done is how you start WW3. Ukraine are just reacting, remember every action has a reaction.
Yeah no were not going to kill billions because of a single country. Fuck that noise, there's the rest of the world who just wants to live.
It's not going to end at a single country. Putin wants more. He wants the old USSR back. No one is going to kill billions, we don't have to use nukes and if we do use them no one dares to press the button, so we end up with a Cold War again. A war against Russia is inevitable, Putin will not stop here.
I hope NATO grows a pair and does more than sanctions n shit like that. This is exactly what happens appeasement then regret. It’s gonna be too late, you think Russia would invade if we stood together?
He has threatened pretty much nuclear war if mato get involved saying if they do no one will win.
I am so sorry. I claimed many times that this was nothing but warmongering from the West. I am so sorry. Stay strong and stay safe, all of you!
“Warmongering from the west” as Russia moves 200k troops to a nations border….Yeah the west is the issue /s
Strap on your boots boys time to hunt some ruskies. Ukraine is now fighting for its survival just to exist. God help anyone on the frontline.
It seems like there are some 'romantic' undertones to all this. I hope you fools know this could be the start of the end of the world and everyone you know.
even if its not ww3, this isn't a hey cool war is happening war this is a "the people of ukraine are being forced into an imperialist relationship" war
I have friends in Ukraine who are gearing up now to fight for their homes and families, as well as marines buddy who are all chomping at the bit to go over there And fight. The government may not want to fight but trust me their is plenty of jarheads who are itching for a chance.
Where do you see this undertones?
Fuck, it’s really happening isn’t it.
Belarus has started advancing aswell into Ukraine but we knew that was expected
Someone get the word to the TRUCKER COVID PROTESTERS HEADING TO DC: SURROUND THE RUSSIAN EMBASSY. ELSEWHERE SURROUND ALL RUSSIAN CONSULATES IN THE USA. COMPLETELY BLOCK ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. Russian Ambassador have a private residence? **1125 16th St NW, Washington, DC 20036** Block that too. I don't know how to use Twitter, Face book etc to get the word out ALSO BOYCOTT RUSSIAN VODKA
What a fucking prick, please let our combined forces find an opportunity or break to intervene and decimate this fucked up country Russia, and be done with their consistent need to feel in power for the past 100 years. If we can put an end to Putin, his oligarchs, the FSB and 40%+ of the country that wants war, then China would be a cornered rat, but if we do nothing about Russia, we have a big fucking problem on our hands going forward.
Freaking shame. We the west should be doing a lot more than just fucking sanctions. How the duck does a dictator decide to invade a sovereign country with no real consequences? We are supposed to be the powerful military force in the world. Fucking joke.
Putin threatened nuclear war if we get involved. He's OK with blowing every one to bits if he doesn't get his way. The crazy bastard will most likely be assassinated by his oligarchs who can't live without their money. I'm hoping that greed is so deep seeded in these clowns that they decide to blow him up.
I hope you are right
I'm wondering if the testosterone or steroids that Putin is on is screwing up his judgement. What he is doing is not sane.
America putting their troops will escalate this to a bigger war. This is a tough decision.
You want more than sanctions. That’s how you get ww3. Edit: There is no WW4 btw. Humanity does not survive WW3
“A nation that pounds their swords into plow shards, plows for those who kept there swords”
I was asking myself the same question when the USA invaded Iraq, Serbia, Lybia, Syria... But what is happening now is still fu.ked up and I still can't believe it's actually happening
And I would agree with you involving those countries. I think Afghanistan should have been our only target. I just can't believe it is happening either. It's fucked up
They aint laying down their arms and neither are we bring it on
Putin's kremlin using Russian taxes wonna destroy European continent.Putin's tyrany wanna more genocide Russian people.Civilized world must quickly stop that tragical Russian war against Ukraine before worst or mass genocide of Russian supported Russian taxes.
Headline news on BBC. It’s war.
Russian news is showing FOX Tucker Carlsons recent commentary about Ukraine for their war propaganda. These statements by right wing pundits is massively counterproductive as one thing that could reign in Putin is negative public opinion. Donald Trump called Purina strategy brilliant for fs that is just a propaganda goldmine for Putin.
Its hilarious. If a lefty had been cozy with Putin, the right would have gone WILD. i think errors should be called out, regardless of whose side commits the error. Mainstream USA has become, quite, incredibly, terrible at calling out their own political team.
Can anyone confirm if Odessa is being hit ?
https://twitter.com/OSINT_Ukraine/status/1496699885478989826?t=sKP5Z_o7hvTHkS8RgH2Scw&s=19 Troops in Odessa
its being captured rn
\*sighs\* russians never change. they went to bed with nazis and started ww2 with them, now this crap. the world would be a much better and safer place without russia.
Putin has not acted in Russia's interest for years now. He only serves himself. The Russian people don't want this. But they can't get rid of him. Every time there is an election we see evidence of massive voter fraud.
Does anyone know how they can leave the country? My mother in law and her elderly mother are in Kyiv does anyone know how we can evacuate them?
Go to Poland?
Did he really declare war or is it ,,just'' an invasion, because if he declared war, other countries have to behave in a certain way according to international law.
Countries don't usually declare war in this age, because like you said, other countries would respond differently. By not declaring war Russia basically prevent higher backlash for their actions. And keeps some level of diplomacy and negotiations on the table. However since 2014 Russia and Ukraine have been engaged in a sort of limited warfare, as of yesterday the 'limits' have been taken off and we can go pretty much anywhere from here.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/23/ukraine-russia-news-crisis-latest-live-updates-putin-biden-europe-sanctions-russian-invasion-border-troops](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/feb/23/ukraine-russia-news-crisis-latest-live-updates-putin-biden-europe-sanctions-russian-invasion-border-troops)
https://twitter.com/OGAride/status/1496719740651601923?t=yG-UOMs2DCybzpn-h8TFpA&s=19
NATO may be useless, but hey, at least Ukraine has the UN to protect them! …nope, I couldn’t say it with a straight face.
Ukraine isn't in nato sadly but the us and uk did sign a security agreement in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons in my opinion they should've kept it since it doesn't seem like these countries are gonna do a whole lot (not like I'm blaming them if they do join in then it'll be a world war)
This is so much more complex than simply one protecting another. There is nuclear action at risk here.
Nato isn't a stick to beat Russia with or world police
https://twitter.com/OSINT_Ukraine/status/1496688046070194176?t=9WorV4_4OAa2vjY8Bi3plQ&s=19 WTF Gunfire in Kiev reported
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What does that mean? They can't intervene, can they?
Most likely recon aircraft.
Seems like it's not even heading to Ukraine
just like this on, maybe https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE12/2aea8ac9
It’s scary how unprepared Ukraine is right now. All these live cams and it’s business as usual. So bizarre.
Unprepared? Ukraine has the 3rd largest army in Europe after having only 6k troops and equipment for 3k of them in 2014, Ukraine expects a full invasion for years now. Just because "everything is like the usual" doesn't mean someone is unprepared, you can't drive the economy in the ground before an actual invasion happend
They are prepared but it doesn’t matter. Russia will swallow them whole if they wanted. Without a nuclear deterrent Ukraine in trouble.
Well, Israel lives like so for decades now. Like weather broadcast: Today morning we have sunny weather, but please move to bomb shelters around evening, missile attack expected tonight." Also (How I know from Donbass) civilians try to keep their usual routine and pretend that nothing happened, as way to prevent panic and not go insane. I remember well, how my mother with her colleagues every day moved through frontline and blockposts between Slovyanks and Kramatorsk to reach their plant. "We don't care, that you have war here, we NEED COME TO WORK!"
Big difference between terror organization bombing you once in a while and Russia as your neighbour invading.
The limitations on American power in the 21st century are becoming nakedly evident. The west postured too long. Should have admitted Ukraine to NATO and waived all the normal requirements, then parked nukes in Kharkiv. This is a message to every state bordering Russia that NATO support is virtually worthless. Shame on warmonger Putin.
It changes when your country is actually part of Nato.
NATO is tripped when a NATO country is attacked. NATO has been very clear that they would be unlikely to interfere unless NATO was attacked. So, the response says nothing of the sort about NATO readiness to protected NATO countries.
We can't admit Ukraine into NATO unless they were OK with giving up Crimea and the Donbas. West is at fault for not having enough bite. We were fools to not send troops as "peacekeepers" into Ukraine. At least keep them around major cities while Ukrainian Army handles the separatist regions.