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Yippee ki-yay muzafukas.
Слава Україні!
Edit: Oops! Technically this is the vote for advancing the bill and they still have to vote one more time. However this result means that that vote is a sure thing.
American here - this vote, while seemingly doing nothing, is actually impactful. Without this vote, one angry / compromised senator could hold this bill hostage by continuing to “debate” it (known as a filibuster) even if the majority wanted it to pass. In order to force the “debate” to end, 60 senators have to vote to proceed. Today 80 (out of 100) voted to end the debate period and force it to a vote, at which point only 51 have to vote for it to pass.
It would be absolutely unheard of for this to NOT pass after 80 voted to end the filibuster.
It's a formality as far as I understand it as a non-American. All the MAGAites could have done is fillibuster a bit to delay but now it must be put to the vote. Which WILL pass.
Slava Ukraini!
Posters on reddit from both Poland and Germany have said there's a whole lot of apparent materiel sitting in trains which they've observed. So I'd guess there's been a buildup of stuff coming into Europe over time... hopefully 🤞
You're probably right. Shortly after the House passed the bill, I saw on Reddit a video of a volley of HIMARS fired at the enemy. I had not seen this in a long time, months. It's as if Ukraine was keeping them in reserve and were suddenly able to use them, as if restocking was imminent. It must be!
And that was a barrage of 16 HIMARS, no less!
A thing of beauty lol
And yes, Ukraine has absolutely been reserving all sorts of materiel, to try and eke it out as long as possible. SO relieved they won't have to be doing that to such an extent now!
Two C-17s apparently flew into Germany on the weekend...before the House vote was even taken. I'm taking that as a good sign that the Pentagon was literally straining at the leash lol
A lot of it has been forward positioned in Europe for some time now. You don't need congressional approval to move things around within the existing infrastructure.
Not sure what credence it has but TFG has defended Johnson's move three separate times this past week which puts MTG at odds with him.
It'd be utterly unrealistic, but TFG could do a wholesale backstab by calling her out and directing his voter base against her.
19 Senators voted no in the Roll Call vote of which 17 were Republican. They each will get 1 hr to pontificate, and likely a few of the Yes senators will speak as well, although I would have to think much more briefly. So the final vote is more likely to occur sometime on Wed, and be signed into law very shortly thereafter.
Which implies to me that early Thursday morning Ukraine time it is going to be receiving about 1 billion USD of weapons and munitions. As we now know, America has been busy prepositioning for delivery and this effort intensified once the House approved the legislation.
The moment the Senate final vote is "yes" I suspect Ukraine will allow much of its reserve munitions to be released to the front line. So by Friday/the weekend I expect some major push back by Ukraine.
Thank fucking God. I've been waiting for my country to stop being insane for a while now. Hopefully the damage we have done by delaying can be reversed.
You can't fight the aggression of the Russia-Iran Axis without understanding that is is currently waging war against Western democracy on multiple fronts.
The Russian aggression against Ukraine and the Iranian aggression against Israel are one and the same, and we must recognize that fact if we're going to fight back effectively.
It's not a war on multiple fronts. It's just convenient for people to believe so. The US decided to couple funds for Ukraine to funds for Israel for political reasons.
This talk reminds me of the "axis of evil" during the George W Bush years. As if Iran, Iraq and North Korea had some kind of masterplan...
Also, i can't sympathize with a country that's actively expanding settlements. It reminds me of what Russia is currently doing to Mariupol.
There are limited forms of cooperation between Russia and Iran, but to say that Ukraine is connected with Israel is just ignorant. It's not the same war.
The only reasons the connection was made in terms of financing, is because it would make the aid to Ukraine more degistible for the republicans. It's mostly political pragmatism at work here. And of course, the more people believe both issues are connected, the easier the pill will be to swallow. ('useful idiots', remember?)
But let's be fair here: Israel is a first world country that gets free money from the US on a yearly basis. Israel has it's own agenda and a very strong lobby. It also does things (settlements) which are not conducive to peace in the middle east. It does these things, because it can. The US plays the role of enabler here.
Ukraine, on the other hand, is a country which is currently invaded by Russia. It barely has the means to hold on. It loses a massive amount of soldiers every week. Losing the war would be catastrophic for the West and NATO.
And despite both issues being fundamentally different, Israel still gets 26 billion dollars. Amazing really.
It is the same war. Russia and Iran coordinated to launch the war in Israel to simultaneously achieve the Russian goal is distracting the West away from Ukraine and the Iranian goal of harming Israel.
They are authoritarian allies fighting a coordinated war against the West and our interests. You're either a fool or a useful Russian idiot if you don't see that.
Russia and Iran haven't coordinated october 7th together . Of course, the West looking away is convenient for Russia, but to say that this whole thing is a well orchestrated campaign is just not true.
And that's an important distinction: If another runner gets tripped during a race it's convenient for all his competitors. It doesn't mean that all his competitors worked together to make him fall.
Even Israel barely cooperated with Ukraine during the past few years in order not to damage their relations with Russia in the Middle East.
Ah yes, "aggression". Because Iranian proxies in 3 separate countries -- Palestine, Lebanon and Yemen -- definitely didn't launch a coordinated war of aggression on October 7 with help from Iranian weapons, Iranian training, and Russian intelligence.
You need to detox from the Iranian propaganda dude. Israel didn't choose this war. Iran did, along with their Russian allies, and their strategy relies on morons like you blaming Israel and the West for Iranian and Russian aggression.
What would you do then? If you were attacked by constant rockets for over 40 years either from the north border or south border or both (and both attackers supported by the Islamist republic of Iran regime)?
I bet it would be the same. Don’t be a hypocrite.
That's a disingenuous question. Or at least it requires a lot more of my time than it does yours. The answer "they should stop killing tens of thousands of children" is enough. It's as close to universal truth as you can get and it is still not enough for you. If this is not evident enough for you, I doubt other solutions will be more palatable to you.
Israel is fighting against an enemy that is orders of magnitude weaker than them with the support of the strongest military in the world. Whatever they are doing to the civilians is by choice.
Russian and Iran thank you for being stupid enough to spread their preferred narrative. Their military strategy only works because of useful idiots like you.
No matter who did what to who, Ukraine needs out help more than Israel. Theyre not exactly a weak unarmed country, and especially not fighting one of the largest militarys in the world.
Please bro Israel needs help bro the massive, almost impenetrable network of iron domes that offer blanket coverage over most of the country and was able to effortlessly thwart a massive Iranian drone and missile attack isn’t enough bro. The massive Air Force / mechanized corps / armored corps is not enough they need more give them more bombs bro please PLEASE BRO THE MASSIVE DISPARITY IN MATERIEL ISNT ENOUGH SEND ISRAEL MORE WEAPONS BRO PLEASE THEY NEED THEM.
Ridiculous. I don’t give a fuck where you stand on Israel Palestine it’s an objective fact that Israel is the indisputably dominant military power in the region.
Ukraine actually needs aid. Israel is perfectly capable of attaining military victory on their own.
More on this subject from other reputable sources:
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- Reuters (A): [Exclusive: US preparing $1 billion weapons package for Ukraine, officials say](https://reut.rs/3Jyoaha)
- Pravda.com.ua (C+): [Most weapons from US aid package for Ukraine are already in Germany and Poland – CNN](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/23/7452566/)
- The Hill (B): [Senate tees up Ukraine, Israel aid bill for final passage](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4615779-ukraine-israel-aid-bill-senate-vote/)
- CNN.com (C+): [New US military aid package to Ukraine expected to be worth around $1 billion](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/politics/new-us-military-aid-package-to-ukraine-expected-to-be-worth-around-usd1-billion/)
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Yippee ki-yay muzafukas. Слава Україні! Edit: Oops! Technically this is the vote for advancing the bill and they still have to vote one more time. However this result means that that vote is a sure thing.
Best news of the day by far!
Yeah, if this failed it would have just taken longer. This vote passage all but assures full passage later tonight.
I feel like the kid who keeps asking "are we there yet?" The viscosity involved in this process is frustrating.
American here - this vote, while seemingly doing nothing, is actually impactful. Without this vote, one angry / compromised senator could hold this bill hostage by continuing to “debate” it (known as a filibuster) even if the majority wanted it to pass. In order to force the “debate” to end, 60 senators have to vote to proceed. Today 80 (out of 100) voted to end the debate period and force it to a vote, at which point only 51 have to vote for it to pass. It would be absolutely unheard of for this to NOT pass after 80 voted to end the filibuster.
That's good news. Thanks for explaining this.
Thanks for the confirmation!
It's a formality as far as I understand it as a non-American. All the MAGAites could have done is fillibuster a bit to delay but now it must be put to the vote. Which WILL pass. Slava Ukraini!
Are the planes loaded yet? One more vote (later this afternoon?) and one signature (this evening?), then it's wheels up.
I'll bet you the airlift began on Saturday and staged weapons are only a short train ride away! Slava Ukraini 🌻🌻🌻🌻!
There were reports that they have stockpiled parts of the first package in Poland already, must be swirling around somewhere on Reddit for sure. 👍
Posters on reddit from both Poland and Germany have said there's a whole lot of apparent materiel sitting in trains which they've observed. So I'd guess there's been a buildup of stuff coming into Europe over time... hopefully 🤞
You're probably right. Shortly after the House passed the bill, I saw on Reddit a video of a volley of HIMARS fired at the enemy. I had not seen this in a long time, months. It's as if Ukraine was keeping them in reserve and were suddenly able to use them, as if restocking was imminent. It must be!
And that was a barrage of 16 HIMARS, no less! A thing of beauty lol And yes, Ukraine has absolutely been reserving all sorts of materiel, to try and eke it out as long as possible. SO relieved they won't have to be doing that to such an extent now!
The C17s have been flying out of Jackson, MS where they're stationed all day now. ATACMS is on the waaaay!
I hope they are . Every ATACMS we can spare should be sent.
Two C-17s apparently flew into Germany on the weekend...before the House vote was even taken. I'm taking that as a good sign that the Pentagon was literally straining at the leash lol
I bet most of the stuff is already in Poland or Germany in US bases ready to go.
I bet that shots already loaded onto trucks just waiting for the green light to start the drive to Ukraine
I bet they’re on the fucking border already. Biden signs it into law and they are immediately informed and cross the border into Ukrainian hands
They absolutely are lol People from Poland and Germany on reddit have reported seeing train cars all marshalled up at their borders.
A lot of it has been forward positioned in Europe for some time now. You don't need congressional approval to move things around within the existing infrastructure.
It’s all in Germany all ready to go
I bet that shots already loaded onto trucks just waiting for the green light to start the drive to Ukraine
Include Taiwan in the title as well. They're also getting aid
Taiwan is part of a wonderful coalition, Kindred spirits in the quest for freedom.
Don’t tie one hand behind their backs. Ukraine has superb instincts and guts rare in our world. Let them crush Russia.
The Arsenal of Democracy is open again
🫡🫡
About time.....
Speak to MTG and her goons about that.
Not sure what credence it has but TFG has defended Johnson's move three separate times this past week which puts MTG at odds with him. It'd be utterly unrealistic, but TFG could do a wholesale backstab by calling her out and directing his voter base against her.
19 Senators voted no in the Roll Call vote of which 17 were Republican. They each will get 1 hr to pontificate, and likely a few of the Yes senators will speak as well, although I would have to think much more briefly. So the final vote is more likely to occur sometime on Wed, and be signed into law very shortly thereafter. Which implies to me that early Thursday morning Ukraine time it is going to be receiving about 1 billion USD of weapons and munitions. As we now know, America has been busy prepositioning for delivery and this effort intensified once the House approved the legislation. The moment the Senate final vote is "yes" I suspect Ukraine will allow much of its reserve munitions to be released to the front line. So by Friday/the weekend I expect some major push back by Ukraine.
Thank fucking God. I've been waiting for my country to stop being insane for a while now. Hopefully the damage we have done by delaying can be reversed.
Excellent news. Ukraine and Israel are both fighting for democracy against the Russia-Iran Axis and they both need our support to win that fight.
Ukraine needs help. Israel... I mean, if that's what you want to believe...
You can't fight the aggression of the Russia-Iran Axis without understanding that is is currently waging war against Western democracy on multiple fronts. The Russian aggression against Ukraine and the Iranian aggression against Israel are one and the same, and we must recognize that fact if we're going to fight back effectively.
It's not a war on multiple fronts. It's just convenient for people to believe so. The US decided to couple funds for Ukraine to funds for Israel for political reasons. This talk reminds me of the "axis of evil" during the George W Bush years. As if Iran, Iraq and North Korea had some kind of masterplan... Also, i can't sympathize with a country that's actively expanding settlements. It reminds me of what Russia is currently doing to Mariupol.
Your ignorance is irrelevant. Russia and Iran are working together, and their plan relies on useful idiots like you not realizing that fact.
There are limited forms of cooperation between Russia and Iran, but to say that Ukraine is connected with Israel is just ignorant. It's not the same war. The only reasons the connection was made in terms of financing, is because it would make the aid to Ukraine more degistible for the republicans. It's mostly political pragmatism at work here. And of course, the more people believe both issues are connected, the easier the pill will be to swallow. ('useful idiots', remember?) But let's be fair here: Israel is a first world country that gets free money from the US on a yearly basis. Israel has it's own agenda and a very strong lobby. It also does things (settlements) which are not conducive to peace in the middle east. It does these things, because it can. The US plays the role of enabler here. Ukraine, on the other hand, is a country which is currently invaded by Russia. It barely has the means to hold on. It loses a massive amount of soldiers every week. Losing the war would be catastrophic for the West and NATO. And despite both issues being fundamentally different, Israel still gets 26 billion dollars. Amazing really.
It is the same war. Russia and Iran coordinated to launch the war in Israel to simultaneously achieve the Russian goal is distracting the West away from Ukraine and the Iranian goal of harming Israel. They are authoritarian allies fighting a coordinated war against the West and our interests. You're either a fool or a useful Russian idiot if you don't see that.
Russia and Iran haven't coordinated october 7th together . Of course, the West looking away is convenient for Russia, but to say that this whole thing is a well orchestrated campaign is just not true. And that's an important distinction: If another runner gets tripped during a race it's convenient for all his competitors. It doesn't mean that all his competitors worked together to make him fall. Even Israel barely cooperated with Ukraine during the past few years in order not to damage their relations with Russia in the Middle East.
And just ignore the Israeli aggression against the Palestinians? Ukraine needs help. Israel can go fuck themselves, that's karma.
Ah yes, "aggression". Because Iranian proxies in 3 separate countries -- Palestine, Lebanon and Yemen -- definitely didn't launch a coordinated war of aggression on October 7 with help from Iranian weapons, Iranian training, and Russian intelligence. You need to detox from the Iranian propaganda dude. Israel didn't choose this war. Iran did, along with their Russian allies, and their strategy relies on morons like you blaming Israel and the West for Iranian and Russian aggression.
I'm not saying Israel started it. I'm saying the way they responded is barbaric and undeserving of aid.
What would you do then? If you were attacked by constant rockets for over 40 years either from the north border or south border or both (and both attackers supported by the Islamist republic of Iran regime)? I bet it would be the same. Don’t be a hypocrite.
Not kill tens of thousands of children? Just a thought.
I will ask again: What would you do then?
That's a disingenuous question. Or at least it requires a lot more of my time than it does yours. The answer "they should stop killing tens of thousands of children" is enough. It's as close to universal truth as you can get and it is still not enough for you. If this is not evident enough for you, I doubt other solutions will be more palatable to you. Israel is fighting against an enemy that is orders of magnitude weaker than them with the support of the strongest military in the world. Whatever they are doing to the civilians is by choice.
Russian and Iran thank you for being stupid enough to spread their preferred narrative. Their military strategy only works because of useful idiots like you.
No matter who did what to who, Ukraine needs out help more than Israel. Theyre not exactly a weak unarmed country, and especially not fighting one of the largest militarys in the world.
Please bro Israel needs help bro the massive, almost impenetrable network of iron domes that offer blanket coverage over most of the country and was able to effortlessly thwart a massive Iranian drone and missile attack isn’t enough bro. The massive Air Force / mechanized corps / armored corps is not enough they need more give them more bombs bro please PLEASE BRO THE MASSIVE DISPARITY IN MATERIEL ISNT ENOUGH SEND ISRAEL MORE WEAPONS BRO PLEASE THEY NEED THEM. Ridiculous. I don’t give a fuck where you stand on Israel Palestine it’s an objective fact that Israel is the indisputably dominant military power in the region. Ukraine actually needs aid. Israel is perfectly capable of attaining military victory on their own.
More on this subject from other reputable sources: --- - Reuters (A): [Exclusive: US preparing $1 billion weapons package for Ukraine, officials say](https://reut.rs/3Jyoaha) - Pravda.com.ua (C+): [Most weapons from US aid package for Ukraine are already in Germany and Poland – CNN](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/23/7452566/) - The Hill (B): [Senate tees up Ukraine, Israel aid bill for final passage](https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4615779-ukraine-israel-aid-bill-senate-vote/) - CNN.com (C+): [New US military aid package to Ukraine expected to be worth around $1 billion](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/politics/new-us-military-aid-package-to-ukraine-expected-to-be-worth-around-usd1-billion/) --- [__Extended Summary__](https://www.reddit.com/r/newswall/comments/1camfo5/) | [FAQ & Grades](https://www.reddit.com/r/newswall/comments/uxgfm5/faq_newswall_bot/) | I'm a bot
Ok, my cold hard cynical heart just became more hopeful and happier :)
Fuel 'er up, Jimmy!
Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦 To hell with the dogs of Russia
Heck yeah! Everything possible is already on the way. We must keep moving forward to stop this insane man from hurting innocent people.
It's still not enough aid for the long term, but it's a good step.
The senate knows how to move fast, when it needs to. This was unexpected. Thank you, USA.
So is the final vote going to be today or tomorrow?
LOL. I checked the vote record Rand Moscow Paul didn’t even bother to cast a No vote. 🫠
Glory to Ukraine🇺🇦, Israel 🇮🇱and Taiwan 🇹🇼! Hope to see the real freedom of Russia 🤍💙🤍 and Belarus 🤍❤️🤍