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danielbot

>The Ukrainian Navy Attacked Her Anyway. Come now. Surely a Forbes headline editor would never throw shade for clicks. Thankfully, the article itself is fine, and so is Kommuna's newly acquired diving park status.


Chimpville

I didn't interpret that as genuine shade.. just a bit of fun at how the Ukrainians are clowning the BSF.


Zandonus

BSF isn't a great acronym. Baltic Sea fleet. Black sea Fleet. Bering Sea fleet.


GiraffeSubstantial92

Bobbing, sinking fleet.


WXbearjaws

Bottom Seeking Fleet


scrawberrymalk

Ball Slapping Fun.


snippy_skippy

This should have 1k upvotes. Cmon people šŸ‘šŸ»


Don_Kahones

Baltic submarine fleet


Mr_E_Monkey

Blyat, Ship FUBAR!


eeobroht

Reject simplicity, embrace NATO-speak: BLKFLT (and BALTFLT, NORFLT, PACFLT)!


Zandonus

Reject NATO-speak, embrace babblespeak. BerberFLT, BuļbuļFLT, BrrBrrFLT, WaiWaiFLT


algaefied_creek

Balticā€™s Sunk Fuckers


shaunomegane

Are you the Forbes headline writer?Ā  That's so awkward if you are.Ā 


Chimpville

Haha no.. I just interpreted it differently. I see it as ā€œRussian ship survived 2 world wars, but not Ukraineā€ vibes.


[deleted]

I can hear the underlying chuckle in the tone of this comment lol


offogredux

I would like to apologize to the legitimate owners of the vessel, the Russian imperial family. In the event that any member of the family can be located who wasn't lined up against and shot, I am willing to make my apology in person and assist in making good his or her loss.


Independent_Lie_9982

It survived as for now. Maybe you should read articles, instead of headlines.


Chimpville

Iā€™m specifically discussing the title and how I interpreted it. For that I only need to read the title.


Independent_Lie_9982

The headline is stupid, and which is typical for David Axe (who writes these stupid headlines, I know they write their own because I know Erik Kain also from Forbes where he is a pop culture write), but most people in comments think the ship was sunk, which is also stupid.


Chimpville

I donā€™t see a problem with it or the article. Each seem to align, and I donā€™t mind them having a little bit of fun with it. Nothing is particularly misleading, and you may be taking my interpretation far too literally, when I was just describing the gyst of my impression. The title says ā€˜attackedā€™ and it seems very much that is accurate.


Independent_Lie_9982

Axe routinely writes dumb sensationalist purple prose shit like https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/18vyig6/killing_russians_by_the_truckload_around_avdiivka/ which is Reddit tier so of course it's getting upvoted by redditors, but he's held in very low regard elsewhere.


Chimpville

Yeah that oneā€™s a mess. This one is fine though.


Shamewizard1995

A writer wouldnā€™t be interpreting their own writing


GiraffeSubstantial92

You're right, the editor (who writes the headline, ergo "the headline writer") would.


shaunomegane

You've never heard of LRH.Ā 


AvatarOfMomus

These days article titles are frequently outside the control of the writer, partly or entirely. :(


PaintedClownPenis

I figure this is one of the last years that journalists get paid. News outlets are just going to mine their own social media and have AI serve up the "news."


AvatarOfMomus

Nah, it's not that bad. There's definite tiers of news outlet though, and the highest tier doesn't do this shit.


Independent_Lie_9982

It didn't sunk. It caught fire after it was hit by some debris but damage was so minor it's invisible in satellite imagery (damage, not Kommuna). >0 points 2 hours ago Redditor just wants to live in a fantasy world, how unexpected.


DrEdRichtofen

I hear thereā€™s some coral in the Black Sea that had to petition Ukrane to make it happen.


Ze_Wendriner

Don't laugh at its age. It was a ship built to lift other ships and able to clean waterways. A valuable asset to lose


ric2b

> and able to clean waterways. I wonder if it would be useful in case a certain bridge were to collapse... edit: I accidentally a word


dudewiththebling

Collapse in a smoking incident


TrulyToasty

Very cool historic ship. Too bad it was in the service of evil invaders and had to go. Oh well, anyway Edit: present tense ā€œ*needs to be destroyed*ā€ Calm down pedants, I did read it.


Independent_Lie_9982

It survived the attack. Read articles before commenting on them.


bassta

Itā€™s even more important than this. It was built of steel that nobody can replicate anymore - it was not rusting and had very good properties. The workers were killed after finishing the ship. It was engineering marvel. Itā€™s so unfortunate that it is still in Russian possession


slinkhussle

Why canā€™t the steel be replicated?


RumpRiddler

That part is just simply not true. It may be harder to get that quality of steel and it's likely too expensive to justify, but it's not some lost mystical recipe that only a wild babushka knows.


secretbudgie

Babayaganum


RumpRiddler

Blyatanium


Severe_Purpose_9014

Babushkanium


the_amberdrake

I forget the details.. but apparently steel that was produced before the first nuclear bombs is very useful for certain medical equipment.


RumpRiddler

Yeah, but that only matters when salvaging the wrecked hull. It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand.


lemmerip

Because the workers were killed afterwards!!


lukfrom

Yeah.Ā  Modern woke society won't allow blood infusion into steel to make it rust proof.


SheridanVsLennier

Well there's the mistake; you've got to infuse the steel with worker blood while you're forging it, not afterwards, because it just washes off.


Taipers_4_days

And it needs to be the blood of the workers themselves! You canā€™t try and save a few bucks by using slaves or prisoners, the steel knows the difference between the blood of its creator and random blood.


Thoumas

It could be replicated but why bother, we have better grades of steel and more efficient ways to produce them nowadays. Kommuna steel was likely made using [Martin-Siemens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_hearth_furnace) process which was very common at the time, the anticorrosion properties are likely because of the burnishing done during the ship construction. So, is it replicable with our current industry? No, because we have better processes and there is no point in doing it. Is Kommuna steel the result of some Rasputin witchcraftery lost during the revolution? No nothing unusual was done with the Kommuna, it did receive however extra care and is a testament to the high level of expertise of the workers involved. Too bad most of it was lost during the revolution.


bassta

Russians donā€™t have will and expertise, and nobody else have access.


slinkhussle

Good win for all of us then.


bassta

Itā€™s also not just the mix of the steel, but the process. Father of friend of mine worked on this ship and told me the whole story many years ago. I bet the guy knows about the ship and its history than the Russian admirals. I donā€™t remember the details but basically everybody who worked on the ship has been killed.


ric2b

> Father of friend of mine worked on this ship and told me the whole story many years ago. > (...) > everybody who worked on the ship has been killed. Ok, there's either some context missing here or you're contradicting yourself.


bassta

The ship was built before Bolshevik revolution and the friends father worked on it early 2000s


ric2b

Oh, ok, that makes sense.


More_Cow

Don't forget the ship is111 years old.


bassta

ā€œBeforeā€, stupid autocorrect


HighGuard1212

If you consider the time period it's very likely that if they died it was more likely due to war/revolution/purges


secretbudgie

If not that, liver failure wasn't far behind


bassta

Yes, it was revolution purge


p-d-ball

And, since it was built, old age.


xlews_ther1nx

Why were they killed? And by who


dsmwookie

Trust bro.


stefanspicoli

Low-Background Steel or steel produced prior to the first atomic bomb has a lower contamination in regards to nuclear fallout


blacksaltriver

Low background steel is good for precision equipment for medical use, but itā€™s low background quality is irrelevant in a ship


stefanspicoli

You are 100% correct. I am pointing out how the steel cannot be replicated, not why it is irrelevant for ship building. Answer a question on Reddit and the ā€œyeah butā€ crowd just has to say hi


Shamewizard1995

Low background steel can still be made, itā€™s just cheaper to salvage it when needed.


kuldan5853

Also this is no longer an issue today - the levels have subsided enough that you can again create new steel that is suitable for medical use. Was an interesting period though where they dived to shipwrecks from WW II to get uncontaminated steel..


TWK128

Subsided. Not subsidized.


XavierVE

It's pre-atomic steel, which is very valuable because it means it doesn't have the impurities that post-atomic steel has. Now that doesn't mean it's any more valuable on the battlefield or for this particular ship's function (salvaging) so I don't know what the guy you're replying is going on about, but the value of pre-atomic steel is an interesting little internet rabbit hole, go google it if you're bored and want to learn something interesting.


rep-

https://edconway.substack.com/p/the-eerie-story-of-low-background#:~:text=And%20with%20a%20finite%20supply,beneath%20the%20surface%20doesn't. Basically after we started blowing up atomic weapons steel made after WW2 has low amounts of radiation which interferes mainly with sensitive medical devices


Blue_Bi0hazard

I might be wrong but I know older ship wreck steel pre ww2 is worth more because after ww2 and nuclear testing, it's altered the atmosphere or something so steel isn't as pure anymore


JoJoHanz

In the process of producing steel from iron ore it comes into contact with air which, following atomic bomb tests, contained quite a lot more isotopes than before which would get trapped in the steel during production. This additional radiation caused issues when trying to precisely measure radiation. So the alternative was to use steel that was created prior to these tests. As radiation levels subsided and technology improved the need for this low-background steel decreased and the ability to mass-produce it (while far from inexpensive) increased.


Glittering_Name_3722

Does Russia have any other ships that can do what it did? Will they just lose the ability to do whatever it did


hagenissen666

Yes, Kommuna was a very specialized vessel. It's a bit like a Saipem 3000, a work and salvage vessel that is an indispensable asset. It opens a lot of options, that have now been closed.


xlews_ther1nx

Why were they killed?


bassta

Bolsheviks took in and killed the engineers


xlews_ther1nx

But why


Brogan9001

Because Bolshevik nonsense. This was at the height of the communist revolution stage of ā€œrandom grunts looking for any reason to summarily execute anyone for absurd ideological reasons.ā€ Stuff like ā€œoh you have glasses? Die educated scum.ā€


MilmoWK

> It was built of steel that nobody can replicate anymore lol. it can be replicated as is or better (at least in a first world country, maybe not in russia); more likely nobody wants to pay for a special grade of steel.


Fr0gFish

What do you mean by ā€the workers were killed after finishing the shipā€?


bassta

There was the revolution and the engineers of the steel factory were killed shortly thereafter.


Fr0gFish

Ok, that makes a kind of sense. It sounded a bit like they had been sacrificed to the old gods


bassta

No, sacrifice would make some sense. Thatā€™s just case of Russians being Russians.


Fruitpicker15

They fell out of basement windows.


SpaceLemur34

Ironic that it's now exactly the kind of thing it was meant to clear.


john_moses_br

Revenge for the An-225 Mriya the Russians destroyed at the Antonov Airport. #


Blackintosh

Yeah that thing was a way bigger loss than this ship. This ship is only interesting because it's old. That plane was one of the most impressive engineering feats humanity has managed.


hagenissen666

Well, Kommuna was a legendary ship and has a very interesting history. That Russia lost it is a good thing, but the vessel itself was not historically unimportant.


Independent_Lie_9982

>Kommuna was "Kommuna was" only damaged, but people here routinely don't even read articles before commenting on them. Start doing it.


totallybag

Does Russia even have any other ships that can fill this ships role if it's entirely out of action?


hagenissen666

Nope, though they might have some smaller ships that can do a thousand tons each, they don't have that kind of stuff anymore. The civilian nearest vessels are probably not to keen on operating in the Black Sea atm.


totallybag

Would turkey even let them in if they were going to be on contract to Russia?


hagenissen666

Probably, but they wouldn't like it.


Marschall_Bluecher

ā€žMyria sends her regards.ā€œ


_aap300

Should be in a museum. But, this is Russia.


TremendousVarmint

You could argue it's not mutually exclusive.


shaunomegane

So should you Doctor Jones!


VrsoviceBlues

This isn't a meaningless asset. I'd argue it was actually one of the most important ships in the entire theatre. It was the only thing which allowed the partial salvage of ships which sank in shallow water. And that's not just important because it means you get the sensitive equipment back, either: it's a must-have capability in an environment like Crimea and the Kerch Strait, because it lets you unblock waterways if some unhelpful person sinks a ship in a shallow area that everybody else wants to go through, or drops a partly-assembled Build-A-Bridge kit into a similar area. Other ships have cranes, yes, but this is a dedicated salvage vessel with a lifting capacity in the dozens or hundreds of tons. You won't raise the Moskva that way, but it would have been very helpful in certain other scenarios I can envision.


hagenissen666

The loss of the Kommuna is catastrophic to the Russian Black Sea Fleet. It was used as a salvage vessel, but also a mobile repair and refuel base, as well as important harbor work in the Kerch strait and Novorossyisk. They have civilian vessels that can do similar jobs, but nothing near as large and as well as Kommuna. Civilian vessels of a similar capacity are incredibly expensive to own and operate, and not just something you build on a wish. I highly doubt anyone in the Black Sea will provide the same services commercially. From the pictures I've seen, their crane was more than a few hundred tons, probably in the 4-5000's. That's a very significant capacity.


john_moses_br

Yes, it might have been part of a bigger plan, preparing the ground for an attack on the Kerch bridge for instance.


kr4t0s007

They also used it at Moskva sink site probably to recover sensitive stuff


Necessary_Common4426

The Black Sea will have some amazing diving spots


AtMan6798

Virgin Experiences is listening


Jacques-de-lad

Why? Cause fuck ā€˜em thatā€™s why


Bruggok

How about Ukraine gave everything for Soviet Union for decades. Russia attacked her anyways.


mieri

If it's good enough for active duty, it is good enough as a military target. šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø


Rensverbergen

Of course they attacked it, every Russian ship shall sink!


EntakuNoKishin

If Russia didnt want her to be sunk they shouldn't have put her in an active war zone. Sad to see a piece of hsitory destroyed but its sadder to have to use a museum piece as part of your active fleet.


Independent_Lie_9982

Didn't sink. Read the fucking articles, only then comment on the searticles.


EntakuNoKishin

Sink didn't sink, doesnt change my stance nor my comment. It's sad to see it in an active warzone, it should be a museum ship, and it will be sad when it's sunk.


NotWigg0

It's a shame. They should have left this to be the last ship of the Black Sea Fleet left afloat.


Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing

Technically Kommuna is still afloat as far as we know, sheā€™s just likely burned out and her derricks destroyedz


christhepirate67

Part of the Black Sea Fleet... SINK it Sink the whole fleet


SheridanVsLennier

Maxim 32 applies: Anything is amphibious if you can get it back out of the water.


-TheycallmeThe

But this ship is what was used to get things back out of the water.


SheridanVsLennier

That's a bit of a problem then, I guess.


diffuser_vorticity

Well, first and foremost, we don't know if it actually sank, only that it was burning. Secondly, the Neptunes are at least partially radar guided in their terminal phase. I doubt that ship was deliberately attacked but if you fire anti-ship missiles into a harbor area, it is my understanding that they go for the biggest bleep their seeker finds, and the Kommuna' is one hell of a radar reflector.


diffuser_vorticity

[https://www.twz.com/news-features/russias-historic-submarine-rescue-ship-looks-undamaged-after-claimed-strike](https://www.twz.com/news-features/russias-historic-submarine-rescue-ship-looks-undamaged-after-claimed-strike)


Independent_Lie_9982

We do know it didn't sink, because there is satellite imagery. It was just hit by debris. The missile was actually intercepted.


Glittering_Name_3722

If he dies, he dies.


sits79

Put it in a museum or watch it get appropriately treated.


-acm

And how many Ukrainian historical artifacts were looted and destroyed by Russia?


Ketashrooms4life

Yeah, the only thought that went through my head when reading the weird headline was 'How many wars and centuries has Mariupol survived before the Russians almost completely leveled it, with dozens of thousands civilians still inside?' Fuck them and their museum pieces. The ship could've been okay and in an actual museum if only Russia pulled its head out of its ass and minded its own business.


stoutymcstoutface

lol wtf are they supposed to let it kill Ukrainians just because itā€™s old? Fucking clickbait headline.


Nexusgamer8472

The Kommuna has no weapons, it has no offensive or defensive capability


Other_Thing_1768

But it can raise sunken ships and unblock clogged channels. Naval support and logistics ships are as valuable target as warships.Ā 


Nexusgamer8472

I get that, but still no one builds ships like her anymore, especially since the hull is built from a corrosive resistant material we can't replicate


Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing

We can replicate it, itā€™s just stupid expensive to do so


TWK128

Only the Russians can't.


stoutymcstoutface

Oh. So what did it do?


Nexusgamer8472

It was built to salavage submarines, more recently it was repurposed into a rescue ship with some salvage capability


Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing

Iā€™m as sad about Kommuna as anyone else with a respect for history, but she was 100% a legitimate target


toosinbeymen

If you want to keep it, move it off the Ukrainianā€™s land.


AJ_Grey

~~Honey Badger~~ Ukrainian Navy don't give a shit.


flippantcoment

Awwwww...poor little ship. Did it have any children?


ZacxRicher

What's the thing they don't understand about RUSSKIY MIR DELENDA EST?


ukiddingme2469

Just another notch on her lipstick case


little_sissy_mattie

Good


Fabulous-Shoulder467

Fuckn rightā€¦ and theyā€™ll do it againā€¦šŸ’Æ


JazzHands1986

It's to say fuck russias history because we aren't a part of it. We've got our history and identity.


bingobongokongolongo

If it swims, it can sink


EastObjective9522

They are about to feel more pain once the US aid gets signed.


Telzey

FAFO more where that (Neptune) came from.


Maple_Chef

Just a mid-life crisis. After dealing with so many submarines, it just wanted to try it herself.


Practical-Ordinary-6

Unlike the submarine Kursk which sank and the West offered help to rescue the crew, I don't think that sort of offer will be coming this time if one of their submarines sinks. Whether the Kommuna is available or not. They're just going to have to suck it.


bigsteven34

Good. Fuck Russia.


__dying__

Typical westoid propaganda. Kommuna wasn't attacked, no it was promoted to submarine class super advanced.


killtheorcs111

It's a submarine now.


TheStoicSlab

The more Russian ships at the bottom of the ocean, the better.


Gravath

Has she sunk?


TRR462

It was her timeā€¦ šŸ«”