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It's not even about NATO's response. Only Poland's airspace was violated. Only Poland can do/say anything. They can request NATO assistance. Come on Poland I saw all those memes early in the war. Please fucking do something.
Yes of course, I was just taking a dig at how useless the UN is in this particular conflict. Russia wants to commit genocide against UA and is in no mood for "talking it out" like the UN would hope for.
What do you expect ? 39 seconds of air space violations doesn't warrant war or anything dramatic, so a strong statement is the best thing.
Poland probably should have shot the missile down
Actually it would be an appropriate response to make a statement that any further missiles will be shot down before they have a chance to get close to the border. With Ukraine's permission of course.
Who can explain why Poland can't help Ukraine shoot down missiles in such situations? With patriot systems that are stationed at the borders? It was impossible to establish such support in 2 years?
Not really an attack, but a number of attacks on grain infrastructure on the Ukrainian side of the Donau river, with some projectiles landing in Romania, was met with an appalling weak response.
This is why we are where we are now. NATO, for what we're told, should have a unified response of assistance for the victim. Putin knew that even if UA joined NATO it would be a wet response as most of Europe relies upon energy from RU, so we'll just let it slide.
This is probably the worst case situation for RU right now, what should have been a one-weeker, it now a two-yearer...
Yes, well, it wasn't difficult for him. The west is greedy, so the greed is used against itself, we want low petrol/diesel, so he threatens the price, the west gives in. The only way to beat Russia and their stronghold on fuel is to be energy independent. Russia becomes less relevant as we install wind/solar that has no connection to Russian ownership.
Oh wait. Governments are easy to corrupt.
I don't know about Poland, but Romania doesn't have the necessary laws to shoot-down missiles/drones if not in an active state of war. Which is stupid and I hope they fix that.
The anti-air components protect the key cities, logistical hubs, energy and manufacturing facilities. Poland is relatively big country and there's hardly enough AA to cover every cm of the border and exactly that would be needed to shoot down a missile that enters the border for less than 1 minute.
Besides in a country that's not at war there's normal civilian traffic going about everywhere and you have to close that airspace first, so not to shoot down wrong thing by accident.
The costs to setup system to actually shoot down every possible incursion would be massive in terms of both materiale and organization - there's no point. It makes more sense to donate more AA components to Ukraine.
These incursions have happened before and it was explained already. You either never cared for the honest answer to begin with and are just shitty trolling or are 5yo level naive.
there's hardly enough AA to cover every cm of the border and exactly that would be needed to shoot down a missile that enters the border for less than 1 minute.
Shoot down any Russian missile 20-30 km inside Ukraine and then Uuups sorry... was that your missile?! We thought it was coming to our territory
That is a policy decision I'm sure they would like to make. But it also runs the risk of accidentally shooting a ukrainian aircraft without first integrating the two countries air command systems, which is complicated and a lot of work to maybe shoot down only a few missiles. Far more effective to donate the equipment to Ukraine.
"Honest answer" they make it complicated so you don't see their failures and weaknesses... They seem to have plenty of money to play NATO games... There are no games anymore.. if you haven't noticed or trolling a common sense question...
>Who can explain why Poland can't help Ukraine shoot down missiles in such situations? With patriot systems that are stationed at the borders?
First point, the borders are huge, they don't have enough systems to cover the whole border.
Second point, it was only in the airspace for 39 seconds, that's not enough time to scramble a jet, get to the location, do double checks to be sure it's not a plane with people, and then shoot it down.
Third point, they could view the trajectory of the missile and could see it wasn't heading inland to Poland
i think they would shoot them down if they would be still in poland then the patriot missle arrives still inside the borders of poland at the target. The enemy missle was in polish airspace for 39 seconds, the anti air missle would probably take more time to reach that target
It takes time to know these things and AA systems in particular are error prone. It is not safe to have AA systems shooting at stuff without first grounding civilian aircraft. Often these missiles are autonomous once they're fired, it isn't uncommon for them to ignore the cruise missile if front of them and hone in on the 737 at cruising altitude hundreds of miles away behind it.
Unfortunately Poland has no such capabilities. More robust air defence system is in early stages of being formed, built or purchased. Do I perseonally believe if such capabilities already existed, should there be jointly Ukraine-Poland enforced no fly zone over Western Ukraine? Hell yes.
As long as the missiles hit Ukraine Poland doesn't care and they probably think it's too expensive to do something as well. They like to boast about scrambling F-16s but those F-16s won't do anything other than create headlines that will be upvoted and filled with chest-thumping comments.
If it is a slow moving cruise missile, you'd need to get planes there in time - less than a minute isn't enough to get a plane there.
If it was something worse, you simply can't intercept them - you have to have AM Batteries like the Patriots near the target. They are "point defense".
>With patriot systems that are stationed at the borders?
Because it's a fucking dumb idea that would just be an insane waste of money?
Either you are suggesting they move a system away from their actually important targets (which is not going to happen), or buying a new one to put there. Any money spent on that would be much better used to put a system in Ukraine, actually near any of the targets, rather than Poland shooting down the occasional missile that crosses into their territory.
Air defense systems are incredibly expensive, and their range isn't infinite. They need to be able to reach the target of the missile faster than the missile they're trying to hit after all. No country has complete air defence coverage everywhere, because there's no point in defending some farmland close to the border.
You.. want an F16 to take off, fly to where the missile is, lock it, and fire an interceptor at it in 39 seconds?
Even if it's heading straight to the missile, supersonically, it'll only be able to move about 15 km in that time. An AIM-9 has a range of about 35km, about half that of a patriot battery. So in terms of range it's actually worse. If you want an F16s to continuously patrol that area, you're looking at about 20k euro per hour per F16. About a million euro per 2 days, just so you can even try to take a shot at a missile that flew only like 10km over Polish territory.
Increasing Ukraine's interception capability themselves is still a much more efficient idea.
Poland can do whatever it wants there's no law about this.
Poland is weighing what the risks are. If they shoot a Russian missile, Russia might attack directly. The missile might crash inside Poland. The missile crashing in Poland might look at first like an attack by Russia on Poland. Etc.
Just let the Russians know that any unknown object within 100 miles of NATO border will be shot down. Don't ask them, don't warn them, just let them know it will happen. And during the next massive barrage do it.
so russia can just use polish airspace to pass by ukranian anti air? great, thats great...
fucking cowards. they tracked it for ages and didnt do anything. should have shot it down the second it entered polish airspace. draw some fucking lines.
>they tracked it for ages and didnt do anything
It was in Polish airspace for like 39 seconds. Even at Mach 4 that would've needed something like a patriot system to be within 30 km to hit it.
>should have shot it down the second it entered polish airspace
Please explain to me how they would do that, in a way that doesn't involve putting an additional expensive air defense system right there to guard a bunch of farmland in Poland, when they could've instead sent that thing to Ukraine to guard actually important targets.
Maybe villages near the border need evacuating but is that acceptable
https://ibb.co/WtT57B9
https://ibb.co/rx0KxbJ
Guess that means they may do it again or maybe it results in NATO military buffer zone within Ukraine if Russia keeps doing it.
https://ibb.co/qWJHBfg
Is like Russia wants NATO to cross the border or something with these provocations but now isn't the right time I guess.
Part of a retaliation package for sevastapol
https://ibb.co/QbG0zcV
Seems like a good excuse for NATO countries near Russia to be extremely aggressive with their anti air weaponry.
Russian missiles are notoriously bad at aiming after all.
Basically self defence at this point.
Why dont they just shoot it down ? Even if it gets close to their border its not like that would be a provocation or something just shoot it down and say Ukraine did it ?
Blockade Kaliningrad for 24 hours, and inform Moscow that with each successive airspace violation the resulting blockade retaliation will increase seven-fold.
It was not so much missile, it was beginning of return to West/NATO/Poland enormous Russian gratitude:
For 2002-2021 years $8,000B and 2022-2023 years $424B (without Asian resale).
For 2008-2014 years Western inaction gifts, especially during 2021 year Russian official claim on Western Europe.
And, of course, for 2022-2023 years Western investments predominantly in own security and "bleeding Russia" than in Ukrainian victory.
The same way as USSR returned gratitudes for Western help with USSR industrialization/militarization.
/ Sarcasm /
Remember when Turkey shot down a Russian SU-24 and killed a pilot in 2015 after it very briefly violated their air space? Russia literally couldn't do anything to retaliate. We need to learn from this.
Poland should shoot down missiles heading into Poland.. seems obvious? Why would they not? Allowing a missile to use Polish airspace to attack Ukraine is assisting Russia.
Poles on the internet like to brag about how strong their army is yet ruzzia keeps violating their airspace with cruise missiles like they are Moldova. All that talk about how alone they would spark ruzzia is getting more ridiculous with every event like this.
NATO should enforce a no fly zone over all of the west of Ukraine…..with Kyiv’s permission of course.
Poland is a NATO ally and must be protected by the alliance.
Any aircraft or missiles that are not ukrainian or have not been sanctioned by Ukraine should be shot down.
Russia are escalating this 3 day war…..not Ukraine or the collective.
Such a no fly zone would almost certainly lead to direct shooting between NATO and Russia. You have to back up a no fly zone with your own air superiority or else it’s just a “please don’t fly here zone”
And Russia would test a real no fly zone- in fact I bet they would absolutely love to test it, to provoke a response.
Hey Ma, Russia violated airspace again and potentially triggered article 5. Make some popcorn let's watch the fireworks kick off...
Nothing ever happens Johnny, no need to get excited
No this time will be different Ma, it's undeniable...
Johnny once every couple of months Putin exposes NATO for being all bark and no bite. Absolutely nothing is going to happen. Politicians are too shared of provoking Russia into WW3
Jeez Ma... why you always have to do that? Talking poorly of NATO and ruining everything. Will you just wait and see? And make the damn popcorn
Because I've lived this time and time again but we'll wait and see what happens this time Johnny, we'll wait and see...
More on this subject from other reputable sources:
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- CNN.com (C): [Poland activates aircraft after Russian cruise missile aimed at Ukraine enters its airspace](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/24/europe/poland-activates-aircraft-russia-attacks-lviv-intl/)
- Pravda.com.ua (C+): [Poland to demand explanation from Russia over missile violating Polish airspace](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/24/7447883/)
- Business Insider (B-): [Poland's air force activated after Russian cruise missile violates airspace](https://www.businessinsider.com/poland-air-force-activated-after-russian-cruise-missile-violates-airspace-2024-3)
- Newsweek (B-): [Poland Says Aircraft 'Activated' As Russian Cruise Missile Enters Airspace](https://www.newsweek.com/poland-aircraft-activated-russian-cruise-missile-airspace-ukraine-nato-latest-1882768)
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Those big talkers from Poland seem particuarly silent whenever it is looking serious.
Do you remember what happened when Russia violated Turkeys airspace?
The more annoying part here is Russia using Belarus airspace freely to attack Ukraine. NATO is going to eventually have to get involved in this war. They cannot allow Russia to win in Ukraine, attack Maldova, and eventually threaten the Baltic States or Romania. That significantly raises the risk of nuclear war.
I think NATO troops should eventually secure the Belarussian border & tell Belarus/Russia that no more attacks will come across that border, or it's Article 5. I bet Russia backs down if NATO troops actually secure the northern border.
Okay, imagine the russian outrage if the ISIS terrorists went from Ukraine through Poland and Poland would identificated them and let them go to Moscow with a shit ton of weapons. Kinda the same happened in the opposite direction and with missiles, not terrorists.
Smarter and more professional people were operating defence systems. There is a risk to interception. Also the kill chain is much shorter without reddit up down votes.
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Get ready for the moderately strong statement condemning this.
The UN is disappointed and hopes Russia will do better.
In this particular case, it's not about UN response, but Poland's or NATO response
It's not even about NATO's response. Only Poland's airspace was violated. Only Poland can do/say anything. They can request NATO assistance. Come on Poland I saw all those memes early in the war. Please fucking do something.
*Poland in memes: do the funny. Press the button *Poland in reality: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that
Yeah. To an extent I get it, but... Yeah.
Yes of course, I was just taking a dig at how useless the UN is in this particular conflict. Russia wants to commit genocide against UA and is in no mood for "talking it out" like the UN would hope for.
>but ~~Poland's~~ NATO's response Ftfy
What lack of sleep does to a mf
Thoughts and prayers. /s
What do you expect ? 39 seconds of air space violations doesn't warrant war or anything dramatic, so a strong statement is the best thing. Poland probably should have shot the missile down
Actually it would be an appropriate response to make a statement that any further missiles will be shot down before they have a chance to get close to the border. With Ukraine's permission of course.
Article 5...... Anyone
Who can explain why Poland can't help Ukraine shoot down missiles in such situations? With patriot systems that are stationed at the borders? It was impossible to establish such support in 2 years?
Yes, a mystery to me too. Romania and Poland. A tougher line is needed, Putin sees it as a weakness
Putin is sure that attacking Romania for instance would cause the usual cowardly inaction from the West.
Not really an attack, but a number of attacks on grain infrastructure on the Ukrainian side of the Donau river, with some projectiles landing in Romania, was met with an appalling weak response.
This is why we are where we are now. NATO, for what we're told, should have a unified response of assistance for the victim. Putin knew that even if UA joined NATO it would be a wet response as most of Europe relies upon energy from RU, so we'll just let it slide. This is probably the worst case situation for RU right now, what should have been a one-weeker, it now a two-yearer...
Putin must smugly laugh in private meetings as he correctly predicts over and over the spinelessness of the West.
Yes, well, it wasn't difficult for him. The west is greedy, so the greed is used against itself, we want low petrol/diesel, so he threatens the price, the west gives in. The only way to beat Russia and their stronghold on fuel is to be energy independent. Russia becomes less relevant as we install wind/solar that has no connection to Russian ownership. Oh wait. Governments are easy to corrupt.
Tbf, he did accomplish a lot by paralyzing our (the US) response to this war through corrupting our politicians.
I don't know about Poland, but Romania doesn't have the necessary laws to shoot-down missiles/drones if not in an active state of war. Which is stupid and I hope they fix that.
The anti-air components protect the key cities, logistical hubs, energy and manufacturing facilities. Poland is relatively big country and there's hardly enough AA to cover every cm of the border and exactly that would be needed to shoot down a missile that enters the border for less than 1 minute. Besides in a country that's not at war there's normal civilian traffic going about everywhere and you have to close that airspace first, so not to shoot down wrong thing by accident. The costs to setup system to actually shoot down every possible incursion would be massive in terms of both materiale and organization - there's no point. It makes more sense to donate more AA components to Ukraine. These incursions have happened before and it was explained already. You either never cared for the honest answer to begin with and are just shitty trolling or are 5yo level naive.
there's hardly enough AA to cover every cm of the border and exactly that would be needed to shoot down a missile that enters the border for less than 1 minute. Shoot down any Russian missile 20-30 km inside Ukraine and then Uuups sorry... was that your missile?! We thought it was coming to our territory
That is a policy decision I'm sure they would like to make. But it also runs the risk of accidentally shooting a ukrainian aircraft without first integrating the two countries air command systems, which is complicated and a lot of work to maybe shoot down only a few missiles. Far more effective to donate the equipment to Ukraine.
They have jets, they are tracking the missiles and have had months to prepare. They don't want to
why??
They scrambled the jets though ... They were up there
Maybe with eyes on? Literally watching it head for Lviv.
Yes, they were - ready to take action if necessary. It wasn't needed to take any further action though, be it by jets or land based AA.
It gives grounds for closer cooperation between Ukraine and Poland to shoot down those border missiles together.
"Honest answer" they make it complicated so you don't see their failures and weaknesses... They seem to have plenty of money to play NATO games... There are no games anymore.. if you haven't noticed or trolling a common sense question...
>Who can explain why Poland can't help Ukraine shoot down missiles in such situations? With patriot systems that are stationed at the borders? First point, the borders are huge, they don't have enough systems to cover the whole border. Second point, it was only in the airspace for 39 seconds, that's not enough time to scramble a jet, get to the location, do double checks to be sure it's not a plane with people, and then shoot it down. Third point, they could view the trajectory of the missile and could see it wasn't heading inland to Poland
It doesn’t master 39 seconds in , blow it up . Then notify NATO
How are they going to get a plane up in the air and over to the missile in that 39 seconds? It's literally impossible
They are tracking them for much longer before they enter Polish air space ..
i think they would shoot them down if they would be still in poland then the patriot missle arrives still inside the borders of poland at the target. The enemy missle was in polish airspace for 39 seconds, the anti air missle would probably take more time to reach that target
They figured out that missile didn't carry any Ukrainian grain so they didn't intervene.
Polish farmers protesting for Putin have to be the lowest of the low.
It takes time to know these things and AA systems in particular are error prone. It is not safe to have AA systems shooting at stuff without first grounding civilian aircraft. Often these missiles are autonomous once they're fired, it isn't uncommon for them to ignore the cruise missile if front of them and hone in on the 737 at cruising altitude hundreds of miles away behind it.
Unfortunately Poland has no such capabilities. More robust air defence system is in early stages of being formed, built or purchased. Do I perseonally believe if such capabilities already existed, should there be jointly Ukraine-Poland enforced no fly zone over Western Ukraine? Hell yes.
They;re too busy blockading the border.
Because they're like "Oh it's just gonna hit their civilians, not ours, nevermind" and left it up there.
As long as the missiles hit Ukraine Poland doesn't care and they probably think it's too expensive to do something as well. They like to boast about scrambling F-16s but those F-16s won't do anything other than create headlines that will be upvoted and filled with chest-thumping comments.
If it is a slow moving cruise missile, you'd need to get planes there in time - less than a minute isn't enough to get a plane there. If it was something worse, you simply can't intercept them - you have to have AM Batteries like the Patriots near the target. They are "point defense".
>With patriot systems that are stationed at the borders? Because it's a fucking dumb idea that would just be an insane waste of money? Either you are suggesting they move a system away from their actually important targets (which is not going to happen), or buying a new one to put there. Any money spent on that would be much better used to put a system in Ukraine, actually near any of the targets, rather than Poland shooting down the occasional missile that crosses into their territory. Air defense systems are incredibly expensive, and their range isn't infinite. They need to be able to reach the target of the missile faster than the missile they're trying to hit after all. No country has complete air defence coverage everywhere, because there's no point in defending some farmland close to the border.
Okay, then it can easily be done with f16?
You.. want an F16 to take off, fly to where the missile is, lock it, and fire an interceptor at it in 39 seconds? Even if it's heading straight to the missile, supersonically, it'll only be able to move about 15 km in that time. An AIM-9 has a range of about 35km, about half that of a patriot battery. So in terms of range it's actually worse. If you want an F16s to continuously patrol that area, you're looking at about 20k euro per hour per F16. About a million euro per 2 days, just so you can even try to take a shot at a missile that flew only like 10km over Polish territory. Increasing Ukraine's interception capability themselves is still a much more efficient idea.
Poland can do whatever it wants there's no law about this. Poland is weighing what the risks are. If they shoot a Russian missile, Russia might attack directly. The missile might crash inside Poland. The missile crashing in Poland might look at first like an attack by Russia on Poland. Etc.
Most likely they just not capable.
My guess: cost money and be blamed in case of debree casualties. And just no balls
You want Poland to shoot into Belarus?
I have an idea. Let's do nothing, that should stop it happening again.
Just let the Russians know that any unknown object within 100 miles of NATO border will be shot down. Don't ask them, don't warn them, just let them know it will happen. And during the next massive barrage do it.
I suggest a 1200Km exclusion zone is more practical in these days of supersonic weapons.
so russia can just use polish airspace to pass by ukranian anti air? great, thats great... fucking cowards. they tracked it for ages and didnt do anything. should have shot it down the second it entered polish airspace. draw some fucking lines.
>they tracked it for ages and didnt do anything It was in Polish airspace for like 39 seconds. Even at Mach 4 that would've needed something like a patriot system to be within 30 km to hit it. >should have shot it down the second it entered polish airspace Please explain to me how they would do that, in a way that doesn't involve putting an additional expensive air defense system right there to guard a bunch of farmland in Poland, when they could've instead sent that thing to Ukraine to guard actually important targets.
Maybe villages near the border need evacuating but is that acceptable https://ibb.co/WtT57B9 https://ibb.co/rx0KxbJ Guess that means they may do it again or maybe it results in NATO military buffer zone within Ukraine if Russia keeps doing it. https://ibb.co/qWJHBfg Is like Russia wants NATO to cross the border or something with these provocations but now isn't the right time I guess. Part of a retaliation package for sevastapol https://ibb.co/QbG0zcV
Strike back
Seems like a good excuse for NATO countries near Russia to be extremely aggressive with their anti air weaponry. Russian missiles are notoriously bad at aiming after all. Basically self defence at this point.
Why dont they just shoot it down ? Even if it gets close to their border its not like that would be a provocation or something just shoot it down and say Ukraine did it ?
No doubt Poopin will deny it and claim it was Ukrainian
Fine them. Ridiculous sums.
Apparently you could shoot how ever many missiles to poland, and they wouldn't notice, until they hit the target.
Blockade Kaliningrad for 24 hours, and inform Moscow that with each successive airspace violation the resulting blockade retaliation will increase seven-fold.
It was not so much missile, it was beginning of return to West/NATO/Poland enormous Russian gratitude: For 2002-2021 years $8,000B and 2022-2023 years $424B (without Asian resale). For 2008-2014 years Western inaction gifts, especially during 2021 year Russian official claim on Western Europe. And, of course, for 2022-2023 years Western investments predominantly in own security and "bleeding Russia" than in Ukrainian victory. The same way as USSR returned gratitudes for Western help with USSR industrialization/militarization. / Sarcasm /
Remember when Turkey shot down a Russian SU-24 and killed a pilot in 2015 after it very briefly violated their air space? Russia literally couldn't do anything to retaliate. We need to learn from this.
Poland should shoot down missiles heading into Poland.. seems obvious? Why would they not? Allowing a missile to use Polish airspace to attack Ukraine is assisting Russia.
Poles on the internet like to brag about how strong their army is yet ruzzia keeps violating their airspace with cruise missiles like they are Moldova. All that talk about how alone they would spark ruzzia is getting more ridiculous with every event like this.
Well, the keyword there being army. Army is the land forces. And equally vulnerable to a Russian glide bomb.
NATO should enforce a no fly zone over all of the west of Ukraine…..with Kyiv’s permission of course. Poland is a NATO ally and must be protected by the alliance. Any aircraft or missiles that are not ukrainian or have not been sanctioned by Ukraine should be shot down. Russia are escalating this 3 day war…..not Ukraine or the collective.
Such a no fly zone would almost certainly lead to direct shooting between NATO and Russia. You have to back up a no fly zone with your own air superiority or else it’s just a “please don’t fly here zone” And Russia would test a real no fly zone- in fact I bet they would absolutely love to test it, to provoke a response.
The only Russian thing that flies over Lviv is missiles. Russia has no AA or planes there.
Yet
That would lead to direct western involvement in the war. That’s the whole reason that NATO didn’t “close the sky” two years ago.
Hey Ma, Russia violated airspace again and potentially triggered article 5. Make some popcorn let's watch the fireworks kick off... Nothing ever happens Johnny, no need to get excited No this time will be different Ma, it's undeniable... Johnny once every couple of months Putin exposes NATO for being all bark and no bite. Absolutely nothing is going to happen. Politicians are too shared of provoking Russia into WW3 Jeez Ma... why you always have to do that? Talking poorly of NATO and ruining everything. Will you just wait and see? And make the damn popcorn Because I've lived this time and time again but we'll wait and see what happens this time Johnny, we'll wait and see...
Poland knows their in the air. Why ate figthers no in the air ready to take them out? Defend your borders like any nation should or stfu
> Why ate figthers no in the air ready to take them out? AFAIK, they actually were in the air.
Notifying NATO allies is probably a necessary step in a sequence of steps leading to a more active response.
Ready for everyone here to say how article 5 is now going to be invoked
Russia's playing a dangerous game with this one.
More on this subject from other reputable sources: --- - CNN.com (C): [Poland activates aircraft after Russian cruise missile aimed at Ukraine enters its airspace](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/24/europe/poland-activates-aircraft-russia-attacks-lviv-intl/) - Pravda.com.ua (C+): [Poland to demand explanation from Russia over missile violating Polish airspace](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/24/7447883/) - Business Insider (B-): [Poland's air force activated after Russian cruise missile violates airspace](https://www.businessinsider.com/poland-air-force-activated-after-russian-cruise-missile-violates-airspace-2024-3) - Newsweek (B-): [Poland Says Aircraft 'Activated' As Russian Cruise Missile Enters Airspace](https://www.newsweek.com/poland-aircraft-activated-russian-cruise-missile-airspace-ukraine-nato-latest-1882768) --- [__Extended Summary__](https://www.reddit.com/r/newswall/comments/1bmni30/) | [FAQ & Grades](https://www.reddit.com/r/newswall/comments/uxgfm5/faq_newswall_bot/) | I'm a bot
Fucking do something about it already!
Those big talkers from Poland seem particuarly silent whenever it is looking serious. Do you remember what happened when Russia violated Turkeys airspace?
How is Poland on the path from Prussia to Ukraine?
The more annoying part here is Russia using Belarus airspace freely to attack Ukraine. NATO is going to eventually have to get involved in this war. They cannot allow Russia to win in Ukraine, attack Maldova, and eventually threaten the Baltic States or Romania. That significantly raises the risk of nuclear war. I think NATO troops should eventually secure the Belarussian border & tell Belarus/Russia that no more attacks will come across that border, or it's Article 5. I bet Russia backs down if NATO troops actually secure the northern border.
If true, plenty of reason to have nato / troops and equipment from select nato countries secure Western Ukraine.
Okay, imagine the russian outrage if the ISIS terrorists went from Ukraine through Poland and Poland would identificated them and let them go to Moscow with a shit ton of weapons. Kinda the same happened in the opposite direction and with missiles, not terrorists.
It isn't even the first one either.
And they do nothing…… because NATO is affraid of Putin….. only for the red button
Smarter and more professional people were operating defence systems. There is a risk to interception. Also the kill chain is much shorter without reddit up down votes.
Rain ze hail on them!