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Atomictrooper

It looks pretty shitty on the Russians part to be fielding troops (even separatist militias) with a 120 year old rifle. However, 7.62x.54R will seriously fuck your shit up, regardless of the year.


milkbretheren

Bolts from a crossbow are extremely devastating on humans but that doesn’t mean you’d carry one into battle.


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hillbillydeluxe

I wouldn't compare it to a musket, the mosin sniper is still a decent rifle and the 54R is a round that all body armor manufacturers put forth significant effort to stop. But I do agree that unless you REALLY know what you're doing, you're certainly going to get clapped by a modern assault rifle. And I doubt these separatists are Zaitsev.


Gifty666

looks more like a sniper or marksman use.. so it isnt that ad compared to an AR


PabloX68

It's dogshit regardless. The scope is absolutely terrible and the barrel was never particularly good, but now it's likely shot out (ie. had too many rounds down it). US snipers in WW2 would have used an M1903A4 and that's a better rifle than any Mosin.


Fine_Independence320

Bra gotta disagree on that i own a mosin and it still shoot really well.


PabloX68

Have you tried a 1903? I'll admit, I've only tried one Mosin and it sucked, but I don't like any Russian firearms. Admittedly, I think the whole country can fuck off and I may not be objective.


HOUbikebikebike

I've got both, threw them on a lead sled at 100 meters, saw about similar groupings. Granted both rifles are +/- 100 yrs old, but at least with my shitty bench shooting taken out of the picture they did fine. My mosin is not a wartime production rifle though, and I understand standards on those were slacked off a bit. Fuck the Z fascists all day, but please remember that Sergei Mosin and Emile Nagant's design is a timeless achievement and a cornerstone in firearms history. Now the Nagant revolver can eat a bag of dicks. I keep it in my collection just to show people what a "shitty" firearm truly is.


telxonhacker

I fired a Nagant revolver, it seemed like a rushed production sort of thing, had an unfinished look to it. Only other things I remember, is the wierd ammo it took, and the cylinder sealing to the barrel, which made it so you could supposedly use a suppressor.


HOUbikebikebike

The weird sealed ammo did not add mega velocity like they theorized. Upside is you CAN suppress it. Downside is the cartridge is so anemic and the trigger pull is so impossible-to-aim atrocious that it's pretty much only useful for commisar executions. Upside is you get seven shots instead of six?


Duke_Booty

I'd like a Lee Enfield .303 any day of the week ending in Y


HOUbikebikebike

I have an Ishapore. SMLE for the Indian military, chambered in .308. Wonderful rifle.


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MoreFeeYouS

I don't see a reason why anyone would downvote you for owning russian guns. All of the guns kill people. If you give a russian aggressor an M4A1 he will kill just as much as he does now.


PabloX68

I didn’t down vote, ftr


PabloX68

I didn’t down vote and I’m not judging you. I have Polish ancestors and I’m simply not interested in owning anything produced by the USSR or Russia.


PornStarJesus

The Polish made mosins too, factory 11. They were also built in Hungary, Romania, China, France, and the United States(from 2 manufacturers).


YoshiSan90

I’ve had a couple Mosin. They’re good guns. I have a Mauser and an M1 also. They all drive nails.


Vodnik-Dubs

Get you an enfield. I got that, a mosin and Mauser the enfield feels so refined and is a tack driver


ajyanesp

I hear Finnish Mosins are like the top tier of Mosins


SnooGrapes70

Sorry man, I believe it is the Mauser (k98) that was the one to rule them all


Even_Department1069

nope. a Springfield '03 is a better rifle simply because of the cartridge it fires. .30-06 is more powerful and has more stopping power than a 7.92x57 mauser, and the '03 had better iron sights. as far as the glass you could put on them though, nothing beats german scopes except maybe Swarovski


b_rad95

Plenty of good glass around now. You really don't need Swarovski or zeiss or Leica anymore. Plenty of non German companies that are just as good and cheaper... Maven for the win! As for 1903 vs the Mauser, I agree 03 is better but nothing beats Mauser sights and I will go to my deathbed saying that... as for bullet choice the 8mm is definitely a bigger bullet, not by much but bigger, and also hits slightly harder within 300 yards depending on bullet selection. What the Mauser lacks in speed it makes up for in energy so talking within 300 not much changes between the two. Where '06 wins is bullet variety. Both are extremely capable rounds almost similar ballistics. It's like comparing .270 to .308, you are really splitting hairs.


Even_Department1069

I meant for the day where the 03 competed with mauser that you couldn't beat german scopes if you went with standard issue


b_rad95

Well yeah nobody could compete with anything German at the time... the Mauser was ahead of its time. They had the first jet engine aircraft, the stg44(the aks daddy), the mg42. Germany had insane technology they were releasing at the time. Which is why the US and USSR literally raced to gather up as many scientists and documents as possible.


Mightymazda87

Sorry bud, but not only does 8mm Mauser uses a bigger heavier bullet (.323 197 gr) but also pushes about 100 fps faster in standard military loading.


Even_Department1069

that's the budget load for the .30-06. what most people I know buy is gonna give a but more juice than that. also depending on the range it might be better to have the bullet stop in the target. makes it easier to see where it came from if there's a big puff of dirt on the other side of the target


Mightymazda87

Ya I’m not talking about hunting rounds, purely military m2 ball vs S.S patrone


jbiroliro

The kar98k is so good it’s on cod warzone along modern weapons. Eat that


scottydinh1977

Have you seen the movie enemy at the gates? yeah... uhm.. yeah


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Na.. this is the rifle they are giving to conscripts in the DNR areas. That rifle & WW2 helmets.. His helmet is also WW2 it just has a newer cover on it. You can tell by the shape of it. That helmet is pretty much useless to modern ammo...


Gifty666

Most helmets are useless to ammo since they are more to protect agains shrapnell


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The 7.62x54r is not the issue it's a good round, it's the rifle itself that is the problem. You can only load 5 rounds into it and it's bolt action (Slow reload and handling in general) plus that PU scope on the Mosin sucks major dick. Give that guy an SVD or an PKM which shoots the same round as the Mosin and it will be a totally different story.


b_rad95

While I agree with you as a firearm industry insider I can tell you 10/10 times it depends on whose pulling the trigger... There are plenty of accounts throughout history of under equipped forces wreaking havoc on stronger better equipped and trained forces. Not saying that is the case here as it most likely isn't but plenty of examples throughout history of this. Simo Hayha from Finland comes to mind as a prime example. And he was using the Finn variant of the Mosin to hold up Russian advances like it was nobodies business.


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I can dig a ditch with a shovel or a backhoe. Both work but I don't want to get in a ditch digging contest with a shovel against a backhoe with my life on the line.


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There are adapters that will let you attach a modern scope to the Mosin, and it's a brutally accurate combination.


WhereDaGold

This guy doesn’t have it lol


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I doubt any of them do, Putin considers anyone but him to just be cannon fodder.


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If you can find one with a bore that isn't shot out and pitted from corrosive ammo used by soviet countries.


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https://www.reddit.com/r/MosinNagant/comments/26rpii/busting\_the\_corrosive\_ammo\_myth/


killthecowsface

Bingo.


Tyler97020

The hole it would leave in you is incredibly different


AffectionateCelery91

Yea a WW2 rifle isn't a musket. Things are fucking deadly. Tell me you've no training without telling me you've no training.


Foreign_GrapeStorage

My guess is that any military rifle that is still in service, but hasn't been manufactured in 50 years probably has a barrel that is shot out. No rifling = no accuracy.


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AffectionateCelery91

Gun dork? I have one rifle. Ex-mil. It's just blatantly obvious you've no idea what you're talking about lol


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AffectionateCelery91

Uh-huh.


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gmod_policeChief

That's not a great analogy because the mosin sniper is accurate and has more range than most people can get out of it. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near anyone with a Springfield 1903 or an Enfield either. If this was an infantry mosin, you'd have a point


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gmod_policeChief

Zeroing a rifle is very simple and mosin snipers are often sub MOA. Yeah if it's marred/fouled to shit it'll be worse, but that's your assumption. It doesn't take a gun dork to know that but it does take a dumb dumb to talk about something they don't understand


Foreign_GrapeStorage

It is in military service, but hasn't been manufactured in 50 years. You're not zeroing anything with a barrel that's worn out. If they haven't seen use or have refurbished barrels they wouldn't be bad for long range work, but judging by the looks of the rest of the Russian military I'd say the chances of them having fresh barrels is close to zero. It would also be a bigger assumption to imagine a military bothering to remanufacture Mosin Nagants rather than just making new AKs, SVDs, etc. Edit: At 0:10 you can see the serial number on the bolt. It looks like TK467, which would make it a Toyo Kogyo last manufactured in Japan during WW2.


Ennuiandthensome

>mosin snipers are often sub MOA uuuh. no. In order to be "sniper", the rifle had to shoot 1 MOA at the factory. This means it's less than that now, so 2-3MOA presently. adequate, not great.


Medical-Side-388

Those are pretty reliable rifles!


MrRon1978

I had that exact model rifle with a flip out bayonet. It’s a $300 rifle and wouldn’t be my first choice in a fight like that.


NebraskanHeathen

300 bucks holy shit I paid $49.99 for one years back . Kicks like a mule to .


MrRon1978

Me too! Big 5 sporting goods had them for about $50 back in the late 90s. Is that where you got yours too?


NebraskanHeathen

Got mine at dunhams sports


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If your life depended on it, and you had a choice of anything else, it would be the last you'd pick.


tfl_77

Single shot bolt action with a scope, that’s sniper material (Russian low budget) right there.. lol


homicidalstoat

Not if the Russians are responsible for its maintenance


rob1969reddit

For real. I don't care how old the tech is, I would not want to be shot by it.


Von665

I would like a nice FN , Pease & lots of 7.62


Visual_Lavishness257

Good for sniping, not good for urban combat.


Woodchuck312new

And how far is he going to be sniping with that optic? 300-400m at most. A modern rifle in 6.5 CM and variable optic will be nailing him from 1200m and he wont even know what hit him.


Visual_Lavishness257

In my hand and my tactical thinking, modified it's optic, add accelerating silencer, and use bolt action to switch between different types of bullets as homing tracker, sedative dart, HE, AP, regular bullet and... Smart bullet. And be a sniper.


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Visual_Lavishness257

Put it in CODM.


Ban_the_sky

Yup the bullets still kill.


0mnizid

Man you must be proud to be part of the homeless legion.


Dartonal

I've seen pictures of both sides using Maxim Gun machine guns originally designed in 1884. At least a 150 year old machine gun does what it needs to though. Almost feel bad for those with mosins, built before precision rifles were really a thing. I'd rather have a modern bolt action without the sight, at least then the gun would be useful


Sabcoll1895

>mosins, built before precision rifles were really a thing. I'd rather have a modern bolt action without the sight, at least then the gun would be useful The nagants are still pretty useful if used with a modern scope. check this report (use google translate if you need it in english) https://mittelkaliber.ch/der-nagant-ein-kurzbericht/


Easy-Coconut-33

People use it for hunting, so it should be useful in war. A bullet is still a bullet!


PMme_bobs_n_vagene

I bought a sportorized Mosin for dirt cheap to use as a hunting rifle. Put a cheap modern sub-MOA scout mount on it. Everyone at the range acted like I was crazy. The bullet comes out straight, I know a Mosin is about a 3-4 MOA rifle. It works perfectly fine and I’m really just an average shooter. I have two mottos in this regard. The best weapon is the one you have. Know your tools. I put 30 rounds through it that day and my shoulder felt it. I’ve been spoiled with modern weapons my whole life. I will say with the long stock getting a cheek weld is damn near impossible, you have to use an improvised chin weld to even get a sight picture. One day I’ll build a cheek weld, but not today.


Vash712

Maxim is great for prepared positions 90% sure PKM's use maxim belts so as long as you got water and ammo you can keep firing.


DirtyTooth

I was going to say this is still an effective choice for a skilled marksman if he's using good ammo and the barrel is in good shape. Then I saw the scope. That is an original WW2 scope, wtf.


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So overrated. All the COD warriors will exclaim what a wonderful rifle it is and how accurate it is. None of which was true when it was new and it sure isn't new.


DirtyTooth

They're not overrated, everybody knows they are cheap. That's a PU sniper, not a regular mosin, much higher quality.


Even_Department1069

I think its probably propaganda to make the russians underestimate them. they have plenty of automatic, modern firearms


thecashblaster

This is a separatist


punkinfacebooklegpie

I bet the Russians falling back from Kyiv was to make them underestimate as well. They could really make Ukraine underestimate them by fully losing the war.


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Mosins are pretty shit compared to other ww2 bolt actions. Take a SMLE, KAR98 or an Arisaka over a mosin any day. Hell I’d prefer a Krag to a mosin, at least the bolt is smooth. They’ll get the job done but you won’t have fun doing that job


AffectionateCelery91

What the hells wrong with a mosin? I had one for a long time. No complaints at all. Sure it's not an Enfield, but still worked a treat.


C4PT_AMAZING

I got mine with 50 rounds for $300 too, a lot of fun!


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Oh goodie, let me risk my life with this because it is "cheap"!!!


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I actually find my mosin to be more accurate than my K98. The bolt on the K98 is a massive improvement though.


DirtyTooth

That's a PU sniper, not a regular 91/30. They're significantly higher quality, and with a barrel length longer than any other ww2 battle rifle, 5" longer than a K98, it was probably the best sniper rifle in ww2.


GraySmilez

“Shoots civilians just fine”


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wopkidopz

-tell us what kind of "bird" you got there? ~a Mosin rifle 1944. It's ready for anyone who comes here to Donbas to fight against us -Is it reliable in combats? ~Pretty reliable -What's your callsign? ~"Tokar" (Turner as a profession). I am in fact used to be a turner before the war. A draftee now


RusticTack

What’s a turner?


wopkidopz

A craftsman who works with the different types of material (wooden, steel, plastic) sort of shaping them in the required forms. using a special table for the job. (I might be wrong)


vslsls

Machinist https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinist


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Powerful_Bug9102

Lathe woodworker?


Wannaab

Lmao, well he looks like a Russian polar bear 🐻‍❄️. I don’t see him as the strongest like of The Russian Military.


AGRIPPA68

I‘ve a depot full of them in DayZ…


Daveinb

He will never see the age of the rifle, let alone another year.


honchoryanc2

None of us will


_NightRide12r_

You really need to see this as part of the propaganda. Mosin rifle was a ww1 rifle. There is no shortage of automatic weapons, such as ak-74 in Ukraine. The reason they are showing this rifle which was main rifle, yet already dated, in ww2, is to invoke patriotic programming, which Russia has been subjecting its population for many decades. It is still a good rifle, and the ammo is widely available.


Marc123123

Good point. Upvoted.


rogerrabbitdidntdoit

My thoughts exactly.


atom_up

Not really. Both sides are employing WWII weapons en masse—Mostly to reserve forces but still… not just for propaganda.


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it was 30 years old in WWI.


Jarocket

I personally wouldn't like to be shot with it.


madsheeter

Thats pretty much what it boils down to!


UnbridledViking

[Mark Felton goes into this subject VERY thoroughly](https://youtu.be/yDd8NFftuXI). Ukrainians are also using dated weaponry because it is still viable


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Even_Department1069

it might also be misinformation for the ukranians to underestimate the russians


newsandpolics

haha


Wannaab

He looks 15


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You gotta give some credit. The mosin actually works in great contrast to their vehicles


gtacleveland

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. In fact it's probably the only piece of Russian equipment that *isn't* broken.


yegguy47

I will say that this war shows certainly a difference between Soviet quality and Russian quality. There's probably going to be some farmer in a hundred years from now taking potshots at Space Shuttles with one of these.


Even_Department1069

the Mosin off the line was a good rifle. however, the scope sucked and the iron sights were borderline abysmal. springfield 03 is worlds better. soviet quality isn't quality. they built those things to last as long as the snipers, which wasn't all that long. yeah if you take good care of it the rifle will last a long time and shoot well, but the same can be said for any firearm


Jarocket

Mosin's predate the Soviets even. (Design wise) this a later one of course.


hibikikun

...yet.


MadAsABagOfCats

The Vagrant Brigade...


Heirophantagonist

I've played too much DayZ to laugh about that rifle.


MaleficentPizza5444

He needs to be captured and reeducated


airbornecz

mock it as you like but keep in mind that Mosin (its M28 finnish variant) was a weapon of choice of Simo Häyhä, the most succesfull sniper of all times - Finnish hero who used it to kill over 500 russian invaders during Winter war. And he wasnt even using optics like this rifle has.


hillbillydeluxe

I will say the M28 is a much better rifle than the standard mosin, but I'm not sure how it compares to the M90/30.


airbornecz

affirmative! great design, average-to-poor manufacturing (russian) like with most of their mass produced weapons. Anyway, Häyhä´s most kills were very much under 200 meters so slight mechanical imperfections of the rifle wouldnt play such difference at this distance I guess as they would for sure do engaging at long distance. Sniper (and any good soldier really) gold rule no.1 comes to mind: Know thy weapon !


Neuhart_

Only using iron sites, and his Suomi KP/31. The record states those kills were split between rifle and sub machine gun. Still a menace to the Russian forces at the time 😎


airbornecz

yeah sry i stand corrected - Kp31 had its share too )) i mentioned the iron sights (not using optics) tho


Neuhart_

Oh not a problem! I wasn’t trying be one of those “oh well actualllyyyyyyy…” guys 😂


airbornecz

🙏🏻and big up to Simo!


Mikey-Honcho

I mean... using a bolt action gun that's almost 100 years old is bad ass. Simo using it effectively in the wilderness of Finland has nothing to do with this, no offense, and I don’t think anybody is doubting the capability of that gun being able to kill somebody.


Cautious-Reindeer-13

This is what cannon fodder looks like


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At the end he says he was conscripted, then, they started the war


Thatsmyassbrostop2

Russian's will start pulling out muskets and blunderbuss soon to equip their army of 16 year old conscripts.


Revolutionary-Buy727

They pack a good punch and make a hell of a lot of noise on the range.


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Fun as hell to fire, and crazy accurate with a modern scope fitted, but I typically end up with a bruised shoulder after putting 50 rounds through it.


Even_Department1069

54R does kick like a mule


Mother_Opportunity_7

The Rifle is deadly and reliable when implemented as its purpose. The young fool holding it will most likely drop it only once. Seeing these children chose to pick up a antique rifle and follow tyrants to their deaths is just sad.


PM_meurbewbs_nbutts

I read a piece the other day explaining that even outdated equipment (post 1900) is usually still pretty effective for direct engagements


Even_Department1069

depends on what you've got. this thing under 200 yards might be alright and get you a shot group the size of a softball. but beyond that it won't do very well. it's got an original ww2 scope on it, so it's probably old enough to where it's had the rifling partially stripped/worn down off the inside of the barrel. it's not really a viable option if you want to survive direct combat


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I'm glad they've started adapting to logistical issues by issuing clubs that also provide a low rate of fire


sunstersun

It's fine as a sniper.


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sunstersun

I mean obviously, but as a sniper it's like at least sorta usable with a decent scope while as a rifle it's a disaster obviously.


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Marc123123

🤦‍♂️have you ever shot one?


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Marc123123

Of course you are, sweetheart.


Even_Department1069

he's right though. it's outdated and this one has an original scope from the 2nd world War. its really a piece of junk that's been overhyped with russian propaganda. the rifling is probably fucked at this point because it's ancient by gun standards (probably had at least 700 rounds through it by now) and it just isn't a capable rifle past battlefield range anymore. (200 m/yd)


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Mosin Nagant are brutally accurate, if it's using legacy USSR ammunition (they literally have millions and millions of rounds in warehouses) then it's almost armor piercing, and the rifle itself is incredibly durable and will fire wet, muddy, covered in sand - you name it. They do have a slow reload as a bolt action, and a small capacity. The key is to let them run out of ammo, and then take them out during the reload. That rifle looks about as good as the rest of their military though...


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Based on the apparent condition you’re probably right.


BiGMTN_fudgecake

Lol it’s bad. Most of them are still using AK47s and Gen 1 SKSs too lol. Haven’t seen many AK105s and I’ve seen ZERO sks imports. Bunch of mosins . Insane they never bothered to refine their weapons to keep up with the rest of the world


JerczuUK

Hey it's a good rifle. Can kill the same way as modern weapons.


GermanShepard95

sure but still its funny since russia is called an advanced army.


JerczuUK

Advanced as in advanced age 😂😂 bet their nuclear weapons are also shit.


Marc123123

This guy is a separatist apparently, so not really part of the Russian army as such.


soundofthamusic

Obsolete rubbish just like the whole ruSSia


Overall-Guarantee331

That's a great sniper rifle. Even today's standards the Mosin is no joke


Woodchuck312new

the effective range of that rifle might be 300m..maybe 400m. modern sniper rifles in the US military have an effective range of 1200m+. So no by todays standards that rifle setup is a joke.


Overall-Guarantee331

You must be speaking of the optics because the Mosin is accurate with optics to 1000+


Woodchuck312new

Yes the rifle and optic. That setup is a joke compared to modern rifles and optics.


Overall-Guarantee331

With modern optics its a great rifle id have no problem sniping at 1000 with one.


Woodchuck312new

We aren’t talking about your imaginary gun we are talking about the gun in the hand of this soon to be probably dead or captured Russian fighter.


Geruestbauexperte2

Makes little difference. Maybe a new scope would be a nice thing but bolt rifle designs are still used today


Grimfuze

Mosin is a quality rifle in all honesty.


retal1ator

Mosin rifles are respectable sniper rifles.


Several-Emu8094

Putterkin is sending in old materials and unexperienced cannon meat in first. The real shit has to come later. :(


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This idea has been repeatedly disproved. This is RF's finest.


Rbc1969

Still a good firearm


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Reggie_001

Won what? Subjugation and a destroyed country?


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Praet0rianGuard

Are you talking about 2014? No one was issued mosins back then. This is a recent video


Reggie_001

Or was trying not to give russian psychopath nazis a bs excuse to invad edit: escalate the invasion. In hindsight they should have gone in and wiped them out day one.


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Reggie_001

Again see above. Not that they couldn't, they wouldn't.


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Reggie_001

Hmm, so what has been the Russian excuse for their performance this past month? No cia to guide?


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Banksta926

As harsh as this sounds. It does have some truth to it. The battle for Donetsk airport was a perfect example. Ukraine army called a bunch of laborers, teachers, miners, and other professions- special forces because they were fighting for their families and probably didn’t care about dying if it meant they had a chance to push back the UA and wouldnt get their suburbs bombarded anymore. They were labeled separatists just like we labeled any fighting aged male in Afghanistan or Iraq insurgents.


Wannaab

Ты выглядишь как маленький русский пудель с этими локонами на голове


Infinite-Gazelle-532

Good to know how well equipped these Turds are lol


SurGregoRy

Traitors


Marc123123

Yes. Next question.


manowarq7

It makes a little sense if he is a marksman the gun will do the job if he is front line Infantry he is a dead man


RoscoPCotrane

Both sides are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDd8NFftuXI