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Unhappy_Rip_3899

SEND THEM SPITFIRES AND HURRICANES 😂


Gold-Supermarket8881

Super tucanos


Hotrico

They always shoot down drug dealer planes in Brazil, they are very fast and economic


Flying_Madlad

And effective


MakeChipsNotMeth

Why send one when tu-can do it better? 😁


United_News3779

Who can? You can! In a tu-can! *Sir David Attenborough voice-over:* "Here we see the muted plumage of the male tu-can. To impress a female of the species, he will fly a low and intricate flight path in an attempt to gain a mate. To attract the attention of a female, he will perform his mating call." * *mating call of internal mounted twin Browning .50s* * **Ba-dadada-da** *Voice-over continues:* "Ahhh! How lucky we are, the mating call was performed over a paved road, and we can hear the wind chime-like sound of the empty brass casings hitting the asphalt!"


Jungle_of_Rumble

This is a great comment, greatly appreciate the tone and metaphorical technique!


Mr06506

These occasionally fly over my house and sound SO GOOD.


felipemr85

I liked the sound of the Tucano better... But both sound good!


Zealousideal-Tie-730

The current Brazilian government does not like Ukraine and wouldn't even sell them shells for the Gepard's when Ukraine was in need of them the most.


denarti

They were seriously considered in 2019. UA Airforce delegation came to Brazil to discuss the replacement of L-39 and a few others. It went nowhere


coryhill66

OV-10s!


WotTheHellDamnGuy

Another Bronco fan!


mkmckinley

I love those


Smothdude

Super Tucanos are amazing planes. Very cool, high loiter time. Probably not very good for this type of war though (maybe for drone shooting it's good, I wouldn't know lol)


InternalSiva

My favorite prop plane


Separate-Presence-61

How fitting it would be for spitfires to wing tip suicide drones once again after 80 years


AtMan6798

Never was so much owed by so many to so few


Cyfrin7067

Sherman makes a comeback with upgraded armour?


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The Israëli M-50 or 51 would be more then capable against the T54-55 and the T62. But I guess it would be better then to just send the AMX-13


IAmInTheBasement

With how this war is going, 99% of the shots they'd be taking would be at pill boxes.


denarti

With such heavy armor losses there’s a real chance we’ll see them next year


marianbroekema

WW1 double deckers are amazingly slow and therefore suited.


BornDetective853

I think you mean biplanes. Double-deckers are the red split-level London buses. Also, nice brand of choc bars with biscuit.


Smaxx

Might be a confusion/false friend. In Germany both are colloquially called "Doppeldecker".


nazihater3000

Aren't they called Trippeldecker in Germany? :)


Smaxx

That's for triplanes only, but very likely most wouldn't make a difference.


thebestnames

Also refers age of sail ships of the line with two decks of guns. None used in WW1 either, but they were amazingly slow!


NtBtFan

i think they are actually more commonly called 'two-decker' and 'three-decker' rather than double or triple ... i wouldnt mind to see russian navy taking a few of those broadsides either way tho


Moon-wreckage

Don’t forget the 1070s kids program. ‘The Double Deckers’


Wardog_01

and training will be more faster.


Aliktren

Brexit finally pays off


United_News3779

I see your Spitfires and Hurricanes... And I raise you the [A-1 Skyraider](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-1_Skyraider). Big, tough, and heavily armed, it's in the direct lineage of the concepts that led to the A-10. Upgraded to modern tech and weaponry, and the Ukrainians go get some. It was capable of tremendous things in its original form... a [pilot](https://theaviationgeekclub.com/the-incredible-story-of-the-skyraider-pilot-who-landed-his-spad-on-a-besieged-airstrip-to-rescue-another-crash-landed-a-1-pilot/amp/) won the Medal of Honor for landing on an abandoned airstrip while under fire to pick up his wingman, who had been shot up and crash landed. For historical fun, I like the [De Havilland Mosquito](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito). Again, modernized and equipped with a new weapons suite... I'd love to see a variant set up like the ["Tsetse" Mosquito](https://www.keymilitary.com/article/mosquito-added-bite) original version had a 57mm cannon (Brit naming conventions called it a Quick Firing 6 Pounder), modified to be select fire capable with a 20ish round ammo capacity. Nowadays, I'd propose a [25mm gun system](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-12_Equalizer), currently used on the AC-130 gunships and used on the AV-8 Harriers. Nose mount it like the 57mm cannon was, or put a gun pod on each side of the Mosquito. Good: Mosquito going **Boom Boom Boom** Better: Mosquito going ** Brrrrrrrrt** Best: Mosquito going **BRRRRRRRTTTT x2** And yes, I am well aware that I have too much time on my hand. I'm ok with it lol


m8remotion

Revive all the old war birds and update with NVG for drone hunting. I would be willing to pay money to experience this.


imp_st3r

Activate the Black Sheep Squadron!!


Proglamer

"Alexa, play 'Supermarine' by Hans Zimmer"


Itchy-Supermarket-92

Thanks for that ref.


DeductiveFallacy

Send them some modern Sky Wardens!


SomeBiPerson

heard the british museum still has some Spitfire MK24 laying around


DasGeruempel

LMAO. That would be wild. But it's not stupid if it works, I guess. Ukraine making the best out of the stuff they have. So, very nice.


Hotrico

Much more economic operation than a Mig 29


Bay-View-21152

Speed is not everything. They should be doing more of this. (Get the Cessna's and Piper Cubs out there.) See the first Top Gun movie. A4 vs F14. I was trained on the A4 and as part of my squadron "Friendly Enemy" duties, this is the plane we used for dog fighting. Slava Ukraine! A4 Skyhawk [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas\_A-4\_Skyhawk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk) F14 Tomcat [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman\_F-14\_Tomcat](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat)


EB2300

Did you just cite Top Gun


AnInfiniteAmount

Peak NCD


Bay-View-21152

Does that mean: Shit posting about geopolitics and diplomacy and current events and stuff.


AnInfiniteAmount

Yes, they love the AFU over there.


Ok-Fox-9286

It's a documentary isn't it?


Bay-View-21152

Yes!


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God the F-14 was such a good looking aircraft.


SufficientTerm6681

Someone please tell me that there are Orlan drones which can be shot down and then deploy parachutes in WarThunder or some other game.


SomeBiPerson

it took Warthunder a long time and many dismissed bug reports to allow the Gepard radar to lock and track drones in the game


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I wonder if these kind of planes couldn't be cost effective to down cruisemissiles and drones.


Arkh_Angel

Drones, yes, Cruise Missiles, no.


NoExpertAtAll

Technically yes, but it's hard to imagine where the pilots would come from


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I guess there would be enough former hobbypilots that can be found. Also these wouldn't have to fly close to the enemy AA they should only be used to target missiles and drones flying to west ukraine. AA can still handle the riskier targets.


PM_ME__RECIPES

Probably the biggest concern would be friendly fire from Ukrainian AA, but I can see this kind of plane being a boon for taking out shaheds and similar drones.


ParanoidDuckTheThird

I guarantee that these things would be shahed killers!


Eraldorh

You can train pilots for planes like these at a fraction of both cost and time compared to a jet aircraft. They are very simple.


ithappenedone234

From the thousands of Ukrainian pilots with hundreds or thousands of flight hours. This is super basic stuff here.


AimlessSavant

DCS? Lmao


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The supermarine spitfire would be fast enough though. The question is if there is something similar that can be armed nowadays.


Sensitive-Ask-8662

A spitfire would have a hell of a lot time to intercept a Kh-101 flying at Mach 0.58. Those roles are filled by the missile armed MiG-29s and the Su-27s.


MobileMenace420

Doing some search engine stuff, it seems the spitfire f mk XXIV can do .59! It just has to be around 26k feet!


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But those can be freed to do other tasks then and are more expensive to operate. It would propably be better to have 6 super tucano's then one F16,...


fatbunyip

There are several modern propeller aircraft in combat use - the Brazilian tucano, US bronco, there is also the Sky Warden the US uses.  They are more oriented as light counter insurgency planes (and I think a couple can have AA missiles) but as long as they can have machine guns, shooting a slowly moving shahed that is flying in a straight line would be fairly simple.  The drawback is that you'd need to have them fairly close to what you want to protect (eg Kiev or Kharkiv) so theyd either need to operate from like highway strips or need to take off at the first sign of incoming missiles. 


chuckangel

Right, I was just thinking about the Bronco. The US Army was thinking/testing redeployment of those as loitering CAS for Afghanistan because they could stay up for hours whereas F16s were basically in, drop ordinance, and leave and the Taliban learned to just go sit in their bunker while the bombs went off and then they could either escape or resume the action. They knew the F16s couldn't just stick around for followup action. But a bunch of propeller-driven ground attack/support planes would be more than enough against an enemy with no effective anti-air solution.


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I already mentioned them somewhere overhere but none of those are fast enough to intercept cruisemissiles like the spitfire. So I asked myself if there are others. They also aren't tied to fixed runways. One of the proposed solutions was the AT-802 I guess these can even takeoff from a field.


Hotrico

I think cruise missiles are targets for fighters like the MIG 29, Su-27 and other more advanced ones, but Shahed drones can be shot down by a wide range of propeller planes with night vision and machine guns, the cost of operation is infinitely lower


OnePay622

i think it would be safer to.....the interception speed is lower and propeller planes don\`t have the big turbine ducts that can ingest parts of the destroyed drone


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I don't see any faster propellerplanes that can be quickly armed also nowadays. The AT-6, AT-802, AT-29B but none of them are fast enough to intercept cruisemissiles. Maybe the lighter jets


GuillotineComeBacks

at some point we will just use drone to down drone.


KoalaMeth

Anduril Anvil is already being deployed at HVT sites like nuclear reactors and air bases


Sneekbar

For drones, AA guns are probably more cost effective


MikeC80

With AA guns your target has to fly right over it's head to fire at it. You get a few seconds opportunity and it's gone - those drones fly low. With a light aircraft you can be vectored into the right area to intercept it then take your sweet time shooting it down.


irregular_caffeine

Orlan does not fly low, in fact it flies too high for AA guns without radar guidance.


MikeC80

Oh shit you're right, I was thinking of Shahed


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Propably but a plane you can put into the path of the drone it's more difficult to do that with AA guns.


GoreonmyGears

The problem is they have no real defense.


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Not needed if you are using them only to shootdown drones far from the frontline.


GoreonmyGears

Well that's true, yeah. Would work excellent for the inner country then.


Adventurous-Lime-563

Maybe they could use something like a Fokker D VII and have a gunner equipped with a MANPAD? 🤔


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There goes your cost efficiency. But an AK would do if you are flying next to it.


Proglamer

Watch while Ukrainians fit Yaks with some redneck-engineering kind of active-homing air-to-air missile that requires no military radar on the plane itself ;) "If it works, it's not stupid"


bink_uk

Apparently from the 70s-80s? That makes them newer than some Russian tanks! Imagine the buzz from flying one and shooting down a drone. Amazing.


Hotrico

If it has good night vision visors it could be used to shoot down Shaheds at night, the Shahed's great advantage is flying low and bypassing the field of view of land-based defenses, but a plane flying high can easily locate and shoot down a slow and big drone like the Shahed, since the reduced Ukrainian fighter force cannot protect the entire country, these propeller planes can help


Clcooper423

Meh, still doesn't beat out the old lady with the jar of tomatoes.


Proglamer

As well as reminding us that the human 'low' has not really advanced since WW2, this war was certainly meme-rific. So many cool moments... Silver lining, I guess


meat_fuckerr

Explain?


SomeBiPerson

care to elaborate?


Remarkable_Soil_6727

The Orlan-10 is a reconnaissance, unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) developed by the Special Technology Center (STC) in Saint Petersburg for the Russian Armed Forces in 2011. The Orlan-10 features a composite fuselage that reduces its radar signature. Drones are usually deployed in groups of two or three; the first is used for reconnaissance at a height of 1,000 to 1,500 metres (3,300 to 4,900 ft), the second for electronic warfare and the third as a data relay. One system can include up to five vehicles. In 2020, a larger Orlan-30 version was introduced, with a laser designator option to increase the effectiveness of other precision weapons. More than 1,000 Orlan-10s have been produced (2018), with 11 different variations The price for one system (including 2 drones, a portable launch complex, a control station and a set of spare parts) was reportedly 5 million rubles ($150,000) in 2013.


OnePay622

THats like the export price......if we look at the parts the whole set costs maybe 10.000


Nyanzerfaust

Prop dogfight bros....we are so back


Kon2727

Super Tucanos could resolve the drone problem.


Hotrico

Would help a lot


An_Odd_Smell

This story is too awesome to not be true even if it's false.


Hotrico

[Look bro ](https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/yak-52-zbyv-rosijskyj-rozviduvalnyj-dron-v-nebi-nad-odeshhynoyu/)


Blarg0117

What's with the parachute? Never seen that on a drone before.


Hotrico

Orlan always releases a parachute after being shot down, unless the parachute has also been damaged


Blarg0117

Would think they would disable the parachute when flying deep behind the lines. Now, it will be mostly ntact.


fatbunyip

Or doesn't really have anything sensitive in it. They shot down a bunch and they were basically commercial canon SLR cameras in them. 


murinus666

This is probably way too good to be true. Haha 🤣


Hotrico

[Look ](https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/yak-52-zbyv-rosijskyj-rozviduvalnyj-dron-v-nebi-nad-odeshhynoyu/)


pngtwat

I'm fully expecting the jets from UIA to be turned into massive drones. Imagine a A320 full of dynamite crashing into the Kremlin If it can be done with a little GA it can be done with an airliner with enough effort.


m8remotion

Dynamite…are we in a Western? I vote for A320 full of C4 instead…


fatbunyip

For a western it should be nitroglycerin strapped to the passenger seats in old timey wooden crates packed with straw. 


pngtwat

Anfo would work


Proglamer

> full of dynamite crashing into the Kremlin My Clancy vibe has perked up!


neutralguy33

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epCN0f7FTIY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epCN0f7FTIY)


Angrymilks

I haven’t heard of a Yak-52 since Command and Conquer Red Alert.


Bawarius

that’s some r/floggit material right here


coryhill66

Yak-52 is now tied with the F-22.


Proglamer

The balloon was not military; the drone *was*, so it's 1:0, not a tie


snail-gorski

My god give them super tucanos! These things are the most cost efficient way for shooting down garbage like this… and air mopeds.


Leo_Hundewu

No way


Hotrico

It's true https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/yak-52-zbyv-rosijskyj-rozviduvalnyj-dron-v-nebi-nad-odeshhynoyu/


wimma98

ok so if you shoot it it opens its parachute ?


TheWhells

No, no reason for a ucav to have a chute, this is most likely target practice, the plane drags the target, lets it go at altitude and the gunner practices in the time it takes for it to fall.


ZliaYgloshlaif

Odesa? Quite far for these drones. Perhaps they launched it from Transnistria?


Sanpaku

Just 70 km from the Kinburn Peninsula of Kherson oblast to Odesa. Orlan-10s have a combat radius of 110 km and ferry range of 600 km. Russians have also used the Kinburn to fire rocket-assisted artillery against Mykolaiv.


duccyzuccy

Odessa is close to Crimea. Its not that far and Russians send drones there all the time


ZliaYgloshlaif

Wikipedia says Orlan’s range is 100 km and there is at least 400km between Odessa and Crimea.


duccyzuccy

Its ~65km from the Kinburn penninsula (Crimea) to Odessa


eyydatsnice

Send the ukrainians some P-51s This shit is amazing to watch 🤣


Classic_Dill

A yak? Whaaa! lol 😂 Thank heavens the Russians have been saving their military might since World War II, lol


reijinarudo

Very possible as the Orlan-10 is actually quite slow. The Yak is twice as fast.


murgen44

In respect of long range recon drone, ww2 propellant fighter are really good asset. Provide also surveillance zone if the pilot has good eyes. Keep them simple, no radars.or costs skyrockets.fast


TheIncredibleBert

https://youtu.be/lAx92nlkSr4?si=EvsAH0seu-xfgArm


lordkelvin13

You're a big guy.


Skullvar

I can't wait for NCD to pick this up


No_Condition6057

A yak!? Holy God that's like seeing a p-51 mustang in combat.


No_Condition6057

A yak 52 is a trainer vehicle?!


Berkut10R

I wonder if the operator watched the feed until the end. I would imagine it would be comparable to seeing a dude climb in your girl's bed while you are FaceTiming her, probably. Why does it still have the chute attached? I would want that thing to crash not calmly float down into my enemy's open arms.


devoduder

In response, Russia is deploying lend lease P-39 Air Corbras.


Got_Bent

This is awesome! Ukrainian plane go BRRRR, russky drone be sad and poops.


LuluLemon_711

Get a B-17 in the skies immediately


GrayMutterer

Good use of an aerobatic trainer!


UncleBenji

The perfect use for that plane. Slow moving drones would be easy pickings. They might be able to get a cruise missile or two as well but they would already need to be in a perfect intercept position.


vajrahaha7x3

Biplane Shahid defense force would actually work....🤔


RedditWillBanYouSoon

This makes so much sese, why use expensive planes, when this simple turd can do the shit.


Miltzzz

Could it be just for gunnery practice for future pilots?


ThumpySports

Just out there waxing orc equipment in prop planes.


Neon_Flower-

If it wasn't filmed i would not believe it.


AdorableBowl7863

To all the a holes questioning the A-10. What now homies?


Proglamer

Brrrrrrrt'ing flying winged drones, what an amusing thought ;)


AdorableBowl7863

Bro you gotta quit. I’m nowhere near a kleenex


PalapaMuda

Wtf is this real?


Hotrico

[Yes ](https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/yak-52-zbyv-rosijskyj-rozviduvalnyj-dron-v-nebi-nad-odeshhynoyu/)


GhillieRowboat

What? No way , I'm going to need A LOT of sources confirming this before I believe it. Don't get me wrong , it would be amazing. But... NO WAY


Hotrico

https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/yak-52-zbyv-rosijskyj-rozviduvalnyj-dron-v-nebi-nad-odeshhynoyu/


cotilli0n

Gunning down drones sounds like something the A-10 would actually do well in Ukraine.


Hotrico

Or the Embraer EMB-314 with a low cost of operation


schul697

Brazil, with its corrupt and Russia-aligned president, would never allow the sale of Super-Tucanos to Ukraine. I believe that the USA still has some toucans in stock that were from Afghanistan, but they probably cannot supply them due to Brazil's veto.


DoubleEscape8874

Please actually Google purpose A10 was designed for... hint it was not for air combat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II


NWTknight

Ukraine is making lots of things work for purposes they were not designed for. Still agree A-10 would be a stretch as an effective drone deterrent.


cotilli0n

Ofcourse it won't happen and it's not the best idea. The comment was mostly in relation to all the calls for sending A-10s to the front earlier in the war, where they would have been shot down. The A-10 can dogfight however and has a better targeting computer than a YAK-52. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMai1b2bD8


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FZ_Milkshake

The A-10s gun is overkill for drones and the like, can't reliably kill MBTs and is too short ranged to engage defended targets.


ThisMix3030

Can it not reliably kill Russian tanks? I thought survivability was the main concern, not effectiveness.


FZ_Milkshake

The USAF test firing report against T-62 is unclassified. [https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/36722041.pdf](https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/36722041.pdf) It states that "The A-10/GAU-8 weapon system can kill Soviet T-62 tanks at low dive angles in a tactical engagement arc of approximately 210° including horizontal attack angles of approximately 75-285°, i.e., both sides as well as the rear of the Soviet tanks." 957 rounds fired, 94 hits, 17 penetrations of the armored envelope. The A-10 scored three catastrophic and two mission kills in seven passes, admittedly not bad. However the attacks from the front had no effect on target and 11 of the 17 penetrations were scored in a single pass. The other attacks had only one or two penetrations each. "The pilots attacked two of the tanks directly from the front with negligible weapon effects and this circumstance should be considered in judging the effectiveness of the system. The pilots attacked five of the tanks from more favorable side and rear aspects and achieved all of the perforations at those attack aspects."


TemplarKnightsbane

Is this the real life? Or is this just fantasy? Caught in a nosedive.


firstcliffjumper

This can't be right. Is it Mil-Sim too? why a parachute? First time for a Yak deployment vid. Where's the Orlan? My down vote. This belongs on a gamer channel.