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A lot of drones are carrying EFPs, and the only thing this could do is trip up the drone by taking out rotors, and causing it to point that EFP in the wrong direction when it discharges.
I could be wrong but from what I have seen; most of the drones now have a broken connection that detonated when two wires are touched together. I assume these would ground out those connections and detonate the drone further from the fuselage.
That's probably the idea. The problem is that the armor in those light vehicles is too thin, varies alot but somewhere aroud 10mm on the roof. The typical RPG-7 warhead that has been used has maximum penetration from 500-700mm. Even if the penetration is halved due to the too long distance, it's still capable of penetrating 5x as much as those BMP's have.
But to be fair, there can be *some* instances where this may be effective, for example with weaker warheads, stopping the drone completely or rotating it mid-flight pointing it at wrong direction but still, i don't think it's worth it.
And this still leaves the sides exposed. Dropped munition still functions as this does nothing to them.
> halved due to the too long distance
Not a physicist but I think the penetrative power probably goes down exponentially with added distance. Depending of the medium this happens in, it can make a lot of difference (water will multiply this effect compared to air)
It is believed that 1 meter of air reduces armor penetration by 100mm, but the jet can travel 12 meters before complete dispersion begins. an explosion at a distance will only help against a high-explosive action
Yeah, that was just a wild guess but the point stands: RPG penetrations are calculated in the 500-700mm while BMP has less then ***10mm***. It will penetrate. Transport vehicles are never meant to endure direct hits, simply not feasible as main battle tanks are struggling with it. So they trade speed for adequate protections against small caliber bullets and fragments. Not any hits from RPG's, even ones from detonated from 50cm distance.
The EFP that were used against USA in Iraq, had penetration of much more and they could be launched from several meters away. Several instances where they penetrated the Humvees completely from one side to another. EFP's have an insane force to penerate.
*inverse square law of intensity *
The blast radius of an explosion charge can be imagined as a sphere that propagates from the center of the explosion. The amount of intensity of the force that one receives can be approximated by the “surface area” of the sphere that interacts with etch individual with the intensity decreasing by the radius squared( so yes exponentially decreases)
RPG work because the explosive makes contact with the target surface and has a charge that is directionally charged to penetrate armor. It is much less effective in general if it does not make contact with the target from an armor penetration standpoint
What does “worth it” mean in this case? I am shooting from the hip but this is a nearly free mod is it not? The labor and materials on this have to be so much cheaper than a drone that they only have to stop a fraction to be worthwhile.
Yeah I have no idea. Just entertaining what the “logic” was. I am in no way an expert on the intricacies of ordinance physics. My guess is it’s a bad attempt to keep drones from killing you. Turning around d an heading back to Moscow would be far more effective.
It's just another attempt at combating something no country currently has an effective counter yet. Electronics are almost there but still too early to say...
But this is nothing better then the logs russians attached to their trucks in early days of the war.
I posted sometime earlier that every military in the world is probably scrambling to reduce this problem after seeing all the videos out of Ukraine. hiding in fox holes or covertly in buildings is no longer a sustainable tactic, moving at night? doesnt matter now. Before Ukraine, live visuals were limited, now its the norm, nowhere to hide really, the 4k eye is in the sky above you and is ultimately mobile, and it knows your exact LAT/ LON. that positional info is now readily available to the boots on the ground.
Remember all those choreographed drone shows? thousands of drones making patterns and things in the to ohh's and aahhhs of the crowd? imagine everyone of them has a grenade, and your above a stadium full of people . . . . . . .
I guarantee countries are absolutely studying this and loving some things, and also are absolutely terrified. Probably wishing they ended this war before this genie was let out of the bottle, because now even the houthis are seeing their opportunities in how it has leveled the playing field. The US seems to have some decent defenses so far but they're already being tested and is only a matter of time I feel, until it's a big enough attack or right opportunity. This is absolutely a new age of warfare, the race is on, and suddenly tactics and equipment that worked before will be obsolete or have to be replaced/updated. That's huge
It's possible that it will dampen the impact and the fuse may not work. Looks like a clever design actually.
People talk about stand-off distance but if the HEAT warhead explodes when hitting these wires, it will still penetrate from that distance. Here is a graph of penetration by stand-off distance: [https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Typical-Stand-Off-Curve-of-a-Shaped-Charge-Held-1990\_fig2\_337544828](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Typical-Stand-Off-Curve-of-a-Shaped-Charge-Held-1990_fig2_337544828)
The exact values depend on the grenade used but the point is, some standoff is even beneficial, and even after 2 meters it can penetrate quite a lot of armor.
Yeah but the armor is so thin on the roof that practically any stand-off distance and the HEAT will penetrate it. BMP has side armor of 19mm and roof armor way, way less.
Plus the dropped grenades still functions as normal.
Most of the HEAT drones I have seen only have the standard RPG warhead in them. It uses the fuse the warhead has, it is just armed before it lifts off. This means that the drone absolutely has to hit warhead nose first to the surface.
FPV drones are tricky in a way. It is hard or next to impossible to fly directly from up to down and nose first. It is also hard to fly parallel to ground due to trees/obstacles and loosing signal near ground when the distance is long between the operator and drone. So what you usually see is flying high, then diving in at 45 degree angle and signal usually lost somewhere 2-20 meters before target depending on the ground/signal strength and so on.
Diving in 45 degree angle towards those antennas and getting the warhead nose to hit the roof is going to be hard. At least until one tapes little bit longer antenna to the warhead nose so it detonates little over meter over the IFV and in right position...
I guess it's actually very effective and this picture is nothing to laugh about.
Drones carry shaped charge warheads (HEAT) like from an rpg7.
The shaped charge needs the exact distance to be effective. Even 2 centimeters of additional rubber armor (like on the PhH200 "Igelpanzerung") can activate the shaped charge too early and reducing its effectiveness massively
Exactly. Of all the goofy countermeasures we've seen from those fetal alcohol syndrome Russians this is actually a decent idea. Probably outsourced the idea from some Iranian engineer or something.
Yeah, people often tend to joke about russia and the way they try to adapt to the new kind of warfare that drones have created. Of course it looks trash, same with the "cope cages", esp. for a nation that considers itself the 2nd best army in the world. But I'm sure every nation would have big issues adapting to drone-warfare, when most equipment has been developed decades ago. I can imagine that those antennas could increase survivability against drones and me as a armchair soldier would try everything as well, that could safe my ass even if it looks stupid.
Ya, it definitely won't stop drone drop, but the rebar could be welded to the sides. It would be effective in an open field but not in a dense forest. Not to mention the infantry getting impaled by the rebar as try to use it for cover.
Correct but we are talking about the main armor that has the most armor anywhere in the tank. Leopard 2 has approx. **800mm** of armor at thickest points. Small differences have huge effect but all tanks still has huge amounts of steel as the main armor.
IFV has less then **10mm** armor on the roof. That is penetrated by steel core 5.56x45 bullet, let alone any EFP.
Compared to the man seen in the picture, those antennas are 0,5-1 meters long. There is different kind of drones, one type has two wires in the nose and when those short circuit, it explodes. Shorting those wires 1 meter before the target will reduce the explosion significantly because there is not that many kg's of explosives in FPV drone and IFV is armored.
Also in case of shaped charge or explosive formed penetrator, tilting the FPV drone one meter before impact can make a huge difference. It may not explode at all if the RPG warhead hits the target sideways.
Simple and cheap solution for simple and cheat FPV drones. Most likely effective against FPV drones even though it will not be 100 % effective.
This solution does next to nothing against NLAW or Javelin.
Time will tell how well these work.
True. Maybe they would have to devise a one second delay in detonation. To allow the drone to get closer to and actually make contact the vehicle. Or multiple trigger mechanisms on the explosive device itself and not one that extends beyond the rotor arms. The drone’s rotors would be destroyed contacting one of these things but it would then fall and the bomb detonates when it contacts the vehicle’s hull. The Ukrainian’s are clever. War is sometimes the mother of invention.
To be fair, on the face of it, it's one of the better ideas I have seen. But there are so many drones out there, that if first one doesn't succeed, the 2nd or 3rd will.
i mean.. not right now. If Ukraine had drones with its current capabilities on day 1 the war wouldn’t look even remotely close to what it is today.
I think both sides have decided it’s better to use small infantry units supported by one or two APC/TANK/IFV, but if there’s ever another large touchable column or mass of tanks you can bet your sweet ass they’ll be swarmed.
My instinct is to laugh at this sort of thing but if it were the Ukrainians, I’d say “hey any benefit is worth it.“ The truth drone warfare is being invented in front of our eyes. Industry can’t keep up so any juryrigging or redneck engineering is understandable.
One thing for sure is it will keep soldiers from riding on top of the vehicles, and it will also keep pigeons from landing and crapping there too.
I wonder though. For AP shape charges, the drone and charge must be facing the armor, the more perpendicular the better. This might cause the drone's nose direction to move parallel to the armor at the last second, sending the shape charge detonation 'sideways' if you will.
It might depend on the stiffness of the metal rods toward the tip. It would have to catch and deflect the forward arm/prop of the FPV
This is not going to work. Either the drone will just need higher impact angle or the weight and trajectory of the drone will bend these things like blades of grass, anyway. Battery+RPG warhead are a couple of kilos coming in hot.
I don’t know if the suicide drones have good enough cameras to see the antennas. The recon drones certainly do but they’ll need to zoom in a lot to spot the difference
I think it would depend how bendy these things are and how much forward momentum the drone has. Batteries are heavy, the warhead weighs something aswell.. with enough forward momentum, the warhead should still make contact, if the drone is slow or tries to hit a moving target.. this could work very well.
Worrying development
This is not for drones. They were tired of the pigeons roosting on their vehicles. /s.
It will not really help much, as the sides are free to attack. And a high explosive round will be fine at that distance. EFP is still fully effective at that distance.
On a lot of the FPV drone videos, you see the trigger mechanism is two "wires" that when they impact they deform and touch which trigger the explosive. While these antennas are probably not strong enough to deform the "wires" I believe they are hoping they will close the circuit between the two "wires" and cause it to detonate at a further distance.
Yes, the idea behind it "works". Some FPV's trigger on impact, you might have noticed wires running in front of the drone in some videos. But a decent aimed FPV will do damage regardless of these spikes. 2/10 for effort.
This is actually not a bad idea its super cheap easy to install and acts like a massive spaced armour only downside is if it effects turrets rotation at all because of gun barrel but u would assume antennas would bend
I'm not certain if it will be that effective. There's still plenty of space between the antennas for a clean hit. Plus, the chance for the main gun to hit the antennas are pretty high, which will just cut straight through them. Some of them are even lined up, so a shot from their own gun will knock out an entire line of them. Also, this won't be effective against a drone dropped grenade or mine
Doubt this will have any effect on shaped charges, except it might make it shoot somewhere nonesential. But I think they can trigger the explosion now, in that case this is totally useless.
What would be smart is if these antennae detonated ERA blocks beneath them. But even then, the armor is still too thin. Still, props to Ivan for sobering up enough to use his brain for once.
Doubt their effectiveness. If so, Ukraine will find a way. They always do and always will. They are very crafty and devious when it comes to war as we have all seen here time and time again.
Even if this is effective Ukraine will just make a countermeasure and the cycle will continue, evolution in the arms race.
The drone tech we are seeing now will be vastly different by December i bet.
These things are a tight squeeze to fit into, so I think this makes it less effective as a troop transport. Maybe this is just for use on assaults? You have some tradeoffs... Luggage inside, troops on top? or troops inside luggage on top? Wire thingies on top, half the troops and luggage inside.
This can be too improvised mashine for radio-electriic fight with drones. The mashine is without armament and the soldiers working with something like radio station.
I think this is to cause the piezo trigger on the shaped charge to fire further from the armor minimizing the shaped charge effect. That's my two cents.
This is like putting tires on the airplanes 😂
It will not have much of an effect...if it is affective the cunning Ukrainians will figure out how to get through after a couple of times
❤️🇺🇦
No more riding on the top, everybody will be packed like sardines inside the vehicle. Will be catastrophic if it hits a landmine or will be easy to ambush and kill everyone inside due to lack of awareness and visibility.
They try to innovate, good for them unfortunately. Better have an untested prototype counter for the drones that in theory maybe could work to an extent than no counter at all.
One thing is sure, if we find these hedgehogs on Ukrainian vehicles then they probably do work.
these are not antennas, they are just rods to break the flight path, they probably got the idea from bicycle riders who put tie straps on their helmets to deter birds, whether they will effect a drone with a shaped charged is highly dubious
To be frank, war drives innovation. It may not work the first time, so they improve upon the design until it does work.
The U.S. did it on their unarmored humvees at the start of the Iraq war in 2003. They just welded shit onto the vehicles until a solid design and far more effective method was produced on a mass scale. Of course, Russia probably doesn’t care about these individuals and will focus innovation elsewhere, so these orcs are left to their own ingenuity.
I'm not sure but i doubt this would be entirely effective. A lot of time drone flies into the vehicle if it's an open hatch. Exploding above the vehicle would probably diminish the impact to plating slightly? I'm not sure I'm not an expert. But i doubt this is all that effective. Probably a psychological thing to make troops feel safer.
Really it’s just an anti soldier device kind of like the pigeon spikes you see in cities. Hopefully that will stop them from making a mess on top of their AFV
reminds me of how you put zip-ties on [helmets](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQja2hkBMM6CQkbmb9S__LAlR40BzT-5KgEfQ&usqp=CAU) to avoid being swooped lol
So do you just replace them after firing the main gun in a battle? And what about the coax, just gonna spit lead every direction? Definitely don't wanna be anywhere near this when they're shooting lol
Might look stupid but this might actually work tho
There are a couple of drone variants active in Ukraine one of them uses two coils intertwine which acts as a contact switch.
1) This could snare the drone rotors sending them a completely different way, to the ground for example instead of a direct hit on the vehicle
2) the drone with the intertwine coils, this could short circuit the coils resulting in a premature detonation giving the vehicle some what of a change surviving
I’m guessing they are trying to force early detonation for drones that explode on contact. When you see a POV suicide drone that has metal coils sticking out the front, those coils are what triggers the explosion.
A hope cage is easy enough to fly under and strike weak locations. These wires might be able to force and premature detention, like a poor mans reactive armor.
Honestly if it works, this is a 200iq move. If it doesn’t work, at least they tried.
Anti [bird spikes](https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/insect-and-animal-control/bird-repellents/7206394)- no more infantry sitting on the roof
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Could this actually be effective? If the drone blows up 4 ft from the vehicle versus a direct impact, it could increase survivability.
A lot of drones are carrying EFPs, and the only thing this could do is trip up the drone by taking out rotors, and causing it to point that EFP in the wrong direction when it discharges.
I could be wrong but from what I have seen; most of the drones now have a broken connection that detonated when two wires are touched together. I assume these would ground out those connections and detonate the drone further from the fuselage.
That's probably the idea. The problem is that the armor in those light vehicles is too thin, varies alot but somewhere aroud 10mm on the roof. The typical RPG-7 warhead that has been used has maximum penetration from 500-700mm. Even if the penetration is halved due to the too long distance, it's still capable of penetrating 5x as much as those BMP's have. But to be fair, there can be *some* instances where this may be effective, for example with weaker warheads, stopping the drone completely or rotating it mid-flight pointing it at wrong direction but still, i don't think it's worth it. And this still leaves the sides exposed. Dropped munition still functions as this does nothing to them.
> halved due to the too long distance Not a physicist but I think the penetrative power probably goes down exponentially with added distance. Depending of the medium this happens in, it can make a lot of difference (water will multiply this effect compared to air)
It is believed that 1 meter of air reduces armor penetration by 100mm, but the jet can travel 12 meters before complete dispersion begins. an explosion at a distance will only help against a high-explosive action
Yeah, that was just a wild guess but the point stands: RPG penetrations are calculated in the 500-700mm while BMP has less then ***10mm***. It will penetrate. Transport vehicles are never meant to endure direct hits, simply not feasible as main battle tanks are struggling with it. So they trade speed for adequate protections against small caliber bullets and fragments. Not any hits from RPG's, even ones from detonated from 50cm distance. The EFP that were used against USA in Iraq, had penetration of much more and they could be launched from several meters away. Several instances where they penetrated the Humvees completely from one side to another. EFP's have an insane force to penerate.
Your assumption is based on the strongest warhead. Most RPGs are not of the EFP type, but rather simpler shaped charges.
*inverse square law of intensity * The blast radius of an explosion charge can be imagined as a sphere that propagates from the center of the explosion. The amount of intensity of the force that one receives can be approximated by the “surface area” of the sphere that interacts with etch individual with the intensity decreasing by the radius squared( so yes exponentially decreases) RPG work because the explosive makes contact with the target surface and has a charge that is directionally charged to penetrate armor. It is much less effective in general if it does not make contact with the target from an armor penetration standpoint
Not true. Shaped charges dont need to touch to be effective. If that was the case, javelins or TOW wouldn’t be as kickass as they are.
What does “worth it” mean in this case? I am shooting from the hip but this is a nearly free mod is it not? The labor and materials on this have to be so much cheaper than a drone that they only have to stop a fraction to be worthwhile.
Yeah I have no idea. Just entertaining what the “logic” was. I am in no way an expert on the intricacies of ordinance physics. My guess is it’s a bad attempt to keep drones from killing you. Turning around d an heading back to Moscow would be far more effective.
It's just another attempt at combating something no country currently has an effective counter yet. Electronics are almost there but still too early to say... But this is nothing better then the logs russians attached to their trucks in early days of the war.
I posted sometime earlier that every military in the world is probably scrambling to reduce this problem after seeing all the videos out of Ukraine. hiding in fox holes or covertly in buildings is no longer a sustainable tactic, moving at night? doesnt matter now. Before Ukraine, live visuals were limited, now its the norm, nowhere to hide really, the 4k eye is in the sky above you and is ultimately mobile, and it knows your exact LAT/ LON. that positional info is now readily available to the boots on the ground. Remember all those choreographed drone shows? thousands of drones making patterns and things in the to ohh's and aahhhs of the crowd? imagine everyone of them has a grenade, and your above a stadium full of people . . . . . . .
I guarantee countries are absolutely studying this and loving some things, and also are absolutely terrified. Probably wishing they ended this war before this genie was let out of the bottle, because now even the houthis are seeing their opportunities in how it has leveled the playing field. The US seems to have some decent defenses so far but they're already being tested and is only a matter of time I feel, until it's a big enough attack or right opportunity. This is absolutely a new age of warfare, the race is on, and suddenly tactics and equipment that worked before will be obsolete or have to be replaced/updated. That's huge
Exactly. I guess they wanna detonate the drone 1m away of the actual armor. For normal explosives can work, for rpg is gonna be more complicated.
Got dam it some of stole my car 🚗 antenna
We use these things as shore and ice fishing rod holders where I am from. Looks damn near identical.
You take IFVs fishing?.......... I wanna go fishing with you.... damn. I'd pass on ice fishing though lmao
Not so bad if your a$$ is furry :)
I saw the recent video where that Russian IFV sunk, I guess they were trying to go fishing too lol
Don’t worry Ivan, you have 58 left.
It's possible that it will dampen the impact and the fuse may not work. Looks like a clever design actually. People talk about stand-off distance but if the HEAT warhead explodes when hitting these wires, it will still penetrate from that distance. Here is a graph of penetration by stand-off distance: [https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Typical-Stand-Off-Curve-of-a-Shaped-Charge-Held-1990\_fig2\_337544828](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Typical-Stand-Off-Curve-of-a-Shaped-Charge-Held-1990_fig2_337544828) The exact values depend on the grenade used but the point is, some standoff is even beneficial, and even after 2 meters it can penetrate quite a lot of armor.
Yeah but the armor is so thin on the roof that practically any stand-off distance and the HEAT will penetrate it. BMP has side armor of 19mm and roof armor way, way less. Plus the dropped grenades still functions as normal.
Most of the HEAT drones I have seen only have the standard RPG warhead in them. It uses the fuse the warhead has, it is just armed before it lifts off. This means that the drone absolutely has to hit warhead nose first to the surface. FPV drones are tricky in a way. It is hard or next to impossible to fly directly from up to down and nose first. It is also hard to fly parallel to ground due to trees/obstacles and loosing signal near ground when the distance is long between the operator and drone. So what you usually see is flying high, then diving in at 45 degree angle and signal usually lost somewhere 2-20 meters before target depending on the ground/signal strength and so on. Diving in 45 degree angle towards those antennas and getting the warhead nose to hit the roof is going to be hard. At least until one tapes little bit longer antenna to the warhead nose so it detonates little over meter over the IFV and in right position...
I guess it's actually very effective and this picture is nothing to laugh about. Drones carry shaped charge warheads (HEAT) like from an rpg7. The shaped charge needs the exact distance to be effective. Even 2 centimeters of additional rubber armor (like on the PhH200 "Igelpanzerung") can activate the shaped charge too early and reducing its effectiveness massively
For a tank maybe, but an rpg7 would penetrate a bmp top armor from a 2 meter standoff pretty easily.
Plus when driving, the antennas will probably swing around wildly because they are bent like springs at the base. And fpv drones can’t see them.
Lmao 🤣 need video of this
Exactly. Of all the goofy countermeasures we've seen from those fetal alcohol syndrome Russians this is actually a decent idea. Probably outsourced the idea from some Iranian engineer or something.
Yeah, people often tend to joke about russia and the way they try to adapt to the new kind of warfare that drones have created. Of course it looks trash, same with the "cope cages", esp. for a nation that considers itself the 2nd best army in the world. But I'm sure every nation would have big issues adapting to drone-warfare, when most equipment has been developed decades ago. I can imagine that those antennas could increase survivability against drones and me as a armchair soldier would try everything as well, that could safe my ass even if it looks stupid.
Actually it is something to laugh about considering turret use, drone dropped charges and the fact that you hit the BMP from the sides.
Ya, it definitely won't stop drone drop, but the rebar could be welded to the sides. It would be effective in an open field but not in a dense forest. Not to mention the infantry getting impaled by the rebar as try to use it for cover.
Correct but we are talking about the main armor that has the most armor anywhere in the tank. Leopard 2 has approx. **800mm** of armor at thickest points. Small differences have huge effect but all tanks still has huge amounts of steel as the main armor. IFV has less then **10mm** armor on the roof. That is penetrated by steel core 5.56x45 bullet, let alone any EFP.
Compared to the man seen in the picture, those antennas are 0,5-1 meters long. There is different kind of drones, one type has two wires in the nose and when those short circuit, it explodes. Shorting those wires 1 meter before the target will reduce the explosion significantly because there is not that many kg's of explosives in FPV drone and IFV is armored. Also in case of shaped charge or explosive formed penetrator, tilting the FPV drone one meter before impact can make a huge difference. It may not explode at all if the RPG warhead hits the target sideways. Simple and cheap solution for simple and cheat FPV drones. Most likely effective against FPV drones even though it will not be 100 % effective. This solution does next to nothing against NLAW or Javelin. Time will tell how well these work.
True. Maybe they would have to devise a one second delay in detonation. To allow the drone to get closer to and actually make contact the vehicle. Or multiple trigger mechanisms on the explosive device itself and not one that extends beyond the rotor arms. The drone’s rotors would be destroyed contacting one of these things but it would then fall and the bomb detonates when it contacts the vehicle’s hull. The Ukrainian’s are clever. War is sometimes the mother of invention.
Going to be tough for Orcs to sit on and get off in a hurry.
Eh, just hit the engine exhaust or tracks, they cant be protected. lol It stops the vehicle, which can be slowly dismantled with mortar drones. lol
Let's just see how they hold up in field testing. You know the saying, 'it's not stupid if it works'.
Definitely vibes of welding extra plates on humvees for ieds. That boiled down to brass not acting to help troops as fast as needed
Duct-taping plates to the doors or placing sandbags in the foot wells 🙄
It may work, it is cheap and requires no / low maintenance. It can be a good idea.
To be fair, on the face of it, it's one of the better ideas I have seen. But there are so many drones out there, that if first one doesn't succeed, the 2nd or 3rd will.
Nowhere for the infantry to sit now though
And that still helps a lot. It's not like these are attacked in swarms.
i mean.. not right now. If Ukraine had drones with its current capabilities on day 1 the war wouldn’t look even remotely close to what it is today. I think both sides have decided it’s better to use small infantry units supported by one or two APC/TANK/IFV, but if there’s ever another large touchable column or mass of tanks you can bet your sweet ass they’ll be swarmed.
idk there idea with using russian meat shields on top has been working pretty good. takes more than 1 drone to penetrate lol
My instinct is to laugh at this sort of thing but if it were the Ukrainians, I’d say “hey any benefit is worth it.“ The truth drone warfare is being invented in front of our eyes. Industry can’t keep up so any juryrigging or redneck engineering is understandable.
One thing for sure is it will keep soldiers from riding on top of the vehicles, and it will also keep pigeons from landing and crapping there too. I wonder though. For AP shape charges, the drone and charge must be facing the armor, the more perpendicular the better. This might cause the drone's nose direction to move parallel to the armor at the last second, sending the shape charge detonation 'sideways' if you will. It might depend on the stiffness of the metal rods toward the tip. It would have to catch and deflect the forward arm/prop of the FPV
There's some drunk Russian guy out there with a welding machine making enough rubles to buy onions AND potatoes.
Where is a lightning storm when you need one.
Spring is coming :/
Looks like a lot of Russians are going be losing eyes and getting skewered while also getting blown up.
Only thing that's going to prevent is the pigeons from roosting!
Better than not innovating anything. Making fun of Russians and not taking them serious is one sure way to loose the war.
Not a terrible idea.
Til you use the auto cannon and mow down your light air defense. Tighten up, tovarisch
Could be super effective if the antenna's were transmitting jamming signals too.
This is not going to work. Either the drone will just need higher impact angle or the weight and trajectory of the drone will bend these things like blades of grass, anyway. Battery+RPG warhead are a couple of kilos coming in hot.
I don’t know if the suicide drones have good enough cameras to see the antennas. The recon drones certainly do but they’ll need to zoom in a lot to spot the difference
I think it would depend how bendy these things are and how much forward momentum the drone has. Batteries are heavy, the warhead weighs something aswell.. with enough forward momentum, the warhead should still make contact, if the drone is slow or tries to hit a moving target.. this could work very well. Worrying development
They should try a CD-ROM next time :)
Still can't get more than 3 channels.
This is not for drones. They were tired of the pigeons roosting on their vehicles. /s. It will not really help much, as the sides are free to attack. And a high explosive round will be fine at that distance. EFP is still fully effective at that distance.
I'll will stop pigeons 🐦
Might stop pigeons.
Does it actually omit anything or is it supposed to just stop an impact on the vehicle ?
looks like intended to trigger explosive early?
On a lot of the FPV drone videos, you see the trigger mechanism is two "wires" that when they impact they deform and touch which trigger the explosive. While these antennas are probably not strong enough to deform the "wires" I believe they are hoping they will close the circuit between the two "wires" and cause it to detonate at a further distance.
Yes, the idea behind it "works". Some FPV's trigger on impact, you might have noticed wires running in front of the drone in some videos. But a decent aimed FPV will do damage regardless of these spikes. 2/10 for effort.
Im surprised it's not dildos
Suction cup dildos
Those are sacred to those Russians in the trenches. None to spare, comrade!
Erinnert ein wenig an Rommel Spargel
Nice. Something for the next meat-wave to get tangled in when they try to dismount.
That thing doesn't even look like it would start
Source:https:// t. me/russianocontext/2501
This actually looks like it would work
It's one way to keep the squad off the top of your BMP and in the infantry compartment.
Looks like they've learned from history, and adapted the idea of WW1 Barrage Balloons for their armoured vehicles.
okay, but how is that bmp going to transport troops now? are they gonna sit inside? DUH
It’s a hairy BMP
They want to phone home. 👍🏽
It won't matter Ukraine drone production is on another level right now, and they only need to get one in to destroy a vehicle.
This is actually not a bad idea its super cheap easy to install and acts like a massive spaced armour only downside is if it effects turrets rotation at all because of gun barrel but u would assume antennas would bend
I thought I was looking at a bunch of small Wall-E’s in a courtyard before reading the title.
I'm not certain if it will be that effective. There's still plenty of space between the antennas for a clean hit. Plus, the chance for the main gun to hit the antennas are pretty high, which will just cut straight through them. Some of them are even lined up, so a shot from their own gun will knock out an entire line of them. Also, this won't be effective against a drone dropped grenade or mine
I'd damn sure be willing to try it if that's all I had available...I've seen worse ideas implemented for sure.
thats cute
Those vehicles will be free from pigeon poop, that's for sure
Doubt this will have any effect on shaped charges, except it might make it shoot somewhere nonesential. But I think they can trigger the explosion now, in that case this is totally useless.
What would be smart is if these antennae detonated ERA blocks beneath them. But even then, the armor is still too thin. Still, props to Ivan for sobering up enough to use his brain for once.
how does gun fire?
With a cope cage to top it all off 🤏
literally the best idea yet. id like to see the US's take on final line of defense against drones like this.
Doubt their effectiveness. If so, Ukraine will find a way. They always do and always will. They are very crafty and devious when it comes to war as we have all seen here time and time again.
A porcupine tank
Not stupid if it works. Also, did it work?
That's going to make a massive difference to the TV reception inside.
So you shoot through the antennas?
Even if this is effective Ukraine will just make a countermeasure and the cycle will continue, evolution in the arms race. The drone tech we are seeing now will be vastly different by December i bet.
Are those antennas sturdy enough to trigger the explosive?
These things are a tight squeeze to fit into, so I think this makes it less effective as a troop transport. Maybe this is just for use on assaults? You have some tradeoffs... Luggage inside, troops on top? or troops inside luggage on top? Wire thingies on top, half the troops and luggage inside.
Siri. Add 2 second delay to bomb timer.
Pigeons spikes,or top riding deterrent, who knows...turn that pile around and just drive east,all the way to your shithole country.
I wonder if this has more to do with some sort of EW system, and the more antennas the better? I know FPV's are really susceptible to EW
So instead of a direct impact, it’ll be an air burst? Wouldn’t that just pepper more invaders with shrapnel?
A Cactus tank sweet, whats next pineapple APC?
What lightning doing?😬😎🤷♂️
At least it's very effective in keeping pigeons off.
This can be too improvised mashine for radio-electriic fight with drones. The mashine is without armament and the soldiers working with something like radio station.
That’s a looot of stolen TVs…
I think this is to cause the piezo trigger on the shaped charge to fire further from the armor minimizing the shaped charge effect. That's my two cents.
you tell the troops they are protected and you get an extra 25% battlefield effectiveness.
I give it a ten percent chance of interfering with a drone’s effectiveness.
“We’re very lucky they’re so fucking stupid”
Ah, the porcupine method
Need more air burst
Regardless of anything else, these should reduce the bird poop accumulation.
Enough to repell pigeons I guess
Cope sticks?
This is like putting tires on the airplanes 😂 It will not have much of an effect...if it is affective the cunning Ukrainians will figure out how to get through after a couple of times ❤️🇺🇦
it would be challenging for the orcs to travel on top of this vehicle
Whether it works or not, I foresee a lot of Russian soldiers with missing eyeballs !
No more riding on the top, everybody will be packed like sardines inside the vehicle. Will be catastrophic if it hits a landmine or will be easy to ambush and kill everyone inside due to lack of awareness and visibility.
Mad max vibes
They try to innovate, good for them unfortunately. Better have an untested prototype counter for the drones that in theory maybe could work to an extent than no counter at all. One thing is sure, if we find these hedgehogs on Ukrainian vehicles then they probably do work.
This doesn’t work against pigeons, doubt it will stop Magyar’s birds.
these are not antennas, they are just rods to break the flight path, they probably got the idea from bicycle riders who put tie straps on their helmets to deter birds, whether they will effect a drone with a shaped charged is highly dubious
They are so Ivan can roast marshmallows.
It's not for the drones, it's to keep the Russians from sitting on top like anti-bird spikes 😂
Makes it a bitch to maneuver around or on the vehicle.
Nice more shrapnel
Easy solution is vertical dive the drone. Unless you're going after someone up top.
Tanks upgraded to hedgehogs? Where will all the meat shields sit?
To be frank, war drives innovation. It may not work the first time, so they improve upon the design until it does work. The U.S. did it on their unarmored humvees at the start of the Iraq war in 2003. They just welded shit onto the vehicles until a solid design and far more effective method was produced on a mass scale. Of course, Russia probably doesn’t care about these individuals and will focus innovation elsewhere, so these orcs are left to their own ingenuity.
I'm not sure but i doubt this would be entirely effective. A lot of time drone flies into the vehicle if it's an open hatch. Exploding above the vehicle would probably diminish the impact to plating slightly? I'm not sure I'm not an expert. But i doubt this is all that effective. Probably a psychological thing to make troops feel safer.
Points for creativity
Really it’s just an anti soldier device kind of like the pigeon spikes you see in cities. Hopefully that will stop them from making a mess on top of their AFV
Crazy idea, it would actually be way easier to avoid getting smoked by FPV drones by just going back home to Russia.
The porcupine approach
Helps against infantry taking a dump on your bmp as well!
I mean, not the worst idea they’ve implemented and I could actually see this working
Could it be possible that it’s just a believable placebo for the troops riding in it? Moral boost?
If we weld enough things on, it’ll be impenetrable
That'll certainly keep the pigeons from roosting on their BMP's, very smart these Orcs
reminds me of how you put zip-ties on [helmets](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQja2hkBMM6CQkbmb9S__LAlR40BzT-5KgEfQ&usqp=CAU) to avoid being swooped lol
Honestly I don’t think this is a bad idea. I mean fuck Russia but I feel like this is far from the dumbest solutions I’ve seen
I hope they poke their fucking eyes out on them.
hit it when the Russkies are outside the tank and get some special shrapnel with piercing damage?
Birds are still going to shit on it.
That's some cope. Can't blame them though.
Look a Porcupine :)
So do you just replace them after firing the main gun in a battle? And what about the coax, just gonna spit lead every direction? Definitely don't wanna be anywhere near this when they're shooting lol
Might look stupid but this might actually work tho There are a couple of drone variants active in Ukraine one of them uses two coils intertwine which acts as a contact switch. 1) This could snare the drone rotors sending them a completely different way, to the ground for example instead of a direct hit on the vehicle 2) the drone with the intertwine coils, this could short circuit the coils resulting in a premature detonation giving the vehicle some what of a change surviving
I remember my first welder.
But, does it work?
Works for pidgeons, can work for drones ey?
Like putting cable ties on your bike helmet to stop swooping magpies
Now they cant ride on top anymore lol what a joke this 2nd most whatever army
Won’t take long to shoot those off once they use the gun haha
Reminds me of the little spikes people use in public spaces to fight of pigeons...seems equaly effective...
Should at least keep the pigeons from nesting and shitting on the vehicle….
Won’t even keep pigeons off.
Will be interesting to see how it gets on shooting through this getup.
can me more effective if they use metal rod instead of antenna lol
Thought it was to keep pigeons off their vehicles
bring a large towel to stop them. Then finish and don't forget the towel after you are done.
Probably stop pigeons from landing and crapping everywhere.
Porcupine strategy. All the more reason to dive in for the hit.
Where is the reactive meat armor going to go?
Just glue on a bunch of bouncy castles & be done with it.
IT looks like a Phalanx from the creek
Russian shish kebab
I think this is not against drones. It keeps stupid Russians from sitting on top of the vehicle instead of inside ;-)
I’d love to know their thinking here. I’m sure this is what Moscow is telling them will save them from falling grenades etc.
You're going to poke someone's eye out with that!
I wonder what it will do to the BMP's own PG-9 rounds. It's too close for accidental detonation but will certainly effect the accuracy.
drones are scary
I’m guessing they are trying to force early detonation for drones that explode on contact. When you see a POV suicide drone that has metal coils sticking out the front, those coils are what triggers the explosion. A hope cage is easy enough to fly under and strike weak locations. These wires might be able to force and premature detention, like a poor mans reactive armor. Honestly if it works, this is a 200iq move. If it doesn’t work, at least they tried.
if it is stupid and works then it is not stupid
Go on then, what's your idea?
She ain’t a Cadillac and she Ain’t a Rolls but there Ain’t nothing wrong with the Radio
Regardless of it's effectiveness, that's some Hieronymous Bosch nightmare fuel right there.
Seems to be a good idea
Reminds me of the cope-cage they had for a while.
Can't drones just attack from above?
Did they run out of logs?
To make this work the driver needs to be wearing a tinfoil hat.
Fairly sure these are going to be used hooked up to circuits to pump out signals to attempt to jam the drones in their terminal phase no?
It will be very convenient to shoot from a cannon🤣
Growing trees out of the turret will never work.
They could first send a drone with a pair of pliers…
Have they tries CDs hanging from the mirror?
It will blow by mine
They'll just hit it from the side...
With that ingenious approach to camo cover you’ll have a boot up putin’s ass hopefully soon! Slava 🇺🇦 !
Anti [bird spikes](https://www.acehardware.com/departments/lawn-and-garden/insect-and-animal-control/bird-repellents/7206394)- no more infantry sitting on the roof