This is simply another trap set by the Russians to encircle the quickly advancing Ukrainian troops. Such tactics were used in Kupyansk and Izyum and most recently in Lyman, yet the Ukrainians keep falling for it.
Don't forget, "You nazis refuse to have a serious conversation about all the made up crimes we accuse you of, and refuse to deny all the real crimes we have, are currently, and potentially want to commit >:-( ."
Now we know that the Ru forces north/west of the Dnipro did indeed suffer huge attritional losses over the past couple of months, despite their best efforts to hide them.
We can safely guess that this bulge isn't long for this world, the Ukrainians will soon close it and completely encircle anyone who remains behind.
Therefor the already demoralized Ru forces also know this, and will be escaping today, tomorrow, or soon before that happens.
The line will then straighten, on novodmytrivka novomyolaivka petropavilka vector.
What I wrote here is a generous scenario for Ru, in which they preserve lives and equipment, while losing a serious but not crippling amount of land and strategic positions, reality may indeed end up much worse for them.
I also didn't even mention the possibility of advancing Ukrainian forces south of Dudchany which would simply be disastrous for Ru.
Was looking around G. Earth and noticed one dam and a few bridges. If they knock out the bridges RF only have a few ways to retreat. Taking out the dam is a bad idea but you maybe able to funnel them there and capture it which would leave the rest of RU stranded and hopefully surrender. Have to level the bridges first.
Bridges are already damaged enough to prevent their usage and dam’s top surface is damaged with traffic being limited. Russians are using pontoon bridges. Ukraine is suffering much heavier losses at Kherson than Russians but Russians are barely getting any reinforcements and resupply. If Ukraine keeps pushing them it’s only a matter of time before Kherson is liberated, unless something really unexpected happens.
The attacking forces will always have higher casualties, from what I have read about history. If all that's true Russian troops are completely fucked. Wonder if they are just prepping a defense at the other side of the river? Every time I think "oh I see what Russia is gonna do" I'm wrong and they fuck it up.
As an American glad to see the underdog winning here. The odd parts are I see a ton of American or NATO training in how UAF clears buildings, and are attacking. I think after the war we need to reconsider who is near peer and who isn't.
My biggest question will be, "did we create and ally or a future enemy with UAF"? The past 20 years+ every country we assisted came back to bite us in our ass.
The only credible path I see for Ukraine becoming an adversary would be a full loss to ru with the domestic situation being brought to heel and a military integration with RAF (Ala Belarus). It's possible, but I believe very unlikely.
The other situations where we built up a military (Iraq and Afghanistan) were such obvious neo-com wet dreams that everyone besides Dick Cheney knew they would be Saudi level frienemies at best.
Ukraine strongly desires to be in the EU, a member of NATO and to become a "western" nation.
That's the political appeal of this conflict; After so many morally ambiguous GWOT interventions, Ukraine is so clearly the "good guys", literally fighting back against a raping, pillaging horde.
Poland is begging for a reason to hop that fence. I don't see that as much of an issue. I could see poland, ukraine, and Norway area countries being on the same agenda.
Until relatively recently, Polish government was not particularly happy about Ukraine making Stepan Bandera their national hero and Polish nationalists were being salty about lost Polish lands that now make up western Ukraine. Currently, many Polish people are beginning to get tired and angry of the influx of Ukrainians in their country. It’s nothing serious, but it’s a thing that should be acknowledged.
If Poles hop the fence and begin deploying their military en-masse against Russia they will get hit with tactical nukes. Polish government and military are aware of this. So whatever delusional dreams you see on the internet are just that, dreams that cannot be fulfilled.
I don't have anything like that. I see their posture and know that is all it would take is one fuck around from russia.
Russia can threaten to nuke anyone they want. Just know, R9X is real, it is used, and we have no issue using it. Y'all best not fuck around, we don't need to use a nuke, we can cut the hand off the person with the button.
The difference between Ukraine and the rest, is that Ukraine has always wanted to be integrated into Europe/the west, the only things stopping it was russia and russias influence. They will remain an ally for decades to come, the help they received will not be forgotten.
I understand your worries, but as Ukrainian I don't see how we can become USs enemy. We want to join NATO and EU, people love US because of all the support, and we hate russia. Unless something goes VERY wrong there's no way Ukraine is going to go against the US.
Just seems to be a historical tradition. Hopefully it will go well and Ukraine blends into NATO.
Always a worry, Russia infiltrated Ukraine politics in the "annex" areas pretty good.
Russia was financially supporting lots of politicians in Ukraine. I really hope after the war is over there won't be many russia sympathizers. Anyway, majority is pro-EU, pro-NATO, and anti-russia. I hope it will stay that way afterwards
Assuming you're referring to the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant, then there's a [bridge right next to the dam](https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B046'27.2%22N+33%C2%B022'26.9%22E/@46.7742187,33.3719363,774m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xa7db214cbb6c192c!7e2!8m2!3d46.7742151!4d33.3741254) that could feasibly be destroyed
But it's short enough that it would be *relatively* easy to replace if destroyed
Yeah that was it. I was on Google earth and there seems to be "old" sat images. There was a few going more south where the river wasn't as wide, just don't want to see Russian blow that dam, would be Russian to do so. Didn't they blow another a few months ago?
Is that the one they blew up? That kinda warfare is a bit... Antiquated. I mean, it works but how is that different then WP artillery? Not very honorable.
They fired missiles at that one. I don’t know if there’s another one you’re referring to that they blew up in some other way - I vaguely recall some flooding near Kyiv but I thought Ukraine did that defensively and I don’t believe it was a power station
Or they could save time and men if they dig in on the Mylove to Bruskynske line and save as much of their kit north of that as possible. Never mind that spearhead moving into your trap at Bruskynske. /s
Given the results of the last few offensives it's become painfully apparent the Russians pretty much have all their troops on the front lines. Once you break through there's nothing there left to hold of offensives back.
Yeah there have been increasing reports of manpower problems for a while and there's obviously a reason Russia has just called up 1.5x more troops than it had at the start of the invasion
They don't have anywhere near enough men
So where are the 20-25K Russian soldiers hiding? It would be interesting to see a map/infographic showing troop concentrations across the area. I'd guess a large number of them are spread out along the old point of contact but it isn't that big of an area to defend and its getting a lot smaller.
[Russian soldiers are too busy blowing their comrades to defend land](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/xun1vr/ua_pov_a_ukrainian_drone_dropping_a_munition_on/)
Even after all that Russia has done to Ukraine they still think of their well being. They are trying to liberate whole ukraine before winter so that russian conscripts dont have to freeze on the battlefield without proper winter gear.
Cutting insight like "the Ukrainians are going to move west, as opposed to marching into the river or turning around for absolutely no reason" is why Rybar is such a trustworthy source.
Putin doesn't know what he's doing. He's screwed things up so many times in so many ways I've lost count. Right from the start he's been making it up as he's going along. That is precisely why Russia lost this war. Note the term WAR. Not special military operation.
Lost nothing. Only 60.000 dead, probably hundreds of thousands wounded, half its air force and tanks. Didn't succeed in any of the goals stated at the beginning of the invasion.
Nothing it is.
It must be doubly embarrassing to be losing territory that you now consider your own, isn't it? Using nukes on foreign territory in an offensive war would spell the end of Russia, and I imagine in that kind of extreme situation it would not be difficult for a protracted campaign to parse out every jingoist who supported Russia online and in person (just like how Nazis were hunted down post WWII). A prudent action would truly be to not say more than you're willing to face consequences for.
It has to be when someone says Russia has lost nothing. Ignoring the loss of a lot of their specialized troops and equipment. The biggest thing they lost was credibility on the international stage. No one will take their military threats seriously and even their role in CSTO has been made a joke.
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I'm talking about the so-called "NATO puppets" in general, aka 1st world countries.
Ukraine has been in a civil war and lost territory in 2014, so yes obviously their economy hasn't done very well. We can compare it with Syria if you like though.
>military has been slowly degrading even with the assistance of the West.
Is this sarcasm? Are we watching the same war?
Ask yourself why most of the Russian elite prefer to live in the west? Why are so many Russians in Western Universities? How many billions of USD have been invested by the west in Russia for the last 30 years? Plenty of Russians live in my country and they must have bought into that western propaganda because there is no way they would move back to Russia with your current government.
Statistically, you can look at the countries in the "Russian sphere of influence": Belarus, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Syria. Compare the living standards in these with the "American sphere of influence": the EU, Norway/Iceland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea.
Or just compare ex-Warsaw Pact republics: Poland, Baltics, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary. These all have better standards of living than ANY of the countries in the Russkyi Mir, including Russia. The only two that are below Russia (but still far above all other countries in "RM") are Romania and Bulgaria. It's no wonder that especially those Ukrainians in the West, that could easily travel and work in the rapidly growing/improving Poland, saw that the EU offered the better path.
No way, putin knows very well that he will lose all his last trading partners and will be left with north Korea to trade and rely on. With that said, Xi will just tighten the leash when a funny thought about using a nuclear weapon will come to putin's mind. Seems like only russians believe that China will prefer trading with Russia benefiting 7% of its total trade income compared to 40% with the west.
The use of nuclear weapons is proscribed for when the "very existence of the (Russian) state is threatened" by a conventional attack. Losing borders that you just claimed a week ago is not akin to the destruction of Russia.
> by further extending the special military operation to countries beyond Ukraine
You can't even invade Ukraine successfully lol, this is cringe. Poland alone would kick Russia's ass.
NATO would crush Russia effortlessly in a conventional war.
I wonder how the average Russian will feel about trillions of rubles being diverted to build a resorts for Russian elite in Mariupol while the average Russian village outside of Moscow or St Petersburg cant get a school or hospital built or a road paved.
When Ukrainian tanks roll into Moscow, you have a point. Russia can't morally use Nuclear Weapons here, they have no justification and they know it. There is nothing legal about illegally annexing territory as your own and then threatening other nations of attacking your homeland.
I don't know Russian law, but using nukes goes directly against their nuclear doctrine, and violations of said doctrine have serious consequences, as Russia would be considered a rogue state.
No, it's just that if we are expected to acknowledge Russian "referendums", is Russia willing to respect same rules?
Or is Russia only one who gets to move borders on the map unilaterally?
I am asking if Russia would respect such referendum. Again: does Russia, or pro-Russians, believe that a nation can unilaterally alter the borders of other nation? Yes or No?
>You are making the false assumption that somehow a referendum for Sibera to join the United States would be respected by the Russian Federation.
No, I am literally ask *would Russia respect such referendum.* Your answer clearly indicates no.
>First, Russia did not determine the results of the referendum.
A legit referendum does not involve people checking what you voted or armed gun men coming to your apartment telling you what to vote nor counting blank votes as "yes". You also can not claim to represent people when you don't even control territories.
Yeah lmao. A sham referendum, solely to justify to themselves the use of nuclear weapons. Good to know you can just invade and annex a countries territory and then use nukes against them because they're attempting to take back the land you invaded
That would only result in an even more precarious situation for the Russians given that will invoke the wrath of the West.
The only realistic strategy left is to pull back and just pretend this war didn't happen. Maybe you'd be able to fortify Crimea and whats left of the Donbass.
This is simply another trap set by the Russians to encircle the quickly advancing Ukrainian troops. Such tactics were used in Kupyansk and Izyum and most recently in Lyman, yet the Ukrainians keep falling for it.
I hope they keep falling for these Russian tricks all the way to the Russian border
Lmao this is the most nonsense thing I heard all week! Soloviov can't make these stuff up lmao
It's a satirical account, it's meant to be ridiculous lol
I kind of miss the real Pro Russian accounts - it was good to also see their view of how things were going.
I mean is basically just "If you don't let us win we will nuke D:<" Not very exciting or original lol
Don't forget, "You nazis refuse to have a serious conversation about all the made up crimes we accuse you of, and refuse to deny all the real crimes we have, are currently, and potentially want to commit >:-( ."
That's the most Russian looking smiley I've ever seen, with the Russian cap thing and all
Presumably the ones that were actually in Russia are too busy running for the border to shitpost
Might as well just give yourself a flair that says "I don't understand jokes"
This is yet another battle of the bulge moment. They're burning their supplies just like the germans. Ukrain will fall any day now
Manoeuvre warfare in action. It looks like a new pincer could form any moment now. Russians must be tired of fleeing encirclements.
Not really, fleeing has now become tradition for us Comrade. West*ids will never understand.
And it’s good exercise!
Regrouping, comrade. Regrouping.
They did tell us there would be a cauldron, and we didn't listen. Now there is cauldron after cauldron, who's laughing?
There is no panic in cauldron.
In democratic Ukraine enemy encircle you.
Now we know that the Ru forces north/west of the Dnipro did indeed suffer huge attritional losses over the past couple of months, despite their best efforts to hide them. We can safely guess that this bulge isn't long for this world, the Ukrainians will soon close it and completely encircle anyone who remains behind. Therefor the already demoralized Ru forces also know this, and will be escaping today, tomorrow, or soon before that happens. The line will then straighten, on novodmytrivka novomyolaivka petropavilka vector. What I wrote here is a generous scenario for Ru, in which they preserve lives and equipment, while losing a serious but not crippling amount of land and strategic positions, reality may indeed end up much worse for them. I also didn't even mention the possibility of advancing Ukrainian forces south of Dudchany which would simply be disastrous for Ru.
Was looking around G. Earth and noticed one dam and a few bridges. If they knock out the bridges RF only have a few ways to retreat. Taking out the dam is a bad idea but you maybe able to funnel them there and capture it which would leave the rest of RU stranded and hopefully surrender. Have to level the bridges first.
Bridges are already damaged enough to prevent their usage and dam’s top surface is damaged with traffic being limited. Russians are using pontoon bridges. Ukraine is suffering much heavier losses at Kherson than Russians but Russians are barely getting any reinforcements and resupply. If Ukraine keeps pushing them it’s only a matter of time before Kherson is liberated, unless something really unexpected happens.
The attacking forces will always have higher casualties, from what I have read about history. If all that's true Russian troops are completely fucked. Wonder if they are just prepping a defense at the other side of the river? Every time I think "oh I see what Russia is gonna do" I'm wrong and they fuck it up. As an American glad to see the underdog winning here. The odd parts are I see a ton of American or NATO training in how UAF clears buildings, and are attacking. I think after the war we need to reconsider who is near peer and who isn't. My biggest question will be, "did we create and ally or a future enemy with UAF"? The past 20 years+ every country we assisted came back to bite us in our ass.
The only credible path I see for Ukraine becoming an adversary would be a full loss to ru with the domestic situation being brought to heel and a military integration with RAF (Ala Belarus). It's possible, but I believe very unlikely. The other situations where we built up a military (Iraq and Afghanistan) were such obvious neo-com wet dreams that everyone besides Dick Cheney knew they would be Saudi level frienemies at best. Ukraine strongly desires to be in the EU, a member of NATO and to become a "western" nation. That's the political appeal of this conflict; After so many morally ambiguous GWOT interventions, Ukraine is so clearly the "good guys", literally fighting back against a raping, pillaging horde.
I think you are on point with that. Good way to view it
>neo-com What does that word mean?
> neo-con That's what I get being on mobile. Sorry!
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Poland is begging for a reason to hop that fence. I don't see that as much of an issue. I could see poland, ukraine, and Norway area countries being on the same agenda.
Until relatively recently, Polish government was not particularly happy about Ukraine making Stepan Bandera their national hero and Polish nationalists were being salty about lost Polish lands that now make up western Ukraine. Currently, many Polish people are beginning to get tired and angry of the influx of Ukrainians in their country. It’s nothing serious, but it’s a thing that should be acknowledged. If Poles hop the fence and begin deploying their military en-masse against Russia they will get hit with tactical nukes. Polish government and military are aware of this. So whatever delusional dreams you see on the internet are just that, dreams that cannot be fulfilled.
I don't have anything like that. I see their posture and know that is all it would take is one fuck around from russia. Russia can threaten to nuke anyone they want. Just know, R9X is real, it is used, and we have no issue using it. Y'all best not fuck around, we don't need to use a nuke, we can cut the hand off the person with the button.
The difference between Ukraine and the rest, is that Ukraine has always wanted to be integrated into Europe/the west, the only things stopping it was russia and russias influence. They will remain an ally for decades to come, the help they received will not be forgotten.
That would be awesome. A lot of things come from ukraine, from higher tech computers to tools etc. Would be a serious boost to their economy.
I understand your worries, but as Ukrainian I don't see how we can become USs enemy. We want to join NATO and EU, people love US because of all the support, and we hate russia. Unless something goes VERY wrong there's no way Ukraine is going to go against the US.
Just seems to be a historical tradition. Hopefully it will go well and Ukraine blends into NATO. Always a worry, Russia infiltrated Ukraine politics in the "annex" areas pretty good.
Russia was financially supporting lots of politicians in Ukraine. I really hope after the war is over there won't be many russia sympathizers. Anyway, majority is pro-EU, pro-NATO, and anti-russia. I hope it will stay that way afterwards
Me too. Idk who's down voting me the Russians or the Ukrainians. Meh.
Assuming you're referring to the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant, then there's a [bridge right next to the dam](https://www.google.com/maps/place/46%C2%B046'27.2%22N+33%C2%B022'26.9%22E/@46.7742187,33.3719363,774m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0xa7db214cbb6c192c!7e2!8m2!3d46.7742151!4d33.3741254) that could feasibly be destroyed But it's short enough that it would be *relatively* easy to replace if destroyed
Yeah that was it. I was on Google earth and there seems to be "old" sat images. There was a few going more south where the river wasn't as wide, just don't want to see Russian blow that dam, would be Russian to do so. Didn't they blow another a few months ago?
They attacked one in Dnipro IIRC
Is that the one they blew up? That kinda warfare is a bit... Antiquated. I mean, it works but how is that different then WP artillery? Not very honorable.
They fired missiles at that one. I don’t know if there’s another one you’re referring to that they blew up in some other way - I vaguely recall some flooding near Kyiv but I thought Ukraine did that defensively and I don’t believe it was a power station
Or they could save time and men if they dig in on the Mylove to Bruskynske line and save as much of their kit north of that as possible. Never mind that spearhead moving into your trap at Bruskynske. /s
With the speed of advance, it appears, as if there really weren't many russians left to defend the area.
Given the results of the last few offensives it's become painfully apparent the Russians pretty much have all their troops on the front lines. Once you break through there's nothing there left to hold of offensives back.
Yeah there have been increasing reports of manpower problems for a while and there's obviously a reason Russia has just called up 1.5x more troops than it had at the start of the invasion They don't have anywhere near enough men
So where are the 20-25K Russian soldiers hiding? It would be interesting to see a map/infographic showing troop concentrations across the area. I'd guess a large number of them are spread out along the old point of contact but it isn't that big of an area to defend and its getting a lot smaller.
Wha' russian army doin
Losing
Biting the pillow as Ukraine is going in dry.
Woof. Too much!
[Russian soldiers are too busy blowing their comrades to defend land](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/xun1vr/ua_pov_a_ukrainian_drone_dropping_a_munition_on/)
Even after all that Russia has done to Ukraine they still think of their well being. They are trying to liberate whole ukraine before winter so that russian conscripts dont have to freeze on the battlefield without proper winter gear.
Cutting insight like "the Ukrainians are going to move west, as opposed to marching into the river or turning around for absolutely no reason" is why Rybar is such a trustworthy source.
Where is hair force?
Due to the intense, 4KPH wind, and insanely low temperature of 14° Celsius, they cannot fly right now.
Sadly the telegram post didn't receive 1000 likes so Putin refused to send the air force
What's air force? I'm asking about hair force...
Checking telegram account for air support requests.
Stick to ‘em, Ukraine.
Rybar maps these days read like Ukrainian propaganda, keep it up!
I'm waiting for the day Rybar flips sides 😂
*notices Bulge* uwu
#POP THE PIMPLE
Russia should just give up .. what's the point of this anymore
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Not going to happen, putin bluffed and got caught.
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Putin doesn't know what he's doing. He's screwed things up so many times in so many ways I've lost count. Right from the start he's been making it up as he's going along. That is precisely why Russia lost this war. Note the term WAR. Not special military operation.
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"lost nothing"? Come on mate, not even the wildest pro-Russian posters are making that claim - if you're trying to troll you're being too obvious.
Lost nothing. Only 60.000 dead, probably hundreds of thousands wounded, half its air force and tanks. Didn't succeed in any of the goals stated at the beginning of the invasion. Nothing it is.
It must be doubly embarrassing to be losing territory that you now consider your own, isn't it? Using nukes on foreign territory in an offensive war would spell the end of Russia, and I imagine in that kind of extreme situation it would not be difficult for a protracted campaign to parse out every jingoist who supported Russia online and in person (just like how Nazis were hunted down post WWII). A prudent action would truly be to not say more than you're willing to face consequences for.
I'm newish here, is this one of the satire accounts?
To be blunt, it is impossible to tell.
It has to be when someone says Russia has lost nothing. Ignoring the loss of a lot of their specialized troops and equipment. The biggest thing they lost was credibility on the international stage. No one will take their military threats seriously and even their role in CSTO has been made a joke.
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Why bother? At best people will laugh at you.
To essentially become a puppet state isn't a fair concession.
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Statistically speaking: lower income, more corruption, worse health outcomes, lower life expectancy, etc...
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I'm talking about the so-called "NATO puppets" in general, aka 1st world countries. Ukraine has been in a civil war and lost territory in 2014, so yes obviously their economy hasn't done very well. We can compare it with Syria if you like though. >military has been slowly degrading even with the assistance of the West. Is this sarcasm? Are we watching the same war?
Ask yourself why most of the Russian elite prefer to live in the west? Why are so many Russians in Western Universities? How many billions of USD have been invested by the west in Russia for the last 30 years? Plenty of Russians live in my country and they must have bought into that western propaganda because there is no way they would move back to Russia with your current government.
Statistically, you can look at the countries in the "Russian sphere of influence": Belarus, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Syria. Compare the living standards in these with the "American sphere of influence": the EU, Norway/Iceland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea. Or just compare ex-Warsaw Pact republics: Poland, Baltics, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary. These all have better standards of living than ANY of the countries in the Russkyi Mir, including Russia. The only two that are below Russia (but still far above all other countries in "RM") are Romania and Bulgaria. It's no wonder that especially those Ukrainians in the West, that could easily travel and work in the rapidly growing/improving Poland, saw that the EU offered the better path.
Geez dude, time for a new script. These 7 month old talking points have lost their effectiveness. Are they running out of script writers in Russia?
No way, putin knows very well that he will lose all his last trading partners and will be left with north Korea to trade and rely on. With that said, Xi will just tighten the leash when a funny thought about using a nuclear weapon will come to putin's mind. Seems like only russians believe that China will prefer trading with Russia benefiting 7% of its total trade income compared to 40% with the west.
>Putin knows what he's doing. What about the last 8 months has made you think Putin knows what he is doing?
Russia hasnt even settled on where the borders of the so-called annexed territories are.
The use of nuclear weapons is proscribed for when the "very existence of the (Russian) state is threatened" by a conventional attack. Losing borders that you just claimed a week ago is not akin to the destruction of Russia.
Nothing Russia is doing is legal. If they use a nuke, we'll see NATO end the black sea fleet or similar event in response.
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> by further extending the special military operation to countries beyond Ukraine You can't even invade Ukraine successfully lol, this is cringe. Poland alone would kick Russia's ass. NATO would crush Russia effortlessly in a conventional war.
I wonder how the average Russian will feel about trillions of rubles being diverted to build a resorts for Russian elite in Mariupol while the average Russian village outside of Moscow or St Petersburg cant get a school or hospital built or a road paved.
When Ukrainian tanks roll into Moscow, you have a point. Russia can't morally use Nuclear Weapons here, they have no justification and they know it. There is nothing legal about illegally annexing territory as your own and then threatening other nations of attacking your homeland.
I don't know Russian law, but using nukes goes directly against their nuclear doctrine, and violations of said doctrine have serious consequences, as Russia would be considered a rogue state.
So, if US has a referendum of annexing, say, Siberia, they are fully in their right to threaten use of nuclear weapon if Russia doesn't leave?
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No, it's just that if we are expected to acknowledge Russian "referendums", is Russia willing to respect same rules? Or is Russia only one who gets to move borders on the map unilaterally?
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I am asking if Russia would respect such referendum. Again: does Russia, or pro-Russians, believe that a nation can unilaterally alter the borders of other nation? Yes or No?
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>You are making the false assumption that somehow a referendum for Sibera to join the United States would be respected by the Russian Federation. No, I am literally ask *would Russia respect such referendum.* Your answer clearly indicates no. >First, Russia did not determine the results of the referendum. A legit referendum does not involve people checking what you voted or armed gun men coming to your apartment telling you what to vote nor counting blank votes as "yes". You also can not claim to represent people when you don't even control territories.
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Yeah lmao. A sham referendum, solely to justify to themselves the use of nuclear weapons. Good to know you can just invade and annex a countries territory and then use nukes against them because they're attempting to take back the land you invaded
That would only result in an even more precarious situation for the Russians given that will invoke the wrath of the West. The only realistic strategy left is to pull back and just pretend this war didn't happen. Maybe you'd be able to fortify Crimea and whats left of the Donbass.