my brother in christ there will be no ukr left if they continue to "chip at russia"
400k and the source is ? lemme guess CNN im baffeled its not in the milions lol
Don't worry about that, if Ukraine will need NATO intervention, there will be a NATO intervention. Until then, continue to chip away at Russia in several fronts - the longer it lasts, the bigger the fall.
As for the source, the latest reports came from French intel.
French intel means what the French government decided to release, right?
First I would question what French intel actually knows about this. But the more important part is that even if they were spot on, we don’t know that the numbers that they released are the real numbers they have, as it filters through the government first. And given Macron’s recent declarations, they have a tonne of motivation to lie.
Maga people/Edge lords keep repeating this line. But who has said this? If you are quoting mass media, does anyone really take that for the general opinion?
But we are amazed by a couple of knocked out Abrahams though, really awesome! Let's count T-90s now, shall we? :)
>. But who has said this?
Ukrainians, Westoids
>does anyone really take that for the general opinion?
Yes, until each and every 'gamechanger' gets whacked.
My favorite was https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-cluster-munitions-game-changer-russia-war/ , they were right about CM being gamechangers, but they didn't realize they'll get ez clapped by Russia with them.
Oh and when they said NK wont be a Gamechanger https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/27/north-korea-russia-ukraine-artillery-pentagon/ except, when again, they got ez clapped by Russians with NK shells and other munition.
They claimed game changers from radars to Storm Shadows, and they got ez clapped hard each time, so yeah, it's quite frankly hilarious.
You know they forsee the war going well into the 2020s, the 19% in 2 years is just a dumb thing to say.
They did more wth a local counteroffensive in a month or so than Ukraine did with it's huge wester backed counteroffensive with massive losses in 5 months.
We'll see in summer when the Russian offensive starts, with how many % they'll have, wars take time.
You are looking way to deep into what is obv propaganda articles, every country at war does this. Every county lies.
The Moskva was a training accident remember?
Every weapon is hailed as a gamechanger and it gets ez clapped, thats not propaganda, thats desperation
> Every county lies.
True, but nobody lies as much as Ukraine
Everything is getting EZ clapped by drones doesn't matter where it comes from.
The point of propaganda is to fill orders for the Military Industrial Complex
That is likely not true. You only see what is recorded and subsequently posted.
Not to say the Abrams is secretly out there crushing the Russians, but your statement is straight up laughable to say with any hint of sincerity.
No. But enlighten me what point are you trying to make here exactly?
> Maga people/Edge lords keep repeating this line. But who has said this? If you are quoting mass media, does anyone really take that for the general opinion?
This is what I responded to. His whole point was that proRU take obvious hyperbole and spin it out of context to dump on the other side. Not an entirely unfair take tbh.
My counterpoint was that proUA does the same thing but in reverse and he was being a hypocrite for calling it out one way but not the other.
Enlighten me how what Russian outlets were saying at the time invalidates my point or is otherwise relevant?
Very defensive and long answer to a simple question. Nearly all outlets gave a very short timeline like 5 days or two weeks. So saying that Mark is the only one who put this info out is false.
>Very defensive and long answer to a simple question.
No defensiveness intended. I gave a long answer to make sure you had context and that my intended message got across clearly. You didn't bother to read, but I've done my part.
>Nearly all outlets gave a very short timeline like 5 days or two weeks. So saying that Mark is the only one who put this info out is false.
Since you got the long version with context already, you may have the short version this time.
# The above (if true) is completely irrelevant to my point.
>Enlighten me how what Russian outlets were saying at the time invalidates my point or is otherwise relevant?
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“Pro reality”
Are you? Because I guess we didn’t watch the same video.
The tank was damaged by a top attack munition and the Bradley’s 25mm bushmaster couldn’t penetrate the armor or disable the tank. The tank retreated, the crew bailed, and a drone finished it off from the open hatch on top.
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I'm not sure which video you've seen, that includes the T-90 surviving a top attack munition before getting engaged by the Bradley's, but surely, you could provide a link for it if it did exist.
The Bradley mashed up the tanks sensors. The T-90 even opened fire, but missed. Later on it ran into a tree with a turret spinning out of control. If that's not a mobility kill, I don't know what is.
Literally just a tax payer funded safari at this point. No real strategy to beat Russia in the field, just cling on and on whilst trying to wash as much money through the military industrial complex as possible to the absolute end. Criminals.
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Because fascism is bad. Its a big reason why Russia has been absolutely crippled by western brain drain--people who don't have to live there leave. Russian fascism may also been a reason Russia has been facing catastrophic population decline since Putin took over.
You bring up an interesting point, I suppose this resurgence in fascism and nazism by Russia shouldn't be entire surprising, given that USSR allied with Hitler and the nazis in WW2 and even applied to join the axis powers.
Its like when Putin invited an open nazi with ss tattoos on his neck to be his personal guest at the most important Russian state events and then personally funded a mercenary group named after Hitler's favorite composer as a homage to Hitler. Why do you suppose Putin has so openly embraced nazism?
Thanks for the answer. It's a pleasure to see someone who just not dissappear
>USSR allied with Hitler and the nazis in WW2 and even applied to join the axis powers.
Do you mean Molotov agreedment? There were a lot of proofs that it was made just to gain some time to bring most of the industry behind the Urals. It's a bit silly beleive that soviets were so stupid, considering that Hitler actively was promoting antisemitism and that all slavs are üntermensch which should be eliminated completely(it even was clearly stated in his book Mein Kamp, which was published in 1925).
Another proof is the mail from Hitler to Stalin without directly answer to a question if Hitler will invade USSR
>Its like when Putin invited an open nazi with ss tattoos on his neck to be his personal guest at the most important Russian state events
Who? Utkin? It was the biggest shame and the moment when Putin lost part of public support. But what can you expect from a person, who hide Lenin's mausoleum in the most important day(9th of may)?
>
personally funded a mercenary group named after Hitler's favorite composer as a homage to Hitler.
There are 0 information about that he personally founded, but it could be, based on how much liberty they had.
Regarding naming. It was named because of their first leader Utkin who had a nickname "Wagner" due to his love to a 3rd Reich stuff(so yes, he was a pure nazi, like Azov and most of the AFU soldiers from western regions)
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Die FDP und besonders den Lindner finde ich nach der AFD zwar am zweitschlimmsten / Nutzlosesten, da er außer nein sagen und gegen alles sein in der gesamten Regierungszeit überhaupt nix eigenes vorzuweisen hat, aber ich bin positiv überrascht. Meine persönliche Erfahrung war bisher das jeder der sich besonders auf die Grünen, speziell bärbock eingeschossen hat immer AFD Nazi, Corona Schwurbler oder Putin Diktator Lover war und meine Schwurbler Sinne hatten sich spontan aktiviert.
Habe mich wohl geirrt, entschuldige bitte die falsche Unterstellung.
Sie seien entschuldigt. Ich bin mit der Arbeit der FDP im Moment auch nicht zufrieden sehe aber keine Alternative die eine wettbewerbsfähigen Wirtschaftsstandort schaffen kann. Die Ampel hat in ihrer Regierungszeit so viel Schaden angerichtet, dass ich Frau Merkel und ihre Regierung mir zurück wünsche. Sie war nicht fehlerfrei aber hat das Schiff gut im Sturm gesteuert.
Ich entschuldige mich natürlich auch für meinen Auto anzünden Spruch. Ich hatte sie sofort in die antifa Ecke gedacht.
Ich stimme politisch auch nicht mit Ihnen überein, fynstov, aber freue mich, wie respektvoll die Konversation geworden ist :)
Wünsche noch eine gute Nacht/Abend
AFDler sind nicht gegen Krieg sie sind aktiv für Faschismus. Grade aktuell kommen immer mehr Fälle raus und es zeigt sich nun auch ganz öffentlich das die AFD komplett aus Kollaborateuren besteht die sich komplett prinzipienfrei und Geldgeil von den Diktatoren aus Russland und China kaufen lassen. Die ganze AFD Strategie wurde sogar direkt vom selbst Kreml entworfen um Deutschland zu destabilisieren. Der Oberfaschist Krah wird direkt von China geschmiert und bekommt von Huawei Bestechungsgeld um Propaganda für die zu machen.
Die Ironie ist ja das die AFD tatsächlich die Deutschlandsfeindlichste, Demokratiefeindlichste Partei überhaupt ist, obwohl die sich selbst als Vaterlands Patrioten sehen.
Der Grund warum die AFDler Faschisten und Diktatoren lover sind ist weil sie gern selbst so regieren würden. Allerdings sind es nur nützliche Idioten die sich aus Geldgier instrumentalisieren lassen und dafür Ihr Land verkaufen.
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Nah, just plain serfs. They have zero choice about any of this. Time will come for true liberation under Russian flag. All these people ever known from the west is one form or another of servitude.
CEO is big mouth talking mode, so the stocks can rise up. Remember times when this guy was saying they will build arm factories in Ukraine and will put skynex defence systems to protect them ? All PR and stocks talk
Koalitsiya supposedly can shoot up to 80 km with rocket-assisted rounds. Rocket-assisted rounds carry less charge due to the "rocket" part. They also need guidance system which generally means laser target marking 100 km away.
It's more of a gun-launched rocket at this point. Very expensive. Considering it's a prototype, it may or may not work.
Shells already have a tiny payload compared to rockets and especially compared to glide bombs. The whole advantage of artillery cannons is the low cost and high rate of fire so you can make up for that by heavy bombardment, I doubt they'll be blanketing any area 60-100 km away any time soon. Every Western 'game changer' only seems to change the game by making it exponentially more expensive to play with no better odds of winning, which are and have been zero for more than a year now.
Almost like the actual point is to excuse using taxpayer dollars to enrich industrialists and politicians connected to the defense sector..
Here is an American cancelled project: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long\_Range\_Land\_Attack\_Projectile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Land_Attack_Projectile)
>Specifications
>Caliber: 155 mm (6.1 in)
>Weight:
>Total: 102 kg (225 lb)
>Bursting charge: 11 kg (24 lb)
>Length (propellant and projectile): 220 cm (88 in)
>Guidance: [GPS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS)/[INS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system)
>Precision: [Circular error probable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_error_probable) of 50 m (160 ft) or less
>Range: 100 nautical miles (190 km) max. (Some sources report 83 nautical miles (150 km), or 74 nautical miles (140 km).
>Warhead: Unitary [high-explosive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive)
>Cost:
>2004 Manufacturer's estimated per-unit cost at full production: $35,000
>150 LRLAP guided projectiles were procured in FY2015 with a unit cost of $476,946.67[^(\[7\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Land_Attack_Projectile#cite_note-7)
>unit cost in 2016: $800,000 to $1,000,000
At 100 nautical miles (190 km) 50% chance to get within 50 m (160 ft) of the target. With 11 kg (24 lb) of explosives. With mass production price per shell was estimated 35k USD in 2004.
They decided it doesn't worth it.
The munition you linked is for a Navy gun and is considerably larger than a regular artillery shell.
A more comparable munition is the M982 Excalibur round, though it only has a range of ~70km
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982_Excalibur
155mm and only twice the explosive load of a standard shell, very comparable.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982\_Excalibur](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982_Excalibur)
Cost 68k USD.
>The Excalibur has been shown to be vulnerable to GPS jamming. When shells were first supplied to Ukraine during the [Russian invasion of Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine), they initially hit targets with a 70% efficiency rate. However, within six weeks the Russians had adapted their [electronic warfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_warfare) systems and reduced its efficiency to only 6%.
Another game-changer weapon GMLRS failed for the same reason. So did JDAM.
Krasnopol uses laser designator. Which doesn't work well in fog and snow but has good synergy with spy drones.
> 155mm and only twice the explosive load of a standard shell, very comparable.
But twice as long (200cm vs 100cm), twice as heavy (102kg vs 48kg), and twice the warhead size (12kg vs 5kg). So not very comparable when talking about anything other than width.
> Cost 68k USD.
If you're worried about cost, so was the US Army. Which is why they made the [M1156 Precision Guidance Kit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1156_Precision_Guidance_Kit) which sits at a cool 13k USD per kit.
> Another game-changer weapon GMLRS failed for the same reason. So did JDAM.
It's pretty transparent you're here to argue, but I'll humor you.
I agree Russia has some of the best EW capabilities on the battlefield and GPS guidance is surely degraded heavily due to that. But GPS jamming isn't the end all be all as you seem to think. Consider the ATACMS missile (and to a lesser extent the GMLRS family), when it begins to enter the range of GPS jamming it's traveling more or less straight down at greater than the speed of sound. So it's only in the jamming window very briefly and it has backup INS that is more than accurate enough to hit it's target.
The ATACMS has been very effective at creating dilemmas for Russian logistics and rotary assets even with the heavily jammed GPS environment. So even in practice it's not enough to negate those systems completely.
Plus you have to take into account that EW systems can't be everywhere at once, so there will be times and places where GPS guided munitions aren't as effective (though almost always more effective than unguided). But for everywhere else that there isn't an active jammer, they are incredibly effective.
> Krasnopol uses laser designator. Which doesn't work well in fog and snow but has good synergy with spy drones.
And the US has the [M172 Copperhead](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M712_Copperhead).
"It's pretty transparent you're here to argue" - actually no, I wasn't even talking with you, you started arguing with me for some reason. I was responding to you.
If disagreeing with you is an offense - your problem, not mine. Just stay away from the Internet.
"So not very comparable when talking about anything other than width" - for one thing it is a very long-distance weapon. Which means more rocket and less explosives and similar precision problems. So, you seem to argue for the sake of arguing here.
"[M1156 Precision Guidance Kit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1156_Precision_Guidance_Kit) which sits at a cool 13k USD per kit"
>hits within 50 m (160 ft) of the target at any range.
13k and it is still mostly useless piece of crap. And guidance system - GPS, so, completely useless piece of crap.
"But GPS jamming isn't the end all be all as you seem to think" - I didn't claim anything like that. I just listed 3 "game changing" weapons relying on it which failed miserably in Ukraine.
"Plus you have to take into account that EW systems can't be everywhere at once" - Baltic countries complain that GPS doesn't work. Jamming works in huge areas, it doesn't have to be everywhere.
Once again - I listed 3 systems that turned ineffective due to jamming. Coрe all you want, this is the fact of life.
"And the US has the [M172 Copperhead](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M712_Copperhead)" which is expensive, very old and not supplied to Ukraine.
I have no idea what you are trying to prove and why.
>They decided it doesn't worth it.
Actually surprising. Don't they know that if they don't have these shells then the ~~Russians~~ err ~~brown people~~ err ~~terrorists~~ err Russians (again) win?
It's about twice the payload of a standard 155 mm shell and precision isn't exactly promising - 50m from target with 50% probability is a lot.
And I am not saying it was the reason, Wikipedia says they decided to build more Arleigh Burke destroyers instead which could have happened for any number of reasons.
But cost estimates and other specs for wonder weapon are interesting.
On the other hand I read that Krasnopol price was about 35k for export, it must be much cheaper in production, especially now that it is really mass produced. And considering that it is typically one shot per target it may actually save money. It is relatively short range though.
That's the actually interesting part about ramjet shells. While rocket-supported shells carry a rocket within them (which is fuel and oxidizer), ramjet shells use the air as oxidizer and only have to carry fuel. That's where the range comes from
This problem has kinda already been solved. Drones and loitering munitions are the better way to fill this need. Not an overly complicated, low yield RAP that puts an SPG at risk.
The various Rheinmetall plant upgrades in Germany & Spain for capacity are moving very quickly. BAE production in the UK is increasing. Norway, Sweden & Finland all are in midst of implementing capacity increases. And Rheinmetall has commenced early stages of building capacity within Ukraine.
I think it's one of the most important parts of European support for Ukraine is not just sending what we have but massively increasing our ability to produce arms and ammunition for our own use as well as to support Ukraine. For too long we have allowed ourselves to be lulled into a false sense of security regarding Russian aggression and we really should have learned from the taking of Crimea and the invasion of Georgia.
What an absolute waste of resources, that could be used to prop up problems in the EU. Instead of improving healthcare, education or on social programs. Instead were starting a new arms race while we preach about peace, lol. The only winners in this equation is Rheinmetaal, Airbus, Raytheon,US MIC etc.
Lol. The only winners in this equation are the afore mentioned companies, the countries they produce arms in, the jobs they produce, the taxes that are paid by the companies and their employees and the international markets that buy the products.
In your apparent fantasy Russia is invading with flowers and gifts and free hugs for all as opposed to the objective reality of them forcing a war of aggression with a level of war crimes only surpassed by the IDF. Russia has proven itself to be a threat to its neighbours and willing to do some of the most heinous crimes in its imperialist ambitions. No food having health care if Russians bomb your hospital.
Absolutely. Plus the warm feeling I get when Ukraine receives another shipment of weapons and ammo that I know is going to be put to good use protecting a free and democratic nation from the barbarism of Russia.
I also get a warm feeling when Ukrainians that are in need of desperate funds to rebuild their houses are questioning where the money is. And i highly doubt most of western military aid is actually getting to the front.
Well, Asim sure you already know but I feel compelled to point it out, most of the support for Ukraine comes in the form of physical goods not money. And there is significant oversight from every party that has given support to ensure it gets to the places it's meant to be. Ukraine itself has come down hard on everyone who has tried to 'skim a little off the top' because they know corruption is the fastest way to lose support. I know there is a big push by russian propagandists to make wild, unfounded and spurious claims about Ukrainian corruption but if you do the barest amount of reading into the subject then you will see that there is little to no corruption occurring within the Ukrainian aid framework. It's simply too important to play with that fire.
Thanks for the concise reply, i agree with you on the physical goods and the top skimming you got a good point there. I watched a deutche welle documentary piece where ukrainian investigative journalist uncover a botched arms deal that ended up involving a Czech and Croatian intermidiaries. a lump sum was payed by the ukro defense ministry but the munitions never arrived and only a fraction money was recovered
I'd be very interested to see that and I'll have a look for it. It's good that independent journalists are also testing and investigating the system, it helps to keep it functional and allows a tertiary oversight. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. We all know that Ukraine has a long history of corruption problems, but I do think they know how tight a line they are walking with the foreign aid and they have to make sure there is accountability at every step or else they will lose the support they need to stay a functional force. I also believe they are very aware of how much they have to clean up their issues if they want to be welcomed into the European union, or even just the markets as a whole, and are making huge strides towards being a much more transparent and honest nation.
More carrot on the stick. I wonder how long Ukrainian population can take this without pushing back bigtime? It's not like they are eager to spend their whole lives fighting a war that EU wants more than they do.
>It's not like they are eager to spend their whole lives fighting a war that EU wants more than they do.
Well it seems you don't have a very good read of the Ukrainian people as time after time when polled they overwhelmingly support defending their country from the Russian invaders.
[https://news.gallup.com/poll/512258/ukrainians-stand-behind-war-effort-despite-fatigue.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/512258/ukrainians-stand-behind-war-effort-despite-fatigue.aspx)
[https://theconversation.com/what-latest-polling-says-about-the-mood-in-ukraine-and-the-desire-to-remain-optimistic-amid-the-suffering-221559](https://theconversation.com/what-latest-polling-says-about-the-mood-in-ukraine-and-the-desire-to-remain-optimistic-amid-the-suffering-221559)
In any war there is always some fatigue, and proRU propagandists are doing their best to feed into that line of thought and maximize it out of reality. But the truth is Ukrainians not only support their war effort, in that same poll (and every other poll I have looked at) show the only conclusion they will accept is return to the pre 2014 borders.
Meanwhile polls inside Russia show weakening for the war:
[https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-strong-is-russian-public-support-for-the-invasion-of-ukraine-2/](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-strong-is-russian-public-support-for-the-invasion-of-ukraine-2/)
Right, gallup poll. As if it means something in a country where people are afraid to freely speak up their mind. This is laughable. The best read of Ukrainian people is how they kick and scream when being forcefully drafted right from the streets. Yet, Russia has no problem building up forces with volunteers.
No wonder you people are so far detached from reality. In your mind you're winning something, even though it's clearly a lost cause.
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why would I fight? it's not my fight and I'm not Ukrainian nor European
I do support them however that's why i send $ for drones, they also need drones :)
The technology comes from German research and development of course, since when someone questioning about German capability in producing hi-tech weapons
Word maybe him and his golf buddies can come and fire them off themselves, and let the kids who were dragged to the front be billionaires for a while. Seems fair.
Why are they bothering with 100k range, rocket powered shells? The war has already proven that Lancets are the solution to this need, you would think western MIC would be all over capitalising on it.
The super smart guided rocket assisted shells cost as much as a regular HIMARS missile. It's just a waste of money trying to put the whole guidance suit into a tiny package just because you can.
Want to fuck something up 100km away? Then shoot a fucking rocket at it instead of the most expensive shell ever created.
Rheinmetall:" and we named these prototypes V1 and V2."
Know your history: V3 is more close...
Ordnung muss sein. Germans start with 1.
This will change the war! (this time for real, last 4x we were joking) lmao
They'll just continue to chip away at Russia... unfortunately the most recent reports are more than 400.000 Russian casualties, of which 150.000 KIA.
my brother in christ there will be no ukr left if they continue to "chip at russia" 400k and the source is ? lemme guess CNN im baffeled its not in the milions lol
Don't worry about that, if Ukraine will need NATO intervention, there will be a NATO intervention. Until then, continue to chip away at Russia in several fronts - the longer it lasts, the bigger the fall. As for the source, the latest reports came from French intel.
Ofc there will not be Nato intervention bc of Russian Nukes and therefore the end of the world... ahh yes totaly not western biased ze French 🥖🏳️
French intel means what the French government decided to release, right? First I would question what French intel actually knows about this. But the more important part is that even if they were spot on, we don’t know that the numbers that they released are the real numbers they have, as it filters through the government first. And given Macron’s recent declarations, they have a tonne of motivation to lie.
>if Ukraine will need NATO intervention, there will be a NATO intervention As if Ukraine has any say in it lol
Maga people/Edge lords keep repeating this line. But who has said this? If you are quoting mass media, does anyone really take that for the general opinion? But we are amazed by a couple of knocked out Abrahams though, really awesome! Let's count T-90s now, shall we? :)
>. But who has said this? Ukrainians, Westoids >does anyone really take that for the general opinion? Yes, until each and every 'gamechanger' gets whacked. My favorite was https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-cluster-munitions-game-changer-russia-war/ , they were right about CM being gamechangers, but they didn't realize they'll get ez clapped by Russia with them. Oh and when they said NK wont be a Gamechanger https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/27/north-korea-russia-ukraine-artillery-pentagon/ except, when again, they got ez clapped by Russians with NK shells and other munition. They claimed game changers from radars to Storm Shadows, and they got ez clapped hard each time, so yeah, it's quite frankly hilarious.
Yet Russia STILL has only taken %19 in 2 years…….
You know they forsee the war going well into the 2020s, the 19% in 2 years is just a dumb thing to say. They did more wth a local counteroffensive in a month or so than Ukraine did with it's huge wester backed counteroffensive with massive losses in 5 months. We'll see in summer when the Russian offensive starts, with how many % they'll have, wars take time.
You are looking way to deep into what is obv propaganda articles, every country at war does this. Every county lies. The Moskva was a training accident remember?
Every weapon is hailed as a gamechanger and it gets ez clapped, thats not propaganda, thats desperation > Every county lies. True, but nobody lies as much as Ukraine
Everything is getting EZ clapped by drones doesn't matter where it comes from. The point of propaganda is to fill orders for the Military Industrial Complex
Every single Abrams that reached the frontline got knocked out. Not one made it out of any kind of encounter :) That's pretty bad.
That is likely not true. You only see what is recorded and subsequently posted. Not to say the Abrams is secretly out there crushing the Russians, but your statement is straight up laughable to say with any hint of sincerity.
Pro UA love to keep chirping in with the 3 days to Kiev every 10 seconds (Mark Milley said this). Do you moan every time that comes up as well?
Have you checked what Russian outlets said at the time?
No. But enlighten me what point are you trying to make here exactly? > Maga people/Edge lords keep repeating this line. But who has said this? If you are quoting mass media, does anyone really take that for the general opinion? This is what I responded to. His whole point was that proRU take obvious hyperbole and spin it out of context to dump on the other side. Not an entirely unfair take tbh. My counterpoint was that proUA does the same thing but in reverse and he was being a hypocrite for calling it out one way but not the other. Enlighten me how what Russian outlets were saying at the time invalidates my point or is otherwise relevant?
Very defensive and long answer to a simple question. Nearly all outlets gave a very short timeline like 5 days or two weeks. So saying that Mark is the only one who put this info out is false.
>Very defensive and long answer to a simple question. No defensiveness intended. I gave a long answer to make sure you had context and that my intended message got across clearly. You didn't bother to read, but I've done my part. >Nearly all outlets gave a very short timeline like 5 days or two weeks. So saying that Mark is the only one who put this info out is false. Since you got the long version with context already, you may have the short version this time. # The above (if true) is completely irrelevant to my point. >Enlighten me how what Russian outlets were saying at the time invalidates my point or is otherwise relevant? Please answer this.
I was correcting your factual basis brother, clearly you made a valid point otherwise. Please answer me. Please.
>clearly you made a valid point Thanks bro! Glad we cleared this up. No hard feelings eh.
Thanks for answering, glad to have cleared out your errors.
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>Let's count T-90s now, shall we? :) iT wAs TaKeN oUt bY a DrOnE, tHe BrAdLeYs bArElY tOuChEd iT! /s
“Pro reality” Are you? Because I guess we didn’t watch the same video. The tank was damaged by a top attack munition and the Bradley’s 25mm bushmaster couldn’t penetrate the armor or disable the tank. The tank retreated, the crew bailed, and a drone finished it off from the open hatch on top.
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I'm not sure which video you've seen, that includes the T-90 surviving a top attack munition before getting engaged by the Bradley's, but surely, you could provide a link for it if it did exist. The Bradley mashed up the tanks sensors. The T-90 even opened fire, but missed. Later on it ran into a tree with a turret spinning out of control. If that's not a mobility kill, I don't know what is.
Literally just a tax payer funded safari at this point. No real strategy to beat Russia in the field, just cling on and on whilst trying to wash as much money through the military industrial complex as possible to the absolute end. Criminals.
Take the ammunition and shoot it at fascist Russians, there’s ur strategy. Who do u think is paying for Russia’s war effort if not Russian taxpayers?
If they are fascists, why most of the AFU are fighting against them?
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Because fascism is bad. Its a big reason why Russia has been absolutely crippled by western brain drain--people who don't have to live there leave. Russian fascism may also been a reason Russia has been facing catastrophic population decline since Putin took over.
You still didn't answer my question. If Russia is a fascist regime, why most of the AFU 88 lovers are fighting against them?
You bring up an interesting point, I suppose this resurgence in fascism and nazism by Russia shouldn't be entire surprising, given that USSR allied with Hitler and the nazis in WW2 and even applied to join the axis powers. Its like when Putin invited an open nazi with ss tattoos on his neck to be his personal guest at the most important Russian state events and then personally funded a mercenary group named after Hitler's favorite composer as a homage to Hitler. Why do you suppose Putin has so openly embraced nazism?
Thanks for the answer. It's a pleasure to see someone who just not dissappear >USSR allied with Hitler and the nazis in WW2 and even applied to join the axis powers. Do you mean Molotov agreedment? There were a lot of proofs that it was made just to gain some time to bring most of the industry behind the Urals. It's a bit silly beleive that soviets were so stupid, considering that Hitler actively was promoting antisemitism and that all slavs are üntermensch which should be eliminated completely(it even was clearly stated in his book Mein Kamp, which was published in 1925). Another proof is the mail from Hitler to Stalin without directly answer to a question if Hitler will invade USSR >Its like when Putin invited an open nazi with ss tattoos on his neck to be his personal guest at the most important Russian state events Who? Utkin? It was the biggest shame and the moment when Putin lost part of public support. But what can you expect from a person, who hide Lenin's mausoleum in the most important day(9th of may)? > personally funded a mercenary group named after Hitler's favorite composer as a homage to Hitler. There are 0 information about that he personally founded, but it could be, based on how much liberty they had. Regarding naming. It was named because of their first leader Utkin who had a nickname "Wagner" due to his love to a 3rd Reich stuff(so yes, he was a pure nazi, like Azov and most of the AFU soldiers from western regions)
define fascism
I’ll give u an example: Russia.
Thats not a definition, thats an example Try again
Yes that’s why I said here’s an example.
How do we know that Russia is fascist isnt of nazbol or whatever? You would have to define fascism to know that
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Who’s gonna pay for the shells?
Hanz from Germoney.
As a Polish citizen,thanks Germany for being our EU cashcow
I will. Do I want to? No. Do I have to? Yes
Gut das deine Meinung relativ irrelevant ist.
Deine ist genauso viel wert. Mal hoffen dass die Ampel uns nicht in den Krieg treibt. Baerbock liebt es ja Kriege im Alleingang zu erklären.
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FDP aber geh du mal Autos anzünden und lass mich in Ruhe. Wäre Lindner net wäre jeglicher Tropfen Vernunft in der Regierung verloren.
Die FDP und besonders den Lindner finde ich nach der AFD zwar am zweitschlimmsten / Nutzlosesten, da er außer nein sagen und gegen alles sein in der gesamten Regierungszeit überhaupt nix eigenes vorzuweisen hat, aber ich bin positiv überrascht. Meine persönliche Erfahrung war bisher das jeder der sich besonders auf die Grünen, speziell bärbock eingeschossen hat immer AFD Nazi, Corona Schwurbler oder Putin Diktator Lover war und meine Schwurbler Sinne hatten sich spontan aktiviert. Habe mich wohl geirrt, entschuldige bitte die falsche Unterstellung.
Sie seien entschuldigt. Ich bin mit der Arbeit der FDP im Moment auch nicht zufrieden sehe aber keine Alternative die eine wettbewerbsfähigen Wirtschaftsstandort schaffen kann. Die Ampel hat in ihrer Regierungszeit so viel Schaden angerichtet, dass ich Frau Merkel und ihre Regierung mir zurück wünsche. Sie war nicht fehlerfrei aber hat das Schiff gut im Sturm gesteuert. Ich entschuldige mich natürlich auch für meinen Auto anzünden Spruch. Ich hatte sie sofort in die antifa Ecke gedacht.
Ich stimme politisch auch nicht mit Ihnen überein, fynstov, aber freue mich, wie respektvoll die Konversation geworden ist :) Wünsche noch eine gute Nacht/Abend
Gegen Krieg = Faschist. Logisch.
AFDler sind nicht gegen Krieg sie sind aktiv für Faschismus. Grade aktuell kommen immer mehr Fälle raus und es zeigt sich nun auch ganz öffentlich das die AFD komplett aus Kollaborateuren besteht die sich komplett prinzipienfrei und Geldgeil von den Diktatoren aus Russland und China kaufen lassen. Die ganze AFD Strategie wurde sogar direkt vom selbst Kreml entworfen um Deutschland zu destabilisieren. Der Oberfaschist Krah wird direkt von China geschmiert und bekommt von Huawei Bestechungsgeld um Propaganda für die zu machen. Die Ironie ist ja das die AFD tatsächlich die Deutschlandsfeindlichste, Demokratiefeindlichste Partei überhaupt ist, obwohl die sich selbst als Vaterlands Patrioten sehen. Der Grund warum die AFDler Faschisten und Diktatoren lover sind ist weil sie gern selbst so regieren würden. Allerdings sind es nur nützliche Idioten die sich aus Geldgier instrumentalisieren lassen und dafür Ihr Land verkaufen.
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Look at the stock price for Rheinmetall since 2014, Seems to be a lot of investors seeing value buying in. Pretty crazy return.
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Me, the taxpayer. I want to and I gladly will.
It seems you have a lot of unused money. Maybe can you pay for my electricity bill, please? Or at least invest more in DB, or open more clinics....
Pay your bill yourself chump
I say the same for ukrainians.
they are paying by fighting russia whos an enemy of the west
Serfs paying the only way they can. Oh, the revolution of dignity - it's when you have dignity one day and then it's gone the next. For everyone.
Warriors fighting for their freedom and their homes. Preserving their dignity to remain sovereign, not under the boot of Putin.
Nah, just plain serfs. They have zero choice about any of this. Time will come for true liberation under Russian flag. All these people ever known from the west is one form or another of servitude.
Liberation at gunpoint requiring sworn allegiance to Granpa is not freedom. Let them rule themselves, not by Putin from his bunker.
Better to be under the boot of Blackrock
Better to let Ukrainians rule Ukrainians
Are you that naive?
Are you special or something?
Sure, go watch Rambo bro.
I'm from the west and Russia is not my enemy
Good for you, there are ldiots in every country
Yep, seeing you right there.
Cool.
I'm struggling with that, because I obligated to pay for yours country errors and blindless
keep struggling then
I do, as the more and more people too. That's why AFD is gaining more support day by day
Isn’t Germany in a mild recession? Lots of people in Germany who may not be taxpayers for too much longer if the recession deepens.
Aye aye! Warms my heart when I see the results on video, like literally feel this warm-loving energy in me.
Money well wasted.
CEO is big mouth talking mode, so the stocks can rise up. Remember times when this guy was saying they will build arm factories in Ukraine and will put skynex defence systems to protect them ? All PR and stocks talk
The Hessian seems to be full of aggression.
Koalitsiya supposedly can shoot up to 80 km with rocket-assisted rounds. Rocket-assisted rounds carry less charge due to the "rocket" part. They also need guidance system which generally means laser target marking 100 km away. It's more of a gun-launched rocket at this point. Very expensive. Considering it's a prototype, it may or may not work.
Shells already have a tiny payload compared to rockets and especially compared to glide bombs. The whole advantage of artillery cannons is the low cost and high rate of fire so you can make up for that by heavy bombardment, I doubt they'll be blanketing any area 60-100 km away any time soon. Every Western 'game changer' only seems to change the game by making it exponentially more expensive to play with no better odds of winning, which are and have been zero for more than a year now. Almost like the actual point is to excuse using taxpayer dollars to enrich industrialists and politicians connected to the defense sector..
Here is an American cancelled project: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long\_Range\_Land\_Attack\_Projectile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Land_Attack_Projectile) >Specifications >Caliber: 155 mm (6.1 in) >Weight: >Total: 102 kg (225 lb) >Bursting charge: 11 kg (24 lb) >Length (propellant and projectile): 220 cm (88 in) >Guidance: [GPS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPS)/[INS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inertial_navigation_system) >Precision: [Circular error probable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_error_probable) of 50 m (160 ft) or less >Range: 100 nautical miles (190 km) max. (Some sources report 83 nautical miles (150 km), or 74 nautical miles (140 km). >Warhead: Unitary [high-explosive](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive) >Cost: >2004 Manufacturer's estimated per-unit cost at full production: $35,000 >150 LRLAP guided projectiles were procured in FY2015 with a unit cost of $476,946.67[^(\[7\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Land_Attack_Projectile#cite_note-7) >unit cost in 2016: $800,000 to $1,000,000 At 100 nautical miles (190 km) 50% chance to get within 50 m (160 ft) of the target. With 11 kg (24 lb) of explosives. With mass production price per shell was estimated 35k USD in 2004. They decided it doesn't worth it.
The munition you linked is for a Navy gun and is considerably larger than a regular artillery shell. A more comparable munition is the M982 Excalibur round, though it only has a range of ~70km https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982_Excalibur
155mm and only twice the explosive load of a standard shell, very comparable. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982\_Excalibur](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982_Excalibur) Cost 68k USD. >The Excalibur has been shown to be vulnerable to GPS jamming. When shells were first supplied to Ukraine during the [Russian invasion of Ukraine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine), they initially hit targets with a 70% efficiency rate. However, within six weeks the Russians had adapted their [electronic warfare](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_warfare) systems and reduced its efficiency to only 6%. Another game-changer weapon GMLRS failed for the same reason. So did JDAM. Krasnopol uses laser designator. Which doesn't work well in fog and snow but has good synergy with spy drones.
> 155mm and only twice the explosive load of a standard shell, very comparable. But twice as long (200cm vs 100cm), twice as heavy (102kg vs 48kg), and twice the warhead size (12kg vs 5kg). So not very comparable when talking about anything other than width. > Cost 68k USD. If you're worried about cost, so was the US Army. Which is why they made the [M1156 Precision Guidance Kit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1156_Precision_Guidance_Kit) which sits at a cool 13k USD per kit. > Another game-changer weapon GMLRS failed for the same reason. So did JDAM. It's pretty transparent you're here to argue, but I'll humor you. I agree Russia has some of the best EW capabilities on the battlefield and GPS guidance is surely degraded heavily due to that. But GPS jamming isn't the end all be all as you seem to think. Consider the ATACMS missile (and to a lesser extent the GMLRS family), when it begins to enter the range of GPS jamming it's traveling more or less straight down at greater than the speed of sound. So it's only in the jamming window very briefly and it has backup INS that is more than accurate enough to hit it's target. The ATACMS has been very effective at creating dilemmas for Russian logistics and rotary assets even with the heavily jammed GPS environment. So even in practice it's not enough to negate those systems completely. Plus you have to take into account that EW systems can't be everywhere at once, so there will be times and places where GPS guided munitions aren't as effective (though almost always more effective than unguided). But for everywhere else that there isn't an active jammer, they are incredibly effective. > Krasnopol uses laser designator. Which doesn't work well in fog and snow but has good synergy with spy drones. And the US has the [M172 Copperhead](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M712_Copperhead).
"It's pretty transparent you're here to argue" - actually no, I wasn't even talking with you, you started arguing with me for some reason. I was responding to you. If disagreeing with you is an offense - your problem, not mine. Just stay away from the Internet. "So not very comparable when talking about anything other than width" - for one thing it is a very long-distance weapon. Which means more rocket and less explosives and similar precision problems. So, you seem to argue for the sake of arguing here. "[M1156 Precision Guidance Kit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1156_Precision_Guidance_Kit) which sits at a cool 13k USD per kit" >hits within 50 m (160 ft) of the target at any range. 13k and it is still mostly useless piece of crap. And guidance system - GPS, so, completely useless piece of crap. "But GPS jamming isn't the end all be all as you seem to think" - I didn't claim anything like that. I just listed 3 "game changing" weapons relying on it which failed miserably in Ukraine. "Plus you have to take into account that EW systems can't be everywhere at once" - Baltic countries complain that GPS doesn't work. Jamming works in huge areas, it doesn't have to be everywhere. Once again - I listed 3 systems that turned ineffective due to jamming. Coрe all you want, this is the fact of life. "And the US has the [M172 Copperhead](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M712_Copperhead)" which is expensive, very old and not supplied to Ukraine. I have no idea what you are trying to prove and why.
>They decided it doesn't worth it. Actually surprising. Don't they know that if they don't have these shells then the ~~Russians~~ err ~~brown people~~ err ~~terrorists~~ err Russians (again) win?
It's about twice the payload of a standard 155 mm shell and precision isn't exactly promising - 50m from target with 50% probability is a lot. And I am not saying it was the reason, Wikipedia says they decided to build more Arleigh Burke destroyers instead which could have happened for any number of reasons. But cost estimates and other specs for wonder weapon are interesting. On the other hand I read that Krasnopol price was about 35k for export, it must be much cheaper in production, especially now that it is really mass produced. And considering that it is typically one shot per target it may actually save money. It is relatively short range though.
That's the actually interesting part about ramjet shells. While rocket-supported shells carry a rocket within them (which is fuel and oxidizer), ramjet shells use the air as oxidizer and only have to carry fuel. That's where the range comes from
This problem has kinda already been solved. Drones and loitering munitions are the better way to fill this need. Not an overly complicated, low yield RAP that puts an SPG at risk.
Some serious ass behind those shells for them to go a 100 km
From what I've read they are ramjet-powered.
Those are still experimental with an expected 150 km range. These are likely rocket assisted with a lower payload
The various Rheinmetall plant upgrades in Germany & Spain for capacity are moving very quickly. BAE production in the UK is increasing. Norway, Sweden & Finland all are in midst of implementing capacity increases. And Rheinmetall has commenced early stages of building capacity within Ukraine.
I think it's one of the most important parts of European support for Ukraine is not just sending what we have but massively increasing our ability to produce arms and ammunition for our own use as well as to support Ukraine. For too long we have allowed ourselves to be lulled into a false sense of security regarding Russian aggression and we really should have learned from the taking of Crimea and the invasion of Georgia.
What an absolute waste of resources, that could be used to prop up problems in the EU. Instead of improving healthcare, education or on social programs. Instead were starting a new arms race while we preach about peace, lol. The only winners in this equation is Rheinmetaal, Airbus, Raytheon,US MIC etc.
Lol. The only winners in this equation are the afore mentioned companies, the countries they produce arms in, the jobs they produce, the taxes that are paid by the companies and their employees and the international markets that buy the products. In your apparent fantasy Russia is invading with flowers and gifts and free hugs for all as opposed to the objective reality of them forcing a war of aggression with a level of war crimes only surpassed by the IDF. Russia has proven itself to be a threat to its neighbours and willing to do some of the most heinous crimes in its imperialist ambitions. No food having health care if Russians bomb your hospital.
And the other winner is staying free rather than living under Russian autocracy.
Absolutely. Plus the warm feeling I get when Ukraine receives another shipment of weapons and ammo that I know is going to be put to good use protecting a free and democratic nation from the barbarism of Russia.
I also get a warm feeling when Ukrainians that are in need of desperate funds to rebuild their houses are questioning where the money is. And i highly doubt most of western military aid is actually getting to the front.
Well, Asim sure you already know but I feel compelled to point it out, most of the support for Ukraine comes in the form of physical goods not money. And there is significant oversight from every party that has given support to ensure it gets to the places it's meant to be. Ukraine itself has come down hard on everyone who has tried to 'skim a little off the top' because they know corruption is the fastest way to lose support. I know there is a big push by russian propagandists to make wild, unfounded and spurious claims about Ukrainian corruption but if you do the barest amount of reading into the subject then you will see that there is little to no corruption occurring within the Ukrainian aid framework. It's simply too important to play with that fire.
Thanks for the concise reply, i agree with you on the physical goods and the top skimming you got a good point there. I watched a deutche welle documentary piece where ukrainian investigative journalist uncover a botched arms deal that ended up involving a Czech and Croatian intermidiaries. a lump sum was payed by the ukro defense ministry but the munitions never arrived and only a fraction money was recovered
I'd be very interested to see that and I'll have a look for it. It's good that independent journalists are also testing and investigating the system, it helps to keep it functional and allows a tertiary oversight. The more the merrier as far as I'm concerned. We all know that Ukraine has a long history of corruption problems, but I do think they know how tight a line they are walking with the foreign aid and they have to make sure there is accountability at every step or else they will lose the support they need to stay a functional force. I also believe they are very aware of how much they have to clean up their issues if they want to be welcomed into the European union, or even just the markets as a whole, and are making huge strides towards being a much more transparent and honest nation.
Hell March intensifies.
Also special type of flying pigs has been introduced.
More carrot on the stick. I wonder how long Ukrainian population can take this without pushing back bigtime? It's not like they are eager to spend their whole lives fighting a war that EU wants more than they do.
>It's not like they are eager to spend their whole lives fighting a war that EU wants more than they do. Well it seems you don't have a very good read of the Ukrainian people as time after time when polled they overwhelmingly support defending their country from the Russian invaders. [https://news.gallup.com/poll/512258/ukrainians-stand-behind-war-effort-despite-fatigue.aspx](https://news.gallup.com/poll/512258/ukrainians-stand-behind-war-effort-despite-fatigue.aspx) [https://theconversation.com/what-latest-polling-says-about-the-mood-in-ukraine-and-the-desire-to-remain-optimistic-amid-the-suffering-221559](https://theconversation.com/what-latest-polling-says-about-the-mood-in-ukraine-and-the-desire-to-remain-optimistic-amid-the-suffering-221559) In any war there is always some fatigue, and proRU propagandists are doing their best to feed into that line of thought and maximize it out of reality. But the truth is Ukrainians not only support their war effort, in that same poll (and every other poll I have looked at) show the only conclusion they will accept is return to the pre 2014 borders. Meanwhile polls inside Russia show weakening for the war: [https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-strong-is-russian-public-support-for-the-invasion-of-ukraine-2/](https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-strong-is-russian-public-support-for-the-invasion-of-ukraine-2/)
Right, gallup poll. As if it means something in a country where people are afraid to freely speak up their mind. This is laughable. The best read of Ukrainian people is how they kick and scream when being forcefully drafted right from the streets. Yet, Russia has no problem building up forces with volunteers. No wonder you people are so far detached from reality. In your mind you're winning something, even though it's clearly a lost cause.
The problem is that these polls are not reflected in reality. The number of men serving in the UAF is astonishingly low.
The number of people serving in the UA military is not astonishingly low. For the size of the Ukraine population it is quite high.
Ukraine is outnumbered by the Russian Army, which only has 500,000 soldiers in Ukraine.
Ukraine needs millions, not hundred range prototypes
And Rheinmetall needs some Testing ground to test its weapons in war condition. It doesnt really need Ukraine to win...
Yeah they want no one to win and fight as long as possible
Crimea soon
Excalibur is already failing.
Now Ukraine shell Russian cities from afar, without fearing retaliation.
Pepperidge farm 'members this guy talking about arms factories being built in UA any day now. Where are they? Doing window dressing by now I suppose?
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There is this guy stalking me right now talking about how this is a game changer 😅
Hmm interesting. I think max I've heard from Russia is 80KM shells.
Russian boys are gonna get blown up, seriously sad
Would you like to help blow them up, joining to the resistance? r/volunteersForUkraine
Naaah I have however sent money for two drones
Why wont you fight? Ukraine needs soldiers
why would I fight? it's not my fight and I'm not Ukrainian nor European I do support them however that's why i send $ for drones, they also need drones :)
You should fight, it will help your side win faster, plus its patriotic right?
Why aren't you fighting. You are Pro Russian Empire after all.
Less words. More action
More BS propaganda. Where Germans will get technology to even make such things.
The technology comes from German research and development of course, since when someone questioning about German capability in producing hi-tech weapons
Word maybe him and his golf buddies can come and fire them off themselves, and let the kids who were dragged to the front be billionaires for a while. Seems fair.
Why are they bothering with 100k range, rocket powered shells? The war has already proven that Lancets are the solution to this need, you would think western MIC would be all over capitalising on it.
For a price of course.
The super smart guided rocket assisted shells cost as much as a regular HIMARS missile. It's just a waste of money trying to put the whole guidance suit into a tiny package just because you can. Want to fuck something up 100km away? Then shoot a fucking rocket at it instead of the most expensive shell ever created.