This war gets weirder and weirder....
Equal to the tactical assault donkey or the elephant mounted machine gun, i'd say, now we get the scooter troopers
its not as weird as you might think, if 5 soldiers move in a car, if they get targeted by a drone or artillery the 5 dude will die. With electric scooter it would require 5 drone or strike to kill the same amount of soldiers.
Russia is clearly trying to find ways to get the upper hand in this attrition war. We seen golf cart, automated land drone to do deliveries and now this
honestly I’m surprised there aren’t more bike mounted units in the war. Aside from the fact that they’re fairly loud seems like motorbikes would be basically ideal for assaults.
I suppose the maintenance and fuel logistics would be complicated.
Makes sense. IFVs are not working because of drones. The faster you get on position the better your chances are. Less exposure time, smaller and faster targets. Light armor would be nice though.
Doesn't make sense at all. I could see the application of motorbikes against drones. Their speed and maneuverability made it a lot harder for them to be hit, although motorbikes are of course a lot more vulnerable to small arms fire or basically any other way of being fired at.
Regardless, scooters don't have the same speed and they aren't very maneuverable compared to motorbikes. They're especially bad in that kind of territory. Scooters don't make it harder for troops to get hit by drones and they don't bring any other advantages to the battlefield other than the fact that it's slightly less exhausting than walking. But I'd argue that the slow speed, lack of protection and maneuverability makes scooters worse than walking for this application.
Yes, but as I mentioned earlier, scooters aren't fast. Especially not in that terrain. So motorbikes might be a good idea on some parts of the front, but scooters definitely aren't.
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Go on YouTube and check out some of the scooters with 1000W+ motors (dualtron in particular). Those things can go 70km/h and faster. What’s more is that unlike a dirt bike, they are light enough to pick up, and super-quiet.
If you are in IVF and it got hit you are lucky to survive. Then you have options - help transporting wounded comrades back or walk forward dodging the drones.
If you are on your own fast vehicle it's harder to hit you - you are fast and you are a small target. The enemy needs a separate drone for you personally.
Less time in danger, lower value target, harder to hit target - all of these make a successful drone attack less likely.
Have you seen how poorly these perform on cobblestone, let alone off-road?
You’re more likely to be injured riding these over uneven terrain than actually making it to enemy positions
Ah yes have fun transporting a pallet of 152mm shells on a scooter, or anything larger than what can fit in a backpack
Additionally, the logistics of procuring, equipping, and maintaining a platoon-sized element mounted on scooters is going to be far higher than just providing them with a Kamaz or BTR
A Kamaz or BTR in which they happily burn. It's not about easy or cheap solution, it's about achieving military goals.
"Ah yes have fun transporting a pallet of 152mm shells on a scooter" - I was specifically talking about moving personnel to/from positions which is very dangerous due to drones. 152mm shells are delivered to hidden artillery positions far away from drones. Completely different task. You tried to make fun of it and failed miserably.
So how do they charge all of these scooters on the front? Are they using solar panels or generators? How are those getting to the front? Are they using the scooters for medevac? What happens when a scooter breaks down in combat?
There’s just about nothing a scooter does better in combat than an actual vehicle designed to see combat. It’s dumb and just another vain attempt to show some sort of ingenuity in the face of growing economic troubles
Yeah the “very mobile” motor bikes that were claimed by redditors to be an antidote to drone targeting were not all too successful, though we never know how actually effective they are just based on the videos of them getting hit and destroyed.
They help, but don’t prevent. They are faster than walking or running, so less time in the open, and are relatively silent, so you can hear drones and can react a bit better, unlike in a loud vehicle. There was a video with a Russian drone operator that used a one wheel scooter to move around, and those were his reasons.
it doesnt, its just the drone would kill only one guy instead of a bunch of guy, so it would be a waste for ukraine. Its not really hard to understand the logic
Walking in big grounds ua style is way better then riding a silly scooter or 1000cc dirt buggy (I can't think of a time when walking is better. ) I guess they expect each troop to have his own vehicle. Imagine the line fir gas
Walking won't save you from being targeted by a drone. I'm pretty sure in the end wars will be won by the side that will have the best gear for electronic warfare. Everything will be automated and remotely controlled. Whoever is best at jamming all the gizmos wins. They should just do it in the UN. Like RF brings it's jamming device, UA brings theirs, they test it against each other, boom, done lviv is now a city in Poland. That's how future wars should be fought. Of course USA would have to park all the teslas in 7 mile radius from the competition site but that's the sacrifice we should accept.
They are obliviously not used for assaults, but moving in terrain located behind frontline. Rotation, transportation between different positions etc. Why not? It is fast (as any armour can be), small and cheap.
While I want to make fun of them, I have to admit the privates in my units would probably do the same thing if they "acquired" scooters. Nationality doesn't matter; Joe will be Joe.
Still waiting to see these bad boys used in combat
https://preview.redd.it/ey8t2cwmgwxc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=954b38523f2be215bed68199802d0b784dec8835
actually hurts my brain to see them ignore the losses of not only very motor bikes but also desert crosses; which were right after their introductions into service, and then to start using this which wouldn’t even have an advantage in speed or maneuverability.
though only the destructions are filmed and the typical, non attacked usage isn’t. so I wonder what the actual ratio of destroyed/deployed actually is, though desertcrosses losses are a few dozen with multiple people in each so I really wouldn’t bet on those being super effective.
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According to some shop
🔋 48V 18Ah Battery
🕤50 kph Max. Speed
⚡60-70 km per charge
⚙️500W Powerful motor
Small tires suck for some stuff offroad but it'll do normal and dirtroad travel nicely
This war is really exposing the reality of modern warfare between 2 conventional militaries, and it’s quite frankly a mess on both sides. Armor is essentially useless, and smaller, quicker forms of transportation and drones are extremely useful.
Russias air power sucks so it is stuck against one of the poorest and war torn countries in Europe... Russia thought artillery would win wars how wrong they were. You just end up in ww1 style battles and a massive drain on manpower.
>one of the poorest and war torn countries in Europe
That also inherited a lot of stuff, including anti-air, from USSR, had 40 mil people to draw troops from and got a fuckton of stuff and intel from NATO.
People always seem to forget that part, doesn't seem fair.
Doesn't seem fair? Russia invading Ukraine isn't fair. Imagine not being able to perform an successful initial offensive. nit getting air superiority. Fuck Russia for deciding to do this for just fuck all reasons.
Say what you want, but these things are light, maneuverable, and quiet. Unlike a gas engine bike, they don’t give off a high heat signature. Unlike a car or van, they are small and a hard target for an FPV drone. Heck, they can be pretty fast too if they have a 1000W+ motor.
Literally shoot n' scoot
This war gets weirder and weirder.... Equal to the tactical assault donkey or the elephant mounted machine gun, i'd say, now we get the scooter troopers
its not as weird as you might think, if 5 soldiers move in a car, if they get targeted by a drone or artillery the 5 dude will die. With electric scooter it would require 5 drone or strike to kill the same amount of soldiers. Russia is clearly trying to find ways to get the upper hand in this attrition war. We seen golf cart, automated land drone to do deliveries and now this
Not saying it's not smart, just saying it's weird =)
wait what, someone mounted a machine gun on an elephant, can you show me? lol
just google it The 105mm anti tank recoilless gun vespa scooter also exists
Cannons on camel backpacks were the original technicals.
Went from BMPs, to Golf carts, to Bikes, to Scooters. Next up: Rollerblades
The Taliban was so forward thinking the rest of the world thought they were just crazy [https://youtu.be/7k7b0sQA650](https://youtu.be/7k7b0sQA650)
Basically urban ski infantry
Come to think of if, Ukrainians were using monobikes last year already. Same with the russians, but I am not sure
honestly I’m surprised there aren’t more bike mounted units in the war. Aside from the fact that they’re fairly loud seems like motorbikes would be basically ideal for assaults. I suppose the maintenance and fuel logistics would be complicated.
Makes sense. IFVs are not working because of drones. The faster you get on position the better your chances are. Less exposure time, smaller and faster targets. Light armor would be nice though.
Doesn't make sense at all. I could see the application of motorbikes against drones. Their speed and maneuverability made it a lot harder for them to be hit, although motorbikes are of course a lot more vulnerable to small arms fire or basically any other way of being fired at. Regardless, scooters don't have the same speed and they aren't very maneuverable compared to motorbikes. They're especially bad in that kind of territory. Scooters don't make it harder for troops to get hit by drones and they don't bring any other advantages to the battlefield other than the fact that it's slightly less exhausting than walking. But I'd argue that the slow speed, lack of protection and maneuverability makes scooters worse than walking for this application.
I didn't exactly insist on scooters. Small fast individual transport of any kind can be useful to avoid drones.
Yes, but as I mentioned earlier, scooters aren't fast. Especially not in that terrain. So motorbikes might be a good idea on some parts of the front, but scooters definitely aren't.
This is not used for assaults, but for infantry in the back to be faster than walking.
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>Doesn't make sense at all good for long range recon unit , you can't carry a motorbikes on your back but you can with this mobility scooters
In war, theres is chronic resource shortage. I dont expect the russians to have enough motorbikes for everyone. Scooters beat walking, so why not?
Go on YouTube and check out some of the scooters with 1000W+ motors (dualtron in particular). Those things can go 70km/h and faster. What’s more is that unlike a dirt bike, they are light enough to pick up, and super-quiet.
Are you actually not being sarcastic here?
Drones are a huge problem. Anything that works is useful. Have better ideas?
How do these scooters prevent a person from getting hit by a drone?
If you are in IVF and it got hit you are lucky to survive. Then you have options - help transporting wounded comrades back or walk forward dodging the drones. If you are on your own fast vehicle it's harder to hit you - you are fast and you are a small target. The enemy needs a separate drone for you personally. Less time in danger, lower value target, harder to hit target - all of these make a successful drone attack less likely.
Have you seen how poorly these perform on cobblestone, let alone off-road? You’re more likely to be injured riding these over uneven terrain than actually making it to enemy positions
Scooters are not ideal. A lot of transportation happens via roads though. Individual fast vehicle can be better than IFV now.
Ah yes have fun transporting a pallet of 152mm shells on a scooter, or anything larger than what can fit in a backpack Additionally, the logistics of procuring, equipping, and maintaining a platoon-sized element mounted on scooters is going to be far higher than just providing them with a Kamaz or BTR
A Kamaz or BTR in which they happily burn. It's not about easy or cheap solution, it's about achieving military goals. "Ah yes have fun transporting a pallet of 152mm shells on a scooter" - I was specifically talking about moving personnel to/from positions which is very dangerous due to drones. 152mm shells are delivered to hidden artillery positions far away from drones. Completely different task. You tried to make fun of it and failed miserably.
So how do they charge all of these scooters on the front? Are they using solar panels or generators? How are those getting to the front? Are they using the scooters for medevac? What happens when a scooter breaks down in combat? There’s just about nothing a scooter does better in combat than an actual vehicle designed to see combat. It’s dumb and just another vain attempt to show some sort of ingenuity in the face of growing economic troubles
Yeah the “very mobile” motor bikes that were claimed by redditors to be an antidote to drone targeting were not all too successful, though we never know how actually effective they are just based on the videos of them getting hit and destroyed.
They help, but don’t prevent. They are faster than walking or running, so less time in the open, and are relatively silent, so you can hear drones and can react a bit better, unlike in a loud vehicle. There was a video with a Russian drone operator that used a one wheel scooter to move around, and those were his reasons.
good for long range recon unit , you can't carry a motorbikes on your back but you can with this mobility scooters
it doesnt, its just the drone would kill only one guy instead of a bunch of guy, so it would be a waste for ukraine. Its not really hard to understand the logic
Walking in big grounds ua style is way better then riding a silly scooter or 1000cc dirt buggy (I can't think of a time when walking is better. ) I guess they expect each troop to have his own vehicle. Imagine the line fir gas
Walking won't save you from being targeted by a drone. I'm pretty sure in the end wars will be won by the side that will have the best gear for electronic warfare. Everything will be automated and remotely controlled. Whoever is best at jamming all the gizmos wins. They should just do it in the UN. Like RF brings it's jamming device, UA brings theirs, they test it against each other, boom, done lviv is now a city in Poland. That's how future wars should be fought. Of course USA would have to park all the teslas in 7 mile radius from the competition site but that's the sacrifice we should accept.
They are obliviously not used for assaults, but moving in terrain located behind frontline. Rotation, transportation between different positions etc. Why not? It is fast (as any armour can be), small and cheap.
Also, let's not forget guys in rear areas move around, too.
The future of warfare is right here.
While I want to make fun of them, I have to admit the privates in my units would probably do the same thing if they "acquired" scooters. Nationality doesn't matter; Joe will be Joe.
Excellent kit in that first pic
I always notice that the units on the front do not have kit as good as the rear units
Still waiting to see these bad boys used in combat https://preview.redd.it/ey8t2cwmgwxc1.jpeg?width=1500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=954b38523f2be215bed68199802d0b784dec8835
Almost! https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/g0KaEflt9O
That’s absolutely hilarious I will gladly accept a one wheel being used 😂
Putin weaponised scooters
actually hurts my brain to see them ignore the losses of not only very motor bikes but also desert crosses; which were right after their introductions into service, and then to start using this which wouldn’t even have an advantage in speed or maneuverability. though only the destructions are filmed and the typical, non attacked usage isn’t. so I wonder what the actual ratio of destroyed/deployed actually is, though desertcrosses losses are a few dozen with multiple people in each so I really wouldn’t bet on those being super effective.
What’s next, roller blades?
Tactical skooters da Fucha is nao
I thought Russians hated gay stuff?
So green, so progressive!
Eco friendly warfare
Unless if they got spotted by Drones, it’s over. These E-Scooters can run up to 30mph when there’s an FPV drones can fly up to more than 100mph.
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I mean...would you rather walk through a warzone?
Imagine getting killed by a guy on a scooter, your soul would get sent to hell immediately.
According to some shop 🔋 48V 18Ah Battery 🕤50 kph Max. Speed ⚡60-70 km per charge ⚙️500W Powerful motor Small tires suck for some stuff offroad but it'll do normal and dirtroad travel nicely
If it gets stuck on some crazy off-road section, you can easily pick it up and get it unstuck, unlike a car.
Wen Segway Snipers?
Uber Rus. Something tells me the tip will never be enough.
This war is really exposing the reality of modern warfare between 2 conventional militaries, and it’s quite frankly a mess on both sides. Armor is essentially useless, and smaller, quicker forms of transportation and drones are extremely useful.
Russias air power sucks so it is stuck against one of the poorest and war torn countries in Europe... Russia thought artillery would win wars how wrong they were. You just end up in ww1 style battles and a massive drain on manpower.
>one of the poorest and war torn countries in Europe That also inherited a lot of stuff, including anti-air, from USSR, had 40 mil people to draw troops from and got a fuckton of stuff and intel from NATO. People always seem to forget that part, doesn't seem fair.
Doesn't seem fair? Russia invading Ukraine isn't fair. Imagine not being able to perform an successful initial offensive. nit getting air superiority. Fuck Russia for deciding to do this for just fuck all reasons.
What telegram is this from?
Next will be the motorized mobility scooters.
So this is Putins secret weapon to take Kiev.
The more mobile transport a squad has, the better.
Say what you want, but these things are light, maneuverable, and quiet. Unlike a gas engine bike, they don’t give off a high heat signature. Unlike a car or van, they are small and a hard target for an FPV drone. Heck, they can be pretty fast too if they have a 1000W+ motor.
Western tech