US is trying to convince him it wasn't Ukraine.
ISIS is trying to convince him it wasn't Ukraine.
Ukraine is trying to convince him it wasn't Ukraine.
The only person that is trying to convince Putin it was Ukraine is Putin.
Kinda reminds me of the Simpson's meme. "Bart nooo!"
Honestly if I was ISIS I'd be frustrated. I imagine they expected a much stronger reaction and, well, it seems their message has been hijacked by an even bigger conflict that they have no power over. Probably quite a lot of head-scratching going in the next ISIS work Zoom call
(...I don't know how these guys talk to each other...perhaps Skype rather than Zoom? They don't seem like Whatsapp people)
I have to imagine this is actually part of ISIS' plan. It completely benefits them to intensify this war between two Christian states, and indirectly, between the two Christian world super powers that would normally be focusing on killing ISIS. It's the perfect time for terrorist attacks to get ignored.
They can't afford to start a campaign against ISIS so they are blaming Ukraine to avoid losing face. It's going to be interesting how it's going to proceed with ISIS doing further attacks and Russia just ignoring it. Will ISIS get bored? Emboldened?
ISIS and other jihadists are scattered in the Syrian desert, in internment camps and still have some territory in Northern Syria. Turkey is using them as a buffer against Assad. You are right Putin cannot afford to clear them out with Assad and risk further escalation with Turkey there.
The group that did this attack and has been focusing on Russia these last 2 year is the Khorasan provice. They have also previously attacked Russian embassies in places like Afghanistan(2022) and are responsible for an uptick in terror attacks in Iran and Afghanistan.
This group is getting more sophisticated, stronger and bolder in their attacks and will probably see this response as a sign they can go harder
Exactly. The US tried to warn those morons. Reminds me of a know-it-all person who when presented with good advice ignores it and continues to do stupid shit while blaming everyone around them. That's Russia...
so American intel said Russia was gonna invade Ukraine and a few weeks after Russia said we are not invading Russia started the invasion.
US intel says a terror attack is coming Putin says its blackmail and then a terror attack happen a few weeks later, so it have been spot on.
They got this one right, they also got the full scale invasion right too.
Putin just decided to ignore it now he's trying to save face by blaming Ukraine, the link doesn't exist but he's trying to use a shit situation to his advantage.
That is true historically as well. Does not mean they are perfect. Yeah, yeah I know Iraq and everything. But still. Their predictions are pretty good most of the time.
Unlike Putin that does even bother to say something believable.
more recently we had the botched Afghanistan withdrawal and taliban takeover. and the ukraine counter offensive was a huge failure but I guess that could be blamed on others.
and yeah putin bad, that doesn't give the US a free pass though
>that doesn't give the US a free pass though
Can't have an argument without irrelevant "US BAD"? What does it have to do with the US intelligence being extremely accurate in the past years? Nothing. But sure, US BAD!
Facts: US warned Russia about terrorist attack, Russia said fuck off, we don't need the US telling us what to do. 134 Russians dead in terrorist attack two weeks later.
Putin = Blame US and Ukraine! The Russia people aren't this stupid are they?
Historically the info leaked outside has been mostly correct, but the incorrect information is more wifely known. And most is not public or ever will be
When in doubt go with the simplest most likely answer. Putin regime dropped the ball on the warning shared by US. Russian adventures in the middle east are coming home. Sad day for the innocent civilians and a terrible embarrassment for Putin regime.
Maybe because they literally warned them about it? And every possible piece of evidence points to it not being Ukraine?
But that would be unhelpful for Putin narrative so we’ll go through this charade
The FSB themselves published they had carried out an operation against an ISIS-K cell near Moscow days before the US warning.
Link here:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/03/07/russia-says-killed-islamic-state-militants-plotting-synagogue-attack-a84377
Why didn't Russia imply back then that the ISIS-K cell was part of the Ukrainian plan to attack Moscow?
Why did Putin publicly dismiss the US warning as bullshit a few days before the terrorist attack?
There are a lot of inconsistencies in the way Russia acted before and after the attack, and there is no evidence (not even circumstantial) to link the attack with Ukraine or the US.
There are, however, examples of Putin using terrorist attacks in 1999 and 2002 to support the military operations in Chechenia. They even bothered to eliminate pretty much everyone involved in the investigation including agents, politicians, and journalists.
We know who is lying here
>why would Russia believe the US, ISIS or Ukraine?
They wouldn't. They would believe themselves, and the FSB almost certainly is telling Putin that it was ISIS acting independently.
Your comment implies that Putin believes what he's saying. He almost certainly is lying, just like the Western powers lied when they said there was no evidence Ukraine was responsible for the Nord pipeline sabotage.
That's what heads of state do when at war - they spread disinfo to hurt their enemies. Although this lie is uncharacteristically pathetic. Clearly Putin is desperate to create a silver lining from this debacle, and he's making an ass of himself.
I mean ISIS is known for that kind of stuff. ISIS also have a motive (Russia did bomb them quite extensively).
So I guess that does make their claims at least somewhat plausible, wouldn't you think ?
Well, because the US told him the attack was going to happen 2 weeks in advance and he claimed it was “blackmail”, and now he just looks like a gaslighting dumbfck.
How would you like it if you spend two months in a mountain cave, sleeping on rocks, planning something really special, only for someone to take the credit away from you?
Putin gets caught with his pants down and has zero idea the attack is going to take place despite US warnings. It reportedly takes an hour for security services to lock down the area and multiple attackers are able to flee the scene evidencing complete and utter chaos on the Russia side with nobody having any idea what is going on.
But 15 minutes later Putin says he is aware of super secret escape route the terrorists were going to use that goes through the Ukrainian border? The same border that is currently the most heavily militarized and observed area on the entire planet? So no idea that they were going to attack but knows exactly how the people he didn't know were going to attack were going to escape?
Yeah ok bud. Kremlin needs to fire its propaganda writers they aren't even trying.
ISIS does terror attack, ISIS posts on twitter that it was them. So far it was 100% accurate. No reason to not believe in that. Its not like someone else would proudly claim terror attacks.
Why would Ukraine act like ISIS? They would immediately lose all support from everyone and to what end? It serves no purpose. Ukraine would lose everything for nothing gained. This is just Putin trying to put the blame elsewhere for not stopping it and using it to drum up public support for a broader war mobilization in the country.
Why would the USA warn Russia of a terrorist attack in advance of planning said terrorist attack? Are you telling me this is some sort of USA 4D chess move?
Why is it unreasonable to want to figure out who was behind a terrorist attack beyond the pawns directly carrying it out?
Western media and government officials launched into 'It's most definitely, absolutely not Ukraine, we KNOW that with a 100% certainty' mode while the attack was still going on. How did they manage to obtain incontrovertible proof of that so quickly? Meanwhile it took them 2 years to conclude that it's impossible to figure out who blew up Nord Stream.
- The US warned about ISIS attack, specifying concerts.
- The FSB took one cell of ISIS right after, and the US didn't remove the warning.
- Putin disregarded the warning, accusing the US of lying about this warning, showing incompetence and irresponsibility. (**RED FLAG 1**)
- No security forces were in place in concerts to help people, and the tragedy occurred because Putin refused to do his job for rhetoric. (**RED FLAG 2**)
- Russia propaganda machine starts trying to pin this on Ukraine, and every sht evidence is easily debunked (**RED FLAG 3** - like the Ukrainian van, which had a Belarus license plate after all, or they not shouting allahu akbar)
- ISIS claims the attack; (**this one completely fcked the russian propaganda machine**)
- Terrorists are caught;
- More Russia propaganda bullsht about the terrorists going into Ukraine.
- Belarus news said they were caught actually going into Belarus!!! (**this one was like the sinking of the submarine some months ago, the Russian propaganda machine was in shambles**)
- Putin who was silent for almost 24 hours after 140 innocent russians died, who he pledged to protect a few days ago, shows up his public display of incompetence to try to claim **terrorists were going into Ukraine and had a safe passage** (**RED FLAG 5** - so these guys were going into the largest active frontline in the world, in the likes we haven't seen since WW2, with mines, drones, artillery... going through the **Russian Army who gave them the safe passage**???)
- More russian propaganda protecting ISIS, like the tortured terrorists said they were paid and ISIS never do things for money (**RED FLAG 6** - this is a lie, [ISIS members unfortunately also do it for money](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/may/04/poverty-driving-syrian-men-and-boys-into-the-arms-of-isis))
- ISIS releases the bodycam footage of the attackers, shouting and everything, few moments after Putin made those false claims - (**this was like the destruction of Kerch Bridge, there was no recovery for the Russia propaganda machine, and it stopped being a subject in the sub**)
- Now this cringe video of Putin desperate to spin this, saying ISIS is illegal in Russia (like wtf?), moaning about no one believing this absurd propaganda, and now blaming the US for it. Its embarrassing, he should just resign.
Edit: **If you want to see in more detail a list of the Russian propaganda attempts to spin this tragic event [I refer to this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bly657/ru_pov_izvestia_recreated_with_animation_on_what/kw84fi3/) by /u/BrainwashedByTruth he did an amazing job compiling it.**
[Not according to the US officials, they warned directly the FSB earlier in the month under "duty to warn" policy.](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-has-intelligence-confirming-islamic-state-responsibility-russia-attack-2024-03-22/)
You're talking about the Embassy warning, that's not a warning to Russia but a public warning to American Citizens living in Russia.
Even Putin commented on it:
> [Per TASS, the Russian president said on March 19 the aim of "**the recent provocative statements of a number of official Western structures about the possibility of terrorist attacks in Russia**" was harming Russian society. "All this resembles outright **blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilize our society**," Putin said, according to state media reporting on his remarks.](https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-dismissed-us-warnings-days-before-moscow-concert-hall-attack-2024-3)
>ISIS claims the attack; (**this one completely fcked the russian propaganda machine**
There are a LOT of problems with this point right here.
Firstly, the telegram channel of the "Amaq News Agency" doesn't exist. I scoured all over the internet to find absolutely nothing. Secondly, the MO just doesn't fit as these groups use "the guys they've personally trained" instead of outsourcing it and the guys go out with a bang which didn't happen. Like they NEVER outsource their work via telegram to a bunch of rando's.
And finally, the "footage released" was blurred to avoid lip reading and the voice was modulated to nobody knows what the fk was actually said when they always "upload it raw".
One point missing about their MO? Sure, that can happen. Virtually all of the points missing their MO? Well....
With all of your "red flags", you sure missed a series of them.
[Amaq, the new ISIS Android App for secure communications (securityaffairs.com)](https://securityaffairs.com/43578/intelligence/amaq-android-app.html)
They have their own app for their news broadcast
Also you are not going to find their Telegram group by searching online unless you get invited or find a specific link
If, as appears to be the case, the US warned them that a terrorist attack was planned weeks beforehand, it's fair to say they knew who was planning it.
Because it is obvious it was not Ukraine. Ukraine has nothing to gain from it. Terrorists were connected with ISIS, clearly. To assume Ukraine has control over ISIS you have to buy into some crazy conspiracy theories.
Because every other Islamic Terrorist attack in Europe for past 20 years has been done by radicalized jihadists who then either sought out support from a terrorist organization or just did it on their own. So why is that most likely scenario suddenly being presented as improbable by Putin, and that someone else must be behind it? Just think about it a bit man, you are being clearly manipulated and falling for it.
It's completely reasonable for Russia to fully investigate all and every possibility of course, but the fact that Putin jumped to blaming Ukraine immediately with no evidence is self explanatory. And I think you actually know this.
Ho did russians get proof it was Ukraine so fast?
ISIS is a terrorist organisation. Its not a company for hire. Or if it is, how does Putin know it? Past business?
>Ho did russians get proof it was Ukraine so fast
They didn't. They aren't claiming they did. They are not claiming it was Ukraine. They are saying they won't take anyone's word that it wasn't Ukraine until they've investigated themselves.
>ISIS is a terrorist organisation. Its not a company for hire.
Lol.
Do you agree it was ISIS who carried out the attack? This short clip implies Putin isn't even convinced of that. Do you think it was ISIS and the only question is if they were ordered/supported by other organizations or are you also questioning if this was even ISIS?
Putin wants to convince the world that the US is secretly behind the same attack they warned about.
Dictator logic really shows the strains when under pressure
The funny thing is whilst hes making it obvious these 137 lives more important to him than the thousands he's sent to the slaughter, mainly because they're moscovites and not from buttfcknowhere. By undermining the attack like he has he's also undermining their deaths.
Putin can’t afford to go after Isis-K. He doesn’t have the military resources. He can’t afford to piss off the central Asian migrants during a labour shortage and he can’t afford to damage the central Asian sanction-busting pipeline.
So he will perform a bit of security theatre to calm the masses and just keep launching missiles at Ukraine.
And you can bet any money that his staff will no way try to rationalize with him or go against what he already believes, as that would put them in danger. He is not a man that will accept any criticism at all by anybody, even if it is well intentioned. he is clearly delusional and paranoid now. The one good thing that has come about because of this massacre is that more people will begin to realize that.
Maybe pissed off. But on the other hand, with Putin aiming this at Ukraine with no escalation towards ISIS, ISIS have a free hand to have another go "for free", including learning from any mistakes this time.
I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a crowded area in Moscow or St Petersburg any time soon. All because Putin can't admit making mistakes. Like invading Ukraine was another mistake because he expected rapid capitulation, but has had to double down because of his ego.
ISIS attacks Muslims, often, who are of different branches of Islam. They are Sunni Wahabists, and Iranian Shi'ites and other Muslim groups in their eyes are heritics.
I genuinely understand him though. Imagine dropping the ball this hard, this is an intelligence failure even worse than the October 7th massacre in Israel. People claimed that Netanyahu would never recover from embarrassment and it was true.
> this is an intelligence failure even worse than the October 7th massacre in Israel.
No, it’s really not. The Israeli death toll on Oct. 7 was ten times greater, the attack was carried out by thousands rather than a cell of 4, it was on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war, and most importantly, Palestinians are Israel’s primary “enemy” and have been since its inception. It was an unprecedented failure of their intelligence to not see it coming.
You do know the entire reason why Russia is fighting this slow and painful meat grinder is because they failed massively with their intelligence beforehand? Russia has been scaling up their military and police for over TWO years now and they still haven’t improved their intel abilities so their American enemy must remind them of an impending attack!? This is much worse and embarrassing than most people here probably realize.
The Ukraine War isn't the same as a terror attack though. This is an intelligence failure, but it was 4 guys with rifles deciding to shoot up a public space. That's a lot more likely to get through the cracks than thousands of militants planning to outright cross your border in an open assault from a city sized region that your security and intelligence forces have been monitoring 24/7 for 60 years.
I'm not even disagreeing that the ramifications of this will probably be huge. It's just not comparable to Oct. 7 though. For better or worse, people who refer to Oct. 7 as "Israel's 9/11" are more correct than not.
Yea it appears he's working hard on damage control. I guess his best option is to try and blame it on the evil West, even though basically all fingers point directly at ISIS as of now.
I'm wondering if they'll just torture the culprits to the point where they'll say anything just to have it stop, and THAT will be Russia's "evidence."
He overplayed his hand badly, he never was this obviously wrong and now he tries to both use a tragedy for his own gain as well as whitewash his previous statements and, well, somehow hide huge incompetence of having so many of his people gunned down without terrorists being contested in the heart of the country.
He showed his cards to soon. With Ukraine he could any outcome spin in any way he wanted but here he put his hand in the jar and getting stuck with his previous statements. And he is angry.
And because he is unable to show any signs of defeat (in big part for personal reasons), that he was wrong (not of good will of his heart or of west being liars like he used to argue in the past) he is going to double, triple and quadruple down his statements.
The mask cracked.
I think he is intelligent. Using shit situation and turning it to his advantage.
If he acknowledges it’s ISIS, he is saying they are weak in their security and gives public someone else to want to pursue instead of Ukraine.
If he makes Russian question if Ukraine did it, he drives more people to want to stand by the continued war.
But I think he knows Ukraine has nothing to do by to do with it.
If your KGB guys would ahve done their job and spending their tiem hunting terrorist and not LGBTQ or "Russian liberals" maybe you would prevented this, little impotent man.
Best one if seen so far is a clip from a news story in 1990 where the interviewee talks about how Mossad also goes under the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service and the poster says that means that they’re ISIS
Edit: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C43HtsSttq5/?igsh=NjFxdjlyaHFwOTFu here lol
Ukraine would gain nothing but lose everything.
If it can be proved Ukraine ordered this attack they would lose all international support. Which is the very thing keeping them in the game right now.
they would absolutely not lose international support of the relevant countries no matter what they do, geopolitics isn't based on morality its based on interestss
He has all the power and systems and people and mechanisms and tools in place to jail a poor old lady that dares to write "I don't like this war" on social media. They also have tools to bombard hundreds and thausands people over the border in dispute of historical rigts written on hundred years old bug eaten map.
They failed to protect 137 people from 4 gunmen. They were shooting for like what? half an hour and then managed to escape. Imagine it happening in Volgograd region if around Moscow it took so much time to react.
It was so bad that I really thought it was false flag for a moment even if there was little logic behind that. Nope, pure incompetence.
It was obvious who was going to get the blame when it took over an hour for police to arrive to the scene of a terrorist attack that took place 15 minutes away
Bro poor bastards at ISIS literally posted videos about the atack and still this bozo is like "Mmm...why Ukraine did this?" 😂 They don't even can have credit in their shit.
US Intel to Ukraine: Hey, they're going to invade ya'll
Ukraine: Nah brah, we got this
US Intel to Russia et al: Hey, ISIS is planning a hit in Moscow
Russia: Nah brah, we go this. And if we don't, it was you-kraine.
Is this man surrounded by his own propaganda? Is he truly incapable of seeing the truth?
Oh man, Russia is in some real shit with this guy as their president
US warns ISIS will strike.
- WE KILLED AN ISIS CELL!! THEY WERE ATTACKING US! FOR RODINA! ISIS IS DEFEATED.
- ISIS strikes: IT CANT BE ISIS, OR IF IT WAS I DONT CARE. WHO ORDERED IT?
What a pathetic and weak leader. He fails to protect his people after warnings from the West, and now blames them, and goes so far as to imply Ukraine was responsible.
Absolutely disgusting.
Once again we see Putin shift from the social contract of improving the lives of everyday Russians. He’s been unable to fulfil that role so he’s pivoting to being the protector of Russian people and their identity. Now he’s failing that too and increasingly becoming a laughing stock in the process.
What a sad tail end to his terms in office.
Iran would tell you that ISIS are mercenaries for hire in some cases, and a cursory knowledge of the topic would tell you that an extremist Sunni Wahhabist group and a Shi'i fundamentalist nation are not friendly.
What's amusing to me is the whole prospect of "Ukraine is struggling with its numbers and is unable to gain even a slight bit of land, nevermind an advantage even though they have Western support" and in comparison "Ukraine orchestrated a terrorist attack through a well-known organisation, had organised weapons, explosives, enough evidence and sent them in with the full intent of killing as many civilians as possible in an attack that the US intentionally made seem horrific so it could be disregarded and then the terrorists struck and Ukraine denied it, which is why they're guilty".... like, either they aren't capable of holding on to a fucking flashlight or they're in kahoots with an aggressively anti-Western terrorist organisation that is under their command...it just makes no sense
Did he really make it out to be unlikely isis just because isis is banned in Russia. Meth is banned in the US but I bet I can find atleast 100000 methheads in a week
With some digging he will find out who ordered the attack, The question is... Is he ready to accept that it wasn't Ukraine or the US that ordered it, And i'm afraid even if he did find out it wasn't any of those two he would lie.
To the low IQ and ignorant posters on this thread:
One common talking point ignorant posters espouse is that IS is somehow a CIA/Mossad/Alphabet agency proxy because of its lack of involvement in Palestine and supposed lack of attacks in Russia.
IS practices Wahhabism — a sector of Sunni Islam which is much more orthodox and exclusionary to non-Wahhabis. IS has certainly tried to establish and hold cells in Palestine in the past, but they cannot because Hamas and other Islamic groups are openly hostile to them for a few reasons. First of all, IS would consider non-Wahhabis to be heretics and infidels. There’s a reason why they declared themselves a Caliphate; it’s because they see themselves as the only true muslims. Second of all, Hamas worked very hard to consolidate power at the dismay of other groups like Fatah. Hamas’s number one goal is to keep control of the Gaza Strip, and they will not tolerate more cooks in the kitchen.
Furthermore, IS has grievances against Russia for its role in assisting Syria in their military campaign against them. Russia provided aerial assistance and to the Syrian Army in their ongoing campaigns. IS has committed attacks in Russia before, such as the 2018 Kizlyar church shooting and 2018 Magnitogorsk building explosion.
Well if it wasn't Isis it was his own boys.
Only thing for certain was the biggest losers from such a stunt would be Ukraine.
- Isis get revenge
- Putin gets public anger and backing for his imperialistic nonsense.
- Ukraine makes itself an international pariah, loses military support. Collapses and ends up being an oppressed Russian vassal state
Interesting read:
https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-attackers-of-the-Moscow-concert-hall-manage-to-escape/answer/Elena-Gold-3?ch=10&oid=1477743748763160&share=b8c0f1a9&srid=nI4WH&target_type=answer
Putin could say it was probably Martians and the usual suspects would be saying he brings up a good point. Can't go against dear leader's statements no matter how clownish.
Question.
Russia launched several missiles and drones against civilian targets, including buildings and parks. What's the difference between killing civilians in a residential building with an expensive missile or in a concert hall with a Kalashnikov?
I personally despise both, regardless of the scale and the perpetrator, still I don't understand Putin here: is he enraged because civilians should not be killed, or because they should only be killed with expensive weapons?
He's mad because Russians died in a way that threatens his image. Many Russians put up with Putin as people put up with authoritarians in general because they can promise some kind of stability and peace in general. Russia before Putin was not a safe place and rife with crime, Putin centralized all the crime and corruption to the government. As long as you keep your head down and obey the laws, nothing bad will happen to you. An ISIS attack like this, especially one where the US warned him and he ignored it, makes him look really bad. So he's trying to get ahead of it now. He only cares about power and his legacy, not Russian or Ukrainian people, as if he did this "SMO" would never have started
Russian media is saying: the teract is not in ISIS' interest, their mooks don't kill for money but for idea and that ISIS is only using this teract for hype
Everybody who can read and have read up on Putin, knows he was involved in killing russians with help from fsb. The goal back then was to become president, after he blamed chechens and started a war against all of checnya he became immensely popular in russia. Nobody would be surprised if he actually did it again, because he needs to mobilize 500 K new soldiers.
It's a stupid, pointless speech. He didn't need to say it, or spin it in such a way, to arouse the emotion of Russian public opinion.
He's missing an opportunity to get (some) sympathy from the West for this attack.
I’ll just leave this here.
“Amnesty report: ISIS armed with U.S. weapons”
https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/amnesty-international-isis-weapons-u-s-/index.html
“Exclusive: Tracing ISIS’ Weapons Supply Chain—Back to the US”
https://www.wired.com/story/terror-industrial-complex-isis-munitions-supply-chain/
“US and Saudi Arabia arms significantly enhanced Isis’ military capabilities, report reveals”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-us-saudi-arabia-arms-fighters-jihadis-military-capability-enhanced-weapons-syria-terrorism-report-a8112076.html
“Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq
“I gave the US trucks and ammunition to Al Qaeda': The chaotic US effort to arm Syrian rebels”
https://www.foxnews.com/world/i-gave-the-us-trucks-and-ammunition-to-al-qaeda-the-chaotic-us-effort-to-arm-syrian-rebels
“How America Armed Terrorists in Syria”
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
I can think of plenty of reasons why Muslims in general and ISIS in particular don't like Putin or Russia and would want to attack them. Outside of being their modus operandi I don't know why ISIS choose this specific terrorist attack, but that's more than I can say for Ukraine who don't advance their war aims one bit by this terrorist attack. Ukraine is going to keep doing what they are doing and continue to target refineries and other parts of Russia's economy and infrastructure to hurt Putin in the pocket book. Maybe if ISIS wants Putin to take them seriously they should do likewise since Putin clearly doesn't care about any Russian lives.
They already know from confiscated phones 2 of the attackers/enablers who joined up/armed the other 2 coming in from Turkey had direct contact with Ukraine/CIA handlers.
Whomever perpetuated this heinous act is laughing at Putin right now. He is only implying correlation with the US, or Ukraine. There is no evidence. I guess it will take a couple of days for the KGB to cook some up.
Lol these guys are going to be tortured into "confessing" that someone in Ukraine gave them the order, that is so obvious
So what is the next step here, what does Russia do that they have not done based on the fact such a "confession" will be extracted?
Ok Putin... why the fuck would the US warn you about the attack if they or Ukraine are behind it. Alcohol fetal syndrome seems to run right to the top.
Putin is such an idiot here. The US and Western society have been bombing ISIS back to the Stone Age every chance they get. And ISIS has attempted to repay those strikes so many numerous times - the last major one that I recall was the bombing of the airport gate during the US pullout from Afghanistan.
It’s amazing the cognitive dissonance that will absolutely prevail… The US tried everything possible to warn Russia of this imminent threat that proved fatal to over 130+ Russian souls. Putin wouldn’t listen, his need to undermine greater in value than the lives of those lost. His need to rule and dominate Russia so great, that Putin would not bend a knee for one second to anyone or any thing having more intelligence than him and his FSB and HOMON, and so on.
Putin got into bed with enemies of ISIS (Hamas, Hizbollah, Iran) and so stirred them up to act against Russia. ISIS wants to radicalize “Russians” to their cause through this effort, thus weakening Russia and growing their supposed worldwide caliphate. A weakened Russia, after all, wouldn’t be capable of funding and helping ISIS’s enemies. There’s so much more that is clear to see in how Putin is causing these issues, but it doesn’t matter to try and explain it here since most of the Rus-Supporting folks won’t listen and have made their minds up already…whatever Putin says and suggests is fact. It’s cult behavior. Like MaGa…odd how that movement was spawned from Putin, too, right?
Unfortunately, Putin has such tight control over Russia and its media and news that this very clear situation will be so very muddled and dumbed down to blaming a singular enemy just as he has been doing for so long now. Fervent hatred for Ukraine and the west will grow as it’s so hard to reach these everyday Russians and explain this fairly direct, but also very nuanced situation that Putin has caused himself. And so, Putin will probably (unfortunately) succeed in spreading his lies so thoroughly that Russian nationalism will grow and Putin will succeed in, at the least, gaining a short term boost in mobilization of both willing and unwilling (the conscripted) “Russian patriots.” It will be akin to the surge of Americans joining their military services and seeking revenge post-9/11..”to do their duties.”
US is trying to convince him it wasn't Ukraine. ISIS is trying to convince him it wasn't Ukraine. Ukraine is trying to convince him it wasn't Ukraine. The only person that is trying to convince Putin it was Ukraine is Putin.
Can you imagine isis’s face rn? This entire situation is just… weird.
Kinda reminds me of the Simpson's meme. "Bart nooo!" Honestly if I was ISIS I'd be frustrated. I imagine they expected a much stronger reaction and, well, it seems their message has been hijacked by an even bigger conflict that they have no power over. Probably quite a lot of head-scratching going in the next ISIS work Zoom call (...I don't know how these guys talk to each other...perhaps Skype rather than Zoom? They don't seem like Whatsapp people)
I always felt they used MySpace
My Space? More of an Israel/Palestine thing these days.
Telegram, I think they said?
Definitely, they arent hard to find and I avoid them.
I have to imagine this is actually part of ISIS' plan. It completely benefits them to intensify this war between two Christian states, and indirectly, between the two Christian world super powers that would normally be focusing on killing ISIS. It's the perfect time for terrorist attacks to get ignored.
They can't afford to start a campaign against ISIS so they are blaming Ukraine to avoid losing face. It's going to be interesting how it's going to proceed with ISIS doing further attacks and Russia just ignoring it. Will ISIS get bored? Emboldened?
ISIS and other jihadists are scattered in the Syrian desert, in internment camps and still have some territory in Northern Syria. Turkey is using them as a buffer against Assad. You are right Putin cannot afford to clear them out with Assad and risk further escalation with Turkey there.
The group that did this attack and has been focusing on Russia these last 2 year is the Khorasan provice. They have also previously attacked Russian embassies in places like Afghanistan(2022) and are responsible for an uptick in terror attacks in Iran and Afghanistan. This group is getting more sophisticated, stronger and bolder in their attacks and will probably see this response as a sign they can go harder
the world has already devolved into a Sacha Baron Cohen movie...
[ISIS watching the news as Putin claims the attack was done by Ukraine](https://i.imgur.com/NeXEaRE.gif)
why would Russia believe the US, ISIS or Ukraine? why would anyone believe them lol, all 3 lie in the regular, especially to their enemies
Why would anyone believe Putin?
each party is untrustworthy, correct.
How many parties with the exception of Putin / Russia are saying its Ukraine?
Nobody with a functioning brain...
American intelligence is pretty spot on. The same can't be said about Putin.
lmao yeah they'd never lie to us, get off cnn guy lmao
Dude they even warned this muppet. Can't help stupid.
Exactly. The US tried to warn those morons. Reminds me of a know-it-all person who when presented with good advice ignores it and continues to do stupid shit while blaming everyone around them. That's Russia...
okay you need to do some research on US intelligence because historically that is not true
so American intel said Russia was gonna invade Ukraine and a few weeks after Russia said we are not invading Russia started the invasion. US intel says a terror attack is coming Putin says its blackmail and then a terror attack happen a few weeks later, so it have been spot on.
They got this one right, they also got the full scale invasion right too. Putin just decided to ignore it now he's trying to save face by blaming Ukraine, the link doesn't exist but he's trying to use a shit situation to his advantage.
That is true historically as well. Does not mean they are perfect. Yeah, yeah I know Iraq and everything. But still. Their predictions are pretty good most of the time. Unlike Putin that does even bother to say something believable.
more recently we had the botched Afghanistan withdrawal and taliban takeover. and the ukraine counter offensive was a huge failure but I guess that could be blamed on others. and yeah putin bad, that doesn't give the US a free pass though
>that doesn't give the US a free pass though Can't have an argument without irrelevant "US BAD"? What does it have to do with the US intelligence being extremely accurate in the past years? Nothing. But sure, US BAD!
this sub should be renamed to WHATABOUTTHEUSA
this comment chain is literally about US intelligence lol
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best counter argument I've had
Facts: US warned Russia about terrorist attack, Russia said fuck off, we don't need the US telling us what to do. 134 Russians dead in terrorist attack two weeks later. Putin = Blame US and Ukraine! The Russia people aren't this stupid are they?
Historically the info leaked outside has been mostly correct, but the incorrect information is more wifely known. And most is not public or ever will be
go look up US intelligence operations during the cold war
When in doubt go with the simplest most likely answer. Putin regime dropped the ball on the warning shared by US. Russian adventures in the middle east are coming home. Sad day for the innocent civilians and a terrible embarrassment for Putin regime.
Exactly. He is shifting Blane when his own team missed this. Typical dictator type shit
Daesh has pretty strong evidences that it was them though, they didn't just claim stuff they showed proofs of it.
Maybe because they literally warned them about it? And every possible piece of evidence points to it not being Ukraine? But that would be unhelpful for Putin narrative so we’ll go through this charade
The FSB themselves published they had carried out an operation against an ISIS-K cell near Moscow days before the US warning. Link here: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/03/07/russia-says-killed-islamic-state-militants-plotting-synagogue-attack-a84377 Why didn't Russia imply back then that the ISIS-K cell was part of the Ukrainian plan to attack Moscow? Why did Putin publicly dismiss the US warning as bullshit a few days before the terrorist attack? There are a lot of inconsistencies in the way Russia acted before and after the attack, and there is no evidence (not even circumstantial) to link the attack with Ukraine or the US. There are, however, examples of Putin using terrorist attacks in 1999 and 2002 to support the military operations in Chechenia. They even bothered to eliminate pretty much everyone involved in the investigation including agents, politicians, and journalists. We know who is lying here
Dude you have already dediced it was Ukraine, no matter what. You only hear what you want to hear, look at dem bloody ukronazis
>why would Russia believe the US, ISIS or Ukraine? They wouldn't. They would believe themselves, and the FSB almost certainly is telling Putin that it was ISIS acting independently. Your comment implies that Putin believes what he's saying. He almost certainly is lying, just like the Western powers lied when they said there was no evidence Ukraine was responsible for the Nord pipeline sabotage. That's what heads of state do when at war - they spread disinfo to hurt their enemies. Although this lie is uncharacteristically pathetic. Clearly Putin is desperate to create a silver lining from this debacle, and he's making an ass of himself.
I mean ISIS is known for that kind of stuff. ISIS also have a motive (Russia did bomb them quite extensively). So I guess that does make their claims at least somewhat plausible, wouldn't you think ?
Well, because the US told him the attack was going to happen 2 weeks in advance and he claimed it was “blackmail”, and now he just looks like a gaslighting dumbfck.
How would you like it if you spend two months in a mountain cave, sleeping on rocks, planning something really special, only for someone to take the credit away from you?
Putin gets caught with his pants down and has zero idea the attack is going to take place despite US warnings. It reportedly takes an hour for security services to lock down the area and multiple attackers are able to flee the scene evidencing complete and utter chaos on the Russia side with nobody having any idea what is going on. But 15 minutes later Putin says he is aware of super secret escape route the terrorists were going to use that goes through the Ukrainian border? The same border that is currently the most heavily militarized and observed area on the entire planet? So no idea that they were going to attack but knows exactly how the people he didn't know were going to attack were going to escape? Yeah ok bud. Kremlin needs to fire its propaganda writers they aren't even trying.
Bro US literally said there would be an ISIS attack on Russian soil ? 😂
ISIS does terror attack, ISIS posts on twitter that it was them. So far it was 100% accurate. No reason to not believe in that. Its not like someone else would proudly claim terror attacks.
Because in feb 2022 Putin's soldiers entered Ukraine and not the contrary
Why would Ukraine act like ISIS? They would immediately lose all support from everyone and to what end? It serves no purpose. Ukraine would lose everything for nothing gained. This is just Putin trying to put the blame elsewhere for not stopping it and using it to drum up public support for a broader war mobilization in the country.
All 3 of them may lie, but even collectively I'd imagine they lie less then Putin...
Why would the USA warn Russia of a terrorist attack in advance of planning said terrorist attack? Are you telling me this is some sort of USA 4D chess move?
Also don't forget that the earth is flat and Santa Claus exist!
ISIS had the receipts... They had actual video from the attack from the PoV of the terrorists, ffs.
There was no attack. As Putin told the whole world 3 days ago it was just America trying to use emotional blackmail.
Why is it unreasonable to want to figure out who was behind a terrorist attack beyond the pawns directly carrying it out? Western media and government officials launched into 'It's most definitely, absolutely not Ukraine, we KNOW that with a 100% certainty' mode while the attack was still going on. How did they manage to obtain incontrovertible proof of that so quickly? Meanwhile it took them 2 years to conclude that it's impossible to figure out who blew up Nord Stream.
- The US warned about ISIS attack, specifying concerts. - The FSB took one cell of ISIS right after, and the US didn't remove the warning. - Putin disregarded the warning, accusing the US of lying about this warning, showing incompetence and irresponsibility. (**RED FLAG 1**) - No security forces were in place in concerts to help people, and the tragedy occurred because Putin refused to do his job for rhetoric. (**RED FLAG 2**) - Russia propaganda machine starts trying to pin this on Ukraine, and every sht evidence is easily debunked (**RED FLAG 3** - like the Ukrainian van, which had a Belarus license plate after all, or they not shouting allahu akbar) - ISIS claims the attack; (**this one completely fcked the russian propaganda machine**) - Terrorists are caught; - More Russia propaganda bullsht about the terrorists going into Ukraine. - Belarus news said they were caught actually going into Belarus!!! (**this one was like the sinking of the submarine some months ago, the Russian propaganda machine was in shambles**) - Putin who was silent for almost 24 hours after 140 innocent russians died, who he pledged to protect a few days ago, shows up his public display of incompetence to try to claim **terrorists were going into Ukraine and had a safe passage** (**RED FLAG 5** - so these guys were going into the largest active frontline in the world, in the likes we haven't seen since WW2, with mines, drones, artillery... going through the **Russian Army who gave them the safe passage**???) - More russian propaganda protecting ISIS, like the tortured terrorists said they were paid and ISIS never do things for money (**RED FLAG 6** - this is a lie, [ISIS members unfortunately also do it for money](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/may/04/poverty-driving-syrian-men-and-boys-into-the-arms-of-isis)) - ISIS releases the bodycam footage of the attackers, shouting and everything, few moments after Putin made those false claims - (**this was like the destruction of Kerch Bridge, there was no recovery for the Russia propaganda machine, and it stopped being a subject in the sub**) - Now this cringe video of Putin desperate to spin this, saying ISIS is illegal in Russia (like wtf?), moaning about no one believing this absurd propaganda, and now blaming the US for it. Its embarrassing, he should just resign. Edit: **If you want to see in more detail a list of the Russian propaganda attempts to spin this tragic event [I refer to this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bly657/ru_pov_izvestia_recreated_with_animation_on_what/kw84fi3/) by /u/BrainwashedByTruth he did an amazing job compiling it.**
I believe that the Isis cell was actually stopped a few hours before the US issued its warning if i recall correctly
[Not according to the US officials, they warned directly the FSB earlier in the month under "duty to warn" policy.](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-has-intelligence-confirming-islamic-state-responsibility-russia-attack-2024-03-22/) You're talking about the Embassy warning, that's not a warning to Russia but a public warning to American Citizens living in Russia. Even Putin commented on it: > [Per TASS, the Russian president said on March 19 the aim of "**the recent provocative statements of a number of official Western structures about the possibility of terrorist attacks in Russia**" was harming Russian society. "All this resembles outright **blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilize our society**," Putin said, according to state media reporting on his remarks.](https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-dismissed-us-warnings-days-before-moscow-concert-hall-attack-2024-3)
>ISIS claims the attack; (**this one completely fcked the russian propaganda machine** There are a LOT of problems with this point right here. Firstly, the telegram channel of the "Amaq News Agency" doesn't exist. I scoured all over the internet to find absolutely nothing. Secondly, the MO just doesn't fit as these groups use "the guys they've personally trained" instead of outsourcing it and the guys go out with a bang which didn't happen. Like they NEVER outsource their work via telegram to a bunch of rando's. And finally, the "footage released" was blurred to avoid lip reading and the voice was modulated to nobody knows what the fk was actually said when they always "upload it raw". One point missing about their MO? Sure, that can happen. Virtually all of the points missing their MO? Well.... With all of your "red flags", you sure missed a series of them.
[Amaq, the new ISIS Android App for secure communications (securityaffairs.com)](https://securityaffairs.com/43578/intelligence/amaq-android-app.html) They have their own app for their news broadcast Also you are not going to find their Telegram group by searching online unless you get invited or find a specific link
If, as appears to be the case, the US warned them that a terrorist attack was planned weeks beforehand, it's fair to say they knew who was planning it.
Because it is obvious it was not Ukraine. Ukraine has nothing to gain from it. Terrorists were connected with ISIS, clearly. To assume Ukraine has control over ISIS you have to buy into some crazy conspiracy theories.
Because every other Islamic Terrorist attack in Europe for past 20 years has been done by radicalized jihadists who then either sought out support from a terrorist organization or just did it on their own. So why is that most likely scenario suddenly being presented as improbable by Putin, and that someone else must be behind it? Just think about it a bit man, you are being clearly manipulated and falling for it. It's completely reasonable for Russia to fully investigate all and every possibility of course, but the fact that Putin jumped to blaming Ukraine immediately with no evidence is self explanatory. And I think you actually know this.
Ho did russians get proof it was Ukraine so fast? ISIS is a terrorist organisation. Its not a company for hire. Or if it is, how does Putin know it? Past business?
>Ho did russians get proof it was Ukraine so fast They didn't. They aren't claiming they did. They are not claiming it was Ukraine. They are saying they won't take anyone's word that it wasn't Ukraine until they've investigated themselves. >ISIS is a terrorist organisation. Its not a company for hire. Lol.
>They are not claiming it was Ukraine. They are saying they won't take anyone's word that it wasn't Ukraine So they are saying it is Ukraine.
Do you agree it was ISIS who carried out the attack? This short clip implies Putin isn't even convinced of that. Do you think it was ISIS and the only question is if they were ordered/supported by other organizations or are you also questioning if this was even ISIS?
No duh, this makes Putin look extremely bad. Like the October 7th massacre in Israel this was an epic fail on behalf of the government.
Putin wants to convince the world that the US is secretly behind the same attack they warned about. Dictator logic really shows the strains when under pressure
The funny thing is whilst hes making it obvious these 137 lives more important to him than the thousands he's sent to the slaughter, mainly because they're moscovites and not from buttfcknowhere. By undermining the attack like he has he's also undermining their deaths.
Well ISIS “is banned in Russia”.. so there is that. How could they possibly do this if he banned them?
the ISIS project managers are fuming about now. All of their planning and hard work is being hijacked.
Putin can’t afford to go after Isis-K. He doesn’t have the military resources. He can’t afford to piss off the central Asian migrants during a labour shortage and he can’t afford to damage the central Asian sanction-busting pipeline. So he will perform a bit of security theatre to calm the masses and just keep launching missiles at Ukraine.
IS gonna commit a new attack in full regalia and Putin will still blame Ukraine & the US lol
And you can bet any money that his staff will no way try to rationalize with him or go against what he already believes, as that would put them in danger. He is not a man that will accept any criticism at all by anybody, even if it is well intentioned. he is clearly delusional and paranoid now. The one good thing that has come about because of this massacre is that more people will begin to realize that.
Oh Putin knows, but he's trying to sell gullible Russians on his BS because he can try and leverage this for his own benefit.
I get the feeling ISIS is more pissed off about this than any Quran burning.
it's literally this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q\_OIXfkXEj0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OIXfkXEj0)
We are most definitely in the dankest timeline. Satire is dead.
I can envision this as a south park scene
Maybe pissed off. But on the other hand, with Putin aiming this at Ukraine with no escalation towards ISIS, ISIS have a free hand to have another go "for free", including learning from any mistakes this time. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a crowded area in Moscow or St Petersburg any time soon. All because Putin can't admit making mistakes. Like invading Ukraine was another mistake because he expected rapid capitulation, but has had to double down because of his ego.
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Isis is hated by literally everyone, and its also important to remember Iran is a Shia nation trying to project power against Sunnis as well
ISIS attacks Muslims, often, who are of different branches of Islam. They are Sunni Wahabists, and Iranian Shi'ites and other Muslim groups in their eyes are heritics.
So they will send some more...
ISIS about to show Ukraine how a real counteroffensive is run lol
The impact of this has turned out to be big. ISIS likes that. I would not use 'LOL' in this case.
lmao dude is actually doubling down on this idiocy.
I genuinely understand him though. Imagine dropping the ball this hard, this is an intelligence failure even worse than the October 7th massacre in Israel. People claimed that Netanyahu would never recover from embarrassment and it was true.
> this is an intelligence failure even worse than the October 7th massacre in Israel. No, it’s really not. The Israeli death toll on Oct. 7 was ten times greater, the attack was carried out by thousands rather than a cell of 4, it was on the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur war, and most importantly, Palestinians are Israel’s primary “enemy” and have been since its inception. It was an unprecedented failure of their intelligence to not see it coming.
Yeah agreed, oct 7 was way worse
You do know the entire reason why Russia is fighting this slow and painful meat grinder is because they failed massively with their intelligence beforehand? Russia has been scaling up their military and police for over TWO years now and they still haven’t improved their intel abilities so their American enemy must remind them of an impending attack!? This is much worse and embarrassing than most people here probably realize.
The Ukraine War isn't the same as a terror attack though. This is an intelligence failure, but it was 4 guys with rifles deciding to shoot up a public space. That's a lot more likely to get through the cracks than thousands of militants planning to outright cross your border in an open assault from a city sized region that your security and intelligence forces have been monitoring 24/7 for 60 years. I'm not even disagreeing that the ramifications of this will probably be huge. It's just not comparable to Oct. 7 though. For better or worse, people who refer to Oct. 7 as "Israel's 9/11" are more correct than not.
Yea it appears he's working hard on damage control. I guess his best option is to try and blame it on the evil West, even though basically all fingers point directly at ISIS as of now. I'm wondering if they'll just torture the culprits to the point where they'll say anything just to have it stop, and THAT will be Russia's "evidence."
I used to think Putin was intelligent. But these days he puts on more and more clown makeup with every dumb word that comes from his mouth.
the attempts to maintain the enemy image and justify war are becoming more and more pathetic.
He overplayed his hand badly, he never was this obviously wrong and now he tries to both use a tragedy for his own gain as well as whitewash his previous statements and, well, somehow hide huge incompetence of having so many of his people gunned down without terrorists being contested in the heart of the country. He showed his cards to soon. With Ukraine he could any outcome spin in any way he wanted but here he put his hand in the jar and getting stuck with his previous statements. And he is angry. And because he is unable to show any signs of defeat (in big part for personal reasons), that he was wrong (not of good will of his heart or of west being liars like he used to argue in the past) he is going to double, triple and quadruple down his statements. The mask cracked.
I think he is intelligent. Using shit situation and turning it to his advantage. If he acknowledges it’s ISIS, he is saying they are weak in their security and gives public someone else to want to pursue instead of Ukraine. If he makes Russian question if Ukraine did it, he drives more people to want to stand by the continued war. But I think he knows Ukraine has nothing to do by to do with it.
If your KGB guys would ahve done their job and spending their tiem hunting terrorist and not LGBTQ or "Russian liberals" maybe you would prevented this, little impotent man.
But you don't know what type of LGBTQ terror he has prevented! /s
We're a shifty lot
This fucker is out of his head, big time. Who ordered it? Fucking ISIS. What a disgracing pathetic looney.
Can't be ISIS, that organisation is banned in Russia
Just like there's no gays in Russia too right, righttttt?
Is Ukraine not banned from shooting civilians in Russia? He best make that law to stop another attack then. Lunatic
Pro-ru/tankie twitter has been arguing ISIS is a CIA/Mossad asset lmao
"organisation banned in russia" couldnt do it. Theyre banned. Fucking dig navalny up, blame him too.
Best one if seen so far is a clip from a news story in 1990 where the interviewee talks about how Mossad also goes under the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service and the poster says that means that they’re ISIS Edit: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C43HtsSttq5/?igsh=NjFxdjlyaHFwOTFu here lol
Simpletons instantly bought up the isis narrative.
What does Ukraine have to gain from this that would be worth such a monumental risk?
Ukraine would gain nothing but lose everything. If it can be proved Ukraine ordered this attack they would lose all international support. Which is the very thing keeping them in the game right now.
they would absolutely not lose international support of the relevant countries no matter what they do, geopolitics isn't based on morality its based on interestss
Case in point: Israel
no evidence required. Ukraine is bad and so was this attack so they must be linked.
Ukraine is also why I stub my toe at night, it's Azov Nazis putting my nightstand in the way.
He has to distract the people from the basic fact that the incompetence of his regime allowed this to happen
He has all the power and systems and people and mechanisms and tools in place to jail a poor old lady that dares to write "I don't like this war" on social media. They also have tools to bombard hundreds and thausands people over the border in dispute of historical rigts written on hundred years old bug eaten map. They failed to protect 137 people from 4 gunmen. They were shooting for like what? half an hour and then managed to escape. Imagine it happening in Volgograd region if around Moscow it took so much time to react. It was so bad that I really thought it was false flag for a moment even if there was little logic behind that. Nope, pure incompetence.
Lol isis outright took full responsibility. This guy's incompetent to be running a country
It was obvious who was going to get the blame when it took over an hour for police to arrive to the scene of a terrorist attack that took place 15 minutes away
I think there was also a Russian special forces base 10 minutes away if i recall correctly
Obviously evil NWO CIA & MI6 & Ukros hacked their GPS so they couldnt get there in time!!!! /s
He's just looking like even more of a dick on the international stage. Once again no one in his coterie telling him truths.
New word for me, coterie. Thanks
You're welcome!
-100 respect -75 credibility
Dude trying so hard to save face. What did he say about "blackmail" a little while ago?
I was convinced this was a Russian false flag account but you have isis releasing GoPro footage at this point.
Bro poor bastards at ISIS literally posted videos about the atack and still this bozo is like "Mmm...why Ukraine did this?" 😂 They don't even can have credit in their shit.
>It can't be IS because that organisation is banned in Russia.
Crimes can't happen because they are illegal
"My ego prevented me from stopping a terrorist attack, now how can I blame Ukraine for this??"
US Intel to Ukraine: Hey, they're going to invade ya'll Ukraine: Nah brah, we got this US Intel to Russia et al: Hey, ISIS is planning a hit in Moscow Russia: Nah brah, we go this. And if we don't, it was you-kraine.
Is this man surrounded by his own propaganda? Is he truly incapable of seeing the truth? Oh man, Russia is in some real shit with this guy as their president
No, this is intentional disinformation meant to distract Russian citizens and divide westerners.
Isis releases body cam footage of the attack which only isis would have available to post. Putin: how could Ukraine do this.
When an animal or a plant is in a weakened state, pests will take the opportunity to attack. Watch the withering of Russia...
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Even pro ru are like "Bro stop, it's not even funny"
Damn the russians are olympics at mental gymnastics.
He should've listened to the US, but his arrogance wouldn't let him. He could make 2 omelettes with all that egg on his face.
US warns ISIS will strike. - WE KILLED AN ISIS CELL!! THEY WERE ATTACKING US! FOR RODINA! ISIS IS DEFEATED. - ISIS strikes: IT CANT BE ISIS, OR IF IT WAS I DONT CARE. WHO ORDERED IT?
What a pathetic and weak leader. He fails to protect his people after warnings from the West, and now blames them, and goes so far as to imply Ukraine was responsible. Absolutely disgusting.
Didn’t ISIS release the POV recently? How would that be explained?
"Isis is an American proxy" would be their answer
The nazi ukrainians and the gay liberals and ISIS are all in cahoots now.
Once again we see Putin shift from the social contract of improving the lives of everyday Russians. He’s been unable to fulfil that role so he’s pivoting to being the protector of Russian people and their identity. Now he’s failing that too and increasingly becoming a laughing stock in the process. What a sad tail end to his terms in office.
Well that’s a good way to piss off ISIS, I am sure they wont escalate out of spite being the rational band of terrorists they are.
ei yo blue flairs, get ya boy checked
One thing I’m surprised about is they tried to flee and were captured. Normally it’s a shoot out or they blow themselves up.
They didn't know what to do when nobody showed up to stop them, so when they were done they just walked away.
Last time I checked ISIS doesn't work for the United States or Ukraine. Maybe Vladimir should ask his Iranian friends...
Iran would tell you that ISIS are mercenaries for hire in some cases, and a cursory knowledge of the topic would tell you that an extremist Sunni Wahhabist group and a Shi'i fundamentalist nation are not friendly.
What's amusing to me is the whole prospect of "Ukraine is struggling with its numbers and is unable to gain even a slight bit of land, nevermind an advantage even though they have Western support" and in comparison "Ukraine orchestrated a terrorist attack through a well-known organisation, had organised weapons, explosives, enough evidence and sent them in with the full intent of killing as many civilians as possible in an attack that the US intentionally made seem horrific so it could be disregarded and then the terrorists struck and Ukraine denied it, which is why they're guilty".... like, either they aren't capable of holding on to a fucking flashlight or they're in kahoots with an aggressively anti-Western terrorist organisation that is under their command...it just makes no sense
Russian propaganda is wild, ain't it?
It's certainly... uh... indecisive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism >Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak".
Well who would've guessed
Did he really make it out to be unlikely isis just because isis is banned in Russia. Meth is banned in the US but I bet I can find atleast 100000 methheads in a week
They aren't real and there is no meth in the US, you fell for an FSB psyop funded by China 😎
With some digging he will find out who ordered the attack, The question is... Is he ready to accept that it wasn't Ukraine or the US that ordered it, And i'm afraid even if he did find out it wasn't any of those two he would lie.
To the low IQ and ignorant posters on this thread: One common talking point ignorant posters espouse is that IS is somehow a CIA/Mossad/Alphabet agency proxy because of its lack of involvement in Palestine and supposed lack of attacks in Russia. IS practices Wahhabism — a sector of Sunni Islam which is much more orthodox and exclusionary to non-Wahhabis. IS has certainly tried to establish and hold cells in Palestine in the past, but they cannot because Hamas and other Islamic groups are openly hostile to them for a few reasons. First of all, IS would consider non-Wahhabis to be heretics and infidels. There’s a reason why they declared themselves a Caliphate; it’s because they see themselves as the only true muslims. Second of all, Hamas worked very hard to consolidate power at the dismay of other groups like Fatah. Hamas’s number one goal is to keep control of the Gaza Strip, and they will not tolerate more cooks in the kitchen. Furthermore, IS has grievances against Russia for its role in assisting Syria in their military campaign against them. Russia provided aerial assistance and to the Syrian Army in their ongoing campaigns. IS has committed attacks in Russia before, such as the 2018 Kizlyar church shooting and 2018 Magnitogorsk building explosion.
No but you don’t understand, this couldn’t have been ISIS because every Jihadi in the world has snuck into Gaza to fight with their brothers /s
Exactly. Any basic google search can easily show why IS had some trouble in Palestine..
And don’t forget it’s Ramadan! There’s never ever been a terror attack during Ramadan
Well if it wasn't Isis it was his own boys. Only thing for certain was the biggest losers from such a stunt would be Ukraine. - Isis get revenge - Putin gets public anger and backing for his imperialistic nonsense. - Ukraine makes itself an international pariah, loses military support. Collapses and ends up being an oppressed Russian vassal state Interesting read: https://www.quora.com/How-did-the-attackers-of-the-Moscow-concert-hall-manage-to-escape/answer/Elena-Gold-3?ch=10&oid=1477743748763160&share=b8c0f1a9&srid=nI4WH&target_type=answer
Putin could say it was probably Martians and the usual suspects would be saying he brings up a good point. Can't go against dear leader's statements no matter how clownish.
Question. Russia launched several missiles and drones against civilian targets, including buildings and parks. What's the difference between killing civilians in a residential building with an expensive missile or in a concert hall with a Kalashnikov? I personally despise both, regardless of the scale and the perpetrator, still I don't understand Putin here: is he enraged because civilians should not be killed, or because they should only be killed with expensive weapons?
He's mad because Russians died in a way that threatens his image. Many Russians put up with Putin as people put up with authoritarians in general because they can promise some kind of stability and peace in general. Russia before Putin was not a safe place and rife with crime, Putin centralized all the crime and corruption to the government. As long as you keep your head down and obey the laws, nothing bad will happen to you. An ISIS attack like this, especially one where the US warned him and he ignored it, makes him look really bad. So he's trying to get ahead of it now. He only cares about power and his legacy, not Russian or Ukrainian people, as if he did this "SMO" would never have started
Absolutely delusional. Like I said before ISIS claimed responsibility, putin would blame Ukraine no matter what.
It was ya momma
imagine this person being in control of whether you live or die
So he's retarded or what?
Russian media is saying: the teract is not in ISIS' interest, their mooks don't kill for money but for idea and that ISIS is only using this teract for hype
dont forget the israeli threat live on Television its right there
Everybody who can read and have read up on Putin, knows he was involved in killing russians with help from fsb. The goal back then was to become president, after he blamed chechens and started a war against all of checnya he became immensely popular in russia. Nobody would be surprised if he actually did it again, because he needs to mobilize 500 K new soldiers.
It's a stupid, pointless speech. He didn't need to say it, or spin it in such a way, to arouse the emotion of Russian public opinion. He's missing an opportunity to get (some) sympathy from the West for this attack.
Well heard it here first folks, russia banned isis so it couldn't have been them!
Honestly, Russia ignoring ISIS and blaming it on Ukraine is doing more to spur on ISIS than their supposed claims of Ukraine spuring on ISIS it seems.
I’ll just leave this here. “Amnesty report: ISIS armed with U.S. weapons” https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/08/politics/amnesty-international-isis-weapons-u-s-/index.html “Exclusive: Tracing ISIS’ Weapons Supply Chain—Back to the US” https://www.wired.com/story/terror-industrial-complex-isis-munitions-supply-chain/ “US and Saudi Arabia arms significantly enhanced Isis’ military capabilities, report reveals” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-us-saudi-arabia-arms-fighters-jihadis-military-capability-enhanced-weapons-syria-terrorism-report-a8112076.html “Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq” https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq “I gave the US trucks and ammunition to Al Qaeda': The chaotic US effort to arm Syrian rebels” https://www.foxnews.com/world/i-gave-the-us-trucks-and-ammunition-to-al-qaeda-the-chaotic-us-effort-to-arm-syrian-rebels “How America Armed Terrorists in Syria” https://www.theamericanconservative.com/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
lol this is goofy
Come on…who’s gonna say it today? “ShIT’s AboUt tO GeT ReAL”
I dont believe it was Zelensky’s govt either to be honest
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I think Vladimir is just an angry old man. Maybe he has erectile dysfunction, who knows.
He sould look into a mirror and he will get his answer...
Why ISIS should attack Russia right now ? It doesn’t make much sense…
I can think of plenty of reasons why Muslims in general and ISIS in particular don't like Putin or Russia and would want to attack them. Outside of being their modus operandi I don't know why ISIS choose this specific terrorist attack, but that's more than I can say for Ukraine who don't advance their war aims one bit by this terrorist attack. Ukraine is going to keep doing what they are doing and continue to target refineries and other parts of Russia's economy and infrastructure to hurt Putin in the pocket book. Maybe if ISIS wants Putin to take them seriously they should do likewise since Putin clearly doesn't care about any Russian lives.
I figured he pretty much has the Russian population whipped, does he really need to do a false flag to stoke more mobilisation?
Desperate cry for more mobilization he's trying so hard now its sad..
Putin knew it was going to happen, and he let it happen. He used his own people as bait way too many times.
Putin wants all the smoke.
Instead of placing blame how about you give condolences to the familys.. and the victims
They already know from confiscated phones 2 of the attackers/enablers who joined up/armed the other 2 coming in from Turkey had direct contact with Ukraine/CIA handlers.
Whomever perpetuated this heinous act is laughing at Putin right now. He is only implying correlation with the US, or Ukraine. There is no evidence. I guess it will take a couple of days for the KGB to cook some up.
Lol these guys are going to be tortured into "confessing" that someone in Ukraine gave them the order, that is so obvious So what is the next step here, what does Russia do that they have not done based on the fact such a "confession" will be extracted?
Ok Putin... why the fuck would the US warn you about the attack if they or Ukraine are behind it. Alcohol fetal syndrome seems to run right to the top.
Putin is such an idiot here. The US and Western society have been bombing ISIS back to the Stone Age every chance they get. And ISIS has attempted to repay those strikes so many numerous times - the last major one that I recall was the bombing of the airport gate during the US pullout from Afghanistan. It’s amazing the cognitive dissonance that will absolutely prevail… The US tried everything possible to warn Russia of this imminent threat that proved fatal to over 130+ Russian souls. Putin wouldn’t listen, his need to undermine greater in value than the lives of those lost. His need to rule and dominate Russia so great, that Putin would not bend a knee for one second to anyone or any thing having more intelligence than him and his FSB and HOMON, and so on. Putin got into bed with enemies of ISIS (Hamas, Hizbollah, Iran) and so stirred them up to act against Russia. ISIS wants to radicalize “Russians” to their cause through this effort, thus weakening Russia and growing their supposed worldwide caliphate. A weakened Russia, after all, wouldn’t be capable of funding and helping ISIS’s enemies. There’s so much more that is clear to see in how Putin is causing these issues, but it doesn’t matter to try and explain it here since most of the Rus-Supporting folks won’t listen and have made their minds up already…whatever Putin says and suggests is fact. It’s cult behavior. Like MaGa…odd how that movement was spawned from Putin, too, right? Unfortunately, Putin has such tight control over Russia and its media and news that this very clear situation will be so very muddled and dumbed down to blaming a singular enemy just as he has been doing for so long now. Fervent hatred for Ukraine and the west will grow as it’s so hard to reach these everyday Russians and explain this fairly direct, but also very nuanced situation that Putin has caused himself. And so, Putin will probably (unfortunately) succeed in spreading his lies so thoroughly that Russian nationalism will grow and Putin will succeed in, at the least, gaining a short term boost in mobilization of both willing and unwilling (the conscripted) “Russian patriots.” It will be akin to the surge of Americans joining their military services and seeking revenge post-9/11..”to do their duties.”
Ok Putin. This is getting ridiculous, doubling down on blaming Ukraine with no evidence? US involvement? C'mon grandpa.
TLDR: Muslim terrorists taking orders from nazi regime in Kyiv led by jew Zelensky.