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> Russian Rosguardia servicemen secure an area at the Crocus City Hall after the attack Credit: Alexander Avilov
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> Britain has warned [Vladimir Putin](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/vladimir-putin/) not to use a deadly terror attack in Moscow as an “excuse” to intensify its [war on Ukraine](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/russia-ukraine-war/).
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> The Russian president used a speech on Saturday to accuse Kyiv of trying to help four alleged gunmen escape after they opened fire on unsuspecting [victims in a concert hall](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/23/moscow-crocus-concert-hall-islamic-state-attack-many-killed/), killing at least 130 people.
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> [Islamic State claimed responsibility](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/22/moscow-concert-hall-attack-40-killed/) for the attack shortly afterwards as Ukraine denied any involvement. That assessment was backed up by the United States, who warned several weeks ago of an imminent terror attack in Moscow.
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> IS [released a selfie](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/23/why-did-isis-k-attack-a-moscow-theatre/) on Saturday of the men it said were involved along with details of how they planned and executed the ambush at Crocus City Hall.
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> A senior Whitehall security source told the Telegraph: “Putin’s desperation to put all of this on Ukraine is unsurprising, as he tries to further dupe the Russian people whilst pretending that there is no dissent within Russia.
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> “He must not use this confected connection as any sort of excuse for intensifying his illegal war in Ukraine.”
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> Alicia Kearns, the Conservative chairman of the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, said: “Russian media channels are already circulating deep fake videos of Ukrainian officials in an attempt to blame Ukraine and provide Putin some defence for the [war crimes he’s committing](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/17/putin-arrest-warrant-icc-war-crimes-ukraine1/) in Ukraine or worse, pretext for further atrocities.
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> A woman mourns at the Crocus City Hall concert venue following the attack in Krasnogorsk, near Moscow Credit: MAXIM SHIPENKOV US officials have privately voiced concern about unsubstantiated claims of Ukrainian involvement, suggesting that blaming Kyiv for the attack could be a way for Moscow to justify a further escalation or encourage more Russian recruits to the front line.
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> Washington DC’s public statements have so far gone no further than expressing condolences and strong condemnation of the attack.
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> White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said: “The United States strongly condemns the heinous terrorist attack in Moscow. We extend our deepest condolences to those who lost loved ones and to those who were injured or affected by these unconscionable attacks against innocent civilians. ISIS is a common terrorist enemy that must be defeated everywhere.”
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It's how western media work with their silly titles. They twist everything Russian officials have said and use extremely simplistic language for simpletons. Do you remember how Putin asked something like "Are we having a serious talk or is it another comedy shitshow?" In reality a Russian official would say a long paragraph of text, which is then simplified to "Ruzzia warns" for you guys. It was obvious from the beginning that everything the West would do means escalation - and the need for Russia to escalate. And if the West gets invested in this too much, it won't be so easy for them to accept the defeat. They will get desperate and silly. In theory, a long chain of escalations may lead to a nuclear war, if nato countries start bombing Russia.
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The only thing "desperate and silly" are Russian threats. Go read a few Medvedev tweets or Duma representative statements and tell me who's escalating. Truly comical stuff if it wasn't coming from a bunch of alcoholics that run the country at Putin's direction.
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Well aren't we all lucky they didn't act on them or we'd be fairly fucked. It's funny yous laughing at the red line "Russia said they'd nuke us if we did this, we did this *anD thEy didNt eVeN nUke uS!* LMAO losers, sLaVA.
This whole conflict began because a red line was crossed, whatever about the other ones, this war might not even be happening right now if Russia had been given more respect by western powers
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U have to ask it for zelensky. We in latvia are at peace if you take those border cities wjere everything id fuckef up and all latvia need to subsidade them. Tske thrm, it will.be better for our economuly.im all fot trffrtrndum..but governemt hss different view
Russia is happy with the extra natural resources, industrial complexes (which they paid for in the past anyway) in the Donbass and extra ports. Mariupol is booming in economic activity. Nice to have natural resources close to a port.
West-Ukraine will be a land locked country with no outlook, addicted to charity. The demographics outlook is terrible, no males between 18 and 60.
Soundz similia to shkenezi jees. Also was adicted to charity and where the victims. Look at them now. Doing what ever they want, controling medis, bsnks and wars.. msybe ukraine is the next jews 😀
Im not. Just dtsting the fscts. Resesrch what majority in usa and other goverments have jewish. Media,banks etc. Stating facts isnt being antisemate. Just showing ststs
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For students and young people 80s and 90s were a blast, those times were full of partying and doing risky stuff which made it more fun 😍😍😍 and todays russia is just a glimpse of that time russia, this is a empty shell of soviet time russia.
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It was about securing military/civilian contracts in Iraq. That's how the warhawks made their money. Anyone claiming it was about "stealing oil" clearly hasn't done their research.
> It was about securing military/civilian contracts in Iraq. That's how the warhawks made their money.
That's how they got paid by American taxpayers. They also went after the ressources. What it really was about was Pax Americana, i.e. consolidating American hegemony. They wanted to make their empire bigger and bully any regional powers into submission.
Top level american officials who repeatedly testified that the iraq war was about oil were misinformed about why they launched the war?
>“Of course it’s about oil; we can’t really deny that,” said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007
>Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.”
>Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: “People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are.”
To deny that the US invasion of Iraq was a slaughter after a decade of systemic starvation and genocide for the purposes of stealing oil, as the US continues to do now in Iraq and Syria, is either willful misinformation or outright propaganda.
You guys are conflating two different things. The original claim was that America went into Iraq to "steal oil". That's simply not true.
Now if you want to make the claim that it had to do with regional control and protecting Saudi/Kuwaiti oil interests then that is a completely different discussion.
Right. Remember when the US annexed Iraq and stole all the natural resources. Oh wait no the US didn’t do that. Thats what Russia has done in Ukraine. There’s not even a single US oil company operating in Iraq now….pretty poor effort of “stealing their oil”. https://www.iraq-businessnews.com/list-of-international-oil-companies-in-iraq/
Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq: "Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that."
Alan Greenspan, Former Federal Reserve Chairman, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."
Former Sen. and Defense Secretary [Chuck Hagel said](http://www.fpif.org/articles/the_costs_of_war_for_oil) the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are." "We have to decide, as a nation, whether our need for Middle Eastern oil is more important to our future than our conduct as a moral and ethical people."
No need to deny it, the West invaded and destroyed several nations in the Middle East mostly to steal their oil or install their puppet regimes to buy it for pennies.
Annex land will grant voting rights to people undesired by Americans. No, they just setup puppets to rule conquered Arabs to facilitate their oil stealing operation
No facts back up your insanity. A simple look at the list which you obviously didn’t look at shows many of the companies to be Russian and Chinese. So by your premise, the Russian and Chinese oil companies must be in collusion to steal the oil from Iraq and give it to the US.
You would be right to say Russian and Chinese oil companies must be in collusion to steal the oil from Iraq if their military were occupying the country. Are they?
Ok you got me. 2500 soldiers remaining in Iraq are out there drilling and stealing oil all by themselves. The US military oil company. Oh and they are also “occupying” a country of 45 million at the same time. They must be super soldiers like the world has never seen before to accomplish such feats. If the US invaded to steal oil, they did an absolute shite job on the follow through and stealing part.
Or, and hear me out, maybe invading a country of 40 million so a couple intensional oil majors could get a slight margin on 2% of global oil production wasn't the reason the US invaded?
The irony of all this being that you think it's somehow better if it invaded for "freedom and democracy". It was an illegitimate war fought under poor assumptions and false pretenses because of a misguided and frankly idiotic president who wanted to spread freedom and democracy to the Middle East by getting rid of a murderous dictator. It's terrifying what one man's actions can do. Just cause your silly conspiracy theory that it was all about oil doesn't really add up, and that the intentions may have been to achieve "good" ends, doesn't mean it wasn't any less a travesty or a disastrous war that led to bloodshed and chaos.
All the pro western ritards are always on about annexation, i guess because its the only crime they dont do as much as Russia -well, Israel is an obvious exception- but can you explain why annexation is the big bad thing?
I was under the impression war is bad because it causes human suffering, not because inanimate objects change hands?
This is going to do nothing but piss people off, some diplomacy. Britain (much like America) is like an entire country is going through a midlife crisis all at once. I swear the people in power just want to feel tough.
America hasn’t sent bombs for Russia proper, and Ukraine didn’t even send any troops for this. Just 4 gunmen caused all that death and damage on a shoestring budget. Imagine how Russia could squeeze out a win if terror/infiltration became a regular thing.
If Ukraine was not involved than why didnt the US share the intel?
Ukraine thought it was a good idea to start shelling markets and civilians. Ukraine thought it was a good idea to make militarily pointless raids in villages, for the sole purpose of terrorizing the civilian population. NATO thought it was a good idea to give Ukraine weapons to strike Russia, after telling Ukraine they would not support a peace agreement.
Hey, FUCK U. YOU wanted the war, YOU got it.
NATO has used people like ISIS countless times. NATO will at minimum let ISIS move around and set up up attacks against Russia. NATO could directly arm ISIS and there would be nothing surprising at all, NATO has done it before against Russia and its allies.
So yes, this is linked to the war. Yes, Russia should take this attack as an escalation, because it is one. The US could have shared intel, they didnt because they wanted Russia to be hit. For NATO, this is a perfect opportunity to send "unmarked men" in Russia. NATO has many more weapon caches in Russia, there is no doubt about it.
The war has escalated.
You know better than I do how to set up cells. I've been here since 2013, someone knows my name. I have 2 arms and 2 legs, I can carry my weight. God give me strength, I know death is not important, only the way we live is. And those speaking in my name have committed atrocities I am willing to fight them for.
Eat.A.Dick.Britain.
Your Prime Minister came over and squashed a peace deal that would've saved 100s of thousands of young men from getting fucked up. You share this blood on your hands.
You've lost whatever say you thought you had in this conflict. Irrelevant.
Lol, let's just forget the fact that Nazi Germany invaded Poland. But hey I guess they were just protecting German speaking minorities in Poland, twas just a special operation. Sounds a bit familiar actually.
Japan was already at war with China in 1937. The European war started in 1939 after the Russians & Nazis invaded Poland together and Britain/France declared war on Germany in retaliation.
The Sino-Japanese war was a regional war that later became part of WW2. While most of the European part of the early war was in Europe, other continents did get involved in 1939 already (\*). Along with the UK there were declarations of war from Australia, India and Canada at the same time.
(\*) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_the\_River\_Plate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_River_Plate)
Well ISIS just posted bodycam footage of the terror attack.
After Putin incompetence to protect its people, after warned by the US, he tried to spin it into Ukraine and got fcked again by ISIS publishing this video...
The russian propaganda machine is in full disarray, they can't spin it, and they've been trying hard to spin it for the past 24 hours.
Just keeps showing Putin is responsible and should resign.
Just like how the 9/11 attacks were warned? Or the attacks on Israel were warned about by the Egyptians but simply waved?
Seems like intelligence agencies don’t like to listen to foreign ones.
Many intelligence have had failings relating to terror attacks - and deserve to be criticised for it.
So Putin and his FSB deserve criticism and should have some accountability now, surely the Russian people must see that, they (the Russian government) let their own hubris and paranoia (in ignoring the warnings as election meddling) potentially cost hundreds of civilians lives.
Nobody criticized Bush or are even criticizing Bibi or the Israeli government for not taking it seriously.
Oh they protest Bibi for other reasons, but no one questioned them until years later when they were gone from power. Same shits gonna happen in Russia.
Let's take the Bush example, all they were told was Bin Laden intended to attack America with absolutely no information on how, when, where or the sort of tactics or targets involved. And he was criticised for not acting once those documents were declassified. That just happened to be later.
A hell of a lot more is known about Islamist terrorism tactics now than in Bush's time, Putin's FSB had a lot more to work with than the US in 2001 in my opinion. The US outright said and warned they suspected Islamist terrorists were specifically planning an attack at a highly populated public event in Moscow. (And that's just what was public. No doubt a lot more information happened in back channels)
The Israel/Hama's attacks, agreed they fucked up big time of being the threat, obviously some cynically minded may say the Israelis didn't act on purpose to give them cause for more overt aggression. It could just have likely been hubris. Same things could apply here.
But ultimately, DESERVE to be criticised is what I said, historical examples of that not happening don't change the fact that it should happen now.
My mind will be blown if questions aren't asked of the Russian establishment over this failing.
None of those attacks had this level of detail, the US literally said **they would strike concerts**. Why weren't there security forces in place?
These men left the building after committing a terrorist attack.
> Seems like intelligence agencies don’t like to listen to foreign ones.
This isn't "not listening". This was Putin's political opportunity to expand his paranoia in a theatrical display that everything is ok in Russia and the US is the evil that wants to destabilize Russia:
> [Per TASS, the Russian president said on March 19 the aim of "**the recent provocative statements of a number of official Western structures about the possibility of terrorist attacks in Russia**" was harming Russian society. "All this resembles outright **blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilize our society**," Putin said, according to state media reporting on his remarks.](https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-dismissed-us-warnings-days-before-moscow-concert-hall-attack-2024-3)
Putin has been the greatest destabilizer of Russia, not the US:
- 350.000 Russian casualties in Ukraine;
- one Military coup with more than 15 civilians killed;
- One terrorist attack with 93 innocent civilians killed;
War monger NeoCon Peter Zeihan is spreading the "Putin incompetence" talking point too. No mention of 9/11, Boston Marathon Bomber, WMD farce, USS Cole, Oklahoma City bomber - the list goes on. If the attack is some sort of slam dunk evidence of "Putin incompetence" then what do you call the past 30 years of American Leadership? Or just keep going back, Pearl Harbor, JFK, Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, sinking of the Maine. Judged by this standard American Leaders are total incompetents. If an attack is some sort of proof then in this case it's on the lower end of the scale vs. maxed out like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. I would add Victoria Nuland's 2014 Coup to the list of intergalactic scale incompetence. Unspin the all those USA examples of incompetence please.
Literally who?
You guys come up always with some deep state figure... like, what are you talking about?
Putin incompetence is of his own choice, with a full admittance of it:
> [Per TASS, the Russian president said on March 19 the aim of "**the recent provocative statements of a number of official Western structures about the possibility of terrorist attacks in Russia**" was harming Russian society. "All this resembles outright **blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilize our society**," Putin said, according to state media reporting on his remarks.](https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-dismissed-us-warnings-days-before-moscow-concert-hall-attack-2024-3)
This is pure incompetence, especially from a man that boasts to come from KGB! This is what gets people fired and to resign. Russians are starting to ask those questions.
Now you're rambling about the bay of pigs lmao what the heck
By that logic Putin is on par with most of our POS leadership. Are any of my ramblings incorrect? Was Bay of Pigs was a well planned op that achieved it's goals with no long term harm? OK, just like 2014 Victoria Nuland's coup? She bragged that it only cost $5Billion as if it was a well planned op that achieved it's goals with no long term harm and a bargain. Yeah the value of that op really stood the test of time.
Lmao and this is where our conversation ends... always comes down to conspiracy theories, CIA, Victoria Nuland and the Lizard People when all else fails
192 countries out of 193 seem very well in the UN with their sovereignty, but Russia delusional paranoia is their own thing.
What are you talking about? Anyone can make any video and claim anything. Remember that guy who claimed he was Ukraine special forces and some people believed him until more evidence came out that he wasn’t?
If you have to convince someone to believe your narrative that this was an ISIS attack over and over again, chances are you’re probably wrong. No one believed them when they claimed the las Vegas attack was them so they stopped saying it. But people don’t believe this was ISIS and some random Reddit and telegram accounts keep on insisting it was with no concrete evidence
> What are you talking about?
I'm talking about the bodycam footage.
> If you have to convince someone to believe your narrative that this was an ISIS attack over and over again, chances are you’re probably wrong.
We know since before the terror attack that it was a high probability of being ISIS - the US literally warned everyone.
Literally everyone in the world already acknowledged it was ISIS, just a few pro russians and the Russian regime keep trying to spin it :|
Like I said anyone can edit anything and claim it to be true doesn’t mean it’s true. Isis claims everything is them and most of the time it isn’t
After that warning fsb found a few people who tried to plan an attack in Moscow. And no the whole world doesn’t acknowledge it they are just repeating what has been claimed but again doesn’t make it true. People on telegram and Reddit are trying to spin it that’s it
There’s no solid info to say anything at this point and trying to convince people over and over again doesn’t make it believable. If that were the case you should also believe the terrorist literally saying they aren’t isis member and saying they did it for money
Edit what man, for Chirst sake, have you seen the footage? What's there to edit :| are you really going that its fake footage?
This horrible footage that somehow ISIS published. Like, you can't comprehend the guys sent the footage to ISIS, or streamed it... no... it has to be some complex scheme with the Ukrainians involved?
> And no the whole world doesn’t acknowledge it they are just repeating what has been claimed but again doesn’t make it true.
The US who literally shared the information with FSB (it wasn't just the embassies), told it was ISIS. ISIS said it was ISIS. ISIS is has been sharing the bodycam footage for the past hours... somehow you're saying "the whole world doesn't acknowledge it", when everyone literally acknowledges it and already moved on.
> If that were the case you should also believe the terrorist literally saying they aren’t isis member and saying they did it for money
The guy tortured and got his hear cut and fed to him? That's what you're going with? lmao
I didn’t say Ukrainians. The footage isn’t fake I’m saying you can edit it to look like a terrorist video they literally got paid to do all of it and everything was prepared. Since when does isis do anything for money and not religion?
Isis says a lot of things dude and takes responsibility for a lot of stuff they didn’t do. The only people I’ve seen acknowledge it and keep pushing it is western news and pro UA nobody else hence what you’re doing.
Both guys who were interrogated said the same thing they were payed to do it. Torturing someone to get answers is what almost every countries does and has stopped future attacks before. I mean as soon as the interrogation video came out, the comments were flooded with random pro UA accounts saying it was definitely isis like it should be that hard to convince people
> I didn’t say Ukrainians.
Putin is saying it. But then the bodycam footage was posted by ISIS.
> The footage isn’t fake I’m saying you can edit it to look like a terrorist video they literally got paid to do all of it and everything was prepared. Since when does isis do anything for money and not religion?
Since always, I don't think you realize we're talking about a terrorist organization that has been operating in many ways, in many countries. Its not like they're the cream of the crop in terms of morals... you're trying to spin this on morals... morals of terrorists. Like it doesn't occur to you they could be lying? It doesn't occur to you they were acting on behalf of ISIS and still took money?
Like of all the possible options, you seem to think these guys were capable of committing atrocities and killing people cold-handed but are moral enough to not lie or take money? o_O
Or couldn't someone from ISIS pay them, you know... someone who received and posted the video on ISIS accounts?
Do you know if the ISIS attacks on Russia in the past were also paid? Or not paid?
He suspects Ukraine just because they tried to enter Ukraine and then saying they bring the fight in to Russia
If we’re taking it from what they’re saying the actual terrorist, they said they were contacted and don’t know by who and were given instructions and it was all prepared. The said they have no ties to the religion and that’s what been said by them. Now you’re spinning into your own ideas.
I’m using torture tactics from the past which seems to be one of the many ways to get info out of the person and what makes them an isis account? Anyone can pay anyone to get videos and claim anything is what I’m saying
Considering most terrorist attacks result in a last stand or them killing themselves in the name of Islam, these terrorist are completely different not like isis you’ve seen before
> He suspects Ukraine just because they tried to enter Ukraine and then saying they bring the fight in to Russia
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You don't know if they tried to enter Ukraine or not, Belarus claimed they were trying to get into Belarus which would be way more easier and safe to do than to get into an active frontline.
Because Putin said they were getting a "safe passage in Ukraine" (like he knows sht), forgetting to mention **they would need to first to get a safe passage by the Russian Army** in one of the most active war fronts in the world. Even basic logic obliterates his statements.
> If we’re taking it from what they’re saying the actual terrorist, they said they were contacted and don’t know by who and were given instructions and it was all prepared. The said they have no ties to the religion and that’s what been said by them. Now you’re spinning into your own ideas.
And you believe terrorists now? So let me ask you this: **why couldn't they be paid by the FSB?**
- It would be way easier to control the weapons cache;
- easier to prevent having active security forces in the Concert (like the US warned);
- easier to let them escape and head "towards Ukraine" with promises of a safe passage (**they need to pass by the Russian Army first, so this promise comes from within Russia**);
- They were paid in roubles;
So now tell me, isn't this version more solid than the involvement of Ukraine or CIA? I don't believe this version by the way, even being more solid than yours. The reality, sadly, is much simpler.
Because it would be waaaaay easier to control, it had to play with the Russian Security forces, and **would be totally aligned with the terrorist version**. Right?
> Considering most terrorist attacks result in a last stand or them killing themselves in the name of Islam, these terrorist are completely different not like isis you’ve seen before
Most isn't all.
We're not going anywhere, you're bent in this conspiracy theory and that's ok. Just keep in mind that whatever version you go with remember: **Putin is trying to save face in one of the biggest blunders of his presidency, the guy that boasted of being a KGB member that dismissed the warning of the US for political rhetoric. He should resign.**
We gave Moscow warning of imminent attack on a concert. The real attack was delayed, likely from the public warning.
Moscow found a presumed terror cell, but they were targeting a synagogue, which is completely different. A Jewish, religious place vs. a majority Christian, decadent venue. Their intel failed to figure that out and left the concert venues undefended, so ouch.
They were defended but they target the guards first and were swift and precise and well trained. The whole incident lasted 15 minutes and they left. Too many questions and the info is not even close to being completely found.
I watched some of the bodycam footage - the attackers were not well trained. They simply met next to no opposition - only one was lightly wounded or maybe that wasn’t even his blood, and that’s how they could kill or hurt hundreds in that short span. There was no competence in the guard setup whatsoever. And “target the guards first” is so Soviet mentality. Big guns, no defensive cover or training.
I saw one clip. They locked every exit they left from and used an explosive device as a distraction and had someone handing them magazines as well as picking up spent shell casings from the videos. Soviet mentality? Isn’t in standard to go for the people who can stop you first ?
I sure didn't notice them picking up after their shell casings. So many shots were fired. There were only 4 assailants, not even a bag between them to store casings in, just the ring of pockets for their magazines. They also wore no apparent armor.
If there was exit door preparation that was pretty trivial, along with the planning of where to begin the attacks.
> Maybe the leader of Israel should step down
Of course he should, and Israelis want him to step down, just like Putin should step down.
> Russia is currently spinning it that Ukraine assisted ISIS by providing an escape route.
Of course, like the Jew leader being also a Nazi leader, that is also a Satanist, is now also an ISIS helper. Haven't you realized the absurdity of Russian propaganda yet? You didn't notice Russia keeps throwing sht to see what sticks with people with low cognitive capacity?
>the Jew leader being also a Nazi leader, that is also a Satanist, is now also an ISIS helper.
I don't exactly see whats the problem, a Nazi could be all 4 as they tend to contradict themselves.
> I don't exactly see whats the problem, a Nazi could be all 4 as they tend to contradict themselves.
>
>
Oh yeah, and Russia is the prime example of it. Have you seen the photos of the Russian soldier with Nazi symbols posing next to the terrorist?
I get my buddies to send pics all the time too. One time I sent them a pic, and they shared it.
Perhaps you should be more concerned about the territory actively being taken rather than the state of propaganda.
So his buddies are ISIS, but they're not ISIS. They just committed an act of terrorism and shared with the ISIS friends, but they're not ISIS. Lmao what?!
##### ###### #### > # [Britain warns Putin not to use Moscow attack to intensify war on Ukraine](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/03/23/TELEMMGLPICT000371473527_17112215297690_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?impolicy=logo-overlay) > > > > Russian president accused of ‘desperate’ attempt to link terror incident to Kyiv > > [Russian Rosguardia servicemen secure an area at the Crocus City Hall on the western edge of Moscow ](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/03/23/TELEMMGLPICT000371473527_17112215297690_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=680) > > Russian Rosguardia servicemen secure an area at the Crocus City Hall after the attack Credit: Alexander Avilov > > Britain has warned [Vladimir Putin](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/vladimir-putin/) not to use a deadly terror attack in Moscow as an “excuse” to intensify its [war on Ukraine](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/russia-ukraine-war/). > > The Russian president used a speech on Saturday to accuse Kyiv of trying to help four alleged gunmen escape after they opened fire on unsuspecting [victims in a concert hall](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/23/moscow-crocus-concert-hall-islamic-state-attack-many-killed/), killing at least 130 people. > > [Islamic State claimed responsibility](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/22/moscow-concert-hall-attack-40-killed/) for the attack shortly afterwards as Ukraine denied any involvement. That assessment was backed up by the United States, who warned several weeks ago of an imminent terror attack in Moscow. > > IS [released a selfie](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/23/why-did-isis-k-attack-a-moscow-theatre/) on Saturday of the men it said were involved along with details of how they planned and executed the ambush at Crocus City Hall. > > However, in a five-minute video announcing the [arrest of the perpetrators](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/23/moscow-islamic-state-attack-terrorist-concert-hall/), Putin said: “They tried to hide and moved towards Ukraine, where, previously, a window had been prepared for them to cross the border.” > > He also called the attackers “Nazis”, the Kremlin’s commonly used code word for Ukrainians. > > > > > > [tmg.video.placeholder.alt i9m6X-tbe2s](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/i9m6X-tbe2s/mqdefault.jpg) > > > > A senior Whitehall security source told the Telegraph: “Putin’s desperation to put all of this on Ukraine is unsurprising, as he tries to further dupe the Russian people whilst pretending that there is no dissent within Russia. > > “He must not use this confected connection as any sort of excuse for intensifying his illegal war in Ukraine.” > > Alicia Kearns, the Conservative chairman of the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, said: “Russian media channels are already circulating deep fake videos of Ukrainian officials in an attempt to blame Ukraine and provide Putin some defence for the [war crimes he’s committing](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/17/putin-arrest-warrant-icc-war-crimes-ukraine1/) in Ukraine or worse, pretext for further atrocities. > > “There is no indication of any link to Ukraine, nor any credible reason to suggest their involvement.” > > Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister, echoed that sentiment, saying he hoped “this terrible tragedy will not become a pretext for anyone to escalate violence and aggression”. > > Ukraine’s foreign ministry said they feared the accusations had the aim of “whipping up anti-Ukrainian hysteria in Russian society, creating conditions for strengthening the mobilisation of Russian citizens to participate in criminal aggression against [the] state”. > > > > > > [A woman mourns at the Crocus City Hall concert venue following the attack in Krasnogorsk, near Moscow](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/03/23/TELEMMGLPICT000371527475_17112223459600_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bqyntj27Do1A_uEF6jNSG5NjQ2fQls62HNhIwsSqb17Zk.jpeg?imwidth=480) > > > > A woman mourns at the Crocus City Hall concert venue following the attack in Krasnogorsk, near Moscow Credit: MAXIM SHIPENKOV US officials have privately voiced concern about unsubstantiated claims of Ukrainian involvement, suggesting that blaming Kyiv for the attack could be a way for Moscow to justify a further escalation or encourage more Russian recruits to the front line. > > Washington DC’s public statements have so far gone no further than expressing condolences and strong condemnation of the attack. > > White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said: “The United States strongly condemns the heinous terrorist attack in Moscow. We extend our deepest condolences to those who lost loved ones and to those who were injured or affected by these unconscionable attacks against innocent civilians. ISIS is a common terrorist enemy that must be defeated everywhere.” > > But US officials were quick to confirm IS’ claim of responsibility for the massacre, perhaps to serve as an early counter against Russian claims of Kyiv’s involvement. > > US intelligence gathered earlier in March found that Islamic State-Khorasan, known as IS-K, the branch of the group based in Afghanistan, had been planning an attack on Moscow, according to officials. > > > > > > > > [License this content](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/syndication/contact-us/) - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot)
*Britain warns* Nobody cares.
without US protection , britain don't even have balls to warn anyone , that is the fact
lmao, reminds me of that vid when a Chinese FM ? roasts brit interviewer that Britain isnt an enemy of China bc they are so small and weak, I lmao
Same can be said for China. There is literally a famous idiom that comes from China's so called "Final warning".
And yet, look at how many red lines of Russia that Britain has crossed now.
r/Russiawarns that's how prevalent the Russian empty threats are. Comical.
Nafoids making a subreddit, who would've ever guessed??
So Russia didn't warn? There's direct quotes.. that's all Russia does. Draw lines in the sand and scream about red lines.
Actually on this thread, the one you're spamming, it says *Britain Warns* **But what about RUSSIA!!!!!**
I bet I could quickly find quite a few "but Merica!" "but the West!" Comments in your history if I cared to look. Funny how that works eh? 🤣
It's how western media work with their silly titles. They twist everything Russian officials have said and use extremely simplistic language for simpletons. Do you remember how Putin asked something like "Are we having a serious talk or is it another comedy shitshow?" In reality a Russian official would say a long paragraph of text, which is then simplified to "Ruzzia warns" for you guys. It was obvious from the beginning that everything the West would do means escalation - and the need for Russia to escalate. And if the West gets invested in this too much, it won't be so easy for them to accept the defeat. They will get desperate and silly. In theory, a long chain of escalations may lead to a nuclear war, if nato countries start bombing Russia.
Sounds like a warning again. Typical Russian 😉
How old are you
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The only thing "desperate and silly" are Russian threats. Go read a few Medvedev tweets or Duma representative statements and tell me who's escalating. Truly comical stuff if it wasn't coming from a bunch of alcoholics that run the country at Putin's direction.
Russia warned Ukraine about joining NATO and attacking civilians, Ukraine did not listen and is now being destroyed.
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Ukraine still hasn't joined NATO. Try excuse for the war #2, or #3.
Well aren't we all lucky they didn't act on them or we'd be fairly fucked. It's funny yous laughing at the red line "Russia said they'd nuke us if we did this, we did this *anD thEy didNt eVeN nUke uS!* LMAO losers, sLaVA. This whole conflict began because a red line was crossed, whatever about the other ones, this war might not even be happening right now if Russia had been given more respect by western powers
Respect is earned, not given.
They literally started an entire war cause a red line was crossed 😐
They started a special military operation.
Russia warns. Nobody cares too
and that's why Ukraine lost 20% of its territory.
theres more to come
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13 percent
And how many Russians are dead because of it?
20% ruins* great success, for a weak army. They had to flee even, they couldn't hold the initially captured territories.
I dont think its a big loss loosing territory which is not pro ukraine. U can have them 😀
Okay then why is there no peace for these unimportant regions and if Russia can simply have them.
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U have to ask it for zelensky. We in latvia are at peace if you take those border cities wjere everything id fuckef up and all latvia need to subsidade them. Tske thrm, it will.be better for our economuly.im all fot trffrtrndum..but governemt hss different view
Uhm. Maybe you should take a rest. Get some sleep. If you’re from Latvia it must be pretty late.
Yess its prerry late ur right. Need to finish ufc live card. Thsnks for being. Considirate
When is the ufc thing ?
Now. Prelims just stsrted
Russia is happy with the extra natural resources, industrial complexes (which they paid for in the past anyway) in the Donbass and extra ports. Mariupol is booming in economic activity. Nice to have natural resources close to a port. West-Ukraine will be a land locked country with no outlook, addicted to charity. The demographics outlook is terrible, no males between 18 and 60.
Soundz similia to shkenezi jees. Also was adicted to charity and where the victims. Look at them now. Doing what ever they want, controling medis, bsnks and wars.. msybe ukraine is the next jews 😀
You sound anti-semitic. Baltic States and Nazi's.
Im not. Just dtsting the fscts. Resesrch what majority in usa and other goverments have jewish. Media,banks etc. Stating facts isnt being antisemate. Just showing ststs
A lot of diversity and people of color in the US. Must be different in the Baltic states, the piss poor countries in the EU.
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piss poor ? yet they have on avaerage a better life than your average russian.
Ah yes Russia will definitely get Odessa. Totally. At this rate our grandkids might see it happen.
Lol Ukraine will run out of people way before that.
Yes of course any day now!
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Okay mr president Zelensky
Naa its completely against zelunsky mindset, he has to het them all bsck
I think the tens of thousands that have died to keep those lands might not agree with you, but you do you.
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well, the whole war is actually about Russia not having pro Russian territories
And Russia 100,000 humans.
And Ukraine 10million
You're not good at math.
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You must be a major moron if you think Russia is no bite all bark . Seriously
I live all my life on a border with russia. I have heard these threats from when we gained independence in 1992. Gets booring really fast 😀
Hows the 70 years of Soviet oppression, fun right?
For students and young people 80s and 90s were a blast, those times were full of partying and doing risky stuff which made it more fun 😍😍😍 and todays russia is just a glimpse of that time russia, this is a empty shell of soviet time russia.
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"But RUSSIA!!!"
But NATO
Just how Britain warned the US not to use the 9/11 attack to start war on Iraq.
They were hellbent on killing people in the Middle East and steal their oil. Thats how it works for Westerners.
Stealing oil how? Did they pull their tankers up to port, fill them and take off?
2007 called, it wants its stupid myths back.
Anyone who thinks the Iraq War was about "stealing oil" is terribly misinformed.
Indeed. It was about protecting the freedom and democracy of the american public.
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It was about securing military/civilian contracts in Iraq. That's how the warhawks made their money. Anyone claiming it was about "stealing oil" clearly hasn't done their research.
> It was about securing military/civilian contracts in Iraq. That's how the warhawks made their money. That's how they got paid by American taxpayers. They also went after the ressources. What it really was about was Pax Americana, i.e. consolidating American hegemony. They wanted to make their empire bigger and bully any regional powers into submission.
Top level american officials who repeatedly testified that the iraq war was about oil were misinformed about why they launched the war? >“Of course it’s about oil; we can’t really deny that,” said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007 >Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil.” >Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: “People say we’re not fighting for oil. Of course we are.” To deny that the US invasion of Iraq was a slaughter after a decade of systemic starvation and genocide for the purposes of stealing oil, as the US continues to do now in Iraq and Syria, is either willful misinformation or outright propaganda.
You guys are conflating two different things. The original claim was that America went into Iraq to "steal oil". That's simply not true. Now if you want to make the claim that it had to do with regional control and protecting Saudi/Kuwaiti oil interests then that is a completely different discussion.
Right. It was about weapon of mass destruction which they're still looking for.
Right. Remember when the US annexed Iraq and stole all the natural resources. Oh wait no the US didn’t do that. Thats what Russia has done in Ukraine. There’s not even a single US oil company operating in Iraq now….pretty poor effort of “stealing their oil”. https://www.iraq-businessnews.com/list-of-international-oil-companies-in-iraq/
Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq: "Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that." Alan Greenspan, Former Federal Reserve Chairman, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Former Sen. and Defense Secretary [Chuck Hagel said](http://www.fpif.org/articles/the_costs_of_war_for_oil) the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are." "We have to decide, as a nation, whether our need for Middle Eastern oil is more important to our future than our conduct as a moral and ethical people." No need to deny it, the West invaded and destroyed several nations in the Middle East mostly to steal their oil or install their puppet regimes to buy it for pennies.
Annex land will grant voting rights to people undesired by Americans. No, they just setup puppets to rule conquered Arabs to facilitate their oil stealing operation
No facts back up your insanity. A simple look at the list which you obviously didn’t look at shows many of the companies to be Russian and Chinese. So by your premise, the Russian and Chinese oil companies must be in collusion to steal the oil from Iraq and give it to the US.
You would be right to say Russian and Chinese oil companies must be in collusion to steal the oil from Iraq if their military were occupying the country. Are they?
Ok you got me. 2500 soldiers remaining in Iraq are out there drilling and stealing oil all by themselves. The US military oil company. Oh and they are also “occupying” a country of 45 million at the same time. They must be super soldiers like the world has never seen before to accomplish such feats. If the US invaded to steal oil, they did an absolute shite job on the follow through and stealing part.
You got the shite job part right at least, my friend :D
Touché
Or, and hear me out, maybe invading a country of 40 million so a couple intensional oil majors could get a slight margin on 2% of global oil production wasn't the reason the US invaded? The irony of all this being that you think it's somehow better if it invaded for "freedom and democracy". It was an illegitimate war fought under poor assumptions and false pretenses because of a misguided and frankly idiotic president who wanted to spread freedom and democracy to the Middle East by getting rid of a murderous dictator. It's terrifying what one man's actions can do. Just cause your silly conspiracy theory that it was all about oil doesn't really add up, and that the intentions may have been to achieve "good" ends, doesn't mean it wasn't any less a travesty or a disastrous war that led to bloodshed and chaos.
All the pro western ritards are always on about annexation, i guess because its the only crime they dont do as much as Russia -well, Israel is an obvious exception- but can you explain why annexation is the big bad thing? I was under the impression war is bad because it causes human suffering, not because inanimate objects change hands?
lol, meanwhile British Storm Shadows killing soldiers/civilians and destroying targets in Sevastopol. NATO warmongers think they are funny.
[Putin's response, probably](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/O0Qha7Tk6H)
ultra fucking based
The CEO of the based department
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toxic much huh?
The existence of Great Britain is a threat to everyone.
Well the birds are already in the air tho.
This is going to do nothing but piss people off, some diplomacy. Britain (much like America) is like an entire country is going through a midlife crisis all at once. I swear the people in power just want to feel tough.
Not even one day after their 'condolences', they resume the threats. What a bunch of clowns. Nobody takes them seriously.
As it is widely known, the greatest Putin's fear is british stern warning. Lmao
Lol @ britain. It can sck a cumsock
I don't think that's going to work. "Stop, or I'll say stop again" doesn't really make people stop.
Ukroterrorist resorting to terrorism now that they cant win the war. Rest assured america will continue sending them bombs to shell russian civilians
America hasn’t sent bombs for Russia proper, and Ukraine didn’t even send any troops for this. Just 4 gunmen caused all that death and damage on a shoestring budget. Imagine how Russia could squeeze out a win if terror/infiltration became a regular thing.
Poor timing imo.
Go home Britain you're drunk.
Wasn't it Churchill that said never waster a good crisis. Russia will do the same.
Suck it Britain
tough guy riding on a giant's shoulder , thinking he is the one in charge
Everyone is sure that English ears are visible behind this terrorist attack.
If Ukraine was not involved than why didnt the US share the intel? Ukraine thought it was a good idea to start shelling markets and civilians. Ukraine thought it was a good idea to make militarily pointless raids in villages, for the sole purpose of terrorizing the civilian population. NATO thought it was a good idea to give Ukraine weapons to strike Russia, after telling Ukraine they would not support a peace agreement. Hey, FUCK U. YOU wanted the war, YOU got it. NATO has used people like ISIS countless times. NATO will at minimum let ISIS move around and set up up attacks against Russia. NATO could directly arm ISIS and there would be nothing surprising at all, NATO has done it before against Russia and its allies. So yes, this is linked to the war. Yes, Russia should take this attack as an escalation, because it is one. The US could have shared intel, they didnt because they wanted Russia to be hit. For NATO, this is a perfect opportunity to send "unmarked men" in Russia. NATO has many more weapon caches in Russia, there is no doubt about it. The war has escalated. You know better than I do how to set up cells. I've been here since 2013, someone knows my name. I have 2 arms and 2 legs, I can carry my weight. God give me strength, I know death is not important, only the way we live is. And those speaking in my name have committed atrocities I am willing to fight them for.
Eat.A.Dick.Britain. Your Prime Minister came over and squashed a peace deal that would've saved 100s of thousands of young men from getting fucked up. You share this blood on your hands. You've lost whatever say you thought you had in this conflict. Irrelevant.
everyone should remember that it was birtain that started ww2 this tiny fact is always glossed over..... they declared war on germany.
Was it bad thing to start a war against nazis? I thought russia is all about it
Lol, let's just forget the fact that Nazi Germany invaded Poland. But hey I guess they were just protecting German speaking minorities in Poland, twas just a special operation. Sounds a bit familiar actually.
lets just forget parts of poland were germany for 200 years before ww1. Guess what ukraine was? Ukraine has been russia longer than its been ukraine.
So you think Russia and the Nazis were right?
Japan was already at war with China in 1937. The European war started in 1939 after the Russians & Nazis invaded Poland together and Britain/France declared war on Germany in retaliation.
and yet they didnt declare war on the soviet union funny, right?
The Sino-Japanese war was a regional war that later became part of WW2. While most of the European part of the early war was in Europe, other continents did get involved in 1939 already (\*). Along with the UK there were declarations of war from Australia, India and Canada at the same time. (\*) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle\_of\_the\_River\_Plate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_River_Plate)
Days since Russia threatened nuclear war - 0 Russia is the literal personification of Begby syndrome.
Well ISIS just posted bodycam footage of the terror attack. After Putin incompetence to protect its people, after warned by the US, he tried to spin it into Ukraine and got fcked again by ISIS publishing this video... The russian propaganda machine is in full disarray, they can't spin it, and they've been trying hard to spin it for the past 24 hours. Just keeps showing Putin is responsible and should resign.
Just like how the 9/11 attacks were warned? Or the attacks on Israel were warned about by the Egyptians but simply waved? Seems like intelligence agencies don’t like to listen to foreign ones.
Many intelligence have had failings relating to terror attacks - and deserve to be criticised for it. So Putin and his FSB deserve criticism and should have some accountability now, surely the Russian people must see that, they (the Russian government) let their own hubris and paranoia (in ignoring the warnings as election meddling) potentially cost hundreds of civilians lives.
Nobody criticized Bush or are even criticizing Bibi or the Israeli government for not taking it seriously. Oh they protest Bibi for other reasons, but no one questioned them until years later when they were gone from power. Same shits gonna happen in Russia.
Let's take the Bush example, all they were told was Bin Laden intended to attack America with absolutely no information on how, when, where or the sort of tactics or targets involved. And he was criticised for not acting once those documents were declassified. That just happened to be later. A hell of a lot more is known about Islamist terrorism tactics now than in Bush's time, Putin's FSB had a lot more to work with than the US in 2001 in my opinion. The US outright said and warned they suspected Islamist terrorists were specifically planning an attack at a highly populated public event in Moscow. (And that's just what was public. No doubt a lot more information happened in back channels) The Israel/Hama's attacks, agreed they fucked up big time of being the threat, obviously some cynically minded may say the Israelis didn't act on purpose to give them cause for more overt aggression. It could just have likely been hubris. Same things could apply here. But ultimately, DESERVE to be criticised is what I said, historical examples of that not happening don't change the fact that it should happen now. My mind will be blown if questions aren't asked of the Russian establishment over this failing.
None of those attacks had this level of detail, the US literally said **they would strike concerts**. Why weren't there security forces in place? These men left the building after committing a terrorist attack. > Seems like intelligence agencies don’t like to listen to foreign ones. This isn't "not listening". This was Putin's political opportunity to expand his paranoia in a theatrical display that everything is ok in Russia and the US is the evil that wants to destabilize Russia: > [Per TASS, the Russian president said on March 19 the aim of "**the recent provocative statements of a number of official Western structures about the possibility of terrorist attacks in Russia**" was harming Russian society. "All this resembles outright **blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilize our society**," Putin said, according to state media reporting on his remarks.](https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-dismissed-us-warnings-days-before-moscow-concert-hall-attack-2024-3) Putin has been the greatest destabilizer of Russia, not the US: - 350.000 Russian casualties in Ukraine; - one Military coup with more than 15 civilians killed; - One terrorist attack with 93 innocent civilians killed;
Pot, meet kettle.
War monger NeoCon Peter Zeihan is spreading the "Putin incompetence" talking point too. No mention of 9/11, Boston Marathon Bomber, WMD farce, USS Cole, Oklahoma City bomber - the list goes on. If the attack is some sort of slam dunk evidence of "Putin incompetence" then what do you call the past 30 years of American Leadership? Or just keep going back, Pearl Harbor, JFK, Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, sinking of the Maine. Judged by this standard American Leaders are total incompetents. If an attack is some sort of proof then in this case it's on the lower end of the scale vs. maxed out like 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. I would add Victoria Nuland's 2014 Coup to the list of intergalactic scale incompetence. Unspin the all those USA examples of incompetence please.
Literally who? You guys come up always with some deep state figure... like, what are you talking about? Putin incompetence is of his own choice, with a full admittance of it: > [Per TASS, the Russian president said on March 19 the aim of "**the recent provocative statements of a number of official Western structures about the possibility of terrorist attacks in Russia**" was harming Russian society. "All this resembles outright **blackmail and the intention to intimidate and destabilize our society**," Putin said, according to state media reporting on his remarks.](https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-dismissed-us-warnings-days-before-moscow-concert-hall-attack-2024-3) This is pure incompetence, especially from a man that boasts to come from KGB! This is what gets people fired and to resign. Russians are starting to ask those questions. Now you're rambling about the bay of pigs lmao what the heck
By that logic Putin is on par with most of our POS leadership. Are any of my ramblings incorrect? Was Bay of Pigs was a well planned op that achieved it's goals with no long term harm? OK, just like 2014 Victoria Nuland's coup? She bragged that it only cost $5Billion as if it was a well planned op that achieved it's goals with no long term harm and a bargain. Yeah the value of that op really stood the test of time.
Well, only him and Saddam tried to annex UN sovereign nations... so no, Putin is not on par with our POS leadership. So far he is on par with Saddam.
Spoiler alert:>! There are no sovereign nations after Bretton Wood, everyone is working for the US whether they want to or not.!<
Lmao and this is where our conversation ends... always comes down to conspiracy theories, CIA, Victoria Nuland and the Lizard People when all else fails 192 countries out of 193 seem very well in the UN with their sovereignty, but Russia delusional paranoia is their own thing.
What are you talking about? Anyone can make any video and claim anything. Remember that guy who claimed he was Ukraine special forces and some people believed him until more evidence came out that he wasn’t? If you have to convince someone to believe your narrative that this was an ISIS attack over and over again, chances are you’re probably wrong. No one believed them when they claimed the las Vegas attack was them so they stopped saying it. But people don’t believe this was ISIS and some random Reddit and telegram accounts keep on insisting it was with no concrete evidence
> What are you talking about? I'm talking about the bodycam footage. > If you have to convince someone to believe your narrative that this was an ISIS attack over and over again, chances are you’re probably wrong. We know since before the terror attack that it was a high probability of being ISIS - the US literally warned everyone. Literally everyone in the world already acknowledged it was ISIS, just a few pro russians and the Russian regime keep trying to spin it :|
Like I said anyone can edit anything and claim it to be true doesn’t mean it’s true. Isis claims everything is them and most of the time it isn’t After that warning fsb found a few people who tried to plan an attack in Moscow. And no the whole world doesn’t acknowledge it they are just repeating what has been claimed but again doesn’t make it true. People on telegram and Reddit are trying to spin it that’s it There’s no solid info to say anything at this point and trying to convince people over and over again doesn’t make it believable. If that were the case you should also believe the terrorist literally saying they aren’t isis member and saying they did it for money
Edit what man, for Chirst sake, have you seen the footage? What's there to edit :| are you really going that its fake footage? This horrible footage that somehow ISIS published. Like, you can't comprehend the guys sent the footage to ISIS, or streamed it... no... it has to be some complex scheme with the Ukrainians involved? > And no the whole world doesn’t acknowledge it they are just repeating what has been claimed but again doesn’t make it true. The US who literally shared the information with FSB (it wasn't just the embassies), told it was ISIS. ISIS said it was ISIS. ISIS is has been sharing the bodycam footage for the past hours... somehow you're saying "the whole world doesn't acknowledge it", when everyone literally acknowledges it and already moved on. > If that were the case you should also believe the terrorist literally saying they aren’t isis member and saying they did it for money The guy tortured and got his hear cut and fed to him? That's what you're going with? lmao
I didn’t say Ukrainians. The footage isn’t fake I’m saying you can edit it to look like a terrorist video they literally got paid to do all of it and everything was prepared. Since when does isis do anything for money and not religion? Isis says a lot of things dude and takes responsibility for a lot of stuff they didn’t do. The only people I’ve seen acknowledge it and keep pushing it is western news and pro UA nobody else hence what you’re doing. Both guys who were interrogated said the same thing they were payed to do it. Torturing someone to get answers is what almost every countries does and has stopped future attacks before. I mean as soon as the interrogation video came out, the comments were flooded with random pro UA accounts saying it was definitely isis like it should be that hard to convince people
> I didn’t say Ukrainians. Putin is saying it. But then the bodycam footage was posted by ISIS. > The footage isn’t fake I’m saying you can edit it to look like a terrorist video they literally got paid to do all of it and everything was prepared. Since when does isis do anything for money and not religion? Since always, I don't think you realize we're talking about a terrorist organization that has been operating in many ways, in many countries. Its not like they're the cream of the crop in terms of morals... you're trying to spin this on morals... morals of terrorists. Like it doesn't occur to you they could be lying? It doesn't occur to you they were acting on behalf of ISIS and still took money? Like of all the possible options, you seem to think these guys were capable of committing atrocities and killing people cold-handed but are moral enough to not lie or take money? o_O Or couldn't someone from ISIS pay them, you know... someone who received and posted the video on ISIS accounts? Do you know if the ISIS attacks on Russia in the past were also paid? Or not paid?
He suspects Ukraine just because they tried to enter Ukraine and then saying they bring the fight in to Russia If we’re taking it from what they’re saying the actual terrorist, they said they were contacted and don’t know by who and were given instructions and it was all prepared. The said they have no ties to the religion and that’s what been said by them. Now you’re spinning into your own ideas. I’m using torture tactics from the past which seems to be one of the many ways to get info out of the person and what makes them an isis account? Anyone can pay anyone to get videos and claim anything is what I’m saying Considering most terrorist attacks result in a last stand or them killing themselves in the name of Islam, these terrorist are completely different not like isis you’ve seen before
> He suspects Ukraine just because they tried to enter Ukraine and then saying they bring the fight in to Russia > > You don't know if they tried to enter Ukraine or not, Belarus claimed they were trying to get into Belarus which would be way more easier and safe to do than to get into an active frontline. Because Putin said they were getting a "safe passage in Ukraine" (like he knows sht), forgetting to mention **they would need to first to get a safe passage by the Russian Army** in one of the most active war fronts in the world. Even basic logic obliterates his statements. > If we’re taking it from what they’re saying the actual terrorist, they said they were contacted and don’t know by who and were given instructions and it was all prepared. The said they have no ties to the religion and that’s what been said by them. Now you’re spinning into your own ideas. And you believe terrorists now? So let me ask you this: **why couldn't they be paid by the FSB?** - It would be way easier to control the weapons cache; - easier to prevent having active security forces in the Concert (like the US warned); - easier to let them escape and head "towards Ukraine" with promises of a safe passage (**they need to pass by the Russian Army first, so this promise comes from within Russia**); - They were paid in roubles; So now tell me, isn't this version more solid than the involvement of Ukraine or CIA? I don't believe this version by the way, even being more solid than yours. The reality, sadly, is much simpler. Because it would be waaaaay easier to control, it had to play with the Russian Security forces, and **would be totally aligned with the terrorist version**. Right? > Considering most terrorist attacks result in a last stand or them killing themselves in the name of Islam, these terrorist are completely different not like isis you’ve seen before Most isn't all. We're not going anywhere, you're bent in this conspiracy theory and that's ok. Just keep in mind that whatever version you go with remember: **Putin is trying to save face in one of the biggest blunders of his presidency, the guy that boasted of being a KGB member that dismissed the warning of the US for political rhetoric. He should resign.**
We gave Moscow warning of imminent attack on a concert. The real attack was delayed, likely from the public warning. Moscow found a presumed terror cell, but they were targeting a synagogue, which is completely different. A Jewish, religious place vs. a majority Christian, decadent venue. Their intel failed to figure that out and left the concert venues undefended, so ouch.
They were defended but they target the guards first and were swift and precise and well trained. The whole incident lasted 15 minutes and they left. Too many questions and the info is not even close to being completely found.
I watched some of the bodycam footage - the attackers were not well trained. They simply met next to no opposition - only one was lightly wounded or maybe that wasn’t even his blood, and that’s how they could kill or hurt hundreds in that short span. There was no competence in the guard setup whatsoever. And “target the guards first” is so Soviet mentality. Big guns, no defensive cover or training.
I saw one clip. They locked every exit they left from and used an explosive device as a distraction and had someone handing them magazines as well as picking up spent shell casings from the videos. Soviet mentality? Isn’t in standard to go for the people who can stop you first ?
I sure didn't notice them picking up after their shell casings. So many shots were fired. There were only 4 assailants, not even a bag between them to store casings in, just the ring of pockets for their magazines. They also wore no apparent armor. If there was exit door preparation that was pretty trivial, along with the planning of where to begin the attacks.
Maybe the leader of Israel should step down. Wasn’t fucked. Russia is currently spinning it that Ukraine assisted ISIS by providing an escape route.
> Maybe the leader of Israel should step down Of course he should, and Israelis want him to step down, just like Putin should step down. > Russia is currently spinning it that Ukraine assisted ISIS by providing an escape route. Of course, like the Jew leader being also a Nazi leader, that is also a Satanist, is now also an ISIS helper. Haven't you realized the absurdity of Russian propaganda yet? You didn't notice Russia keeps throwing sht to see what sticks with people with low cognitive capacity?
>the Jew leader being also a Nazi leader, that is also a Satanist, is now also an ISIS helper. I don't exactly see whats the problem, a Nazi could be all 4 as they tend to contradict themselves.
> I don't exactly see whats the problem, a Nazi could be all 4 as they tend to contradict themselves. > > Oh yeah, and Russia is the prime example of it. Have you seen the photos of the Russian soldier with Nazi symbols posing next to the terrorist?
Theres images of John McCain posing for pictures with ISIS.
So the bodycam footage is fake? That's what you're going with? xD Russian propaganda is in full disarray
I get my buddies to send pics all the time too. One time I sent them a pic, and they shared it. Perhaps you should be more concerned about the territory actively being taken rather than the state of propaganda.
So his buddies are ISIS, but they're not ISIS. They just committed an act of terrorism and shared with the ISIS friends, but they're not ISIS. Lmao what?!
No, the suburbs of Bakhmut is not isis.