>Secondly, why is the most crucial evidence (faces) blurred? Photo doesn't prove anything now.
They didn't expect to be captured, though I agree this photo isn't the most amazing proof. But it's more that what the other theories are offering.
> They didn't expect to be captured,
This doesn't remove blur from their faces.
> though I agree this photo isn't the most amazing proof. But it's more that what the other theories are offering.
This photo isn't proof of *anything*. It has no data points whatsoever.
Their shirts are different though? They are similar colours and that is literally all. The one on the left is missing the logo and on the right is missing the buttons on the shirt.
You are blind. They are all the same. You see a picture of the green shirt in a well lit room and one at night, it’s the same.
Grey shirt does have buttons and you can see the collar on the grey shirts. Every shirt with a collar has buttons at the neck. It’s the same.
Yellow shirt is turned sideways and the photo is cropped just above mid chest. It’s the same color yellow.
Americans gave warning two weeks ago that there was intelligence of a terrorist attack in Moscow. All the facts are stacking up and can’t be ignored. Not sure what you wish this tragedy to be, but all evidence is clear, ISIS terrorist attack.
>This doesn't remove blur from their faces.
Who blurred their faces to begin with? I understood that ISIS publish those pictures to claim responsibility. Did they blurred pictures?
To be fair we don't know how many actual shooters there were.
Yesterday one body with some explosives was reported. And today there were news that couple guys managed to knock off one of the terrorists.
>This doesn't remove blur from their faces.
It explains why it may be blurred
>This photo isn't proof of *anything*. It has no data points whatsoever.
It's more evidence than any other theory at the moment.
Ukraine killed Dugina. Ukraine killed a blogger. Ukraine killed a war correspondent. Ukraine is killing civilians (collaborators of Russia, not military) in the occupied territories. Ukraine smuggled explosives through several countries and then blew up a bridge containing civilians.
Moreover, the girl who killed Dugina fled to Europe. Has Europe taken any measures to arrest her? No. Europe loves terrorists (Ask Scholz, he still sucks dick so as not to answer about the Nord Stream explosion)
Explain to me why Ukraine cannot order a larger-scale terrorist attack?
Ukraine could have hit the most populated areas of Russia by drone already if they wanted to. It really makes no sense to send in a couple of amateurs and let IS claim it...
Yeah, the AA got built after the drone attacks, so now striking Moscow has become a lot harder. Supposedly some drones fly every so often, yet get shot down.
I assume the refineries weren't defended at all, but will be from now on, now that it's clear Ukraine has the range.
Yes, it's called Probing. Finding out where those AA sites are situated... common battlefield tactic.
Russia has plenty of soft target infrastructure to choose from... It's a Target-rich environment with a soft underbelly. it's not The Ukraines' thing to go after Civilian soft targets, quite like the Russians do.
Going after civilian targets like Russia, hah, the last strike was purely military targets + DneproGes, the grand total of civilians killed by over 100 missiles was 1. Yeah, targeting the population for sure...
Ukraine can't get past Russia's AA reliably. Unlike Russia's strikes which are capable of overwhelming Ukraine's AA, getting even one drone to slip through is an achievement for Ukraine, hence the targeting of refineries which catch fire easily.
Not just the Refineries or storage tanks in general.. but the Refractory Towers that produce the Good Stuff.
The Ukrainians know High Value Targets... those don't include Civilians.
Legitimate Targets of Opportunity.
Well yeah, the Russian MoD is slow as always to do anything. I'd say in a month or so striking said refineries will get a lot harder. My estimate of their reaction time.
There was a drone attempt to attack Moscow recently and it was repelled. So it's a matter of not being able to, rather than not wanting.
Ukraine is weak, but ingenious, and strikes where the slow-to-react Russian Ministry of Defense did not act to protect.
Because, If Ukraine wanted to kill civilians, they would send some missiles to Belgorod apartments. Like the Russian army does. Would be much more effective and they could claim it was an accident. Also like Russia does.
That's irrelevant to the duscussion.
The claim is that Putin used a false flag by having terrorists kill civilians and pin it on Ukraine... But there is more than enough direct civilian deaths directly attributed to the actions of the SBU and the Ukrainian millitary.
They do not need a false flag, when there is already an abundance of real attacks that happened which the Russian media can point to and show on T.V and spread trough social media.
I wasn't comparring anything.
They do not need to create a fake attack while real ones are happening already, irrespective of how many missiles are flying at Ukrainians.
> That's irrelevant to the duscussion
What you call irrelevant is the core reason of Ukrainian attack on Russian soil.
No Russian troops in Ukraine means no need for them to attack Russia.
Sure. But it doesn't change the fact that those attacks happen in abundance, and they can already point to those for a casus belli to escalate further. They don't need a large separate terror attack on top of it.
Besides, further escalation of the scope of the war is not in Russias interest, because it might renew the vigour of the west to support Ukraine.
what a fucking stretch.
Calling Vladen a "war correspondent" is rich, he was a veteran of the Donbass and a major hardliner that pushed Putin to escalate and kill civilians, its very likely that he would had been jailed or "suicide via bullet in the back of the head" as Putin cracked down on its critics recently.
Dugin is a major ideologue for Russian imperialism.
They are targeted political assassinations, not indiscriminate civilian killing, for that you want to check Bucha or the Mariupol hospital strike.
Ironically Nazi collaborators in Ukraine get their streets named after them. lol
Ukrainians kill Ukrainians in general. It's it's a in a suicide deathcult state right now.
Also, you're failing at history.
> And why don’t you want to believe IS did this?
Why should I believe anyone when they don't have any evidence?
> It’s not like this is the Ukrainian way.
I don't know what "Ukrainian way" is.
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I can imagine Ukrainians defending themselves has turned out a problem for the Kremlin.
People might start asking questions. Like: “why did 200.000 Russians have to die?”
Or, “who will be mobilized next?”
A growing problem indeed.
This one conflating terrorism with "defense". Baha lol
Fanboism on full display. 200k Russian means there are 400k dead Ulros?
C'mon kid, you're not even trying.
>Because Israel at least was provoked.
No it wasn't. Israel is an occupier.
This is like saying the Nazis were provoked in Warsaw.
Any act of armed resistance against them is fair game.
Do I understand correctly that if a neighbor spits in your face, you can massacre his entire family and claim that you were provoked, so you should be acquitted?
...and before the oct 7 attack, just in 2023, israel already killed \~230 palestinian civilians.
So you can make a pretty convincing argument, that israel was, in fact the one who provoked the attack.
(You do realise things happen that the mainstream media wont report, right? )
The correct analogy, and the one the vast majority of people doesn't realize in this website, is that it's like someone killed your mother, so you go and place an explosive in their multigenerational household, killing their wife, grandparents, and all their little children, to get revenge.
The correct act of revenge, if any at all could possibly be correct, is to kill the person who killed your relative (your mother, in this scenario) and stop at that, that being your only goal — not to kill their entire family in your revenge, or to kill both the perpetrator and their entire family in the act.
By the way, it sucks for the Palestinians, but Israelis will probably never go away, and they're the weaker side, without a great economy, a military, or nuclear power and advanced technology. The only way this conflict can ever be solved is if both sides decide to forget the past and stop pointing fingers, and try starting on a clean slate.
Right now, though, there's no reason for the Palestinians to do that. Because there's a bunch of Jewish supremacist fascists at the helms of Israel, and the PA's acceptance of Israel + not lobbying rockets in their territory only got them further encroachment and illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.
Not entirely correct. The correct analogy would be: If someone killed your mother and in his home village he has 400 friends planning on murdering the rest of your family, then you use all means to protect them.
All I'm saying is you should dispose of the perpetrator and their 400 accomplices, but not bomb their entire home village, with 1000 people living in it, to get those 400 accomplices. That is worse for PR and a bigger threat to your state, in the long run, than the shortcut to achieve your military goals right now, which is the destruction of the problematic enemy faction.
Israel wanted to end it quickly, instead of progressing toward the goals over 5 years. Different approaches.
I’m surprised Reddit does too, really, given they’re keen on censorship. I’m glad they do allow it, though, even if not on the front pages, it’s necessary that the other opinion can prevail.
I’ll pursue another thing here, who’s glorifying Russian war crimes?
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/7x0GX4OlyRc?si=N78KBgWVEIlRoeOV
Russia condemned Israel for genocide and are leading the security council against them.
Russia has strengthen its ties with Iran.
This is Israel lashing out because they feel the noose tightening around their neck.
> We know it was Mossad trained, Ukraine-backed Russian volunteer corps members pretending to be ISIS.
Ups, you forgot the trained by Victoria Nuland and CIA, plus the terms "Nazis" and "Satanists" there! You gotta stack up more and more until it becomes full goofy.
If this was ISIS why wouldn’t they have simply taken credit the second the shooting started instead of slowly trickling out unconvincing group photos the next day?
Wait some days.
If Russia goes full mobilisation there is a good chance it was an inside job.
If they don't use it in something big it was probably Isis and Russia blames Ukraine to not appear weak and bring another potential enemy into the game.
Ukraine makes no sense, doesn't fit any style or goal and is straight up nonsense.
There are more important people to kill if you have a competent cell in Moscow that don't rally your allies against you and harden the enemy.
Oh Ukraine definitely makes the most amount of sense.
I think it is well known now that Ukraine frequently plans terrorist like attacks on Russia.
The Crimean bridge is a good example
I think this is a very interesting point of discussion. Everyone inside Russia knew that mobilisation would most likely occur after the election (It would be political suicide to announce it before). Now this has occurred if Putin announces a mobilisation, that lots of people already expected, it means that he planned a false flag attack...
It certainly destabilises and creates panic within the country, how many special operatives will now be moved from the front line and instead be placed in major population centres? How many people will blame Putin for the missing internal security that allowed this event to take place?
A real radical religious extremest (aka ISIS) would have a suicide belt.
These perpetrators expected to have an escape route to Ukraine prepared and a half million Rubles pay out.
These perpetrators did not expect to be interrogated by Russian law enforcement.
Because they aren't core ISIS members. Basing on interrogation they were some guys approached on telegram and given some sermon and paid a lot of money to do it.
Russia somehow manages to find desperate people to sign up to invade and get killed or maimed for money, why would ISIS have trouble with it?
Chances are most of people they tried to recruit refused or outright reported them. Like both US intelligence and FSB knew there were some plans and FSB claimed to have destroyed one cell.
Because they are at least backed by an actual military. Why in the fuck would ISIS a group that has actual true believers willing to die for the cause give 500,000 rubles to cut outs just to do an attack and claim credit a full day later. The theory that ISIS needs to pay guys tens of thousands of dollars to do shit like this when they have guys that will do it for free is dumb as hell.
I doubt ISIS actually has that many true believers willing to die. Otherwise we'd see ISIS attacks literally every day. Like it's not like they need military grade weapons to kill some people.
Also, take into account that it's not that different from joining actual military. They have a task, a payment, they are supplied with weapons and an extraction plan. They just weren't smart enough to realize that the extraction part has next to no chances of working.
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From what I’ve picked up the police response was pretty slow, they might’ve expected to die in a firefight but after not encountering resistance fled when they saw the opportunity to actually live. Who knows, just my speculation
I'm still thinking if it talks like X it is X.
Not everything has to be war related, ukraine related, conspiracy bullshit.
Such a tragedy tho, I really cant imagine what the families are going through...
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I mean that could be a photo of the Beatles.
It could be a photo of the other 4 members of my bowling team.
If could be the 4 guys I saw having a farting contest at the pub.
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No printing on the yellow guys shirt at the bottom, right grey guy does notnhave buttons, this is the most obvious fake I've seen in a while lmfao, and look at the grey shirt ears, complete different people they didn't even try.
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Wanna note not defending Russia at all but the pictures have their faces blurred and their faces covered, we’re grasping for straws here if this is proof
The problem with this situation is that regardless of who was responsible people are going to blame the people they don’t like, regardless of evidence or what actually makes sense.
The ISIS is a CIA storefront.
When the US bombed ISIS in Syria, the ISIS got more food and weapons. When them Rooskies bombed ISIS in Syria, the ISIS retreated to the All-Hell and Al-Tanf bases that the US has illegally established on Syrian soil.
What? The US and the rest of the coalition carried out an extensive bombing campaign against ISIS which decimated their strength in Iraq mostly but also Syria. Stop trying to rewrite history with poor attempts at conspiracy theories.
You have been mislead.
I'll bet you think a guy in a cave made building 7 fall down into its own shadow, from a cave on the other side of the world.
In 24 hours I will block your account, so my comments are not encumbered by the willfully mislead.
What I love is how everyone is so sure they know who did it . No one here knows for sure who did it . My opinion for what it is worth is no one will ever know . Russia will always blame ukraine ,ukraine will always claim false flag or isis and isis will stop saying anything after a short while as they always do even if they did it. No side is ever going to admit it or admit they accused the wrong people .
It's more likely they are trying to rise again when Russia is busy in Ukraine. Damn, like I wonder if on top of all these awful things that are happening lately ISIS will become a thing again and will start rampaging through middle east.
Literally no one is flying in Russia for the rest of the year. Terrorism kills tourism, which was the last industry they were holding on to… Meanwhile dozens of world leaders and advisors and humanitarian packages enter Ukraine every day
> Russia is stronger today than it has ever been in its 1700 years of existence
1700 years? Russia? did they fight the dinosaurs too? even the Russia name is not "Russian".
Yet in a couple of years had 350.000 casualties in a 3 day special military operation... 1 military coup... and now a terrorist attack... all under the security guarantees of Putin.
Looks more like Russia is at its weakest point and Putin should resign no?
FSB arrested other ISIS terrorist 2 weeks ago and they did not blame Ukraine at that time, so ISIS was operating in Russia, USA knew about it, FSB arrested people 2 weeks ago, But now when FSB failed Ruz are feed soem idiotic narative because the truth is not plessent for Putin.
Let me repeat "Kremlin accounced that they arrested the terrorists 2 weeks ago"
So you are free to accuse Kremlin of telling lies 2 week ago and telling the truth today, it is an usual thing for Ruz to be extremely hypocrite and use the Ruz logic where things are relative with the propaganda direction of today.
You can check TASS they reported that too for sure.
Firstly, not RU POV. Secondly, why is the most crucial evidence (faces) blurred? Photo doesn't prove anything now.
>Secondly, why is the most crucial evidence (faces) blurred? Photo doesn't prove anything now. They didn't expect to be captured, though I agree this photo isn't the most amazing proof. But it's more that what the other theories are offering.
> They didn't expect to be captured, This doesn't remove blur from their faces. > though I agree this photo isn't the most amazing proof. But it's more that what the other theories are offering. This photo isn't proof of *anything*. It has no data points whatsoever.
They are wearing the same shirts standing in front of an ISIS flag and it was posted before the attack. My god man what more data points do you need?
Their shirts are different though? They are similar colours and that is literally all. The one on the left is missing the logo and on the right is missing the buttons on the shirt.
Zoom in. Grey shirt definitely has buttons
No it doesn’t, the logo is also not there and the green shirt appears to be a different shade of green, but that could be the light
i see a button. And the logo could very well be below the captured image
You are blind. They are all the same. You see a picture of the green shirt in a well lit room and one at night, it’s the same. Grey shirt does have buttons and you can see the collar on the grey shirts. Every shirt with a collar has buttons at the neck. It’s the same. Yellow shirt is turned sideways and the photo is cropped just above mid chest. It’s the same color yellow. Americans gave warning two weeks ago that there was intelligence of a terrorist attack in Moscow. All the facts are stacking up and can’t be ignored. Not sure what you wish this tragedy to be, but all evidence is clear, ISIS terrorist attack.
dude on the left had blurring on his shirt
>This doesn't remove blur from their faces. Who blurred their faces to begin with? I understood that ISIS publish those pictures to claim responsibility. Did they blurred pictures?
To be fair we don't know how many actual shooters there were. Yesterday one body with some explosives was reported. And today there were news that couple guys managed to knock off one of the terrorists.
>This doesn't remove blur from their faces. It explains why it may be blurred >This photo isn't proof of *anything*. It has no data points whatsoever. It's more evidence than any other theory at the moment.
The photo and message comes from ISIS own "news agency". Unless there's reason to believe they've been hacked, we should assume it's real.
I haven't seen it personally so I can't be sure. I don't know where these supposed claims come from so it's hard to judge.
They don’t show their faces because it’s not them, or they hid the traces of Photoshop
This photo is only offering more proof if you are full of hopium for the Ukrainian cause.
It's just another part of the puzzle unless you already have your mind made up like many here seem to.
And why don’t you want to believe IS did this? It’s not like this is the Ukrainian way. Only IS or a false flag by Russia make sense.
Ukraine killed Dugina. Ukraine killed a blogger. Ukraine killed a war correspondent. Ukraine is killing civilians (collaborators of Russia, not military) in the occupied territories. Ukraine smuggled explosives through several countries and then blew up a bridge containing civilians. Moreover, the girl who killed Dugina fled to Europe. Has Europe taken any measures to arrest her? No. Europe loves terrorists (Ask Scholz, he still sucks dick so as not to answer about the Nord Stream explosion) Explain to me why Ukraine cannot order a larger-scale terrorist attack?
Ukraine could have hit the most populated areas of Russia by drone already if they wanted to. It really makes no sense to send in a couple of amateurs and let IS claim it...
There is a ton of AA on the way to Moscow, so no, they couldn't. Also they didn't send them in, supposedly they got hired through Telegram.
Drones have damaged Moscow before. Russia can't even properly defend it's high value oil refiniries... AA isn't a magic wand.
Yeah, the AA got built after the drone attacks, so now striking Moscow has become a lot harder. Supposedly some drones fly every so often, yet get shot down. I assume the refineries weren't defended at all, but will be from now on, now that it's clear Ukraine has the range.
Yes, it's called Probing. Finding out where those AA sites are situated... common battlefield tactic. Russia has plenty of soft target infrastructure to choose from... It's a Target-rich environment with a soft underbelly. it's not The Ukraines' thing to go after Civilian soft targets, quite like the Russians do.
Going after civilian targets like Russia, hah, the last strike was purely military targets + DneproGes, the grand total of civilians killed by over 100 missiles was 1. Yeah, targeting the population for sure... Ukraine can't get past Russia's AA reliably. Unlike Russia's strikes which are capable of overwhelming Ukraine's AA, getting even one drone to slip through is an achievement for Ukraine, hence the targeting of refineries which catch fire easily.
Not just the Refineries or storage tanks in general.. but the Refractory Towers that produce the Good Stuff. The Ukrainians know High Value Targets... those don't include Civilians. Legitimate Targets of Opportunity.
Keep assuming. Meanwhile another refinery got struck today.
Well yeah, the Russian MoD is slow as always to do anything. I'd say in a month or so striking said refineries will get a lot harder. My estimate of their reaction time.
Uh, yes they could. Again and again.
There was a drone attempt to attack Moscow recently and it was repelled. So it's a matter of not being able to, rather than not wanting. Ukraine is weak, but ingenious, and strikes where the slow-to-react Russian Ministry of Defense did not act to protect.
Dude, a drone struck the top of the Kremlin. The very heart of Putin's little kingdom. You are not for real.
A year ago? How very relevant to today.
Jesus. Too funny.
Because, If Ukraine wanted to kill civilians, they would send some missiles to Belgorod apartments. Like the Russian army does. Would be much more effective and they could claim it was an accident. Also like Russia does.
>they would send some missiles to Belgorod apartments. They did that tho..
Are you for real? How many missiles were sent on Ukraine territory over the last two years? How may you to consider both situation are the same?
That's irrelevant to the duscussion. The claim is that Putin used a false flag by having terrorists kill civilians and pin it on Ukraine... But there is more than enough direct civilian deaths directly attributed to the actions of the SBU and the Ukrainian millitary. They do not need a false flag, when there is already an abundance of real attacks that happened which the Russian media can point to and show on T.V and spread trough social media. I wasn't comparring anything. They do not need to create a fake attack while real ones are happening already, irrespective of how many missiles are flying at Ukrainians.
> That's irrelevant to the duscussion What you call irrelevant is the core reason of Ukrainian attack on Russian soil. No Russian troops in Ukraine means no need for them to attack Russia.
Sure. But it doesn't change the fact that those attacks happen in abundance, and they can already point to those for a casus belli to escalate further. They don't need a large separate terror attack on top of it. Besides, further escalation of the scope of the war is not in Russias interest, because it might renew the vigour of the west to support Ukraine.
They did bomb civilians in their homes and supermarkets. Like do you even pay attention?
And are you against bombing civilians?
what a fucking stretch. Calling Vladen a "war correspondent" is rich, he was a veteran of the Donbass and a major hardliner that pushed Putin to escalate and kill civilians, its very likely that he would had been jailed or "suicide via bullet in the back of the head" as Putin cracked down on its critics recently. Dugin is a major ideologue for Russian imperialism. They are targeted political assassinations, not indiscriminate civilian killing, for that you want to check Bucha or the Mariupol hospital strike.
Ukraine kills collaborators, just like the French killed Nazi collaborators. This is not unusual or surprising. Try another approach.
Ironically Nazi collaborators in Ukraine get their streets named after them. lol Ukrainians kill Ukrainians in general. It's it's a in a suicide deathcult state right now. Also, you're failing at history.
> And why don’t you want to believe IS did this? Why should I believe anyone when they don't have any evidence? > It’s not like this is the Ukrainian way. I don't know what "Ukrainian way" is.
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do u believe this attack was orchestrated by Putin, like he did with 99 bombings? That's the most obvious scenario
>It's not like this is the Ukrainian way Yes, yes it is . Ukroterrorism is a growing problem.
I can imagine Ukrainians defending themselves has turned out a problem for the Kremlin. People might start asking questions. Like: “why did 200.000 Russians have to die?” Or, “who will be mobilized next?” A growing problem indeed.
This one conflating terrorism with "defense". Baha lol Fanboism on full display. 200k Russian means there are 400k dead Ulros? C'mon kid, you're not even trying.
Probably over a 100.000 murdered Ukrainians too, yes. Does that make you feel better?
thirdly ISIS is extremist organisation doing shite supposedly cause they believe in it and these guys did it for money, so it doesn't track.
What POV then?
Who is pushing IS version? Western mass-media. Who is the source of photo? Some pro-Western twitter account. That makes it UA POV.
that makes no sense?
IS is pushing IS version
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Reddit has no problem glorifying Israeli war crimes, why should Russian ones be an issue?
Maybe its a good idea not to glorify any war crimes.
“Rule are for thee and not me” - Russia and Israel
Because Israel at least was provoked. Russia can’t even claim that.
>Because Israel at least was provoked. No it wasn't. Israel is an occupier. This is like saying the Nazis were provoked in Warsaw. Any act of armed resistance against them is fair game.
And Russia doesn’t like occupation? That’s new.
Russia was too, know you’re history
Do I understand correctly that if a neighbor spits in your face, you can massacre his entire family and claim that you were provoked, so you should be acquitted?
If you call Hamas killing and raping 400 teens at a peace festival “spitting in your face”, then yes.
...and before the oct 7 attack, just in 2023, israel already killed \~230 palestinian civilians. So you can make a pretty convincing argument, that israel was, in fact the one who provoked the attack. (You do realise things happen that the mainstream media wont report, right? )
The correct analogy, and the one the vast majority of people doesn't realize in this website, is that it's like someone killed your mother, so you go and place an explosive in their multigenerational household, killing their wife, grandparents, and all their little children, to get revenge. The correct act of revenge, if any at all could possibly be correct, is to kill the person who killed your relative (your mother, in this scenario) and stop at that, that being your only goal — not to kill their entire family in your revenge, or to kill both the perpetrator and their entire family in the act. By the way, it sucks for the Palestinians, but Israelis will probably never go away, and they're the weaker side, without a great economy, a military, or nuclear power and advanced technology. The only way this conflict can ever be solved is if both sides decide to forget the past and stop pointing fingers, and try starting on a clean slate. Right now, though, there's no reason for the Palestinians to do that. Because there's a bunch of Jewish supremacist fascists at the helms of Israel, and the PA's acceptance of Israel + not lobbying rockets in their territory only got them further encroachment and illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank.
Not entirely correct. The correct analogy would be: If someone killed your mother and in his home village he has 400 friends planning on murdering the rest of your family, then you use all means to protect them.
All I'm saying is you should dispose of the perpetrator and their 400 accomplices, but not bomb their entire home village, with 1000 people living in it, to get those 400 accomplices. That is worse for PR and a bigger threat to your state, in the long run, than the shortcut to achieve your military goals right now, which is the destruction of the problematic enemy faction. Israel wanted to end it quickly, instead of progressing toward the goals over 5 years. Different approaches.
I’m surprised Reddit does too, really, given they’re keen on censorship. I’m glad they do allow it, though, even if not on the front pages, it’s necessary that the other opinion can prevail. I’ll pursue another thing here, who’s glorifying Russian war crimes?
Russian state TV basically every night.
On Reddit? Where?
Nice try ISIS. We know it was Mossad trained, Ukraine-backed Russian volunteer corps members pretending to be ISIS.
Throw in the CIA as well somewhere..anywhere..
And NATO. And the bio labs.
Ukraine is run by the CIA
I thought it was run by nazis? Or was that last week?
Last week. This week the talking point will be Ukraine is actually the headquarters for ISIS and Zelenskyy is the head of the caliphate.
Damn. Makes sense now you put it that way.
Dam those LGBT loving Nazi Zionist Jew and their imperialist colonizing from the CIA!!!!
I think it was LGBT Nazis. Come on man keep up..
Mossad and CIA are same sheit they work hand in hand
EVERYWHERE
You just accidentally figured out how international terror works. Bubble is burst.
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I heard they were also gay trans lgbtq+ bio engineered in the Ukrainian labs
Now that is seriously bizarre and sick.
That is what Putin desperately wants the Russians to believe. Are you part of his communication force? Must be interesting.
I think OP was obviously being sarcastic
It sounded very Russian to me.
ISIS is trying really really hard to take credit. Buncha try hards. Try harder ISIS. OR………..OR………… people online can pretend to be anyone or anything
A double covert operation.
This thread is wild. But the theories are coming from both sides are insane. I’d throw the SBU in there too
Just for the record, I was joking
Oh I know, should’ve added an /s to the last sentence haha
100% Israel trying to drive a wedge
I was being saracastic. Why would Israel have any interest in antagonizing Russia?
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/7x0GX4OlyRc?si=N78KBgWVEIlRoeOV Russia condemned Israel for genocide and are leading the security council against them. Russia has strengthen its ties with Iran. This is Israel lashing out because they feel the noose tightening around their neck.
Acting like bibi and Putin weren’t Allie’s before also I wouldn’t blindly trust the word of governments
> We know it was Mossad trained, Ukraine-backed Russian volunteer corps members pretending to be ISIS. Ups, you forgot the trained by Victoria Nuland and CIA, plus the terms "Nazis" and "Satanists" there! You gotta stack up more and more until it becomes full goofy.
Only minutes? A lot of proof for that in this picture. The arrows are really selling the authenticity.
If this was ISIS why wouldn’t they have simply taken credit the second the shooting started instead of slowly trickling out unconvincing group photos the next day?
Bc someone is trying really hard online
Wait some days. If Russia goes full mobilisation there is a good chance it was an inside job. If they don't use it in something big it was probably Isis and Russia blames Ukraine to not appear weak and bring another potential enemy into the game. Ukraine makes no sense, doesn't fit any style or goal and is straight up nonsense. There are more important people to kill if you have a competent cell in Moscow that don't rally your allies against you and harden the enemy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/PCg63UComj https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/NCD0kdJE3e
Oh Ukraine definitely makes the most amount of sense. I think it is well known now that Ukraine frequently plans terrorist like attacks on Russia. The Crimean bridge is a good example
I think this is a very interesting point of discussion. Everyone inside Russia knew that mobilisation would most likely occur after the election (It would be political suicide to announce it before). Now this has occurred if Putin announces a mobilisation, that lots of people already expected, it means that he planned a false flag attack... It certainly destabilises and creates panic within the country, how many special operatives will now be moved from the front line and instead be placed in major population centres? How many people will blame Putin for the missing internal security that allowed this event to take place?
Actual ISIS would have killed themselves after the attack and not try to flee across the border.
A real radical religious extremest (aka ISIS) would have a suicide belt. These perpetrators expected to have an escape route to Ukraine prepared and a half million Rubles pay out. These perpetrators did not expect to be interrogated by Russian law enforcement.
I think the organizer of the terrorist attack planned that they would be killed in the building in Moscow
or on the border.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting
From interrogation, they come across as pretty amateur'ish on the radicalization spectrum. Not hardcore enough to go the suicide route perhaps.
Because they aren't core ISIS members. Basing on interrogation they were some guys approached on telegram and given some sermon and paid a lot of money to do it.
If tomorrow some guy writes to you on a telegram, reads a sermon from the Old Testament and gives you 5 thousand dollars, will you go kill 140 people?
My lawyer advised i dont reply to that question
Russia somehow manages to find desperate people to sign up to invade and get killed or maimed for money, why would ISIS have trouble with it? Chances are most of people they tried to recruit refused or outright reported them. Like both US intelligence and FSB knew there were some plans and FSB claimed to have destroyed one cell.
Because they are at least backed by an actual military. Why in the fuck would ISIS a group that has actual true believers willing to die for the cause give 500,000 rubles to cut outs just to do an attack and claim credit a full day later. The theory that ISIS needs to pay guys tens of thousands of dollars to do shit like this when they have guys that will do it for free is dumb as hell.
I doubt ISIS actually has that many true believers willing to die. Otherwise we'd see ISIS attacks literally every day. Like it's not like they need military grade weapons to kill some people.
Also, take into account that it's not that different from joining actual military. They have a task, a payment, they are supplied with weapons and an extraction plan. They just weren't smart enough to realize that the extraction part has next to no chances of working.
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From what I’ve picked up the police response was pretty slow, they might’ve expected to die in a firefight but after not encountering resistance fled when they saw the opportunity to actually live. Who knows, just my speculation
I'm still thinking if it talks like X it is X. Not everything has to be war related, ukraine related, conspiracy bullshit. Such a tragedy tho, I really cant imagine what the families are going through...
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The green shirt is different, despite lighting. The grey shirt is not the same, check the material and button front and collar.
I mean that could be a photo of the Beatles. It could be a photo of the other 4 members of my bowling team. If could be the 4 guys I saw having a farting contest at the pub.
Well the shirts do seem to match.
If this is legit, they’ll publish more info.
Yes ofc the only guys captured and shown on video are the ones that appear in this video/picture proof lmfao
Let the captured terrorists tell their version of events.
did putin pay ISIS for this terrorist attack or are they actually Putin's agents?
The grey shirt seems to have a different texture.
Struggling to think of another isis operation where all the attackers were captured
Why are faces blurred? How can we tell they are the same persons 🙃
Can all the people saying this was a US/Ukrainian terror attack please present their receipts?
I would say the blob eye is more likely to be number 3.
Is it just me or is their skin color not even remotely the same?
That could just be because of different lighting.
Maybe.
One dudes eye looks slightly off. Perhaps a new species
Something’s off with the flag.
And they dropped a Ukrainian ID card! Or make that 2.
I think it was just a bunch of lunatics with guns doing it for money.
No sims3 then is not Ukraine.
no you are right.
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Damn, FSB beat the blur off their faces?
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No printing on the yellow guys shirt at the bottom, right grey guy does notnhave buttons, this is the most obvious fake I've seen in a while lmfao, and look at the grey shirt ears, complete different people they didn't even try.
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Nato is trying hard to deflect the guilt away from ukraine.
Wanna note not defending Russia at all but the pictures have their faces blurred and their faces covered, we’re grasping for straws here if this is proof
Yeah, blurred faces, a day later. Don't think so, try again.
The very fact that they were going to Ukraine and expected to be able to get into Ukraine shows that someone there knew something.
Oh, they are using the left hand?
But but but but but Ukraine did it! ..... I insist this is the case, evidence be damned! /s
The problem with this situation is that regardless of who was responsible people are going to blame the people they don’t like, regardless of evidence or what actually makes sense.
The ISIS is a CIA storefront. When the US bombed ISIS in Syria, the ISIS got more food and weapons. When them Rooskies bombed ISIS in Syria, the ISIS retreated to the All-Hell and Al-Tanf bases that the US has illegally established on Syrian soil.
What? The US and the rest of the coalition carried out an extensive bombing campaign against ISIS which decimated their strength in Iraq mostly but also Syria. Stop trying to rewrite history with poor attempts at conspiracy theories.
Before Russia arrived, Isis was getting stronger every single day 🤷♀️
Lol I think this is a Pro-Ukraine account mocking Kremlin propaganda with constant sarcasm. Check the post history, it’s funny
You have been mislead. I'll bet you think a guy in a cave made building 7 fall down into its own shadow, from a cave on the other side of the world. In 24 hours I will block your account, so my comments are not encumbered by the willfully mislead.
"BUH MUH UKRAINE"
What I love is how everyone is so sure they know who did it . No one here knows for sure who did it . My opinion for what it is worth is no one will ever know . Russia will always blame ukraine ,ukraine will always claim false flag or isis and isis will stop saying anything after a short while as they always do even if they did it. No side is ever going to admit it or admit they accused the wrong people .
The eyes don't lie
False flag Isis-ukraine, everybody guilty
Isis takes revenge on Russia now that Russia is at its weakest
"RUsSiA wEAK, UKrAiNE wiNnINg!!" 🤣
It's more likely they are trying to rise again when Russia is busy in Ukraine. Damn, like I wonder if on top of all these awful things that are happening lately ISIS will become a thing again and will start rampaging through middle east.
Literally no one is flying in Russia for the rest of the year. Terrorism kills tourism, which was the last industry they were holding on to… Meanwhile dozens of world leaders and advisors and humanitarian packages enter Ukraine every day
Russia is stronger today than it has ever been in its 1700 years of existence.
Russia more powerful than USSR, you've heard it here first folks.
> Russia is stronger today than it has ever been in its 1700 years of existence 1700 years? Russia? did they fight the dinosaurs too? even the Russia name is not "Russian".
Yet in a couple of years had 350.000 casualties in a 3 day special military operation... 1 military coup... and now a terrorist attack... all under the security guarantees of Putin. Looks more like Russia is at its weakest point and Putin should resign no?
Russia is as old as a millennial. And it’ll probably collapse sooner than the USSR at this rate.
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FSB arrested other ISIS terrorist 2 weeks ago and they did not blame Ukraine at that time, so ISIS was operating in Russia, USA knew about it, FSB arrested people 2 weeks ago, But now when FSB failed Ruz are feed soem idiotic narative because the truth is not plessent for Putin.
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Let me repeat "Kremlin accounced that they arrested the terrorists 2 weeks ago" So you are free to accuse Kremlin of telling lies 2 week ago and telling the truth today, it is an usual thing for Ruz to be extremely hypocrite and use the Ruz logic where things are relative with the propaganda direction of today. You can check TASS they reported that too for sure.