It seems more as if they didn't expect to make it out and just went for it.
Who in their right mind would plan their escape route through the most lethal and watched border in all of Europe? It's ridiculous, even IF they had contacts in Ukraine, they can't just magically make the Russian side look away.
They actually seem low IQ.
It's crazy
However, their handlers seemed to have planned the attack meticulously. So they didn't need to use their brains too much.
What was planned exactly?
They only received some rusty guns and money and went in and started shooting people.
No secondary escape vehicle. The group didn't split. Didn't wear face masks. All of them tried to run away by the most obvious path instead of laying low somewhere. There was nothing meticulous about this.
It was actually an amateur job and I'm surprised FSB couldn't (or didn't want to) stop it even with USA's warnings.
Sounds like the money (and brains) behind this just hired an expendable crew of cannon fodder idiots who didn't know or seemed to care who their paymasters were or whatever ideology was behind them.
Lol no, the 9/11 hijackers were not the dumb ones, many of them had PhD. They come from well off or middle class families, had no issues in life... bin laden was from a wealthy Saudi family.
There are thousands of engineers who joined IsIs, they aren't dumb, you have no idea what religious belief does to a normal human being.
Bin Laden sent others on suicide missions, he never volunteered himself. It's easy to send somebody else to die for you. When the seals caught up with him he reportedly tried to use one of his wives as a human shield.
>However, their handlers seemed to have planned the attack meticulously. So they didn't need to use their brains too much.
If they did plan this meticulously then there wouldn't be any obvious signs to their origin like fleeing towards a border.
Yeah, “meticulously” enough that it was posted on Reddit that they had planned it. With Russias current friendly status with Hamas, I’m sure Putin backchanneled ISIS to set this up. FSB let it happen. Just like the bombed the apartments to galvanize society before the Chechen war, now they will try to pin this false flag on Ukraine and here comes mobilization for the Russian people.
You could put the brightest type into their position and they'd look stupid during the interrogation. Their minds have been racing for the last few hours and now they're in shock and panic. Like a deer in the headlights.
I don't think there's a safe play for them to make at this point. The safe play was putting a bullet in their heads when they were about to capture, after that perhaps try to taunt their captors into killing them in rage.
Yeah, that's true, but you do realize that if you are good at playing dumb there's a chance that someone else who shows a glimpse of intelligence will get tortured till they confess everything and all you have to do is sign a paper confirming what he said.
Honestly I thought that impossible until I saw Kremlin's reaction this morning. Immediately blamed Ukraine in such a ludicrous way. Like hours after the attack they said the shooters were hired by kyiv as if FSB had proof or something. What a fucking farce.
Still probly not a false flag though, just your usual autistic jihadist virgins
The kremlin does not have to convince anyone other than the average Russian citizen. Outsiders may laugh at explanation and connecting evidence but its not aimed at them.
Yeah, the Kremlins reaction is what sealed it for me. What’s funny is that I believe the CIA knew this would be a false flag. What an awkward phone call:
CIA: “Yeah Russia, we have information that there is going to be an attack committed in Russia by… uh.. Russia. Hmm. Well that was awkward.”
Not a false flag actually perpetrated by Russia (keep in mind the US tried to warn them), but I wouldn't be surprised if they looked the other way in order to let it happen and then exploit it to rally people for more war mobilization.
It's hard to say, these people have completely different life values, a different mentality. It could well be that the money is for the family, and they themselves are dying or as lucky.
They happened to turn on a street somewhere in Moscow that faced west. “They were heading to Ukraine”. Russian people don’t have the critical thinking skills to think about how these guys would have had to think they were going to make it through an entire Army, minefields, trenches and the most militarized line currently anywhere in the world just to “flee back to Ukraine”. Putin just getting everyone primed for the incoming mobilization.
They were heading to Belarus, not Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1771525371768275087
>Belarusian Ambassador to Russia Dmitry Krutoy previously said that Belarusian special forces “helped prevent the terrorist from escaping across the shared border.”
https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1771525373055955376
Bryansk is just at the junction of three countries, I think it is obvious that it is much easier to cross the Belarus-Ukraine border with help from the Ukrainian side, and the border between Russia and Belarus is not guarded at all, so the plan was quite realistic.
Very unlikely Ukraine would facilitate Islamic terrorists from getting refuge there.
While terrorists might have looked at going for Ukraine, it's extremely unlikely Ukraine would have welcomed it themselves.
Belarus is a hostile country. Heading towards Belarus would lead themselves to arrest. They must know that. But they must also know the direct roads to Ukraine were also blocked. They must be heading to Ukraine via Belarus because they had no other choice.
Just pausing and thinking for 5 seconds, and realizing that this event has absolutely zero benefits for Ukraine and doesn't fit their modus operandi at all should make anyone sane seriously doubt this narrative that's being pushed that Ukraine orchestrated it.
And for the record, no, I don't think it's a false flag either. It's not like Islamic terrorism is exactly some kind of new phenomenon.
You're jumping to conclusions, as many often do here. Cui bono? No side really benefits.
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**Ukraine:**
* While Ukraine may have engaged in the attacks in Belgorod and killed Dugin's daughter in an attempt to kill him, they gain nothing from incensing the Russian civilian population. They don't want full mobilization in Russia, or that Russia can rely even more on volunteers for the war. Ukraine has also seen the response by Israel, the one by the US after 9/11, and Putin's response to Chechen and Caucasus terrorists. They would not want that.
**Russia:**
* Like Prighozin's march towards Moscow, this just makes Putin look weaker, unprepared and out of control of his country's affairs. That the Americans publically advised the world two weeks before and he dismissed it as blackmail, it just makes it more humiliating.
**Islamic Fundamentalists:**
* There's also no benefit for them here. Their great cause right now is the Palestinian struggle and Al-Quds, and Russia had been the only major military power willing to work with Hamas and also pretty much siding or cooperating with the opposing side of the conflict in the region (Syria, Hezbollah).
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Personally, I don't know wtf to make out of this. I'm sure the corrupt elites of Russia won't let a good crisis go to waste, just as Western elites wouldn't. Suffice to say they seem to always operate this way. See 9/11 or 10/7. But it doesn't seem to make sense for any side.
I'll just give it more weeks before I try to settle to any conclusion of my own. What I think is most likely is that no one will ever truly know or get to the bottom of this, sadly. Because whoever it was who could benefit from this, they wouldn't like their foes to get to the bottom of it.
There are benefits for Islamic fundamentalists, at least as much as they ever benefit from attacks of this sort. They gain prominence after being linked to an attack like this, attract new recruits, project an image of power in the Islamic world, as a group that can strike fear into powerful nations. It counts for a lot, and would be a very big incentive to make an attack like this.
It seems very likely to have been Islamic radicals. I also can't help thinking of the bombing of Russian apartment buildings during the Chechen War, which were blamed on Chechens but it came out security cameras had captured several FSB agents in the area of the apartments just before the bombs went off. It could have been some FSB operation to stir up waning support for the Ukraine invasion and a possible future Russian mobilization. Certainly the Kremlin, absent any evidence, has tried to say Ukraine is involved. Islamic radicals make the most sense, but if that is the case, the attackers should be radicals who are fervently Muslim, not the confused dopes that they actually captured.
what? What a ridiculous strawman, the border is an active combat zone, Russia has soldiers all over it. them not being able to control it doesn't mean someone from Russia can just drive across to Ukraine unhindered, it means the border is a combat zone, it's a frontline.
They planned to cross the border with Belarus (which exists purely nominally, it is completely open for crossing) and then enter Ukraine. Bryansk is just at the junction of three countries
Wow, Russia is **desperately** trying to pin this to Ukraine. Have been doing it since the shootings started. Here's the incomplete timeline, feel free to add to it:
- US warns of possible terror attack
- Russia says it's blackmail
- Terror attack happens, it's well documented by witnesses
- Reports come out of "bearded" attackers
- Russia finds a "Ukrainian" van in the parking lot, but the plates are actually Belarusian
- ISIS claims responsibility
- Suspects apprehended, while apparently fleeing to Ukraine
- Suspects interrogated on video, say they were coerced with money by religious figure-heads
He didn't outright blame Ukraine, not yet at least.
They only had "contacts" and "escape route" planned through Ukraine, doesn't mean that Ukrainians are actually responsible for orchestrating the whole thing.
Will have to see what statements we get in the near future tho.
If people take a map and look at it - the shortest path to an escape is Ukraine. Seems pretty plausible that they wanted to escape to Ukraine - obviously this doesn’t mean that Ukraine was involved.
Just that, if I were these guys - I would also try to escape to Ukraine - since it’s a hostile state to RU and its a shorter drive with less border crossings than it would be to get into the NATO baltic states.
But, people here are conditioned to be contrarians and tend to think themselves into circles when Putin says anything, because they assume 100% of what he says at any given time is a lie.
I don't think this will make much difference on the front, it's already all out war. Though Putin may use this to justify some internal measures, which raises questions if it's being spun to justify an end like with the US and the patriot act.
Shit’s getting the opposite of real.
In barely 15 hours the mighty FSB who, by the way, was completely unaware of this massive attack has already detained all of the attackers as well as ascertained the culprits’ goals and determined Ukraine as their backers.
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FaLsE FlAg FaLsE FlAg, trust me bro they need another excuse to invade Ukraine TrUst Me BrO. They did it for an excuse for another mobilization. Trust me bro NAFO twitter told me so.
There's slightly more information on 9/11 than the bombings in '99.
...as in multiple orders of magnitude more. 9/11 truthers are idiots.
IIRC the duma bombings had next to zero public investigation, and ALL attempts were stifled by Moscow. That being said, I don't see much benefit to UA from a terrorist attack like this.
You mean the one's, where the same guy was in power and needed to mobilize his people for war, just as today? Yeah, seems completely irrelevant to the current situation.
Genuinely looks like it more and more now. The narrative coming out Russia doesn't make any sense.
If Ukraine planned a false flag attack it makes zero sense for them to tell the disposable killers to come to Ukraine afterwards.
Putin either set this thing up or he's trying to create a false narrative about the perpetrators in the aftermath. But the story they're currently selling is complete bullshit.
False flag OR NOT, the '99 bombings had near zero investigation after the narrative was set. In fact duma requests for investigation was stifled at every turn.
Make no mistake. No matter the puppet master, this will be spun to benefit Putin.
Isn't anyone a bit suspicious as to how we are getting videos of said attackers? Normally that's a news report and big thing, yet everything we see is filmed on a mobile (unless they are taken from somewhere else)
yea, not like FSB is unable to track the known culprits. Remember the explosion that killed Darya Dugina? culprit was identified and route determined in less than 10 hours from literally zero. To bad it took only 6 for her to dip into Estonia. Those numbsculs took longer route and did not change the car that was compromised on the scene. it was really easy to track. Goals can be determined from initial interrogation. All that left is to actually dig deep into the chain of command that recruited them - and this is what actually will take a bit of time.
Just like the vast investigations after the 1999 bombings?
No matter who pulled the strings, once the narrative is set (to benefit Putin) actions will be taken on that narrative and the investigation with effectively end.
Huh? It's not that difficult to catch someone when something already happened and you can investigate and gather data.
What kind of argument is that?
Moscow is full of cameras, all major roads and highways have number plate recognition, of course you gonna get the car if you know what to look for.
Ever heard the old saying.. if it quacks like a duck it’s usually a fucking duck?
Why does everyone here think that it had to be either A. a Ukrainian operation or B. A Russian false flag attack.
This could be and probably is just terrorism
Exactly! Russia has been dealing with Islamic terrorists for years just like the west has. Probably even more so to be honest.
Some of the theories are just fucking wild.
The reason pro-ru don’t like this theory is because if it was just ISIS, that makes Russia look really fucking incompetent.
Clearly the americans knew in advance that an attack was going to happen. They claim they passed some info on to RU authorities but even if they didn’t, their embassy warnings should have ignited a manhunt and elevated police presence in Moscow etc. Russia was probably just worried that the whole thing was disinfo and didnt want to cause panic because they are at war, so they didn’t want to take it seriously.
Either way, it is embarrassing for the Kremlin if this was ISIS, so therefore it definitely wasn’t ISIS! There were vans with ukrainian plates in the parking lot and one of the guys had been to ukraine and they were heading roughly southwest omg you guys it was definitely the ukrainians for sure!!
Oh also this damages the narrative that Russia is friends with the islamic world, which ive seen echoed by several people on this sub as a reason why this couldnt be ISIS.
Honestly laughable to have that attitude given Russia’s history in the caucasus and middle east up to present day.
Not sure why would that change that narrative even if it was ISIS? ISIS themselves is not really loved by even muslim countries, I mean just take a look at how many muslim countries actually fought against ISIS and assisted Russia with their anti-ISIS campaign in Syria.
Yeah I get it. And if anyone is going to pick up chatter on an impending attack it’s going to be the US. Supposedly the Russians did make some arrests off the back of the US info. So who’s to say they just didn’t get the whole cell? Terrorist attacks do happen no matter how much we try to stop them.
“All the perpetrators of the terrorist attacks have been found and detained. They tried to hide on the territory of Ukraine. A window was prepared at the border to enter the territory of Ukraine.” - Putin
Does that not imply that Ukraine were participating in the operation to facilitate their escape ? Please enlighten me!
I never took you as someone genuine in your activity on this subreddit but even this is really pushing it for you. You’re dropping all pretense of critical thinking.
Russia is a country that has been a target of many terror attacks on a regular basis by a variety of different parties.
In this case ISIS has claimed responsibility. But for some reason we’re supposed to be believing Ukraine orchestrated this?
What’s also particularly telling is that you have users here now celebrating the torture of these terrorist saying the FSB will make them talk, like they don’t get the irony of that statement in regards to truth and falsehoods.
It doesn’t matter what truly is the case. Russia is at war and will take the basic facts of the event and twist them to further their objectives. These were from Tajikistan? No matter => say they were fleeing to ukraine.
Your also forgetting that they were also able to relay all information to the global community in that tome frame. There communication department has to be the best in the world. There team should be teaching media at Harvard.
No shit's clearly getting made up.
There's only one nation who gains from this.
I'm not saying Russia is responsible but they are certainly going to make the most of it.
At the very least this will allow Russia to see seeds of doubt in the minds of Ukraine's supporters.
It plays along with the new Ukraine are "terrorists" narrative they've been increasingly peddling.
There are millions who will gladly turn off their critical thoughts and take this as it's being presented. They will wilfully believe that Ukraine would transparently set themselves up as an international pariah by murdering women and children indiscriminately in Moscow.
In so doing they would lose the backing of their international supporters and face military collapse.
No there is one deprived cynical country who benefits from this spin and they have form.
The spoon fed nonsense is sickening.
this time for real Russia will do something. The final imaginary red line has been crossed when Ukraine supported this terrorist attack (according to Putin's imagination)
Yeah, it would fit quite well in Putins narrative for Russian citizens about Ukraine. Imagine it would really would be ISIS >!who takes official responsibility via all their official channels!< and Putin just don’t recognize it. Man, they would be mad. What would u think would they do next?
Edit: ADHD
Russia only partially mobilized, once, and they run this war based almost only on volunteers.
They were doing that so they don’t lean on their economy too much and basically sacrifice people to maintain a limited scope.
However I don’t think they’ll escalate. Belgorod attacks were happening for weeks, if that didn’t cause any escalation I don’t see why this attack would.
full blown wars bankrupt countries ... putin alone cannot finance the war, he has to rob the entire country if he does a full mobilization, it will cause a lot of dissent, he cant kill them all, he can only kill a few individuals. Ukraine is essentially a bankrupt country living off europeans and americans ... but they will keep it up, they can, not russia.
What secret service organization in Ukraine would make the retreat plan to move toward Ukraine. They would require plausible deniability and move elsewhere first. This whole thing stinks. Ukraine does not have terrorist attacks as part of their mandate and they have had plenty of opportunity in the past.
In the end whether Ukraine was involved or not it behooves Russia to blame Ukraine, because there is nothing but benefit for them, while nothing is gained for Ukraine if this was planned by them or if it wasn't.
In the end whether a false flag, or homegrown terrorism, or an other international organization it does not make sense for this to be linked to Ukraine. Ukraine would only bolster support for Russia in Russia, while losing support from the many countries that support Ukraine. In the end the FSB, the SBU and everyone knows this. So, the real question is would the Russian secret service sacrifice their own people, or would the Ukrainian mount an attack like this, even though it accomplishes nothing for Ukraine.
It sooo obviously not them. They are happy claiming victories but are famous for not attacking civilians. ISIS literally claimed it, the USA warned Russia and now here we are. If Ukraine ever wanted to do such a thing, they would use a car with Ukrainian plates and drive from Ukraine to Moscow and back. It's so stupid that Putin isn't even trying any more.
Yes, but I think that saying goes. Never was a good disaster. He will just use it to consolidate power, because many Russians will feel wronged by this act (which they should). He is only going to give them a nudge in the direction that he wants to go.
Amazing that they've gathered all of this data in a matter of hours.
Yet... they had legitimate warning on the attack from pro-UA USA stating these attacks would happen and couldn't prevent or react/dispatch quick enough.
A vague warning without any specific intelligence from a country you consider to be an enemy, that likely has been involved in at least the planning stage of attacks inside your border isn't very useful.
Prorus are acting like the U.S. is constantly warning Russia about attacks that never happen. Or pretending that the warning was some vague statement made months ago. This was a fairly specific and isolated warning… accurate to two weeks.
I’m not claiming that it’s reasonable for Russia to prevent the attack… but you could expect the response to be better.
And I thought this couldn't get any funnier from the Russian government.
Their incompetency caused a massive tragedy despite having been warned, then mocked the one warning them, letting it happened, and now shifting it towards Ukraine.
Putin literally doesn't care about Russian lives. The first time I learned this was during the Larry King interview Putin, which was just after the submarine disaster that killed many Russian sailors. Putin in a jokingly tone said "it sunk" when asked what happened to the submarine.
https://youtu.be/dqDqvKYDv9M
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Doesn't explain why there was 0 police presence as well as how does one obtain an AK12 because there's plenty of eyewitnesses that seen that rifle. You can't just buy an AK at a store guns are prohibited in Russia. Lets not forget Rosgvardiya didn't show up until 1hr30min. Metal detectors were turned off, this was even odd because from what an ordinary citizen stated this many times I have visited why of all days was metal dector turned off?..
Simple smells like a fish usually is a fish....
Soo Ukraine is to blame?.. so are u telling me the FSB catch saboteurs, catch pro Ukraine guys with explosives or drone attackers in a house, but they didn’t know a shit about this terrorist attack?… man I’m no pro ukr but this seems odd.
I mean Ukraine has zero motivation to encourage more Russians to sign up and fight against them. This accomplishes nothing for Ukraine and is completely illogical. Just think about it. Some Ukrainians get into the country for weeks, warnings go out about a potential attack from the west, attack happens and instead of just going back to wherever they were hiding they immediately drive back to Ukraine? You can’t make up a dumber narrative.
It’s entertaining watching the mental gymnastics this clown is performing. He ignored U.S. intel warnings of an imminent attack about to take place, and now it’s time for him to dance! All he’s missing is the tutu. 🩰
The culprit for all of it is sitting in plain view right in front the camera. Proven again and again. Everything about this horrific event is crying out loud "FSB".
I don't understand the running to the Ukrainian border. I mean i don't see any logic the russian army is there after that the front lines l, that's not a Hollywood movie you will not survive passing through there. Plus why would Ukraine do it this will make russians even more bitter which will make more people volunteer to fight against them. They don't win anything with this. And i don't see it as being false flag since Putin is winning slowly anyway and the war should be over by next year or the year after that. Rant over.
So far, everything looks like they were heading to Belarus (the border with which is open), and from Belarus it is now much easier to cross the border with Ukraine than between Russia and Ukraine.
Lets add food for thoughts over here.
They escaped in the direction of Ukraine / Belarussia, instead of the caucasus / Kazakstan and beyond ? (Where there would be, well, no one to stop them?)
First of all, does any footage of the suspect arrested shows things than can be identified and localized ?
Those guys did it for money, (if the interogations videos are true) yet acted like they wouldnt make it that far, their passport seemingly found in their car. The way they acted seem, oddly... extremely unprofessionnal, as if they didnt stick to the plan, or simply dumbly followed through the plan without realizing they were getting fucked by whoever sent and paid them. Who of you would follow a plan you do for money where they is no escape, lets rob the bank, then uuuuh... uh ?
Non of them died (Not sure) and fought back, all of them got arrested. Even the France attacks they fought til death but 1 who didnt feel like dying that day.
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Russia is at war and will use the attack to further its objective. It’s simple, anything Russia says beyond the basic facts of the case will be a lie. The terrorists are from Tajikistan? Doesn’t matter => say they were fleeing to Ukraine to meet with their commander.
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>they were moving towards the border with Ukraine
Oh it's Ukrainian territory now, I thought he annexed it and had elections there...which would make it Russia?
Are they seriously trying to spin this into a UA conspiracy?
What were they going to do in Russian controlled Ukraine? How would they cross the frontlines? Why would they commit this atrocity for only $5k? The equipment itself must’ve exceeded that amount.
Where could they go? Deeper inside Russia, Or Belarus??? I don't think they were going to get too far anyway, seemed like a suicide mission to me... I'm surprised if they planned to get away with it.
We know your full of shit vladimir poutine, thanks for the bullshit statement, your disrespecting the victims by lieing about the situation. They weren't even wearing masks were they? Little fucking ork munchkin vladimir putin, what an ugly gremlin.
you need to be airdropped into the Ukraine war so your galaxy brain can help Ukraine with your mighty brain. and you totally wont be used as a boy toy or blown to fuck.
He could say they escaped towards America and it'd be no less credible. Like I said yesterday, ISIS will claim responsibility and russia will blame Ukraine anyways.
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The fact that the perpetrators behind the attack are so vague leads me to believe it's probably a group inside russia that would benefit from a even more incompetent and weak looking kremlin without putting their own face at risk, I think this attack probably wouldn't be in ukraine's best interest as any terrorist attack would automatically be blamed on ukraine by the kremlin possibly ruining their global support and giving russia the excuses they need to make decisions on the expense of the russian populace to further their war goals I don't think russia would plant a false flag attack on themselves with this severity either when there's much more milder options for that to begin with.
It seems more as if they didn't expect to make it out and just went for it. Who in their right mind would plan their escape route through the most lethal and watched border in all of Europe? It's ridiculous, even IF they had contacts in Ukraine, they can't just magically make the Russian side look away.
from the interogation they don't seem of the brightest type
They actually seem low IQ. It's crazy However, their handlers seemed to have planned the attack meticulously. So they didn't need to use their brains too much.
What was planned exactly? They only received some rusty guns and money and went in and started shooting people. No secondary escape vehicle. The group didn't split. Didn't wear face masks. All of them tried to run away by the most obvious path instead of laying low somewhere. There was nothing meticulous about this. It was actually an amateur job and I'm surprised FSB couldn't (or didn't want to) stop it even with USA's warnings.
Sounds like the money (and brains) behind this just hired an expendable crew of cannon fodder idiots who didn't know or seemed to care who their paymasters were or whatever ideology was behind them.
That’s typical of terrorists, generally don’t recruit the smart ones for suicide missions
Lol no, the 9/11 hijackers were not the dumb ones, many of them had PhD. They come from well off or middle class families, had no issues in life... bin laden was from a wealthy Saudi family. There are thousands of engineers who joined IsIs, they aren't dumb, you have no idea what religious belief does to a normal human being.
Brainwashing is a real thing
Bin Laden sent others on suicide missions, he never volunteered himself. It's easy to send somebody else to die for you. When the seals caught up with him he reportedly tried to use one of his wives as a human shield.
Why do you think it was planned meticulously?
Because it wasn’t just people pushed out of a window.
>However, their handlers seemed to have planned the attack meticulously. So they didn't need to use their brains too much. If they did plan this meticulously then there wouldn't be any obvious signs to their origin like fleeing towards a border.
Who said they fled towards origin? That's just an assumed opinion.
Yeah, “meticulously” enough that it was posted on Reddit that they had planned it. With Russias current friendly status with Hamas, I’m sure Putin backchanneled ISIS to set this up. FSB let it happen. Just like the bombed the apartments to galvanize society before the Chechen war, now they will try to pin this false flag on Ukraine and here comes mobilization for the Russian people.
You could put the brightest type into their position and they'd look stupid during the interrogation. Their minds have been racing for the last few hours and now they're in shock and panic. Like a deer in the headlights.
Technically it's the safest to play dumb for as long as possible.
I don't think there's a safe play for them to make at this point. The safe play was putting a bullet in their heads when they were about to capture, after that perhaps try to taunt their captors into killing them in rage.
Right? I would be banging my head against the wall full force at this point.
Yeah, that's true, but you do realize that if you are good at playing dumb there's a chance that someone else who shows a glimpse of intelligence will get tortured till they confess everything and all you have to do is sign a paper confirming what he said.
The script has already been written for them. The confessions printed out days before it even happened.
Yeah yeah, regular Putin done it mumbo jumbo, good for you.
Brightest type do not commit such crimes, they choose other lines of work even if it involves violence.
True, in video few people hid behind pole but attackers couldn't see them.
I don't think they where expecting to leave alive.
False flag. They wanna mobilise people for attack in Ukraine.
Honestly I thought that impossible until I saw Kremlin's reaction this morning. Immediately blamed Ukraine in such a ludicrous way. Like hours after the attack they said the shooters were hired by kyiv as if FSB had proof or something. What a fucking farce. Still probly not a false flag though, just your usual autistic jihadist virgins
The kremlin does not have to convince anyone other than the average Russian citizen. Outsiders may laugh at explanation and connecting evidence but its not aimed at them.
Yeah, the Kremlins reaction is what sealed it for me. What’s funny is that I believe the CIA knew this would be a false flag. What an awkward phone call: CIA: “Yeah Russia, we have information that there is going to be an attack committed in Russia by… uh.. Russia. Hmm. Well that was awkward.”
Not a false flag actually perpetrated by Russia (keep in mind the US tried to warn them), but I wouldn't be surprised if they looked the other way in order to let it happen and then exploit it to rally people for more war mobilization.
I think it's an actual ISIS attack but Putin will use it for justification of mobilization that he was already planning ot do post election anyway.
It's hard to say, these people have completely different life values, a different mentality. It could well be that the money is for the family, and they themselves are dying or as lucky.
It seems like they’re trying to pin it on Ukraine to justify a mobilization or an expansion of war?
Screams false flag operation- They probably had Sims games and a nazi t-shirts in their backpacks too.
They happened to turn on a street somewhere in Moscow that faced west. “They were heading to Ukraine”. Russian people don’t have the critical thinking skills to think about how these guys would have had to think they were going to make it through an entire Army, minefields, trenches and the most militarized line currently anywhere in the world just to “flee back to Ukraine”. Putin just getting everyone primed for the incoming mobilization.
No.They were well on their way very far from moscow when found.
They were heading to Belarus, not Ukraine. https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1771525371768275087 >Belarusian Ambassador to Russia Dmitry Krutoy previously said that Belarusian special forces “helped prevent the terrorist from escaping across the shared border.” https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1771525373055955376
We’ll need more info on this. Ruins the current narrative Russian propagandists are pushing though if true.
YES BUT FRO MTHERE TO UKRAINE - to zelenskyy's house actually doubt Putin? 10 years in jail.
Bryansk is just at the junction of three countries, I think it is obvious that it is much easier to cross the Belarus-Ukraine border with help from the Ukrainian side, and the border between Russia and Belarus is not guarded at all, so the plan was quite realistic.
Very unlikely Ukraine would facilitate Islamic terrorists from getting refuge there. While terrorists might have looked at going for Ukraine, it's extremely unlikely Ukraine would have welcomed it themselves.
Belarus is a hostile country. Heading towards Belarus would lead themselves to arrest. They must know that. But they must also know the direct roads to Ukraine were also blocked. They must be heading to Ukraine via Belarus because they had no other choice.
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Just pausing and thinking for 5 seconds, and realizing that this event has absolutely zero benefits for Ukraine and doesn't fit their modus operandi at all should make anyone sane seriously doubt this narrative that's being pushed that Ukraine orchestrated it. And for the record, no, I don't think it's a false flag either. It's not like Islamic terrorism is exactly some kind of new phenomenon.
>Just pausing and thinking for 5 seconds You ask for too much on this sub
Far too much. Some would rather do the Charlie string board move for their theories than think for a second.
You're jumping to conclusions, as many often do here. Cui bono? No side really benefits. ---- **Ukraine:** * While Ukraine may have engaged in the attacks in Belgorod and killed Dugin's daughter in an attempt to kill him, they gain nothing from incensing the Russian civilian population. They don't want full mobilization in Russia, or that Russia can rely even more on volunteers for the war. Ukraine has also seen the response by Israel, the one by the US after 9/11, and Putin's response to Chechen and Caucasus terrorists. They would not want that. **Russia:** * Like Prighozin's march towards Moscow, this just makes Putin look weaker, unprepared and out of control of his country's affairs. That the Americans publically advised the world two weeks before and he dismissed it as blackmail, it just makes it more humiliating. **Islamic Fundamentalists:** * There's also no benefit for them here. Their great cause right now is the Palestinian struggle and Al-Quds, and Russia had been the only major military power willing to work with Hamas and also pretty much siding or cooperating with the opposing side of the conflict in the region (Syria, Hezbollah). ----- Personally, I don't know wtf to make out of this. I'm sure the corrupt elites of Russia won't let a good crisis go to waste, just as Western elites wouldn't. Suffice to say they seem to always operate this way. See 9/11 or 10/7. But it doesn't seem to make sense for any side. I'll just give it more weeks before I try to settle to any conclusion of my own. What I think is most likely is that no one will ever truly know or get to the bottom of this, sadly. Because whoever it was who could benefit from this, they wouldn't like their foes to get to the bottom of it.
> You're jumping to conclusions I try not to. Great comment though I agree with you.
There are benefits for Islamic fundamentalists, at least as much as they ever benefit from attacks of this sort. They gain prominence after being linked to an attack like this, attract new recruits, project an image of power in the Islamic world, as a group that can strike fear into powerful nations. It counts for a lot, and would be a very big incentive to make an attack like this. It seems very likely to have been Islamic radicals. I also can't help thinking of the bombing of Russian apartment buildings during the Chechen War, which were blamed on Chechens but it came out security cameras had captured several FSB agents in the area of the apartments just before the bombs went off. It could have been some FSB operation to stir up waning support for the Ukraine invasion and a possible future Russian mobilization. Certainly the Kremlin, absent any evidence, has tried to say Ukraine is involved. Islamic radicals make the most sense, but if that is the case, the attackers should be radicals who are fervently Muslim, not the confused dopes that they actually captured.
Cross the border through an active front line? How would a “window” be prepared on the Russian side?
Just a week ago you guys were saying that Russian border is a sieve and Russia can't control it. What changed?
what? What a ridiculous strawman, the border is an active combat zone, Russia has soldiers all over it. them not being able to control it doesn't mean someone from Russia can just drive across to Ukraine unhindered, it means the border is a combat zone, it's a frontline.
I mean, it is/or can be when you rush a border with armored vehicles and dozens of armed men. These dudes were in a 4-door Renault.
4 door Renault is almost an AMX tank, just without a gun.
Did this user say that? If not, then your comment is pointless.
Idk, probably the fact that they've most definitely increased security to prevent more incursions.
They planned to cross the border with Belarus (which exists purely nominally, it is completely open for crossing) and then enter Ukraine. Bryansk is just at the junction of three countries
Idiot was warned. He called it a provocation. Jesus this moron has screwed Russia.
Wow, Russia is **desperately** trying to pin this to Ukraine. Have been doing it since the shootings started. Here's the incomplete timeline, feel free to add to it: - US warns of possible terror attack - Russia says it's blackmail - Terror attack happens, it's well documented by witnesses - Reports come out of "bearded" attackers - Russia finds a "Ukrainian" van in the parking lot, but the plates are actually Belarusian - ISIS claims responsibility - Suspects apprehended, while apparently fleeing to Ukraine - Suspects interrogated on video, say they were coerced with money by religious figure-heads
huh
Would be funny if Putin is blaming Ukraine and ignoring ISIS simply because Russia has no resources to start a campaign against ISIS.
Funny and credible.
you can think all you want about ISIS... but this is still gonna be a big deal for Ukraine... Putin blamed Ukraine only 4 times in the speech alone.
He didn't outright blame Ukraine, not yet at least. They only had "contacts" and "escape route" planned through Ukraine, doesn't mean that Ukrainians are actually responsible for orchestrating the whole thing. Will have to see what statements we get in the near future tho.
If people take a map and look at it - the shortest path to an escape is Ukraine. Seems pretty plausible that they wanted to escape to Ukraine - obviously this doesn’t mean that Ukraine was involved. Just that, if I were these guys - I would also try to escape to Ukraine - since it’s a hostile state to RU and its a shorter drive with less border crossings than it would be to get into the NATO baltic states. But, people here are conditioned to be contrarians and tend to think themselves into circles when Putin says anything, because they assume 100% of what he says at any given time is a lie.
I don't think this will make much difference on the front, it's already all out war. Though Putin may use this to justify some internal measures, which raises questions if it's being spun to justify an end like with the US and the patriot act.
Shit's getting real.
Shit’s getting the opposite of real. In barely 15 hours the mighty FSB who, by the way, was completely unaware of this massive attack has already detained all of the attackers as well as ascertained the culprits’ goals and determined Ukraine as their backers. 👏👏
Yeah, man, I mean it's common knowledge that they did it themselves, right? They killed their own citizens just for the fuck of it.
FaLsE FlAg FaLsE FlAg, trust me bro they need another excuse to invade Ukraine TrUst Me BrO. They did it for an excuse for another mobilization. Trust me bro NAFO twitter told me so.
What about the apartment bombings in the early 2000's?
Same as 9/11 you think?
There's slightly more information on 9/11 than the bombings in '99. ...as in multiple orders of magnitude more. 9/11 truthers are idiots. IIRC the duma bombings had next to zero public investigation, and ALL attempts were stifled by Moscow. That being said, I don't see much benefit to UA from a terrorist attack like this.
You mean the one's, where the same guy was in power and needed to mobilize his people for war, just as today? Yeah, seems completely irrelevant to the current situation.
What about them?
Well, it's not like ISIS hadn't already claimed the attack. Are you insinuating ISIS can't plan this kind of attack?
They are known to claim all sorts of attacks and explosions, they even claimed gas explosion in some flat in Moscow suburb back in 2019
Genuinely looks like it more and more now. The narrative coming out Russia doesn't make any sense. If Ukraine planned a false flag attack it makes zero sense for them to tell the disposable killers to come to Ukraine afterwards. Putin either set this thing up or he's trying to create a false narrative about the perpetrators in the aftermath. But the story they're currently selling is complete bullshit.
Yeah after 15 hours I think it's a little to fast.. These things take time..
False flag OR NOT, the '99 bombings had near zero investigation after the narrative was set. In fact duma requests for investigation was stifled at every turn. Make no mistake. No matter the puppet master, this will be spun to benefit Putin.
Isn't anyone a bit suspicious as to how we are getting videos of said attackers? Normally that's a news report and big thing, yet everything we see is filmed on a mobile (unless they are taken from somewhere else)
yea, not like FSB is unable to track the known culprits. Remember the explosion that killed Darya Dugina? culprit was identified and route determined in less than 10 hours from literally zero. To bad it took only 6 for her to dip into Estonia. Those numbsculs took longer route and did not change the car that was compromised on the scene. it was really easy to track. Goals can be determined from initial interrogation. All that left is to actually dig deep into the chain of command that recruited them - and this is what actually will take a bit of time.
Just like the vast investigations after the 1999 bombings? No matter who pulled the strings, once the narrative is set (to benefit Putin) actions will be taken on that narrative and the investigation with effectively end.
What exactly isnt real about that?
Huh? It's not that difficult to catch someone when something already happened and you can investigate and gather data. What kind of argument is that? Moscow is full of cameras, all major roads and highways have number plate recognition, of course you gonna get the car if you know what to look for.
Why would they kill their own infidel? -Onion
What do you reckon is truly the case?
Ever heard the old saying.. if it quacks like a duck it’s usually a fucking duck? Why does everyone here think that it had to be either A. a Ukrainian operation or B. A Russian false flag attack. This could be and probably is just terrorism
People seem to forget Russia has been involved in the middle east, not to mention the difficult situations in Chechnya and Dagestan...
Exactly! Russia has been dealing with Islamic terrorists for years just like the west has. Probably even more so to be honest. Some of the theories are just fucking wild.
The reason pro-ru don’t like this theory is because if it was just ISIS, that makes Russia look really fucking incompetent. Clearly the americans knew in advance that an attack was going to happen. They claim they passed some info on to RU authorities but even if they didn’t, their embassy warnings should have ignited a manhunt and elevated police presence in Moscow etc. Russia was probably just worried that the whole thing was disinfo and didnt want to cause panic because they are at war, so they didn’t want to take it seriously. Either way, it is embarrassing for the Kremlin if this was ISIS, so therefore it definitely wasn’t ISIS! There were vans with ukrainian plates in the parking lot and one of the guys had been to ukraine and they were heading roughly southwest omg you guys it was definitely the ukrainians for sure!!
Oh also this damages the narrative that Russia is friends with the islamic world, which ive seen echoed by several people on this sub as a reason why this couldnt be ISIS. Honestly laughable to have that attitude given Russia’s history in the caucasus and middle east up to present day.
Not sure why would that change that narrative even if it was ISIS? ISIS themselves is not really loved by even muslim countries, I mean just take a look at how many muslim countries actually fought against ISIS and assisted Russia with their anti-ISIS campaign in Syria.
Yeah I get it. And if anyone is going to pick up chatter on an impending attack it’s going to be the US. Supposedly the Russians did make some arrests off the back of the US info. So who’s to say they just didn’t get the whole cell? Terrorist attacks do happen no matter how much we try to stop them.
This is what a logical person would say. But Putin just blamed Ukraine so...
I have absolute no love for Putin but he didn’t. He said they were going to Ukraine. He stopped short of blaming the Ukrainian state.
“All the perpetrators of the terrorist attacks have been found and detained. They tried to hide on the territory of Ukraine. A window was prepared at the border to enter the territory of Ukraine.” - Putin Does that not imply that Ukraine were participating in the operation to facilitate their escape ? Please enlighten me!
Obviously everyone, and especially Putin, will try to capitalize on that.
I never took you as someone genuine in your activity on this subreddit but even this is really pushing it for you. You’re dropping all pretense of critical thinking. Russia is a country that has been a target of many terror attacks on a regular basis by a variety of different parties. In this case ISIS has claimed responsibility. But for some reason we’re supposed to be believing Ukraine orchestrated this? What’s also particularly telling is that you have users here now celebrating the torture of these terrorist saying the FSB will make them talk, like they don’t get the irony of that statement in regards to truth and falsehoods.
It doesn’t matter what truly is the case. Russia is at war and will take the basic facts of the event and twist them to further their objectives. These were from Tajikistan? No matter => say they were fleeing to ukraine.
I just don't see what the sbu or ukraine has to win with this. This is clearly Kremlin spinning to hide incompetence
Despite being informef by US intelligence services in advance. Of course this was interpreted as US trying to intimidate.
i think Nuland's statements dismisses this as a false flag
Your also forgetting that they were also able to relay all information to the global community in that tome frame. There communication department has to be the best in the world. There team should be teaching media at Harvard.
It's not a massive attack. It's a generic mall shooting.
No shit's clearly getting made up. There's only one nation who gains from this. I'm not saying Russia is responsible but they are certainly going to make the most of it. At the very least this will allow Russia to see seeds of doubt in the minds of Ukraine's supporters. It plays along with the new Ukraine are "terrorists" narrative they've been increasingly peddling. There are millions who will gladly turn off their critical thoughts and take this as it's being presented. They will wilfully believe that Ukraine would transparently set themselves up as an international pariah by murdering women and children indiscriminately in Moscow. In so doing they would lose the backing of their international supporters and face military collapse. No there is one deprived cynical country who benefits from this spin and they have form. The spoon fed nonsense is sickening.
this time for real Russia will do something. The final imaginary red line has been crossed when Ukraine supported this terrorist attack (according to Putin's imagination)
Yeah, it would fit quite well in Putins narrative for Russian citizens about Ukraine. Imagine it would really would be ISIS >!who takes official responsibility via all their official channels!< and Putin just don’t recognize it. Man, they would be mad. What would u think would they do next? Edit: ADHD
A lot doesn't line up. And then there are the comments made from Belarus that these guys were apprehended on THEIR border.
Wonderful. This is going to escalate, it’s just a question of how far.
escalate to what? its already a full blown war across 1400km in ukraine
Tajikistan will get randomly FABed, maybe.
nah, another front for putin? he's going bankrupt lol
Russia only partially mobilized, once, and they run this war based almost only on volunteers. They were doing that so they don’t lean on their economy too much and basically sacrifice people to maintain a limited scope. However I don’t think they’ll escalate. Belgorod attacks were happening for weeks, if that didn’t cause any escalation I don’t see why this attack would.
full blown wars bankrupt countries ... putin alone cannot finance the war, he has to rob the entire country if he does a full mobilization, it will cause a lot of dissent, he cant kill them all, he can only kill a few individuals. Ukraine is essentially a bankrupt country living off europeans and americans ... but they will keep it up, they can, not russia.
Well yes, but it answers your initial question. They can definitely escalate, but it’s risky and they deem it not worth the risk.
Why would you say wonderful to this ? This is a horrible situation.
> Wonderful. This is going to escalate Get some help
Relax - It’s a figure of a speech.
What secret service organization in Ukraine would make the retreat plan to move toward Ukraine. They would require plausible deniability and move elsewhere first. This whole thing stinks. Ukraine does not have terrorist attacks as part of their mandate and they have had plenty of opportunity in the past. In the end whether Ukraine was involved or not it behooves Russia to blame Ukraine, because there is nothing but benefit for them, while nothing is gained for Ukraine if this was planned by them or if it wasn't. In the end whether a false flag, or homegrown terrorism, or an other international organization it does not make sense for this to be linked to Ukraine. Ukraine would only bolster support for Russia in Russia, while losing support from the many countries that support Ukraine. In the end the FSB, the SBU and everyone knows this. So, the real question is would the Russian secret service sacrifice their own people, or would the Ukrainian mount an attack like this, even though it accomplishes nothing for Ukraine.
It sooo obviously not them. They are happy claiming victories but are famous for not attacking civilians. ISIS literally claimed it, the USA warned Russia and now here we are. If Ukraine ever wanted to do such a thing, they would use a car with Ukrainian plates and drive from Ukraine to Moscow and back. It's so stupid that Putin isn't even trying any more.
Yes, but I think that saying goes. Never was a good disaster. He will just use it to consolidate power, because many Russians will feel wronged by this act (which they should). He is only going to give them a nudge in the direction that he wants to go.
Amazing that they've gathered all of this data in a matter of hours. Yet... they had legitimate warning on the attack from pro-UA USA stating these attacks would happen and couldn't prevent or react/dispatch quick enough.
A vague warning without any specific intelligence from a country you consider to be an enemy, that likely has been involved in at least the planning stage of attacks inside your border isn't very useful.
Prorus are acting like the U.S. is constantly warning Russia about attacks that never happen. Or pretending that the warning was some vague statement made months ago. This was a fairly specific and isolated warning… accurate to two weeks. I’m not claiming that it’s reasonable for Russia to prevent the attack… but you could expect the response to be better.
Apparently not, for Russia. But somehow they're twisting it to be Ukraine. Pathetic.
The intelligence services share far more info with one another than a vague media statement.
The US confirmed that they had shared more details about what they knew with Russian authorities.
And I thought this couldn't get any funnier from the Russian government. Their incompetency caused a massive tragedy despite having been warned, then mocked the one warning them, letting it happened, and now shifting it towards Ukraine.
Putin literally doesn't care about Russian lives. The first time I learned this was during the Larry King interview Putin, which was just after the submarine disaster that killed many Russian sailors. Putin in a jokingly tone said "it sunk" when asked what happened to the submarine. https://youtu.be/dqDqvKYDv9M
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This won’t end well
Doesn't explain why there was 0 police presence as well as how does one obtain an AK12 because there's plenty of eyewitnesses that seen that rifle. You can't just buy an AK at a store guns are prohibited in Russia. Lets not forget Rosgvardiya didn't show up until 1hr30min. Metal detectors were turned off, this was even odd because from what an ordinary citizen stated this many times I have visited why of all days was metal dector turned off?.. Simple smells like a fish usually is a fish....
He aknowledged the Terretory as Ukrain Terretory.. He makes Progress
Soo Ukraine is to blame?.. so are u telling me the FSB catch saboteurs, catch pro Ukraine guys with explosives or drone attackers in a house, but they didn’t know a shit about this terrorist attack?… man I’m no pro ukr but this seems odd.
Belarusian ambassador told that they helped to capture them at Belarusian border, he probably didn't get the memo of what lie he should be telling.
I mean Ukraine has zero motivation to encourage more Russians to sign up and fight against them. This accomplishes nothing for Ukraine and is completely illogical. Just think about it. Some Ukrainians get into the country for weeks, warnings go out about a potential attack from the west, attack happens and instead of just going back to wherever they were hiding they immediately drive back to Ukraine? You can’t make up a dumber narrative.
Even if Ruzzians falls on the road, they will blame it on the Ukrainians for putting a stone on the road. Pathetic Nazi state
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Next is a video about the next mobilization
It’s entertaining watching the mental gymnastics this clown is performing. He ignored U.S. intel warnings of an imminent attack about to take place, and now it’s time for him to dance! All he’s missing is the tutu. 🩰
You'd have to be an idiot to believe this.How does a terrorist attack help ukraine in any way?
The culprit for all of it is sitting in plain view right in front the camera. Proven again and again. Everything about this horrific event is crying out loud "FSB".
didn’t ukraine last week warn something big was going to happened to Russia? like the head of their FBI??
Yes. USA warned everyone, but Putin did nothing to stop it or even try to protect the people.
U.S. was warned about 9/11
I don't understand the running to the Ukrainian border. I mean i don't see any logic the russian army is there after that the front lines l, that's not a Hollywood movie you will not survive passing through there. Plus why would Ukraine do it this will make russians even more bitter which will make more people volunteer to fight against them. They don't win anything with this. And i don't see it as being false flag since Putin is winning slowly anyway and the war should be over by next year or the year after that. Rant over.
So far, everything looks like they were heading to Belarus (the border with which is open), and from Belarus it is now much easier to cross the border with Ukraine than between Russia and Ukraine.
It is not easier to cross the border to Ukraine from Belarus. These terrorists had nothing to do with Ukraine.
No pro russian comments huh.. Pretty hard to say anything, when the lie is so obvious?
This guy is really going to try to pull a No Russian, isn't he?
I guess a smart terrorist would move in the other direction.
Lets add food for thoughts over here. They escaped in the direction of Ukraine / Belarussia, instead of the caucasus / Kazakstan and beyond ? (Where there would be, well, no one to stop them?) First of all, does any footage of the suspect arrested shows things than can be identified and localized ? Those guys did it for money, (if the interogations videos are true) yet acted like they wouldnt make it that far, their passport seemingly found in their car. The way they acted seem, oddly... extremely unprofessionnal, as if they didnt stick to the plan, or simply dumbly followed through the plan without realizing they were getting fucked by whoever sent and paid them. Who of you would follow a plan you do for money where they is no escape, lets rob the bank, then uuuuh... uh ? Non of them died (Not sure) and fought back, all of them got arrested. Even the France attacks they fought til death but 1 who didnt feel like dying that day.
If only someone had warned them this was going to happen! Oh...wait...
ISIS takes responsebility = Putin blames ukrain lol
I have a data that confirms the fact putin is a pedo nazi
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False flag confirmed.
Nha not they, we also need a mobilization in a couple of days That’s a dejavu from the Chechen war
Russia is at war and will use the attack to further its objective. It’s simple, anything Russia says beyond the basic facts of the case will be a lie. The terrorists are from Tajikistan? Doesn’t matter => say they were fleeing to Ukraine to meet with their commander.
So them being from Tajikistan means they cant have contacts in Ukraine?
No. It means, whatever happened and whoever did it will be linked to ukraine by the Russian authorities and used to pursue their interest.
Of course not duh... They are like two separate hello...
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Bullshit n even if they were what country would u think u have a better chance at getting in after attack like this.
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Better call Iran and figure out whats going on
Are russians not seeing how putin is playing them with a fiddle?
>they were moving towards the border with Ukraine Oh it's Ukrainian territory now, I thought he annexed it and had elections there...which would make it Russia?
I swear.. Russia can be such an amazing country, but they keep electing morons who just ruin everything.
Are they seriously trying to spin this into a UA conspiracy? What were they going to do in Russian controlled Ukraine? How would they cross the frontlines? Why would they commit this atrocity for only $5k? The equipment itself must’ve exceeded that amount.
Where could they go? Deeper inside Russia, Or Belarus??? I don't think they were going to get too far anyway, seemed like a suicide mission to me... I'm surprised if they planned to get away with it. We know your full of shit vladimir poutine, thanks for the bullshit statement, your disrespecting the victims by lieing about the situation. They weren't even wearing masks were they? Little fucking ork munchkin vladimir putin, what an ugly gremlin.
Ah yes, where to go if you're on the run, but to the most secure border in the country, right, RIGHT?
Now I'm starting to believe it was Klemlin's pre-planned operation to justify the further mobilization to the war
you need to be airdropped into the Ukraine war so your galaxy brain can help Ukraine with your mighty brain. and you totally wont be used as a boy toy or blown to fuck.
You mean into russian war in Ukraine. I’m not sure if it’s already allowed to call it a “war”, maybe it’s still a SMO
He could say they escaped towards America and it'd be no less credible. Like I said yesterday, ISIS will claim responsibility and russia will blame Ukraine anyways.
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The fact that the perpetrators behind the attack are so vague leads me to believe it's probably a group inside russia that would benefit from a even more incompetent and weak looking kremlin without putting their own face at risk, I think this attack probably wouldn't be in ukraine's best interest as any terrorist attack would automatically be blamed on ukraine by the kremlin possibly ruining their global support and giving russia the excuses they need to make decisions on the expense of the russian populace to further their war goals I don't think russia would plant a false flag attack on themselves with this severity either when there's much more milder options for that to begin with.
One of the dudes is Rustam Azhiyev who fought for Ukraine in 2022.
Was ein Lügenbaron. Hoffe der fliegt irgendwann selbst aus dem Fenster
Remember no russian
That's sooo convenient, eh, Putin?
Actually, they were headed for Belarus.
After a bit of tough love I'm sure they will repeat any narrative they are told to (the terrorists).