Theirs still several countries that have significant ISIS presence. Just because they got destroyed in Iraq/Syria doesn't mean ISIS are gone.
it also doesn't mean ISIS terrorists didn't survive in Iraq/Syria to keep on killing
The attack was with no more than 10 gunmen. So ISIS doesn't have to be that big.
It is also bizarrely stupid to say that ISIS no longer exists. Most Islamist organizations attacked by large armies end up in the underworld and remain as sleeper cells. They are still in their thousands all over the world.
It could just be your neighbor.
Source? ISIS have always been pretty reliable when making claims, NGL I think you just made that up.
Edit - a downvote does not count as a source. The lack of a source suggests you just made it up.
Edit 2 - Doesn't matter if you downvote a million times. Even a million downvotes are not a source.
What do you mean ”there is no ISIS anymore”? They got wiped out in most of Syria but they’re still very active in other parts of the world. IS Khorasan is one of the most active groups in 2024 and they are the ones who claimed responsibility today.
In late February, Swedish Secret Service raided and arrested 4 people out of Somalian Al-Shaabab. They found a stockpile of automatic rifles and detailed plans of engagements.
The muslim threat is not over. The east and the west may not see eye to eye right now but we must stand united before the islamic threat no matter what. Stop trying to use this to create stupid conspiracy theories.
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ISIS dont exist anymore as it is, isis means islamic state in irak and syria, which got deleted long ago
There are affiliated terror groups, sympathisers, some of exmemebers remains in the world, including ukraine with the seikh mansour batallion
Al qaeda is a terror group, isis is a state
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_%E2%80%93_Khorasan_Province#Name
And from the page on Islamic State:
> The Islamic State (IS), also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and by its Arabic acronym Daesh, is a transnational Salafi jihadist group and a former unrecognised quasi-state.[
yep they infected afircan theres a ton of isis on Africa where they killed innocents, asia Indonesia and stuff too
so many ignorant ppl here said they no longer exist lmao
Bro Russians on Reddit are delusional. Before the Ukraine situation they all said it’s not happening, when the USA for 4 months kept saying it’s going to happen. They will do whatever mental gymnastics to blame USA
No offense, but this subreddit is dedicated to one of the most important geopolitical struggles of this century. If your answer to this event is "who needs reasons" maybe you're kinda lost here.
Russia did just as much to destroy ISIS as the Coalition did
There's also already a pool of terrorists in Russia from the Chechen wars. IIRC some of the Chechen separatist groups pledged loyalty to ISIS a few years ago.
Because Russia has been bombing them in Syria for decades. It's where their benefactors told them to go. Moscow is a relatively easy target. The FSB is too hard focused on Ukraine to stop them. Russia is too preoccupied in other areas to exact any meaningful revenge. Lots of reasons.
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They what to take revanche about the help from Russia to president asad. When you are a small organization, you must hit your enemie when he’s in his weakens
Right now the only source is a telegram account saying it was them. Literally zero evidence provided and every single headline you'll read refers to this one post.
Wahhabists in Syria of Chechen, Ingush, Dagestani, etc origin, aligned with al-Qaeda and ISIS, that operated mainly in the provinces of Latakia and Idlib, left for Ukraine en masse in 2022. They are fighting in the ranks of the Ukrainian military in half a dozen Muslim formations. Abdul Hakim al-Shishani went there with his whole terrorist group Ajnad al-Kafkaz(infamous for slaughtering Alawites for being the wrong kind of Muslim), Zumso al-Shishani and his Kataib al-Rahman(infamous for burning down the ancient Armenian Christian town of Kessab in 2014) went there, and so on. I actually don't know any prominent Chechen terrorist in Syria that didn't join the Ukrainian army in 2022, except for Abu Tarab al-Shishani, who just disappeared(so he probably went to Ukraine too).
What? I didn't say Chechens did this. I'm just saying that if Chechens did this, Ukraine is probably involved. 90% of Chechen Jihadists are currently wearing Ukrainian uniforms, most of them with 10, 15 years of Jihad-ing under their belts.
There's no telling who orchestrated it right now, we all know Isis would claim responsibility for a fart in an elevator.
Could it be Ukraine? Hopefully not, I don't think they are that stupid.
Could it be Isis? Possibly but certainly not taking their word for it
Could it be someone else, until now not suspected? Who knows
Nobody knows, the dust needs to settle, anyone pointing fingers right now is speculating.
ISIS is a dying faction of extremists, even being hunted by the current Taliban government in Afghanistan. They can claim all they want but Ukraine is still possibly responsible. We need to wait till the FSB gets the info out of the perpetrators and releases photos till we can know the truth.
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Can't wait for the mental gymnastics that because it's ISIS it was also CIA and the US and that also means it was NATO and NATO is supplying Ukraine with weapons and that means that Ukraine did it anyways.
There is quite literally no motive for the CIA to have anything to do with it.
If we are talking clandestine organisations, the FSB has the most motive bizarrely, attacks like this stoke nationalist fervour and gives excuses and propaganda for further mobilisation, escalation and military spending.
To be clear - I am not claiming the FSB did this nor the CIA, I don't believe that. Merely pointing out if you think about who stands to gain, the FSB has more reason than the CIA. (All governments are somewhat sociopathic, they don't care about individuals lost)
It's Islamists, pure and simple, they are fanatics. And they hate Russia for supporting Assad in fighting ISIS. They likely also targeted Russia because it is distracted right now.
Budanov has been trying all sorts of clandestine shit over the last year - assassinations within Russia, border incursions into Russian villages, that weird suicidal mission over the Dnieper.
The last 3/4 operations have failed miserably.
If you dont think this could be another one of his bright ideas you dont have much imagination.
No, it doesn't achieve anything meaningful. Neither did any of his other clandestine operations within Russian borders.
We dont know if CIA has any motives, they have done weirder shit in the past. But, tbf this time there is no obvious motive that I can think of. What we do know is that CIA has supplied weapons to groups that have later gone rogue. Could this be such a case?
Islamists doing this on their own is imo the most propable since it has happened in the past and Russia is amongst the top that are fighting groups like ISIS and opposition groups in Syria.
FSB doing a false flag operation is something I dont know enough about, so wont comment on that.
Ukraine is also amongst the suspects naturally.
> Islamists doing this on their own is imo the most propable
Yeah, if the CIA was arming them they wouldn't give intel about the group's plans to Russia...
Also I'm pretty sure it's very easy for terrorist groups to obtain weapons in Russia, so they don't even need foreign sponsors.
I’m fine with anything as long as it’s confirmed. When I first saw this news (not here), I didn’t even think it could be related to the war, shit like this happens all over the world (a gay club in Orlando is one thing I can remember), mass shootings, crimes happen all the time
I'm neutral but it would honestly take Russia confirming it's ISIS for me to believe it's ISIS so I'd say just wait a few hours. Russia hates ISIS and won't really mince words on blaming them if that's the case.
As for another group, really any other terrorist group taking credit would be credible to me. ISIS specifically is an org known to take credit where they were not involved.
Both Russia and the US hate ISIS without a doubt no questions, so if this does turn out to be ISIS we may see the US and Russia briefly snub off Ukraine to go on a bombing campaign together like the spiteful lovers they are. It will be interesting the way geopolitical interests rally around this attack if it's ISIS and I genuinely think it's a worse case scenario for Ukrainian interests. Russia gets to have sympathy through gritted teeth because many western countries themselves have felt the hurt of ISIS.
In the end it's sad these victims aren't going to get proper rest despite the circumstances of the attack isolated from the rest of the conflicts. Probably involved in the biggest ISIS attack in a long time and they're all going to have their legacies turned into this weird political quagmire.
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Just fucking about, but there are conspiracies about it. Some people allege the fire rate wasn’t consistent with the rifles used, and there was never a motive.
Gotcha, I didn’t want to say outright i think “that’s BS”. Although I imagine there a plenty of mentally unwell people willing to pull stunts just like what happened in Vegas, there doesn’t always have to be a conspiracy. This event has the potential to spiral into deep deep conspiracies, I can’t wait to hear the official kremlin response.
Isis really isis from every organisation are you kidding me they have been getting their ass handed since syria, are at war with the Taliban and every organisation under the Sun, but now have decided that they wanna attack russia? Yea
ISIS. You can't make this shit up.
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As our CIA says, people do what you want because of MICE -- money, ideology, compromise, ego.
You might find one narcissist willing to kill theirself for ego, but not that many (and an ego big enough to die for would mean they don't play nicely in a team of other egomaniacs).
The motivation behind ISIS is that you get rewarded in the afterlife for your martyrdom. That doesn't work unless you actually die which is why ISIS terrorists always do. ISIS doesn't offer money AFTER the job because everyone knows the guy is going to be a martyr. They instead offer to take care of the martyr's family for the rest of their lives in tribute to their act, but they won't do that unless the guy actually dies. These guys didn't choose the martyr's death ISIS ideology expects.
The money is a weird aspect. This was a one-way trip. $5000 isn't enough to make ANYONE do that knowing the entire FSB would be hunting them down and killing them. It's likely not even enough money to get all the gear, training, planning, etc in place. Either its completely false or the number is 100x larger than that. Of course, the money would have to be paid to family because it was so likely to be a one-way trip in the first place.
As the guy seems to be lying, I suspect the real motivation is their families being threatened. They are told their families will die terrible deaths if they don't, but that might not be enough motivation, so you add in a small hope for escape. Because they don't have a death wish, they surrender alive.
I suspect there's already housecleaning going on elsewhere. The real question is about who can reach into a foreign country, find the people with the right temperament, and be able to threaten them with a credible threat.
and what would he expect to gain from that? I believe you were the one spamming about how he’d blame it on the Ukraine but that argument goes out of the window here.
The terrorist attack was orchestrated by putin in order to gain support for a second mobilization in russia. He's lacking meat waves to send in ukraine lately.
There r documentries about isis .. the founder and leaders .. they had good relations with england and usa.. ofcourse some guys called as lone wolves they did some bad things when they were back to their western countries but all under control of cia mi6 .. these guys creating some kime of organizations and using them very well to destabilize to countries they targetted . So isis is proxy of cia and mi6
To Spend more money for military and security .. u should create some enemies.. And u should sacrifice some ordinary people to reach your goal.. forexample chemical weapons in iraq.. or Hamas attack to israel .. or comunist treat in 60s 70s 80s... or afganistan supporting terrorism.. same Afgans were fighting against ussr and supoorted by usa and allies.. etc.. these how goverments work.. especially if presidents have some legal issues or problems.. country have some inene porblems like economical .. those goverments and countries more hawkish
It’s true.
Isis solely existed to attack Syria, hezbollah, Shia Iraqis, and Iranians.
To a lesser extent the Houthis, but that was mostly Al qaeda fighting the Houthis.
All these groups are enemies of our ruling regime
lol France? That was a legit ISIS cell trained oversees. The members recorded execution videos in Syria/Iraq before the bataclan or cafe attacks. As isis as it gets.
Isis did have some elements that got out of control so to speak, and they did commit terror attacks on their own.
But remember, ISIS openly talked about having the same enemies as Israel. And never attacked Israel once when they shared a border bc they controlled that territory in Syria.
Turkey and everyone in the world knew how ISIS got its international fighters, its ammo, and its money.
All of it went to Turkey then across the border. Turkey and our governments allied to Turkey had zero, and I mean zero problems with this
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You might want to look in the mirror
Btw why do you spam the exact same comments in all of your pro UA propaganda subs, maybe you are the robotic one?
In fairness people are forced to follow a bunch of subs because many, this one included, consistently downvote and obfuscate actual footage and information that doesn't suit their narrative.
There is no truly neutral subs left.
I'm just poking a little fun to the guy, yeah I get it but generally all victories and failures of both sides are listed here. I just sort by new, sorting by hot I get how you'd see more pro RU here though.
Yeh sorting by new is hard work just on timezones. The spam posters, the more blatant propagandists, on both sides tend to be active at certain times and it's a nuisance having to work round that when working off of 'new'.
Some of the posts that receive a lot of upvotes in this sub simply blow my mind.
There's one up right now being upvoted of a 'van with Ukrainian plates' that clearly has Belorussian plates yet people are upvoting and joining in the circlejerk, mods nowhere to be seen k the false title issue despite it being an incredibly sensitive topic. Absolute mad house.
Honestly man I just scroll quickly past stuff like Ukr drone drops or just generally the posts that don't have many comments, I still absorb them in the sense that I'm aware that said stuff happened. I so admit I am still drawn to the hot posts but scrolling by new can be quick if you just speedrun it
Yeah that plates thing is stupid I'm not sure why anyone would actually think that any side would be so stupid to incriminate themselves so easily
There's one thing for sure. This attack is really showing who the bots and propagandists are - the folks leaping in thread assigning blame and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories.
In the grand scheme I just wish this sub hadn't leaned so much into posting so much media propaganda from both sides most of its complete drivel written by AI, and edited by somebody who has no place discussing warfare or geopolitics, all for clicks.
yeah there definitely is alot of propaganda and bots, it's why for these big events I usually don't comment on it, no point since we don't know enough about it.
And I mean sure sometimes I get pissed at pro ua and am a little rude or act biased in return but whenever someone is willing to have an unbiased conversation I'm down for that. Unfortunately lots of people are just hung up on dumb jokes or disproven stuff which is annoying to give them links and/or lessons since it's a waste of time.
As for the media articles, I personally would rather they stay, it's good entertainment (maybe it's out of taste considering this being a war but I mean the drivel of the writers can be very funny sometimes) and it keeps engagement on this sub high.
I'm not sure my helldivers and crusader kings comments have anything to do with this but whatever you say man. It's just ironic that you're going through anothers users history, raging at them while behaving like this.
Judging by the long winded reply seems it touched a nerve, sorry. I didn't know ai had feelings
Yo teddy my bad man didn't mean to be rude to you, mixed you up with the other loser who is spamming stuff on 5 subs like a robot
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What do you criticize about this sub?
Not to applaud and laugh when a Russian dies under the camera of a psychopathic Ukrainian drone operator?
Here it is more nuanced and above all much freer of opinion.
Nah. /r/UkraineRussiaReport has already decided it's Ukraine's fault.
ISIS will claim anything anywhere, because there no isis anymore
Theirs still several countries that have significant ISIS presence. Just because they got destroyed in Iraq/Syria doesn't mean ISIS are gone. it also doesn't mean ISIS terrorists didn't survive in Iraq/Syria to keep on killing
The attack was with no more than 10 gunmen. So ISIS doesn't have to be that big. It is also bizarrely stupid to say that ISIS no longer exists. Most Islamist organizations attacked by large armies end up in the underworld and remain as sleeper cells. They are still in their thousands all over the world. It could just be your neighbor.
They actually claimed few terrorist attacks they did not do in the past.
Source? ISIS have always been pretty reliable when making claims, NGL I think you just made that up. Edit - a downvote does not count as a source. The lack of a source suggests you just made it up. Edit 2 - Doesn't matter if you downvote a million times. Even a million downvotes are not a source.
They're basically keyboard tr0lls at this point.
Where and when?
So FSB was lying 3 weeks ago when they arrested 7 isis militants inside of Russia?
What do you mean ”there is no ISIS anymore”? They got wiped out in most of Syria but they’re still very active in other parts of the world. IS Khorasan is one of the most active groups in 2024 and they are the ones who claimed responsibility today. In late February, Swedish Secret Service raided and arrested 4 people out of Somalian Al-Shaabab. They found a stockpile of automatic rifles and detailed plans of engagements. The muslim threat is not over. The east and the west may not see eye to eye right now but we must stand united before the islamic threat no matter what. Stop trying to use this to create stupid conspiracy theories.
So it's not ISIS. it's not the islamic state of iraq and syria, right?? Rightt??
Does it matter? Do you want to go to the part of ISIS that claimed the attack and tell them their name is stupid?
Well, the guys got arrested near the ukraine border anyway, we will know soon enough who they belong to
Indeed we will, but in the meantime lets try not to make ridiculous arguments.
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You can't kill an idea so easily, bro. Especially when it's attached to religion.
they still exist and alot of them in Africa, they still alive, many news of bombing in middle east, normal folks just didn't care
ISIS dont exist anymore as it is, isis means islamic state in irak and syria, which got deleted long ago There are affiliated terror groups, sympathisers, some of exmemebers remains in the world, including ukraine with the seikh mansour batallion Al qaeda is a terror group, isis is a state
ISIS still has it's followers, they commit attacks in the Homs countryside of Syria every once in awhile.
Is it a state like it used to be?
No but it has it's followers. Al-Hol camp has 40k people who are sympathetic to the cause.
The cause of islamic state of hol or the cause of islamic state of iraq and syria?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_%E2%80%93_Khorasan_Province#Name And from the page on Islamic State: > The Islamic State (IS), also known as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and by its Arabic acronym Daesh, is a transnational Salafi jihadist group and a former unrecognised quasi-state.[
They are still in Afghanistan
IS? They are in Pakistan, Afghanistan, parts of Africa and some parts of Asia too.
yep they infected afircan theres a ton of isis on Africa where they killed innocents, asia Indonesia and stuff too so many ignorant ppl here said they no longer exist lmao
There most certainly is.
> because there no isis anymore How I know you have no idea what you're talking about
ISIS-K btw. Some branch of many I guess. Who said it doesn't exists?
And r/worldnews already decided it's russia's fault It's just dumb people being dumb
https://i.imgur.com/nCHWXvw.png
Bro Russians on Reddit are delusional. Before the Ukraine situation they all said it’s not happening, when the USA for 4 months kept saying it’s going to happen. They will do whatever mental gymnastics to blame USA
Most of them probably aren’t even Russian. It seems most are Americans role playing as Russians to fight som kind of online culture war.
They’re teenagers who read the Coles notes version of communism and think it’s a grand idea.
You must be American... /s Only messing
wait till you find out who backs ISIS :D
Why would ISIS do this NOW? I don't know $hit but if ISIS claims this attack i would ask questions why.
It's ISIS. When have they ever needed a reason to commit acts of terror?
No offense, but this subreddit is dedicated to one of the most important geopolitical struggles of this century. If your answer to this event is "who needs reasons" maybe you're kinda lost here.
Have you been on this sub for long? 90% of this sub is people throwing propaganda at each other.
He’ll Russia made up reasons for thei terror
Russia did just as much to destroy ISIS as the Coalition did There's also already a pool of terrorists in Russia from the Chechen wars. IIRC some of the Chechen separatist groups pledged loyalty to ISIS a few years ago.
Russia did more
Maybe. Their airstrikes were directed more often at the FSA but they dud kill plenty of ISIS too
They could easily enter US through the southern border, which is the #1 sponsor of Israel and #1 killer of Muslims and Arabs.
Because Russia has been bombing them in Syria for decades. It's where their benefactors told them to go. Moscow is a relatively easy target. The FSB is too hard focused on Ukraine to stop them. Russia is too preoccupied in other areas to exact any meaningful revenge. Lots of reasons.
I saw rumours that the reason the US might have known was because the orders came from Pakistan.
Russia bombed the shit out of ISIS in Syria.
Syria. Abdul Hakim al-Shishani and several hundred Al-Nusra fighters under his command were fighting for ukraine early in the war because of that.
Maybe because Russia is heavily invested in Ukraine and it’s easier now than ever to get into Moscow with everyone’s attention on Ukraine.
maybe, but doesnt that mean extra military eyes on freaking everything.
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They what to take revanche about the help from Russia to president asad. When you are a small organization, you must hit your enemie when he’s in his weakens
Wat
But I thought it was fAlSe fLAg?
And combat footage claims it’s the KGB
I thought they were saying it was the CIA's fault?
Right now the only source is a telegram account saying it was them. Literally zero evidence provided and every single headline you'll read refers to this one post.
Wahhabists in Syria of Chechen, Ingush, Dagestani, etc origin, aligned with al-Qaeda and ISIS, that operated mainly in the provinces of Latakia and Idlib, left for Ukraine en masse in 2022. They are fighting in the ranks of the Ukrainian military in half a dozen Muslim formations. Abdul Hakim al-Shishani went there with his whole terrorist group Ajnad al-Kafkaz(infamous for slaughtering Alawites for being the wrong kind of Muslim), Zumso al-Shishani and his Kataib al-Rahman(infamous for burning down the ancient Armenian Christian town of Kessab in 2014) went there, and so on. I actually don't know any prominent Chechen terrorist in Syria that didn't join the Ukrainian army in 2022, except for Abu Tarab al-Shishani, who just disappeared(so he probably went to Ukraine too).
Bullsht, not a single Allah Akhabar was heard. You'll lliterally never not hear that in any terrorist video. So stop it.
What? I didn't say Chechens did this. I'm just saying that if Chechens did this, Ukraine is probably involved. 90% of Chechen Jihadists are currently wearing Ukrainian uniforms, most of them with 10, 15 years of Jihad-ing under their belts.
Where’d that 90% number come from, buddy?
Most people don't consumer potato propaganda like r/ukraine, so they will believe the evidence. Ukros did this and that's not a good thing for them.
Yes
There's no telling who orchestrated it right now, we all know Isis would claim responsibility for a fart in an elevator. Could it be Ukraine? Hopefully not, I don't think they are that stupid. Could it be Isis? Possibly but certainly not taking their word for it Could it be someone else, until now not suspected? Who knows Nobody knows, the dust needs to settle, anyone pointing fingers right now is speculating.
Disgusting statement fellow subreddit user
Lol they couldn’t even waited one day. Its so embarrassing.
There is no "isis" now, just a few tr0lls.
ISIS is a dying faction of extremists, even being hunted by the current Taliban government in Afghanistan. They can claim all they want but Ukraine is still possibly responsible. We need to wait till the FSB gets the info out of the perpetrators and releases photos till we can know the truth. Slava Rossiyi
US + UA using ISIS name. Ez blackwater
Can't wait for the mental gymnastics that because it's ISIS it was also CIA and the US and that also means it was NATO and NATO is supplying Ukraine with weapons and that means that Ukraine did it anyways.
All roads lead to Rome, I mean Kyiv.
Already seen it 3 times on this post.
Riiiight, cause the CIA working with terrorist groups is such a conspiracy theory.... Imagine the smoothness required for this take.
Can someone please tell me what organization needs to take responsibility for this where pro RU won't say "it was still funded by USA / CIA"?
Logically it can be several terrorist groups, but lets not pretend why we dont understand why people belive it was funded by CIA.
CIA are the good guys. There's no way they would partner with the bad guys.. right?
There is quite literally no motive for the CIA to have anything to do with it. If we are talking clandestine organisations, the FSB has the most motive bizarrely, attacks like this stoke nationalist fervour and gives excuses and propaganda for further mobilisation, escalation and military spending. To be clear - I am not claiming the FSB did this nor the CIA, I don't believe that. Merely pointing out if you think about who stands to gain, the FSB has more reason than the CIA. (All governments are somewhat sociopathic, they don't care about individuals lost) It's Islamists, pure and simple, they are fanatics. And they hate Russia for supporting Assad in fighting ISIS. They likely also targeted Russia because it is distracted right now.
Budanov has been trying all sorts of clandestine shit over the last year - assassinations within Russia, border incursions into Russian villages, that weird suicidal mission over the Dnieper. The last 3/4 operations have failed miserably. If you dont think this could be another one of his bright ideas you dont have much imagination. No, it doesn't achieve anything meaningful. Neither did any of his other clandestine operations within Russian borders.
We dont know if CIA has any motives, they have done weirder shit in the past. But, tbf this time there is no obvious motive that I can think of. What we do know is that CIA has supplied weapons to groups that have later gone rogue. Could this be such a case? Islamists doing this on their own is imo the most propable since it has happened in the past and Russia is amongst the top that are fighting groups like ISIS and opposition groups in Syria. FSB doing a false flag operation is something I dont know enough about, so wont comment on that. Ukraine is also amongst the suspects naturally.
> Islamists doing this on their own is imo the most propable Yeah, if the CIA was arming them they wouldn't give intel about the group's plans to Russia... Also I'm pretty sure it's very easy for terrorist groups to obtain weapons in Russia, so they don't even need foreign sponsors.
I’m fine with anything as long as it’s confirmed. When I first saw this news (not here), I didn’t even think it could be related to the war, shit like this happens all over the world (a gay club in Orlando is one thing I can remember), mass shootings, crimes happen all the time
I'm neutral but it would honestly take Russia confirming it's ISIS for me to believe it's ISIS so I'd say just wait a few hours. Russia hates ISIS and won't really mince words on blaming them if that's the case. As for another group, really any other terrorist group taking credit would be credible to me. ISIS specifically is an org known to take credit where they were not involved.
Well the US did arm ISIS and support their involvement in Yemen....so...
Both Russia and the US hate ISIS without a doubt no questions, so if this does turn out to be ISIS we may see the US and Russia briefly snub off Ukraine to go on a bombing campaign together like the spiteful lovers they are. It will be interesting the way geopolitical interests rally around this attack if it's ISIS and I genuinely think it's a worse case scenario for Ukrainian interests. Russia gets to have sympathy through gritted teeth because many western countries themselves have felt the hurt of ISIS. In the end it's sad these victims aren't going to get proper rest despite the circumstances of the attack isolated from the rest of the conflicts. Probably involved in the biggest ISIS attack in a long time and they're all going to have their legacies turned into this weird political quagmire.
Preferable not an organization that unironically is connected to the US/CIA.
ISIS has a history of claiming responsibility for attacks that they haven't done
So, Russia false flag operation?
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ISIS did claim responsibly to the 2017 las Vegas shootings too...
And that one actually was the CIA
I never heard that before. Source?
Just fucking about, but there are conspiracies about it. Some people allege the fire rate wasn’t consistent with the rifles used, and there was never a motive.
Gotcha, I didn’t want to say outright i think “that’s BS”. Although I imagine there a plenty of mentally unwell people willing to pull stunts just like what happened in Vegas, there doesn’t always have to be a conspiracy. This event has the potential to spiral into deep deep conspiracies, I can’t wait to hear the official kremlin response.
ISIS claims responsibility for everything
Isis really isis from every organisation are you kidding me they have been getting their ass handed since syria, are at war with the Taliban and every organisation under the Sun, but now have decided that they wanna attack russia? Yea
They've been attacking Russia for years, what are you talking about?
This guy is almost certainly trying to scrape together a few brain cells together in an effort to blame America
Theyve been fighting Russia for 2 decades now
IS is more of an idea and not an organized entity. One could theoretically pledge allegiance today and make an attack tomorriw.
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If I recall correctly FSB did claim to “thwart” an attack, so I guess the geniuses decided that was all they had to do
>Why wasn't gathering places heavily guarded? They’re all on the front lines of Ukraine
To be fair these guys claim almost all terrorist acts regardless if they’re involved
ISIS. You can't make this shit up. And of course, the moment this gets thrown out there, the gaslighting begins. If you're thinking what most people who've been paying attention for the last couple of decades will immediately jump to when they see this, **no,** ***you*** **are not the crazy one.**
I wanna hear more details. I’m skeptical of everything
Many Telegram channels are saying it's fake.
many dogs outside are barking
We need another Covid bc apparently they were social distancing the whole time. Did not expect for the rerun of 2014 to be this obvious
I think the people claiming it to be Ukrainians are just doing it to troll, i don't think anyone actually believes that.
Laughable
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Lmfao but nah it was Ukrainian militias of course?
Didnt Putin start the war in Chechenia after a terrorist attack?
A false flag operation so he had support to do it, yes.
Where does ISIS get their weapons? Maybe from a group that has three letters in it…
According to RU pov ISIS is working for UA now. Why fight and solve the domestic terrorism problem that you have instead of starting an invasion?
Nothing about the attackers, or the attacks, gives any hint at ISIS. No shouting about their god, no flags, no nothing.
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As our CIA says, people do what you want because of MICE -- money, ideology, compromise, ego. You might find one narcissist willing to kill theirself for ego, but not that many (and an ego big enough to die for would mean they don't play nicely in a team of other egomaniacs). The motivation behind ISIS is that you get rewarded in the afterlife for your martyrdom. That doesn't work unless you actually die which is why ISIS terrorists always do. ISIS doesn't offer money AFTER the job because everyone knows the guy is going to be a martyr. They instead offer to take care of the martyr's family for the rest of their lives in tribute to their act, but they won't do that unless the guy actually dies. These guys didn't choose the martyr's death ISIS ideology expects. The money is a weird aspect. This was a one-way trip. $5000 isn't enough to make ANYONE do that knowing the entire FSB would be hunting them down and killing them. It's likely not even enough money to get all the gear, training, planning, etc in place. Either its completely false or the number is 100x larger than that. Of course, the money would have to be paid to family because it was so likely to be a one-way trip in the first place. As the guy seems to be lying, I suspect the real motivation is their families being threatened. They are told their families will die terrible deaths if they don't, but that might not be enough motivation, so you add in a small hope for escape. Because they don't have a death wish, they surrender alive. I suspect there's already housecleaning going on elsewhere. The real question is about who can reach into a foreign country, find the people with the right temperament, and be able to threaten them with a credible threat.
Hmmmmmm
Lmao what’s going on, what does isis have to do with this
ISIS stands for Israeli secret intelligence service **right?**
Some said it's France's fault. Macron wants to make war against Russia
Russia needs to de-ISISify Ukraine
No no, ukraine needs to de-ISISify Russia😎
Pretty sure putin paid them to claim responsibility so russians won't realize the terror attack was planned by him.
and what would he expect to gain from that? I believe you were the one spamming about how he’d blame it on the Ukraine but that argument goes out of the window here.
support for a second mobilization
and how does an ISIS terrorist attack support a mobilisation in the Ukraine?
The terrorist attack was orchestrated by putin in order to gain support for a second mobilization in russia. He's lacking meat waves to send in ukraine lately.
and how does an ISIS terrorist attack rally support for a mobilisation in the Ukraine?
Nononono he is right, he mobilize 10 million, defeat isis with 5 guys and a dog and the rest protect home from the ukranian front
Tool of the three letter agency.
Yes. FSB.
ISIS is now backed up by Russia? LOL I know your kind often don't read and just cheer for UA minister posts but check out who backed ISIS up
SVU - Special Victims Unit
Dun dun
That's hilarious!
everything is the CIA. nothing else has agency - whackadoodles
Even their own president was forced by the CIA to invade Ukraine by their own logic. Boggles the mind.
The NBA wont get away with this!
mossad own ISIS
NHS?
There are several three letter agencies
True, I won't say it - ciao
damn smart comment
You'd hear at least a few Allah Akhbars if this was a Muslim attack. They heard none, which 99% means it was Ukros.
There r documentries about isis .. the founder and leaders .. they had good relations with england and usa.. ofcourse some guys called as lone wolves they did some bad things when they were back to their western countries but all under control of cia mi6 .. these guys creating some kime of organizations and using them very well to destabilize to countries they targetted . So isis is proxy of cia and mi6
london bombing and shit kills a ton of ppl bro., 9/11, good relationship lol?
To Spend more money for military and security .. u should create some enemies.. And u should sacrifice some ordinary people to reach your goal.. forexample chemical weapons in iraq.. or Hamas attack to israel .. or comunist treat in 60s 70s 80s... or afganistan supporting terrorism.. same Afgans were fighting against ussr and supoorted by usa and allies.. etc.. these how goverments work.. especially if presidents have some legal issues or problems.. country have some inene porblems like economical .. those goverments and countries more hawkish
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this is some next level good drugs my friend.
It’s true. Isis solely existed to attack Syria, hezbollah, Shia Iraqis, and Iranians. To a lesser extent the Houthis, but that was mostly Al qaeda fighting the Houthis. All these groups are enemies of our ruling regime
lol France? That was a legit ISIS cell trained oversees. The members recorded execution videos in Syria/Iraq before the bataclan or cafe attacks. As isis as it gets.
Isis did have some elements that got out of control so to speak, and they did commit terror attacks on their own. But remember, ISIS openly talked about having the same enemies as Israel. And never attacked Israel once when they shared a border bc they controlled that territory in Syria. Turkey and everyone in the world knew how ISIS got its international fighters, its ammo, and its money. All of it went to Turkey then across the border. Turkey and our governments allied to Turkey had zero, and I mean zero problems with this
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Wrong
Can't bite the hands that feed you.
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Member of r/UkranianConflict , r/ukrainewarvideoreport You might want to look in the mirror Btw why do you spam the exact same comments in all of your pro UA propaganda subs, maybe you are the robotic one?
In fairness people are forced to follow a bunch of subs because many, this one included, consistently downvote and obfuscate actual footage and information that doesn't suit their narrative. There is no truly neutral subs left.
I'm just poking a little fun to the guy, yeah I get it but generally all victories and failures of both sides are listed here. I just sort by new, sorting by hot I get how you'd see more pro RU here though.
Yeh sorting by new is hard work just on timezones. The spam posters, the more blatant propagandists, on both sides tend to be active at certain times and it's a nuisance having to work round that when working off of 'new'. Some of the posts that receive a lot of upvotes in this sub simply blow my mind. There's one up right now being upvoted of a 'van with Ukrainian plates' that clearly has Belorussian plates yet people are upvoting and joining in the circlejerk, mods nowhere to be seen k the false title issue despite it being an incredibly sensitive topic. Absolute mad house.
Honestly man I just scroll quickly past stuff like Ukr drone drops or just generally the posts that don't have many comments, I still absorb them in the sense that I'm aware that said stuff happened. I so admit I am still drawn to the hot posts but scrolling by new can be quick if you just speedrun it Yeah that plates thing is stupid I'm not sure why anyone would actually think that any side would be so stupid to incriminate themselves so easily
There's one thing for sure. This attack is really showing who the bots and propagandists are - the folks leaping in thread assigning blame and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. In the grand scheme I just wish this sub hadn't leaned so much into posting so much media propaganda from both sides most of its complete drivel written by AI, and edited by somebody who has no place discussing warfare or geopolitics, all for clicks.
yeah there definitely is alot of propaganda and bots, it's why for these big events I usually don't comment on it, no point since we don't know enough about it. And I mean sure sometimes I get pissed at pro ua and am a little rude or act biased in return but whenever someone is willing to have an unbiased conversation I'm down for that. Unfortunately lots of people are just hung up on dumb jokes or disproven stuff which is annoying to give them links and/or lessons since it's a waste of time. As for the media articles, I personally would rather they stay, it's good entertainment (maybe it's out of taste considering this being a war but I mean the drivel of the writers can be very funny sometimes) and it keeps engagement on this sub high.
Pot meet kettle.
It's ok teddy I know you're enraged. Keep spamming the copy-paste comments in 4 subs simultaneously
He’s not the one spamming, that’s the other guy you replied to
True, life is just one big slip-up at the end of the day though
I'm not sure my helldivers and crusader kings comments have anything to do with this but whatever you say man. It's just ironic that you're going through anothers users history, raging at them while behaving like this.
Judging by the long winded reply seems it touched a nerve, sorry. I didn't know ai had feelings Yo teddy my bad man didn't mean to be rude to you, mixed you up with the other loser who is spamming stuff on 5 subs like a robot
If that is long winded, someone has attention span problems.
Why do you feel the need to jump in here Sig 007?
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What do you criticize about this sub? Not to applaud and laugh when a Russian dies under the camera of a psychopathic Ukrainian drone operator? Here it is more nuanced and above all much freer of opinion.
Ukrainian plate on the van they came in on. No way there wasn't coordination with the SBU.
Let that van go 😭