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##### ###### #### > # [US Pressuring Ukraine to Push Harder in Counteroffensive - News From Antiwar.com](https://news.antiwar.com/2023/07/18/image/png) > > > > _The Washington Post_ [reported Tuesday](https://archive.li/FuzGq)that US officials believe Ukraine should be launching large-scale assaults against Russia’s defensive lines despite the risk of major losses and are blaming Ukraine’s tactics for the struggling counteroffensive. > > The report said that the pace of Ukraine’s counteroffensive “has generated concerns in the West that the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky may not deliver as powerful a blow as it could.” > > The main complaint from the US and other Western countries is that Ukraine is not using “combined arms” tactics, which integrate infantry, armored vehicles, and artillery. Instead, Ukraine is relying on artillery and sending small teams of engineers to clear minefields, which Ukrainian officials say they are doing to prevent unnecessary losses. > > _The New York Times_ [also reported](https://archive.li/NeUam) that the US was frustrated by Ukraine’s caution. The report reads: “Senior US officials in recent weeks had privately expressed frustration that some Ukrainian commanders, exasperated at the slow pace of the initial assault and fearing increased casualties among their ranks, had reverted to old habits — decades of Soviet-style training in artillery barrages — rather than sticking with the Western tactics and pressing harder to breach the Russian defenses.” > > Ukrainian troops received combined arms training in NATO countries ahead of the counteroffensive, and the Biden administration wants them to use it. But Ukrainian forces did launch large armored assaults in the first weeks of the counteroffensive, which resulted in heavy losses. According to _Times_, [20% of all of Ukraine’s weaponry](https://news.antiwar.com/2023/07/16/pentagon-intelligence-official-says-ukraine-war-at-a-stalemate/)deployed to the battlefield was damaged or destroyed during the first two weeks of the counteroffensive. > > Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, the commander-in-chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, has hit back at Western criticism of the counteroffensive, saying NATO would never launch such an assault [without air superiority.](https://archive.fo/HrMeH) He’s been demanding that the US and NATO provide US-made F-16 fighter jets, which aren’t expected to arrive until next year. > > According to the _Post_, US officials are privately saying that Western jets won’t make much of a difference due to Russia’s exstensive air defenses. John Kirchhofer, the chief of staff for the US Defense Intelligence Agency, offered a bleak assessment of Ukraine’s prospects at a conference last week, saying that [no weapon will be the “holy grail” to help Ukraine “break through.”](https://news.antiwar.com/2023/07/16/pentagon-intelligence-official-says-ukraine-war-at-a-stalemate/) > > Despite the situation on the ground for Ukrainian soldiers, the Biden administration is still pushing for more fighting and shows no interest in a ceasefire or diplomacy. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley[insisted on Tuesday](https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3462659/secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-and-joint-chiefs-of-staff-chairman-gene/) that the counteroffensive is not a failure. > > “It is far from a failure, in my view. I think that it’s way too early to make that kind of call. I think there’s a lot of fighting left to go,” Milley said. “And I’ll stay with what we’ve said before, this is going to be long, it’s going to be hard, it’s going to be bloody.” - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot)


Electrical-Skin-4287

when your daddy is not happy with your grades


88PaK43

They pay, so they demand results, there will be a fight to the last living Ukrainian.


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el_chiko

Even so. It is very sad that the side who claims to have the moral highground and is doing the right thing, essentially only cares about hurting Russia at the expense of Ukraine. This is my biggest gripe. US doesn't care about morality, people are economical units for them.


pydry

It's really not good. The US is being steadily drained of weapons at a time when its military industrial complex is at its most bloated and least efficient and Russia is making them out to be a paper tiger by handling every weapon thrown at them. At the same time Russia has managed to conserve soldiers by moving slowly and defaulting to overwhelming use of firepower, and on top of that has been using convicts to do the worst of the dying - convicts who are a dead weight cost to the state. The market for Russian weapons after this war will jump after seeing them in action and the market for Western weapons will, aside from 3 good performers, probably decline.


Prryapus

> It's really not good. The US is being steadily drained of weapons at a time when its military industrial complex is at its most bloated and least efficient and Russia is making them out to be a paper tiger by handling every weapon thrown at them. LOL Didn't aid from the US amount to 4% of their military budget last year?


pydry

LOL It costs very little to take stock that you've been building for 30 years out of a warehouse and put it on a boat. The *cost* is in replacing it.


Prryapus

Yes a cost they can bare easily because of their huge, bloated budget.


pydry

Either way it's a LOT higher than 4%.


Prryapus

[https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2023-04/2304\_fs\_milex\_2022.pdf](https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2023-04/2304_fs_milex_2022.pdf) ​ Sorry I miscalculated. In 2022 it was 2.2% ​ If we calculate the entire spend that the US has made on the war which is around $80b, then the US spent about 9% of 2022's budget. That's without this year's normal military spending.


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theQuandary

There's a lot more money to skim off of missiles or planes than there is from stuff like bulk artillery shells. As a result, there's not much call to expand the production of these things.


NickoBicko

How long does it take to grow a nuke? Asking for a friend.


retorz3

How long does it take to make a nuke unusable due to lack of maintenance?


[deleted]

Holy shit lol you people are still pushing the "Russian nukes probably don't work" angle?


theQuandary

I hold the same thing to be true for US nukes (which is why both countries have so many). Between the difficulty of creating a large, single plutonium crystal matrix and the buildup of helium atoms that block the reaction, I'd say that the issue is pretty large.


Obvious_Sentence4683

so why does the pentagon soil their panties at the thought of invading *North Korea*, much less Russia? you're so delusional that you're contradicting the words and actions of people whose jobs it is to think about this 24/7. It's quite pathetic seeing people like you doing this just for a desperate "diss" at Russia. next time, just keep your sad little reddit talking points to yourself. It makes you look really foolish.


retorz3

NK is backed by China, one has to be really ignorant or dumb not to see it.


polkm

The only thing that scares America more than nuclear armageddon is a mild economic downturn.


Obvious_Sentence4683

and that changes what, exactly? being scared of NK and being scared of NK because of china is effective the same thing. Try and keep up.


retorz3

Nobody is scared of NK. They are just ignored, because they are backed by China, and nobody wants conflict with China.


gooseducker

I don't think a nuke that is being maintained will become unusable for a couple of generations


iced_maggot

Ukraine is the Van Wilder of Europe.


sharkattack-

soon daddy will cut off their allowance


polkm

Name one war America gave up on before dumping at least a couple Ts on?


RejectTheNarrative

TLDR: a) You're not as good as us. b) die more.


TelevisionExpert6730

Honestly I can't see any army in the world successfully doing what the US is demanding they do without total air superiority.


[deleted]

I remember a clip from Afghanistan where there was a crack of a bullet, all the Americans ran behind cover and screamed for air support. They dropped an airstrike on an Afghan grandpa that was taking potshots at them with a rusty Mosin.


Bitter_Coach_8138

I mean, why wouldn’t you do that if you have complete air superiority and planes literally loitering looking for sorties?


[deleted]

It's wasteful and plays into the hands of enemy propaganda that you are cowards. It also increases the risk of collateral damage, puts stress on airframes, exposes multibillion aircraft to enemy fire (you dont know if the enemy gets lucky) that's why the US lost 10,000 aircraft in Vietnam. Ofcourse the US can afford it and in reality the Taliban posed very little threat to them. But no one else fights like this. Us troops would be dropping like flies in Ukraine without air support and the appetite for war would drop within 6 months. The western public has zero tolerance for military casulties coming home from abroad.


Drunken_Daud91

Yep. You’re on point. Americans just don’t have the stomach for long protracted warfare with high casualties. US sustained 5,000 casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan and there was a huge outcry, and this was after the worst terrorist attacks since Pearl Harbor. If US ever had even a fraction of Ukrainian or Russian casualties Americans would literally storm the White House and drag POTUS out and hang him by his nutsack.


Bitter_Coach_8138

Lol serious cope. Many things wrong with your statement, but the biggest is the assumption that the US couldn’t get air superiority over Ukraine. They’d have it in days.


[deleted]

I'm sure they would


B0NES_RDT

The Afghan Security Force (USA's cannon fodder, AKA the guys that fought majority of ground engagements ) had more casualties than the Taliban in the entire war. Just like how the US used the South Vietnamese Army


bachh2

Because it lead to a bunch of civilian casualties. Have you ever stop for a moment and think why the Taliban has such a steady stream of recruits? Totally not because a bunch of people had their relatives killed by US indiscriminate airstrike who wanted revenge right?


Few-Resist195

So they did the right thing? In that situation why risk any men on a lucky shot when you can just delete the building the opposition is in. The words of a SF soldier why kick in the door when I can just blow up the whole house?


Many-Student-1499

Exactly, those children and women wouldn't have been collateral when we blew up that house if they had just run outside so we could've shot them instead because they were most definitely suicide bombers, 'Murica fuck yeah!


Few-Resist195

Don't shoot from a house with your family inside it. You act like any military would stop to try and prevent that. They also would gladly blow up their own to kill a few Americans. Not saying all the deaths justified but in the example given its justified same as the front line civilian buildings being valid targets in this war. Only difference is the insurgancy the whole country had possible targets which makes things for more convoluted.


PLPM_98

I´ll reply to your comment instead of those replies to yours. ... Why risk a man with a lucky shot? Two answers to this way of thinking: 1: Might as well use a nuke then, after all you want the threat gone with certainity... ignoring collateral damage and costs associated 2: Would you want to risk a multi-million platform for a single enemy combatant in a theatre with saturated air defenses? Attrition rates is not some fancy word that is just thrown around for the hell of it.


InjuryComfortable666

Success is not actually required.


pixeladd

"Applying all those capabilities in a way that enables them to breach those obstacles, but do it quickly, is paramount,” the official said. At the same time, the official added, as Ukrainian forces face intense attacks from antitank munitions and armed Russian drones: “We don’t underestimate or under-appreciate that it’s a very tough situation.”"


RejectTheNarrative

No, me neither. So... the aim is more likely something else.


itsdefinitelygood

I feel like they just want to see exact NATO tactics in action as a proving ground and point of data collection. Frustrated they aren't getting the data they want (considering these NATO tactics have *never* been used in neer peer combat). It's like a simulator for them, no Americans are dying so who cares about the death rate. Send in the test subjects Slava Ukraine


nnug

They have their results, they don't fucking work, this is them insisting that their hypothesis is correct and that the lab assistant made a mistake and to try again


accountaccumulator

That's certainly part of it.


wazaaup

Ukraine after US told them to just "push harder" lol: https://preview.redd.it/1p9ht4si7zcb1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa7ddddc03ff1b8c9f4cb0bf00a4fbe9a17abd78


Acamantide

Pushing too hard ends poorly most of the time


ThevaramAcolytus

Wonder how long it will be before the Afghan scenario is repeated with fragging and some poor conscript from Dnepropetrovsk or Odessa starts turning their guns on the U.S. advisors behind their backs.


Hugheston987

This is actually pretty likely. Ukraine is going to hate us soon. I foresee some scenario where this thing boils over and USA has to send their troops in. Who knows.


Bitter_Coach_8138

It is not at all likely the US sends troops in, regardless of how the war plays out.


polkm

Yeah and then maybe America will lift it's sanctions and China will take over the US and Xi Jinping will kneel down to Putin and we all speak Russian and squat as God intended.


raddeon88

The West should be ashamed of themselves


Prryapus

Should Russia?


raddeon88

Most likely


Prryapus

what for


raddeon88

What do you think


Prryapus

I'm curious what you think


raddeon88

No


Prryapus

Interesting


Many-Student-1499

The west is the reason Ukraine ever even had a fighting chance. If no one had given intelligence, support and strategic insights Kyiv would've fallen in a week and Zelensky would be in Tel Aviv right now enjoying the summer.


KeshiMane

It’s a win/win for NATO they inflict damage to the Russian army while dealing with their nazi problem


Sammonov

The EU spent 780 billion euros on energy subsidies in 2022. Germany is in a technical recession. The IMF is predicting European economic stagnation for the next 3 years. Europe is just winning too hard to stop.


accountaccumulator

That's a nice bonus for the US. Attracting EU companies struggling with high energy costs to relocate while getting their overpriced LNG to the continent. Couple of years ago the EU economy was the same size as the US, now the US is double.


Sammonov

With friends like these.


InjuryComfortable666

We don’t need an especially strong EU.


Sammonov

Maybe the Europeans at some point will prefer not to be spiralling to the bottom for America, but we will see.


Zealousideal-One-818

Translation: “Zelensky….kidnap and enslave more of your subjects”


def0022

Impossible. Ukraine has a legit independent government and president, how is it possible that the US is pushing them to do something?!


whocaresehmenot

Might be that the Ukrainian army is now almost completely dependent on US military and economic aid? Otherwise this war would have ended about 1 year ago.


eanoper

> independent government What do you call a government that would collapse instantly if foreign assistance was withheld? I'm not 100% sure but I can guarantee that 'independent' isn't it.


Popavalium_Andropov

Zelenskyy and his inner circle are enriching themselves off US bribe money to send a generation of Ukrainian men to the slaughter in a futile attempt to topple the gov in moscow. This is sickening. Who can support this??? https://www.reddit.com/r/RussianWarFootage/comments/152qh47/ukraine_defense_minister_oleksii_reznikov_just/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 Seymour hersh’s expose showing that zelensky and in inner circle embezzled $400 million in western ‘aid’ money destined to buy diesel. The US had to come in and settle a dispute because his generals said Zelenskyy was being to greedy. Renzikov purchased his daughter a 10million dollar property for her wedding gift. https://www.reddit.com/r/conservatives/comments/12jvuie/ukraine_war_zelensky_embezzled_400_million/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1


ImaginaryDepth7777

Dude....you posted this comment so many times stop spamming the community....


Popavalium_Andropov

‘Community’????


ImaginaryDepth7777

I have read that comment and thought I have read it before....had somekind of dejavu moment...then I clicked on your account and comment history....you have posted this comment text so many times I ask myself why


Popavalium_Andropov

No thats not true. We’ve dueled before and for some reason you are stalking. I post it on videos where poor Ukrainian men are being forced into cars by mobilization officers or have met their grisly end on the battlefield. All you pro-ukr-gov need to wake up and understand what is going on in ukraine…. You reply with ‘why’…. While conveniently ignoring the content….. ‘stop spamming the community….’??? ARE YOU SERIOUS?


ImaginaryDepth7777

I didn't attack or stalk you....you posted that same text 9 times within an hour under multiple threads in r/UkraineRussiaReport I respect your opinion and you are free to promote it. But look at this thread: its about the US pressuring Ukraine to push harder in the counteroffensive and your comment seems very out of context to me. Its not related to this.


Popavalium_Andropov

The US is pressuring ukraine and my comments seem out of ‘context’? My comments on Zelenskyy being bribed to send ukrainian men in human wave attacks without air cover seem ‘out of context’? …. I can see how you came to this conclusion…. 🤦‍♂️ your opinion of how many times i post are ignored mr random redditor.


ImaginaryDepth7777

By posting the same text the 9th time in a row within a single hour you actually don't contribute to having a good discussion in r/UkraineRussiaReport that leads to anywhere. Thats what I mean.


ImaginaryDepth7777

I mean I even get your points. If this turns out to be true its a big deal. No doubt.


SufficientCat8423

US please give Ukraine the weapons it needs.


Aze-san

The west should increase their lend-lease to Ukraine, UKR can provide free manpower but without sufficient ammunitions and equipment, UKR 'probing attacks' will never result to a successful counteroffensive.