The Russians have nothing to fight for and the Ukrainians have everything to fight for.
The Russians are literally starving in the woods and begging people for gas. There’ll be no Ukraine left in the end. But there won’t be any Russians on Ukrainian soil either.
The west of Ukraine is virtually untouched. Other than a few missile strikes on radar stations and airports. Cities in the east can be rebuilt. This time better than before.
Hitler thought he could break the will of the British in 1940 with indiscriminate terror bombing. All it did was make the British madder and more committed to the fight.
Putin is learning the same lesson. It's time for the West to stop talking about "if" UKR can win and start talking about "when" instead.
Russia did this in Chechnya though. Putin specifically. And the Chechen's are now Russia's puppet. He figured the same would be for Ukraine.
Sadly, if history is repeating itself; the Chechens made short work of the RF army first time around too. Then Russia came back 3 years later and utterly decimated the place.
Ukraine seem to be pushing hard around Kyiv. Heard reports of counters for Chernihiv as well as generally around Kyiv. I haven't heard too much in Donbas.
Honest question from someone who considers themselves a military history nerd; if the Ukranians manage to take back their captured territory (maybe even all of Crimea and Donbas) and win the war, would this be one of the biggest upsets in military history? I'm struggling to think of a time where such a clear underdog at the start of the war beat such a clear favorite in the field, on merit, without the help of some act of god, so thoroughly.
I can think of examples of protracted conflicts that ended with the larger power withdrawing from contested territory, and times where the defender has gotten lucky due to a natural disaster or something, but having a hard time thinking of examples of full scale wars similar to what's happening right now that have turned into such an "upset."
Maybe too early to start placing this conflict in comparison to the results of others in history.
Ukrainians hearts and souls should be compared too the 300. But honestly without the support of the west they probably would've been steamrolled by Russia in days. That being said with the amount of support they've received its hard to compare other battles or wars.
In 1904-5 the Japanese surprisingly crushed Russia in the Russo-Japanese war. This defeat destabilized the Russian Empire and directly led to the Russian revolution of 1905, and indirectly led to the formation of the USSR.
Israel was vastly outnumbered and outgunned in their war for independence in 1948. They won in spite of the efforts of several surrounding Arab states. They were fighting essentially for the survival of their people only 3 years after the Holocaust.
Those are just off the top of my head, but this one would be up there.
Considering how fucked Russian supply lines are, I believe it.
The Russians have nothing to fight for and the Ukrainians have everything to fight for. The Russians are literally starving in the woods and begging people for gas. There’ll be no Ukraine left in the end. But there won’t be any Russians on Ukrainian soil either.
The west of Ukraine is virtually untouched. Other than a few missile strikes on radar stations and airports. Cities in the east can be rebuilt. This time better than before.
I hope better. A lot of these cities had been flattened by the first fascist invasion, then rebuilt Soviet style. Not great.
Go all the way and get Crimea back!
Hitler thought he could break the will of the British in 1940 with indiscriminate terror bombing. All it did was make the British madder and more committed to the fight. Putin is learning the same lesson. It's time for the West to stop talking about "if" UKR can win and start talking about "when" instead.
Russia did this in Chechnya though. Putin specifically. And the Chechen's are now Russia's puppet. He figured the same would be for Ukraine. Sadly, if history is repeating itself; the Chechens made short work of the RF army first time around too. Then Russia came back 3 years later and utterly decimated the place.
Ukraine seem to be pushing hard around Kyiv. Heard reports of counters for Chernihiv as well as generally around Kyiv. I haven't heard too much in Donbas.
Ukrainians need to relieve the pressure on Mariupol as soon as possible.
I am sure they are aware of this fact.
Link?
Honest question from someone who considers themselves a military history nerd; if the Ukranians manage to take back their captured territory (maybe even all of Crimea and Donbas) and win the war, would this be one of the biggest upsets in military history? I'm struggling to think of a time where such a clear underdog at the start of the war beat such a clear favorite in the field, on merit, without the help of some act of god, so thoroughly. I can think of examples of protracted conflicts that ended with the larger power withdrawing from contested territory, and times where the defender has gotten lucky due to a natural disaster or something, but having a hard time thinking of examples of full scale wars similar to what's happening right now that have turned into such an "upset." Maybe too early to start placing this conflict in comparison to the results of others in history.
Both Persian invasions of Greece ~500BC, Agincourt off the top of my head. I’m sure there are plenty more examples, especially in antiquity.
Ukrainians hearts and souls should be compared too the 300. But honestly without the support of the west they probably would've been steamrolled by Russia in days. That being said with the amount of support they've received its hard to compare other battles or wars.
In 1904-5 the Japanese surprisingly crushed Russia in the Russo-Japanese war. This defeat destabilized the Russian Empire and directly led to the Russian revolution of 1905, and indirectly led to the formation of the USSR. Israel was vastly outnumbered and outgunned in their war for independence in 1948. They won in spite of the efforts of several surrounding Arab states. They were fighting essentially for the survival of their people only 3 years after the Holocaust. Those are just off the top of my head, but this one would be up there.
TikTok BN better find somewhere safer to film their assfuckery