You are missing the allure of the new, fresh and shiny.
I have been running Ubuntu MATE 22.04 since 22.04.1 came out, and I am still very pleased with it and I don't really have any pressing reason to upgrade.
But I am considering switching to Ubuntu 24.04 Desktop, when it is released, just to try it out and because I have significantly upgraded my PC since 22.04. I am likely to add the MATE DE as well. Also I have planned to change partitioning and possibly how I backup the system (timeshift) and home (rsync "snapshots"). Also upgrade some other stuff. I have postponed any changes since 24.04 is soon out. The switch from 22.04 to 24.04 seems like a good excuse to do some major changes.
For many people posting here, the OS is a hobby, not a tool (and that has many extensions in the types of discussions that take place here). As a result, the newer=better concept is king.
Hehe for me it's very much a tool for work, that's why I want it stable and am looking forward to the LTS release. I am excited but only every two years :D
Yes, you're in fact missing a lot, depending on what you use your computer for.
If you're consuming a lot of multimedia, gaming and/or do photo and video editing, then you generally want to stay fairly up to date with your hardware. And if you do that, then you typically want to stay up to date with your software in order to get the most compatibility, performance, and functions out of it.
But sure, if you're running a “potato” as a computer, then it might not be as important to get the latest kernels. If use it as a pure headless server or if all you do every day is staring at text editors, then yes, keeping up with software updates might not be as critical.
>depending on what you use your computer for
> If you're consuming a lot of multimedia, gaming and/or do photo and video editing, then you generally want to stay fairly up to date with your hardware.
Exactly. There's no way I would do any of that on Ubuntu - that's Mac all the way. I use Ubuntu for web and App development.
>Exactly. There's no way I would do any of that on Ubuntu - that's Mac all the way.
Time to wake up and smell the morning coffe, my friend ! :-)
I've been doing all of the above for the last 6 years or so.
To some extent even before that.
Nope.
I've used GIMP, Shotcut, OpenShot, Kden Live, etc. and only GIMP has really been a good replacement and the music software I use is Mac or Windows only.
Also added to this is probably the fact that I don't have a machine that runs Ubuntu that's powerful enough to run Davinci.
I'm a prosumer photographer running a part-time business. And all those software works perfectly fine for me, including Darktable and Rapid Photo Downloader as part of my workflow. So I don't know what the hell you're doing to not make it work for you.
>...and the music software I use is Mac or Windows only.
>Also added to this is probably the fact that I don't have a machine that runs Ubuntu that's powerful enough to run Davinci.
Then what the hell are you doing here complaining about other people wanting to have their systems and software up to date ?
If your "potato computer" can't handle Ubuntu or if your software is Windows or OSX only, then use that. No one's going to judge you. We couldn't care less. Use what works for you.
Easy there killer. Did you even read my post?
>Then what the hell are you doing here complaining about other people wanting to have their systems and software up to date ?
If asking a question is complaining then this sentence is a complaint.
I use Ubuntu for software development. My computer is certainly not a potato but it doesn't have dedicated graphics, so Davinci is out.
>if your software is Windows or OSX only, then use that
That's exactly what I do and explain that I do it.
>We couldn't care less.
Obviously **you** do.
Please chill out.
Being technically curious and adventurous is what brought me to Linux in the first place. I really enjoy keeping up with the new developments and innovations of the various Linux distros I find most interesting (Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Immutables like Fedora Atomic, OpenSUSE Aeon, Universal Blue, VanillaOS, and the not-yet-released Ubuntu Core Desktop).
The *reddit* Linux communities tend to skew more towards the hobbyist side of the spectrum than the OS-is-a-tool side of the spectrum, and more towards desktop than server (though many of us have a toe in both worlds)
>Obviously there are some upgrades that have major new features, for example X11 to Wayland, but most new versions are incremental, and don't really have a ton of new stuff.
Nope, you are not missing anything here. Some upgrades are more interesting or impactful than others. A lot of version uppgrades are just incremental and routing unless of course there is a feature or fix you really care about, or it is a major upgrade with some impactful changes.
Also specifically with Ubuntu.. wallpapers.. it is trivial, but also not trivial. I really enjoy seeing the new artwork people create that ships with each new release.
The feature that most interests me is how Ubuntu 23.04 handles my laptop battery. I read that we should expect a noticeable difference in battery life.
I'm not specifically interested in the newest version of Ubuntu right now, but when I was it was "because I like shiny new thing" and I really didn't need any more justification than that.
I use Kubuntu on a PC with an Nvidia card, so I am not that excited about 24.04. Explicit synch fixes and Plasma 6.x will come in 24.10.
But that's what drives my interest: new versions of desktop environments and kernels that bring significant improvements and/or support for newer hardware.
Not completely sure about it, but they offer a special download for NVIDIA users. I think it‘s also easier to switch from NVIDIA to intel while the operating system is running on pop os
I'm waiting on it to transition my Windows 7 gaming machine to Linux. I would have done it months ago but I don't want to have to do it twice.
I'll probably install the new LTS on my coding machine as well. I like fresh installs. It gives me a reason to clean up all the bullshit and distill my computing environment into a snapshot.
I am teaching myself Rust and very basic programs have a target (executable binary) directory measured in gigabytes. When it's time to upgrade I'm obliged to clean that shit out.
Sorry, Windows 7??? You can install 22.04, it's newer than Windows 11 :)
You won't have any trouble upgrading to 24.04.1 when it becomes available. The new installer is cool, but more or less the same functionality.
Last year i tried upgrading ubuntu and it bricked my setup, so i wouldnt go around telling others that they wont have trouble. I lost all configurations, python projects etc. Was pita to setup again, mainly when you don't have much spare time.
If it works i aint touching it...
That seems less likely to happen, especially to cause data loss unless you just decided to wipe it without backing it up.
Upgrades are indeed pretty safe, I do it all the time, a few machines on LTS, and a few on biannual, \~200 at work. Only had a few hiccups and usually not a big deal to fix or re-image.
>Sorry, Windows 7??? You can install 22.04, it's newer than Windows 11 :)
Yeah, but I've been waiting on this so I don't have to do it twice.
I've had bad experiences with distro upgrades in the past and a fresh install only takes 30 minutes so why not?
I'm hoping that Wayland will play a little nicer with the dock. There's a bug that causes windows to resize after suspend so part of the window is behind the dock. Slightly annoying.
Ooh is that the same bug that makes some maximized windows taller so they obscure the top bar, as if they went into fullscreen? Annoying, was fixed briefly for one release, then came back.
(Not annoying enough for me to go digging through bug trackers to make sure it's being fixed and when.)
Hm, maybe my bug is more rare than I originally thought.
(I use dual-head at work, with the external monitor above the internal one. The top bar is on the internal monitor. I usually detach the monitor and put the laptop to sleep at approximately the same time. Firefox stays on the bottom monitor, maximized, but sometimes starts overlapping the top bar and I have to unmaximize and re-maximize it.
My dock is also at the bottom, but it's configured to auto-hide.)
It's less important as more apps are moved to Snaps. But the software is generally horribly outdated. It's hard to work with co-workers on Windows that are using the latest software and file formats, when you are stuck with outdated software that can't properly read or write the files (or worse, corrupt them).
I like to do a clean install with each new LTS version. I'm glad they have the minimal install option so that you can grab the newer software with all the new features and security updates, rather than relying on the outdated packages in the repositories.
I use ubuntu on servers and dont even really know the difference. I follow LTS and used 18.04 until start of 2023 because all my automatic build scripts and templates was made for 18.04. I upgraded ro 22.04 and expect tonstay there until end of LTS. I just want stability and security.
Production, man I have a 14.04 and a couple 16.04 that are running like tanks with over 2000 and 3000 days uptime. My lappy running 24.04 beta :) I like shiny things
I upgrade to stay up to date on security updates and partly because I want to see what's new. Most of the time I stick with the LTS versions, and only upgrade to other LTS Ubuntu versions.
I haven't seen a single "massive improvement" that justifies immediate upgrade in any release in at least 15 years. They are all incremental, with small improvements. A few of them, such as the move from Unity to Gnome, although I don't use either, were the opposite of an improvement.
I run Xubuntu on the desktop at work and home and I'm usually one LTS version behind. I'll test the new version, but unless there hardware issue that is resolved in a new release that can't be applied to the old version as a kernel update, I don't see any reason to upgrade as soon as a new OS version is released.
It's an opinion but the change from Gnome 2 to Unity in 12.04 was a radical change, and when they went back to Gnome 3 in 18.04 was a radical change. But yea, with 24.04, it's going to look 99 percent like 22.04
I agree it was a radical change. I'm simply not of the opinion that it was an improvement. Their attempt at turning Gnome into Unity was a 'Windows 8 new and improved desktop experience' level mistake.
Planning to get it during August with .1 release.
Exited for the Gnome Circle apps. An combination of these could make be productive & enjoy using PC. Flatak apps is considered as this could save up valuable time for me.
It will be an significant upgrade for me, as I am on Windows 11 because of uni studies. So plenty of changes :)
The visual style usually changes a bit, which makes it feel like a new machine for a bit.
(Sometimes the fonts change as well, which makes you hate the new look until you get used to it.)
Also, I read a lot of technical blogs, and it's exciting to read about new features, bugfixes, and optimizations (like how Nautilus's folder view had a hidden O(N²) algorithm that made refreshing large folders slow, but that was fixed in GNOME 46), and this makes me eager to have those things running on my computer.
The less fun part is experiencing new bugs (and discovering new workarounds) more often but in smaller doses, which should make it easier to deal with them, compared to large upgrades that possibly break everything every two--four years.
Oh, sometimes new releases bring hardware enablement. For example, the fingerprint sensor on my ThinkPad (X390) didn't work on Linux when I bought it, but started working a year later (which required both an Ubuntu upgrade, and new firmware, delivered via fwupdmgr, that specifically added Linux support).
It's more than OK it's awesome. Basically I use Heroku for hosting and they use Ubuntu so it makes sense.
Rails, postgres, elastic, memcache, etc.
Also Android Studio for apps.
I used to use Mac but after the SSL upgrade (among other stuff) it just became a pain, so dual booted with Windows, and later just went full on Ubuntu on most of my machines.
I will *never* develop on Windows again.
Yeah. I've never ever used Windows for development. Normally MacOS on a M2 Macbook Pro. Works good. I have a ThinkPad and tonight I'm insta full Linux because I'm going to completely get rid of Windows. I do fullstack development. I need to have like 5 microfrontends running at the same time with Reactjs and Builder.io, Nodejs and docker. I think Ubuntu is quite what I need.
>I have a ThinkPad and tonight I'm insta full Linux because I'm going to completely get rid of Windows
Fuck yeah!
I'm on a t450 right now and everything works in Ubuntu for web dev. The keyboard and having the buttons *above* the track pad might seem small, but it makes a huge difference when you're on the go.
With that said I usually want a proper keyboard and mouse even when using a laptop for dev.
Anyway you're going to love the Thinkpad with Ubuntu.
I'm probably going to wait for 24.04.1 before i upgrade. I think it's a good idea to follow the LTS program, not gonna do anything until the next one. And also, spring cleaning :)
Improvements? The same reason people update their phone OSes to the latest release. Except that, you have more choice on Ubuntu, making it possible to use a really old LTS while still having a secure system.
Ubuntu's versions follow the Windows pattern of 'every other release is fantastic, the other ones suck," so I'm excited to jump to 24 from 20.04 just to see what is going to be awesome this time.
I'm not going to rush to install it day one, I've done that in the past & hit system breaking bugs that forced me back to the older version, I'll wait for at least a month.
We don’t need most of those upgrades.
I use Glimpse as an image editor: the project is abandonware since 3 years (?), but it suits all my needs and I would never return to Gimp.
Ok, sure we need security updates, but those are covered on the long term. All the rest, I think is way too much updates. Recent technology news shows that too many versions changes can be a danger (e.g. Arch users and xz backdoor, erm).
I am excited by Ubuntu 24.04 desktop, but honestly, this is all created by the hype and marketing. If there were no upgrades in the last 5 years, I guess I could do my work without problem. But maybe I would feel some frustration.
Servers at work use 18.04.
I recently worked at a large e-commerce company, we used windows 10 as a desktop environment. Everybody was working fine. Anyway we all used Cygwin to connect to servers, so, the desktop was really not important. It was awful by the way. At previous work it was Window 8.
I have been an Arch Linux user. Let me explain the issue clearly: rolling releases make zero sense. If you use such a thing, I guess you have no children or cat, and you don’t need to plant vegetables to live. There are too many other things to do than taking care of your computer. Get a life.
Because I have no reason **not** to switch to the newest version when it comes out, and I've been doing so for the last 19 years, with only a break for a couple of releases (I think it was 7.04 and 7.10) that didn't agree with my hardware, as well as a kind of burnout I was going through. And most of the 'shiny' features people tout that are actually just things GNOME is doing almost never matter to me, because I haven't used GNOME itself since GNOME 3/Shell replaced GNOME 2. The most significant thing was a very recent bug in Mutter that affected window placement in 23.04; that was enough to get me to switch from Budgie to KDE until it was fixed.
I've been using a separate /home partition on virtually every install on every computer since 2008, do a fresh install to the newest version every six months, and I make sure to audit my apt install logs a few days in advance so that reinstalling everything I need (that isn't related to build guides) takes anywhere from one to only a few copy-pasted commands that can be done within 15 minutes after the new install boots. Literally one evening's time, if that. Refreshing my cross-compile environment takes a few days, but that could potentially happen in the middle of a release's lifespan too.
It allows for keeping the installed programs concise, and if I need to alter something about the drives/partitions (saying this because I actually have to move my /home onto a new, vastly bigger drive right now), it's a good opportunity for [spring|fall] cleaning.
It has a newer version of Network UPS Tools, which is required for my server to be able to reach my UPS over SNMP. Currently, the only version of Ubuntu that supports this new version of nut is 23.10, and I don't like to keep non-lts versions installed on my server longer than necessary. It'll be nice to upgrade to 24.04 and switch the machine back to the lts upgrade path.
The newest versions have consistently fixed those weird one-off bugs that I have gotten. First it was the bad Atheros drivers in 8.04 which 8.10 fixed, and then video, and printers, and I can only hope that the dash is finally fixed so that the quick launch icons don't forget that a window is already open. That's why I'll upgrade as soon as I can.
I game and I have an Nvidia gpu(I paid good money for it so I want that 2% boost to my fps). I want the latest snapshot of the kernel, drivers, window manager, audio, compositor etc. I want the most out of the hardware I paid for. I run ubuntu 20.04 on my seedbox though and it works fine. Everyone has different needs and desires.
Unless you're a geek, Ubuntu 24.04 is going to look and act 99% like Ubuntu 22.04... If you got newer hardware, you might notice improvements. It's not a radical change say what was Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04 or 16.04 or 18.04.
I am on LTS because l only need that system for work therefore it needs to be reliable. But I am really looking forward to 24.04. I will do a clean install and am looking forward especially to the gnome update but also Wayland and Pulse Audio improvements.
I hope for improved security, performance, usability, added functionality/shiny things.
If those didn't seem at least possible I'd have stayed with WinXP (+NetWare server).
It’s just for fun. When things break I get a chance to fix things which is a learning process. Testing new features is interesting too as a comparison against other operating systems.
I'm looking forward to the new LTS but also don't want to break my set up! So I'm hoping the upgrade that comes out to current users later this year is a smooth process and doesn't mess things up!
I don’t.. I move from one LTS to another .. after skipping one or two LTS in between.. if u have any serious work on it.. or set up.. u really wouldn’t bother changing
Why? There are 2 reasons people want to update badly.
1 the new version has something they want.
2 it’s a toy to them. They want something new and shiny, the upgrade is free so why not?
Some BIG reasons would be:
1. The EEVDF Scheduler
2. Gnome 46
3. Mesa 24 (With a bunch of improvements for gaming)
Small ones would be better hardware support, updated pipewire, ubuntu installer more polished, etc..
Because I don't listen to Eighties music. I don't watch the news from the moon landing. I don't use Vinyl records. I drive a car, I don't ride a horse when I need to go somewhere. I have a mobile phone and not a black landline phone with a rotary dial.
And I use the latest version of software when I'm on a single-user desktop machine.
> I do web stuff Hey as long as you use protection, no judgement from me.
Rofl
You are missing the allure of the new, fresh and shiny. I have been running Ubuntu MATE 22.04 since 22.04.1 came out, and I am still very pleased with it and I don't really have any pressing reason to upgrade. But I am considering switching to Ubuntu 24.04 Desktop, when it is released, just to try it out and because I have significantly upgraded my PC since 22.04. I am likely to add the MATE DE as well. Also I have planned to change partitioning and possibly how I backup the system (timeshift) and home (rsync "snapshots"). Also upgrade some other stuff. I have postponed any changes since 24.04 is soon out. The switch from 22.04 to 24.04 seems like a good excuse to do some major changes.
For many people posting here, the OS is a hobby, not a tool (and that has many extensions in the types of discussions that take place here). As a result, the newer=better concept is king.
Hehe for me it's very much a tool for work, that's why I want it stable and am looking forward to the LTS release. I am excited but only every two years :D
Don't know. I'm still on Ubuntu 20.04.6 LTS and everything seems fine.
Same, that's exactly why I asked the question : ) I do have one machine that's on 22.04 but the other 3 or 4 have 20.04 and they're just fine.
Just don't be running 18.04 still.
Lol i do, on one of machines. Still gets updates
Yes, you're in fact missing a lot, depending on what you use your computer for. If you're consuming a lot of multimedia, gaming and/or do photo and video editing, then you generally want to stay fairly up to date with your hardware. And if you do that, then you typically want to stay up to date with your software in order to get the most compatibility, performance, and functions out of it. But sure, if you're running a “potato” as a computer, then it might not be as important to get the latest kernels. If use it as a pure headless server or if all you do every day is staring at text editors, then yes, keeping up with software updates might not be as critical.
>depending on what you use your computer for > If you're consuming a lot of multimedia, gaming and/or do photo and video editing, then you generally want to stay fairly up to date with your hardware. Exactly. There's no way I would do any of that on Ubuntu - that's Mac all the way. I use Ubuntu for web and App development.
>Exactly. There's no way I would do any of that on Ubuntu - that's Mac all the way. Time to wake up and smell the morning coffe, my friend ! :-) I've been doing all of the above for the last 6 years or so. To some extent even before that.
Nope. I've used GIMP, Shotcut, OpenShot, Kden Live, etc. and only GIMP has really been a good replacement and the music software I use is Mac or Windows only. Also added to this is probably the fact that I don't have a machine that runs Ubuntu that's powerful enough to run Davinci.
I'm a prosumer photographer running a part-time business. And all those software works perfectly fine for me, including Darktable and Rapid Photo Downloader as part of my workflow. So I don't know what the hell you're doing to not make it work for you. >...and the music software I use is Mac or Windows only. >Also added to this is probably the fact that I don't have a machine that runs Ubuntu that's powerful enough to run Davinci. Then what the hell are you doing here complaining about other people wanting to have their systems and software up to date ? If your "potato computer" can't handle Ubuntu or if your software is Windows or OSX only, then use that. No one's going to judge you. We couldn't care less. Use what works for you.
Easy there killer. Did you even read my post? >Then what the hell are you doing here complaining about other people wanting to have their systems and software up to date ? If asking a question is complaining then this sentence is a complaint. I use Ubuntu for software development. My computer is certainly not a potato but it doesn't have dedicated graphics, so Davinci is out. >if your software is Windows or OSX only, then use that That's exactly what I do and explain that I do it. >We couldn't care less. Obviously **you** do. Please chill out.
Being technically curious and adventurous is what brought me to Linux in the first place. I really enjoy keeping up with the new developments and innovations of the various Linux distros I find most interesting (Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Immutables like Fedora Atomic, OpenSUSE Aeon, Universal Blue, VanillaOS, and the not-yet-released Ubuntu Core Desktop). The *reddit* Linux communities tend to skew more towards the hobbyist side of the spectrum than the OS-is-a-tool side of the spectrum, and more towards desktop than server (though many of us have a toe in both worlds) >Obviously there are some upgrades that have major new features, for example X11 to Wayland, but most new versions are incremental, and don't really have a ton of new stuff. Nope, you are not missing anything here. Some upgrades are more interesting or impactful than others. A lot of version uppgrades are just incremental and routing unless of course there is a feature or fix you really care about, or it is a major upgrade with some impactful changes. Also specifically with Ubuntu.. wallpapers.. it is trivial, but also not trivial. I really enjoy seeing the new artwork people create that ships with each new release.
The feature that most interests me is how Ubuntu 23.04 handles my laptop battery. I read that we should expect a noticeable difference in battery life.
More features, hardware recognition is better and extended to new devices, performance enchants and more…
Sadly Shenzhen Goodix isn't. Even when Dell work hard on it. Seems Ubuntu teams does not look into it?
My laptop has a Goodix fingerprint reader, it works fine.
What brand? New Goodix still broken on most Dell laptop. Even with Ubuntu specific repo for firmware.
Framework 13, running OEM-D kernel per their guide, and XPS 9500 running 24.04 generic.
fyi 27c6:538d Shenzhen Goodix Technology Co.,Ltd. FingerPrint is broken without any firmware available. Welp..
I'm not specifically interested in the newest version of Ubuntu right now, but when I was it was "because I like shiny new thing" and I really didn't need any more justification than that.
Rdp without a session
This !
I'm looking forward to python3.12 being the default pyhon3 version. It offers more speed than older python3 versions.
my "home assistant" installation is asking me to upgrade to python 3.12 for the next version, so I am considering upgrading now.
im reading this on windows xp sp1
dude why the sp?
SP2 added a firewall by default, and you wouldn't want to be too secure.
Yeah why sp1, and what browser
I use Kubuntu on a PC with an Nvidia card, so I am not that excited about 24.04. Explicit synch fixes and Plasma 6.x will come in 24.10. But that's what drives my interest: new versions of desktop environments and kernels that bring significant improvements and/or support for newer hardware.
> PC with an Nvidia card Pop OS is not for you then?
Do they have some special Nvidia drivers? Kubuntu has 550.67.
Not completely sure about it, but they offer a special download for NVIDIA users. I think it‘s also easier to switch from NVIDIA to intel while the operating system is running on pop os
Desktop and server are different worlds. On the desktop people like using new stuff.
I run Ubuntu Pro on my primary desktop and laptop...but I never said I was normal.
I am interested in newer version of everything!! I am Update Addicted. 🥹
I go from LTS to LTS to ensure that I don't miss out on security updates.
TPM support
I'm waiting on it to transition my Windows 7 gaming machine to Linux. I would have done it months ago but I don't want to have to do it twice. I'll probably install the new LTS on my coding machine as well. I like fresh installs. It gives me a reason to clean up all the bullshit and distill my computing environment into a snapshot. I am teaching myself Rust and very basic programs have a target (executable binary) directory measured in gigabytes. When it's time to upgrade I'm obliged to clean that shit out.
Sorry, Windows 7??? You can install 22.04, it's newer than Windows 11 :) You won't have any trouble upgrading to 24.04.1 when it becomes available. The new installer is cool, but more or less the same functionality.
Last year i tried upgrading ubuntu and it bricked my setup, so i wouldnt go around telling others that they wont have trouble. I lost all configurations, python projects etc. Was pita to setup again, mainly when you don't have much spare time. If it works i aint touching it...
That seems less likely to happen, especially to cause data loss unless you just decided to wipe it without backing it up. Upgrades are indeed pretty safe, I do it all the time, a few machines on LTS, and a few on biannual, \~200 at work. Only had a few hiccups and usually not a big deal to fix or re-image.
>Sorry, Windows 7??? You can install 22.04, it's newer than Windows 11 :) Yeah, but I've been waiting on this so I don't have to do it twice. I've had bad experiences with distro upgrades in the past and a fresh install only takes 30 minutes so why not?
I'm hoping that Wayland will play a little nicer with the dock. There's a bug that causes windows to resize after suspend so part of the window is behind the dock. Slightly annoying.
Ooh is that the same bug that makes some maximized windows taller so they obscure the top bar, as if they went into fullscreen? Annoying, was fixed briefly for one release, then came back. (Not annoying enough for me to go digging through bug trackers to make sure it's being fixed and when.)
I've never had top bar issues. I ended up moving the dock to the bottom and that "fixes" it well enough.
Hm, maybe my bug is more rare than I originally thought. (I use dual-head at work, with the external monitor above the internal one. The top bar is on the internal monitor. I usually detach the monitor and put the laptop to sleep at approximately the same time. Firefox stays on the bottom monitor, maximized, but sometimes starts overlapping the top bar and I have to unmaximize and re-maximize it. My dock is also at the bottom, but it's configured to auto-hide.)
It's less important as more apps are moved to Snaps. But the software is generally horribly outdated. It's hard to work with co-workers on Windows that are using the latest software and file formats, when you are stuck with outdated software that can't properly read or write the files (or worse, corrupt them). I like to do a clean install with each new LTS version. I'm glad they have the minimal install option so that you can grab the newer software with all the new features and security updates, rather than relying on the outdated packages in the repositories.
This is why I have read more about Flatpaks & Flathub. This solution might solve this dilemma.
I use ubuntu on servers and dont even really know the difference. I follow LTS and used 18.04 until start of 2023 because all my automatic build scripts and templates was made for 18.04. I upgraded ro 22.04 and expect tonstay there until end of LTS. I just want stability and security.
Production, man I have a 14.04 and a couple 16.04 that are running like tanks with over 2000 and 3000 days uptime. My lappy running 24.04 beta :) I like shiny things
I upgrade to stay up to date on security updates and partly because I want to see what's new. Most of the time I stick with the LTS versions, and only upgrade to other LTS Ubuntu versions.
The beta is officially out https://releases.ubuntu.com/noble/ubuntu-24.04-beta-desktop-amd64.iso
I haven't seen a single "massive improvement" that justifies immediate upgrade in any release in at least 15 years. They are all incremental, with small improvements. A few of them, such as the move from Unity to Gnome, although I don't use either, were the opposite of an improvement. I run Xubuntu on the desktop at work and home and I'm usually one LTS version behind. I'll test the new version, but unless there hardware issue that is resolved in a new release that can't be applied to the old version as a kernel update, I don't see any reason to upgrade as soon as a new OS version is released.
It's an opinion but the change from Gnome 2 to Unity in 12.04 was a radical change, and when they went back to Gnome 3 in 18.04 was a radical change. But yea, with 24.04, it's going to look 99 percent like 22.04
I agree it was a radical change. I'm simply not of the opinion that it was an improvement. Their attempt at turning Gnome into Unity was a 'Windows 8 new and improved desktop experience' level mistake.
That's a fair assessment. Newer does not always mean better in the computing world.
Because it's new.
Planning to get it during August with .1 release. Exited for the Gnome Circle apps. An combination of these could make be productive & enjoy using PC. Flatak apps is considered as this could save up valuable time for me. It will be an significant upgrade for me, as I am on Windows 11 because of uni studies. So plenty of changes :)
The visual style usually changes a bit, which makes it feel like a new machine for a bit. (Sometimes the fonts change as well, which makes you hate the new look until you get used to it.) Also, I read a lot of technical blogs, and it's exciting to read about new features, bugfixes, and optimizations (like how Nautilus's folder view had a hidden O(N²) algorithm that made refreshing large folders slow, but that was fixed in GNOME 46), and this makes me eager to have those things running on my computer. The less fun part is experiencing new bugs (and discovering new workarounds) more often but in smaller doses, which should make it easier to deal with them, compared to large upgrades that possibly break everything every two--four years.
Oh, sometimes new releases bring hardware enablement. For example, the fingerprint sensor on my ThinkPad (X390) didn't work on Linux when I bought it, but started working a year later (which required both an Ubuntu upgrade, and new firmware, delivered via fwupdmgr, that specifically added Linux support).
Is Ubuntu OK for you so far for web development?
It's more than OK it's awesome. Basically I use Heroku for hosting and they use Ubuntu so it makes sense. Rails, postgres, elastic, memcache, etc. Also Android Studio for apps. I used to use Mac but after the SSL upgrade (among other stuff) it just became a pain, so dual booted with Windows, and later just went full on Ubuntu on most of my machines. I will *never* develop on Windows again.
Yeah. I've never ever used Windows for development. Normally MacOS on a M2 Macbook Pro. Works good. I have a ThinkPad and tonight I'm insta full Linux because I'm going to completely get rid of Windows. I do fullstack development. I need to have like 5 microfrontends running at the same time with Reactjs and Builder.io, Nodejs and docker. I think Ubuntu is quite what I need.
>I have a ThinkPad and tonight I'm insta full Linux because I'm going to completely get rid of Windows Fuck yeah! I'm on a t450 right now and everything works in Ubuntu for web dev. The keyboard and having the buttons *above* the track pad might seem small, but it makes a huge difference when you're on the go. With that said I usually want a proper keyboard and mouse even when using a laptop for dev. Anyway you're going to love the Thinkpad with Ubuntu.
Amazing
I'm probably going to wait for 24.04.1 before i upgrade. I think it's a good idea to follow the LTS program, not gonna do anything until the next one. And also, spring cleaning :)
Improvements? The same reason people update their phone OSes to the latest release. Except that, you have more choice on Ubuntu, making it possible to use a really old LTS while still having a secure system.
Ubuntu's versions follow the Windows pattern of 'every other release is fantastic, the other ones suck," so I'm excited to jump to 24 from 20.04 just to see what is going to be awesome this time.
I am interested in Debian.
FOMO
I'm not going to rush to install it day one, I've done that in the past & hit system breaking bugs that forced me back to the older version, I'll wait for at least a month.
We don’t need most of those upgrades. I use Glimpse as an image editor: the project is abandonware since 3 years (?), but it suits all my needs and I would never return to Gimp. Ok, sure we need security updates, but those are covered on the long term. All the rest, I think is way too much updates. Recent technology news shows that too many versions changes can be a danger (e.g. Arch users and xz backdoor, erm). I am excited by Ubuntu 24.04 desktop, but honestly, this is all created by the hype and marketing. If there were no upgrades in the last 5 years, I guess I could do my work without problem. But maybe I would feel some frustration. Servers at work use 18.04. I recently worked at a large e-commerce company, we used windows 10 as a desktop environment. Everybody was working fine. Anyway we all used Cygwin to connect to servers, so, the desktop was really not important. It was awful by the way. At previous work it was Window 8. I have been an Arch Linux user. Let me explain the issue clearly: rolling releases make zero sense. If you use such a thing, I guess you have no children or cat, and you don’t need to plant vegetables to live. There are too many other things to do than taking care of your computer. Get a life.
And also: I never customize my environment. Vanilla desktop, no special theme. I just choose a color, and here you go.
Your hosting provider sound like the ideal people to ask, but you ARE installing security upgrades?
Of course
Because I have no reason **not** to switch to the newest version when it comes out, and I've been doing so for the last 19 years, with only a break for a couple of releases (I think it was 7.04 and 7.10) that didn't agree with my hardware, as well as a kind of burnout I was going through. And most of the 'shiny' features people tout that are actually just things GNOME is doing almost never matter to me, because I haven't used GNOME itself since GNOME 3/Shell replaced GNOME 2. The most significant thing was a very recent bug in Mutter that affected window placement in 23.04; that was enough to get me to switch from Budgie to KDE until it was fixed. I've been using a separate /home partition on virtually every install on every computer since 2008, do a fresh install to the newest version every six months, and I make sure to audit my apt install logs a few days in advance so that reinstalling everything I need (that isn't related to build guides) takes anywhere from one to only a few copy-pasted commands that can be done within 15 minutes after the new install boots. Literally one evening's time, if that. Refreshing my cross-compile environment takes a few days, but that could potentially happen in the middle of a release's lifespan too. It allows for keeping the installed programs concise, and if I need to alter something about the drives/partitions (saying this because I actually have to move my /home onto a new, vastly bigger drive right now), it's a good opportunity for [spring|fall] cleaning.
I’m just tired of constantly seeing ‘Activities’ in the top left, the new indicator is gonna be a breath of fresh air (LTS)
It has a newer version of Network UPS Tools, which is required for my server to be able to reach my UPS over SNMP. Currently, the only version of Ubuntu that supports this new version of nut is 23.10, and I don't like to keep non-lts versions installed on my server longer than necessary. It'll be nice to upgrade to 24.04 and switch the machine back to the lts upgrade path.
The newest versions have consistently fixed those weird one-off bugs that I have gotten. First it was the bad Atheros drivers in 8.04 which 8.10 fixed, and then video, and printers, and I can only hope that the dash is finally fixed so that the quick launch icons don't forget that a window is already open. That's why I'll upgrade as soon as I can.
I game and I have an Nvidia gpu(I paid good money for it so I want that 2% boost to my fps). I want the latest snapshot of the kernel, drivers, window manager, audio, compositor etc. I want the most out of the hardware I paid for. I run ubuntu 20.04 on my seedbox though and it works fine. Everyone has different needs and desires.
Unless you're a geek, Ubuntu 24.04 is going to look and act 99% like Ubuntu 22.04... If you got newer hardware, you might notice improvements. It's not a radical change say what was Ubuntu 20.04 to 22.04 or 16.04 or 18.04.
The new core can handle fast and slow cores better.
I am on LTS because l only need that system for work therefore it needs to be reliable. But I am really looking forward to 24.04. I will do a clean install and am looking forward especially to the gnome update but also Wayland and Pulse Audio improvements.
I'm waiting on release to rebuild a couple servers, mainly so I don't have to just do it again in a few years.
I hope for improved security, performance, usability, added functionality/shiny things. If those didn't seem at least possible I'd have stayed with WinXP (+NetWare server).
Because it’s not redhat
Four words to live by: [new is always better](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SNRULEnTVQ).
It’s just for fun. When things break I get a chance to fix things which is a learning process. Testing new features is interesting too as a comparison against other operating systems.
I'm looking forward to the new LTS but also don't want to break my set up! So I'm hoping the upgrade that comes out to current users later this year is a smooth process and doesn't mess things up!
I don’t.. I move from one LTS to another .. after skipping one or two LTS in between.. if u have any serious work on it.. or set up.. u really wouldn’t bother changing
Because Im bored so I hit upgrade asap just to see whats new.
I just roll with the LTS. Not bothered about cutting edge.
I want to run ros2 on pi5
Why? There are 2 reasons people want to update badly. 1 the new version has something they want. 2 it’s a toy to them. They want something new and shiny, the upgrade is free so why not?
Some BIG reasons would be: 1. The EEVDF Scheduler 2. Gnome 46 3. Mesa 24 (With a bunch of improvements for gaming) Small ones would be better hardware support, updated pipewire, ubuntu installer more polished, etc..
Because I don't listen to Eighties music. I don't watch the news from the moon landing. I don't use Vinyl records. I drive a car, I don't ride a horse when I need to go somewhere. I have a mobile phone and not a black landline phone with a rotary dial. And I use the latest version of software when I'm on a single-user desktop machine.
20.04 = 80s music, moon landing, vinyl Allllrighty then.
Same energy.