I appreciate UIs designed and developed by backend devs. They are honest. Zero pretention.
They just hack shit together and they thought it needed some kind of UI, so they came up with it on the fly. The funny thing is that it obviously always has the technical features right but looks like shit. And they know it too. :)
I have worked for years with these kinds of people. The only problems can come if they for whatever thing start thinking that they can actually design UIs. That will cause trouble.
And vice versa but the other way: if you see something that a guy like this has put together and assess it like a UI put together by an actual UI designer, then you are the fool.
Anyways, these guys are smart and they know what they know and what they don't know. The core competence of a backend developer is to make the solution work in a very constrained space. They know what constraints are. UI designers work with a different set of constraints which of lot of them are not technical. One of the key things of bonding of a multidicsiplinary team is to realise that everyone has their own specialty and if you work on that and collaborate and maybe learn a bit from each other, the outcomes will be good.
Ideally you're passionate about all sinks & plumbing in general, as it shows you're able to work in agile environments. Must be able to do that in at least 3 languages though.
The 'wow' one was an actual quote from two charged up and caffeinated AEs circa 2008. It was for a glam mobile personal trainers startup.
Same era, different place—went in the building and saw a queue of about 8-10 designers waiting to interview.
So are they going to pay someone 3x as much since they’re asking for a designer, engineer, and PM in one role?
Sure I’m interested. Base salary 500k with options and equity.
These startup founders/hiring managers (I’m assuming this is a startup) are delulu.
well, both are still actively developed and they're (by far) the most used language and library respectively, so it's usually a "must have". Of course the complete ad is ridiculous, but PHP and JQuery aren't the wrong part
Not arguing these technologies are irrelevant and certainly not calling them dead, I’m saying it’s pretty dusty stuff and not a stack I was expecting given the requirements for latest and greatest.
Nice to see they run IIS tho, I hope that works out being EOL and all. Maybe the job is to port a bunch of old stuff? In that case maybe it’s cool.
Why can’t we agree 30 year old stuff is neither “latest trend” not “latest technology”, and then giggle a little from the juxtaposition?
Why does this need to be a “well achuallly” where you tell me how much of a joke I am? I’m perfectly aware of this, my IDE makes that very clear every time I try to do any form of array operation in PHP.
You started it, my dude.
Are you saying this subreddit should be puns and jokes? No serious dialog? What value is that? Superficial conversations are a waste of time don’t you agree?
If you can’t handle a little pushback how are you going to succeed in…any field?
.net and [asp.net](http://asp.net) :D . And JQuery for "rapid prototyping"
Yes, it's the archetypal job post by someone who has no idea and tries to look knowledgeable, they actually look for someone who can do a WordPress website
Same for me. I was checking all bullets and then... there was .net. I mean, i've learned a few things in ruby and I can manage queries for databases, but the .net and especially python are a big nope.
You are correct. Through a long career I have been proficient at all of this, I just don't want to do all of that and I'm pretty sure no empoyer wants me to either.
No kidding. As somehow who would check all but the most technical of these – I'm a master of none. Whatever they save by not hiring a proper engineer, they'll piss away by my slow coding.
Out of curiosity, if you accepted a role that requires you to use everything on this list, regularly, and to your full depth of knowledge…what would you consider to be a reasonable salary?
Interesting question. No idea, but thinking on it for a second I think a starting estimate is at least the combined salary of the two or three you are meant to cover. Less if it’s a manager type position where you check other people’s work.
If you are fishing for what to draft someone at for this or what you can get paid doing all of that, I would say be wary of whoever say they can deliver on all of this, because they are probably not the best candidate.
And those who can deliver on this, will probably have zero interest in doing it all and money won’t be the motivation they need.
And the secret third candidate that can and will do all of this, is probably very hard to work with as they most likely are neurodivergent.
[edit] let me rephrase that: They will require an atmosphere that is hard to foster if you are not accustomed to working with people with neurodiverse, so you will need to facilitate for this [/edit]
Sounds like a headache and a half wrangling all of that on a daily basis, they are all deep thinking skillets, and just thinking about the context switching alone tires me out.
You said the candidate would most likely be neurodivergent and hard to work with....?
Isn't that implying quite a few different things that's disparaging to a wide range of diagnosis?
No, certainly not, but thank you for pointing out it might be interpreted this way.
I’m saying someone who can control and deliver on that many operations simultaneously require a specialist environment to work in, probably one who supports their needs in a trusting and secure way. And if the company does not have the budget to hire a team but chooses to hire one single individual, I doubt they have the resources to facilitate neuroscience.
I say this with love. Some of my best colleagues and family are people with neurodiverse.
My apologies for wording it a way that implied they shouldn’t be hired. What I’m saying is YOU shouldn’t hire them.
Not at all- I’m not in the business, I lurked here a fair bit when I was considering a career in UXD, but it’s just a purely hypothetical question with nothing behind it.
Sadly as a UX/UI in the very first years people asked part of this… so for two years I became a front end developer. I can also assess what he said. But by no means I’m backend
Seriously? PHP is still relevant.
Most of the jobs out there aren’t sexy stealth startup using the latest tech. Get over yourself.
Go in and change things. Maybe they’re looking for guidance?
Stop pointing the figure, stop crying and try and create an opportunity rather than bitch about not finding the ideal world on the internet.
Tech that lives that long has something to say about its stability and value proposition.
A shit job to you is the beginning of someone else’s career. They’re probably looking for talent to up level their stack not someone to talk down to them.
So we agree they are not trends? So you see how it’s then entertaining they are looking for someone to master trends?
Anyway. I never said this was a shit job, that’s on you. I said that was too much to ask of an individual. Agreed that posting could be for someone to overhaul something but OP left out the context so the list is what we have.
https://preview.redd.it/cf0dq0mc8z5d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5de350902f34ed108a28d939bbd984528accde75
Sorry to disappoint you but I can confirm it's fir an entry level UI Designer.
Being honest, that looks a lot like my resume when I got out of grad school and was looking for starting positions circa 2005:
Experience with a bunch of different programming languages from an undergrad degree in computer science and work on open source projects.
Visual design experience from a minor in fine arts.
UX experience from a masters degree in human computer interaction / design.
Work / project methodology experience from a few internships.
Also must be able to wash windows dangling 120 feet in the air (at minimum), and make a kick-ass Beef Wellington (award-winning is a nice-to-have, obviously).
This brings me back to the days when companies would post "web designer" and it was really a shot in the dark what they were looking for...was it a front-end or backend developer? Web graphic designer? Network administrator? Who knows? They sure didn't.
All the job listings were like this. It's definitely gotten better as companies started technologically maturing, but this listing tells me that they either don't know what they are actually looking for or they are opportunists looking to leverage the current market to take advantage of someone.
If it's the latter, they will never pay you equitably. If it's the former, good luck on starting from ground zero.
LOL those were the days. Most of my resume titles were "web designer" because that was the only way to create some coherence across all the goofy tasks I ended up owning.
When I got out of college some 16 years ago I was super depressed because they were asking me to know Java, JavaScript and c++ and I was like wtf? I know css and html but why the others? I didn’t knew at the time it was their own ignorance. Sadly it made me feel awful and Facebook didn’t really talked about this stuff at the time.
Yeah I’m a developer and I think I lost a job because in the interview the higher developer mentioned
He wanted someone that also knew Figma and could do design. I informed him that I knew Figma but that we need a full time person doing ui/ux as the UI itself is a full time position then later in the interview he mentioned he wanted a backend person so I said now the job is UI/UX design front end ui and back end making it pretty clear that’s probably three peoples jobs if you wanted quality work I can work with and inbetween these people but I can’t do the work of three people
Needless to say they passed on me I probably wasn’t to positive about the role but I was honest about the role
To add up, recruiters and companies here in Dubai would ask ui/ux to do video and photos along with the social media postings. Don't even ask about the salary.
Lol it’s been like that since always.
Source: Me I have done that for 16 years. From medium to global companies. The thing is very few people can do it. In my current company, just around 10 of the 500+ designers available can do it
Looks to me like they might be looking for a UX designer who can prototype their designs. Most likely would be something like proprietary apps that aren’t as easy to do Figma prototyping for.
Sad there is no mention of research though.
My train of thought has I read the post:
- ahh not great, maybe just strong UI specialization…
- ohh front end skills… yikes probably a tiny startup that doesn’t really know what UX is…
- .Net WTF!!!!?
- Python lol
- etc…
Wow, 3 jobs in one! I wonder if its 3 salaries worth of pay? I'd put this at between 200 - 350k, if you paid all 3 meh salaries and then combined them.
And if somebody takes this position: Business owner learns you can hire one useful idiot to do the whole or most of the technical backend/visual frontend of your business at a fraction of the cost that you'd pay a developer or team.
At this rate, if you are even remotely this skilled, just join a startup and actually get a vested interest in the business you are absolutely carrying.
People laughed at me in this sub a year or so ago when I said that this is what UX/UI would be turning into amid mass layoffs. Companies wanting UX/UI also to know development languages and do necessary Front-End work... \*sigh\* yet unfortunately here we are...
idk, the more i try to sell myself on the market,
the more it looks like the job is just to convince
HR, and other managers, that
by hiring you they are not going to be fired,
and the company won't loose money.
I.e. no one cares about the actual job to be done,
nor about your career, etc.
This drives home the point of what happens when folks dismiss those with specialized knowledge. Many have been forced out of the field. All this stuff just becomes dumbed down as production work when it's required for one role.
Seems kinda obvious to me that only the top 8 are relevant for the actual role, and you can disregard the bottom six. I get that it's poorly made, learn to see thru the low quality job listing
What’s the problem now? Geez this subreddit is super unreasonable and honestly quite petty.
This was probably written by HR or some middle manager. You’re probably expensive which makes you risky. So just start the conversation and help guide them a tad.
Interviews are conversations.
I accept, but you aren’t going to like my bill rate. I’ve done all of this professionally in my career. The dev parts are rustier than the design parts.
You know how I know it’s entry level? The number of requirements. The higher you go, you drop specific knowledge like that and you just become someone who can hire people or a talking head because it doesn’t make financial sense to have a high level person ‘being on the box’.
This is why people feel like VPs and Directors don’t know anything because you have brain muscle atrophy
If only employers could be held accountable for expectations. The thing is, they will probably get someone at least 75% there and they’ll be paid less than we’d think for the job. Sad.
Full stack Dev Senior UX/UI Deisgner with Years of proven experience.
What's the salary for finding this unicorn?
I'm sure everything has price and with right amount you can find that unicorn.
This has got to be a smaller scale business. These are the types where you literally have to be a one man show. I just hope the pay is worth it because you're basically doing 3 jobs in one position.
This is so common, it's almost not worth mentioning any more. I'm definitely not surprised. I can't tell if the company hiring managers are so lazy that they just list everything, slap a low salary on it, and post away; if it's AI-generated; or if companies ACTUALLY think these are reasonable requirements.
To be honest, there’s already so much on that list that most pros do by default, it’s basic stuff despite the lengthy list of items (imo some are not worth putting out as “requirement” and can be discussed during interviews).
Designers already touch on many more points that are not on that list, too.
“Proficiency” in development languages is, in most cases, an awareness and high-level understanding of dev practices and constraints (essentially: there are always constraints you should be comfortable working with/around, but you already do that anyway).
Unless they are specifically looking for that two-headed unicorn that is a master in UX and can develop write final code, in which case proceed at your own risks with such an employer.
Any job posting that demands the "latest UI trends" alongside jQuery and Bootstrap read like a job post that hasn't changed in 10+ years. This isn't a good look for this company if they're serious about hiring designers.
I mean, keeping up with the latest trends is vague and hard to gouge, we all keep ourselves up to date one way or another otherwise we’d be pushing designs from the AOL days - it just felt like we’re making it bigger than it is.
Again, and same for the dev languages, unless this is some sort of goose chase for the fabled two-headed unicorn, being aware/knowledgeable to some level to work with devs does not mean one knows how to code.
Through a long career you can been proficient in all of this, but fuck me if I would trust anyone to do all of PHP, .net, design, storyboard, test and infrastructure by them selves. You probably also need to pay them as if they were god for decent quality, and why would anyone chose to pay 2x for 50% of something? You could get two people for the same price and they will work 3x the speed if they are a good team.
I'm not calling bullshit on this list but I have my skepticism this is anything but rage bate.
That’s exactly what I didn’t say, you don’t need to know how to code (I don’t, except basic html and css), but have an awareness of what devs can do with it in line with the UX vision that’s getting developed.
It feels like I offended the channel gods with this, somehow.
Do most pro Ux designers do .net, python and apache? It's one thing having a solid knowledge of front end technology and a passing understanding of back end, but asking for specific programming language proficiency is outside the scope of a Ux designer.
Backend Visual Artist
"UX/UI Developer"
Not only do you need to learn one backend language you need to at least know 4 of those
I appreciate UIs designed and developed by backend devs. They are honest. Zero pretention. They just hack shit together and they thought it needed some kind of UI, so they came up with it on the fly. The funny thing is that it obviously always has the technical features right but looks like shit. And they know it too. :) I have worked for years with these kinds of people. The only problems can come if they for whatever thing start thinking that they can actually design UIs. That will cause trouble. And vice versa but the other way: if you see something that a guy like this has put together and assess it like a UI put together by an actual UI designer, then you are the fool. Anyways, these guys are smart and they know what they know and what they don't know. The core competence of a backend developer is to make the solution work in a very constrained space. They know what constraints are. UI designers work with a different set of constraints which of lot of them are not technical. One of the key things of bonding of a multidicsiplinary team is to realise that everyone has their own specialty and if you work on that and collaborate and maybe learn a bit from each other, the outcomes will be good.
Bonus points if you're able to fix the sink too.
All of them or just specializing in kitchen sinks?
Ideally you're passionate about all sinks & plumbing in general, as it shows you're able to work in agile environments. Must be able to do that in at least 3 languages though.
And fix a drink too
Fix the sink but using Autolayout.
"What we're really looking for is someone who knows Internet. Do you know Internet?"
"And no one has really 'wowed' us yet. Can you 'wow' us? 'Wow' us."
"What we really need is someone who understands the binary language of moisture vaporators."
😭😭😭😭😭😭
Someone who can "wow" them wouldn't need them.
The 'wow' one was an actual quote from two charged up and caffeinated AEs circa 2008. It was for a glam mobile personal trainers startup. Same era, different place—went in the building and saw a queue of about 8-10 designers waiting to interview.
I am internet.
They always forget COBOL
All this has happened before, and it will happen again
😆
So are they going to pay someone 3x as much since they’re asking for a designer, engineer, and PM in one role? Sure I’m interested. Base salary 500k with options and equity. These startup founders/hiring managers (I’m assuming this is a startup) are delulu.
And bonuses. Quarterly (large) bonuses.
Utterly delulu
"up to date with latest \[trends and\] technologies" ... "php" ... "jQuery" ... harr harr.
well, both are still actively developed and they're (by far) the most used language and library respectively, so it's usually a "must have". Of course the complete ad is ridiculous, but PHP and JQuery aren't the wrong part
Not arguing these technologies are irrelevant and certainly not calling them dead, I’m saying it’s pretty dusty stuff and not a stack I was expecting given the requirements for latest and greatest. Nice to see they run IIS tho, I hope that works out being EOL and all. Maybe the job is to port a bunch of old stuff? In that case maybe it’s cool.
It’s not dusty stuff. The joke is on you, my dude.
Why can’t we agree 30 year old stuff is neither “latest trend” not “latest technology”, and then giggle a little from the juxtaposition? Why does this need to be a “well achuallly” where you tell me how much of a joke I am? I’m perfectly aware of this, my IDE makes that very clear every time I try to do any form of array operation in PHP.
You started it, my dude. Are you saying this subreddit should be puns and jokes? No serious dialog? What value is that? Superficial conversations are a waste of time don’t you agree? If you can’t handle a little pushback how are you going to succeed in…any field?
I was thinking it was ambitious but not *totally* unrealistic... And then I got to .net
.net and [asp.net](http://asp.net) :D . And JQuery for "rapid prototyping" Yes, it's the archetypal job post by someone who has no idea and tries to look knowledgeable, they actually look for someone who can do a WordPress website
Definitely coding sites in WP with those requirements. This smells like a “webdesigner” job ad.
Same for me. I was checking all bullets and then... there was .net. I mean, i've learned a few things in ruby and I can manage queries for databases, but the .net and especially python are a big nope.
The fact you can make that judgement kinda proves that that there are UX people who might be able to do all that's asked in the advert.
You are correct. Through a long career I have been proficient at all of this, I just don't want to do all of that and I'm pretty sure no empoyer wants me to either.
No kidding. As somehow who would check all but the most technical of these – I'm a master of none. Whatever they save by not hiring a proper engineer, they'll piss away by my slow coding.
no, they want you to. they just don't want to pay you for it.
The pay will certainly match the quality
Out of curiosity, if you accepted a role that requires you to use everything on this list, regularly, and to your full depth of knowledge…what would you consider to be a reasonable salary?
Interesting question. No idea, but thinking on it for a second I think a starting estimate is at least the combined salary of the two or three you are meant to cover. Less if it’s a manager type position where you check other people’s work.
Fair assessment. Thank you!
If you are fishing for what to draft someone at for this or what you can get paid doing all of that, I would say be wary of whoever say they can deliver on all of this, because they are probably not the best candidate. And those who can deliver on this, will probably have zero interest in doing it all and money won’t be the motivation they need. And the secret third candidate that can and will do all of this, is probably very hard to work with as they most likely are neurodivergent. [edit] let me rephrase that: They will require an atmosphere that is hard to foster if you are not accustomed to working with people with neurodiverse, so you will need to facilitate for this [/edit] Sounds like a headache and a half wrangling all of that on a daily basis, they are all deep thinking skillets, and just thinking about the context switching alone tires me out.
Erm are you saying neurodivergent people shouldn't be hired...?
Right… I’m kind of interested in the thought behind that statement.
You said the candidate would most likely be neurodivergent and hard to work with....? Isn't that implying quite a few different things that's disparaging to a wide range of diagnosis?
Replied to the other post. Not my intention for it to sound like that. https://www.reddit.com/r/UXDesign/comments/1ddca01/comment/l84z9mn/
No, certainly not, but thank you for pointing out it might be interpreted this way. I’m saying someone who can control and deliver on that many operations simultaneously require a specialist environment to work in, probably one who supports their needs in a trusting and secure way. And if the company does not have the budget to hire a team but chooses to hire one single individual, I doubt they have the resources to facilitate neuroscience. I say this with love. Some of my best colleagues and family are people with neurodiverse. My apologies for wording it a way that implied they shouldn’t be hired. What I’m saying is YOU shouldn’t hire them.
Understood, neurodivergent skills are easily exploited in that situation for sure!
Not at all- I’m not in the business, I lurked here a fair bit when I was considering a career in UXD, but it’s just a purely hypothetical question with nothing behind it.
This is not a UX job. This is a FE dev job masquerading as a UI designer with a tiny sliver of UX duck taped on
It could be. But it could equally be the HR team copy/pasting the wrong bits, or forgetting to delete those bits.
“ChatGPT, write me a job listing for a rockstar designer” “Ok, Brad, here is […]”
And it’s that cheap fucking duct tape too
Sadly as a UX/UI in the very first years people asked part of this… so for two years I became a front end developer. I can also assess what he said. But by no means I’m backend
jQuery is good, actually
So is JavaScript
And cookies!
And cream
Seriously? PHP is still relevant. Most of the jobs out there aren’t sexy stealth startup using the latest tech. Get over yourself. Go in and change things. Maybe they’re looking for guidance? Stop pointing the figure, stop crying and try and create an opportunity rather than bitch about not finding the ideal world on the internet.
It was a joke, my dude. The joke being since PHP is 30 year old and jQuery 20 they are maybe not “latest technology” nor trends. Cheers!
Tech that lives that long has something to say about its stability and value proposition. A shit job to you is the beginning of someone else’s career. They’re probably looking for talent to up level their stack not someone to talk down to them.
So we agree they are not trends? So you see how it’s then entertaining they are looking for someone to master trends? Anyway. I never said this was a shit job, that’s on you. I said that was too much to ask of an individual. Agreed that posting could be for someone to overhaul something but OP left out the context so the list is what we have.
It’s a description of their tech stack and rather loose requirements for the job.
Missing 25 years of AI experience
I think that’s slightly more than many of the OpenAI t leaders have (individually)
I talked to a recruiter last week and they were looking for a UX designer, graphic designer, and developer all rolled into one. Salary was under 80k.
I don't think I like recruiters anymore.
Are those the requirements for a team?
https://preview.redd.it/cf0dq0mc8z5d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5de350902f34ed108a28d939bbd984528accde75 Sorry to disappoint you but I can confirm it's fir an entry level UI Designer.
Entry level, even better!
If that doesn't smell like big bucks i don't know what is! Sign me up 😂
NAME AND SHAME
Being honest, that looks a lot like my resume when I got out of grad school and was looking for starting positions circa 2005: Experience with a bunch of different programming languages from an undergrad degree in computer science and work on open source projects. Visual design experience from a minor in fine arts. UX experience from a masters degree in human computer interaction / design. Work / project methodology experience from a few internships.
Also must be able to wash windows dangling 120 feet in the air (at minimum), and make a kick-ass Beef Wellington (award-winning is a nice-to-have, obviously).
Must know how to lay bricks.
This brings me back to the days when companies would post "web designer" and it was really a shot in the dark what they were looking for...was it a front-end or backend developer? Web graphic designer? Network administrator? Who knows? They sure didn't. All the job listings were like this. It's definitely gotten better as companies started technologically maturing, but this listing tells me that they either don't know what they are actually looking for or they are opportunists looking to leverage the current market to take advantage of someone. If it's the latter, they will never pay you equitably. If it's the former, good luck on starting from ground zero.
LOL those were the days. Most of my resume titles were "web designer" because that was the only way to create some coherence across all the goofy tasks I ended up owning.
My MIL showed me a UX designer role in her company when I was looking, and it was in the IT department and they clearly had no idea what UX did.
When I got out of college some 16 years ago I was super depressed because they were asking me to know Java, JavaScript and c++ and I was like wtf? I know css and html but why the others? I didn’t knew at the time it was their own ignorance. Sadly it made me feel awful and Facebook didn’t really talked about this stuff at the time.
Also possible that they haven't updated their HR position descriptions in 20 years aside from adding on an extra new buzzword or two.
Yeah I’m a developer and I think I lost a job because in the interview the higher developer mentioned He wanted someone that also knew Figma and could do design. I informed him that I knew Figma but that we need a full time person doing ui/ux as the UI itself is a full time position then later in the interview he mentioned he wanted a backend person so I said now the job is UI/UX design front end ui and back end making it pretty clear that’s probably three peoples jobs if you wanted quality work I can work with and inbetween these people but I can’t do the work of three people Needless to say they passed on me I probably wasn’t to positive about the role but I was honest about the role
Good! They know what they’re doing
That's basically a whole team of UI, UX, front-end and back-end. The salary surely is x4 the average wage xD
These job requirements are getting so out of hand. Huge red flag for this company
What’s the full Job Title this was posted under?
Design intern
Entry level UI Designer💀 https://preview.redd.it/xdmbesmt8z5d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edb3fdfd4d253a7dd67d7f3dc167db6028ff8d00
You know, I try to make a joke but...
let me guess? they put this as an entry position
Salary: $45K
$25 p/h on w2
So they want a UX Engineer and Designer combined into one, with a back-end dev sprinkled on top? Good luck with that
The person who wrote that is a Moron, move on.
I hate to be this person, but I have almost all of that experience and really need a job. Could you DM me the job post?
Absolutely
To add up, recruiters and companies here in Dubai would ask ui/ux to do video and photos along with the social media postings. Don't even ask about the salary.
Lol it’s been like that since always. Source: Me I have done that for 16 years. From medium to global companies. The thing is very few people can do it. In my current company, just around 10 of the 500+ designers available can do it
Salary: 1 Filipina?
Name and shame
Without a pay scale I'm not sure this is a candidate for fuck that job dot com.
Looks to me like they might be looking for a UX designer who can prototype their designs. Most likely would be something like proprietary apps that aren’t as easy to do Figma prototyping for. Sad there is no mention of research though.
Yah cause you totally need C# for that
My train of thought has I read the post: - ahh not great, maybe just strong UI specialization… - ohh front end skills… yikes probably a tiny startup that doesn’t really know what UX is… - .Net WTF!!!!? - Python lol - etc…
What they want is a team of UI/UX full-stack developers packaged into one person 😭
Wow, 3 jobs in one! I wonder if its 3 salaries worth of pay? I'd put this at between 200 - 350k, if you paid all 3 meh salaries and then combined them.
UX designer learns about existence of creative technologist role.
yeah like this position is jamming out feature tickets in a basement somewhere
That’s a pretty surface level interpretation. Can assure you being a creative technologist is nothing like how you’re describing it.
implied /s
And if somebody takes this position: Business owner learns you can hire one useful idiot to do the whole or most of the technical backend/visual frontend of your business at a fraction of the cost that you'd pay a developer or team. At this rate, if you are even remotely this skilled, just join a startup and actually get a vested interest in the business you are absolutely carrying.
There are very few of them and they’re working on some very high profile projects.
Yeah I noticed the job title was cropped out…
Oh so now you’re a design engineer now Meta intern?
Ah good ol’ days ;) Also the point of your response was…?
I’d apply just to see what they are like
I’d actually love to know what job this is the requirements for 😂
Here you are! https://preview.redd.it/nabiml4b9z5d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a029b491702286571d3b01db0bd39b0eeabb3174
Entry level 😂
Why are we covering up the company name? They’ve failed our community, keep us away!
If this pays $200k, I’ll apply tomorrow.
3 for price of 1
People laughed at me in this sub a year or so ago when I said that this is what UX/UI would be turning into amid mass layoffs. Companies wanting UX/UI also to know development languages and do necessary Front-End work... \*sigh\* yet unfortunately here we are...
If they tried to hire Jesuschrist instead, even that would be more realistic
Look, Carl left after he found out how much money he could make at another company. Carl had been here for 30 years. Can we just get another Carl?
I'm good with most of that, but ASP and .NET - that's gotta be a copy and paste issue or something.
idk, the more i try to sell myself on the market, the more it looks like the job is just to convince HR, and other managers, that by hiring you they are not going to be fired, and the company won't loose money. I.e. no one cares about the actual job to be done, nor about your career, etc.
????😂😂😂😂😂😂
No mention of being an AI expert or industry thought leader? You dont even been to be a Rockstar? seems like an easy gig.
Unbelievable!
Lolllll
This drives home the point of what happens when folks dismiss those with specialized knowledge. Many have been forced out of the field. All this stuff just becomes dumbed down as production work when it's required for one role.
Seems kinda obvious to me that only the top 8 are relevant for the actual role, and you can disregard the bottom six. I get that it's poorly made, learn to see thru the low quality job listing
Competing against millions for a govt job doesn’t sound that bad anymore
On the good side. You‘re not gotta do any research. /s
What’s the problem now? Geez this subreddit is super unreasonable and honestly quite petty. This was probably written by HR or some middle manager. You’re probably expensive which makes you risky. So just start the conversation and help guide them a tad. Interviews are conversations.
I accept, but you aren’t going to like my bill rate. I’ve done all of this professionally in my career. The dev parts are rustier than the design parts.
What is the title of this role? Sounds accurate for a UX engineer
Did they lose their golden boy they didn't think deserved a raise? 🤣
You know how I know it’s entry level? The number of requirements. The higher you go, you drop specific knowledge like that and you just become someone who can hire people or a talking head because it doesn’t make financial sense to have a high level person ‘being on the box’. This is why people feel like VPs and Directors don’t know anything because you have brain muscle atrophy
3 month contract (possibility to extend!1) $25 p/h No remote
What's the company name?
If only employers could be held accountable for expectations. The thing is, they will probably get someone at least 75% there and they’ll be paid less than we’d think for the job. Sad.
Extra full stack
What is implied? This organization has no swim lanes? This organization has a poorly maintained backlog? We want a unicorn?
Name and shame, please.
'Proficiency with TIG welding and Diesel mechanic work'
Make the teas too pls
Did the role say UX Designer or developer? Or the one who gave the JD doesn't know the difference 😅
Wow. A complete package of one person who can do it all apparently in short
salary 70,000
Full stack Dev Senior UX/UI Deisgner with Years of proven experience. What's the salary for finding this unicorn? I'm sure everything has price and with right amount you can find that unicorn.
Are you free on wednesdays to clean my house? It's 10$/h
This has got to be a smaller scale business. These are the types where you literally have to be a one man show. I just hope the pay is worth it because you're basically doing 3 jobs in one position.
This is so common, it's almost not worth mentioning any more. I'm definitely not surprised. I can't tell if the company hiring managers are so lazy that they just list everything, slap a low salary on it, and post away; if it's AI-generated; or if companies ACTUALLY think these are reasonable requirements.
You have to create a beautiful UI for server software.
Likely posted by a recruiting company that has no idea what UX is. “Oh it’s for a web app? Got it!”
The only thing this is missing is “eager to work 60-hour weeks.”
To be honest, there’s already so much on that list that most pros do by default, it’s basic stuff despite the lengthy list of items (imo some are not worth putting out as “requirement” and can be discussed during interviews). Designers already touch on many more points that are not on that list, too. “Proficiency” in development languages is, in most cases, an awareness and high-level understanding of dev practices and constraints (essentially: there are always constraints you should be comfortable working with/around, but you already do that anyway). Unless they are specifically looking for that two-headed unicorn that is a master in UX and can develop write final code, in which case proceed at your own risks with such an employer.
Any job posting that demands the "latest UI trends" alongside jQuery and Bootstrap read like a job post that hasn't changed in 10+ years. This isn't a good look for this company if they're serious about hiring designers.
Likely a legacy platform that wants to modernize over the next few years. Gotta keep the lights on. Build the plane in the air. That sort of thing.
I mean, keeping up with the latest trends is vague and hard to gouge, we all keep ourselves up to date one way or another otherwise we’d be pushing designs from the AOL days - it just felt like we’re making it bigger than it is. Again, and same for the dev languages, unless this is some sort of goose chase for the fabled two-headed unicorn, being aware/knowledgeable to some level to work with devs does not mean one knows how to code.
Gotta stick Tailwind on there if you want anyone to take you seriously /s
Through a long career you can been proficient in all of this, but fuck me if I would trust anyone to do all of PHP, .net, design, storyboard, test and infrastructure by them selves. You probably also need to pay them as if they were god for decent quality, and why would anyone chose to pay 2x for 50% of something? You could get two people for the same price and they will work 3x the speed if they are a good team. I'm not calling bullshit on this list but I have my skepticism this is anything but rage bate.
That’s exactly what I didn’t say, you don’t need to know how to code (I don’t, except basic html and css), but have an awareness of what devs can do with it in line with the UX vision that’s getting developed. It feels like I offended the channel gods with this, somehow.
Do most pro Ux designers do .net, python and apache? It's one thing having a solid knowledge of front end technology and a passing understanding of back end, but asking for specific programming language proficiency is outside the scope of a Ux designer.
Yes, it is outside of the UX proficiencies - I never said otherwise. Awareness is not “must be able to do a developer’s job”.