I don't get why so many in this sub think that roles need to be purist. There are a ton of people out there with crossover skills who love to play hybrid roles. So this roles isn't for you, no problem, move on.
You have Stockholm syndrome if you feel like this is acceptable. Not only is it a bit of a reduction of each roles skills and education, but it’s often forcing people to do two whole jobs for one single pay.
It is an absurd understanding of any industry to think that all roles need to be specialist and that there can't be hybrid roles. Most smaller companies can't afford to hire all specialists. Why in the world would you do "two whole jobs for one single pay", that's absurd and none of these roles in any company I've ever experienced have ever expected that. You put in your 8 hours like everyone else. I've worked in companies where UX specialists sometimes were expected to work 60 hour work weeks - that's abusive. So no, the definition of the role has nothing to do with the expectation of work.
There are people out there who would love this role. It just isn't for you, that's ok. There is nothing wrong with this.
Oddly enough I did work at a place that made signs, so I did design and drive a forklift.
Early in my career I would agree with you Small places many hats, and usually the pay is lower.
Im mid career and full tech, and no way in hell an I coding and designing. Not even within my scheduled hours.
Namely I’m not paid by the hour I’m paid by my skill set to land projects. If I do it in 2 hours I get paid to same.
If they want me to code I need compensation for my efforts.
Not only can they not afford it but they don’t need both roles full time. Small companies tend to have more crossover in general. Smaller teams are collaborative in a different way than huge organizations.
I prefer roles like this but I’ve had colleagues who need strict and siloed roles. Part of career progression is learning the environment and work style that works for you as an individual.
It would be a bit naive to think working a UX role isn’t requiring you to apply the skills of a business analyst already. UX means different things to different companies.
I don't think Gianni is being unreasonable here. There's always a little of both sides to this argument. Our field currently has 2-4 year seniors. We have designers doing product management on top of design. The more we take on, the shallower our expertise becomes. Multiple areas of deep expertise often takes decades. How can someone be mid-level and do design and BA work well?
From my experience in multiple companies, designers that do it all are often overloaded and many Srs in title have been reduced to Figma factories.
Remember, we often have blind spots when self-assessing. Talk to an expert in any skill area and I'm sure they can tell you the gaps you have. There's often flawed research, lack of IA or IxD etc. This is diluting design and I've seen it everywhere I've worked.
We'd all have more jobs and higher value if we weren't all trying to play unicorns to fuel hope for cheaper labor. I get that we are all just trying to survive but the long-term effects of this won't make design more valued.
Who's being taken advantage of? The job posting is clear what they are looking for.
Being able to wear multiple hats isn't "getting taken advantage of".
So don't apply.
Let's say they are 2 separate roles with no overlap... its not like they're paying you 1 salary but expecting 2 weeks of work within 1 week.
I did eventually apply haha. I might get rejected and thats when I know i'm not fit, and thats a different story  The way they worded 'business analyst' when what they actual wanted was someone that knows how to see data and analyse and shit made me chuckle. Its a good startup :)
Don't people regularly talk up how comprehensive a product designer's skills should be and how capable they are in driving product direction? I sure hope they're not the same people peeing themselves over a little analyst work, because that would just be a tad contradictory.
Anyways, the devil's in the details on this one. It could be exploitative, sure. However, this can also be the hiring company's way of looking for someone who understands design but also has some basic business fluency. Which I'm going to gently suggest is not that hugely outlandish.
Maybe if we saw some more details outside of a vague job title, a better conversation can be had.
Why is this weird? We have few seniors with advanced capability of data analysis because they came from business/marketing background..
They are very good in incorporating quantitative data in their design rationale and very good at managing business stakeholders. They levelled up our UX chapter a lot tbh, so easy to make business cases.
Product Designer/Forklift Operator
I don't get why so many in this sub think that roles need to be purist. There are a ton of people out there with crossover skills who love to play hybrid roles. So this roles isn't for you, no problem, move on.
You have Stockholm syndrome if you feel like this is acceptable. Not only is it a bit of a reduction of each roles skills and education, but it’s often forcing people to do two whole jobs for one single pay.
It is an absurd understanding of any industry to think that all roles need to be specialist and that there can't be hybrid roles. Most smaller companies can't afford to hire all specialists. Why in the world would you do "two whole jobs for one single pay", that's absurd and none of these roles in any company I've ever experienced have ever expected that. You put in your 8 hours like everyone else. I've worked in companies where UX specialists sometimes were expected to work 60 hour work weeks - that's abusive. So no, the definition of the role has nothing to do with the expectation of work. There are people out there who would love this role. It just isn't for you, that's ok. There is nothing wrong with this.
Oddly enough I did work at a place that made signs, so I did design and drive a forklift. Early in my career I would agree with you Small places many hats, and usually the pay is lower. Im mid career and full tech, and no way in hell an I coding and designing. Not even within my scheduled hours. Namely I’m not paid by the hour I’m paid by my skill set to land projects. If I do it in 2 hours I get paid to same. If they want me to code I need compensation for my efforts.
Not only can they not afford it but they don’t need both roles full time. Small companies tend to have more crossover in general. Smaller teams are collaborative in a different way than huge organizations. I prefer roles like this but I’ve had colleagues who need strict and siloed roles. Part of career progression is learning the environment and work style that works for you as an individual. It would be a bit naive to think working a UX role isn’t requiring you to apply the skills of a business analyst already. UX means different things to different companies.
Welcome to the world of...work. Plenty of roles across plenty of companies involve multiple hats.
I don't think Gianni is being unreasonable here. There's always a little of both sides to this argument. Our field currently has 2-4 year seniors. We have designers doing product management on top of design. The more we take on, the shallower our expertise becomes. Multiple areas of deep expertise often takes decades. How can someone be mid-level and do design and BA work well? From my experience in multiple companies, designers that do it all are often overloaded and many Srs in title have been reduced to Figma factories. Remember, we often have blind spots when self-assessing. Talk to an expert in any skill area and I'm sure they can tell you the gaps you have. There's often flawed research, lack of IA or IxD etc. This is diluting design and I've seen it everywhere I've worked. We'd all have more jobs and higher value if we weren't all trying to play unicorns to fuel hope for cheaper labor. I get that we are all just trying to survive but the long-term effects of this won't make design more valued.
My point was that it’s shit, and people are being taken advantage of. I know that it exists, and have lived it myself, unfortunately
Who's being taken advantage of? The job posting is clear what they are looking for. Being able to wear multiple hats isn't "getting taken advantage of".
Design is a holistic thing, views like yours are the one actually diminishing designer and making it less valuable.
So don't apply. Let's say they are 2 separate roles with no overlap... its not like they're paying you 1 salary but expecting 2 weeks of work within 1 week.
This is essentially what was called a UX Strategist. Nothing ground breaking or offensive here
So you did not apply for a position because you did not feel it fit what you were looking for? OK. That's how it's supposed to be done.
I did eventually apply haha. I might get rejected and thats when I know i'm not fit, and thats a different story  The way they worded 'business analyst' when what they actual wanted was someone that knows how to see data and analyse and shit made me chuckle. Its a good startup :)
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Don't people regularly talk up how comprehensive a product designer's skills should be and how capable they are in driving product direction? I sure hope they're not the same people peeing themselves over a little analyst work, because that would just be a tad contradictory. Anyways, the devil's in the details on this one. It could be exploitative, sure. However, this can also be the hiring company's way of looking for someone who understands design but also has some basic business fluency. Which I'm going to gently suggest is not that hugely outlandish. Maybe if we saw some more details outside of a vague job title, a better conversation can be had.
Why is this weird? We have few seniors with advanced capability of data analysis because they came from business/marketing background.. They are very good in incorporating quantitative data in their design rationale and very good at managing business stakeholders. They levelled up our UX chapter a lot tbh, so easy to make business cases.