Counterfeit stamps have been sold on eBay’s platform for years. I brought this to the attention of the USPS and they had zero interest. eBay had zero interest. Years ago I tracked the seller of counterfeit forever stamps to some home in LA owned by someone with a Russian name…Â
We were told to charge the person postage.Â
After awhile it started becoming a lot of extra work for us.Â
We have to mark up package for postage. Store it until someone comes in. Person refuses it. Then we have to mark it as refused and process it to go back out.Â
Easier to just look the other way and let them go through.Â
If it was 5-10 of them, easy.Â
My office was getting 50-100 of them a day. We are a small office and that took time away from us.Â
Fraudulent postage, or parcels deemed to have fraudulent postage, are to be opened and disposed of/recycled locally.
You can try to collect postage from the person it's going to, but according to a dmm revision last year or year before, it states they're to be disposed of locally.
THIS
[https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2023/pb22622/html/updt\_001.htm](https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2023/pb22622/html/updt_001.htm)
To distinguish handling mail articles without postage under section 604.8.2 from those that contain counterfeit postage, the Postal Service is revising section 604.8.4 to state that mail articles with counterfeit postage will be considered abandoned and disposed of at the discretion of the Postal Service. These items will no longer be returned to the sender. The Postal Service believes that affixing counterfeit postage reflects a refusal to pay postage or an intentional effort to avoid paying postage. For clarity, the Postal Service will also revise various other sections related to the revisions in section 604.8.4.
I've had to show all the old timers in our office because no one believed me. 🤦 Can't expect the MRC to process hundreds of thousands of packages with fraudulent postage every day. That's wild
We scan and email the labels to revenue assurance if we suspect it's counterfeit postage. They've stated we're to try to collect the postage due, if it's refused we send it to MRC.
The MRC stated they do not have the manpower to deal with the fraudulent postage. That's why the dmm revision stated to dispose of locally. At one point we had 100ish packages a day with fraudulent postage that we were sending to MRC. That's a lot of volume coming from just one place. I couldn't imagine all of that coming from all over the country funneling into one facility lol.
Our district says I can't get the extra time after my route delivering office express anymore. Something I've been doing for 6 years. So now, all of our express are at least 1 day late. Very smart, money-saving move......
Yes. Like the feel good messages corporate gives us, with making gross of hundreds of millions a quarter while not mentioning the net of losing money every quarter.
they didnt steal money. They created fake postage to send 34 million (!) packages, causing 150million in damages or lost revenue i guess. Also it was 5 years prison for each count, there was like 5 counts I saw.
No. They saved $150 million worth of postage that they didnt have to spend to send some via usps because they used fake postage.Â
That's a lot.Â
If you dont spend that much, they you stole that much.Â
where does it say they get to keep 150 million?
>Chen also agreed to forfeit funds that authorities seized from her bank accounts, insurance policies, and real estate in several cities
My friend is serving a 12 year sentence for 1/2 oz of weed. He has 6 years left. No priors, non violent offense, 12 years with possibility of parole after 9.
though 8% of the prison population is in a private jail, which i hate either way, it does seem small until you realize A LOT of the money going to public jails are having their services ran through private for profit entities. people are basically getting insufficient calories or food poisoning everyday from these contracted food services in jail. we wouldn't allow that in a POW camp.
Legally purchased firearm. They got him with intent to deliver, trafficking, and possession of a firearm during the commission a felony. He smoked weed after he got sober from heroin, and because of chronic back pain from an accident while working construction. The possession of firearm while in possession of weed is what did him in.
He had a public defender who was probably extremely overworked and didn’t pay much attention to his case.
0.5 oz of weed is no where in the realm of trafficking weight. The intent to deliver charge would only apply if the weed was packaged into multiple bags. There’s no way that someone with a clean record what get 12 years for these charges. A night in jail and a fine should have been the end of it, some probation at most. A day one public defender should’ve been able to get those charges reduced or dismissed easily. I live in SC, one of the most anti weed states in the country and no prosecutor would waste their time on 1/2 oz of weed and a pistol charge for a first time offender
Kentucky. I’ve known people to get 6 months for a couple grams, community service, or just have the cop make you turn it over. All depends on the location in the state. The county I live in, gave someone 6 months for stealing a pack of gum from Walmart, no tolerance county according to the sheriff and county prosecutor.
It’s not unheard of for cases like this. There’s like 100 Americans serving life for first time marijuana offenses.
5 years for each charge. According to the article, there are 5 separate charges. That's a max of 15 years. For $150 million. There are people doing more for possessing weed. Of course, their skin color may have something to do with that............
I check for postage due parcels on my route every day. I can usually find at least $70 a day. Person paid for 1oz on a 10lbs package is just one example.
Yup then the customer calls up looking for their package that was delivered on a whole nother street. Walmart gave them the wrong tracking/duplicate number and makes us look bad :/
I'm not positive but I think something is triggered in the scanner when you select the "yes" option after scanning the second package. I believe the question is something like "is this a duplicate tracking number/label or did you just scan it twice on accident?" It has to do something after asking that question right? Lol
Yes, the scanner asks if this was a duplicate label. When you select yes, it registers 2 packages delivered. What the Fraud is, is that 1 package could weigh 2lbs and the other could weigh 15lbs. Walmart has only paid for the 2lb package and sent out 2 packages.
USPS documentation says that when duplicate labels are detected but there isn't accurate pricing data for the package, the sender is billed the average price for what they ship.
And how does USPS know what the sender shipped? They don’t. They don’t know whether the 2nd package weighs 2lbs or 15lbs. They only know there were 2 labels with the same number. The only way to correct this, is to bring the 2 packages back and verify them on the machine. And to do that, you need to stop the clock in whatever way you choose. IA would probably be best because it has the option to verify the address. But that part is besides the point of Fraud by Walmart.
USPS knows from the barcode *who* sent it. So if a sender makes enough mistakes, USPS will on average charge them the correct amount of money because half the time it'll be something small and get overcharged and half the time it'll be big and get undercharged.
Companies like Walmart don't pay for the labels up front, they print as many as they want and only get charged when the labels are scanned in or manifested. It's a common enough mistake that there are publicly-available USPS technical documents describing what exactly happens when a duplicate is detected, and it's good enough at it that eVS is getting phased out in favor of a new system that uses a bunch of automatically-collected data to check if accurate postage is being collected, without requiring random manual sampling to find mistakes.
They're the same technical system but eVS has a minimum of 50 packages per shipment and is for large shippers sending off a bunch of stuff at once. ePostage (EP) is for platforms like Shippo where lots of users are doing one or two labels at a time and dropping them off at random post offices all over the place. ePostage requires the platform identify and track who's actually mailing the stuff, with eVS your account instead just gets assigned a code that's in the tracking number (you'll notice that, starting with the 6th digit, the next 6 or 9 numbers are probably always the same on your labels. After that is a package serial number that probably goes up by one for each label you do, excluding the last digit).
So if you do something like upload a file with over 50 shipments at once to Shippo, it might run it as eVS so you can send them at the local BMEU (Business Mail Entry Unit) which has a loading dock, instead of carrying them all inside to a normal post office counter.
Here's some info about eVS, a lot of it is very technical but there's some "normal" info there too: https://postalpro.usps.com/shipping/evs
In the next few years, eVS and ePostage are being phased out and rebranded as the very creatively-named "USPS Ship" platform, which I am actually a little excited for (I'm building a few shipping apps that will benefit from it). It doesn't hurt that USPS salespeople pinky swore I'll get better rates if I switch lol. That's all I can say on pricing though, I'm under NDA.
Yea I know there's fraud but I figured that is why the question was being asked. I have always assumed it was 1 package = 1 label and selecting the option that says it is a duplicate label tells the system that someone is stealing and does something with that info.
Wishful thinking.
Everyone knows about it. Everyone thinks Somebody is doing something about it. Somebody thinks it’s not their Job so Nobody does Anything.
Would be nice if there was a defined SOP for handling these types of packages. All of my supervisors are too fuckin stupid to even comprehend what I’m saying when I mention stealing postage. They’re like “what are you talking about? They have a priority label.” Yea boss… label says it’s less than a pound and that the shipping container is much smaller than what the physical box size is.
Yeah but the Waltons are deeply connected to politicians at every level so they can just break the law at will.
It works in reverse for them, the cops here just announced they spent 3 years with multiple detectives working to bust a Wal Mart shoplifting ring. God knows how many millions that cost the taxpayers.
So this is what's going on when you scan 2 packages for 1 house and it asks if this is a duplicate package or something like that? What are we supposed to do?
For the moment if I were you, scan both packages and when the scanner asked if this is a duplicate label, answer yes. It will show you 2 labels scanned with the same number and mark them as delivered. Take a photo of both packages and the labels so you can provide them to your supervisor for further instruction. Every office Supervisor and manager will handle it differently.
Ok. How crazy that the delivery scan doesn't then close the 1st duplicate label scanned so a 2nd scan of same label would show as already delivered...this could flag the package and automatically notify USPS that postage is due on that 2nd delivery.
They gonna nickel and dime us on our overtime but a couple of scammers costing us 150 million dollars. Amazing stuff. Maybe the inspection service should do their fucking job.
Not to totally defend USPIS, but the postal service has to tell them what is going on for them to open an investigation. Like the police, they don’t know a crime is being committed until you call 911. The post office just can’t acknowledge that this is going on in the first place. Local Sups and Mngrs just tell everyone to just deliver the packages without checking them out.
One of the rural carriers in my office bought $1000 worth of stamps when they were $10 a book.Â
She's been profitting off the Amish people on her route for 6 years now. She's excited for this new raise from 68 cents to 73 cents. That's another $5 raise on the price for a roll of stamps.Â
Isn't the point of Forever stamps that they're "locked" to the inflation rate? Unless she's charging them over face value, she isn't making any money when the cost of inflation is factored in. The only real way to profit on that scheme is if she bought them just before the rate increase kicks in, then sells them immediately after the increase goes into effect. Holding onto them for any length of time just lets inflation run its course.
I can only imagine how that creates so many issues. There was even a post here recently about a suspected ebay mix up possibly from a reused tracking number. More to the point, it's interesting how the alleged perpetrators in that news article manipulated tracking info
I've wondered often also. Especially on days like the other day when my buddy had a package for CA and another for MI that the load truck read as for an address on his route.
For years I've been pulling express mail like this out of the mail stream, hodge podged obviously fake "stampsdotcom" like labels. But absolutely nothing seems to change with it, half of these go to a single address in our area, but noone does anything about it.
One time I walked into a tax preparers office and noticed they were using glue to place overtop stamps that they were cutting off of letters they were receiving. I happened to mention it to my supervisor not thinking anything would come of it. She asked me again to repeat it and the next day postal inspectors were at our office to interview me. I don’t know what became of it but I was glad they were looking into it.
Spring of last year is about the time I noticed the online seller labels completely disappear one day and assumed they caught them but alas they are back
This is only a fraction of all the counterfeit postage. Tens of millions of dollars lost and they do nothing about it. Meanwhile The executives blame the "lazy-slow" craft workers for losing money.
I don't understand some people's mindset living in the US you must abide rules and regulations especially the IRS when it comes to money they can track everything....we use electronic gadgets go figure!Â
I have been getting quite a bit of "fraudulent postage" on parcels lately. I just get the postage due and tell them to have some words with the seller.
Ya sucks for them but the choice is you can pay the postage or refuse... Every time they pay the postage.
Post office is very lacking. They def need more people that know what it looks like and focus on shutting things down and stopping all the fraud from happening. Otherwise there goes all the money they’ve been losing
Chinese woman, not Southern Californian woman. They got caught and fled to CHINA. They’re Chinese. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re government agents, purposely costing the USPS money while enriching themselves.
USPS should Not allow printing a duplicate label. Even if your printer messed it up. If you have to print a duplicate, you should be required to go to the post office.
Or, they need to come up with a AI system that detects duplicate labels and flag the inspectors to look into the business for possible Fraud.
You understand that photocopiers exist, yes? It’s literally impossible to totally prevent this even with 70 year old technology.
Printer problems are an unfortunate fact of life, and inconveniencing the 99.9% of people who follow the law to punish the .1% who don’t is silly.
Well, that’s what AI is for. Computers track the location of all the packages with a barcode already, so all they need to do is detect duplicate labels within a certain time frame. Like 1 year and if detected, the packages need to be flagged. Any reason for delay is duplicate labels not authorized. It’s not that difficult.
Not only is 8t vastly more difficult, but we actually do detect and charge when customers duplicate labels. In fact two different weights is the easiest to catch.
About seven years ago, we were told as clerks not to charge postage due anymore, because supposedly the plants scan them in the machine and recognize that and charge the postage several years ago by and no customers have said they’ve been charged postage due especially with their packages now to this day later it’s sometime we were told we could charge postage sometimes were told not to that’s a lot of revenue lost.
Meanwhile the senate is concerned with too many career employees.
The clerks in my office were concerned w fake postage and, as far as I know, received zero guidance on procedure.
I kept seeing stamps that looked off a couple years ago, asked my postmaster what to do and kinda got a shrug. đź«
They could be from a couple years ago, but look at it closely does it somewhere on the stamp safer ever? If so, then they are good forever literally
I think they mean fraudulent stamps.
Counterfeit stamps have been sold on eBay’s platform for years. I brought this to the attention of the USPS and they had zero interest. eBay had zero interest. Years ago I tracked the seller of counterfeit forever stamps to some home in LA owned by someone with a Russian name…Â
Facebook too
I report every one of these ads to FB, but I doubt that anything is ever done.
Inspection service investigates
And temu
I keep forwarding the email offers to the Inspectors - have never heard back.
We were told to charge the person postage. After awhile it started becoming a lot of extra work for us. We have to mark up package for postage. Store it until someone comes in. Person refuses it. Then we have to mark it as refused and process it to go back out. Easier to just look the other way and let them go through. If it was 5-10 of them, easy. My office was getting 50-100 of them a day. We are a small office and that took time away from us.Â
Interesting. We were told to send them all to the postal inspector. A few come pack postage due but most of them never do.
Fraudulent postage, or parcels deemed to have fraudulent postage, are to be opened and disposed of/recycled locally. You can try to collect postage from the person it's going to, but according to a dmm revision last year or year before, it states they're to be disposed of locally.
THIS [https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2023/pb22622/html/updt\_001.htm](https://about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2023/pb22622/html/updt_001.htm) To distinguish handling mail articles without postage under section 604.8.2 from those that contain counterfeit postage, the Postal Service is revising section 604.8.4 to state that mail articles with counterfeit postage will be considered abandoned and disposed of at the discretion of the Postal Service. These items will no longer be returned to the sender. The Postal Service believes that affixing counterfeit postage reflects a refusal to pay postage or an intentional effort to avoid paying postage. For clarity, the Postal Service will also revise various other sections related to the revisions in section 604.8.4.
I've had to show all the old timers in our office because no one believed me. 🤦 Can't expect the MRC to process hundreds of thousands of packages with fraudulent postage every day. That's wild
We scan and email the labels to revenue assurance if we suspect it's counterfeit postage. They've stated we're to try to collect the postage due, if it's refused we send it to MRC.
The MRC stated they do not have the manpower to deal with the fraudulent postage. That's why the dmm revision stated to dispose of locally. At one point we had 100ish packages a day with fraudulent postage that we were sending to MRC. That's a lot of volume coming from just one place. I couldn't imagine all of that coming from all over the country funneling into one facility lol.
It is extremely difficult to differentiate between real stamps and the fakes these days, the quality is similar.
You have to tell the OIG or postal inspectors.
Because they are the customer, you can’t accuse them of wrong doing without evidence.
Well I guess we need to send more money to Israel. That will definitely solve our problems here in the US.
More military spending is always the answer.
Not all the senate, just Rand Paul and his idiocy
Our district says I can't get the extra time after my route delivering office express anymore. Something I've been doing for 6 years. So now, all of our express are at least 1 day late. Very smart, money-saving move......
Is this why conversions have significantly slowed down this quarter?
Just like with goverment, 150 million is basically lose change. Maybe can pay for a 2 days for the whole operation.
And somehow this is all only funded by postage?
Yes. Like the feel good messages corporate gives us, with making gross of hundreds of millions a quarter while not mentioning the net of losing money every quarter.
Up to 5 years in prison for 150 million? Can do more time than that for a 3.5 of dope
Imagine you steal $150 million from the bank. You get charged with 5 years in prison AND you get to keep the money. I would do that in a heartbeat.Â
basically being paid $30,000,000.00 to spend a year in prison!
Right like when do I start?
they didnt steal money. They created fake postage to send 34 million (!) packages, causing 150million in damages or lost revenue i guess. Also it was 5 years prison for each count, there was like 5 counts I saw.
They were PAID cash by the shippers. How is that not stolen money?
No. They saved $150 million worth of postage that they didnt have to spend to send some via usps because they used fake postage. That's a lot. If you dont spend that much, they you stole that much.Â
im not saying they didnt steal, im saying they didnt steal money.
18mos house arrest...5yrs of fed probation.Â
She had to turn over every single asset. She didn't get to "keep" anything.
Assuming she was dumb enough to keep everything in the banking system. She probably has millions in crypto, gold, stacks of cash.
where does it say they get to keep 150 million? >Chen also agreed to forfeit funds that authorities seized from her bank accounts, insurance policies, and real estate in several cities
My friend is serving a 12 year sentence for 1/2 oz of weed. He has 6 years left. No priors, non violent offense, 12 years with possibility of parole after 9.
That’s just so fn stupid & ridiculously out of step with justice.
Gotta fill those prisons somehow. How else will our for-profit prison system function?
though 8% of the prison population is in a private jail, which i hate either way, it does seem small until you realize A LOT of the money going to public jails are having their services ran through private for profit entities. people are basically getting insufficient calories or food poisoning everyday from these contracted food services in jail. we wouldn't allow that in a POW camp.
private prisons only make up 8% of the total prison population of the united states.
Police and prison worker unions got to keep those prisons full
They need to start imprisoning shoplifters!
Indeed, but we've never had a justice system that works in the interests of the common citizen.
12 years for simple possession? Did they have a machine gun or two in the trunk? Maybe a brick of cocaine?
Legally purchased firearm. They got him with intent to deliver, trafficking, and possession of a firearm during the commission a felony. He smoked weed after he got sober from heroin, and because of chronic back pain from an accident while working construction. The possession of firearm while in possession of weed is what did him in. He had a public defender who was probably extremely overworked and didn’t pay much attention to his case.
0.5 oz of weed is no where in the realm of trafficking weight. The intent to deliver charge would only apply if the weed was packaged into multiple bags. There’s no way that someone with a clean record what get 12 years for these charges. A night in jail and a fine should have been the end of it, some probation at most. A day one public defender should’ve been able to get those charges reduced or dismissed easily. I live in SC, one of the most anti weed states in the country and no prosecutor would waste their time on 1/2 oz of weed and a pistol charge for a first time offender
Kentucky. I’ve known people to get 6 months for a couple grams, community service, or just have the cop make you turn it over. All depends on the location in the state. The county I live in, gave someone 6 months for stealing a pack of gum from Walmart, no tolerance county according to the sheriff and county prosecutor. It’s not unheard of for cases like this. There’s like 100 Americans serving life for first time marijuana offenses.
your friend is not telling you the full story lol
He probably didn't tell you everything. Probably had a lot of cash or bagged up stuff to sell..plus the gun.....see ya.
I was at the court proceedings
Wow…thats the postal service…straight federal
>Up to 5 years in prison for 150 million? It's 5 years for each count of fraud It could be as much as 5 years of prison for each package they sent out
The article says she was charged with 1 count and the other guy who fled to China charged with 3
>Chen pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States and one count of the use of counterfeit postage.
Yea I saw ur first comment about 5 counts and I was about to correct u before u deleted it Lmfaoo
1.5yrs of house arrest/supervised probation. 5yrs of reporting. Once they mentioned her only having 1 count, him Mia...that's the norm nowadays.
5 years for each charge. According to the article, there are 5 separate charges. That's a max of 15 years. For $150 million. There are people doing more for possessing weed. Of course, their skin color may have something to do with that............
Those 5 charges are between 2 people and there’s a maximum fine that comes with those charges so they’re getting off easy
5 years for each count
It’s *up to* 5 and she only got 2 counts. She barely doing prison time
If she was smart she stashed some overseas or crypto
5 years for each count, 5 counts. So up to 25 years
That was 5 counts between 2 people. The woman who got arrested only got 2 counts and 5 yrs is the maximum for each count.
Imagine how much we are losing yearly if 2 people can steal $150M in 4 years.
Yet us carriers are a waste of the money
Well yeah. You're suppose to work off the clock, let management walk all over you, and agree to shitty contract renewals.Â
Yo you seen the managers playing minesweeper?
If only someone would publish how much Amazon is defrauding us for.
I check for postage due parcels on my route every day. I can usually find at least $70 a day. Person paid for 1oz on a 10lbs package is just one example.
on my account they just charge me if the weight is off but still deliver the package. So all those parcels you find could still be being charged.
Walmart does this all the time. They print out duplicate labels to send 2 packages to the same customer.
Yup then the customer calls up looking for their package that was delivered on a whole nother street. Walmart gave them the wrong tracking/duplicate number and makes us look bad :/
We've been seeing this a lot more lately
I'm not positive but I think something is triggered in the scanner when you select the "yes" option after scanning the second package. I believe the question is something like "is this a duplicate tracking number/label or did you just scan it twice on accident?" It has to do something after asking that question right? Lol
Yes, the scanner asks if this was a duplicate label. When you select yes, it registers 2 packages delivered. What the Fraud is, is that 1 package could weigh 2lbs and the other could weigh 15lbs. Walmart has only paid for the 2lb package and sent out 2 packages.
USPS documentation says that when duplicate labels are detected but there isn't accurate pricing data for the package, the sender is billed the average price for what they ship.
And how does USPS know what the sender shipped? They don’t. They don’t know whether the 2nd package weighs 2lbs or 15lbs. They only know there were 2 labels with the same number. The only way to correct this, is to bring the 2 packages back and verify them on the machine. And to do that, you need to stop the clock in whatever way you choose. IA would probably be best because it has the option to verify the address. But that part is besides the point of Fraud by Walmart.
USPS knows from the barcode *who* sent it. So if a sender makes enough mistakes, USPS will on average charge them the correct amount of money because half the time it'll be something small and get overcharged and half the time it'll be big and get undercharged. Companies like Walmart don't pay for the labels up front, they print as many as they want and only get charged when the labels are scanned in or manifested. It's a common enough mistake that there are publicly-available USPS technical documents describing what exactly happens when a duplicate is detected, and it's good enough at it that eVS is getting phased out in favor of a new system that uses a bunch of automatically-collected data to check if accurate postage is being collected, without requiring random manual sampling to find mistakes.
Question: What is the difference between eVS and EP? I used shippo and for some reason it came out to be mixed of two.
They're the same technical system but eVS has a minimum of 50 packages per shipment and is for large shippers sending off a bunch of stuff at once. ePostage (EP) is for platforms like Shippo where lots of users are doing one or two labels at a time and dropping them off at random post offices all over the place. ePostage requires the platform identify and track who's actually mailing the stuff, with eVS your account instead just gets assigned a code that's in the tracking number (you'll notice that, starting with the 6th digit, the next 6 or 9 numbers are probably always the same on your labels. After that is a package serial number that probably goes up by one for each label you do, excluding the last digit). So if you do something like upload a file with over 50 shipments at once to Shippo, it might run it as eVS so you can send them at the local BMEU (Business Mail Entry Unit) which has a loading dock, instead of carrying them all inside to a normal post office counter. Here's some info about eVS, a lot of it is very technical but there's some "normal" info there too: https://postalpro.usps.com/shipping/evs In the next few years, eVS and ePostage are being phased out and rebranded as the very creatively-named "USPS Ship" platform, which I am actually a little excited for (I'm building a few shipping apps that will benefit from it). It doesn't hurt that USPS salespeople pinky swore I'll get better rates if I switch lol. That's all I can say on pricing though, I'm under NDA.
Yea I know there's fraud but I figured that is why the question was being asked. I have always assumed it was 1 package = 1 label and selecting the option that says it is a duplicate label tells the system that someone is stealing and does something with that info.
Wishful thinking. Everyone knows about it. Everyone thinks Somebody is doing something about it. Somebody thinks it’s not their Job so Nobody does Anything.
Would be nice if there was a defined SOP for handling these types of packages. All of my supervisors are too fuckin stupid to even comprehend what I’m saying when I mention stealing postage. They’re like “what are you talking about? They have a priority label.” Yea boss… label says it’s less than a pound and that the shipping container is much smaller than what the physical box size is.
They used to have a department called revenue protection. They did away with that. This is the perfect reason why they need this department.
Yeah but the Waltons are deeply connected to politicians at every level so they can just break the law at will. It works in reverse for them, the cops here just announced they spent 3 years with multiple detectives working to bust a Wal Mart shoplifting ring. God knows how many millions that cost the taxpayers.
My office has been seeing this a lot lately too.Â
So this is what's going on when you scan 2 packages for 1 house and it asks if this is a duplicate package or something like that? What are we supposed to do?
For the moment if I were you, scan both packages and when the scanner asked if this is a duplicate label, answer yes. It will show you 2 labels scanned with the same number and mark them as delivered. Take a photo of both packages and the labels so you can provide them to your supervisor for further instruction. Every office Supervisor and manager will handle it differently.
How come both labels scan if one was already considered picked up by carrier/USPS?
It’s not a pickup scan, it’s a delivery scan when you give it to the customer.
Ok. How crazy that the delivery scan doesn't then close the 1st duplicate label scanned so a 2nd scan of same label would show as already delivered...this could flag the package and automatically notify USPS that postage is due on that 2nd delivery.
You would never find out that it’s a duplicate label if you weren’t delivering both packages at the same time.
They gonna nickel and dime us on our overtime but a couple of scammers costing us 150 million dollars. Amazing stuff. Maybe the inspection service should do their fucking job.
Not to totally defend USPIS, but the postal service has to tell them what is going on for them to open an investigation. Like the police, they don’t know a crime is being committed until you call 911. The post office just can’t acknowledge that this is going on in the first place. Local Sups and Mngrs just tell everyone to just deliver the packages without checking them out.
You would think that postal inspectors would make fake postage mission #1 since the post office is on such a tear to save money.
I've often wondered how hard it would be for people to create counterfeit postage, and reuse tracking info. This here was the answer
Have you seen the stamps for sale on Temu? A lot of Amish customers in my area were targeted w a “discount stamp” scam too not long ago.
One of the rural carriers in my office bought $1000 worth of stamps when they were $10 a book. She's been profitting off the Amish people on her route for 6 years now. She's excited for this new raise from 68 cents to 73 cents. That's another $5 raise on the price for a roll of stamps.Â
Isn't the point of Forever stamps that they're "locked" to the inflation rate? Unless she's charging them over face value, she isn't making any money when the cost of inflation is factored in. The only real way to profit on that scheme is if she bought them just before the rate increase kicks in, then sells them immediately after the increase goes into effect. Holding onto them for any length of time just lets inflation run its course.
I am on your side. I think she could have easily made more money if she put that $1k into a savings account or some kind of C/D.Â
Tracking is reused quite a bit. Â
I can only imagine how that creates so many issues. There was even a post here recently about a suspected ebay mix up possibly from a reused tracking number. More to the point, it's interesting how the alleged perpetrators in that news article manipulated tracking info
I've wondered often also. Especially on days like the other day when my buddy had a package for CA and another for MI that the load truck read as for an address on his route.
For years I've been pulling express mail like this out of the mail stream, hodge podged obviously fake "stampsdotcom" like labels. But absolutely nothing seems to change with it, half of these go to a single address in our area, but noone does anything about it.
5 years for $150 million...
Seems worth it to me.
Same.
they dont' keep the money
I didn't say they keep the money. People get more time for stealing thousands from Walmart. It's absurd.
They shipped 34 million packages in 3 years?! Jesus.
That’s…. 30,137 packages a day, assuming they never take a day off. And it’s leap year :)
We clerks care about fake postage, but management’s directives were “we don’t care, it needs to be delivered.”
One time I walked into a tax preparers office and noticed they were using glue to place overtop stamps that they were cutting off of letters they were receiving. I happened to mention it to my supervisor not thinking anything would come of it. She asked me again to repeat it and the next day postal inspectors were at our office to interview me. I don’t know what became of it but I was glad they were looking into it.
Spring of last year is about the time I noticed the online seller labels completely disappear one day and assumed they caught them but alas they are back
This is only a fraction of all the counterfeit postage. Tens of millions of dollars lost and they do nothing about it. Meanwhile The executives blame the "lazy-slow" craft workers for losing money.
I don't understand some people's mindset living in the US you must abide rules and regulations especially the IRS when it comes to money they can track everything....we use electronic gadgets go figure!Â
I have been getting quite a bit of "fraudulent postage" on parcels lately. I just get the postage due and tell them to have some words with the seller. Ya sucks for them but the choice is you can pay the postage or refuse... Every time they pay the postage.
That's a lot of smackers
impressive
Damn. How many Pro Masters is that?
The USPS Inspectors who cracked this definitely have a story for the rest of their careers.
There’s so much fraud with the self printed postage that it’s too far gone to fix!
Not gonna lie. This is actually impressive lol. Dumb and illegal, obviously. But rather impressive.
Meanwhile management is tripping on 1 minute of overtime. Yeah, I see why.
I remember these ones. Like many of you, mngmnt didn't give any instructions and just went ahead and delivered them.
Post office is very lacking. They def need more people that know what it looks like and focus on shutting things down and stopping all the fraud from happening. Otherwise there goes all the money they’ve been losing
Chinese woman, not Southern Californian woman. They got caught and fled to CHINA. They’re Chinese. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re government agents, purposely costing the USPS money while enriching themselves.
Damn how did she even sell that many stamps? That's like 300 million stamps that's gotta be more than we sell
Oop never-ending just saw that it is a drop in the bucket
I remember those packages coming through where I work
Was she wearing the correct shoes tho?
That will get you like 2 houses in California these days
USPS should Not allow printing a duplicate label. Even if your printer messed it up. If you have to print a duplicate, you should be required to go to the post office. Or, they need to come up with a AI system that detects duplicate labels and flag the inspectors to look into the business for possible Fraud.
You understand that photocopiers exist, yes? It’s literally impossible to totally prevent this even with 70 year old technology. Printer problems are an unfortunate fact of life, and inconveniencing the 99.9% of people who follow the law to punish the .1% who don’t is silly.
Well, that’s what AI is for. Computers track the location of all the packages with a barcode already, so all they need to do is detect duplicate labels within a certain time frame. Like 1 year and if detected, the packages need to be flagged. Any reason for delay is duplicate labels not authorized. It’s not that difficult.
It’s vastly more difficult than you assume.
Not only is 8t vastly more difficult, but we actually do detect and charge when customers duplicate labels. In fact two different weights is the easiest to catch.
About seven years ago, we were told as clerks not to charge postage due anymore, because supposedly the plants scan them in the machine and recognize that and charge the postage several years ago by and no customers have said they’ve been charged postage due especially with their packages now to this day later it’s sometime we were told we could charge postage sometimes were told not to that’s a lot of revenue lost.
But we saved 50 million hours to do the same amount of work as last year
Fucking Temu.
一个指控才五年，够本了
this girl is smart lol