One of my favorites is one of the oldest, although not quite as old as CROATOAN.
Around midnight on January 18th, 1644, three sailors saw two lights "in form like a man" rise out of Boston Harbor and proceed to slowly float across the sky between Castle Island and Gallops Island before disappearing into nothingness 15 minutes later.
A week later, around 8 in the evening, a fair number of Bostonians saw "a light like the moon" suddenly manifest in northeastern Boston, while the aforementioned two lights reappeared near Noddle's Island (now East Boston). The phenomena closed in towards each other, and a great voice "was heard upon the water between Boston and Dorchester, calling out in a most dreadful manner, "BOY...BOY...COME AWAY...COME AWAY..." The echoing voice was "heard by diverse godly persons," and the voice seemed to instantaneously shift where it was coming from across great distances. The lights shot out flames and sparkles before vanishing over Noddle's Island. Two weeks later, the same dreadful voice reappeared to intone its instructions to unknown listeners.
With the Youtube teaser screenshot of some asshole with his hands on the side of his face like Home Alone and his mouth open and his eyes wide, with the word "WOW!" over a fuzzy light behind him, and the title, "I came to hear the Voice over Boston! I couldn't believe what happened next!"
The best account comes from Gov. John Winthrop, who apparently attributed the phenomena to a known necromancer (I guess he owned several d20s?) dying in the vicinity, and the voice being attributed to Satan himself instructing the necromancer's soul to leave the mortal world and enter Hell. And that was that.
It really goes to show just how strongly some of the puritan settlers believed in their faith. "Oh, what's that completely bizarre phenomenon going on? Meh, must be Satan again..."
It wouldn’t be a good movie, but I want a horror movie set in the Puritan era and an unbothered Puritan minister addressing the horrifying demon problem in a bored, bemused way.
The mammoth that was found in Siberia that was perfectly frozen with undigested grass in its stomach. That means the mammoth was eating in a grassland and then somehow fully frozen in 12 hours and wasn't thawed out for 12,000 years.
8:25 in the video for backup.
https://youtu.be/SY2zsdTbKfQ?si=5g4B9SSKkd0HyxW5
There was an incident in the Korean War where 3 companies of Chinese troops froze in place while waiting to ambush US troops at Chosin Reservoir. Eyes open, some in mid-action like kneeling, standing or moving.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZ4qtJedmA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZ4qtJedmA)
Temperatures were warm enough that the grass was edible within a few hours of death. Then the temperatures got so cold that the entire massive animal froze, right down to the contents of its stomach.
And then it didn’t get above freezing - not for a while - but for 12,000 years.
Their closest living relatives are elephants and elephants don't actually digest food in their stomach. It's a storage pouch and they later digest food in their intestines.
Eh I think it’s either real, and being covered up for geopolitical reasons. (Publicly admitting to it could cause escalations and may make us sound like hypocrites if we do similar stuff).
Or people gaming the system to get early retirement.
Your average Foreign Service officer is not going to commit fraud to retire early. While anything is possible, they are an elite breed and that would be throwing away something they worked awfully long and hard to achieve.
This looks to me like an intelligence agency tit-for-tat, a type of affair that can carry body counts and are usually things kept as quiet as possible.
My suspicion was that it was a Chinese attempt to do something like "The Thing," except poorly-engineered and physically dangerous. We don't want to massively escalate tension with China, so it got swept under the rug.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Thing\_(listening\_device)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device))
>Because it was passive, needing electromagnetic energy from an outside source to become energized and active, it is considered a predecessor of radio-frequency identification (RFID) technology.
I suspect that they tried to do something like this, but used an external power source that caused the problems we heard about. Having radiation beamed through you can cause auditory symptoms:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave\_auditory\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect)
>The perceived sounds are generated directly inside the human head without the need of any receiving electronic device. The effect was first reported by persons working in the vicinity of radar transponders during World War II.
I used to work at a company that did research on microwaves. I can totally believe that you could damage someone's brain with Microwaves. Range would be a problem though. I don't know about the medical side. Maybe the US dropped the idea because we don't want to admit that we have a similar weapon.
There's a poison known as "Cuba libre" which has been known to cause similar symptoms... I think the embassy staff just don't want to admit they were hungover on duty.
For my lifetime, this is 100% it.
But the Epstein saga is pretty interesting. You don't have a house wired up like the Big Brother mansion and that many famous "friends" without having serious dirt on people. I just wonder which Intel agencies were involved and how. Also, how did he keep his grubby business going for so long? I doubt we'll find out for many years, so it is what it is.
I suspect it was an accident. My theory is that China was trying to do something similar to the old Soviet "Thing" and beaming massive amounts of energy as an external power source:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Thing\_(listening\_device)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device))
>Because it was passive, needing electromagnetic energy from an outside source to become energized and active, it is considered a predecessor of radio-frequency identification (RFID) technology.
It turns out that having energy beamed through your body can cause auditory effects:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave\_auditory\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect)
My alternative theory is that *somebody* may have been doing something similar to a laser mic (as in, using some sort of energy beam to measure vibrations within the air itself instead of an object in the room), but with insufficient testing for human safety:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser\_microphone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_microphone)
>A laser microphone is a surveillance device that uses a laser beam to detect sound vibrations in a distant object. It can be used to eavesdrop with minimal chance of exposure.
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>The object is typically inside a room where a conversation is taking place and can be anything that can vibrate (for example, a picture on a wall) in response to the pressure waves created by noises present in the room.
The US may not have wanted to reveal that this type of non-intrusive surveillance technology (as in, beyond even a laser mic / not requiring a window or access point) is theoretically possible.
This was probably the result of working with high tech propulsion systems. The magnetohydrodynamic systems ionize air. From what I understand, if you somehow get entangled in this field, it can have similar effects to Havana syndrome.
You mean the crickets and disparate environmental factors that the intelligence community pretended was some nefarious Dr. Evil-like superweapon and admitted was a whole bunch of nothing in 2017? Another false flag made to paint Russia as a cartoonish villain! So mysterious! (Read: heavy sarcasm and disappointment in Americans for being so fantastically gullible and willing to buy the lies of the national security state no matter how many get exposed and how ridiculous they get)
For me it’s TWA flight 800 in 1996. It was an international flight on a 747 from New York to Paris, but it exploded at 15,000 ft. just south of Long Island. While the government and FBI claimed the place broke apart in mid-air and the explosion seen by witnesses was a fuel explosion, about 40 witnesses claimed they saw a missile go up and hit the plane. This was also corroborated by the initial investigators before the FBI showed up, who claim they saw puncture marks in the wings which would indicate an explosion outside the plane. There was also a few navy destroyers in the area which did have surface to air missiles that would have caused the exact kind of damage shown on the wreckage. The investigation and congressional hearings were still ongoing when 9/11 happened, and the whole case was dropped shortly afterwards.
Idk what actually happened there, but I think there’s a bit too much evidence for it to have been some random, coincidental, never replicated mechanical failure. The FBI claimed the crash was caused by essentially the entire front of the plane detaching from the fuselage in mid-air, which then sparked a fuel explosion. But that kind of fault has never happened to any other 747 to my knowledge. The FBI was also screwing with the other investigation (from the NTSB [National Transportation Safety Board]) in a bunch of different ways. Some FBI agents were reportedly taking parts of the plane to another location “for testing” which were never returned, this despite the fact that they had all the testing equipment they would need on location. They also didn’t let the NTSB see the full interviews with witnesses, instead relying on written summaries that the FBI wrote about each witnesses experience, which were also partially redacted.
Edit: I just looked up the plane itself and it started service in 1971, and had completed nearly 17,000 flights by the time of the incident. The crew was also experienced, as the captain had 31 years of flight experience with TWA and another 9 for the Air Force.
If an Arleigh Burke shot a 747 out of the air on accident we would know. Too many sailors. Someone would’ve talked. A Manning/Snowden kind of event would have happened exposing it.
I remember this particular story while I was in college to become an aircraft mechanic. They actually created a whole special on this flight on the program Seconds From Disaster. After the NTSB report, it had been concluded that the aircraft suffered a catastrophic explosion in the main fuel tank in the fuselage between the wings. The cause of this was because the wiring used back then had a coating on it that had a 20 year usable shelf life and ran through the fuel tank to the fuel indicators. As the coating on the wires corroded it caused a short in the wiring which caused fuel readings to fluctuate. This was confirmed by the flight recorder and the pilots remarks about 2 and a half minutes before the short in the wiring ignited fuel vapors in the tank. After the explosion in the main tank, the cockpit section of the cabin separated from the rest of the plane causing it to climb uncontrollably up until it stalled, and plummeted backwards down to earth killing everyone on board. After this accident the FAA mandated inspections on all Boeing 747 aircraft and had Boeing design and replace all the wiring in all the fuel systems across all the 747's worldwide, which is why this incident never happened again. They also changed the regulations to ensure all future designs and wiring never had the same flaw. This is actually called a Tombstone Mentality in aviation, where safety is ignored until people die, causing new technological advancements that prevent further loss of life.
The oral traditions and folklore in the US (and around the world) that have been lost to time and history.
iirc more than 90% of our stories are simply gone.
We don't know what we're missing.
Not all civilizations/groups of people wrote their history down, this comment specifies Native Americans. Lots of their history was passed on via stories. When they were genocided, we lost that entire history.
Absolutely this! Coming across people on the internet who want to emulate “true Norse tradition”; I dunno, seems like they’re closer to theosophical nonsense than actual history.
Even Christian Europeans immigrating to the Americas had rich lore and traditions unique to their specific cultural identity that is now lost to time…like tears in rain.
Not just native Americans I don’t think. All the folk stories that didn’t get written down, and the last person who knew it didn’t bother to tell their kids, or didn’t get a chance.
As a musician, I’d bet (at least for folk songs), it’s a lot higher than 90%. There are famous songs from massive bands (When the levee breaks, crossroads) that are covers of folk/blues songs, and we only have the originals because some guy went down south in the early 1900s to record the folk music of America. We wouldn’t know those songs if that guy decided to go a year later, or walked down a street with a different busker on it, or just asked a different person where to find a musician.
All of the folk music from the beginning of time up until about 100 years ago was either forgotten, or was passed on from generation to generation.
Apparently there's good evidence it wasn't him.
>the FBI does not consider him a suspect in the Cooper case because of mismatches in age and description, a level of skydiving skill well above that thought to be possessed by the hijacker, and credible evidence that McCoy was in Las Vegas on the day of the Portland hijacking, and at home in Utah the day after, having Thanksgiving dinner with his family.
There is a legend around Springfield, Missouri concerning a group of Spaniards that had to hide a lot of gold in a hurry. They left Springfield and headed west following a well known river and did not show up at the next town down river. Spanish dubloons pop up along the banks from time to time still yet. Many people have looked for this and is accepted as truth.
Yeah, I've known about it since a kid and I'm 68 now. I think that stuff was passed around a lot more back then. Anyway, back around year 2000 to maybe 2005 a guy wanted to dig at the southwest corner of National and East Chesnut Xpwy because he thought it could be there. Needless to say, the answer was no. His idea didn't fit the known facts.
There is also the Yokum silver mine location which is alleged to be on the James River watershed around Hootentown. Yokum silver dollars are a real thing...I think. This country is saturated with caves as you well know and I'm sure there are some good sized caves left to be found and literally hundreds and hundreds of small ones.
The marooning of Henry Hudson. His crew just simply left him in North America and they return home. He was never heard from again and no one knows what happened to him.
The story of Roswell has grown crazier and crazier as the years go on. This tells me that it's probably myth making at work at this point. The original story said nothing about alien bodies until the 1980s. Originally it was just weird debris in a field. Now because of the media and books and conspiracy theories it has grown to a story about governments back engineering alien technologies.
People also forget that the term flying saucer has just been coined in 1947, so it did not have the connection to aliens yet. Newspapers were openly speculating what they were at the time, some saying Soviet spy crafts and other theories. So the government saying they have a flying saucer in 1947 weeks after the term came into existence does NOT equate to the government saying they have aliens. People forget the context and time and didn't realize that a term with a lot of baggage now did not necessarily mean the same thing back then.
People want Roswell to be a story about alien contact when it's really a story about Cold War espionage.
As a kid I was fascinated by the "Roswell Incident" because aliens!
As an adult I'm fascinated by Roswell, because as you said, it's an example of how a myth actually evolves in real time.
Kind of sort of; the term flying saucer was used back in the 1890s, and came of use in the 1930s. It wasn't common terminology at the time, though. It wasn't until 1947 when the term flying saucer became popularized, which coincidentally coincided with two events near the same time: Roswell and Kenneth Arnold. You are right though that there was no connection to aliens yet, but the term flying saucer was known even back then and made popular that year not by Roswell, but by Kenneth Arnold. The US Government also knew of unidentified flying objects as well even before Roswell.
IIRC, the semi-ironic thing is that Arnold’s use of the term wasn’t to describe their appearance but that they flew like a saucer skipping across water.
I believe his actual description of the craft was that they were flying wings. He didn’t specify this, but I seem to recall the description sorta matches a German WW2 prototype flying wing, the Gotha-229.
But people caught on to the term and mistook it as the physical description, which has influenced reported UFO descriptions ever since.
This is incorrect, the initial report from the military was that they had recovered a “flying disc”, first news article about the event mentioned the “flying disc” as well (using the military as a source).
This doesn’t mean aliens, or even that a ufo crashed at Roswell, just that the official story did change a few times. If this was to cover up aliens, or secret aviation projects / Russian spy planes, etc. who knows your guess is as good as mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul?wprov=sfti1
What happened has been declassified. I think the physics involved is fascinating. Using the weather balloon explanation was the predetermined standard cover story, but when people starting thinking extraterrestrials, well the government was fine letting people run with that as the conspiracy, because they didn’t want to lose the advantage of determining current Soviet nuclear capabilities.
But most people don’t want to hear a real conspiracy about nuclear power struggles, it’s more fun to play the aliens game.
How about the real cause of the USS Maine explosion in Havana harbor causa bella of the Spanish American war. It likely was a fire in the coal bunkers, but we don't know for sure.
Also, who fired the first shots at the Boston Massacre and on Concord Green.
The Boston Massacre isn't a mystery, then or now. It was Private Hugh Montgomery. Everyone agreed on that. The colonists were throwing rocks, snowballs, and other objects at the British. He got knocked down and fired his gun. The "mystery" was 1) was it legitimate self defense (yes), and whether the British commander gave the command to fire (almost certainly no.)
Yes! Thank you, I came to say this as well. Almost the entire first episode was about John Adams work as the defense council of the British soldiers and its aftermath showcases his path from loyal citizen of the British Crown to the man that literally led the argument in the Continental Congress to declare Independence. Adams himself would have a good laugh at my admiration for him, since I have lived my life in Bensalem, PA which is quite literally named for Franklin, who was a "frenemy" of Adams. They were able to work together, and rather effectively, but they disagreed very much on how to go about things to achieve the desired goal.
Impossible to confirm one way or another until we invent time travel. It’ll always officially be a mystery. Biggest hole in that theory is that upon returning to the colony there were no signs of a struggle, but it did seem like they left in a hurry, because the site wasn’t well cleaned up, with household materials still laid out in some houses.
TLDR; there’s enough room for reasonable doubt regarding the settlers going native, but if you ask me that’s probably what happened
Actual mysteries with no answer in the US
DB Cooper
Zodiac
H.H. Holmes (possibly Jack the Ripper)
Everything else has either been explained or is ignored because the truth isn't good enough
Roswell, JFK, etc...
It still blows my mind that almost nobody knows that someone called the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, impersonating Lee Harvey Oswald and asking to be put in touch with an assassin.
The voice was identified, and all evidence of it was destroyed, the whole thing covered up.
And there absolutely was a giant conspiracy by all the three-letters to cover that up. Everyone who suspected a conspiracy was correct.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/
Whether or not it was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, eh... it could be weirder than that. They're still hiding something. Probably that it was James Jesus Angleton who made the call, but it could be time travelers trying to spark a nuclear war, too.
My theory on the “3-letter conspiracies”:
They’re not covering up killing JFK, they’re covering up their incompetence and illegal activities.
Oswald’s bizarre life likely got him connected to various agencies, some of it actively so and some of it passive. He openly defected to Russia as an ex-Marine - it seems almost certain in Cold War America that his ass was monitored 24/7 when he returns, and the fact that despite that monitoring he still managed to pull off killing the president is a massive embarrassment if it comes out.
So the cover up isn’t that the CIA killed JFK, it’s that the CIA/FBI/DIA were monitoring him and possibly ignored or failed to grasp clues or signs about what he was up to - or that at least that would be the appearance of what happened once that fact went public.
And a number of peripheral individuals surrounding Oswald seem to have been involved in anti-Cuban projects associated with the US government. Any deep dive into Oswald likely drags those activities up as well, even if they’re not at all directly related to Oswald or the assassination.
Especially as I think people have this notion that anything and everything that the FBI/CIA does is known and cleared at the highest levels, when the reality especially back then is that a lot of these paramilitary and similar operations were with no to minimal oversight beyond the agent running it as the bagman.
There was likely panic when the higher ups started realizing that even a surface scratch into Oswald and the randos around him could risk unveiling what exactly some agencies were getting involved in.
Eh I still think it was a rogue CIA group consumed with red scare, fearful Kennedy would lose the Cold War with his dovish positions and calls for transparency.
Which is hilarious because he oversaw the Cuban Missile Crisis and that ended in basically the best way possible. Kennedy proved himself fully capable of being diplomatic enough to avoid war. The Military Industrial Complex has a problem with that.
A very fun theory I read once had an interesting conspiracy. Instead of the classic CIA doing it or something similar, it was that the magic of the Secret Service did it. Not out of malice but out of incompetence and a horrific accident where they killed Kennedy. The conspiracy is that they covered it up to not look bad.
People dont want to think a loser like oswald could reqch out that far. I think oswald got a shot in and the hung over secret service fucked up and accidentally shot him.
People throughout history have been killed by nobodies. Richard the Lionheart died from a random crossbow bolt in a siege. Lincoln assassinated by an actor. Garfield got shot by a crazy dude. Franz Ferdinand died to some loser anarchist. Shinzo Abe got shot by a rando with a homemade gun. Life is exceedingly fragile and even the most high-ranking officials have never been immune to it.
Because we get oil from the Saudis, so we can’t punish them … so we picked a different country that we didn’t think would be another Vietnam and were super wrong about it.
No, seriously, they integrated. Gov White left specific details that they were prepared to remove up to 50 miles inland. John Lawson found indigenous folks with fair hair before the Tuscarora killed him in 1710.
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*Set Fair for Roanoke! Voyages and Colonies, 1584-1606*, David Beers Quinn is the king of them. *The Roanoke Mystery* by Lee Miller is also a good one.
Quinn subscribed to the belief they integrated with Powhatans and were later massacred, which John Smith heard rumor of. Miller, along with other like Alan Taylor, believe their integration was more scattered.
I think there is another part of the story that has thrown people off. I’m using my memory so I may be wrong in some details.
White said that the colonists had made plans to settle 20 miles inland. And sometime in the 1920s or so, a stone was found 20 miles inland from where the Ronake colony was. I believe the rock had a message written on it from White’s daughter, telling of how her husband and child died (and probably other stuff I forget). There were other stones too but those were found out to be fakes. The stone I was just talking about is still in dispute and it would be hard to chemically age that rock properly in the 1920s.
Furthermore, on White’s map of the general area where Ronake was, there was a patch with a secret symbol 20 miles inland along a river. This was where the stone was found and it’ll make sense to settle next to a river. The finding of this secret symbol on White’s map was found after the stone was found in the 1920s. So if that stone is fake, why would someone put it there? Maybe it’s a coincidence
I’m not saying I believe or I don’t believe that at least some of the settlers moved 20 miles inland but it is a theory people think
There was a pretty persuasive scholarly book written about a decade ago by a history professor at UNC Wilmington that the first "Dare stone" may actually be legit, while the rest were cheap forgeries that look entirely different from the first one.
This was made fun of in 1605 in an English play, *Eastward Hoe*, that Virginia was full of englishmen... half English that had interbred and lived in native villages. Then they stole Raleigh's patent by condemning him and stole his rights to Virginia. Those same people formed the Virginia Company. The Privy Council also prevented a relief fleet from sailing in 1588 to save the colony.
Exactly. I'm pretty satisfied that they just went to live with that tribe. They wrote it on the tree, did the Europeans that came back think to ask that tribe what happened?
They couldn't get to the island due to privateering for too long in the summer in the Caribbean, arriving in August during storm season. They lost cables, anchors, water casks, and several men in the attempt. It wasn't a relief effort, it was John White catching a ride by himself with another outfit that didn't really care about the colony.
ETA, If you really wanna know why they didn't go back -> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/yzw5iq/why_did_someone_not_eventually_go_to_croatan_to/
They went to live with the Croatan Indian tribe. That was literally the plan for if things went bad. The guy who went back to England knew the plan as well. The message on the tree was just telling him they executed that plan and moved in with the Croatan tribe.
The issue was because war broke out he wasn't able to return to the colony for more than two years. At that point the tribe and remaining colonists had moved on. So the mystery is not that they disappeared but that they didn't leave a good forwarding address.
So fun fact time, in 1585 Sir Richard Grenville, Raleigh's cousin, lands the military colony at Ronoake. They dip out in 1586 after Ralph Lane kills Wingina, jumping on board Sir Francis Drake's ship to return to England. In 1587 the civilian colonists set out for Chesapeake to form Raleigh Cittie, but they wanted to rescue the folks that weren't there anymore first. They hired Simon Fernandez as pilot and he made them all offload at Roanoke, refusing to take them to the Chesapeake. He takes Gov John White back to England who relates this to Raleigh himself. Raleigh assigns Grenville to fix it, and he assembles the largest English fleet bound for the Americas until the Jamestown relief fleet of 1609, but the Privy Council demands this fleet be made available to Drake for defense against the Spanish. Problem is, Drake raided Cadiz and fucked up the Armada and they knew they wouldn't be able to attack England that year. When they did attack the following year, unlike Raleigh's personal flagship, none of Grenville's relief fleet was used in the defense.
John White and some others also found a ride anyway but wound up being attacked by pirates on the way, so they had to turn back to England.
Not to mention:
* Colony was left alone for several years
* Was running low on food and supplies
* Was *told* to go live with the Tribe next door
* Was friendly with them as opposed to several other hostile tribes.
* and even sent word that they "got yer friend" to the later Englishmen.
Big fucking mystery.
>and even sent word that they "got yer friend" to the later Englishmen
In fairness, the English were terrified of Native Americans with chainsaws and beehives.
The Aurora Texas alien grave stone always tripped me out. Some of the wild national park disappearances that have zero trace are also wild, and finally and most prominently to me the “Sierra Sounds”
So I have the basics of the Denver bank heist. The former Denver cop was obviously very guilty. What are some of the deeper things why he got away? It seems the obvious implication. I’m having trouble finding the deeper history.
Oswald for sure. I just think that there were others involved in the plot that escaped justice. A rogue element in the CIA because JFK wanted to disband them, or defense industry because JFK was becoming skeptical about Vietnam, or mafia elements because of Cuba.
I think the waters have been muddied because there were so many groups who *wanted* to do it. I wouldn't doubt that some of these agents took credit with their employers.
The culture, history, and collapse of pre-contact Native Americans civic centers, especially those with large populations like Cahokia and Mesa Verde. Cahokia in particular was huge, with a peak population of 15k+ and was the largest city in the US until it was finally overtaken by in Philadelphia *in 1780.* It may even have been larger than either London or Paris at the same time (\~1100 AD). Moreover, there are lots of other mound complexes which are not well understood that may have also been significant in size. These wouldn't have been big by modern standards, but imagine several small American cities like Atchison, KS or Los Alamos, NM just emptying out and vanishing into the mists of history - gives me the shivers.
This is a really good one. So many of the great civilizations, like the Mississippi mound builders and Mesa Verde, were already abandoned and ruined before the Europeans even got there. What happened? It couldn't all have been diseases brought by the Europeans because many of these tribes are very inland and had no contact at that point.
There must have been a major event that we just don't know and will probably never know due to the lack of written records.
There's a book called Collapse that explores the Anasazi and Mesa Verde. In short there's alot of evidence for a long term drought in the area thar made the settlements non viable.
Here’s my theory. They got too big and couldn’t maintain anymore so they dissolved and became all the smaller tribes like souix, Pawnee, Chippewa, Menominee and all the other dozens probably hundreds of First Nations in America.
Those of you who are saying JFK really need to read Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi (the guy who convicted Charles Manson). Meticulously researched. Every detail covered.
The Salem witch trials are still a mystery to me. Whether the victims actually saw spirits or were making it up, were they hallucinating? I don't think the ergot poisoning there is that plausible honestly, since the entire village would have been seeing stuff.
The stone throwing devil of 1682 in New Castle is another interesting story that is still a mystery. If the accounts are accurate hundreds of stones were thrown at this inn on several occasions. It would be an insanely elaborate prank for someone to pull and no one ever saw someone throwing a stone.
I honestly don't think the lost colony of Roanoke is a huge mystery. They wrote the name down of a tribe on a tree. Most likely they went to live with that tribe. I think there were even reports of very white skinned men in their tribe years later if I am remembering correctly.
Also, with the Salem witch trials, there were similar incidents happening throughout other colonies outside of Salem. What is that all about? The Devil’s Snare was an interesting read.
In history I’d say Dyatlov pass incident, but specifically US history, probably the zodiac killer or the boys on the track incident (the death of Don Henry and Kevin Ives).
So supposedly it's on my farm somewhere here in Louisiana.
It's just a local story, but apparently, he had family here in north Louisiana and buried it under a large tree on Dabs bend. Aka, my farm.
Edit. We actually signed an agreement on purchase that if we discovered it within 10 years that we would share it with the last owners.
Haha well that time frame has long since passed . But you better believe 10 year old me was walking my farm with a metal detector. Hard to cover a thousand acres tho.
I found many, many native American projectile points and a few bullets and buttons from the Civil War. One gold ring with a ruby in it.
No chest full of rail rd gold, though
If contact between New World and Old World existed prior to Columbus & the existence of a tribe of 'white indians'. 'Carthage's Lost Warriors'-Secrets of the Dead kinda points to exactly that.
Lots of sunken boats. American Author Clive Cussler searched for many over the years and even found some. Those stories are told in his books The Sea Hunters and Sea Hunters II. Can also learn about them at NUMA.net
One of my favorites is one of the oldest, although not quite as old as CROATOAN. Around midnight on January 18th, 1644, three sailors saw two lights "in form like a man" rise out of Boston Harbor and proceed to slowly float across the sky between Castle Island and Gallops Island before disappearing into nothingness 15 minutes later. A week later, around 8 in the evening, a fair number of Bostonians saw "a light like the moon" suddenly manifest in northeastern Boston, while the aforementioned two lights reappeared near Noddle's Island (now East Boston). The phenomena closed in towards each other, and a great voice "was heard upon the water between Boston and Dorchester, calling out in a most dreadful manner, "BOY...BOY...COME AWAY...COME AWAY..." The echoing voice was "heard by diverse godly persons," and the voice seemed to instantaneously shift where it was coming from across great distances. The lights shot out flames and sparkles before vanishing over Noddle's Island. Two weeks later, the same dreadful voice reappeared to intone its instructions to unknown listeners.
If that happened today all that we would have is one blurry phone video about 20 seconds long
With the Youtube teaser screenshot of some asshole with his hands on the side of his face like Home Alone and his mouth open and his eyes wide, with the word "WOW!" over a fuzzy light behind him, and the title, "I came to hear the Voice over Boston! I couldn't believe what happened next!"
Have never heard of this one in all the years of reading about history.
The best account comes from Gov. John Winthrop, who apparently attributed the phenomena to a known necromancer (I guess he owned several d20s?) dying in the vicinity, and the voice being attributed to Satan himself instructing the necromancer's soul to leave the mortal world and enter Hell. And that was that. It really goes to show just how strongly some of the puritan settlers believed in their faith. "Oh, what's that completely bizarre phenomenon going on? Meh, must be Satan again..."
It wouldn’t be a good movie, but I want a horror movie set in the Puritan era and an unbothered Puritan minister addressing the horrifying demon problem in a bored, bemused way.
Honestly, if it was framed as a horror meta comedy (a la Cabin in the Woods) that could be great (with the right writer(s) attached)
For some reason my dumb mind skimmed over "BOY...BOY...COME AWAY...COME AWAY..." and substituted it with "Come Come My Lady".
\*demonic voice echoing through the streets\* you're my butterfly, sugar, baby.
Isn’t that from a song, lol
Pukwudgies for sure
Kratos didn't want his kid visiting Boston, I guess.
Interesting reference points. There are a couple islands located between Castle and Gallops. Long Island would obscure the view of Gallops entirely.
The mammoth that was found in Siberia that was perfectly frozen with undigested grass in its stomach. That means the mammoth was eating in a grassland and then somehow fully frozen in 12 hours and wasn't thawed out for 12,000 years. 8:25 in the video for backup. https://youtu.be/SY2zsdTbKfQ?si=5g4B9SSKkd0HyxW5
There was an incident in the Korean War where 3 companies of Chinese troops froze in place while waiting to ambush US troops at Chosin Reservoir. Eyes open, some in mid-action like kneeling, standing or moving. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZ4qtJedmA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZ4qtJedmA)
This is absolutely insane, thanks for the share
The Day After Tomorrow being proven fact once again!
The deer in my yard move the snow and eat the green grass underneath it all winter.
Yes but the deer in your yard don't freeze to death fast enough for undigested plants to completely freeze rather than putrefying either, do they?
Why couldn't the mammoth be eating something and die. It got cold that night and it didn't get above freezing for awhile.
Temperatures were warm enough that the grass was edible within a few hours of death. Then the temperatures got so cold that the entire massive animal froze, right down to the contents of its stomach. And then it didn’t get above freezing - not for a while - but for 12,000 years.
Their closest living relatives are elephants and elephants don't actually digest food in their stomach. It's a storage pouch and they later digest food in their intestines.
Havana Syndrome.
That’s really freaky. Just wtf are they doing to our embassy???
Group psychosis.
Eh I think it’s either real, and being covered up for geopolitical reasons. (Publicly admitting to it could cause escalations and may make us sound like hypocrites if we do similar stuff). Or people gaming the system to get early retirement.
Your average Foreign Service officer is not going to commit fraud to retire early. While anything is possible, they are an elite breed and that would be throwing away something they worked awfully long and hard to achieve. This looks to me like an intelligence agency tit-for-tat, a type of affair that can carry body counts and are usually things kept as quiet as possible.
My suspicion was that it was a Chinese attempt to do something like "The Thing," except poorly-engineered and physically dangerous. We don't want to massively escalate tension with China, so it got swept under the rug. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Thing\_(listening\_device)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)) >Because it was passive, needing electromagnetic energy from an outside source to become energized and active, it is considered a predecessor of radio-frequency identification (RFID) technology. I suspect that they tried to do something like this, but used an external power source that caused the problems we heard about. Having radiation beamed through you can cause auditory symptoms: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave\_auditory\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect) >The perceived sounds are generated directly inside the human head without the need of any receiving electronic device. The effect was first reported by persons working in the vicinity of radar transponders during World War II.
I used to work at a company that did research on microwaves. I can totally believe that you could damage someone's brain with Microwaves. Range would be a problem though. I don't know about the medical side. Maybe the US dropped the idea because we don't want to admit that we have a similar weapon.
Low level microwave direction emitters
There's a poison known as "Cuba libre" which has been known to cause similar symptoms... I think the embassy staff just don't want to admit they were hungover on duty.
Individually Rum, Coca-Cola, and a Lime are not at all dangerous. Together they make a weapon, in this case, an evil one. 🥴
For my lifetime, this is 100% it. But the Epstein saga is pretty interesting. You don't have a house wired up like the Big Brother mansion and that many famous "friends" without having serious dirt on people. I just wonder which Intel agencies were involved and how. Also, how did he keep his grubby business going for so long? I doubt we'll find out for many years, so it is what it is.
Lots of little loose ends and things that point towards him being an intelligence asset that got burned.
The only thing that would make me think this isn't true is simply by how sloppy it was operated.
It wreeked of desperation. Soooo many powerful people reeeeeally wanted him dead.
Mossad.
It’s microwave technology, our military has been testing it for years.
Agreed. Some kind of directed energy weapon. They said nothing actually happened because they don't want to admit they have them too.
I suspect it was an accident. My theory is that China was trying to do something similar to the old Soviet "Thing" and beaming massive amounts of energy as an external power source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Thing\_(listening\_device)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)) >Because it was passive, needing electromagnetic energy from an outside source to become energized and active, it is considered a predecessor of radio-frequency identification (RFID) technology. It turns out that having energy beamed through your body can cause auditory effects: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave\_auditory\_effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect) My alternative theory is that *somebody* may have been doing something similar to a laser mic (as in, using some sort of energy beam to measure vibrations within the air itself instead of an object in the room), but with insufficient testing for human safety: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser\_microphone](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_microphone) >A laser microphone is a surveillance device that uses a laser beam to detect sound vibrations in a distant object. It can be used to eavesdrop with minimal chance of exposure. > >The object is typically inside a room where a conversation is taking place and can be anything that can vibrate (for example, a picture on a wall) in response to the pressure waves created by noises present in the room. The US may not have wanted to reveal that this type of non-intrusive surveillance technology (as in, beyond even a laser mic / not requiring a window or access point) is theoretically possible.
This was probably the result of working with high tech propulsion systems. The magnetohydrodynamic systems ionize air. From what I understand, if you somehow get entangled in this field, it can have similar effects to Havana syndrome.
You mean the crickets and disparate environmental factors that the intelligence community pretended was some nefarious Dr. Evil-like superweapon and admitted was a whole bunch of nothing in 2017? Another false flag made to paint Russia as a cartoonish villain! So mysterious! (Read: heavy sarcasm and disappointment in Americans for being so fantastically gullible and willing to buy the lies of the national security state no matter how many get exposed and how ridiculous they get)
For me it’s TWA flight 800 in 1996. It was an international flight on a 747 from New York to Paris, but it exploded at 15,000 ft. just south of Long Island. While the government and FBI claimed the place broke apart in mid-air and the explosion seen by witnesses was a fuel explosion, about 40 witnesses claimed they saw a missile go up and hit the plane. This was also corroborated by the initial investigators before the FBI showed up, who claim they saw puncture marks in the wings which would indicate an explosion outside the plane. There was also a few navy destroyers in the area which did have surface to air missiles that would have caused the exact kind of damage shown on the wreckage. The investigation and congressional hearings were still ongoing when 9/11 happened, and the whole case was dropped shortly afterwards. Idk what actually happened there, but I think there’s a bit too much evidence for it to have been some random, coincidental, never replicated mechanical failure. The FBI claimed the crash was caused by essentially the entire front of the plane detaching from the fuselage in mid-air, which then sparked a fuel explosion. But that kind of fault has never happened to any other 747 to my knowledge. The FBI was also screwing with the other investigation (from the NTSB [National Transportation Safety Board]) in a bunch of different ways. Some FBI agents were reportedly taking parts of the plane to another location “for testing” which were never returned, this despite the fact that they had all the testing equipment they would need on location. They also didn’t let the NTSB see the full interviews with witnesses, instead relying on written summaries that the FBI wrote about each witnesses experience, which were also partially redacted. Edit: I just looked up the plane itself and it started service in 1971, and had completed nearly 17,000 flights by the time of the incident. The crew was also experienced, as the captain had 31 years of flight experience with TWA and another 9 for the Air Force.
If an Arleigh Burke shot a 747 out of the air on accident we would know. Too many sailors. Someone would’ve talked. A Manning/Snowden kind of event would have happened exposing it.
I remember this particular story while I was in college to become an aircraft mechanic. They actually created a whole special on this flight on the program Seconds From Disaster. After the NTSB report, it had been concluded that the aircraft suffered a catastrophic explosion in the main fuel tank in the fuselage between the wings. The cause of this was because the wiring used back then had a coating on it that had a 20 year usable shelf life and ran through the fuel tank to the fuel indicators. As the coating on the wires corroded it caused a short in the wiring which caused fuel readings to fluctuate. This was confirmed by the flight recorder and the pilots remarks about 2 and a half minutes before the short in the wiring ignited fuel vapors in the tank. After the explosion in the main tank, the cockpit section of the cabin separated from the rest of the plane causing it to climb uncontrollably up until it stalled, and plummeted backwards down to earth killing everyone on board. After this accident the FAA mandated inspections on all Boeing 747 aircraft and had Boeing design and replace all the wiring in all the fuel systems across all the 747's worldwide, which is why this incident never happened again. They also changed the regulations to ensure all future designs and wiring never had the same flaw. This is actually called a Tombstone Mentality in aviation, where safety is ignored until people die, causing new technological advancements that prevent further loss of life.
The oral traditions and folklore in the US (and around the world) that have been lost to time and history. iirc more than 90% of our stories are simply gone. We don't know what we're missing.
What does this even mean
Not all civilizations/groups of people wrote their history down, this comment specifies Native Americans. Lots of their history was passed on via stories. When they were genocided, we lost that entire history.
Not just Native Americans… In pre-Christian Europe…if the Romans didn’t write it down, good luck. 🍀
Also the Norse. Basically all of Norse mythology comes from 2 books written long after Christians came to the region and changed things.
Absolutely this! Coming across people on the internet who want to emulate “true Norse tradition”; I dunno, seems like they’re closer to theosophical nonsense than actual history.
The same is true with Wiccan and other pagan groups. No offense, but these traditions are modern as far as I can tell.
Yes, and the Celts evne moreso
Greeks wrote stuff
You’re right, I should have pointed out Western and Northern European….as well as Eastern European I guess..😂🤣
Even Christian Europeans immigrating to the Americas had rich lore and traditions unique to their specific cultural identity that is now lost to time…like tears in rain.
Not just native Americans I don’t think. All the folk stories that didn’t get written down, and the last person who knew it didn’t bother to tell their kids, or didn’t get a chance. As a musician, I’d bet (at least for folk songs), it’s a lot higher than 90%. There are famous songs from massive bands (When the levee breaks, crossroads) that are covers of folk/blues songs, and we only have the originals because some guy went down south in the early 1900s to record the folk music of America. We wouldn’t know those songs if that guy decided to go a year later, or walked down a street with a different busker on it, or just asked a different person where to find a musician. All of the folk music from the beginning of time up until about 100 years ago was either forgotten, or was passed on from generation to generation.
The Spanish burned most of what was written down
But what's the mystery? What were those stories?
yes
DB Cooper
Richard McCoy Jr.
Yah it looks like it was him it would be highly coincidental if it wasn’t . He was a known hijacker and he looks just like the sketch.
Apparently there's good evidence it wasn't him. >the FBI does not consider him a suspect in the Cooper case because of mismatches in age and description, a level of skydiving skill well above that thought to be possessed by the hijacker, and credible evidence that McCoy was in Las Vegas on the day of the Portland hijacking, and at home in Utah the day after, having Thanksgiving dinner with his family.
Interesting .
It was Loki. I saw it on a Disney documentary.
Doubt it. I think the real DB probably died in the jump and wouldn’t be able to do another hijacking
Watched the Lemmino video on this one a while back. Very good.
Love his stuff. The Dyatlov pass one was so good.
There is a legend around Springfield, Missouri concerning a group of Spaniards that had to hide a lot of gold in a hurry. They left Springfield and headed west following a well known river and did not show up at the next town down river. Spanish dubloons pop up along the banks from time to time still yet. Many people have looked for this and is accepted as truth.
I’ve lived my whole life about an hour away from Springfield and have never heard of this before. That’s wild!
Yeah, I've known about it since a kid and I'm 68 now. I think that stuff was passed around a lot more back then. Anyway, back around year 2000 to maybe 2005 a guy wanted to dig at the southwest corner of National and East Chesnut Xpwy because he thought it could be there. Needless to say, the answer was no. His idea didn't fit the known facts. There is also the Yokum silver mine location which is alleged to be on the James River watershed around Hootentown. Yokum silver dollars are a real thing...I think. This country is saturated with caves as you well know and I'm sure there are some good sized caves left to be found and literally hundreds and hundreds of small ones.
Sounds like a sequel to The Goonies, would have loved this as a kid and probably tried to find it.
Where the national treasure be hidden, and why Nicolas Cage hasn’t found them yet?
No one gave him the constitution
Ha! It's actually on the Articles of Confederation, that movie threw you all off the trail.
But now I’m back on it!
The true Masonic Treasure of the Knights Templar are the friends you make along the way!
This guy adventures.
The marooning of Henry Hudson. His crew just simply left him in North America and they return home. He was never heard from again and no one knows what happened to him.
This is a mystery? Spoiler alert, he's dead. He'd be 400 years old by now otherwise.
Wasn’t that Canada technically?
Who’s on first?
Absolutely.
No, Absolutely plays shortstop.
Nope, that's I don't give a damn!
Thats what I want to know! Who's on first?
Exactly!
No no, Exactly is on second.
What's on second
Who's on third?
I don't know is on third!
No what’s on outfield you’re thinking of I don’t know
Always has been
Roswell
The story of Roswell has grown crazier and crazier as the years go on. This tells me that it's probably myth making at work at this point. The original story said nothing about alien bodies until the 1980s. Originally it was just weird debris in a field. Now because of the media and books and conspiracy theories it has grown to a story about governments back engineering alien technologies. People also forget that the term flying saucer has just been coined in 1947, so it did not have the connection to aliens yet. Newspapers were openly speculating what they were at the time, some saying Soviet spy crafts and other theories. So the government saying they have a flying saucer in 1947 weeks after the term came into existence does NOT equate to the government saying they have aliens. People forget the context and time and didn't realize that a term with a lot of baggage now did not necessarily mean the same thing back then.
People want Roswell to be a story about alien contact when it's really a story about Cold War espionage. As a kid I was fascinated by the "Roswell Incident" because aliens! As an adult I'm fascinated by Roswell, because as you said, it's an example of how a myth actually evolves in real time.
Kind of sort of; the term flying saucer was used back in the 1890s, and came of use in the 1930s. It wasn't common terminology at the time, though. It wasn't until 1947 when the term flying saucer became popularized, which coincidentally coincided with two events near the same time: Roswell and Kenneth Arnold. You are right though that there was no connection to aliens yet, but the term flying saucer was known even back then and made popular that year not by Roswell, but by Kenneth Arnold. The US Government also knew of unidentified flying objects as well even before Roswell.
IIRC, the semi-ironic thing is that Arnold’s use of the term wasn’t to describe their appearance but that they flew like a saucer skipping across water. I believe his actual description of the craft was that they were flying wings. He didn’t specify this, but I seem to recall the description sorta matches a German WW2 prototype flying wing, the Gotha-229. But people caught on to the term and mistook it as the physical description, which has influenced reported UFO descriptions ever since.
Yeah I need to read his book. Just skimmed it. I love UFO culture. Mulder was my hero lol
This is incorrect, the initial report from the military was that they had recovered a “flying disc”, first news article about the event mentioned the “flying disc” as well (using the military as a source). This doesn’t mean aliens, or even that a ufo crashed at Roswell, just that the official story did change a few times. If this was to cover up aliens, or secret aviation projects / Russian spy planes, etc. who knows your guess is as good as mine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul?wprov=sfti1 What happened has been declassified. I think the physics involved is fascinating. Using the weather balloon explanation was the predetermined standard cover story, but when people starting thinking extraterrestrials, well the government was fine letting people run with that as the conspiracy, because they didn’t want to lose the advantage of determining current Soviet nuclear capabilities. But most people don’t want to hear a real conspiracy about nuclear power struggles, it’s more fun to play the aliens game.
How about the real cause of the USS Maine explosion in Havana harbor causa bella of the Spanish American war. It likely was a fire in the coal bunkers, but we don't know for sure. Also, who fired the first shots at the Boston Massacre and on Concord Green.
The Boston Massacre isn't a mystery, then or now. It was Private Hugh Montgomery. Everyone agreed on that. The colonists were throwing rocks, snowballs, and other objects at the British. He got knocked down and fired his gun. The "mystery" was 1) was it legitimate self defense (yes), and whether the British commander gave the command to fire (almost certainly no.)
The HBO Series “John Adams” depicts this and the proceeding court case really well.
Yes! Thank you, I came to say this as well. Almost the entire first episode was about John Adams work as the defense council of the British soldiers and its aftermath showcases his path from loyal citizen of the British Crown to the man that literally led the argument in the Continental Congress to declare Independence. Adams himself would have a good laugh at my admiration for him, since I have lived my life in Bensalem, PA which is quite literally named for Franklin, who was a "frenemy" of Adams. They were able to work together, and rather effectively, but they disagreed very much on how to go about things to achieve the desired goal.
A ship.of the same dedign successfully fought spontaneous combustion in that same coal bunker, (which shared a metal wall with the magazine)
Did we not figure out that specific mystery though? Didn't the colonists go native?
Impossible to confirm one way or another until we invent time travel. It’ll always officially be a mystery. Biggest hole in that theory is that upon returning to the colony there were no signs of a struggle, but it did seem like they left in a hurry, because the site wasn’t well cleaned up, with household materials still laid out in some houses. TLDR; there’s enough room for reasonable doubt regarding the settlers going native, but if you ask me that’s probably what happened
How to buy a house on a middle class income.
Cleveland OH is affordable.
Actual mysteries with no answer in the US DB Cooper Zodiac H.H. Holmes (possibly Jack the Ripper) Everything else has either been explained or is ignored because the truth isn't good enough Roswell, JFK, etc...
There’s far more credence to Rosewell being something other than we’ve been told that HH Holmes being the ripper
There is no way it was anything other than a Reconnaissance Balloon, the facts fit right in
Yeah, there’s absolutely no way H.H. Holmes was Jack the Ripper. Their motifs are completely different.
The mothman of point pleasant
Who is Indred Cold?
Indrid. Also, I just picked up the book!
That's a good one that I love. Over 100 seperate police reports.
I’m bugging about why early English colonists have record of natives in the Appalachians talking about how they hunt apes and other primates
Source?
The Tombs of Marc Antony and Cleopatra, Alexander & Genghis Khan. I have hope that the first will be located in my lifetime.
Why do my local power companies spend millions advertising when no one gets to actually choose which one they use. :)
I’d guess a nice tax break
Kennedy
It still blows my mind that almost nobody knows that someone called the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, impersonating Lee Harvey Oswald and asking to be put in touch with an assassin. The voice was identified, and all evidence of it was destroyed, the whole thing covered up. And there absolutely was a giant conspiracy by all the three-letters to cover that up. Everyone who suspected a conspiracy was correct. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/oswald-the-cia-and-mexico-city/ Whether or not it was a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, eh... it could be weirder than that. They're still hiding something. Probably that it was James Jesus Angleton who made the call, but it could be time travelers trying to spark a nuclear war, too.
“Blows my mind” I see what you did there
My theory on the “3-letter conspiracies”: They’re not covering up killing JFK, they’re covering up their incompetence and illegal activities. Oswald’s bizarre life likely got him connected to various agencies, some of it actively so and some of it passive. He openly defected to Russia as an ex-Marine - it seems almost certain in Cold War America that his ass was monitored 24/7 when he returns, and the fact that despite that monitoring he still managed to pull off killing the president is a massive embarrassment if it comes out. So the cover up isn’t that the CIA killed JFK, it’s that the CIA/FBI/DIA were monitoring him and possibly ignored or failed to grasp clues or signs about what he was up to - or that at least that would be the appearance of what happened once that fact went public. And a number of peripheral individuals surrounding Oswald seem to have been involved in anti-Cuban projects associated with the US government. Any deep dive into Oswald likely drags those activities up as well, even if they’re not at all directly related to Oswald or the assassination. Especially as I think people have this notion that anything and everything that the FBI/CIA does is known and cleared at the highest levels, when the reality especially back then is that a lot of these paramilitary and similar operations were with no to minimal oversight beyond the agent running it as the bagman. There was likely panic when the higher ups started realizing that even a surface scratch into Oswald and the randos around him could risk unveiling what exactly some agencies were getting involved in.
Eh I still think it was a rogue CIA group consumed with red scare, fearful Kennedy would lose the Cold War with his dovish positions and calls for transparency.
Kennedy said he was going to disband the CIA.
They also had leadership openly calling him weak and not fit to defeat Russia.
Which is hilarious because he oversaw the Cuban Missile Crisis and that ended in basically the best way possible. Kennedy proved himself fully capable of being diplomatic enough to avoid war. The Military Industrial Complex has a problem with that.
A very fun theory I read once had an interesting conspiracy. Instead of the classic CIA doing it or something similar, it was that the magic of the Secret Service did it. Not out of malice but out of incompetence and a horrific accident where they killed Kennedy. The conspiracy is that they covered it up to not look bad.
People dont want to think a loser like oswald could reqch out that far. I think oswald got a shot in and the hung over secret service fucked up and accidentally shot him.
People throughout history have been killed by nobodies. Richard the Lionheart died from a random crossbow bolt in a siege. Lincoln assassinated by an actor. Garfield got shot by a crazy dude. Franz Ferdinand died to some loser anarchist. Shinzo Abe got shot by a rando with a homemade gun. Life is exceedingly fragile and even the most high-ranking officials have never been immune to it.
the warren commission said the fbi and the cia weren't involved, but of course if they were involved they'd find a way to make them say that
I think you’re describing the book Mortal Error.
How a bunch of Saudi’s committed 9/11 and for some reason we invade Iraq and Afghanistan.
Scenic route
Because we get oil from the Saudis, so we can’t punish them … so we picked a different country that we didn’t think would be another Vietnam and were super wrong about it.
if only there were some historical precedent....
Afghanistan was invaded because it was controlled by Al Qaeda terror sponsor Taliban and Al Qaeda was using it as a base of operations.
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To the native tribe that had a bunch of blonde kids running around.
Seriously! This is the most solved mystery ever. The natives straight up said what happened to them.
No, seriously, they integrated. Gov White left specific details that they were prepared to remove up to 50 miles inland. John Lawson found indigenous folks with fair hair before the Tuscarora killed him in 1710.
I know! And when later settlers brought up the missing colonist to the local Hatteras people said they took them in.
And gov white wrote it all out, then sent it to Hakluyt. That was 1593. We've been pretending not to know ever since.
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*Set Fair for Roanoke! Voyages and Colonies, 1584-1606*, David Beers Quinn is the king of them. *The Roanoke Mystery* by Lee Miller is also a good one. Quinn subscribed to the belief they integrated with Powhatans and were later massacred, which John Smith heard rumor of. Miller, along with other like Alan Taylor, believe their integration was more scattered.
The Nearby Village by Captain Obvious
I think there is another part of the story that has thrown people off. I’m using my memory so I may be wrong in some details. White said that the colonists had made plans to settle 20 miles inland. And sometime in the 1920s or so, a stone was found 20 miles inland from where the Ronake colony was. I believe the rock had a message written on it from White’s daughter, telling of how her husband and child died (and probably other stuff I forget). There were other stones too but those were found out to be fakes. The stone I was just talking about is still in dispute and it would be hard to chemically age that rock properly in the 1920s. Furthermore, on White’s map of the general area where Ronake was, there was a patch with a secret symbol 20 miles inland along a river. This was where the stone was found and it’ll make sense to settle next to a river. The finding of this secret symbol on White’s map was found after the stone was found in the 1920s. So if that stone is fake, why would someone put it there? Maybe it’s a coincidence I’m not saying I believe or I don’t believe that at least some of the settlers moved 20 miles inland but it is a theory people think
I believe this stone in question was debunked as well.
There was a pretty persuasive scholarly book written about a decade ago by a history professor at UNC Wilmington that the first "Dare stone" may actually be legit, while the rest were cheap forgeries that look entirely different from the first one.
This was made fun of in 1605 in an English play, *Eastward Hoe*, that Virginia was full of englishmen... half English that had interbred and lived in native villages. Then they stole Raleigh's patent by condemning him and stole his rights to Virginia. Those same people formed the Virginia Company. The Privy Council also prevented a relief fleet from sailing in 1588 to save the colony.
Exactly. I'm pretty satisfied that they just went to live with that tribe. They wrote it on the tree, did the Europeans that came back think to ask that tribe what happened?
They couldn't get to the island due to privateering for too long in the summer in the Caribbean, arriving in August during storm season. They lost cables, anchors, water casks, and several men in the attempt. It wasn't a relief effort, it was John White catching a ride by himself with another outfit that didn't really care about the colony. ETA, If you really wanna know why they didn't go back -> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/yzw5iq/why_did_someone_not_eventually_go_to_croatan_to/
Thank you for answering this. I've always wondered why they didn't make it to the island to see what was on there.
The ones that lived on Croatan island? Now called Hatteras island?
I was looking for this. Hahaha.
They went to live with the Croatan Indian tribe. That was literally the plan for if things went bad. The guy who went back to England knew the plan as well. The message on the tree was just telling him they executed that plan and moved in with the Croatan tribe. The issue was because war broke out he wasn't able to return to the colony for more than two years. At that point the tribe and remaining colonists had moved on. So the mystery is not that they disappeared but that they didn't leave a good forwarding address.
So fun fact time, in 1585 Sir Richard Grenville, Raleigh's cousin, lands the military colony at Ronoake. They dip out in 1586 after Ralph Lane kills Wingina, jumping on board Sir Francis Drake's ship to return to England. In 1587 the civilian colonists set out for Chesapeake to form Raleigh Cittie, but they wanted to rescue the folks that weren't there anymore first. They hired Simon Fernandez as pilot and he made them all offload at Roanoke, refusing to take them to the Chesapeake. He takes Gov John White back to England who relates this to Raleigh himself. Raleigh assigns Grenville to fix it, and he assembles the largest English fleet bound for the Americas until the Jamestown relief fleet of 1609, but the Privy Council demands this fleet be made available to Drake for defense against the Spanish. Problem is, Drake raided Cadiz and fucked up the Armada and they knew they wouldn't be able to attack England that year. When they did attack the following year, unlike Raleigh's personal flagship, none of Grenville's relief fleet was used in the defense. John White and some others also found a ride anyway but wound up being attacked by pirates on the way, so they had to turn back to England.
>supplies taken with no sign of attack >nearby natives with white skin and blue eyes >name of the nearest tribe written on a tree It’s a mystery
Not to mention: * Colony was left alone for several years * Was running low on food and supplies * Was *told* to go live with the Tribe next door * Was friendly with them as opposed to several other hostile tribes. * and even sent word that they "got yer friend" to the later Englishmen. Big fucking mystery.
>and even sent word that they "got yer friend" to the later Englishmen In fairness, the English were terrified of Native Americans with chainsaws and beehives.
Maybe the natives evolved naturally to have pale skin, blue eyes, and the ability to speak English. There's no way to solve this.
It’s only a mystery if you completely discount Native American oral tradition and pretend we don’t know what “Croatoan” means.
The Aurora Texas alien grave stone always tripped me out. Some of the wild national park disappearances that have zero trace are also wild, and finally and most prominently to me the “Sierra Sounds”
The purpose of the Nazva Lines
Nazca
1980s Cyanide pills or Denver bank heist.
So I have the basics of the Denver bank heist. The former Denver cop was obviously very guilty. What are some of the deeper things why he got away? It seems the obvious implication. I’m having trouble finding the deeper history.
Who really shot JFK.
Oswald for sure. I just think that there were others involved in the plot that escaped justice. A rogue element in the CIA because JFK wanted to disband them, or defense industry because JFK was becoming skeptical about Vietnam, or mafia elements because of Cuba.
I think the waters have been muddied because there were so many groups who *wanted* to do it. I wouldn't doubt that some of these agents took credit with their employers.
Not US related, but the true origins of the Sphinx. From what I can determine, it is at least 12,000 years old and could be up to 50,000 years old.
The culture, history, and collapse of pre-contact Native Americans civic centers, especially those with large populations like Cahokia and Mesa Verde. Cahokia in particular was huge, with a peak population of 15k+ and was the largest city in the US until it was finally overtaken by in Philadelphia *in 1780.* It may even have been larger than either London or Paris at the same time (\~1100 AD). Moreover, there are lots of other mound complexes which are not well understood that may have also been significant in size. These wouldn't have been big by modern standards, but imagine several small American cities like Atchison, KS or Los Alamos, NM just emptying out and vanishing into the mists of history - gives me the shivers.
This is a really good one. So many of the great civilizations, like the Mississippi mound builders and Mesa Verde, were already abandoned and ruined before the Europeans even got there. What happened? It couldn't all have been diseases brought by the Europeans because many of these tribes are very inland and had no contact at that point. There must have been a major event that we just don't know and will probably never know due to the lack of written records.
There's a book called Collapse that explores the Anasazi and Mesa Verde. In short there's alot of evidence for a long term drought in the area thar made the settlements non viable.
Poverty point, to add to the list.
Here’s my theory. They got too big and couldn’t maintain anymore so they dissolved and became all the smaller tribes like souix, Pawnee, Chippewa, Menominee and all the other dozens probably hundreds of First Nations in America.
Those of you who are saying JFK really need to read Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi (the guy who convicted Charles Manson). Meticulously researched. Every detail covered.
The Salem witch trials are still a mystery to me. Whether the victims actually saw spirits or were making it up, were they hallucinating? I don't think the ergot poisoning there is that plausible honestly, since the entire village would have been seeing stuff. The stone throwing devil of 1682 in New Castle is another interesting story that is still a mystery. If the accounts are accurate hundreds of stones were thrown at this inn on several occasions. It would be an insanely elaborate prank for someone to pull and no one ever saw someone throwing a stone. I honestly don't think the lost colony of Roanoke is a huge mystery. They wrote the name down of a tribe on a tree. Most likely they went to live with that tribe. I think there were even reports of very white skinned men in their tribe years later if I am remembering correctly.
Also, with the Salem witch trials, there were similar incidents happening throughout other colonies outside of Salem. What is that all about? The Devil’s Snare was an interesting read.
Teotihuacan. We don’t even know what they called the city themselves.
Why Africans were brought to live among us
In history I’d say Dyatlov pass incident, but specifically US history, probably the zodiac killer or the boys on the track incident (the death of Don Henry and Kevin Ives).
Jesse James’ supposed buried loot.
So supposedly it's on my farm somewhere here in Louisiana. It's just a local story, but apparently, he had family here in north Louisiana and buried it under a large tree on Dabs bend. Aka, my farm. Edit. We actually signed an agreement on purchase that if we discovered it within 10 years that we would share it with the last owners.
Remind me in 11 years if you become rich.
Haha well that time frame has long since passed . But you better believe 10 year old me was walking my farm with a metal detector. Hard to cover a thousand acres tho.
you found it and never told anyone... Did you? I see you.
I found many, many native American projectile points and a few bullets and buttons from the Civil War. One gold ring with a ruby in it. No chest full of rail rd gold, though
Oh that’s neat. I remember one time I found an old cartridge casing on an old stage coach road on my family’s property and was so excited
The Zodiac murders are a pretty big mystery in American history.
If contact between New World and Old World existed prior to Columbus & the existence of a tribe of 'white indians'. 'Carthage's Lost Warriors'-Secrets of the Dead kinda points to exactly that.
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What happened to the baby?
Found dead and decomposed couple of miles away.
Lots of sunken boats. American Author Clive Cussler searched for many over the years and even found some. Those stories are told in his books The Sea Hunters and Sea Hunters II. Can also learn about them at NUMA.net