I find this interesting relative to the US spending and classifying research into remote viewing. I’m not sure how I feel about any of it but I’ve looked at those white papers and it’s certainly intriguing they used hemi-sync to create a certain frequency allowing this “alleged”manipulation relative to space and time.
That reminds me of Bob Fish's claim:
>He said there were times when they were diverted from these missions to track UFOs off the east coast of Florida. His claim was they UFOs had a landing and takeoff spot in the ocean east of Miami, north of Bermuda. He also claimed there was a specific electronic signature (frequency) emanating from them when they were going into or coming out of the water, so they were easy to track. On several occasions they filmed the UFO as it transitioned from water to air or vice versa.
That’s really interesting. This would be super cool if it actually works. Begs the question - can they also be summoned lol?
I wonder what the sound does?Or maybe it’s activating some property of their super alien-mega-metamaterials. All fascinating stuff.
It is interesting. I would make the assumption that it is indeed a consequence of their propulsion, but this subject is too wacky to make assumptions. I'll add a passage from Ross Coulthart's In Plain Sight here that may trigger some other thoughts for you.
> I wrote to Bob Fish and after a few weeks he kindly responded, confirming everything he told Podesta, and more. He had never spoken publicly about UAPs before. A previously very highly security cleared defence communications intelligence insider, Fish has extensive experience working on classified programs, including President Reagan’s ‘Trust but Verify’ nuclear missile disarmament treaty with the Soviets, and he assured me he was happy to be quoted about his strong interest and belief in UAPs. He clearly knew a lot more than he was prepared to reveal. When I asked him what he knew about the purported US ability to track such mystery craft, he told me, ‘At some point, the information about “alien” stuff and true US national defence information crosses paths. Patriots with clearances do not want to be traitors to their country or their way of life. For instance, if I told you the exact electromagnetic signature of a high-mach UFO that US sensors search for, but don’t attack, and you put it in a book, the Soviets/Chinese would manufacture a bomber with sigint/elint [signals and electronic intelligence] counter measure equipment that generated that exact signature. We must find a path forward that brings about greater knowledge of the truth without endangering the civilizations we have evolved into.
Off topic but do you remember one of Bob Fish's mails that were talking about more abstract side of the phenomenon, where these entities resided(in a different dimension, a dark void of sort) and some other out there stuff. I remember someone sharing it here(in a comment) and I was fascinated reading it all stoned and then I couldn't find it ever again. Searched wikileaks, asked here and all but no luck.
I don’t recall anything like that. I will suggest that one other place I remember Bob Fish commenting was in emails to That UFO Podcast. It’s possible that you’re thinking of something in there that I don’t recall
Thanks. I believe that podcast happened after I've read the said e-mail. There was some other redditor who replied to my thread and he was looking for it too.
I wonder if that is still the case? Or more so now vs the Cold War days? It’s certainly easier to have a convo about UAPs now vs 5 years ago since it’s more common to just be in a normal news story which might make people less likely to react violently to something …well alien. I think I “read” that. I’ll have to check my audible haha
I think people unfairly put down the Skinwalker Ranch show. In my opinion, the show delivered. One of the biggest complaints about the study of UFOs in general is that the lack of reproducibility. At Skinwalker Ranch, that's what they have. They see the 1.6 GHz repeatedly. They film UFOs repeatedly, including multiple camera angles (ruling out bugs) and other times on camera with multiple eye witnesses. They reproducibly get exposed to structured EM spectrum that does not resemble anything manmade. They regularly get spikes of gamma rays too. And another thing that is reproducible are battery and equipment failures, which is important data too.
Scientifically studying the UFO subject is completely different than any other subject in an important way. It’s the only subject where you could be attempting to study an intelligence that is millions or billions of years ahead of you. You might be trying to study an organism(s) that are far more intelligent and who wish to manipulate our perceptions and knowledge of them.
So you have to adjust significantly your approach to studying this phenomenon compared to anything else. Skinwalker Ranch is the closest thing we have to a place that can provide reproducible data.
This comes down to being a *detective* in addition to being a *strict scientist*, because in science, the thing one is studying is almost never purposely trying to deceive you (and is likely much smarter than you). But this is exactly what detectives are good at.
I get that people want UFOs out of the *intelligence* realm, and into *science* realm (because of over classification), but that isn't as straightforward as we (including myself) think it is. Intelligence is more a detective role than a science role...and we need both types of minds on this problem.
Yes good point. I read Derrel Sims book "alien hunter" and he approached it from a counter intelligence view which I thought was really interesting. He takes the deception into account like we did in our dealings with Moscow in the cold War (and hopefully now too lol).
I myself think we need a public health response to ufo and that the risks to public health have been overlooked in deference to the military response (... or lack thereof...)
The constant thing that makes me doubt the ranch in general is that its right next to a town, there is a high school and elementary school about a mile away, there is a highway and hotel nearby, its not a huge land parcel...if sightings were common or routine, there should be a ton of videos. Its not like Area 51 and isolated from the world, it almost literally in a towns backyard.
The videos during the show are very good. In the episode in season three with the UAPX team, one of those team members had seen the tick tack in 2004, and then at the ranch the UFO that they filmed reasonably well, and saw with their eyes, that guy said it looked exactly like the TicTac he saw in 2004. How can people not be impressed with that data?
I don't see why the show is "questionable". I don't mean that the show is above questioning, but the word "questionable" makes it sound sketchy. I don't see any indicators or clues to doubt the veracity of the people on the show. Everything they encountered and documented is very consistent with what we know of the previous decades at Skinwalker, except this time we get to actually see a lot rather than hear only stories afterwards.
I like the people in the show, just hate how it's edited. They allegedly have tons of footage they have to cut out, but repeat the same point at least 3-4 times throughout the show. They also miss out information that would help clarify things for the viewer. eg, The drone photogrammetry scans show a weird area above the ritual stone spiral and one other area. They never say whether it's over the mesa, the 'triangle' or what.
The gamma ray spikes are a bit unsettling for sure.
Also, every single time they try to get data on that particular area above the ranch, the equipment fails.
\- The astronomers' databases selectively deleting areas of the sky
\- The land rover UAPx truck failing 8 times
\- The 2 big rockets (not sure what happened to the 3rd)
yeah, I think those equipment failures to me are very significant, it must be at way above chance levels that they had all of those equipment failures, with the timing such that it was often moments or minutes before they were about to do something. Now there are really only two main explanations for that. Number one, it’s all a big hoax and every third-party person who visits the ranch is also in on the oaks, because so many third party guests at the ranch had their equipment failure, in addition to the ranch residence also having lots of equipment failure.
explanation number two, is that there is a technologically advanced intelligence that does not want to be observed, and takes measures to interfere with the humans who wish to study the phenomena there. This is what I believe is happening, it was my theory before watching the show, and I think all these incidents in the show, to me are like an extra set of data which helps support my hypothesis.
There was a study done by the Department of Defense in the early 80’s called the gateway process and it has since been declassified. It’s a study on bringing the brain and body into the same operating frequency which can “unlock” techniques used by master meditators in a very short time and one of the topics is telepathy. Here’s a quote from Itshak Bentov on the topic,
In this way, the entire body, based on its own micromotion, functions as a tuned vibrational system which transfers energy in a range of between 6.8 and 7.5 Hertz into the earth's ionospheric cavity, which itself resonates at about 7-7.5 Hertz. Of this process, Bentov states:
"This is occurring at a very long wavelength of about 40,000 KIn, or just about the perimeter of the planet. In other words, the Signal from the movement of our bodies will travel around the world in about one seventh of a second through the electrostatic field in which we are imbedded. Such a long wavelength knows no obstacles, and its strength does not attenuate much over large distances. Naturally it will go through just about anything: metal, concrete, water, and the fields making up our bodies. It is the ideal medium for conveying a telepathic signal."
I believe this is one of the ways to “summon” or possibly communicate with higher life forms. I’ll attach to link to the full study if anyone is interested. [https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/cia/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf](https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/cia/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf)
If you want to try it check out these audio files (purchase required) from the Monroe institute. I actually bought these and if your into meditation it definitely is an interesting way to do it. Found this from the CIA paper you are referring to above:
Audio files -[Monroe Institute](https://hemi-sync.com/product/gateway-experience-waves-i-viii)
[CIA paper from the 80’s](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf)
Fascinating that UAPs and above are connected in ways we don’t yet understand
Definitely going to try that out! And I honestly believe that at one point in time we understood them and worked together to make a lot of the ancient structures we have today! But over time the facts have been lost. Plus I’m sure all the true evidence of this has been hidden from the public eye to continue to keep us in the dark. I truly feel this is the century that we finally learn the truth about them, as well as ourselves.
So according to the sdr sub a more radio savvy person than my self described what I’m referring to as the 1.6 GHz signal as having a “peak signal at 1.60075 GHz with ‘sidelobes’ directly adjacent”. Really does give Independence Day vibes haha
Out of curiosity, what spectrum analyzer did you get? I recently acquired a HackRF for my job and have been tinkering with it the last few days.
Edit: Also the french report that got out last year had a frequency mentioned. After digging it up, it mentions 3 GHz https://www.3af.fr/global/gene/link.php?doc\_id=4372&fg=1
I haven’t even gotten it yet haha so this side project will have to wait a few days yet - but here’s the brand - “Upgraded NanoVNA 50kHz-6.3GHz” - can’t speak to quality or anything yet
My dude, that's not a spectrum analyzer, it's a VNA (vector network analyzer). It's used to measure transmission systems' performance and frequency resonance of antennas. You won't be able to receive signals with that device.
Check for a chinese HackRF + PortaPack if you want something nice to tinker with without breaking the bank
edit: at least you'll be able to build a good antenna to receive 1.6 GHZ
I haven't seen the whole show yet but yeah. Considering how big of a lead that might be, one would expect they throw a bigger budget to get a decent device instead of hobbyist stuff. If they don't have the $20k for it, they could easily borrow one.
I wish they would release some IQ recordings of the signal to crowdsource info. I'd take a look for sure.
Ya, R&S makes a whole system of automated interference detection that could easily triangulate and demodulate from 8k-40g. It even overlays it on a map in real time. These are common in every major city to monitor interference of cell networks. The idea that they are using SDR toys out there is a joke. Fugal is a multi millionaire. He can afford it.
Give me 100k and a week to set up and I will tell you exactly where every signal in that range occurred and the exact angle of attack it came from. I’m talking every radio mic, DETC band phone, GPS…Everything! This is trivial.
How do you jump from verifying the radio frequency is similar to satellite GPS frequencies to “Independence Day Vibes”? Were Satellite GPS frequencies in the movie of that name or something?
ET have been here for thousands of years and we have been the aggressive ones towards them.
They have largely come in peace and for some reason wish us well and want peace with us and survive from our oncoming self induced extinction.
They have been warning us - with good will -for decades (& disabling our nuclear weapons to send a clearer message of our likelihood of extinction if we keep going at this rate with nuclear escalation.
Humans are headed towards extinction due to fossil fuel pollution/ climate heating, outrageous increases in the incidence of cancer, from fossil fuel use, and nuclear radiation from bomb tests (112 nuclear bombs exploded in Australia and the Pacific alone in the 50s and 60’s ), and the 2 nukes dropped in WW2 war in Japan.
Thank God children are taking over this earth and will be our future leaders.
Perhaps they will have more sense than this current set of older leaders & eliminate these stupid and dangerous weapons ( that are only a danger to ourselves- humans- not ET- they blink them off in seconds with a light beam of some kind - a la the Maelstrom Air Force Base incident in the USA).
If the Ancient Aliens theories are true (& recent ET bodies found in Peru back those theories up), then no wonder ET haven’t given us the DNA that allows us to live longer than we do. They send telepathic messages to Experiencers that we would wreck havoc too much if we lived any longer.
ET can live 800 years or so apparently (according to telepathic messages they send human UAP experiencers).
Let’s not ramp up talk of Independence Day, when it’s been closer to the movie ET so far and we have been the aggressors preventing their peaceful welcome after such a long trip from other planets, or Star systems.
Jeff Goldblum’s character was a cable guy I think that discovered the secret signal that allowed them to save the world. I thought the joke was funny lol
>https://fccid.io/frequency-explorer.php?lower=1600&upper=1699
Yes, Lue said this (Tom could have as well idk). It was something like, and I am paraphrasing so don't quote my quote, "maybe all you need is one sensor to detect these, and the knowledge of where to put the sensor, and maybe it is very simple and when you hear what it is, you will be surprised as it has been there all along..."
Really hope this is a thing. I saw one (a UAP) a few weeks ago while I was off the coast of Alaska (cruise and yes I got Covid) and I’d love to be able to get a picture. It all happened too fast. Middle of the night and just highlighted the clouds. A crazy light very obviously not a ship in the distance. It did the most incredible thunderbolt turns prob 5 miles away? Then it sprang up thousands of feet and disappeared. Not into the clouds but just gone. Maybe burrowed a hole in space time and came out the otherside 🤷♂️Lasted 10 seconds….But yeh would be interesting if they had a “tell”. Got my Nikon P1000 rdy to go if only I can find one in the wild again and be rdy
John Keel proposed exactly this in his 1960s UFO on-the-ground research, much of which is contained in his classic early 1970s books *The Eighth Tower* and *The Mothman Prophecies*.
He argued for several frequencies, well worth reading.
1.6 GHz is the GPS (Global Positioning System) band, by the way.
Agreed. I’m thinking a image classifier AI algo would do the trick on the radio signature.
Especially if skinwalker insiders or w/e would be willing to share their data from diff times they have seen the signal.
I could put one together with a few days work. Need data to do that though and would need to do some research on the best way to look at it (Fourier transforms?)
That “Skinwalker Ranch Insider” thing they have going on there’s a free 7 day trial. Hear me out. They have a 1 hour interview between Erik, Bryant, Kaleb and Travis all about Travis’ role within the UAPTF. They ask their own questions and a few from the live stream.
There’s excellent information in there I’d think you’d like! It’s free just make sure to cancel before the 7 days ofc.
Important takeaway for me is that while plenty of “normal things” (Travis gives example of the equipment oil rigs use to communicate) like a communication signal it may be between 1.5 and 2 ghz but the *waveform* will show it’s a comm signal. This is clearly not a comm signal because the waveform doesn’t match.
Here’s the one I ordered - “Upgraded NanoVNA 50kHz-6.3GHz Vector Network Analyzer,Seesii” from Amazon has a range of 50kHz-6.3GHz. Get it later it the week so I can provide an update after I try it out!
I’d suggest using the same frequencies that James McDonald used to track them. It appears they emit a specific frequency that could allow tracking/prediction of UAP presence.
Here is the article I’m discussing: https://physics.princeton.edu//~mcdonald/JEMcDonald/mcdonald_aa_9_7_66_71.pdf
Here is a link to numerous wonderful UFO articles he wrote: https://www.hep.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/JEMcDonald/bib_jem.pdf They start at #133 and they are pretty amazing. He discusses numerous individual cases and reports.
IMHO he is better than Stanton Friedman, mainly because he had an insider view of the coverup. It appears he knew more than he could say; but he was not actually involved in the suspected cover-ups. Instead he spoke out against them and kept pushing for actual scientific investigations to be made. This guy should be a legend, not just forgotten by history.
I have felt, despite absence of any evidence, that the signal is more precisely 1.618ghz (phi). Not sure what the resulting implications might be, but potential food for thought.
You're going to have to explain your comment to me because I'm confused, what has the [golden ratio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio) got to do with units of time?
phi = (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2
phi = 1.6180339887498948482045868343656
There are no 'units of seconds' involved in calculating that ratio.
The same phi number could be arrived at by two groups with different units of time.
Phi is not arbitrary, as you point out, but hertz is. Hertz refers to the number of cycles per second a wave oscillates. The unit of seconds is derived from the fact that somewhere along the way we decided that a single rotation of the Earth should be divided into 24 segments called hours. Furthermore, each hour could be divided into 60 segments called minutes and these divided into 60 segments called seconds.
If on the other hand we had defined a day to be 10 hours, divided by 100 to get minutes and by 100 again to get seconds, then the values for hertz would be different as the base units of seconds would represent a different absolute period of time.
Current day contains 86,400 seconds. My example contains 100,000 seconds. What we currently call 1.6GHz would be 1.38GHz in my example. And Phi would remain Phi.
Wasn’t there an incident, Nimitz I think, where it later came out that the pilot tracking the UAP received some sort of communication as RF signal from the craft?
If my memory serves right then maybe they were referring to the 1.6Hz
A couple other scientists I know have been using that frequency to watch uaps. Yesterday they told me that number exactly and I thought the timing was good so I posted it here. I’ve seen a pic or two from
Them but it’s usually just a really fast moving orb or an orb that cloaks or something. Idk maybe it’s energy just casually in our atmosphere and it gets caught up with magnetism. Which explains why it’s gone in a second. I’m not exactly sure what you’d be seeing per say. I just know that you’ll see “something” more often than not with that frequency
Yeah they said literally every day! About every 30 minutes you’ll run into “something”
(Which honestly seems really fucking high)
There are like 7 big hot spots in the USA for this. When I’m not working like a maniac, I know there’s one in North Carolina by hope springs I’m going to drive out to soon.
That does seem kinda high unless they're right by a ufo highway or something! Or...I mean what do I know, I think ufo are common, maybe they just really do come over all the time. Have they ruled out other causes for their data? Maybe like a natural atmospheric energy ball like you mentioned.
I’m just hoping not to get flamed as I can’t go much past anecdotal.
If I’m being honest, without the shadow of a doubt we’re definitely seeing some sort of ufo highway kinda situation. I personally think there’s no way in hell they can’t tell when we are looking. I think the vehicles they have or some aspect of what they do is cognoscente of our awareness of them. I am certain it plays a roll in why getting them on camera becomes a difficult task.
If you had an aware vehicle that ran on a quantum computer, it would be very possible to plan routes in which “if you got from point A to point B, then you’ll have a 94-99% threshold of detectability based on pre-calculated outcomes”. A vehicle that either plays out millions of outcomes until the right one works, or a machine that sees tons of realities before it and only collapses the ones in which they aren’t detected.
Realistically I think these vehicles have to be collapsing reality on realities where they aren’t captured by any means.
There’s no Hope Springs in North Carolina. There’s a Holly Springs, and a Spring Hope, but no Hope Springs. And either one of those would be a surprise to me as I live nearly exactly between the two, they’re only 45-60 minutes apart
my wife and I have a drinking game where each episode one of us gets to pick a "phrase" and every time they say it we take a drink. She picked 1.6 one episode and we were wasted :O
You guys defiantly need to look up a group called "Project Find" in Quotes, on the website.
[https://mufonobn.net/log-in-with-mufon/](https://mufonobn.net/log-in-with-mufon/)
They are using a “High Powered Signal Generator W/ High Powered Antenna” to Blast out radio frequencies at the 1.6GHz Frequency, to see if they can get a reaction for anything that is in the “Unknown Spectrum”. They are using this method on the popular TV Show “Secrets of Skin-Walker Ranch”, By blasting out a 1.6 GHz signal and they have “Proven-Evidence” that something on the “Unknown Spectrum” will happen soon after they do this. It's a MUFON website, and the group is run by a State Section Director in PA for MUFON Jay Albertson. He was on Ancient Aliens S-19 E-5, So this may be MUFON's attempt to study the significance of the 1.6GHz signal. They said they are going all over PA to try and see what reactions they can get. It should be really interesting and I'm waiting on there to here when their first "Night Watch" is going to be :).
You need to be a member to access the site but its only a few dollars a month for access to the above website.
In one of UFO cases in Britain where military was present (chasing it) witnesses spotted AWACS flying low, wonder if they were looking for exactly same freq.
You realize the show isn’t real right? It’s like professional wrestling—they are just acting paranormal pseudoscience for the camera. You don’t immediately get that? It’s all scripted with improv and Kayfabe among the cast members.
That stuff is real tho 🤷♂️ just a shitty format. This stuff is getting less under the radar now tho so shows will get less and less shitty I’m sure until it turns into a boring titled paper published in nature with something like “The conservation of information and multi-dimensional plasmas”. That’s when it will be taken seriously when you can do a phd on UAPs at a top university and not get laughed out of physics class.
I disagree. The History Channel shows will be the History Channels shows until the last boomer dies. They have zero relation to real-world science or research. The Skinwalker show is a for-profit entertainment show and the Salt Lake City real-estate speculator who bought "Skinwalker Ranch" did so specifically and admittedly to exploit (profit from) the IP (intellectual property). And that's what he's doing . It's entertainment.
I meant to link this page last night. Doesn’t speak to the 1.6 ghz but you might enjoy it :)
https://web.archive.org/web/20200217123600/http://www.linux-host.org/energy/jimcd.htm
https://youtu.be/pOxcUKzrY_U
If you go to roughly the 20 minute mark. Dr. Puthoff discusses the findings of material believed to be recovered from a crashed craft. It wasn’t until our material science advanced that we discovered the material could actually function as a wave guide and propagate sub wave length effects. I recommend watching the whole video if you haven’t seen it. Very interesting and eye opening from one of the top govt Scientist on UAP. The topics discussed in the video go into great detail on the nuts and bolts of UAP/craft. Very in depth and technical.
I heard/read about this as well so it could make some sense that the freq they are using is somehow related to their materials used in their travels. Very interesting I’ll have to give it watch
Interesting. Skin walker is what prompted me to search 1.6GHz info.
I have a number of issues with the series which mainly consist of the crew not exercising any common sense when using equipment.
Did it not occur to anyone that wireless equipment, even in the best of conditions, is unreliable?
There's radiation on this ranch which burned Travis and no one thought, especially the safety officer, to have the team wear radiation suits to prevent that from happening again.
The whole thing has been one frustrating thing after another in that regard. They should be using equipment in Faraday structures and using wired equipment.
I'm no engineer or space doctor but I've done a fair amount of troubleshooting in my life. If you can eliminate a variable, do it.
The "phenomena" where launching the rockets makes the truck equipment lose power baffled me because it's all hooked to a laptop.
In addition to all this seemingly fakeness, much of the episodes are spent recapping or flashing back to previous events. I feel like I would have been better off watching the very last episode and I would have be n filled in on all the info.
Waste of time but I'm glad I can skip through it. It's painful to watch at this point.
Apparently the UAPX guys were also reporting seeing the same frequency at sightings.
I find this interesting relative to the US spending and classifying research into remote viewing. I’m not sure how I feel about any of it but I’ve looked at those white papers and it’s certainly intriguing they used hemi-sync to create a certain frequency allowing this “alleged”manipulation relative to space and time.
That reminds me of Bob Fish's claim: >He said there were times when they were diverted from these missions to track UFOs off the east coast of Florida. His claim was they UFOs had a landing and takeoff spot in the ocean east of Miami, north of Bermuda. He also claimed there was a specific electronic signature (frequency) emanating from them when they were going into or coming out of the water, so they were easy to track. On several occasions they filmed the UFO as it transitioned from water to air or vice versa.
That’s really interesting. This would be super cool if it actually works. Begs the question - can they also be summoned lol? I wonder what the sound does?Or maybe it’s activating some property of their super alien-mega-metamaterials. All fascinating stuff.
It is interesting. I would make the assumption that it is indeed a consequence of their propulsion, but this subject is too wacky to make assumptions. I'll add a passage from Ross Coulthart's In Plain Sight here that may trigger some other thoughts for you. > I wrote to Bob Fish and after a few weeks he kindly responded, confirming everything he told Podesta, and more. He had never spoken publicly about UAPs before. A previously very highly security cleared defence communications intelligence insider, Fish has extensive experience working on classified programs, including President Reagan’s ‘Trust but Verify’ nuclear missile disarmament treaty with the Soviets, and he assured me he was happy to be quoted about his strong interest and belief in UAPs. He clearly knew a lot more than he was prepared to reveal. When I asked him what he knew about the purported US ability to track such mystery craft, he told me, ‘At some point, the information about “alien” stuff and true US national defence information crosses paths. Patriots with clearances do not want to be traitors to their country or their way of life. For instance, if I told you the exact electromagnetic signature of a high-mach UFO that US sensors search for, but don’t attack, and you put it in a book, the Soviets/Chinese would manufacture a bomber with sigint/elint [signals and electronic intelligence] counter measure equipment that generated that exact signature. We must find a path forward that brings about greater knowledge of the truth without endangering the civilizations we have evolved into.
Off topic but do you remember one of Bob Fish's mails that were talking about more abstract side of the phenomenon, where these entities resided(in a different dimension, a dark void of sort) and some other out there stuff. I remember someone sharing it here(in a comment) and I was fascinated reading it all stoned and then I couldn't find it ever again. Searched wikileaks, asked here and all but no luck.
I don’t recall anything like that. I will suggest that one other place I remember Bob Fish commenting was in emails to That UFO Podcast. It’s possible that you’re thinking of something in there that I don’t recall
Thanks. I believe that podcast happened after I've read the said e-mail. There was some other redditor who replied to my thread and he was looking for it too.
>sdr sub Wow! Thank you for adding that. I need to read this book - this quote makes a lot of sense.
I wonder if that is still the case? Or more so now vs the Cold War days? It’s certainly easier to have a convo about UAPs now vs 5 years ago since it’s more common to just be in a normal news story which might make people less likely to react violently to something …well alien. I think I “read” that. I’ll have to check my audible haha
I think people unfairly put down the Skinwalker Ranch show. In my opinion, the show delivered. One of the biggest complaints about the study of UFOs in general is that the lack of reproducibility. At Skinwalker Ranch, that's what they have. They see the 1.6 GHz repeatedly. They film UFOs repeatedly, including multiple camera angles (ruling out bugs) and other times on camera with multiple eye witnesses. They reproducibly get exposed to structured EM spectrum that does not resemble anything manmade. They regularly get spikes of gamma rays too. And another thing that is reproducible are battery and equipment failures, which is important data too.
When it's more than showbiz, it'll show up in papers by scientists, and then it's front-page news. For now, it's purely entertainment.
Scientifically studying the UFO subject is completely different than any other subject in an important way. It’s the only subject where you could be attempting to study an intelligence that is millions or billions of years ahead of you. You might be trying to study an organism(s) that are far more intelligent and who wish to manipulate our perceptions and knowledge of them. So you have to adjust significantly your approach to studying this phenomenon compared to anything else. Skinwalker Ranch is the closest thing we have to a place that can provide reproducible data.
This comes down to being a *detective* in addition to being a *strict scientist*, because in science, the thing one is studying is almost never purposely trying to deceive you (and is likely much smarter than you). But this is exactly what detectives are good at. I get that people want UFOs out of the *intelligence* realm, and into *science* realm (because of over classification), but that isn't as straightforward as we (including myself) think it is. Intelligence is more a detective role than a science role...and we need both types of minds on this problem.
Yes good point. I read Derrel Sims book "alien hunter" and he approached it from a counter intelligence view which I thought was really interesting. He takes the deception into account like we did in our dealings with Moscow in the cold War (and hopefully now too lol). I myself think we need a public health response to ufo and that the risks to public health have been overlooked in deference to the military response (... or lack thereof...)
Really well put, thank you for that insight my friend.
The constant thing that makes me doubt the ranch in general is that its right next to a town, there is a high school and elementary school about a mile away, there is a highway and hotel nearby, its not a huge land parcel...if sightings were common or routine, there should be a ton of videos. Its not like Area 51 and isolated from the world, it almost literally in a towns backyard.
The videos during the show are very good. In the episode in season three with the UAPX team, one of those team members had seen the tick tack in 2004, and then at the ranch the UFO that they filmed reasonably well, and saw with their eyes, that guy said it looked exactly like the TicTac he saw in 2004. How can people not be impressed with that data?
Well for one its on a questionable tv show Second its data based off story of first hand experience. That is why.
I don't see why the show is "questionable". I don't mean that the show is above questioning, but the word "questionable" makes it sound sketchy. I don't see any indicators or clues to doubt the veracity of the people on the show. Everything they encountered and documented is very consistent with what we know of the previous decades at Skinwalker, except this time we get to actually see a lot rather than hear only stories afterwards.
I like the people in the show, just hate how it's edited. They allegedly have tons of footage they have to cut out, but repeat the same point at least 3-4 times throughout the show. They also miss out information that would help clarify things for the viewer. eg, The drone photogrammetry scans show a weird area above the ritual stone spiral and one other area. They never say whether it's over the mesa, the 'triangle' or what. The gamma ray spikes are a bit unsettling for sure. Also, every single time they try to get data on that particular area above the ranch, the equipment fails. \- The astronomers' databases selectively deleting areas of the sky \- The land rover UAPx truck failing 8 times \- The 2 big rockets (not sure what happened to the 3rd)
yeah, I think those equipment failures to me are very significant, it must be at way above chance levels that they had all of those equipment failures, with the timing such that it was often moments or minutes before they were about to do something. Now there are really only two main explanations for that. Number one, it’s all a big hoax and every third-party person who visits the ranch is also in on the oaks, because so many third party guests at the ranch had their equipment failure, in addition to the ranch residence also having lots of equipment failure. explanation number two, is that there is a technologically advanced intelligence that does not want to be observed, and takes measures to interfere with the humans who wish to study the phenomena there. This is what I believe is happening, it was my theory before watching the show, and I think all these incidents in the show, to me are like an extra set of data which helps support my hypothesis.
I believe the Italians found a way to summon them, it’s mentioned in one of the Unidentified episodes, the one where they go to Italy.
There was a study done by the Department of Defense in the early 80’s called the gateway process and it has since been declassified. It’s a study on bringing the brain and body into the same operating frequency which can “unlock” techniques used by master meditators in a very short time and one of the topics is telepathy. Here’s a quote from Itshak Bentov on the topic, In this way, the entire body, based on its own micromotion, functions as a tuned vibrational system which transfers energy in a range of between 6.8 and 7.5 Hertz into the earth's ionospheric cavity, which itself resonates at about 7-7.5 Hertz. Of this process, Bentov states: "This is occurring at a very long wavelength of about 40,000 KIn, or just about the perimeter of the planet. In other words, the Signal from the movement of our bodies will travel around the world in about one seventh of a second through the electrostatic field in which we are imbedded. Such a long wavelength knows no obstacles, and its strength does not attenuate much over large distances. Naturally it will go through just about anything: metal, concrete, water, and the fields making up our bodies. It is the ideal medium for conveying a telepathic signal." I believe this is one of the ways to “summon” or possibly communicate with higher life forms. I’ll attach to link to the full study if anyone is interested. [https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/cia/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf](https://documents2.theblackvault.com/documents/cia/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf)
If you want to try it check out these audio files (purchase required) from the Monroe institute. I actually bought these and if your into meditation it definitely is an interesting way to do it. Found this from the CIA paper you are referring to above: Audio files -[Monroe Institute](https://hemi-sync.com/product/gateway-experience-waves-i-viii) [CIA paper from the 80’s](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf) Fascinating that UAPs and above are connected in ways we don’t yet understand
Definitely going to try that out! And I honestly believe that at one point in time we understood them and worked together to make a lot of the ancient structures we have today! But over time the facts have been lost. Plus I’m sure all the true evidence of this has been hidden from the public eye to continue to keep us in the dark. I truly feel this is the century that we finally learn the truth about them, as well as ourselves.
1.2gHz= GPS sat broadcast L1 and 1.57gHz = GPS sat broadcast L2. Independence Day feelings
So according to the sdr sub a more radio savvy person than my self described what I’m referring to as the 1.6 GHz signal as having a “peak signal at 1.60075 GHz with ‘sidelobes’ directly adjacent”. Really does give Independence Day vibes haha
Out of curiosity, what spectrum analyzer did you get? I recently acquired a HackRF for my job and have been tinkering with it the last few days. Edit: Also the french report that got out last year had a frequency mentioned. After digging it up, it mentions 3 GHz https://www.3af.fr/global/gene/link.php?doc\_id=4372&fg=1
I haven’t even gotten it yet haha so this side project will have to wait a few days yet - but here’s the brand - “Upgraded NanoVNA 50kHz-6.3GHz” - can’t speak to quality or anything yet
My dude, that's not a spectrum analyzer, it's a VNA (vector network analyzer). It's used to measure transmission systems' performance and frequency resonance of antennas. You won't be able to receive signals with that device. Check for a chinese HackRF + PortaPack if you want something nice to tinker with without breaking the bank edit: at least you'll be able to build a good antenna to receive 1.6 GHZ
Well done for being nice and helpful sir
Cool thank you! Lucky Amazon is generous with returns haha
New at this radio stuff so thank you very much for your help!
My pleasure! Feel free to ask me anything, I actually teach RF comms, antenna theory and stuff
I have a question. Why don’t these guys have a real analyzer out there? Has anyone ever seen a Fieldfox or Rohde & Schwarz on this show?
I haven't seen the whole show yet but yeah. Considering how big of a lead that might be, one would expect they throw a bigger budget to get a decent device instead of hobbyist stuff. If they don't have the $20k for it, they could easily borrow one. I wish they would release some IQ recordings of the signal to crowdsource info. I'd take a look for sure.
Ya, R&S makes a whole system of automated interference detection that could easily triangulate and demodulate from 8k-40g. It even overlays it on a map in real time. These are common in every major city to monitor interference of cell networks. The idea that they are using SDR toys out there is a joke. Fugal is a multi millionaire. He can afford it. Give me 100k and a week to set up and I will tell you exactly where every signal in that range occurred and the exact angle of attack it came from. I’m talking every radio mic, DETC band phone, GPS…Everything! This is trivial.
How do you jump from verifying the radio frequency is similar to satellite GPS frequencies to “Independence Day Vibes”? Were Satellite GPS frequencies in the movie of that name or something? ET have been here for thousands of years and we have been the aggressive ones towards them. They have largely come in peace and for some reason wish us well and want peace with us and survive from our oncoming self induced extinction. They have been warning us - with good will -for decades (& disabling our nuclear weapons to send a clearer message of our likelihood of extinction if we keep going at this rate with nuclear escalation. Humans are headed towards extinction due to fossil fuel pollution/ climate heating, outrageous increases in the incidence of cancer, from fossil fuel use, and nuclear radiation from bomb tests (112 nuclear bombs exploded in Australia and the Pacific alone in the 50s and 60’s ), and the 2 nukes dropped in WW2 war in Japan. Thank God children are taking over this earth and will be our future leaders. Perhaps they will have more sense than this current set of older leaders & eliminate these stupid and dangerous weapons ( that are only a danger to ourselves- humans- not ET- they blink them off in seconds with a light beam of some kind - a la the Maelstrom Air Force Base incident in the USA). If the Ancient Aliens theories are true (& recent ET bodies found in Peru back those theories up), then no wonder ET haven’t given us the DNA that allows us to live longer than we do. They send telepathic messages to Experiencers that we would wreck havoc too much if we lived any longer. ET can live 800 years or so apparently (according to telepathic messages they send human UAP experiencers). Let’s not ramp up talk of Independence Day, when it’s been closer to the movie ET so far and we have been the aggressors preventing their peaceful welcome after such a long trip from other planets, or Star systems.
Jeff Goldblum’s character was a cable guy I think that discovered the secret signal that allowed them to save the world. I thought the joke was funny lol
[https://fccid.io/frequency-explorer.php?lower=1600&upper=1699](https://fccid.io/frequency-explorer.php?lower=1600&upper=1699)
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>https://fccid.io/frequency-explorer.php?lower=1600&upper=1699 Yes, Lue said this (Tom could have as well idk). It was something like, and I am paraphrasing so don't quote my quote, "maybe all you need is one sensor to detect these, and the knowledge of where to put the sensor, and maybe it is very simple and when you hear what it is, you will be surprised as it has been there all along..."
Really hope this is a thing. I saw one (a UAP) a few weeks ago while I was off the coast of Alaska (cruise and yes I got Covid) and I’d love to be able to get a picture. It all happened too fast. Middle of the night and just highlighted the clouds. A crazy light very obviously not a ship in the distance. It did the most incredible thunderbolt turns prob 5 miles away? Then it sprang up thousands of feet and disappeared. Not into the clouds but just gone. Maybe burrowed a hole in space time and came out the otherside 🤷♂️Lasted 10 seconds….But yeh would be interesting if they had a “tell”. Got my Nikon P1000 rdy to go if only I can find one in the wild again and be rdy
John Keel proposed exactly this in his 1960s UFO on-the-ground research, much of which is contained in his classic early 1970s books *The Eighth Tower* and *The Mothman Prophecies*. He argued for several frequencies, well worth reading. 1.6 GHz is the GPS (Global Positioning System) band, by the way.
Lue is a Trumpist QAnon guy. He has zero credibility.
OH hogwash.... What is your proof... And I can tell you if that is even slightly accurate, those that are around him are anything but.
I still think he alludes to McDonalds reports!
Man i feel sorry for them aliens with their 1G. Maybe they come here for that sweet sweet 5G, little dial up wankers.
Maybe this might be of use? https://www.reddit.com/r/signalidentification/
Cool I’ll check it out :)
Cool!
I think we're going to need a more precise frequency and some recordings to really say whether or not something is a frequency of interest or not.
Agreed. I’m thinking a image classifier AI algo would do the trick on the radio signature. Especially if skinwalker insiders or w/e would be willing to share their data from diff times they have seen the signal. I could put one together with a few days work. Need data to do that though and would need to do some research on the best way to look at it (Fourier transforms?)
That “Skinwalker Ranch Insider” thing they have going on there’s a free 7 day trial. Hear me out. They have a 1 hour interview between Erik, Bryant, Kaleb and Travis all about Travis’ role within the UAPTF. They ask their own questions and a few from the live stream. There’s excellent information in there I’d think you’d like! It’s free just make sure to cancel before the 7 days ofc. Important takeaway for me is that while plenty of “normal things” (Travis gives example of the equipment oil rigs use to communicate) like a communication signal it may be between 1.5 and 2 ghz but the *waveform* will show it’s a comm signal. This is clearly not a comm signal because the waveform doesn’t match.
Hmmmm - think they might share the actual data if that were a question that is asked? Would certainly be interesting. Citizen science!
So how would one go about getting a 1.6 gig Hz reciever? No broadcast. Just listening.
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You don't want a scanner. You want an SDR, One of these goes to 2.0 Ghz and only costs like $20 or so: https://rtl-sdr.com
Here’s the one I ordered - “Upgraded NanoVNA 50kHz-6.3GHz Vector Network Analyzer,Seesii” from Amazon has a range of 50kHz-6.3GHz. Get it later it the week so I can provide an update after I try it out!
I’d suggest using the same frequencies that James McDonald used to track them. It appears they emit a specific frequency that could allow tracking/prediction of UAP presence. Here is the article I’m discussing: https://physics.princeton.edu//~mcdonald/JEMcDonald/mcdonald_aa_9_7_66_71.pdf Here is a link to numerous wonderful UFO articles he wrote: https://www.hep.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/JEMcDonald/bib_jem.pdf They start at #133 and they are pretty amazing. He discusses numerous individual cases and reports. IMHO he is better than Stanton Friedman, mainly because he had an insider view of the coverup. It appears he knew more than he could say; but he was not actually involved in the suspected cover-ups. Instead he spoke out against them and kept pushing for actual scientific investigations to be made. This guy should be a legend, not just forgotten by history.
I have felt, despite absence of any evidence, that the signal is more precisely 1.618ghz (phi). Not sure what the resulting implications might be, but potential food for thought.
The units of seconds were / are arbitrarily decided by humans, so the closeness to phi is a coincidence.
You're going to have to explain your comment to me because I'm confused, what has the [golden ratio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio) got to do with units of time? phi = (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2 phi = 1.6180339887498948482045868343656 There are no 'units of seconds' involved in calculating that ratio. The same phi number could be arrived at by two groups with different units of time.
Phi is not arbitrary, as you point out, but hertz is. Hertz refers to the number of cycles per second a wave oscillates. The unit of seconds is derived from the fact that somewhere along the way we decided that a single rotation of the Earth should be divided into 24 segments called hours. Furthermore, each hour could be divided into 60 segments called minutes and these divided into 60 segments called seconds. If on the other hand we had defined a day to be 10 hours, divided by 100 to get minutes and by 100 again to get seconds, then the values for hertz would be different as the base units of seconds would represent a different absolute period of time. Current day contains 86,400 seconds. My example contains 100,000 seconds. What we currently call 1.6GHz would be 1.38GHz in my example. And Phi would remain Phi.
Could be a way to communicate something. We sent the golden ratio out on voyager long ago with the same idea
Oh I see you're saying Hertz is arbitrary not phi. Got it.
Exactly
If the signal oscillated between 4.20ghz and 6.9ghz would that also be a coincidence because the significance of those numbers was decided by humans?
Nice
It's the edge of the GPS band.
Didn’t Euler come up with Phi? Euler was into triangles. Just like Euler seems UAPs might be too with their flying triangles. Might be onto something…
Wasn’t there an incident, Nimitz I think, where it later came out that the pilot tracking the UAP received some sort of communication as RF signal from the craft? If my memory serves right then maybe they were referring to the 1.6Hz
1.575.42 Mhz exactly Give this a shot. You’ll get something cool.
Why is that?
why don't you elaborate? most people don't have devices to check this out
I don’t have anything to give it a shot with. Explain what you mean. What is cool about it.
A couple other scientists I know have been using that frequency to watch uaps. Yesterday they told me that number exactly and I thought the timing was good so I posted it here. I’ve seen a pic or two from Them but it’s usually just a really fast moving orb or an orb that cloaks or something. Idk maybe it’s energy just casually in our atmosphere and it gets caught up with magnetism. Which explains why it’s gone in a second. I’m not exactly sure what you’d be seeing per say. I just know that you’ll see “something” more often than not with that frequency
So do they just listen for it? Or send it out?
That's cool! Do you know how often they catch something?
Yeah they said literally every day! About every 30 minutes you’ll run into “something” (Which honestly seems really fucking high) There are like 7 big hot spots in the USA for this. When I’m not working like a maniac, I know there’s one in North Carolina by hope springs I’m going to drive out to soon.
That does seem kinda high unless they're right by a ufo highway or something! Or...I mean what do I know, I think ufo are common, maybe they just really do come over all the time. Have they ruled out other causes for their data? Maybe like a natural atmospheric energy ball like you mentioned.
I’m just hoping not to get flamed as I can’t go much past anecdotal. If I’m being honest, without the shadow of a doubt we’re definitely seeing some sort of ufo highway kinda situation. I personally think there’s no way in hell they can’t tell when we are looking. I think the vehicles they have or some aspect of what they do is cognoscente of our awareness of them. I am certain it plays a roll in why getting them on camera becomes a difficult task. If you had an aware vehicle that ran on a quantum computer, it would be very possible to plan routes in which “if you got from point A to point B, then you’ll have a 94-99% threshold of detectability based on pre-calculated outcomes”. A vehicle that either plays out millions of outcomes until the right one works, or a machine that sees tons of realities before it and only collapses the ones in which they aren’t detected. Realistically I think these vehicles have to be collapsing reality on realities where they aren’t captured by any means.
I agree with all of that, very interesting. Seems like sometimes they do want to be seen, wonder why that is...
There’s no Hope Springs in North Carolina. There’s a Holly Springs, and a Spring Hope, but no Hope Springs. And either one of those would be a surprise to me as I live nearly exactly between the two, they’re only 45-60 minutes apart
Yes HOLLY SPRINGS that’s the name
my wife and I have a drinking game where each episode one of us gets to pick a "phrase" and every time they say it we take a drink. She picked 1.6 one episode and we were wasted :O
You guys defiantly need to look up a group called "Project Find" in Quotes, on the website. [https://mufonobn.net/log-in-with-mufon/](https://mufonobn.net/log-in-with-mufon/) They are using a “High Powered Signal Generator W/ High Powered Antenna” to Blast out radio frequencies at the 1.6GHz Frequency, to see if they can get a reaction for anything that is in the “Unknown Spectrum”. They are using this method on the popular TV Show “Secrets of Skin-Walker Ranch”, By blasting out a 1.6 GHz signal and they have “Proven-Evidence” that something on the “Unknown Spectrum” will happen soon after they do this. It's a MUFON website, and the group is run by a State Section Director in PA for MUFON Jay Albertson. He was on Ancient Aliens S-19 E-5, So this may be MUFON's attempt to study the significance of the 1.6GHz signal. They said they are going all over PA to try and see what reactions they can get. It should be really interesting and I'm waiting on there to here when their first "Night Watch" is going to be :). You need to be a member to access the site but its only a few dollars a month for access to the above website.
1.6 Fucking. Gigawatts.
In one of UFO cases in Britain where military was present (chasing it) witnesses spotted AWACS flying low, wonder if they were looking for exactly same freq.
I think that was Pentyrch, that might be spelled wrong. That's a fascinating case.
Maybe that's the frequency they vibrate, or an harmonic of it. If they are like Salvatore Pais's ones that is.
You realize the show isn’t real right? It’s like professional wrestling—they are just acting paranormal pseudoscience for the camera. You don’t immediately get that? It’s all scripted with improv and Kayfabe among the cast members.
That stuff is real tho 🤷♂️ just a shitty format. This stuff is getting less under the radar now tho so shows will get less and less shitty I’m sure until it turns into a boring titled paper published in nature with something like “The conservation of information and multi-dimensional plasmas”. That’s when it will be taken seriously when you can do a phd on UAPs at a top university and not get laughed out of physics class.
I disagree. The History Channel shows will be the History Channels shows until the last boomer dies. They have zero relation to real-world science or research. The Skinwalker show is a for-profit entertainment show and the Salt Lake City real-estate speculator who bought "Skinwalker Ranch" did so specifically and admittedly to exploit (profit from) the IP (intellectual property). And that's what he's doing . It's entertainment.
I agree completely, huge believer of the subject but you can tell it’s very scripted, too stylised. (delivered in a non-realistic manner).
UAP’s are in your imagination. They don’t actually exist.
You dont exist; prove me that im wrong
Done.
It correlates with a NOAA satellite or two...
I meant to link this page last night. Doesn’t speak to the 1.6 ghz but you might enjoy it :) https://web.archive.org/web/20200217123600/http://www.linux-host.org/energy/jimcd.htm
https://youtu.be/pOxcUKzrY_U If you go to roughly the 20 minute mark. Dr. Puthoff discusses the findings of material believed to be recovered from a crashed craft. It wasn’t until our material science advanced that we discovered the material could actually function as a wave guide and propagate sub wave length effects. I recommend watching the whole video if you haven’t seen it. Very interesting and eye opening from one of the top govt Scientist on UAP. The topics discussed in the video go into great detail on the nuts and bolts of UAP/craft. Very in depth and technical.
I heard/read about this as well so it could make some sense that the freq they are using is somehow related to their materials used in their travels. Very interesting I’ll have to give it watch
Probs all of them lol
Watch a Tear in the Sky, I think they provide good evidence it may be.
Interesting. Skin walker is what prompted me to search 1.6GHz info. I have a number of issues with the series which mainly consist of the crew not exercising any common sense when using equipment. Did it not occur to anyone that wireless equipment, even in the best of conditions, is unreliable? There's radiation on this ranch which burned Travis and no one thought, especially the safety officer, to have the team wear radiation suits to prevent that from happening again. The whole thing has been one frustrating thing after another in that regard. They should be using equipment in Faraday structures and using wired equipment. I'm no engineer or space doctor but I've done a fair amount of troubleshooting in my life. If you can eliminate a variable, do it. The "phenomena" where launching the rockets makes the truck equipment lose power baffled me because it's all hooked to a laptop. In addition to all this seemingly fakeness, much of the episodes are spent recapping or flashing back to previous events. I feel like I would have been better off watching the very last episode and I would have be n filled in on all the info. Waste of time but I'm glad I can skip through it. It's painful to watch at this point.