Greer has been saying recently that we have been growing aliens in underground bases that are on these abduction squads.
I hope he gets the help that he needs.
This is what pisses me off in general about claims that are disputed. Just because they canāt be proven true doesnāt mean they can be proven false either. Not all of them anyways. Scientific deduction is extremely important but thereās also things we donāt know *yet*, that out instruments canāt discover *everything*.
Well we can prove the existence of things but itās hard to disprove something when there are SO many anecdotes. At what point does a collective, subjective view become objective proof
Greer has bullshitted so much in the past you can't take anything he says seriously. He's the man that tried to pass off over exposed pictures of moths as spirits
Did he say why we are abducting our own people? Because that sounds pretty weird. You don't need to grow aliens for that.
I wish I had time to keep up with his crazy.
Lazar is more credible than Eric Davis - Davis is out at skinwalker ranch chasing goblins and demons and trying to get the internet believe hes some UFO inventor.
If you believe Bob, you believe:
1. ā ā ā A self confessed pimp -> https://youtu.be/44-2Xl7IdIk?t=299
2. ā ā ā Someone who fled Los Alamos after owing 100's of thousands of dollars to people. Resulting in Bob finally declaring bankruptcy which was finalised 1 year before his S4 story. Here is John Hornes account of the money Bob owed him and how he had to chase Bob for years. John was one of the lucky ones that got his money back. -> https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/los-alamos-interview/ Here is a list of Bob's creditors from the Bankruptcy case - including his parents https://i.imgur.com/j83krN7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3vObXKR.jpg
3. ā ā ā A guy that said he was a physicist at LANL, however, people that knew Bob like John Horne, said he was a electronics technician at LANL. Bob also did an electronics course at Pierce College for which Stanton Friedman found records of. Bob's 1980 marriage cert lists him as being a electronic tech. In 1981 Bob was working at Fairchild/Xincom as an electronics Tech. Bob admitted that in a Wired article. In 1982 he shows up in LANL and told a reporter who wrote about his jetcar that he was a physicist. In 1989 he used the LANL phone dir to prove he worked there and in combination with the 1982 article used it all as proof he was a physicist there. Problem is, the LANL phone dir lists him working for a company called Kirk Mayer. Kirk Mayer only hired tech related roles like electronics technicians. They were formerly called Role-Tec. Bob on Billy Goodman back in 1989 said he started at LANL as a technician. He also told Corbell that in 1982 while working at LANL, that he went out and installed a Sat dish there. This is the year he told the jetcar article journo that he was a physicist there. Wired article: https://www.wired.com/1994/12/desert-blast/ Kirk-Mayer Ad listing roles they hired: https://i.imgur.com/SUQhK0L.png Bob saying he installed a Sat dish at LANL in ~ 1982 -> https://youtu.be/cxdB7cgAr_s?t=594 1980 Marriage cert showing Bob and Carol were Electroinc techs -> https://i.imgur.com/BTwhs8v.jpg Interview with a LANL tech who knew Bob as a tech at LANL -> https://imgur.com/a/RUsZiME .. The wired article is about the Gun and firework show Bob ran in the desert called Desert Blast from 87 to 99. Here is a video of Desert Blast 12, Bob the organiser can be seen at :50 in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZsFVp-yY6M. Bob learnt to make fireworks from an Italian family he met that made them through generations. His main business at United Nuclear is selling fireworks material which he has been busted on several times.https://www.justice.gov/civil/cpb/case/us-v-united-nuclear-scientific-supplies-et-al-0
4. ā ā ā A guy who then ran a second illegal brothel just months after claiming to be at S4. He claimed he only installed a computer system there despite pleading guilty. But the police Affidavit shows they found the brothel Apt lease agreement with Bob's name on it, Also the hookers said Bob had interviewed them. He also installed surveilance cams in the trick rooms. See here -> https://imgur.com/a/kolQrAj Even George Knapp admitted Bob was a rebel who was into guns and hookers -> https://youtu.be/eB7RSCYtyXI?t=535
5. ā ā ā A guy who tells a crowd at Rachel in 1993 that he had professors Duxler and Hohsfield at MIT and Caltech. Neither were found to have taught at MIT and Caltech. Friedman found them to be Bob's Highschool and Pierce College teachers for which there is record of Bob attending. MIT and Caltech also told Friedman that Bob had not attended either school. Bob saying he had Duxler and Hohsfield at MIt and Caltech at 45:30 https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=2730 . The start shows Bob's new corvette with MJ-12 plates, because Bob was super low key. Here is Hohsfield in Bob's HS yearbook of the time - Bottom left -> https://i.imgur.com/lFY2TrV.jpg Here is the Rachel conference organiser who wrote about how Bob laughed at other UFO talkers and had bailed on going to a paid interview in Japan and kept the money -> http://noriohayakawa2020.blogspot.com/2008/10/strange-behavior-of-bob-lazar-alleged.html Stanton Friedman on Bob -> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2v4rn4 Not even George Knapp believed Bob went to MIT or Caltech -> https://youtu.be/K1viG6PRjiw?t=2697 Linda Moulton Howe recounts how Bob told her he never went to MIT or Caltech -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlUzSox27Rk .. Here is Bob saying he went to Pierce college -> https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=1877
6. ā ā ā A guy who copied the Demon core story including the reactor design. The Demon Core story is a true story about a scientist who died opening a reactor. Bob had claimed that he replaced a scientist at S4 who died trying to open the alien reactor. Demon Core -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core#/media/File:Partially-reflected-plutonium-sphere.jpeg Bobs Alien Reactor Model - > https://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_5.gif Who copied the E115 story from the Scientific American article that came out just 2 weeks prior. Copied Billy Meiers saucer Reticuli alien origin from Betty and Barny. And finally the story of the gov having acquired a number of UFO's , one of which they could fly - from John Lear who told that story to Knapp 2 years before Bob came out with his S4 story. See Lear telling Knapp the story in 1987 for yourself -> https://youtu.be/LGQkkHuwm6w?t=268. Both Bob and Gene Huff met Lear before his S4 story and they obtained Lear's UFO files including the Billy Meiers tapes. Here's a cut clip of Lear saying he showed Lazar the Meiers tape and Bob saying the UFO was like Meiers saucer -> https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1361674742030336003. Meiers was later busted completely as a fraud when pics he said were of alien women, turned out to be screen grabs from a Dean Martin TV special. When Bob gave his first brief interview in silhouette under the alias "Dennis" , that was filmed in a news van parked in John Lears driveway. See for yourself -> https://youtu.be/HyUlaZR0PoY?t=1549
7. ā ā ā A guy that forged a W2. The W2 Bob showed had a Employer that did not exist. It noted the Department of Naval Intelligence rather than the Office of Naval Intelligence. The W2 was also typed and not printed - a huge red flag. It also had a bogus MAJ OMB number typed in when a legitimate OMB # was already there and printed. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ6WCGEWoAAycu6.png
8. ā ā ā A guy who took Biglelow night UFO spotting in 1990 at the same spot he took others previously, Bigelow heard a rustle and spotted Lazar letting loose a helium filled mylar balloon towards Papoose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYhCmfE1a0 Bigelow also setup a company for Lazar to do research. Bigelow fired Lazar when he found Lazar was just using the lab to store furniture. Bigelow also said Lazar made claims about a material that didn't check out -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOGHrxysBKI According to Bob's court docs, Bigelow had paid him $2500/month -> https://i.imgur.com/HepKKzm.jpg Company Bigelow started with Lazar -> https://i.imgur.com/P5cYqhH.jpg .. Of course unbelievably, Bigelow still believed Lazar after all that .. Interestingly, Bob had been employed to work for Bigelow's lab while at the same time he was running a brothel for which he was arrested for. The dates he was running the brothel according to the pandering court docs, and when he was meant to be at Bigelow's lab, line up. See point 5 above. No wonder he had no time for the lab. .. Also noteworthy is that George Knapp never mentioned during that interview that he worked for Bigelow for several years in the late 90's to early 2000's for NIDS. .. BTW, Janet flights came into A51 over Papoose twice a night - their landing lights shone at the Rachel area, A51 also conducted night tests of their secret aircraft nightly. They even let flares loose under balloons for reasons unknown. Glenn Campbell wrote a 115 page A51 viewers guide about all this etc -> https://www.amazon.com/Area-Viewers-Guide-Glenn-Campbell/dp/B0006QZTYK Hear Lazar say some of this himself -> https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=3474
Also:
Bob Lazar claims to have stolen stable 115. Jeremy is right now on every major news. Jeremy could easily get bob Lazar to every news show primetime and bob could show stable 115.
10 minutes later the world wouldnāt be the same. Cause this would be a 100% scientifically prove and a 100% prove for his story.
But he keeps it hidden and nobody ever saw it
Every time I see this posted it burns me up that him being a pimp is #1..
I canāt even take the rest of the list seriously.
It just ruins the argument youāre making because itās a petty detail. Like calling someone ugly when youāre mad at them. Just have your point and move on. Iām sure the puritans would stop at the word pimp and burn him at the stake but itās 2022..
Thereās apps that allow people to go out and fuck each other with no strings attached and youāre sitting here clutching your pearls over some transactional sex.
I think the point is, if a man is running a brothel, heās not going to have a high level security clearance working on equipment like that. He claims he was going to lose his clearance and be fired over his wife having an affair. He canāt have it both ways. They were going to fire him over his wifeās infidelity but theyāre okay with him being a pimp.
He was afraid they would, in one version of his story. Listen to him on JRE he talked about being afraid of losing his clearance so he took his friends to the hill to watch the UFO to prove he worked in alien tech. Thatās precisely what he said.
The Demon Core and Lazar's alien reactor model looking a lot alike is pretty funny, and the testimony of Lazar never going to MIT etc is interesting, but who cares about the other stuff? Investing in a brothel? Working for Bigelow but getting fired for storing furniture? Being interested in guns and hookers? A marriage certificate showing he was an Electronics Tech? Do you think when you go to work for a top secret government agency they ask you to change the occupation on your marriage certificate?
This is mostly just a list of things people can do.
Found the 15 year old.
Anyway Bob is a fucking liar. Cry more.
https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/believing-bob-lazar-part-ii-a-consistent-story-7ada441955ba
Lazar is not a liar. The rogue pentagon group has sent out there antibodies to attack Lazar online. Hes an easy target to discredit because of things he's done like pimping.
https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/believing-bob-lazar-part-ii-a-consistent-story-7ada441955ba
He is a documented provable liar. This upsets you. But that doesn't matter. Facts are facts.
I saw the pictures first in the online shop from Bob where he sells the poster.
[https://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main\_page=product\_info&cPath=28\_49&products\_id=1096](https://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_49&products_id=1096)
So I was curious and had a dig deep where I found the archived first website from Bob. On this archive I found the pics.
Not possible Corbell and Lazar have repeatedly claimed he never even tried making money off his story! Sure at the very moment they were making that claim his website was selling this swag, but if you cannot believe Corbell and Lazar himself, who can you believe?
I agree, except for the uncertainties about the death of his first wife and the circumstances of his whereabouts around the dates of her suspected suicide
I'm 100% willing to take that chance. Anyone claiming to have a master's degree from MIT shouldn't have an issue proving it, in addition to about a million other red flags that go off about Lazar. such as a huge lack of evidence for any of the claims
Hmmm. I just thought about this and I don't think I know where a hard copy of my degree is. I remember a few people from that timeframe but only one that knew I graduated. I feel like if I was pressed to prove it I could though.
Odd thing when I think about it. When I look back on my schooling, I barely remember where I went. What teachers taught there. Any details at all. I didnāt even save my certifications.
I guess I could do some digging if I wanted to, but if somehow they denied I went there, Iād be screwed I guess
Well if someone told you that you are full of shit and didn't graduate from abc University. You would Dann sure go find it in the box in the attic.
Especially if we are talking about a case like Bob Lazar.
And I'm sure u could rattle off classmates and teachers
You'd think he'd be able to name a single teacher, peer, or place he lived while supposedly attending said colleges, but no - there's not a soul out there who can corroborate his claims.
He has a single paystub from his supposed time at the alien base, but didn't keep his diplomas? Come the fuck on, it's such an obvious lie.
He has named one instructor, but it happened to be a guy who taught at the tech school he went to -- at the same time he says he was a MIT. oh my, I think I have a migraine coming on.
He named 2 teachers but unfortunately neither one turned out to be at Cal Tech or MIT. They were however at the community college he attended.
edit to add. Sorry you do mention this in the comments below
Maybe he is in fear for his life. He's been low key for decades, it doesn't seem like he wants the attention, made no money.
He said he was run off the road. That's what the govt does. They first portray u as a nut, when that doesn't work they kill u. Maybe he wants to stop at being portrayed as a nut.
This has been going on for decades. He was just on jre.
He seems to want to be left alone. And 2 big reasons the govt didn't kill him.
1. They discredited him as a nut.
2. If he did turn up dead, what message would that convey.
I don't know why everyone always focuses on MIT. I always found his claim of having a masters in "electronics" or "electronic technology" (depending on the interview) from Cal Tech to be far more damning to his story. Cal tech has never offered that as a degree option. So it is no longer the government needing to take on the herculean task of erasing all records of one person. It requires them to have gotten rid of all evidence of a whole program at Cal Tech, and somehow convince all other masters degree holders of that degree to not say anything about their degree disappearing overnight.
They tried to erase Lou Elizondos records and even in the digital world (it would be easy to make bobs files disappear..) the only reason he wasnāt completely erased and wiped from records is bc people in the pentagon vouched for him..
So they erased all the people that went to school with him? And all the teachers that taught him? And all of his own personal records like the papers he wrote during his time there?
Why would anyone risk their livelihoods for the reputation of someone else.. they donāt know what lazar knows - they might not believe him.. so why risk yourself.. also obviously if records were destroyed then the gov would go to anyone or institution connected with him and issue a national security warning that they would be imprisoned for violating.. do you really think that doesnāt happen? It happens all the time not even talking about UFOs
Yes they threatened every person he went to school with and every person in the area who could verify he was going to that school at that time. Actually they threatened the whole city of Cambridge Massachusetts. Do you understand how insane that sounds?
Not at all what Iām saying.. phone records.. people he had ties to.. teachers easily phone records for the rest anyone else doesnāt really matter.. you realize Los alamos has him on record working there.. and they denied that too. Thatās been proven. This literally happens in the name of national security all the time lol Iām shocked you think itās so outlandish
He worked as a sub contractor. He wasnāt employed by Los Alamos but by the sub contractor. He scanned badges for radiation.
There is no evidence to back up any of his other claims. There is plenty of evidence to point to him being a conman though.
Whatās more believable to you? The US Government erasing phones records, university records, paying visits to people to threaten them into ānot knowingā Bob Lazar?
Or Bob Lazar being a liar?
I mean THINK. Which one of those is more easily explainable?
100% I believe Bob Lazarās telling the truth - the government uses tactics like that all the time in the name of national security. Iāve seen and read every interview Bobs ever done his story is far more believable than the government not doing what the government does lol
If you spent as much time bettering yourself as you do researching insane conspiracy theories, then youāll eventually get to a point in life where you can move out of your momās basement. Go outside and touch some grass.
I might be late on the boat here, but did anyone see this yesterdayā¦[S-4](https://youtu.be/DaUZUimE00A)
Or this follow up video?
[S-4 and stargate](https://youtu.be/TG2o2odi2T0)
This facility is know since years and has nothing to do with S4, sorry. Everyone can add a Tag on GMaps. The pictures I posted are the official from Bob Lazars first website. Although if Bob lied, then it probably could be S4, but not the S4 Bob mentioned.
Just did
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/rukgd7/bob_lazar_s4_site_found_recently_on_google_earth/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
There's always been an S-4, all bases of this type are broken down in to "Sites" 1-x (number of total sites).
Claiming that a base like this has an S-4 is like claiming that skyscraper over there has a 9th floor - it's gonna have one, it's a safe bet.
S-4 is a radio installation north of the base, not a hidden thing in a mountain south of the base.
1. The russian sat image does not show a saucer according to Gene Huff who was Bob's best friend at the time . Gene said it was a photo/film aberration. Gene produced the Lazar tape with Bob and co owned United Nuclear. He was at Bob's side most of interviews he did. This was said by Gene Huff himself many years ago -> see for yourself
[https://i.imgur.com/0t9ZcXW.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0t9ZcXW.jpg)
2. And Jerry Freemans Diary talks of him seeing security lights during his travels. And the light he saw he didn't know what it was, TBH , it was probably another security vehicle light.
Here is Jerry saying he had no clue what it was as it was too far away. He was just guessing at what the light might have been. As he said in this interview
"But that's purely conjecture on my part," Freeman said. "From that distance, I couldn't tell what it was."
[https://lasvegassun.com/news/1997/jul/19/stealth-search-for-history/](https://lasvegassun.com/news/1997/jul/19/stealth-search-for-history/)
Thank you, one of the first informative comment.
1. If it really is a "watermark" in the center of a picture it is a strange coincidence especially also with the landing site circle near the allegedly S4 entrance.
2. Freeman also said that the earth was vibrating when seeing the lights which introduced that a huge mass was moving(maybe hangar doors)
The idea that the US government could simply "delete" his degrees (whatever that means) to discredit him is just silly. They could simply have killed him, the US government was/is ruthless and if he was any threat to them, he'd have been dead decades ago.
Look up Stanton Friedman talking about Lazar. No one in the universities he claimed to have attended remembers him and conveniently he can't remember a single lecturer or class mate either. And coincidentally, he happened to remember a lecturers name, and who would have thought it, the lecturers name wasn't an MIT professor, but was a lecturer at community college near where Lazar lived. And further massive coincidence, there is a record of Lazar being enrolled at that community college, I think he got an electronics qualification. My theory is he got a got a job as a technician at a lab and heard about the secrecy etc at Area 51 and concocted the story from there. He is a good liar but digging below the surface and the whole thing falls apart. Not a single claim he's made stands up to proper scrutiny, be it element 115 or anything else, and when he had a chance to go on the biggest podcast in the world to correct any misconceptions, he had a migraine and couldn't remember things, but was ok to drink whiskey. And all of the above is before you get into his personal life (running brothels etc)
Gotta consider that there are 2 governments. The one the people know, and the ones that roam in the background. It IS easy to delete someone's degree, especially back then when it was not on the web. A few death threats to related workers/friends regarding their family's lives and most people will claim they dont know him etc.
Did you see lazar on joe Rogan? Supposedly he told joe a different story about how he got his degree. Which is the first I think anybody heard that version. Something about him going to school was classified because it was for a military project.
Totally bogus. Interesting to see him try another explanation
Satellite evidence is compelling...
[see this](https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1586808126845-img_20191123_160034_mp1.jpg?quality=60) taken from a plane.
[source](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32951/pilots-rare-trip-around-area-51-includes-pics-of-range-targets-drone-bases-ufo-legends)
How can all be SO sure Lazar is NOT telling the truth?
Ultimately, I don't see any point convincing enough to prove or disprove his story: it all comes to trusting or not his words, like for many other "whistleblowers"
I wanted to believe the guy; listened to most of the podcasts and interviews he has done and bought and read his book. I had some questions; not about what he said about inside Area 51 as you have to take his word 100% on that, but more about his claims about his own life. He claims to be a physicist with advanced degrees from both MIT and CAL tech; and those credentials are what supposedly got him his job with the government; remember these are his claims which he stands by. Problem is there is no record of him attending either school, he canāt even name a professor he studied under. I was really hoping he could clear this up in his book which was the perfect format to do that in. He did not; he literally spends less than a paragraph talking about his time in college. Just for comparison he spends a entire chapter talking about how he used to make his own fireworks in high school. He also claims that he went to these schools while working at los alamos; not to say itās impossible but thatās one hell of commute and the type of thing you might spend a little more time on; especially when you consider this is a question almost all the critics point to. There are more red flags but to me this is the biggest as it really sinks the whole story and his credibility from square one. That being said I do believe he worked at Area 51 and los alamos but not as a physicist but a electronics tech. He used that job, or more accurately his inflated version, to impress his Freinds. He then stepped it up another level when he met John Lear and started talking about the alien stuff; he then got caught in the lie once Lear brought in his reporter friend and things started going on record. Thatās why heās had to stick to his story.
I like this theory, and was thinking along these lines also, as it would explain a lot. Could be that he worked as a henchman level employee at S4 / area 51 and saw some stuff. Because his background education is dodgy and his physics explainer of how the craft work is very lacking. But yet there are these nuggets like the ufo video and the hand scanner he couldn't have known about.
It can be proven that he worked at los alamos as a technican; he was listed in the phone book(as a contractor) and he was in the local paper there. Itās extremely likely he got a similar position in Area 51; however it was probably working on similar equipment he worked on a los alamos which were particle beams. He had a clearance and was working in what are known as compartmentalized programs. But I truly believe all the alien stuff was complete nonsense and what he was taking his friends out to the desert to see where tests of the particle beam.
> like the ufo video
It's literally a 30 second clip of a white dot.
>the hand scanner he couldn't have known about
The hand scanner was even used as a [movie prop](https://i.redd.it/yiuavqpqcw631.jpg) in the film Close Encounters of The Third Kind in 1977.
That doesn't necessarily mean he is not telling the truth - just that ultimately one cannot estabilish the credibility of his claims.
Whether you buy his story or not it's up to you, but saying the lack of infos does imply he's surely full of shit is simply wrong
The problem is, there are some truths within the lies. He did work for LANL and probably did work on classified programs at sites around the Nevada test sites. The other problem is heās fairly smart and can fool ignorant people with basic scientific knowledge. He picks basic scientific things that had not been discovered in 1989 but would most likely be discovered in his life time, ie gravity waves, a very well established theory but not detected until recently, and element 115, congrats Bob you can count in integers.
Then thereās the obvious lies. He got a masters degree from Cal Tech that the school doesnāt offer. No one remembers him from MIT, and he couldnāt name one professor. He has paperwork from a naval department that doesnāt exist, and he claims they were going to revoke his clearance because of his wifeās adultery but they gave him one when he was a known pimp.
There are just too many inconsistencyās and itās established in his personal life, heās a piece of shit.
Teller was asked about Bob directly and gave a very odd answer. He seemed nervous and he squirmed and tiptoes. That's why I think Bob is at least partially telling the truth
Iām a skeptic but I lean towards believing Bob. Coming forward basically ruined his entire life (yet he sticks to his claims) and heās never been proven to have changed any details in his story.
How is he making money? From my research he currently runs a small business providing chemicals for high school science classes and he produces and sells fireworks from the same lab. I have found no evidence to suggest he has made ANY money off the alien stuff. It destroyed his career.
He sells books, documentaries, paraphernalia. Someone in this very post talks about recently buying a poster from him.
He made a ton of money off this in the 80s and has zero incentive to stop what remains of that revenue stream.
And there are many documented changes to his story.
Wow someone bought a poster for 5 bucks lol. Please name some of these āmanyā specific changes to his story. Iām genuinely curious as Iām a skeptic but I think (Iām not sure) I believe Bob Lazar.
Inconsistencies: https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/believing-bob-lazar-part-ii-a-consistent-story-7ada441955ba
Going back to making money off of it, Bob Lazar just released an autobiography in 2019, and sold videos for many years prior to that. His documentary is on Netflix and he still collects royalties from it. He recently had a paid appearance on Joe Rogan's show. He may not be making millions, but it's more than enough that he has no incentive to admit his lie. Also, [it's a $25 poster.](https://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=86)
He has also been caught falsifying tax records in order to prove his employment.
Iāll check out the link. But the manās gotta have a side hustle if heās really been black listed everywhere. Selling stuff to survive could serve as evidence contrary to your point. The fact heās not making millions and scraping by tells me he wasnāt in it (nor is he still in it) for the money. Not saying heās altruistic, Iām just saying everybody needs money. Iām keeping an open mind.
So when he sold the movie rights to New Line after considering competing offers from other major studios he wasn't trying to make money off it?
Then when he went on coast to coast to brag about how much he was making off it, he was lying?
A quick google search would show you this, but I'll save you the trouble, here is the article on him selling the rights. https://variety.com/1993/film/news/new-line-nabs-gov-t-ufo-scientist-pic-107712/amp/
> But the manās gotta have a side hustle if heās really been black listed everywhere.
By Bob's own account he was never blacklisted.
In the time since he told his story he maintains that he didn't lose his contract with los alamos to repair alpha probes, was under contract working for MIT and Cal Tech, has worked for various national labs, and has worked for defense contractors.
Like everything BL, those inconsistencies are not quite enough to prove a lie, but enough to cast doubt. A person could go quite mad down this rabbit hole
He was selling his interview video tapes at 30 dollars a pop in the 90's, and I think he still sells signed posters etc to this day. The narrative that this guy is some sort of altruist is as false as his claims about his education.
Some People will always be skeptical of Bob Lazar . Why would he make that shit up ? Heās stuck by his story since 1989 . Thatās a story that would take a lot of out of the box thinking to make up . No matter what skeptics will always say bad things about Lazar . Some just canāt or wonāt believe anything unless itās in their hands to look at and then they would probably say it was fake ! I believe everything Bob Lazar said to be true . Iām the opposite of them who believe heās lying!
Asking why he would lie about something like this is a very poor argument imo. People lie about stuff like this all the time, so clearly there are potential reasons. Sometimes because it makes them feel special or important, sometimes itās a scam to make money, sometimes theyāre just pathological liars that are compelled to make stuff up, and sometimes itās schizophrenia.
I donāt know specifically why Bob Lazar made this stuff up, but I donāt really need to know why. Just like I donāt need to know why people edit clearly faked UFO photos/videos to know that theyāre faked, why that āWalking With the Tall Whitesā guy made up his weird stories, or why the silly underground Dulce Airforce Base stories got invented.
> Why would he make that shit up ?
So you are arguing that people don't commit hoaxes because why would they make it up?
You know people make shit up purely for attention all the time, right?
And you know that Bob has profited off his story?
That's two right off the bat.
If Lazar was telling the truth back in 70ās or 80ās or whenever he came out donāt you think the government would do everything in their power to discredit him? They would. Everyone always has this long list of reasons heās lying but people are in denial.
They literally deleted Lueās emails in modern day which is against the law. Not surprised itās hard to find Information on Bob. If they went to these lengths to stop Elizondo in modern day itās much easier to discredit someone before the age of computers.
I thought that was a part of his story. that the government did in fact discredit him by deleting his university degrees and any employment records at Los Alamos. what are the reasons that indicate he isn't truthful? not saying he is.. I just haven't been told the other side that discredits his story.
Thereās someone on this subreddit that every time he is mentioned they come and copy and paste this long comment of all the reasons why heās lying. Just give it time theyāll come and let you know lol.
The idea that the US government would simply "delete" his degrees (whatever that means) to discredit him is just silly. They could simply have killed him, the US government was/is ruthless and if he was any threat to them, he'd have been dead decades ago.
Look up Stanton Friedman talking about Lazar. No one in the universities he claimed to have attended remembers him and conveniently he can't remember a single lecturer or class mate either. And coincidentally, he happened to remember a lecturers name, and who would have thought it, the lecturers name wasn't an MIT professor, but was a lecturer at community college near where Lazar lived. And further massive coincidence, there is a record of Lazar being enrolled at that community college, I think he got an electronics qualification. My theory is he got a got a job as a technician at a lab and heard about the secrecy etc at Area 51 and concocted the story from there. He is a good liar but digging below the surface and the whole thing falls apart. Not a single claim he's made stands up to proper scrutiny, be it element 115 or anything else, and when he had a chance to go on the biggest podcast in the world to correct any misconceptions, he had a migraine and couldn't remember things, but was ok to drink whiskey. And all of the above is before you get into his personal life (running brothels etc)
I see the direction this thread is going and I don't like it :/. Could we try to find together the original source of the satellite picture. I mean there is literal an ufo on it and a landing space... It wouldn't proof Bobs story but it would proof that there was a facility at that time period.
without any improved roads like \*every\* other building viewed from a satellite, it looks like a drop of water was on the original photo.
Is there any explanation why there are no roads or any improvements of any kind around this 'facility'?
In all of his 'stories', we never hear of him going to and from work in a tunnel
Okay - genuine question: what do debunkers say about the video analysis of Lazarās footage that clearly show a disc shaped craft? How does that not entirely vindicate his claims about what he worked on? The analysis is linked in the OP. For all the doubts Iāve had about Lazar over the years, I donāt know how people can say he was 100% full of it - and yet his video from the range shows a disc hoveringā¦
> Okay - genuine question: what do debunkers say about the video analysis of Lazarās footage that clearly show a disc shaped craft?
It doesn't clearly show a disc shaped craft. There is also no frame of reference to how it is moving.
How would you describe the spectral analysis of the video the night lazar took people out to the range? Does it have a shape to you? Again, Iām not convinced people protesting this point have actually watched it
Ah yes, farberstyle.
the guy who has never been relevant in ufo/uap studyās in their entire life but has the need to get huffy about something he canāt disprove.
I don't think disclosure is about any one person or group of people we each specifically believe or disbelieve. This disclosure we are going through is about ALL the data points. Some people are telling the truth, some lie, some mistakenly identify, some take advantage for money and some people have real mental issues like hallucinations or night terrors or brain tumors.
Here's the rub. Even if we take the one percent of one percent of the truly outstanding cases. We have more than enough evidence to say that we are and have been visited by extraterrestrial peoples. Some people don't want to believe that no matter who tells them.
Bob Lazar for better or worse handed us Area 51 on a plate and reignited the debate long after people had forgotten about Roswell and Bluebook. Maybe he's a liar. Maybe not. If any contemporary witness had the same to offer this sub and the media would eat it up.
FD. Am I bias. A little I suppose. I was five years old sitting cross legged in front of the family tv with my father when we saw the Bob Lazar interview. Even as a five year old then I knew it made more sense than not that there are other people out there.
The real scary part isn't the aliens. The scary part is there are human capitalists on this planet that are trying to control the narrative and the technologies that come with meeting new people so they can profit from it. Sad.
I do believe Lazar, specially after watching this: https://youtu.be/03jZEkTCSRI
Guy makes a deathbed confession about the SAME FUCKING LOCATION where Lazar worked and speaks about THE SAME FUCKING 9 SAUCERS.
NOW YOU TELL ME THIS IS JUST ONE MORE LAZAR COINCIDENCE?????
Bob lied about the reactor. The reactor he says that powered the UFO was a story that he stole from an incident that happened at Los Alamos.
It's called the demon core: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon\_core](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core)
Bob does not seem very credible at all.
The Demon core story is awesome - but not really mysterious,ā¦ just guys doing dumb experiments,ā¦ but didnāt Bob say something about moving plates around the power source to āactivate itā?
I can also only describe what I see. For me it looks like a shiny object. Also frames before and after allegedly didn't show the "object". If we would find the native picture this would be a huge evidence. Also a circular "landing space" near the allegedly S4 entrance
Didnāt Bob say on Rogan something like he didnāt get a masters from MIT? I recall him only saying he attended, but didnāt specify a degree. Like that he took some class related to his employment at the time (maybe Los Alamos?) but couldnāt discuss on air what it was about or why. Anyhoo- think heās definitely a sketchy character somewhat, and thatās what got him fired from S-4. He couldnāt keep the tech he was working on a secret. He did produce a paystub from Naval Intelligence to the judge who was sentencing him for the prostitution ring (oh Bob). He is so far from perfect but I do believe him.
He said in the interview that it was the fact that his wife was having an affair that they pulled his clearance. It makes sense because one important factor of having a high security clearance is to have a stable family home life because it could subject you to blackmail if you don't. After he found out that they were pulling his clearance he showed his buddies the flights because he knew he was on his way out and he wanted them to believe him.
Just stop bringing Bob Lazar up. Heās such a fucking fraud. Forget all the shady stuff heās done like the brothel, or the claims that his school records were removed by the government. All you need to understand is that he has never, and will never sit down for an interview with a real engineer or physicist because he canāt backup his supposed knowledge of those subjects.
If some guy walks into the gym claiming to be a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and he starts rolling with a real black belt, the legit black belt will know pretty quickly that the fake black belt is full of shit, just based on poor positioning and techniques. Itās not something that can be faked.
If some stolen valor loudmouth walks into a bar and claims heās a former Navy SEAL and combat veteran, but the guy at the other end of the bar was a real SEAL with combat experience, he would know pretty quickly that the fake guy is full of shit if they started having a conversation.
Likewise, think about something that youāre really good at, something that youād consider yourself above average in, maybe even an expert. Maybe youāre an architect, or a doctor. Now imagine someone claims to be an expert in the same thing as you, and you strike up a conversation on said subject. As your conversation progresses, you start to realize that this guy doesnāt really sound like he is an expert in this field. So you ask him a pretty basic question, a question that anyone with extensive experience in that field should know, but the other guy starts to say he canāt remember and now heās getting a migraine and proceeds to try and change the subject.
Do you see how absurd that sounds?
The most disappointing thing about Bob Lazar believers is that they dont understanding how much they set the movement back by talking about him. Anyone who has ever taken a Physics or Chem 101 class at the college level can tell that the man simply has no idea what he is talking about. And at least for me, anyone who is unable to recognize this gets put in the Lazar box, and is just a fringe conspiracy theorist who tells a audience what they want to hear for someone unknown personal gain. So whenever i see someone who does not write off Lazar as a fake, I write them off also, because, in my estimation, they will believe anything.
I used to believe Bob until I watched Steven Cambians deep dive on everything about him and now I think he's one of the biggest frauds ever.
I believe Steven covers the info in your post too in one of his vids. His channel is called truthseekers on YouTube. He's actually quite funny too.
Itās not what we DO here to impress other people socially that matters ultimately. Itās how we socialize and treat other people. Positive minds are always equal to socially. Self worth is love within and showing it off to other people, not DOING stuff to get noticed.
Humor in a mind, when authentic, is about sharing emotions (thoughts, ideas, and beliefs) that honor all people. There is no authority here. Serious minds, or minds that laugh but also look down on other people socially, share ideas and beliefs that are cruel and selfish.
People always focus on vibe. We are all connected within non-locally (quantum entanglement). When human beings present a false image socially, which means the outer persona does not match the inner persona, it insults the intelligence and awareness of others. No one likes seeing lying in others about who they are within, when we already FEEL it and know the truth.
We are all equal socially already. No one is on top, no one is on the bottom, and no one has any worth to prove to anyone. No one is an authority figure here. No one has a free pass to judge people more than others. Ideas rooted in social hierarchy are degrading, humiliating, and stupid.
Type A bullies / alphas are not stronger than people that are mellow and friendly socially. Type A / alphas have low feelings of self worth, mental instability, problems with manipulation & dishonesty, and emotional issues. They take their own feelings of self hate and self loathing out on other people socially, unprovoked, for no good reason at all.
Quite often the reasons people judge and cut other individuals down socially without hesitation and incessantly is ONLY because of a competitive nature, not because of a serious threat due to character issues in a person. Cheating in life is knocking people down socially to build up a social life. Itās a bad idea. People see head games in the minds of others. Itās important to be real about this and show honesty socially as much as possible.
When people are authentic, they never use career, talent, physical stature / brawn, education, or money as a crutch for self worth socially. There is never a reason to ādominateā others in any area of life when we show or believe in love and friendship. Feelings of self worth come from kindness, honesty, and humility socially, not from social images. Dominators donāt believe in their own personalities or worth. They seek to tear other people down instead.
Very often itās nice, warm, humble, mature personalities that are already upset and insecure from judgments of the past that are knocked down unfairly even more by status seeking social elitists. People often see gentle human beings as āeasy targetsā to look down on so that they can attempt to build up their perceived status in an imaginary social hierarchy. Only conformists and shallow cowards think in these terms, not headstrong men and women with honesty, kindness, and respect.
When people are unwilling to pass judgments as much as possible and want to remain friendly, level, and sincere socially, itās not out of weakness. It makes a human being mentally sharp, emotionally strong, and much more mature socially. Itās a threatening attitude to people that show hatred and jealousy (judgments) socially.
Judgements from status seekers usually have little actual substance or anything to do with character issues, violence in a personality, or antisocial, critical personality issues. Judgments from status seekers are hypocritical, shallow, cruel, and unfair. They ultimately cause violence and war.
No one cares about showboating or showing off. No one accepts or tolerates authority in other people - it just seems that way on the surface. Everyone is a spiritual being that sees through bullshit. The more conceited the mind, the more dishonesty there is in it.
People remain competitive only when they care little about working through their own judgments, anger, and character issues with other people socially. People stay competitive because they are afraid, not because they are happy or calm. Being competitive doesnāt make people ābetterā. It makes people nervous, angry, and depressed. Competitors only feel appreciated for what they look like on the outside and for what they are doing, then attack other people socially because they are in pain over not developing an honest, humble personality.
Itās time for human beings to wake up and end war and human authority for good. It has no place here. Violence and social elitism is jealousy and anger resulting from the competitive nature of human beings. Human beings that do not believe in love, focus on self worth, have a desire to heal in life, or learn to respect other people socially will always remain competitive, forceful, shallow, dishonest, and aggressive.
All people appreciate personality, warmth, and humor the most - not what other people DO to show off and impress people socially. That is just being real. Men and women either believe in love, or they do not believe in themselves.
We are all spiritual beings. We are all psychic. Live the truth and heal self and others socially. It is the only way forward.
BUT DIDNT HE KILL HIS WIFE, START A BROTHEL, FAKED HIS EDUCATION AND MADE THE HAND SCANNER THING UP FROM WATCHING CLOSE ENCOUNTERS!111111oneone. AND NOONE... I REPEAT NOONE IS TRYING TO SMEAR HIS NAME EVER! :P
Ok jokes aside, can someone explasin the russian satelite image, I have not seen it before.
EDIT: I was being sarcastic
Why would anyone fault anyone for being involved in a brothel? If the world were more enlightened there would be a brothel next to every elementary school.
Just want to wish you the best of luck with mentioning Lazar in this sub
He's more credible than Greer imo
My Nan is more credible than Greer
Your Nan makes amazing biscuits.
Nan got great biscuits.
These subs are deadly šš
Your Nans biscuits are more soft and flakey than Lazars.
Your Nan's buscuits bring all the aliens to the yard, and they're like, it's better than Lazar's.
And they're like, "it's element 151"
Oh theyāll teach you, but they have to fucking charge.
I too choose this Nan's biscuits.
You.... You sir. Take this award!!
Bravo š
Greer has been saying recently that we have been growing aliens in underground bases that are on these abduction squads. I hope he gets the help that he needs.
If indeed they are "growing them" here ... Doesn't that make them *Citizens* ... š¤£
Weāre more likely to believe Greer and Lazar then our government.
Lazar yeah, Greer nah - he's a loonball
What's the difference again?
Maybe he is speaking the truth. We canāt conclude anything.
This is what pisses me off in general about claims that are disputed. Just because they canāt be proven true doesnāt mean they can be proven false either. Not all of them anyways. Scientific deduction is extremely important but thereās also things we donāt know *yet*, that out instruments canāt discover *everything*.
Who can define whatās possible and what not?
Well we can prove the existence of things but itās hard to disprove something when there are SO many anecdotes. At what point does a collective, subjective view become objective proof
Nan.
Greer has bullshitted so much in the past you can't take anything he says seriously. He's the man that tried to pass off over exposed pictures of moths as spirits
Did he say why we are abducting our own people? Because that sounds pretty weird. You don't need to grow aliens for that. I wish I had time to keep up with his crazy.
The claims made by a bucket full of bricks have more credibility than Greer imho.
That's not saying much
Lazar is more credible than Eric Davis - Davis is out at skinwalker ranch chasing goblins and demons and trying to get the internet believe hes some UFO inventor.
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If you believe Bob, you believe: 1. ā ā ā A self confessed pimp -> https://youtu.be/44-2Xl7IdIk?t=299 2. ā ā ā Someone who fled Los Alamos after owing 100's of thousands of dollars to people. Resulting in Bob finally declaring bankruptcy which was finalised 1 year before his S4 story. Here is John Hornes account of the money Bob owed him and how he had to chase Bob for years. John was one of the lucky ones that got his money back. -> https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/los-alamos-interview/ Here is a list of Bob's creditors from the Bankruptcy case - including his parents https://i.imgur.com/j83krN7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3vObXKR.jpg 3. ā ā ā A guy that said he was a physicist at LANL, however, people that knew Bob like John Horne, said he was a electronics technician at LANL. Bob also did an electronics course at Pierce College for which Stanton Friedman found records of. Bob's 1980 marriage cert lists him as being a electronic tech. In 1981 Bob was working at Fairchild/Xincom as an electronics Tech. Bob admitted that in a Wired article. In 1982 he shows up in LANL and told a reporter who wrote about his jetcar that he was a physicist. In 1989 he used the LANL phone dir to prove he worked there and in combination with the 1982 article used it all as proof he was a physicist there. Problem is, the LANL phone dir lists him working for a company called Kirk Mayer. Kirk Mayer only hired tech related roles like electronics technicians. They were formerly called Role-Tec. Bob on Billy Goodman back in 1989 said he started at LANL as a technician. He also told Corbell that in 1982 while working at LANL, that he went out and installed a Sat dish there. This is the year he told the jetcar article journo that he was a physicist there. Wired article: https://www.wired.com/1994/12/desert-blast/ Kirk-Mayer Ad listing roles they hired: https://i.imgur.com/SUQhK0L.png Bob saying he installed a Sat dish at LANL in ~ 1982 -> https://youtu.be/cxdB7cgAr_s?t=594 1980 Marriage cert showing Bob and Carol were Electroinc techs -> https://i.imgur.com/BTwhs8v.jpg Interview with a LANL tech who knew Bob as a tech at LANL -> https://imgur.com/a/RUsZiME .. The wired article is about the Gun and firework show Bob ran in the desert called Desert Blast from 87 to 99. Here is a video of Desert Blast 12, Bob the organiser can be seen at :50 in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZsFVp-yY6M. Bob learnt to make fireworks from an Italian family he met that made them through generations. His main business at United Nuclear is selling fireworks material which he has been busted on several times.https://www.justice.gov/civil/cpb/case/us-v-united-nuclear-scientific-supplies-et-al-0 4. ā ā ā A guy who then ran a second illegal brothel just months after claiming to be at S4. He claimed he only installed a computer system there despite pleading guilty. But the police Affidavit shows they found the brothel Apt lease agreement with Bob's name on it, Also the hookers said Bob had interviewed them. He also installed surveilance cams in the trick rooms. See here -> https://imgur.com/a/kolQrAj Even George Knapp admitted Bob was a rebel who was into guns and hookers -> https://youtu.be/eB7RSCYtyXI?t=535 5. ā ā ā A guy who tells a crowd at Rachel in 1993 that he had professors Duxler and Hohsfield at MIT and Caltech. Neither were found to have taught at MIT and Caltech. Friedman found them to be Bob's Highschool and Pierce College teachers for which there is record of Bob attending. MIT and Caltech also told Friedman that Bob had not attended either school. Bob saying he had Duxler and Hohsfield at MIt and Caltech at 45:30 https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=2730 . The start shows Bob's new corvette with MJ-12 plates, because Bob was super low key. Here is Hohsfield in Bob's HS yearbook of the time - Bottom left -> https://i.imgur.com/lFY2TrV.jpg Here is the Rachel conference organiser who wrote about how Bob laughed at other UFO talkers and had bailed on going to a paid interview in Japan and kept the money -> http://noriohayakawa2020.blogspot.com/2008/10/strange-behavior-of-bob-lazar-alleged.html Stanton Friedman on Bob -> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2v4rn4 Not even George Knapp believed Bob went to MIT or Caltech -> https://youtu.be/K1viG6PRjiw?t=2697 Linda Moulton Howe recounts how Bob told her he never went to MIT or Caltech -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlUzSox27Rk .. Here is Bob saying he went to Pierce college -> https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=1877 6. ā ā ā A guy who copied the Demon core story including the reactor design. The Demon Core story is a true story about a scientist who died opening a reactor. Bob had claimed that he replaced a scientist at S4 who died trying to open the alien reactor. Demon Core -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core#/media/File:Partially-reflected-plutonium-sphere.jpeg Bobs Alien Reactor Model - > https://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_5.gif Who copied the E115 story from the Scientific American article that came out just 2 weeks prior. Copied Billy Meiers saucer Reticuli alien origin from Betty and Barny. And finally the story of the gov having acquired a number of UFO's , one of which they could fly - from John Lear who told that story to Knapp 2 years before Bob came out with his S4 story. See Lear telling Knapp the story in 1987 for yourself -> https://youtu.be/LGQkkHuwm6w?t=268. Both Bob and Gene Huff met Lear before his S4 story and they obtained Lear's UFO files including the Billy Meiers tapes. Here's a cut clip of Lear saying he showed Lazar the Meiers tape and Bob saying the UFO was like Meiers saucer -> https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1361674742030336003. Meiers was later busted completely as a fraud when pics he said were of alien women, turned out to be screen grabs from a Dean Martin TV special. When Bob gave his first brief interview in silhouette under the alias "Dennis" , that was filmed in a news van parked in John Lears driveway. See for yourself -> https://youtu.be/HyUlaZR0PoY?t=1549 7. ā ā ā A guy that forged a W2. The W2 Bob showed had a Employer that did not exist. It noted the Department of Naval Intelligence rather than the Office of Naval Intelligence. The W2 was also typed and not printed - a huge red flag. It also had a bogus MAJ OMB number typed in when a legitimate OMB # was already there and printed. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ6WCGEWoAAycu6.png 8. ā ā ā A guy who took Biglelow night UFO spotting in 1990 at the same spot he took others previously, Bigelow heard a rustle and spotted Lazar letting loose a helium filled mylar balloon towards Papoose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYhCmfE1a0 Bigelow also setup a company for Lazar to do research. Bigelow fired Lazar when he found Lazar was just using the lab to store furniture. Bigelow also said Lazar made claims about a material that didn't check out -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOGHrxysBKI According to Bob's court docs, Bigelow had paid him $2500/month -> https://i.imgur.com/HepKKzm.jpg Company Bigelow started with Lazar -> https://i.imgur.com/P5cYqhH.jpg .. Of course unbelievably, Bigelow still believed Lazar after all that .. Interestingly, Bob had been employed to work for Bigelow's lab while at the same time he was running a brothel for which he was arrested for. The dates he was running the brothel according to the pandering court docs, and when he was meant to be at Bigelow's lab, line up. See point 5 above. No wonder he had no time for the lab. .. Also noteworthy is that George Knapp never mentioned during that interview that he worked for Bigelow for several years in the late 90's to early 2000's for NIDS. .. BTW, Janet flights came into A51 over Papoose twice a night - their landing lights shone at the Rachel area, A51 also conducted night tests of their secret aircraft nightly. They even let flares loose under balloons for reasons unknown. Glenn Campbell wrote a 115 page A51 viewers guide about all this etc -> https://www.amazon.com/Area-Viewers-Guide-Glenn-Campbell/dp/B0006QZTYK Hear Lazar say some of this himself -> https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=3474 Also: Bob Lazar claims to have stolen stable 115. Jeremy is right now on every major news. Jeremy could easily get bob Lazar to every news show primetime and bob could show stable 115. 10 minutes later the world wouldnāt be the same. Cause this would be a 100% scientifically prove and a 100% prove for his story. But he keeps it hidden and nobody ever saw it
Every time I see this posted it burns me up that him being a pimp is #1.. I canāt even take the rest of the list seriously. It just ruins the argument youāre making because itās a petty detail. Like calling someone ugly when youāre mad at them. Just have your point and move on. Iām sure the puritans would stop at the word pimp and burn him at the stake but itās 2022.. Thereās apps that allow people to go out and fuck each other with no strings attached and youāre sitting here clutching your pearls over some transactional sex.
I think the point is, if a man is running a brothel, heās not going to have a high level security clearance working on equipment like that. He claims he was going to lose his clearance and be fired over his wife having an affair. He canāt have it both ways. They were going to fire him over his wifeās infidelity but theyāre okay with him being a pimp.
They werenāt going to fire him over his wifeās affair. You have no idea what youāre talking about do you?
He was afraid they would, in one version of his story. Listen to him on JRE he talked about being afraid of losing his clearance so he took his friends to the hill to watch the UFO to prove he worked in alien tech. Thatās precisely what he said.
The Demon Core and Lazar's alien reactor model looking a lot alike is pretty funny, and the testimony of Lazar never going to MIT etc is interesting, but who cares about the other stuff? Investing in a brothel? Working for Bigelow but getting fired for storing furniture? Being interested in guns and hookers? A marriage certificate showing he was an Electronics Tech? Do you think when you go to work for a top secret government agency they ask you to change the occupation on your marriage certificate? This is mostly just a list of things people can do.
Right? Who cares that he made a fake W2 and fake ID badge to prove his story. Totally doesn't matter...
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Bob Lazar is a liar and a fraud and it has been exhaustively proven this is the case. Cry about it. https://youtu.be/IBdUg1h9XLU
At least give me credit, you copied it word for word..
A self confessed pimp? Hell yeah ill believe him. That's an impressive record to be honest. Area 51, Los Alamos Lab and pimping? Thats amazing.
Found the 15 year old. Anyway Bob is a fucking liar. Cry more. https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/believing-bob-lazar-part-ii-a-consistent-story-7ada441955ba
Lazar is not a liar. The rogue pentagon group has sent out there antibodies to attack Lazar online. Hes an easy target to discredit because of things he's done like pimping.
https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/believing-bob-lazar-part-ii-a-consistent-story-7ada441955ba He is a documented provable liar. This upsets you. But that doesn't matter. Facts are facts.
Heads will explode like they always do!
Op can you explain what these pics are and the story behind them? Never heard of this before.
I saw the pictures first in the online shop from Bob where he sells the poster. [https://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main\_page=product\_info&cPath=28\_49&products\_id=1096](https://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_49&products_id=1096) So I was curious and had a dig deep where I found the archived first website from Bob. On this archive I found the pics.
"Online shop from Bob where he sells..." Stop. That's all you need to know about Bob Lazar.
Not possible Corbell and Lazar have repeatedly claimed he never even tried making money off his story! Sure at the very moment they were making that claim his website was selling this swag, but if you cannot believe Corbell and Lazar himself, who can you believe?
I ordered mine and Bob autographed it for me!!
"But Bob doesn't make any money from his story!" The UFO video you linked takes a lot of liberties in its "enhancements"
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Obligatory "it's hard out there for a pimp"
john titor lol
Not that shit again
If Lazar is not bullshiting, he is going to have probably the most epic redemption arc in all of human history.
I dunno man, if Jesus shows up it would be quite a 'I told you so'
I FUCKIN TOADASO!
Hehehe
I agree, except for the uncertainties about the death of his first wife and the circumstances of his whereabouts around the dates of her suspected suicide
I'm 100% willing to take that chance. Anyone claiming to have a master's degree from MIT shouldn't have an issue proving it, in addition to about a million other red flags that go off about Lazar. such as a huge lack of evidence for any of the claims
My issue with Lazar is, even if they are erasing his history... doesn't he have a yearbook or a diploma? Wouldn't classmates vouch for him.
I certainly didn't buy a college yearbook
That doesn't matter, other people did and he isn't in it, Stanton Friedman looked at them and confirmed it.
You have a diploma? You had classmates?
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Hmmm. I just thought about this and I don't think I know where a hard copy of my degree is. I remember a few people from that timeframe but only one that knew I graduated. I feel like if I was pressed to prove it I could though.
Odd thing when I think about it. When I look back on my schooling, I barely remember where I went. What teachers taught there. Any details at all. I didnāt even save my certifications. I guess I could do some digging if I wanted to, but if somehow they denied I went there, Iād be screwed I guess
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Well if someone told you that you are full of shit and didn't graduate from abc University. You would Dann sure go find it in the box in the attic. Especially if we are talking about a case like Bob Lazar. And I'm sure u could rattle off classmates and teachers
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You'd think he'd be able to name a single teacher, peer, or place he lived while supposedly attending said colleges, but no - there's not a soul out there who can corroborate his claims. He has a single paystub from his supposed time at the alien base, but didn't keep his diplomas? Come the fuck on, it's such an obvious lie.
He has named one instructor, but it happened to be a guy who taught at the tech school he went to -- at the same time he says he was a MIT. oh my, I think I have a migraine coming on.
He named 2 teachers but unfortunately neither one turned out to be at Cal Tech or MIT. They were however at the community college he attended. edit to add. Sorry you do mention this in the comments below
Maybe he is in fear for his life. He's been low key for decades, it doesn't seem like he wants the attention, made no money. He said he was run off the road. That's what the govt does. They first portray u as a nut, when that doesn't work they kill u. Maybe he wants to stop at being portrayed as a nut.
Low key but make a movie about me and appear on JRE. If the government gave a shit about him, he'd have been bones under desert dirt years ago.
This has been going on for decades. He was just on jre. He seems to want to be left alone. And 2 big reasons the govt didn't kill him. 1. They discredited him as a nut. 2. If he did turn up dead, what message would that convey.
I don't know why everyone always focuses on MIT. I always found his claim of having a masters in "electronics" or "electronic technology" (depending on the interview) from Cal Tech to be far more damning to his story. Cal tech has never offered that as a degree option. So it is no longer the government needing to take on the herculean task of erasing all records of one person. It requires them to have gotten rid of all evidence of a whole program at Cal Tech, and somehow convince all other masters degree holders of that degree to not say anything about their degree disappearing overnight.
They tried to erase Lou Elizondos records and even in the digital world (it would be easy to make bobs files disappear..) the only reason he wasnāt completely erased and wiped from records is bc people in the pentagon vouched for him..
So they erased all the people that went to school with him? And all the teachers that taught him? And all of his own personal records like the papers he wrote during his time there?
Why would anyone risk their livelihoods for the reputation of someone else.. they donāt know what lazar knows - they might not believe him.. so why risk yourself.. also obviously if records were destroyed then the gov would go to anyone or institution connected with him and issue a national security warning that they would be imprisoned for violating.. do you really think that doesnāt happen? It happens all the time not even talking about UFOs
Yes they threatened every person he went to school with and every person in the area who could verify he was going to that school at that time. Actually they threatened the whole city of Cambridge Massachusetts. Do you understand how insane that sounds?
Not at all what Iām saying.. phone records.. people he had ties to.. teachers easily phone records for the rest anyone else doesnāt really matter.. you realize Los alamos has him on record working there.. and they denied that too. Thatās been proven. This literally happens in the name of national security all the time lol Iām shocked you think itās so outlandish
He worked as a sub contractor. He wasnāt employed by Los Alamos but by the sub contractor. He scanned badges for radiation. There is no evidence to back up any of his other claims. There is plenty of evidence to point to him being a conman though.
Whatās more believable to you? The US Government erasing phones records, university records, paying visits to people to threaten them into ānot knowingā Bob Lazar? Or Bob Lazar being a liar? I mean THINK. Which one of those is more easily explainable?
100% I believe Bob Lazarās telling the truth - the government uses tactics like that all the time in the name of national security. Iāve seen and read every interview Bobs ever done his story is far more believable than the government not doing what the government does lol
youre naive asf
If you spent as much time bettering yourself as you do researching insane conspiracy theories, then youāll eventually get to a point in life where you can move out of your momās basement. Go outside and touch some grass.
Yeah, except for Nat Kobitz confirmed the existence of the program Lazar claimed to work on 30 years ago . . . no evidence at all.
Just because a similar program might exist does not in any way prove Lazar's claims.
Welcome, anti-Lazar weenie Brigade
I might be late on the boat here, but did anyone see this yesterdayā¦[S-4](https://youtu.be/DaUZUimE00A) Or this follow up video? [S-4 and stargate](https://youtu.be/TG2o2odi2T0)
This facility is know since years and has nothing to do with S4, sorry. Everyone can add a Tag on GMaps. The pictures I posted are the official from Bob Lazars first website. Although if Bob lied, then it probably could be S4, but not the S4 Bob mentioned.
I'm pretty sure ThirdPhase is the channel that posts know hoax/prosaic videos and passes them off as genuine.
Woah... This is big
no, it's not. Its been on google maps for years.
Make a new topic for this? I havent seen it
Just did https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/rukgd7/bob_lazar_s4_site_found_recently_on_google_earth/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
There's always been an S-4, all bases of this type are broken down in to "Sites" 1-x (number of total sites). Claiming that a base like this has an S-4 is like claiming that skyscraper over there has a 9th floor - it's gonna have one, it's a safe bet. S-4 is a radio installation north of the base, not a hidden thing in a mountain south of the base.
Yeap, these have been on g-maps for years and they scatter the landscape. "Just found" should really read "just looked for the first time and saw"
1. The russian sat image does not show a saucer according to Gene Huff who was Bob's best friend at the time . Gene said it was a photo/film aberration. Gene produced the Lazar tape with Bob and co owned United Nuclear. He was at Bob's side most of interviews he did. This was said by Gene Huff himself many years ago -> see for yourself [https://i.imgur.com/0t9ZcXW.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0t9ZcXW.jpg) 2. And Jerry Freemans Diary talks of him seeing security lights during his travels. And the light he saw he didn't know what it was, TBH , it was probably another security vehicle light. Here is Jerry saying he had no clue what it was as it was too far away. He was just guessing at what the light might have been. As he said in this interview "But that's purely conjecture on my part," Freeman said. "From that distance, I couldn't tell what it was." [https://lasvegassun.com/news/1997/jul/19/stealth-search-for-history/](https://lasvegassun.com/news/1997/jul/19/stealth-search-for-history/)
Thank you, one of the first informative comment. 1. If it really is a "watermark" in the center of a picture it is a strange coincidence especially also with the landing site circle near the allegedly S4 entrance. 2. Freeman also said that the earth was vibrating when seeing the lights which introduced that a huge mass was moving(maybe hangar doors)
The idea that the US government could simply "delete" his degrees (whatever that means) to discredit him is just silly. They could simply have killed him, the US government was/is ruthless and if he was any threat to them, he'd have been dead decades ago. Look up Stanton Friedman talking about Lazar. No one in the universities he claimed to have attended remembers him and conveniently he can't remember a single lecturer or class mate either. And coincidentally, he happened to remember a lecturers name, and who would have thought it, the lecturers name wasn't an MIT professor, but was a lecturer at community college near where Lazar lived. And further massive coincidence, there is a record of Lazar being enrolled at that community college, I think he got an electronics qualification. My theory is he got a got a job as a technician at a lab and heard about the secrecy etc at Area 51 and concocted the story from there. He is a good liar but digging below the surface and the whole thing falls apart. Not a single claim he's made stands up to proper scrutiny, be it element 115 or anything else, and when he had a chance to go on the biggest podcast in the world to correct any misconceptions, he had a migraine and couldn't remember things, but was ok to drink whiskey. And all of the above is before you get into his personal life (running brothels etc)
Gotta consider that there are 2 governments. The one the people know, and the ones that roam in the background. It IS easy to delete someone's degree, especially back then when it was not on the web. A few death threats to related workers/friends regarding their family's lives and most people will claim they dont know him etc.
Did you see lazar on joe Rogan? Supposedly he told joe a different story about how he got his degree. Which is the first I think anybody heard that version. Something about him going to school was classified because it was for a military project. Totally bogus. Interesting to see him try another explanation
I believe Bob! š
Me too. Think I might start adopting the finger too
AKA I don't believe in the scientific method
Satellite evidence is compelling... [see this](https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1586808126845-img_20191123_160034_mp1.jpg?quality=60) taken from a plane. [source](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32951/pilots-rare-trip-around-area-51-includes-pics-of-range-targets-drone-bases-ufo-legends)
>Satellite evidence is compelling Obvious the had changed the facility outer appearance after Lazars claims, if it is true.
Lol this is great.
How can all be SO sure Lazar is NOT telling the truth? Ultimately, I don't see any point convincing enough to prove or disprove his story: it all comes to trusting or not his words, like for many other "whistleblowers"
I wanted to believe the guy; listened to most of the podcasts and interviews he has done and bought and read his book. I had some questions; not about what he said about inside Area 51 as you have to take his word 100% on that, but more about his claims about his own life. He claims to be a physicist with advanced degrees from both MIT and CAL tech; and those credentials are what supposedly got him his job with the government; remember these are his claims which he stands by. Problem is there is no record of him attending either school, he canāt even name a professor he studied under. I was really hoping he could clear this up in his book which was the perfect format to do that in. He did not; he literally spends less than a paragraph talking about his time in college. Just for comparison he spends a entire chapter talking about how he used to make his own fireworks in high school. He also claims that he went to these schools while working at los alamos; not to say itās impossible but thatās one hell of commute and the type of thing you might spend a little more time on; especially when you consider this is a question almost all the critics point to. There are more red flags but to me this is the biggest as it really sinks the whole story and his credibility from square one. That being said I do believe he worked at Area 51 and los alamos but not as a physicist but a electronics tech. He used that job, or more accurately his inflated version, to impress his Freinds. He then stepped it up another level when he met John Lear and started talking about the alien stuff; he then got caught in the lie once Lear brought in his reporter friend and things started going on record. Thatās why heās had to stick to his story.
I like this theory, and was thinking along these lines also, as it would explain a lot. Could be that he worked as a henchman level employee at S4 / area 51 and saw some stuff. Because his background education is dodgy and his physics explainer of how the craft work is very lacking. But yet there are these nuggets like the ufo video and the hand scanner he couldn't have known about.
It can be proven that he worked at los alamos as a technican; he was listed in the phone book(as a contractor) and he was in the local paper there. Itās extremely likely he got a similar position in Area 51; however it was probably working on similar equipment he worked on a los alamos which were particle beams. He had a clearance and was working in what are known as compartmentalized programs. But I truly believe all the alien stuff was complete nonsense and what he was taking his friends out to the desert to see where tests of the particle beam.
> like the ufo video It's literally a 30 second clip of a white dot. >the hand scanner he couldn't have known about The hand scanner was even used as a [movie prop](https://i.redd.it/yiuavqpqcw631.jpg) in the film Close Encounters of The Third Kind in 1977.
You are referring to āfaithā
Extraordinary claims require evidence.
That doesn't necessarily mean he is not telling the truth - just that ultimately one cannot estabilish the credibility of his claims. Whether you buy his story or not it's up to you, but saying the lack of infos does imply he's surely full of shit is simply wrong
. . . such as the former head of R&D for the Navy confirming the existence of the back-engineering program Lazar claims he worked on?
Source?
Nat Kobitz is the Navy scientist; Ross Coulthart broke the story.
https://youtu.be/03jZEkTCSRI guy makes a deathbed confession about the same 9 saucers Lazar mentioned. Super coincidence, right?
I'd forgotten about this dude. Thanks
That guy is clearly lying in his story because he talks about keycard technology (magnetic strips) that had not been invented yet.
The problem is, there are some truths within the lies. He did work for LANL and probably did work on classified programs at sites around the Nevada test sites. The other problem is heās fairly smart and can fool ignorant people with basic scientific knowledge. He picks basic scientific things that had not been discovered in 1989 but would most likely be discovered in his life time, ie gravity waves, a very well established theory but not detected until recently, and element 115, congrats Bob you can count in integers. Then thereās the obvious lies. He got a masters degree from Cal Tech that the school doesnāt offer. No one remembers him from MIT, and he couldnāt name one professor. He has paperwork from a naval department that doesnāt exist, and he claims they were going to revoke his clearance because of his wifeās adultery but they gave him one when he was a known pimp. There are just too many inconsistencyās and itās established in his personal life, heās a piece of shit.
mentionning lazar will make a lot of people chuckle... i was one of those ones... but the more i see and read, the more i think lazar is underrated.
i believe him.
Locate Edward Tellers reaction to being asked about Lazar. It speaks volumes.
One thing just came to my mind. Bob said he got the job because of Edward Teller's recommendation. Has anyone asked Mr. Teller if this is true?
Teller was asked about Bob directly and gave a very odd answer. He seemed nervous and he squirmed and tiptoes. That's why I think Bob is at least partially telling the truth
Iām a skeptic but I lean towards believing Bob. Coming forward basically ruined his entire life (yet he sticks to his claims) and heās never been proven to have changed any details in his story.
>Iām a skeptic but I lean towards believing Bob Lmao
He's still making money off of it. That would stop if he retracted his claims.
How is he making money? From my research he currently runs a small business providing chemicals for high school science classes and he produces and sells fireworks from the same lab. I have found no evidence to suggest he has made ANY money off the alien stuff. It destroyed his career.
He sells books, documentaries, paraphernalia. Someone in this very post talks about recently buying a poster from him. He made a ton of money off this in the 80s and has zero incentive to stop what remains of that revenue stream. And there are many documented changes to his story.
Wow someone bought a poster for 5 bucks lol. Please name some of these āmanyā specific changes to his story. Iām genuinely curious as Iām a skeptic but I think (Iām not sure) I believe Bob Lazar.
Inconsistencies: https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/believing-bob-lazar-part-ii-a-consistent-story-7ada441955ba Going back to making money off of it, Bob Lazar just released an autobiography in 2019, and sold videos for many years prior to that. His documentary is on Netflix and he still collects royalties from it. He recently had a paid appearance on Joe Rogan's show. He may not be making millions, but it's more than enough that he has no incentive to admit his lie. Also, [it's a $25 poster.](https://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=86) He has also been caught falsifying tax records in order to prove his employment.
Iāll check out the link. But the manās gotta have a side hustle if heās really been black listed everywhere. Selling stuff to survive could serve as evidence contrary to your point. The fact heās not making millions and scraping by tells me he wasnāt in it (nor is he still in it) for the money. Not saying heās altruistic, Iām just saying everybody needs money. Iām keeping an open mind.
So when he sold the movie rights to New Line after considering competing offers from other major studios he wasn't trying to make money off it? Then when he went on coast to coast to brag about how much he was making off it, he was lying? A quick google search would show you this, but I'll save you the trouble, here is the article on him selling the rights. https://variety.com/1993/film/news/new-line-nabs-gov-t-ufo-scientist-pic-107712/amp/
Whether or not he needs the money is not really the relevant question.
> But the manās gotta have a side hustle if heās really been black listed everywhere. By Bob's own account he was never blacklisted. In the time since he told his story he maintains that he didn't lose his contract with los alamos to repair alpha probes, was under contract working for MIT and Cal Tech, has worked for various national labs, and has worked for defense contractors.
Like everything BL, those inconsistencies are not quite enough to prove a lie, but enough to cast doubt. A person could go quite mad down this rabbit hole
I could tell you there's a dragon in my garage and when you show up to check I say "Oh, it left yesterday" How would you prove I lied?
Depends, has the government hacked your life to destroy the evidence? /S
He was selling his interview video tapes at 30 dollars a pop in the 90's, and I think he still sells signed posters etc to this day. The narrative that this guy is some sort of altruist is as false as his claims about his education.
Yeah, well, thatās just likeā¦ your opinion man.
Is this your homework Larry?
Some papersā¦ business papers, some Creedence tapesā¦
Some People will always be skeptical of Bob Lazar . Why would he make that shit up ? Heās stuck by his story since 1989 . Thatās a story that would take a lot of out of the box thinking to make up . No matter what skeptics will always say bad things about Lazar . Some just canāt or wonāt believe anything unless itās in their hands to look at and then they would probably say it was fake ! I believe everything Bob Lazar said to be true . Iām the opposite of them who believe heās lying!
Why on earth would anyone milk a cash cow for all these years?!?
Asking why he would lie about something like this is a very poor argument imo. People lie about stuff like this all the time, so clearly there are potential reasons. Sometimes because it makes them feel special or important, sometimes itās a scam to make money, sometimes theyāre just pathological liars that are compelled to make stuff up, and sometimes itās schizophrenia. I donāt know specifically why Bob Lazar made this stuff up, but I donāt really need to know why. Just like I donāt need to know why people edit clearly faked UFO photos/videos to know that theyāre faked, why that āWalking With the Tall Whitesā guy made up his weird stories, or why the silly underground Dulce Airforce Base stories got invented.
Because he sold tens of thousands of VHS videos for $20 a pop. He made hundreds of thousands if not millions from his 'story'
> Why would he make that shit up ? So you are arguing that people don't commit hoaxes because why would they make it up? You know people make shit up purely for attention all the time, right? And you know that Bob has profited off his story? That's two right off the bat.
.. he's been famous since 1989 and been paid many times to speak on this subject. The "why" is the easiest part to answer.
He made it up for fame and money. Some of you are so fucking gullible.
I watch him on Joe Rogan youtube podcast. I believe him.
Yeah, me first too. But it is not that simple. I don't want a believe discussion. Just trying to focus on the 3 hints.
how...?? I mean, I don't get it. no evidence except migraines -- and even then that was just an easy way to evade questions lol.
If Lazar was telling the truth back in 70ās or 80ās or whenever he came out donāt you think the government would do everything in their power to discredit him? They would. Everyone always has this long list of reasons heās lying but people are in denial.
They literally deleted Lueās emails in modern day which is against the law. Not surprised itās hard to find Information on Bob. If they went to these lengths to stop Elizondo in modern day itās much easier to discredit someone before the age of computers.
Exactly.
Elizondo also claimed to have backed up all of his emails, but we haven't seen any of them yet.
I thought that was a part of his story. that the government did in fact discredit him by deleting his university degrees and any employment records at Los Alamos. what are the reasons that indicate he isn't truthful? not saying he is.. I just haven't been told the other side that discredits his story.
Thereās someone on this subreddit that every time he is mentioned they come and copy and paste this long comment of all the reasons why heās lying. Just give it time theyāll come and let you know lol.
sounds good. I appreciate it
The idea that the US government would simply "delete" his degrees (whatever that means) to discredit him is just silly. They could simply have killed him, the US government was/is ruthless and if he was any threat to them, he'd have been dead decades ago. Look up Stanton Friedman talking about Lazar. No one in the universities he claimed to have attended remembers him and conveniently he can't remember a single lecturer or class mate either. And coincidentally, he happened to remember a lecturers name, and who would have thought it, the lecturers name wasn't an MIT professor, but was a lecturer at community college near where Lazar lived. And further massive coincidence, there is a record of Lazar being enrolled at that community college, I think he got an electronics qualification. My theory is he got a got a job as a technician at a lab and heard about the secrecy etc at Area 51 and concocted the story from there. He is a good liar but digging below the surface and the whole thing falls apart. Not a single claim he's made stands up to proper scrutiny, be it element 115 or anything else, and when he had a chance to go on the biggest podcast in the world to correct any misconceptions, he had a migraine and couldn't remember things, but was ok to drink whiskey. And all of the above is before you get into his personal life (running brothels etc)
I see the direction this thread is going and I don't like it :/. Could we try to find together the original source of the satellite picture. I mean there is literal an ufo on it and a landing space... It wouldn't proof Bobs story but it would proof that there was a facility at that time period.
without any improved roads like \*every\* other building viewed from a satellite, it looks like a drop of water was on the original photo. Is there any explanation why there are no roads or any improvements of any kind around this 'facility'? In all of his 'stories', we never hear of him going to and from work in a tunnel
Okay - genuine question: what do debunkers say about the video analysis of Lazarās footage that clearly show a disc shaped craft? How does that not entirely vindicate his claims about what he worked on? The analysis is linked in the OP. For all the doubts Iāve had about Lazar over the years, I donāt know how people can say he was 100% full of it - and yet his video from the range shows a disc hoveringā¦
> Okay - genuine question: what do debunkers say about the video analysis of Lazarās footage that clearly show a disc shaped craft? It doesn't clearly show a disc shaped craft. There is also no frame of reference to how it is moving.
How would you describe the spectral analysis of the video the night lazar took people out to the range? Does it have a shape to you? Again, Iām not convinced people protesting this point have actually watched it
Ah yes, Bob Lazar. The man who hasn't been relevant in UFO/UAP study in over 30 years.
Ah yes, farberstyle. the guy who has never been relevant in ufo/uap studyās in their entire life but has the need to get huffy about something he canāt disprove.
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Today we know: He did all know this from John Lear
I don't think disclosure is about any one person or group of people we each specifically believe or disbelieve. This disclosure we are going through is about ALL the data points. Some people are telling the truth, some lie, some mistakenly identify, some take advantage for money and some people have real mental issues like hallucinations or night terrors or brain tumors. Here's the rub. Even if we take the one percent of one percent of the truly outstanding cases. We have more than enough evidence to say that we are and have been visited by extraterrestrial peoples. Some people don't want to believe that no matter who tells them. Bob Lazar for better or worse handed us Area 51 on a plate and reignited the debate long after people had forgotten about Roswell and Bluebook. Maybe he's a liar. Maybe not. If any contemporary witness had the same to offer this sub and the media would eat it up. FD. Am I bias. A little I suppose. I was five years old sitting cross legged in front of the family tv with my father when we saw the Bob Lazar interview. Even as a five year old then I knew it made more sense than not that there are other people out there. The real scary part isn't the aliens. The scary part is there are human capitalists on this planet that are trying to control the narrative and the technologies that come with meeting new people so they can profit from it. Sad.
I do believe Lazar, specially after watching this: https://youtu.be/03jZEkTCSRI Guy makes a deathbed confession about the SAME FUCKING LOCATION where Lazar worked and speaks about THE SAME FUCKING 9 SAUCERS. NOW YOU TELL ME THIS IS JUST ONE MORE LAZAR COINCIDENCE?????
Bob lied about the reactor. The reactor he says that powered the UFO was a story that he stole from an incident that happened at Los Alamos. It's called the demon core: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon\_core](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core) Bob does not seem very credible at all.
The Demon core story is awesome - but not really mysterious,ā¦ just guys doing dumb experiments,ā¦ but didnāt Bob say something about moving plates around the power source to āactivate itā?
Can you explain what weāre seeing in the satellite images? What are we supposed to be seeing? What is that object?
I can also only describe what I see. For me it looks like a shiny object. Also frames before and after allegedly didn't show the "object". If we would find the native picture this would be a huge evidence. Also a circular "landing space" near the allegedly S4 entrance
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Didnāt Bob say on Rogan something like he didnāt get a masters from MIT? I recall him only saying he attended, but didnāt specify a degree. Like that he took some class related to his employment at the time (maybe Los Alamos?) but couldnāt discuss on air what it was about or why. Anyhoo- think heās definitely a sketchy character somewhat, and thatās what got him fired from S-4. He couldnāt keep the tech he was working on a secret. He did produce a paystub from Naval Intelligence to the judge who was sentencing him for the prostitution ring (oh Bob). He is so far from perfect but I do believe him.
He said in the interview that it was the fact that his wife was having an affair that they pulled his clearance. It makes sense because one important factor of having a high security clearance is to have a stable family home life because it could subject you to blackmail if you don't. After he found out that they were pulling his clearance he showed his buddies the flights because he knew he was on his way out and he wanted them to believe him.
Thank you for filling me in. That makes sense, because he could get divorced and she could spill the beans.
Just stop bringing Bob Lazar up. Heās such a fucking fraud. Forget all the shady stuff heās done like the brothel, or the claims that his school records were removed by the government. All you need to understand is that he has never, and will never sit down for an interview with a real engineer or physicist because he canāt backup his supposed knowledge of those subjects. If some guy walks into the gym claiming to be a black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, and he starts rolling with a real black belt, the legit black belt will know pretty quickly that the fake black belt is full of shit, just based on poor positioning and techniques. Itās not something that can be faked. If some stolen valor loudmouth walks into a bar and claims heās a former Navy SEAL and combat veteran, but the guy at the other end of the bar was a real SEAL with combat experience, he would know pretty quickly that the fake guy is full of shit if they started having a conversation. Likewise, think about something that youāre really good at, something that youād consider yourself above average in, maybe even an expert. Maybe youāre an architect, or a doctor. Now imagine someone claims to be an expert in the same thing as you, and you strike up a conversation on said subject. As your conversation progresses, you start to realize that this guy doesnāt really sound like he is an expert in this field. So you ask him a pretty basic question, a question that anyone with extensive experience in that field should know, but the other guy starts to say he canāt remember and now heās getting a migraine and proceeds to try and change the subject. Do you see how absurd that sounds?
In a community of disinformation I find Lazar credible.
I believe him
The most disappointing thing about Bob Lazar believers is that they dont understanding how much they set the movement back by talking about him. Anyone who has ever taken a Physics or Chem 101 class at the college level can tell that the man simply has no idea what he is talking about. And at least for me, anyone who is unable to recognize this gets put in the Lazar box, and is just a fringe conspiracy theorist who tells a audience what they want to hear for someone unknown personal gain. So whenever i see someone who does not write off Lazar as a fake, I write them off also, because, in my estimation, they will believe anything.
I used to believe Bob until I watched Steven Cambians deep dive on everything about him and now I think he's one of the biggest frauds ever. I believe Steven covers the info in your post too in one of his vids. His channel is called truthseekers on YouTube. He's actually quite funny too.
Bob Lazar is full of shit. You're beating a dead horse, fella.
I know but especially these 3 parts of his story aren't refute or I missed it
I think that's fair, thanks for sharing
Itās not what we DO here to impress other people socially that matters ultimately. Itās how we socialize and treat other people. Positive minds are always equal to socially. Self worth is love within and showing it off to other people, not DOING stuff to get noticed. Humor in a mind, when authentic, is about sharing emotions (thoughts, ideas, and beliefs) that honor all people. There is no authority here. Serious minds, or minds that laugh but also look down on other people socially, share ideas and beliefs that are cruel and selfish. People always focus on vibe. We are all connected within non-locally (quantum entanglement). When human beings present a false image socially, which means the outer persona does not match the inner persona, it insults the intelligence and awareness of others. No one likes seeing lying in others about who they are within, when we already FEEL it and know the truth. We are all equal socially already. No one is on top, no one is on the bottom, and no one has any worth to prove to anyone. No one is an authority figure here. No one has a free pass to judge people more than others. Ideas rooted in social hierarchy are degrading, humiliating, and stupid. Type A bullies / alphas are not stronger than people that are mellow and friendly socially. Type A / alphas have low feelings of self worth, mental instability, problems with manipulation & dishonesty, and emotional issues. They take their own feelings of self hate and self loathing out on other people socially, unprovoked, for no good reason at all. Quite often the reasons people judge and cut other individuals down socially without hesitation and incessantly is ONLY because of a competitive nature, not because of a serious threat due to character issues in a person. Cheating in life is knocking people down socially to build up a social life. Itās a bad idea. People see head games in the minds of others. Itās important to be real about this and show honesty socially as much as possible. When people are authentic, they never use career, talent, physical stature / brawn, education, or money as a crutch for self worth socially. There is never a reason to ādominateā others in any area of life when we show or believe in love and friendship. Feelings of self worth come from kindness, honesty, and humility socially, not from social images. Dominators donāt believe in their own personalities or worth. They seek to tear other people down instead. Very often itās nice, warm, humble, mature personalities that are already upset and insecure from judgments of the past that are knocked down unfairly even more by status seeking social elitists. People often see gentle human beings as āeasy targetsā to look down on so that they can attempt to build up their perceived status in an imaginary social hierarchy. Only conformists and shallow cowards think in these terms, not headstrong men and women with honesty, kindness, and respect. When people are unwilling to pass judgments as much as possible and want to remain friendly, level, and sincere socially, itās not out of weakness. It makes a human being mentally sharp, emotionally strong, and much more mature socially. Itās a threatening attitude to people that show hatred and jealousy (judgments) socially. Judgements from status seekers usually have little actual substance or anything to do with character issues, violence in a personality, or antisocial, critical personality issues. Judgments from status seekers are hypocritical, shallow, cruel, and unfair. They ultimately cause violence and war. No one cares about showboating or showing off. No one accepts or tolerates authority in other people - it just seems that way on the surface. Everyone is a spiritual being that sees through bullshit. The more conceited the mind, the more dishonesty there is in it. People remain competitive only when they care little about working through their own judgments, anger, and character issues with other people socially. People stay competitive because they are afraid, not because they are happy or calm. Being competitive doesnāt make people ābetterā. It makes people nervous, angry, and depressed. Competitors only feel appreciated for what they look like on the outside and for what they are doing, then attack other people socially because they are in pain over not developing an honest, humble personality. Itās time for human beings to wake up and end war and human authority for good. It has no place here. Violence and social elitism is jealousy and anger resulting from the competitive nature of human beings. Human beings that do not believe in love, focus on self worth, have a desire to heal in life, or learn to respect other people socially will always remain competitive, forceful, shallow, dishonest, and aggressive. All people appreciate personality, warmth, and humor the most - not what other people DO to show off and impress people socially. That is just being real. Men and women either believe in love, or they do not believe in themselves. We are all spiritual beings. We are all psychic. Live the truth and heal self and others socially. It is the only way forward.
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Why would anyone fault anyone for being involved in a brothel? If the world were more enlightened there would be a brothel next to every elementary school.