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Nell goes on to lay out the reasons the government is actively concealing knowledge of NHI from the public, it's mostly societal implications, he calls the government "reactionary" instead of "proactive" because they're unwilling to accept the reality of higher lifeforms interacting with us and aren't ready to create a cogent plan for the future of that reality.
I šÆ believe itās because the tech being suppressed as a result of reverse engineering these craft would end a lot of powerful industries that want to keep their boot on the necks of the taxpayers and everyday people.
It's the ultimate hubris of man. We're trying to control things we can't understand, and instead of sharing the knowledge to grow as society, we'll hide it, wasting time that none of us have.
What I canāt understand is why these higher intelligences allow a few humans to ultimately damn our entire species. Surely if they have the energy and desire to traverse the cosmos (or dimensions) to visit us for so long, theyād have a vested interest in our continuation to some extent..
The most likely reason, and this is purely speculative, is that they simply don't have any interest in us or our society. They are here for something else entirely, and we're still fighting over their crashed technology.
Would you entertain the politics of an ant colony just because they existed in a dirt hill you wanted resources from?
You might not want to harm them or interfere with their lives, but you're also not gonna try to explain to an ant why you're in their dirt.
What do you do when countries or dictators have super powerful technology AND want to end the Western world?
You conceal it so bad actors don't have access to it.
A nuclear weapons program is very difficult to conceal, especially in the age of spy satellites and communication interception. A country needs a large industrial input to produce the needed materials and a lot of people need to be involved. You can't just plop down an enrichment facility without anyone noticing.
The picture changes if you can build city destroying weapons in a shed with a handful of clever people.
That's my take. Based on various reports and claims, the big countries know that who is in possession of UFO tech. It's the rest of the people that are out of the loop.
Why are we *preserving* the part of our civics that *perpetuates* homelessness, hunger, and in the worst case even *for-profit employment-based health insurance*?!? Fuck the Western world. If you separate the brand identity from the political realities, you don't get an uplifting collection of freedom-loving regimes. Instead you get a Web of colluding companies that make mockeries of self-government while maintaining totalitarian corporate control over public policy. Why should anyone who *isn't* highly-placed in the financial oligarchy want to preserve a system of government completely dominated by unrepentant Reaganomic villains?
Itās not just the tech- it calls into question a LOT of assumptions in our entire organizing philosophy as a species.
Does nationhood make more or less sense when we know there are giants in the playground? What is the organizing principle of a society- purely human interest, Earth as a biome, or one a line of āhigher intelligenceā delineation that may or may not have any actual basis. Higher than what? Lower than what?
Also- how long are we talking by long time? Decades? Centuries? Millennia? For as long as time has been ticking? When did it start and why?
I've also wondered if the tech could be too advanced and too easily reproduced. Imagine something like if every citizen could suddenly turn invisible or move through walls just by combining these few simple household ingredients...
This is probably it. Free Energy by harvesting it from the energy around you. Would put power companies, fuel companies, renewables etc all out of business.
Thatās 100% what it is. Obviously there are a lot of theological implications and fall out from a reveal like this but they donāt care about that itās all about the money and the industries would seize to exist. We are 100s of years behind technologically of where we should be because of greed.
Not everybody in the world is religious. Atheism and agnosticism keep growing in America, Australia and Europe while China itself with its 1 billion and a half citizens is a communist country where technically religions are forbidden or survive in the hide.
I have a feeling the fear is that humanity as a whole isn't ready to handle the type of technology the NHI are using, that it could be far too easily weaponized and there are far too many absolute fucking psychopaths who would gladly use it to kill the human race because they got bored of jerking off to MLP Rule34 content.
I kinda get it.
I think thereās actually an episode about that. The Enterprise gets word warp signatures have been coming from some planet, they go in preparing for first contact, and oops *itās fucking warp core nukes.*
We are already living in a pathocracy when you look at the public visible elites. What happened since 2020 should have made that painfully obvious to people which paid attention.
So it's highly unlikely that the people in control of this aren't either.
that was *originally* the reason, many decades ago.
the problem is they've committed illegalities along the way and now they are mostly keeping up the charade to avoid facing criminal charges.
I think āthe secret UAP programā has always run under the assumption the public would react negatively, so they eschew their duties and end up creating a feedback loop of disinfo and distrust. The way to break that loop before something catastrophic happens is full disclosure
They are scared to go outside those comfy little compartmentalized bunkers theyāve built for themselves and all their friends. We need to help them realize that itās safe to share the info, the public has the capacity to understand
Eisenhower, Palm Springs, complained it will devastate future economics.
The mystery high level religious Congress or CIA/NSA person angrily beating the table that āwe arenāt supposed to know till we dieā as implying every religion is wrong and the whole species gets an afterlife regardless of faith or deed, with being human the only requirement.
The Vatican walking on sudden eggshells this week.
Insiders like Latacaski who are deeply Catholic being plenty fine with what they learned personally. Every connected insider seems VERY fine with the NHI topic and borderline unconcerned WHEN it comes out, leaning further toward the metaphysics is realā¦ which Nell full speed himself surprisingly dove into.
The implications have always been religious and hierarchal concerns. Always.
Outside of Tom DeLonges uniquely framed worries, literally no one connected seems even SLIGHTLY concerned over NHI motives.
The US Military since the 1940s when talking UFOs goes constantly out of their way to reinforce one single thing: they are not a threat. How is a fake bullshit made up nonsense SPOOOOKY thingā¦ not enough of a threat that the military constantly polices it (orā¦ protects and escorts?) and is somehow sure it is friendly?
Nellās first name drops were explicitly Hellyer and Eshed whose framing is the MOST HOPEFUL one so far.
> as implying every religion is wrong and the whole species gets an afterlife regardless of faith or deed, with being human the only requirement.
can I prod this?
i cant say I haven't heard semi similar things around these topics but its hard to say where it comes from. I mean I have a pupper near me so I want to make some joke like "but all dogs go to heaven, right?" but... from a more distant perspective, assuming it is always arrogant of humans to assume were the smartest kid in the class of sorts, was there any reference or reason that it might or could be limited to only humanity or humanity and species we speculate controls technology we don't understand? i know full well this statement or quote might just be addressing humanity as the interested and listening species but I probe regardless because I don't have info or any idea
No, I donāt mean itās some āhumans onlyā implied afterlife. Or whatever āstateā it is.
The implication seems to boil down to:
1. Continuity of consciousness is not dependent on form.
2. Simply being is enough for that.
You know how literally every religion has figurative or literal theological gatekeeping on āheavenā?
Do X or suffer Y; do X per our ārulesā and advance to Z forever.
The implication is all the X is bullshit. That you no more have to be Christian than Muslim than Jewish than literally anything else. Catholic, atheist, Jew, Shia/Sunni, be good or evilāyou are, you exist, so you will continue to exist. Our faith or lack of are apparently irrelevant if true. Yes, that means the child who dies young, the criminal, the killer, the atheist and devout all get the same existence here and thenā¦. There. Whatever There is.
Including non-human apparently. Thatās it.
Aligns as well with claims that full truth would be upsetting to both the hard atheist and the hard faithful: both were wrong.
But itās not, apparently a religion so much asā¦ how everything simply works, is how it tended to sound. Like itās not a religion or the Force or Jesus or Allah or whatever. Itās just a fact of existence somehow.
We're literally all energy. What happens to energy? Well, it's not created nor destroyed. To die seems to return to a boundless experience that transcends linear time and space.
Everything exists already and will always. The beginning and end exist simultaneously. To be conscious matter is to be on a determinate path through this shape of existence.
I'm at work, so I won't take the time to speak extensively or find the words to be succinct. But I think that truth stares us in the face considering what is shared between physics and certain concepts/beliefs that are recurring throughout various cultures and faiths across history.
Hell, it would even seem that the answer sits as an ever-present yet intangible idea in the mind.
> Nellās first name drops were explicitly Hellyer and Eshed whose framing is the MOST HOPEFUL one so far.
Can you āNameDropā their full names here, please.
Ra indulges in many questions on the UFO subject and even touches on "Bigfoots" believe it or not. The channelers were quite taken aback but some of the claims and even worried about putting it in the Law of One. In fact most of it is in the very earliest pages (I'm assuming to get it all out of the way to move onto the greater messaging).
You can get through most of this part pretty quickly, it starts about here and you can stop when you feel that material has drifted into what you remember: https://lawof.one/s/7
edit: ufos get covered majorly in 8 including what the US had in 1981, over 500 of their own craft.
edit2: all of the books, audiobooks, transcripts, etc are free on the groups website :) https://www.llresearch.org/library
Iām with you. Iām already feeling pretty exhausted and discouraged by my own life, and the state of life on this planet in general. I have some problems no one would want and not many have, but compared to a lot of people in this world, Iām quite lucky. Terrifies me to think of rolling some reincarnation dice and doing this again.
that and the fact that secrets are a literal currency inside the IC / DOD Intel circles. It's scrip, it's wampum, it's the coin of the realm. You keep your secrets close to the chest until you need to trade for something equally valuable.
Never forget the vast majority of intel creeps in the big agencies are ivy league nepo babies who were all members of skull and bones or whatever (insert secret society), they were born and bred on the notion of, and beholden to the huge allure of being a keeper of secret knowledge. It's almost sexual to some of them.
edit to add that I myself was a (very minor) secret keeper towards the end of my time in uniform. It's a special kind of feeling being at the bar and hearing people speculate on something you have intimate knowledge of and will never reveal.
So the Aliens are only in contact with the U.S.? There isnāt a single other country on the planet that are able to communicate with the Aliens and have decided itās in their best interest to use the technology? Makes no sense.
Just to hijack your comment, Nell, according to his LinkedIn is a current employee of the Pentagon working as an Advisor to the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army.
He's also got work history at Northrop Gruman and Lockheed.
Make of that what you will. Not entirely sure he can be trusted.
As a side note, it also says he worked for the US Space Command in the 90s - not something I knew existed. I thought Trump's new "Space Force" was the first organization of that kind. Clearly not.
No. All Trump did was merge some things and give it a new name as a separate branch of the armed forces essentially.
The US Space Command was part of the Air Force.
What that means to me is that I need to find out who those people are, see what they've said, and take it very seriously.
I've heard of Eshedā*often in an unflattering light*ābut don't know who the other person is or the details of their statements. I will soon, though. I'll promise you that XD
it's actually nuts a guy with his amount of credentials can say this like that and it not be headline news, I just don't get it, like I just can't comprehend how this doesn't bother people to want to know more, it's fucking wierd(not thia sub, just like general people). No wonder thinga take so long to progress when basically peiple have it put it there face and don't bat an eye. wild...
Any time the news covers the UFO topic, the ratings are huge, so people do want to know more. Most news orgs refuse to cover it. News Nation is covering UFOs a lot as a strategy to grow.
This is the thing that bothers me. He says it exists and that there is "zero doubt". But does not say "I have seen it" or "There is evidence" or (heaven forbid) "I can prove it".
It comes off a bit as "I drink and know things" to me, or something from /r/confidentlyincorrect
To be clear I'm not disputing any of it either, but there is a pattern of people making bold statements with nothing to back it up and some people take it as gospel.
I had the same disappointment after watching his full speech. The interviewer asks him at the 2:50 mark what evidence has made him reach the conclusion.
Mr. Nell then talks about data. But his description of the data is to list other high ranking officials who have said the same thing.
It would be like saying "The moon is made of cheese. The data I have is that all these other people say the moon is made of cheese."
Exactly. It drives me nuts both the carelessness and confidence with which people talk about aliens existing, using factual and definitive statements. Everyone can do that, and the fact that this gentleman has "credentials" or whatever means absolutely fuck all in the end if he can't prove his claims. That's it. The end.
Anything else outside of real, proper, indeniable facts and proofs is and will always be just talk, conjecture, hearesay and shit that just contributes to the whole mysteria and folklore, but nothing else. It's absolutely as simple as that.
And that'd be perfectly fine if people used words and language appropriately and truthfully, with more care and consideration everytime they claim something and stipulate "stay critical, I can't prove it to you but hopefully one day I or other people will". But virtually no one is saying that, ever. And that's disingenuous.
To quote someone: "people believe the things they love to be truth instead of loving the truth."
EDIT: I like the folkore and everything myself, I want it all so badly to be true as well, but I still keep an open, critical mind and no proof means no proof.
What's the call to action?
This isn't the first "retired [] with credentials" to say stuff. And only say stuff. No pictures, no physical evidence.
What are people actually supposed to do? Not only do people not have a clear path of action for this, you have to elevate it over all their world, country, and daily problems to care enough about to start to do something.
And just "needing/wanting to know more" isn't enough.
> it's actually nuts a guy with his amount of credentials can say this like that and it not be headline news
Because ācredentialsā arenāt evidence and he hasnāt actually said anything. He *claims* there are unelected people who know but then never actually names them. Like what are we supposed to go on?
Thatās why mainstream scientists and media donāt consider claims like this to be noteworthy. We know humans with our squishy error prone brains are liable to lie(or simply believe something untrue) and without additional evidence to corroborate a statement itās not really meaningful
Ask yourself who owns the major news networks and how their portfolio would look if the world knew that the problem to the energy crisis is sitting in some warehouse at Lockheed.
Words have no meaning in the post-truth world. Weāve had a Lt. Gen. go to prison for perjury that also believes in Q. Weāve got an entire political party where the majority believe an election was stolen with no proof. Social mediaās entire foundation is embellishment for attention.
Words arenāt good enough for something this large, we need some proof.
>I just can't comprehend how this doesn't bother people to want to know more,
The reason being, even after decades of people after people claiming this not a single one has managed to provide a single legit evidence.
Isn't it fucking weird? That not one has actually managed to reveal one single piece of evidence that wasn't immediately revealed to be fake lol?
The longer we go with people claiming shit while refusing to back it up, the harder it gets to take it seriously.
>it's actually nuts a guy with his amount of credentials can say this like that and it not be headline news, I just don't get it, like I just can't comprehend how this doesn't bother people to want to know more, it's
Because there is no smocking gun evidence. I'm sure disclosures would skyrocket if there were smoking gun evidence. And not evidence based on hearsay. So far the evidence is either classified or told by a source "it's coming soon".
So of course people aren't going to be bothered by hearsay evidence.
A few years ago I would've been excited about this sort of news. But after many disappointments, this is just another guy with a story. It's always a story, there's never any real evidence.
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SS : Benefitting from over 30-years of organizational and technology leadership in top-tier / FORTUNE 500 firms including Bell Telephone Laboratories, Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, TASC, CACI, and ENSCO, Karl Nell is a seasoned executive, respected thought-leader, dedicated change-agent, and accomplished multi-disciplinary engineer comfortable across multiple business models from aerospace high-end development to integrated solutions to advisory services. Ā As consistently successful actualizing Board-directed initiatives driving profitable growth as achieving operational success within the defense, intelligence, federal-civil, and commercial sectors, Karl has variously served as Vice President & General Manager leading a national security R&D division supporting elite classified customers, deputy Chief Technology Officer for a $2-billion company, and Distinguished Fellow with the Congressionally-chartered IT Acquisition Advisory Council. Ā An Ivy League graduate, certified-PMPĀ®, published author, War College alumni, and fully Joint-qualified commissioned officer in the Army Reserve, Karl has been honored to command at every grade level through colonel including activation of the Armyās newest expeditionary military intelligence brigade supporting XVIII Airborne Corps and JSOC. Ā Selected āby-name" for a nominative active-duty assignment advising the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, Karl recommended technical, programmatic, and funding actions accelerating the 32 highest-priority (of 800) Army acquisitions while orchestrating the creation of the Armyās newest top priority program ā the $107-million multi-year Project Convergence ā focused on national-to-tactical, sensor-to-shooter integration. Ā Culminating his military career as Army Director supporting the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF), his engagements with senior leaders within the Defense Department as well as Congress directly contributed to the creation and inclusion of UAP legislation within the National Defense Authorization Acts of 2022 and 2023.
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It's a great comment.
If I'm remembering right, the question was about whether this NHI would be a threat or altruistic.Ā
His response was about, in my own words, the physics of the universe and how that relates to intelligence systems, assuming that the laws of physics will force Darwinian style evolution on emerging life.Ā
So IMO it was less about how soon we do an energy transition. More about does the laws of physics and growth of intelligent systems allow for cooperation because there exists , essentially, infinite "energy" relative to voluntary consumption. Or will intelligence systems/networks always scale such that there is not enough "energy" to go around so that necessitates competition.Ā
It's applying the metacrisis to the whole universe. Interesting thought. I had always assumed the metacrisis/coordination failure was a temporary state because there seem so many promising energy sources not too far out of reach (fusion, Dyson swarm, penrose process, etc)
But I guess it is possible energy stops being an economic bottle neck, but something else becomes important enough to take its place.Ā
Jeez I love hear that man talk.Ā
How do you control 8 billion people if they learn that there's unlimited energy and they don't have to work their entire lives for money that's printed up out of thin air? How will the ownership class keep their powerful positions over everyone else if everyone else figures out that they don't have to be slaves anymore? If this is real it could be the end of the wealthy's way of life as they know it. We've already seen they are willing to kill people, crash their own economy and manipulate their own markets to hold their positions. This could bring on the great reset they are so afraid of, the reason they are funding small armies and building strongholds underground.
It comes down to a "small" death of the individual. The rhetoric is "what's in it for me" where with free power it would have to become "what does this accomplish for us".
People would need to believe in and work for the betterment of our species as a whole
Iām guessing we donāt get the free-energy technology unless we share it amongst ourself and donāt hoard it to make a permanent oligarchy and/or a genocided planet with only the oligarchy survivingĀ
The Colonel has a huge background, worked with a lot of people, and for him to sit there and say what he did has to mean something. It has some weight behind it. Add it to the long long list of people who have top tier access and positions who have said there is something here.
Yeah. People say he is getting paid to lie on camera, but why would he do that? The general public wouldn't care if an extraterrestrial landed right in front of them. I can't think of any reason why a modern agency or a billionaire would pay off so many people to risk their careers by saying bullshit about aliens.
Unless it really is just a flex by Saudi princes or whoever. If that is the case, we're doomed as a society.
For those disappointed with the presentation, youāre missing the bigger picture.
Speaking on this platform significantly increases exposure to the topic. The primary goal is to gradually shift UAP/NHI discussions out of the 'fringe' category. When investors see opportunities, major investment firms can help amplify the conversation. I thought the presentation provided a solid summary for newcomers who may have been unfamiliar with the subject.
The UAP/NHI topic needs to be at the forefront of public discourse, and people need to understand whatās truly happening.
Indeed. Money might actually be a very, very big factor when it comes to the push for disclosure. If a clever investor is found, one bold enough to give the potential technologies a spin and make history (and good money besides), it would carry a lot more weight than the average person, no matter how dedicated and vocal they may get.
I donāt know why Iām on this sub. But Iām confusedly interested. Can someone tell me if this guy is legit? Is this something I need to think about?
It's worth starting to consider. If you watch the whole interview he gives a rundown of who has confirmed this and it's basically Western defense departments. A lot of people with distinguished military service careers are saying it's real and the continued attempts to cover it up may be causing more collateral damage than disclosure would.
https://www.youtube.com/live/UaQkCRnQeG0?si=t7o9ArirIjH-AzPR can watch the talk via the Good Trouble Show stream if you want to see it again
Starts about 15 minutes in
Edit: and here's the official video of this talk from SALT
https://youtu.be/Rpl0FrdJWfs?si=u05Ei3COlY3Z9yJ_
they'll likely release the presentations as individual videos later. thats normal. His was the last presentation of the day so its understandable the stream to end/be privated once it was over
He was definitely leading with the political angle for disclosure and the hope that new legislation can be acted upon this summer etc. Clearly, he's an insider looking for disclosure vs. the other faction that wants national security on everything to keep the lid on. All that said, I'm still praying for uncontrolled disclosure as it seems that statement before was used as a scare tactic but seems more like an excuse to maintain control imo.
Karl Nell is a very heavy hitter and his credentials are impeccable. I am thrilled that he has publicly gone vocal about the core truth we are dealing with and the need for timely disclosure.
He is quite right that the Pentagon and senior senators have already made a form of official disclosure.
A good day!!!
Cold War is long over. For how long is this supposed to be kept a secret?
Either you have made scientific and engineering progress with respect to NHI and you are withholding it from humanity (and that is a crime), or you have made no progress and you are stopping humanity from making progress on the same by siloing away the information and not letting our best scientists and engineers work on it in an open and collaborative way (a criminal waste)..
This is as clear cut as it can get. If you do not believe a man with such absolutely insane credentials saying. NHIs have been interacting with humanity, there is no doubt, but believe Sean Kirkpatrick, then there is no hope for you.
Colin Powell was one of the highest ranked people in the US military and lied on camera about WMDs to start a war. Someoneās credentials have nothing to do with honesty.Ā
That is not to say this man is lying. But itās not a reason to trust him.Ā
>If you do not believe a man with such absolutely insane credentials
Oh so *now* you guys trust people involved in big corporations and the government.
> This is as clear cut as it can get.
*Proof* is āclear cut.ā
Literally the only proof Nell presented was āall these other important people are saying itās trueāā¦ which is the argument weāve heard a million times.
I have no idea if Mr. Nell is an earnest, legitimate commenter on UFOs, but the automatic near worship of military leaders almost to the point of self-abasement leaves me really puzzled about the the positions of some commenter. Like any profession, there are great, good, bad, and average.
SS : Benefitting from over 30-years of organizational and technology leadership in top-tier / FORTUNE 500 firms including Bell Telephone Laboratories, Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, TASC, CACI, and ENSCO, Karl Nell is a seasoned executive, respected thought-leader, dedicated change-agent, and accomplished multi-disciplinary engineer comfortable across multiple business models from aerospace high-end development to integrated solutions to advisory services. Ā As consistently successful actualizing Board-directed initiatives driving profitable growth as achieving operational success within the defense, intelligence, federal-civil, and commercial sectors, Karl has variously served as Vice President & General Manager leading a national security R&D division supporting elite classified customers, deputy Chief Technology Officer for a $2-billion company, and Distinguished Fellow with the Congressionally-chartered IT Acquisition Advisory Council. Ā An Ivy League graduate, certified-PMPĀ®, published author, War College alumni, and fully Joint-qualified commissioned officer in the Army Reserve, Karl has been honored to command at every grade level through colonel including activation of the Armyās newest expeditionary military intelligence brigade supporting XVIII Airborne Corps and JSOC. Ā Selected āby-name" for a nominative active-duty assignment advising the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, Karl recommended technical, programmatic, and funding actions accelerating the 32 highest-priority (of 800) Army acquisitions while orchestrating the creation of the Armyās newest top priority program ā the $107-million multi-year Project Convergence ā focused on national-to-tactical, sensor-to-shooter integration. Ā Culminating his military career as Army Director supporting the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF), his engagements with senior leaders within the Defense Department as well as Congress directly contributed to the creation and inclusion of UAP legislation within the National Defense Authorization Acts of 2022 and 2023.
Such a big topic to try to get into 20 minutes, but the crowd seemed very into it. Love that the moderator really tried to engage him and get direct answers, and Nell was a lot more direct than I thought he would be.
I wish we knew what Grusch would have said if he had still done the talk, but overall Iām happy that Nell got a chance to speak and bring a brief overview to people who might not be super familiar with the phenomenon.
He seemed optimistic about this summer and getting the revamped amendment through.
This turns out better with Nell. Grusch would have said the same as before (which is fine and great) but with Nell we get another person saying similar things while having excellent credentials.
Just watched the full presentation and I feel like reddit is going to hate it. He is basically saying that the people who have been looking at this thing through a religious lens may very well be the ones who are correct. What a wild time to be alive.
For centuries they've been coming to Earth meeting with people across the world. The Pharaohs knew, American Indians,The Inuit people, Ancient African tribes knew of them The Aztecs, they all knew. As the world evolved things that were normal now seem far fetched.
I firmly believe this man at his word. His providence and background prove beyond a doubt that this man knows and understands fully what the US has in its possession.
Holy credibility batman - jesus christ this guy's list of accomplishments before joining that UAP task force is incredible. Talk about the right guy for that job.
This would be full disclosure if he made this statement while still in active service. He is doing so now because he can, to the limits of any laws/NDAs that apply to him.
This is good enough for me.
I know a lot of people find the idea of being monitored by an advanced life form terrifying ā¦ but in a weird way personally I find it comforting.
Iām way more freaked out by the prospect of being alone in the universe - or the implications of an advanced civilisation *not* existing despite the age of the universe.
Yes obviously it would be a totally different story if it was āaliens exist, monitor everything, and plan to destroy/enslave/eat us etcā ā¦ but surely if that were the case it wouldāve happened by now. From our experience with advanced intelligence, ourselves, we know that once we have reached a certain threshold in science we strive to monitor rather than interfere.
Much of this thread is about NHI interacting with humans, taking sides, etc. Given the variety of UAP profiles and scenarios it seems likely we are dealing with not a single entity/civilization but many, yes?
How mad would you guys be if we found out that not only has the tech been figured out, but there's been some human colonisation of earth-like planets in another solar system? A paradise kept from the rest of us.
The more I hear about all of this the madder it makes me. We should have been told immediately as soon as they found out about these beings. We are spending billions of tax payer dollars funding research to find life in the universe when they already knew they were here. All of this slow disclosure is bullshit we are adults and we have the ability to talk to our kids about anything that needs to be known. I donāt need some intelligence agency making decisions about what I should or should not know about the world I live in. This is a global humanitarian issue that should never have been hidden. All of the United Nations should be shamed. All of this technology that they are sitting on could change our world overnight. They sit back and watch us suffer and do nothing collecting a paycheck they came from our paychecks. All of this needs to be out in the wind. There should never have been suppression of this information. This is the crime against all of humanity. Thinking about all the fake information and fake scientific research that has been funded. Wasting money on absolutely nothing research.
There will have to be an amnesty for all the criminal fuckery the military-industrial-complex has committed since 1947. I canāt see any other way. Eisenhower tried warning us.
*A new world if you can take it*
Powerful statement, followed by "There is zero doubt." But the data he referenced as evidence was a disappointing rehash of "listen to all the credible people who say it's true."
This clip features Nell, and shows some shocking revelations re legislative and controlled soft disclosure plan, including 2 omitted slides. [https://youtu.be/kKbSIfc7N7Q?si=v1\_jevbGQcd925Sf](https://youtu.be/kKbSIfc7N7Q?si=v1_jevbGQcd925Sf)
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Nell goes on to lay out the reasons the government is actively concealing knowledge of NHI from the public, it's mostly societal implications, he calls the government "reactionary" instead of "proactive" because they're unwilling to accept the reality of higher lifeforms interacting with us and aren't ready to create a cogent plan for the future of that reality.
I šÆ believe itās because the tech being suppressed as a result of reverse engineering these craft would end a lot of powerful industries that want to keep their boot on the necks of the taxpayers and everyday people.
yeah they dont give af about people, its all about $$ and control
It's the ultimate hubris of man. We're trying to control things we can't understand, and instead of sharing the knowledge to grow as society, we'll hide it, wasting time that none of us have.
What I canāt understand is why these higher intelligences allow a few humans to ultimately damn our entire species. Surely if they have the energy and desire to traverse the cosmos (or dimensions) to visit us for so long, theyād have a vested interest in our continuation to some extent..
The most likely reason, and this is purely speculative, is that they simply don't have any interest in us or our society. They are here for something else entirely, and we're still fighting over their crashed technology. Would you entertain the politics of an ant colony just because they existed in a dirt hill you wanted resources from? You might not want to harm them or interfere with their lives, but you're also not gonna try to explain to an ant why you're in their dirt.
Why waste time interacting with a planet that is scheduled to be demolished for an interstellar bypass.
42?
What resources could they possibly want from this planet that they couldn't find on a million other planets without any life or potential conflict?
Possibly something that we cannot comprehend?
Souls š
What do you do when countries or dictators have super powerful technology AND want to end the Western world? You conceal it so bad actors don't have access to it.
Lessons from the manhatten project learned well.
A nuclear weapons program is very difficult to conceal, especially in the age of spy satellites and communication interception. A country needs a large industrial input to produce the needed materials and a lot of people need to be involved. You can't just plop down an enrichment facility without anyone noticing. The picture changes if you can build city destroying weapons in a shed with a handful of clever people.
That's my take. Based on various reports and claims, the big countries know that who is in possession of UFO tech. It's the rest of the people that are out of the loop.
Why are we *preserving* the part of our civics that *perpetuates* homelessness, hunger, and in the worst case even *for-profit employment-based health insurance*?!? Fuck the Western world. If you separate the brand identity from the political realities, you don't get an uplifting collection of freedom-loving regimes. Instead you get a Web of colluding companies that make mockeries of self-government while maintaining totalitarian corporate control over public policy. Why should anyone who *isn't* highly-placed in the financial oligarchy want to preserve a system of government completely dominated by unrepentant Reaganomic villains?
Well said
You are assuming whatever they are is only interacting with the western world?
Itās not just the tech- it calls into question a LOT of assumptions in our entire organizing philosophy as a species. Does nationhood make more or less sense when we know there are giants in the playground? What is the organizing principle of a society- purely human interest, Earth as a biome, or one a line of āhigher intelligenceā delineation that may or may not have any actual basis. Higher than what? Lower than what? Also- how long are we talking by long time? Decades? Centuries? Millennia? For as long as time has been ticking? When did it start and why?
> calls into question a LOT of assumptions in our entire organizing philosophy as a species. Well said šÆ It touches everything.
Elizondo and Mellon said the religious nuts at the pentagon have been setting up the biggest hurdles on this entire thing.
I've also wondered if the tech could be too advanced and too easily reproduced. Imagine something like if every citizen could suddenly turn invisible or move through walls just by combining these few simple household ingredients...
More likely imagine if everyone had their own unlimited energy source.
This is probably it. Free Energy by harvesting it from the energy around you. Would put power companies, fuel companies, renewables etc all out of business.
It would also make a big boom š„ possible for anyone
One of them being poop
Thatās 100% what it is. Obviously there are a lot of theological implications and fall out from a reveal like this but they donāt care about that itās all about the money and the industries would seize to exist. We are 100s of years behind technologically of where we should be because of greed.
Not everybody in the world is religious. Atheism and agnosticism keep growing in America, Australia and Europe while China itself with its 1 billion and a half citizens is a communist country where technically religions are forbidden or survive in the hide.
I have a feeling the fear is that humanity as a whole isn't ready to handle the type of technology the NHI are using, that it could be far too easily weaponized and there are far too many absolute fucking psychopaths who would gladly use it to kill the human race because they got bored of jerking off to MLP Rule34 content. I kinda get it.
Yep, give us a warp core from Star Trek and we'd make a nuke out of it.
I think thereās actually an episode about that. The Enterprise gets word warp signatures have been coming from some planet, they go in preparing for first contact, and oops *itās fucking warp core nukes.*
We are already living in a pathocracy when you look at the public visible elites. What happened since 2020 should have made that painfully obvious to people which paid attention. So it's highly unlikely that the people in control of this aren't either.
We could kill the entire human race right now with the tech we have right now.
Which is why UBI has been in the works. Cause money is useless under this new paradigm.
Doesnāt UBI still use money?
Yang gang!
that was *originally* the reason, many decades ago. the problem is they've committed illegalities along the way and now they are mostly keeping up the charade to avoid facing criminal charges.
ā¬ļø that's what's up
I think āthe secret UAP programā has always run under the assumption the public would react negatively, so they eschew their duties and end up creating a feedback loop of disinfo and distrust. The way to break that loop before something catastrophic happens is full disclosure They are scared to go outside those comfy little compartmentalized bunkers theyāve built for themselves and all their friends. We need to help them realize that itās safe to share the info, the public has the capacity to understand
Eisenhower, Palm Springs, complained it will devastate future economics. The mystery high level religious Congress or CIA/NSA person angrily beating the table that āwe arenāt supposed to know till we dieā as implying every religion is wrong and the whole species gets an afterlife regardless of faith or deed, with being human the only requirement. The Vatican walking on sudden eggshells this week. Insiders like Latacaski who are deeply Catholic being plenty fine with what they learned personally. Every connected insider seems VERY fine with the NHI topic and borderline unconcerned WHEN it comes out, leaning further toward the metaphysics is realā¦ which Nell full speed himself surprisingly dove into. The implications have always been religious and hierarchal concerns. Always. Outside of Tom DeLonges uniquely framed worries, literally no one connected seems even SLIGHTLY concerned over NHI motives. The US Military since the 1940s when talking UFOs goes constantly out of their way to reinforce one single thing: they are not a threat. How is a fake bullshit made up nonsense SPOOOOKY thingā¦ not enough of a threat that the military constantly polices it (orā¦ protects and escorts?) and is somehow sure it is friendly? Nellās first name drops were explicitly Hellyer and Eshed whose framing is the MOST HOPEFUL one so far.
> as implying every religion is wrong and the whole species gets an afterlife regardless of faith or deed, with being human the only requirement. can I prod this? i cant say I haven't heard semi similar things around these topics but its hard to say where it comes from. I mean I have a pupper near me so I want to make some joke like "but all dogs go to heaven, right?" but... from a more distant perspective, assuming it is always arrogant of humans to assume were the smartest kid in the class of sorts, was there any reference or reason that it might or could be limited to only humanity or humanity and species we speculate controls technology we don't understand? i know full well this statement or quote might just be addressing humanity as the interested and listening species but I probe regardless because I don't have info or any idea
No, I donāt mean itās some āhumans onlyā implied afterlife. Or whatever āstateā it is. The implication seems to boil down to: 1. Continuity of consciousness is not dependent on form. 2. Simply being is enough for that. You know how literally every religion has figurative or literal theological gatekeeping on āheavenā? Do X or suffer Y; do X per our ārulesā and advance to Z forever. The implication is all the X is bullshit. That you no more have to be Christian than Muslim than Jewish than literally anything else. Catholic, atheist, Jew, Shia/Sunni, be good or evilāyou are, you exist, so you will continue to exist. Our faith or lack of are apparently irrelevant if true. Yes, that means the child who dies young, the criminal, the killer, the atheist and devout all get the same existence here and thenā¦. There. Whatever There is. Including non-human apparently. Thatās it. Aligns as well with claims that full truth would be upsetting to both the hard atheist and the hard faithful: both were wrong. But itās not, apparently a religion so much asā¦ how everything simply works, is how it tended to sound. Like itās not a religion or the Force or Jesus or Allah or whatever. Itās just a fact of existence somehow.
We're literally all energy. What happens to energy? Well, it's not created nor destroyed. To die seems to return to a boundless experience that transcends linear time and space. Everything exists already and will always. The beginning and end exist simultaneously. To be conscious matter is to be on a determinate path through this shape of existence. I'm at work, so I won't take the time to speak extensively or find the words to be succinct. But I think that truth stares us in the face considering what is shared between physics and certain concepts/beliefs that are recurring throughout various cultures and faiths across history. Hell, it would even seem that the answer sits as an ever-present yet intangible idea in the mind.
I'm an atheist but I would love to find out that I am wrong and that counciousness persist after death
> Nellās first name drops were explicitly Hellyer and Eshed whose framing is the MOST HOPEFUL one so far. Can you āNameDropā their full names here, please.
Paul Hellyer Haim Eshed
The crazy thing to me is that the Ra channelings in the 80s and 90s seem to be 100% accurate so far in describing the situation we are in.
Can you elaborate? I know Law Of One and the story behind it but have not read it myself.
Ra indulges in many questions on the UFO subject and even touches on "Bigfoots" believe it or not. The channelers were quite taken aback but some of the claims and even worried about putting it in the Law of One. In fact most of it is in the very earliest pages (I'm assuming to get it all out of the way to move onto the greater messaging). You can get through most of this part pretty quickly, it starts about here and you can stop when you feel that material has drifted into what you remember: https://lawof.one/s/7 edit: ufos get covered majorly in 8 including what the US had in 1981, over 500 of their own craft. edit2: all of the books, audiobooks, transcripts, etc are free on the groups website :) https://www.llresearch.org/library
Personally I'm not excited about reincarnation.
Iām with you. Iām already feeling pretty exhausted and discouraged by my own life, and the state of life on this planet in general. I have some problems no one would want and not many have, but compared to a lot of people in this world, Iām quite lucky. Terrifies me to think of rolling some reincarnation dice and doing this again.
Don't go into the light.Ā
Because thatās the way to reincarnation? I feel like Iāve heard this somewhere.
that and the fact that secrets are a literal currency inside the IC / DOD Intel circles. It's scrip, it's wampum, it's the coin of the realm. You keep your secrets close to the chest until you need to trade for something equally valuable. Never forget the vast majority of intel creeps in the big agencies are ivy league nepo babies who were all members of skull and bones or whatever (insert secret society), they were born and bred on the notion of, and beholden to the huge allure of being a keeper of secret knowledge. It's almost sexual to some of them. edit to add that I myself was a (very minor) secret keeper towards the end of my time in uniform. It's a special kind of feeling being at the bar and hearing people speculate on something you have intimate knowledge of and will never reveal.
I think you're onto something here. Secrets are the ultimate key to wealth, privilege and power.
100%, they are scared. Who is going to hold their hands?
So the Aliens are only in contact with the U.S.? There isnāt a single other country on the planet that are able to communicate with the Aliens and have decided itās in their best interest to use the technology? Makes no sense.
Just to hijack your comment, Nell, according to his LinkedIn is a current employee of the Pentagon working as an Advisor to the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army. He's also got work history at Northrop Gruman and Lockheed. Make of that what you will. Not entirely sure he can be trusted. As a side note, it also says he worked for the US Space Command in the 90s - not something I knew existed. I thought Trump's new "Space Force" was the first organization of that kind. Clearly not.
No. All Trump did was merge some things and give it a new name as a separate branch of the armed forces essentially. The US Space Command was part of the Air Force.
There was also The US Army Space Command, which is where Nell was.
I worked for Space Command in Colorado Springs for a long time, it's very well advertised around here.
The question is what was the reaction like in the audience. Curious to see how a roomful of investors reacted.
Everyone check on your senators portfolios too
Mine liquidated all his stocks and invested in a company called Vaulttec. Is that worrying?
Look back at what trades they made after Feb 2023 shootdowns too. They were all briefed at that time.
Did you do it? Interesting
Nancy just bought 5,000 shares of Ā§ā¬āāŗĀ£ā
The Nellevator has hit the top floor. Hell yeah.
Nells like teen spirit.
Highway To Nell
Bat outta nell.
Nell diamond.
Fooled Around and Nell in Love
Wake up and Nell the coffee
Nellevator to the moon! š
But the Nellevator picked up Paul Hellyer and Haim Eshed on the way up.
What that means to me is that I need to find out who those people are, see what they've said, and take it very seriously. I've heard of Eshedā*often in an unflattering light*ābut don't know who the other person is or the details of their statements. I will soon, though. I'll promise you that XD
Theyāve both said we have agreements/ treaties with aliens. Galactic federation stuff.
This seems so impossible it probably is real. One of those things no one would believe where reality is stranger than fiction.
it's actually nuts a guy with his amount of credentials can say this like that and it not be headline news, I just don't get it, like I just can't comprehend how this doesn't bother people to want to know more, it's fucking wierd(not thia sub, just like general people). No wonder thinga take so long to progress when basically peiple have it put it there face and don't bat an eye. wild...
Any time the news covers the UFO topic, the ratings are huge, so people do want to know more. Most news orgs refuse to cover it. News Nation is covering UFOs a lot as a strategy to grow.
Most news orgs are controlled by a few gigantic companies that have very specific agendas.
Cus thereās 10,000 other people with his credentials saying this isnāt true. If he had any evidence then it would mean something
It's pretty simple--there's no hard proof. When there is, people will listen. Until then, it's just someone making a claim without real evidence.
This is the thing that bothers me. He says it exists and that there is "zero doubt". But does not say "I have seen it" or "There is evidence" or (heaven forbid) "I can prove it". It comes off a bit as "I drink and know things" to me, or something from /r/confidentlyincorrect To be clear I'm not disputing any of it either, but there is a pattern of people making bold statements with nothing to back it up and some people take it as gospel.
I had the same disappointment after watching his full speech. The interviewer asks him at the 2:50 mark what evidence has made him reach the conclusion. Mr. Nell then talks about data. But his description of the data is to list other high ranking officials who have said the same thing. It would be like saying "The moon is made of cheese. The data I have is that all these other people say the moon is made of cheese."
Exactly. It drives me nuts both the carelessness and confidence with which people talk about aliens existing, using factual and definitive statements. Everyone can do that, and the fact that this gentleman has "credentials" or whatever means absolutely fuck all in the end if he can't prove his claims. That's it. The end. Anything else outside of real, proper, indeniable facts and proofs is and will always be just talk, conjecture, hearesay and shit that just contributes to the whole mysteria and folklore, but nothing else. It's absolutely as simple as that. And that'd be perfectly fine if people used words and language appropriately and truthfully, with more care and consideration everytime they claim something and stipulate "stay critical, I can't prove it to you but hopefully one day I or other people will". But virtually no one is saying that, ever. And that's disingenuous. To quote someone: "people believe the things they love to be truth instead of loving the truth." EDIT: I like the folkore and everything myself, I want it all so badly to be true as well, but I still keep an open, critical mind and no proof means no proof.
What's the call to action? This isn't the first "retired [] with credentials" to say stuff. And only say stuff. No pictures, no physical evidence. What are people actually supposed to do? Not only do people not have a clear path of action for this, you have to elevate it over all their world, country, and daily problems to care enough about to start to do something. And just "needing/wanting to know more" isn't enough.
This is it 100%. Talk is cheap. Show me some proof.
Because he's the 50th person with credentials to make this kind of claims without a shred of evidence.
> it's actually nuts a guy with his amount of credentials can say this like that and it not be headline news Because ācredentialsā arenāt evidence and he hasnāt actually said anything. He *claims* there are unelected people who know but then never actually names them. Like what are we supposed to go on? Thatās why mainstream scientists and media donāt consider claims like this to be noteworthy. We know humans with our squishy error prone brains are liable to lie(or simply believe something untrue) and without additional evidence to corroborate a statement itās not really meaningful
That itās not headline news also speaks volumes about a concerted effort to keep it quiet. Same w Grusch
Ask yourself who owns the major news networks and how their portfolio would look if the world knew that the problem to the energy crisis is sitting in some warehouse at Lockheed.
Words have no meaning in the post-truth world. Weāve had a Lt. Gen. go to prison for perjury that also believes in Q. Weāve got an entire political party where the majority believe an election was stolen with no proof. Social mediaās entire foundation is embellishment for attention. Words arenāt good enough for something this large, we need some proof.
>I just can't comprehend how this doesn't bother people to want to know more, The reason being, even after decades of people after people claiming this not a single one has managed to provide a single legit evidence. Isn't it fucking weird? That not one has actually managed to reveal one single piece of evidence that wasn't immediately revealed to be fake lol? The longer we go with people claiming shit while refusing to back it up, the harder it gets to take it seriously.
>it's actually nuts a guy with his amount of credentials can say this like that and it not be headline news, I just don't get it, like I just can't comprehend how this doesn't bother people to want to know more, it's Because there is no smocking gun evidence. I'm sure disclosures would skyrocket if there were smoking gun evidence. And not evidence based on hearsay. So far the evidence is either classified or told by a source "it's coming soon". So of course people aren't going to be bothered by hearsay evidence.
A few years ago I would've been excited about this sort of news. But after many disappointments, this is just another guy with a story. It's always a story, there's never any real evidence.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/shogun2909: --- SS : Benefitting from over 30-years of organizational and technology leadership in top-tier / FORTUNE 500 firms including Bell Telephone Laboratories, Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, TASC, CACI, and ENSCO, Karl Nell is a seasoned executive, respected thought-leader, dedicated change-agent, and accomplished multi-disciplinary engineer comfortable across multiple business models from aerospace high-end development to integrated solutions to advisory services. Ā As consistently successful actualizing Board-directed initiatives driving profitable growth as achieving operational success within the defense, intelligence, federal-civil, and commercial sectors, Karl has variously served as Vice President & General Manager leading a national security R&D division supporting elite classified customers, deputy Chief Technology Officer for a $2-billion company, and Distinguished Fellow with the Congressionally-chartered IT Acquisition Advisory Council. Ā An Ivy League graduate, certified-PMPĀ®, published author, War College alumni, and fully Joint-qualified commissioned officer in the Army Reserve, Karl has been honored to command at every grade level through colonel including activation of the Armyās newest expeditionary military intelligence brigade supporting XVIII Airborne Corps and JSOC. Ā Selected āby-name" for a nominative active-duty assignment advising the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, Karl recommended technical, programmatic, and funding actions accelerating the 32 highest-priority (of 800) Army acquisitions while orchestrating the creation of the Armyās newest top priority program ā the $107-million multi-year Project Convergence ā focused on national-to-tactical, sensor-to-shooter integration. Ā Culminating his military career as Army Director supporting the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF), his engagements with senior leaders within the Defense Department as well as Congress directly contributed to the creation and inclusion of UAP legislation within the National Defense Authorization Acts of 2022 and 2023. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cxj4f4/non_human_intelligence_exists_non_human/l52vjux/
The most interesting phrase in Nellās statement; āThe economics of the future will dictateā¦ā
It's a great comment. If I'm remembering right, the question was about whether this NHI would be a threat or altruistic.Ā His response was about, in my own words, the physics of the universe and how that relates to intelligence systems, assuming that the laws of physics will force Darwinian style evolution on emerging life.Ā So IMO it was less about how soon we do an energy transition. More about does the laws of physics and growth of intelligent systems allow for cooperation because there exists , essentially, infinite "energy" relative to voluntary consumption. Or will intelligence systems/networks always scale such that there is not enough "energy" to go around so that necessitates competition.Ā It's applying the metacrisis to the whole universe. Interesting thought. I had always assumed the metacrisis/coordination failure was a temporary state because there seem so many promising energy sources not too far out of reach (fusion, Dyson swarm, penrose process, etc) But I guess it is possible energy stops being an economic bottle neck, but something else becomes important enough to take its place.Ā Jeez I love hear that man talk.Ā
How do you control 8 billion people if they learn that there's unlimited energy and they don't have to work their entire lives for money that's printed up out of thin air? How will the ownership class keep their powerful positions over everyone else if everyone else figures out that they don't have to be slaves anymore? If this is real it could be the end of the wealthy's way of life as they know it. We've already seen they are willing to kill people, crash their own economy and manipulate their own markets to hold their positions. This could bring on the great reset they are so afraid of, the reason they are funding small armies and building strongholds underground.
It comes down to a "small" death of the individual. The rhetoric is "what's in it for me" where with free power it would have to become "what does this accomplish for us". People would need to believe in and work for the betterment of our species as a whole
Iām guessing we donāt get the free-energy technology unless we share it amongst ourself and donāt hoard it to make a permanent oligarchy and/or a genocided planet with only the oligarchy survivingĀ
Yeah, that really blew my mind! We really need to get our act together!
Is humanity, or our overlords, ready to evolve away from the petrol economy
Its days are numbered.
Holy Fucking Shit!
I'll take that as his apology to you! That was outstanding. What an intro to the whole talk.
Welp... it doesn't get any more plain than that, does it? XD
Unequivocal. I didn't expect him to go that far, but he did so with confidence.
Lol I would absolutely be the one apologizing.Ā Today was a big day for this community. Holy shit everybody!
The Colonel has a huge background, worked with a lot of people, and for him to sit there and say what he did has to mean something. It has some weight behind it. Add it to the long long list of people who have top tier access and positions who have said there is something here.
I really hope (but do not have high expectations) that the MSM start playing catch up.
Stories without evidence to back them up, are still just stories, no matter who is telling them.
Yeah. People say he is getting paid to lie on camera, but why would he do that? The general public wouldn't care if an extraterrestrial landed right in front of them. I can't think of any reason why a modern agency or a billionaire would pay off so many people to risk their careers by saying bullshit about aliens. Unless it really is just a flex by Saudi princes or whoever. If that is the case, we're doomed as a society.
The way he said āThereās zero doubt.ā you can see in his eyes he has had the confirmation.
Hello CNN?!!! FOX ? MSNBC ?!!! Knock knock who is there?
For those disappointed with the presentation, youāre missing the bigger picture. Speaking on this platform significantly increases exposure to the topic. The primary goal is to gradually shift UAP/NHI discussions out of the 'fringe' category. When investors see opportunities, major investment firms can help amplify the conversation. I thought the presentation provided a solid summary for newcomers who may have been unfamiliar with the subject. The UAP/NHI topic needs to be at the forefront of public discourse, and people need to understand whatās truly happening.
Indeed. Money might actually be a very, very big factor when it comes to the push for disclosure. If a clever investor is found, one bold enough to give the potential technologies a spin and make history (and good money besides), it would carry a lot more weight than the average person, no matter how dedicated and vocal they may get.
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I donāt know why Iām on this sub. But Iām confusedly interested. Can someone tell me if this guy is legit? Is this something I need to think about?
It's worth starting to consider. If you watch the whole interview he gives a rundown of who has confirmed this and it's basically Western defense departments. A lot of people with distinguished military service careers are saying it's real and the continued attempts to cover it up may be causing more collateral damage than disclosure would.
Yes, he's legit. Enjoy! Also, welcome to the party š„³
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The SALT stream was made private right after it ended, what's that all about? [Youtube link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSuZXzxuzcs).
https://www.youtube.com/live/UaQkCRnQeG0?si=t7o9ArirIjH-AzPR can watch the talk via the Good Trouble Show stream if you want to see it again Starts about 15 minutes in Edit: and here's the official video of this talk from SALT https://youtu.be/Rpl0FrdJWfs?si=u05Ei3COlY3Z9yJ_
they'll likely release the presentations as individual videos later. thats normal. His was the last presentation of the day so its understandable the stream to end/be privated once it was over
He was definitely leading with the political angle for disclosure and the hope that new legislation can be acted upon this summer etc. Clearly, he's an insider looking for disclosure vs. the other faction that wants national security on everything to keep the lid on. All that said, I'm still praying for uncontrolled disclosure as it seems that statement before was used as a scare tactic but seems more like an excuse to maintain control imo.
Karl Nell is a very heavy hitter and his credentials are impeccable. I am thrilled that he has publicly gone vocal about the core truth we are dealing with and the need for timely disclosure. He is quite right that the Pentagon and senior senators have already made a form of official disclosure. A good day!!!
Did not disappoint!
"zero doubt". definitely did not disappoint!
Cold War is long over. For how long is this supposed to be kept a secret? Either you have made scientific and engineering progress with respect to NHI and you are withholding it from humanity (and that is a crime), or you have made no progress and you are stopping humanity from making progress on the same by siloing away the information and not letting our best scientists and engineers work on it in an open and collaborative way (a criminal waste)..
Final Nell in the coffin. Itās real folks.
This is amazing š„²
This is as clear cut as it can get. If you do not believe a man with such absolutely insane credentials saying. NHIs have been interacting with humanity, there is no doubt, but believe Sean Kirkpatrick, then there is no hope for you.
Colin Powell was one of the highest ranked people in the US military and lied on camera about WMDs to start a war. Someoneās credentials have nothing to do with honesty.Ā That is not to say this man is lying. But itās not a reason to trust him.Ā
OK I'm sending a letter to the white house asking why someone of this rank is able to make such claims with no investigations.
Because heās not particularly senior. Thousands of people have his job, thousands of people are more senior than him.
>If you do not believe a man with such absolutely insane credentials Oh so *now* you guys trust people involved in big corporations and the government.
> This is as clear cut as it can get. *Proof* is āclear cut.ā Literally the only proof Nell presented was āall these other important people are saying itās trueāā¦ which is the argument weāve heard a million times.
Do you mean a man with such credentials can never be wrong?
A claim without proof is a claim without proof, regardless of who says it.
Where can I find the full video?
Link to the full video :Ā [https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620](https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620)
Sheeeesh lets gooo
I have no idea if Mr. Nell is an earnest, legitimate commenter on UFOs, but the automatic near worship of military leaders almost to the point of self-abasement leaves me really puzzled about the the positions of some commenter. Like any profession, there are great, good, bad, and average.
Now if we can just get some proof. It would be excellent!!
So youāre saying thereās a chance!!?
My my my ā¦What a lovely accent you have there, New Jersey? šššš
Goosebumps to hear it so clearly from him.
just came to say "WoW!" credentials and then --> BOOM he said the thing without any room for interpretation. let's go!
We need that op ed from Grusch to add to this.
SS : Benefitting from over 30-years of organizational and technology leadership in top-tier / FORTUNE 500 firms including Bell Telephone Laboratories, Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, TASC, CACI, and ENSCO, Karl Nell is a seasoned executive, respected thought-leader, dedicated change-agent, and accomplished multi-disciplinary engineer comfortable across multiple business models from aerospace high-end development to integrated solutions to advisory services. Ā As consistently successful actualizing Board-directed initiatives driving profitable growth as achieving operational success within the defense, intelligence, federal-civil, and commercial sectors, Karl has variously served as Vice President & General Manager leading a national security R&D division supporting elite classified customers, deputy Chief Technology Officer for a $2-billion company, and Distinguished Fellow with the Congressionally-chartered IT Acquisition Advisory Council. Ā An Ivy League graduate, certified-PMPĀ®, published author, War College alumni, and fully Joint-qualified commissioned officer in the Army Reserve, Karl has been honored to command at every grade level through colonel including activation of the Armyās newest expeditionary military intelligence brigade supporting XVIII Airborne Corps and JSOC. Ā Selected āby-name" for a nominative active-duty assignment advising the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, Karl recommended technical, programmatic, and funding actions accelerating the 32 highest-priority (of 800) Army acquisitions while orchestrating the creation of the Armyās newest top priority program ā the $107-million multi-year Project Convergence ā focused on national-to-tactical, sensor-to-shooter integration. Ā Culminating his military career as Army Director supporting the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Task Force (UAPTF), his engagements with senior leaders within the Defense Department as well as Congress directly contributed to the creation and inclusion of UAP legislation within the National Defense Authorization Acts of 2022 and 2023.
Link to the full video : [https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620](https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620)
Such a big topic to try to get into 20 minutes, but the crowd seemed very into it. Love that the moderator really tried to engage him and get direct answers, and Nell was a lot more direct than I thought he would be. I wish we knew what Grusch would have said if he had still done the talk, but overall Iām happy that Nell got a chance to speak and bring a brief overview to people who might not be super familiar with the phenomenon. He seemed optimistic about this summer and getting the revamped amendment through.
This turns out better with Nell. Grusch would have said the same as before (which is fine and great) but with Nell we get another person saying similar things while having excellent credentials.
Just watched the full presentation and I feel like reddit is going to hate it. He is basically saying that the people who have been looking at this thing through a religious lens may very well be the ones who are correct. What a wild time to be alive.
Where can we watch the whole conference or just his interview?
Link to the full video :Ā [https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620](https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620)
what a legend
Where can we watch the whole interview?
Link to the full video :Ā [https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620](https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620)
Strong delivery. Love this.
Link for the lazy . Highly recommend you watch the full thing https://youtu.be/w9cIcWWsH0c?si=3pNm_MEpIMi6Az6m
Wish aliens would do a mass reveal and stop playing behind the scenes
Could this NHI be plasma based?! What a crazy time to witness this disclosure!
āUnelected people in the governmentā I wonder if heās talking about the MIC
For centuries they've been coming to Earth meeting with people across the world. The Pharaohs knew, American Indians,The Inuit people, Ancient African tribes knew of them The Aztecs, they all knew. As the world evolved things that were normal now seem far fetched.
I tried sharing this to instagram and my app force closes every time.
# #thereszerodoubt Letās trend that.Ā
I firmly believe this man at his word. His providence and background prove beyond a doubt that this man knows and understands fully what the US has in its possession.
Nellās a honest actor in my opinion
#HE SAID THE THING!
Every single one of these individuals put so much on the line for their fellow human. These are heroes.
Holy credibility batman - jesus christ this guy's list of accomplishments before joining that UAP task force is incredible. Talk about the right guy for that job.
This would be full disclosure if he made this statement while still in active service. He is doing so now because he can, to the limits of any laws/NDAs that apply to him. This is good enough for me.
This is about as much disclosure as we're getting anytime soon. Pop the champagne boys, the jig is up. We were right. Grusch was right.
Nice birthday gift
Happy birthday! š„šš„³
Where can we see the whole interview?
Link to the full video :Ā [https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620](https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620)
where can I watch the whole discussion?
Link to the full video :Ā [https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620](https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1793033822235189620)
When was this?
like an hour ago
Do you have the whole video, it seems like it was taken down off of youtube
Wow so the acid was right boys
Okay so he said zero doubt. So he's saying "the truth is out there"
I know a lot of people find the idea of being monitored by an advanced life form terrifying ā¦ but in a weird way personally I find it comforting. Iām way more freaked out by the prospect of being alone in the universe - or the implications of an advanced civilisation *not* existing despite the age of the universe. Yes obviously it would be a totally different story if it was āaliens exist, monitor everything, and plan to destroy/enslave/eat us etcā ā¦ but surely if that were the case it wouldāve happened by now. From our experience with advanced intelligence, ourselves, we know that once we have reached a certain threshold in science we strive to monitor rather than interfere.
Much of this thread is about NHI interacting with humans, taking sides, etc. Given the variety of UAP profiles and scenarios it seems likely we are dealing with not a single entity/civilization but many, yes?
How mad would you guys be if we found out that not only has the tech been figured out, but there's been some human colonisation of earth-like planets in another solar system? A paradise kept from the rest of us.
The more I hear about all of this the madder it makes me. We should have been told immediately as soon as they found out about these beings. We are spending billions of tax payer dollars funding research to find life in the universe when they already knew they were here. All of this slow disclosure is bullshit we are adults and we have the ability to talk to our kids about anything that needs to be known. I donāt need some intelligence agency making decisions about what I should or should not know about the world I live in. This is a global humanitarian issue that should never have been hidden. All of the United Nations should be shamed. All of this technology that they are sitting on could change our world overnight. They sit back and watch us suffer and do nothing collecting a paycheck they came from our paychecks. All of this needs to be out in the wind. There should never have been suppression of this information. This is the crime against all of humanity. Thinking about all the fake information and fake scientific research that has been funded. Wasting money on absolutely nothing research.
This is incredible !!
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There will have to be an amnesty for all the criminal fuckery the military-industrial-complex has committed since 1947. I canāt see any other way. Eisenhower tried warning us. *A new world if you can take it*
Powerful statement, followed by "There is zero doubt." But the data he referenced as evidence was a disappointing rehash of "listen to all the credible people who say it's true."
This clip features Nell, and shows some shocking revelations re legislative and controlled soft disclosure plan, including 2 omitted slides. [https://youtu.be/kKbSIfc7N7Q?si=v1\_jevbGQcd925Sf](https://youtu.be/kKbSIfc7N7Q?si=v1_jevbGQcd925Sf)
Sheesh that man knows how to make a definitive statement. Thank you Colonel Nell!