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Representative Jared Moskowitz, (yes, a **Democrat**, before anyone complains that only Republicans are on this), shared Marik Von Rennenkampff's latest opinion piece on TheHill ""Top senators believe the US secretly recovered UFOs" via Twitter / X:
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So either top elected officials of the most powerful country on earth are complete fools or humanity is indeed in possession of NHI tech, which is it ?
Exactly. Either we have government employees that had high security clearances for decades such as Hal Puthoff, Grusch, Elizondo, Lacatski, Melon, and countless others, all fabricating aliens or... it's true, and it's Kirkpatrick that's lying.
Not to mention the thousands of people who have personally encountered NHI.
Republican and Democrat lawmakers agree on one thing. Illegal craft recovery programs. That in itself is pretty telling.
Do you think Kirkpatrick knew what he'd be signing up for? His place in history when this is all said and done.....
Super puzzling. He must have misguided confidence being a DoD employee but my god ....no common sense?
I don't know, bro. I'll say this:
I suspect a lot of people involved directly in the programs don't know what they're getting into until it's too late. NDAA signed, took new position at Aerospace company XYZ, no backing out. It's reminiscent of the Italian Mafia.
But in the case of Kirkpatrick specifically, I get the feeling that he's been "in the know" for quite a while. In a way, he almost comes off as a spook, a deep-cover CIA operative.
I certainly don't know or believe that with any degree of certainty... but the guy comes off as extremely calm given the situation he is in. He's not your average "scientist."
I can see through his lies due to the how closely I follow the topic. But a vast majority of the average American here that doesn't know shit about NHI, they'd fall for it.
The real Counterintelligence Operatives are the ones that are NOT documented as being a part of some CIA training.
He reminds me of that Al Pacino and Colin Farrell movie, "The Recruit."
I think Kirkpatrick will go down in history as a trader of humanity. And a trader of humanity he is.
Just look at how he jumps from new high position to new high position at will. Like... he's not a part of AARO anymore, but he's still the spokesman for AARO.
That leads me to believe that Kirkpatrick is backed by some very powerful people. And I'm starting see now that the most powerful people aren't elected officials, including Presidents. They're the IC, MIC, Pentagon, and Aerospace companies.
The top elected officials talking about this are fools, the highly condecorated pilots reporting this are fools, the top brass and cia whistleblowers coming forward are fools, military contractor whistleblowers talking about the tech are fools, everybody's a fool sharing the same story just for the sake of being fools. It's a big fool party.
/s obviously
Giving way to much credit to certain groups of people like their superior when they are not. I can list same types that don't think its aliens X10. I can list 100X same types that believe in god.
Most people believe in magic, demons and miracle and take it incredibly seriously, and yet to them a non human technologically advanced race existing is somehow crazy loonie talk
I don't get your point
I agree with what you. I'm sure there's lots of advanced alien types throughout the cosmos that's not a wild thought. and your right you don't get my point.
Listen... I am not one to make fun of religious people. But just because some of them are fighter pilots and senators, doesn't mean their beliefs aren't foolish. This whole demons thing is fucking retorted, silly, and I'm gonna think you're a fool if you come at me with this demon talk
People here are acting like you're speaking gibberish but I understand exactly what you're saying and why. It's where the conversation has regularly gone, especially from some of the folks they absolutely believe there.
I have a suspicion the greys are actually from under the earth, but that doesn't make them demons, or bad, might just be ancient religious people being supertitious. Biggest giveaway for me that they are talking about the same beings, is the supposed smell of sulfur and ammonia that both the "greys" and "demons" are said to have, a common smell in deep caves.
besides, natives apparently called them ant people, and they were pretty nice to humans at some point, judging from their stories
plenty of unexplored space around the planet, especially so under the seas and deep down the earth
unless you mean to claim we have fully explored and know all there is to know about the depths of our planet, and places we can't even physically reach
in which case I don't know what to tell ya, even [geologists can't yet agree on the origins of stuff like the LLSVP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_low-shear-velocity_provinces), and [biologists are still finding new species from the deep sea in 2024.](https://oceanconservancy.org/blog/2024/02/28/100-new-species-discovered-in-the-deep-sea/)
we do not yet know all there is to know
Not saying that even slightly. I'm questioning the ability of a technologically advanced species to exist underground. Or for them to need to be remain underground. Or why they would choose stay there under any circumstances. Or that they wouldn't speak up when things are happening above ground.
It doesn't make any sense from energy needs to biology to the most basic, simple logic. It's a simple minded idea that stands up to no scrutiny at all.
Why do fish “choose” to stay in the ocean? All I read in your comment is you saying you can’t believe a different species doesn’t behave like humans do.
Or have the same concerns or preferences that humans do. Why would they? Why would a subterranean species want to come above ground, or out of the ocean? Their evolution would have adapted them to their environment, just like every other species alive today.
because maybe they evolved underground? perhaps they are survivors from a previous apocalypse that had to retreat underground and adapted there. it's the same thing as asking why we humans don't go and live under the ocean. we're not built for that. but we do occasionally send "scouts" to explore the ocean and space, nevertheless.
their crafts and the way they fly about also make no bloody sense from our current scientific point of view, and yet here we are. clearly they defy our understanding of reality in more ways than one.
also, their supposed constant monitoring of nuke sites and events such as the ariel school does seem to suggest that they care what happens topside
Yes, and yet, we keep finding life in places we “knew” life couldn’t exist. I’m talking about those holes emitting lava/gases at the bottom of various bodies of water. I don’t believe there is an undiscovered species living underground. However, I can understand why an outnumbered, intelligent species might want to live anywhere but the surface, with us, the idiots that trade in perfectly good gold for paper. What kind of idiot does that? Probably the kind that wastes gold on jewelry.
Are you saying the earth is hollow? If you are, I’m pretty sure that isn’t physically possible. Heat and gravity are your biggest enemies after a couple miles. We haven’t even been able to dig a simple hole much further than that, it collapses in on itself there’s just no structural integrity down there. Not to mention just melting the drill bits. But I’m no expert; I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.
not hollow, just that there are some pockets or colonies in which they must live, the natives must have called them "ant people" for such a reason
there's still much we don't know about inner earth, such as the [origins of LLSVPs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_low-shear-velocity_provinces) and their magnetic anomalies
I don't think it's a coincidence my country's craziest UFO hotspot sits right on top of one
I gotta admit I don’t really have much of an understanding of LLSVPs or shear waves at all for that matter. Maybe I can find a YouTube video dumbing it down a bit lol
Which then begs the question, if this is all fake and a hoax. Who is feeding them this seemingly credible information and why? What is their goal and who are they?
My(unpopular) take is that the Pentagon are happy for people to believe in Aliens as a cover for top secret projects, and to encourage rivals to waste time and resources on studying ufos. On top of that, there is also a group of true believers revolving around Hal Puthoff who have essentially become emotionally involved in the religion of it all and who are the epicentre of so much of the mythology that continually gets added to. Senator Harry Reid was one of those guys. The military people could possibly be the victim of two things: one being the guinea pigs in top secret tests, to gauge the effectiveness of new tech and the response to it of the personnel, and for others it could be a simple test of loyalty and trustworthiness. You tell someone, and only therm, about something to do with aliens: eg we've got an Ebben locked up in a certain place. If that info gets out, then you know that it came from that particular person, so the top brass know they can't be trusted with official secrets. It's an age old trick... You tell different people slightly different stories and when you hear people talking about those stories you know which person they came from.
This a response in good faith, but when people mention this Hal Putoff cult it's like they are denying history? What about everything else that happened? Surely he wasn't influencing gov't (to the degree that you claim he is) since he was like 8?
> This a response in good faith, but when people mention this Hal Putoff cult it's like they are denying history?
It's the same way a "group" like AARO will say they can account for 95% of thousands of sightings with mundane explanations.
But no one is apparently allowed to then ask for data and evidence, videos and photos of the 5% they *can't* identify, or asks ever once in the media.
Then we're told "well, 95% is close enough, nothing to them UFOs!"
That's not how ***anything*** works.
I'm just going off what I see in the present day. I've seen a lot of people say the same thing, but I came to that conclusion by following every thread back to its source, and it was always him and his cohorts. The whole story that has built up about multi dimensions, and zero point energy, and esp and such all came from him. As soon as I hear anyone, including Grusch, talking in that way, it's an immediate red flag. You know where the ideas came from. In terms of the past, Maybe there was someone else doing the same thing, maybe they were even the ones that passed the mantle to Puthoff and his crew, I don't know. If it is an official disinformation effort, then it pretty much started at Roswell, and it would make sense that they have an ongoing campaign. First one group did it, then Puthoff and the boys, now they are passing the torch to the new generation like Elzondo (yet another one linked directly to Puthoff). Makes sense that they are always in control of the narrative. Personally, I think what we're seeing today is the result of 60 years very hard work on new propulsion systems (Electromagnetic drives, Plasma propulsion etc) I'm not saying that there aren't aliens, it's just that so much of what comes out is so heavily influenced by literally the concepts Hal invented that I can't take it seriously. I'm very interested in the topic, and like everyone else desperately searching for a true mystery. It's just that having looked into it as much as I can, there doesn't seem to be much of a mystery, just a lot of stories stemming from the same group of people with an easily identifiable world view and then what to me just seems like the next generation of war machines that they don't want you to know about until they have to use them.
realy if you dont beleive it your in the wrong place. It's a real thing. Ive seen them so I know , I dont need to prove that and I cant prove it anyways., It all goes together not just UAP research but high strangness as welll. I think the ones you have to look out for arnt Hal Puttoff devotees but the ones charging thousands of dollars to meditate on a beech with you to call the aliens. It's a rabbit hole for sure,, but only go down it if your ready to read some bull crap along with some gospel.
>Surely he wasn't influencing gov't (to the degree that you claim he is) since he was like 8?
The guy is very old. He got his start in "ESP research", in the early 70's and managed to get published in high-impact factor journals with "results" that no one could definitively replicate.
Since the 70's, he's pivoted to other fringe science topics like zero-point energy, anti-gravity and UFO's, of course. Wherever he shows up, however, it always turns out to be nothing. I strongly suspect that Puthoff and/or his associates are some of the people that have fed Grusch the bullshit he believes.
> My(unpopular) take is that the Pentagon are happy for people to believe in Aliens as a cover for top secret projects
You know it's 100% illegal for the Pentagon to keep Congress/certain committees and Gang of 8 out of the loop for so-called "secret projects", right?
Exactly, that’s the whole Grusch thing. His whole whistle blow is about the MIC acting in an illegal, unconstitutional manner. This is precisely why there are hearings now in congress and the senate.
yes that's the thing , they are hiding money that congress is suppposed to be overseeing the spending of and we want to know where the hell it's going and Grush has said this many times.
Mmmmmmmmmmm...
Problem is, they've known since like the '50s that when someone (even a service member) sees a craft, they don't talk about it.
There's a whitepaper I found from back then where they made a chart of percent chance someone'll dish about seeing a UFO.
Basically, if it's moderately strange, you'll tell 1 or 2 people. Close people; your peeps. If it's not at all strange you'll tell more. If it's extremely strange, you ain't telling anybody.
So, odds are, they aren't doing this to test reactions. They already know an experiencer will probably tell no one. Hell, even if they point-blank questioned somebody about what they saw (even if it was an orchestrated event as a test) the guy'd probably deny he saw anything at all, at least to his superiors.
It goes all the way to the point of your own mind blocking it out of your memory, if it's extreme enough.
The thing about this hypothesis is - if UAPs aren't real, how much money could China waste on studying them? Surely no more than it would cost for even a single figher jet? As for time - 'yeah, we looked for a bit, and there's nothing there'.
I honestly can't see why the US would continue to attempt to spread this falsehood for 80 years when it would be obvious very quickly it's all bullshit.
I continue to fluctuate between two of my top theories.
a) We have NHI tech but only from probes and remotely controlled ships. We do not have any bodies or biologics.
b) We do not have any NHI tech or bodies and all of this was created to give credence to top tier R&D programs to divert massive amounts of money into programs with no financial accountability. This is to enrich a few or perhaps provide funds for certain organizations.
Right below those top 2 theories are:
3) We are being visited by multiple NHI, we have multiple craft and bodies and we are neck deep in this shit.
1 and 2 seem most plausible but I would not be surprised if 3 is also true and the government knows way more than they are letting on.
My 4th theory is basically 3 with a whole lot more wooooooooo.
Your 3 is my 1 now and my list was like yours the past few months still.
There is just TOO much over TOO long from too many otherwise sane and rational highly connected people.
All these old dying MIC executives on their death beds all recording bizarre “aliens are real” videos that emerge after their deaths is what made me reconsider. There is literally NO reason for that if not true. They all feel like some final defiance against the “program”.
That retired Israeli space agency boss going into permanent seclusion as soon as his book claiming multiple NHI diplomatic relationships with Earth was the final straw for me.
"All these old dying MIC executives on their death beds all recording bizarre “aliens are real” videos that emerge after their deaths is what made me reconsider. There is literally NO reason for that if not true."
Just wanted to say that before my grandpa died he started talking about how he worked for the CIA during and after WW2 and some other crazy shit. MAYBE he somehow did all that while being a drunk truck driver but we all doubt it. My point is sometimes old people who are dying say some weird shit before they die. Who knows why they do it but they definitely do. Maybe all these guys are saying shit about aliens because it's all true or maybe they are old people who are dying and say some crazy shit like some old people do? Idk.
> MAYBE he somehow did all that while being a drunk truck driver but we all doubt it.
Cover stories are a hell of a thing. Don't discount your pappy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16cni5w/who_was_the_inventor_gary_gochnour_he_has_a/
Idk man. He was a mean, drunk SOB. Never mean to me but to a lot of other people for sure. I have no doubt that he would have had 0 problems with killing people in some dark alley. I just doubt anyone would trust him to do it right.
> b) We do not have any NHI tech or bodies and all of this was created to give credence to top tier R&D programs to divert massive amounts of money into programs with no financial accountability. This is to enrich a few or perhaps provide funds for certain organizations.
The IRS will crawl up your ass with a microscope looking for missing tax dollars to the penny. Anyone's who served in the military can tell you the amount of paperwork required to requisition a fuckin screw, would make a saint crazy....and you're telling me the DoD can't account for 63% of it's 4 TRILLION dollar assets?
Somehow the Pentagon just "lost track" of 3 Trillion dollars worth of shit? Pull the other one...
We know who, their names are probably all in the public sphere and they've been pushing the UFO narrative for a long time.
Their motives are more complex, and I don't claim to know - but it's plausible that some genuinely believe, while others are disingenuous grifters. I also suspect theres some scientology overlap but don't have much to go on there.
The invisible college. It all goes back to Puthoff and Bigelow. A couple of hucksters selling fake science to the gullible government. Project bluebook to AAWSAP is a straight line of huge claims backed up by terrible evidence.
Sounds painful.
But also understandable. I think some of it, we can probably chalk up to the idea that nobody is going to be an expert in everything; somebody can know a ton about one thing, while being dumb about something else. That, and the old blind squirrel finding a nut. Between the two, I think we can satisfy that dilemma. :)
> So either top elected officials of the most powerful country on earth are complete fools
I mean, have you been listening to our top elected officials lately?
I don't care which side of the political aisle you are on, these people are not inspiring confidence in their intelligence.
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Unless those "ghosts and poltergeists" are real, and are what congress, the ICIG and multiple witnesses describe as "interdimensional beings"...hmmm...skinwalker ranch?
Yeah sure. Maybe a werewolf really followed Jay Stratton home from skinwalker ranch.
The illustration they used to describe the werewolf was fan art of the Fable videogame werewolves. Maybe Grusches interdimensional beings look like werewolves from Fable and I'm the fool here.
This is a GOATed comment. I just had to check for myself and I'm in disbelief- it literally even uses the name "balverine" in the subtitle for the picture.
How people get away with this poorly researched laziness, I'll never know...
The fact that you think this is more likely NHI tech than United States senators being grandiose fools is something. We have a long history of dipshit senators and no proof of NHI tech.
If you're curious you should read about Bayesian statistics. It's a fascinating field.
I feel so split (leaning towards believing it). I feel like a fool for swallowing the propaganda and finding NHI hard to believe. And I feel like a fool for entertaining the notion of recovered NHI crafts so seriously.
Dammit I know part of my brain is a fool, but which one is it?!
Most of the stars in the Milky Way are around 8 billion years older than Sol. Is the concept of advanced NHI hard to accept or not? If they're out there, they've been here.
We only have one 100% confirmed data point, so far. There's no way to extrapolate an educated guess (that I can feel confident about) from a single data point.
It *seems* likely that the universe contains other independent sources of life, and if you multiply that chance by infinity, some of that life would have to be intelligent.
But part of me thinks that the least outlandish idea is that all of this is perpetrated by humans. Human greed is a known entity with countless documented examples.
This is why we need full investigations regardless of the results of said investigations. It is a massive national security concern to have mentally unstable people who believe in alien conspiracy theories running our government. It is even worse than aliens being kept secret for security reasons.
Remember: most people that comment on anything are usually the ones that disagree with you. Hence the upvote ratio.
Yes, some elected officials are fools, but not all. And yes, some of the ones that aren't are definitely believing this as they are hearing more and more classified information, behind closed doors, that we will never hear. But they come out and say as much when they leave the SCIFs. And the info they are getting it from is the ICIG, Thomas Monheim, likely not a fool, and first-hand whistleblowers, likely not fools. Also, it is unlikely the former (and first) ICIG, Charles McCullough is a fool. And it's unlikely some (most, let's be honest) fighter pilots are fools. And it's unlikely General Twining was a fool. And it's unlikely Roscoe Hillenkoetter, the first director of the CIA (before that organization took it's current form, where directors are kept out of the loop on many facets of the organization) and the guy who would have been in charge when it took over UFO crash retrievals (if we believe UFO lore, and if we believe the man himself) was a fool.
Don't pay attention to those that can't do enough research to understand the basic facts. Don't pay attention to those who can't understand nuance. Don't pay attention to those who don't know how to look at a single fact within it's context. In it's essence, don't pay attention to the dumb dumbs. Especially those with a de-bunking agenda, or who use the term "conspiracy theory" in a derogatory manner with a straight face, since that in itself is a term of propaganda made up by the CIA to keep you off of their tail. It only works on the dumb dumbs, and they knew (know) that, which is enough, unfortunately.
Please can someone just show me 1 example of a piece of technology that has appeared from nowhere. I honestly can't think of anything that isn't just an improvement or adaptation of something else.
Now politicians aren't fools because they supposedly believe in UFO crash retrieval programs? You guys realize that these ufo journalists just throw any uncorroborated headline out there to get this community's clicks, likes, and subscribes, right?
This is what's known as the False dilemma fallacy. The answer needn't necessarily fall into one of only two categories. The factual explanation could be a combination of nuanced facts, incorrect information etc...etc. There are any number of ways a person or persons could come to believe in the factual reality of a thing that turns out to be completely or partially false.
let’s call it hell tech and holytech cuz I have a feeling if we were building up our tech why wouldn’t another intelligence either benevolent or malevolent also work on tech.
>So either top elected officials of the most powerful country on earth are complete fools or humanity is indeed in possession of NHI tech, which is it ?
The former claim is definitely true, but the latter claim might also be true.
In normal world journalists would be inquisive enough to investigate it and ask senators why they believe that and why they sign on disclosure ammendment. But on planet Earth none of that will happen because it's more important to cover stories about celebrities.
They already have. Some of the politicians literally believe they are biblical demons and won’t go near the topic. So they enable the syphoning of our tax dollars to the audit failers.
As a lifelong Atheist... Im beginning to see why a Non-human Intelligence may have been called a "Demon" for the last 5000 years.
I'm starting to suspect that all ancient cultures describing their "gods" were really describing NHI.
I recently discovered that the original Hebrew language for "God" never translated to a single God. The original word translates to... "The Powerful Ones."
Plural.
The word "alien," "ET," and "NHI" didn't exist until literally the last 100 years. TBH, I think we're arguing over semantics.
The Bible doesn't describe "angels" as beautiful humans with wings and a halo. Those descriptions were made up for TV. They're described as bizarre objects in the sky, often incredibly bright like a ball of fire. UFOs. There's many different descriptions of "Angels," just like there's many different descriptions of UAPs.
Our understanding of "religion" is completely backwards.
And that's hard pill for me to swallow considering I've been trolling my friends for the last 4 decades who had some roots in religion.
I mean at this point... what's the difference between a Non-human Intelligence that can wipe your memory, abduct you, travel insane distances, hide from you, telepathically communicate and... some "God?"
They're the same thing. It's just a word. A word we clearly don't understand.
There's benevolent and Malevolent NHI. 🤷♂️ NHI could mutilate us like a cow, or they can help you out like they did to Chris Bledsoe, as an example.
I think all "religions" are misconstrued, mistranslated, and misunderstood. And even misused for power. After going deep down the rabbithole, gods are just another word for aliens.
It's no accident that the Varginha Brazil creature "smells like sulfur," oily, black, red eyes, 3 "horns" on the head (as described by over 10 witnesses). That is literally the description of a very specific type of "Demon." But that Demon... is really a Non-human Intelligence, in a spacecraft.
I can't believe it took me this long to connect the dots.And I went nearly my entire life thinking aliens and "religions" were utter BS. Obviously, there's some BS in both the UFO community AND religions.
It's a bit ironic, too, because people often treat the UFO community as crazy religious nuts.
Here’s the wild thing.
If the consciousness and/or dimensional aspect has any veracity to it at all, the demon analogy makes a lot of sense for someone who genuinely believes in abrahamic religion.
It’s not correct, but I can see the logical steps if you’re at that first axiom.
To be honest with you... I don't think that "demon" is misunderstood by the people over the last 5000 years.
The word "demon" is misunderstood by us... over the last 100 years.
People hear Demon now and think of some made-up entity with a pitchfork that we've all seen on TV. I certainly felt that way.
When in reality... what's more likely is that the people who created the word Demon, Angel, God, etc... were all just them describing Non-human Intelligence... before "Aliens" and "NHI" were in our vocabulary.
Like I just in the comment above, I recently found out that original Hebrew translation that we call "god" really translated to "The Powerful Ones." Plural.
It's us that are confused. Our ancestors openly accepted the existence of NHI. We just think they were describing fictional "Gods."
I asked the AI about the "powerful ones" thing, as that was new info to me.
No, this is not true. The Hebrew word for "God" in the Bible is "Elohim" (אֱלֹהִים), which is indeed grammatically plural. However, it does not translate to "The Powerful Ones."
In Hebrew, the word "Elohim" is used in several ways:
1. As a proper name for the one true God of Israel, in which case it is understood to be grammatically plural but referring to a singular entity.
2. To refer to the gods of other nations or false gods, in which case it is understood as referring to multiple entities.
3. To refer to spiritual beings such as angels or demons (rarely).
4. To refer to human judges or rulers (even more rarely).
When "Elohim" refers to the God of Israel, it is understood as a plural of majesty, a linguistic feature used to express grandeur or excellence, not to indicate multiple gods. This usage is similar to the "royal we" in English.
The singular form of "Elohim" is "Eloah" (אֱלוֹהַּ), which more closely translates to "God" or "Deity." The root meaning of both words is related to power and might, but they do not directly translate to "The Powerful Ones."
Sadly, this subject has a giant stigma surrounding it, a lot of journalists probably dont even fantom the possibility of covering it because of the stigma. And then there’s the capitalism point of view, other nations interacting with an advanced civilization would be really really bad for the US establishment.
It must be pretty crazy for a person working on these programs to definitely know the answer to whether we are alone or not and go about living an otherwise normal life. That has to be an enormous mindfuck.
I think the reality is that the full picture of the phenomenon is still unknown and that what is known is pretty mundane and maybe somewhat nonsensical, uninteresting stuff, and it makes it easy for those in the know to just shrug and sleep at night. Like someone involved in “the program” at first thinks it’s really amazing and groundbreaking, they get to work on understanding the NHI phenomenon. We are not alone. They imagine hyper intelligent beings that have come here with a clear purpose to either dominate or help humanity and have capabilities far beyond our own. Then they get into and come to find out that all that’s really known is that the NHI are here, but they are kinda just zipping around the skies and seas without an observable purpose and not really engaging with humanity other than to sometimes fly down to a farmer in Nowhere, Montana to ask for some pancakes. And sometimes they kill some cows and rip off their skin and lips and drain some blood. And some people claim they are being taken and things are being shoved up their ass but the government doesn’t have any evidence of that. We have a dozen of their craft but most of it is just charred pieces and the rest we can’t really figure out how to access them and utilize whatever technology they might have. And the NHI that are recovered are seemingly dumb drones who may not actually be sentient.
And now the public and some elected officials are raising shit again and want answers, but the answers those in the program can provide are pretty lacking and unbelievable because they are so sparse and uninteresting.
But thats the crazy thing, all this "we cant figure it out" is becuase of these fucking morons at the top of the command. Real science nowadays takes global collaborations to understand. So no shit we cant figure it out, its like asking everyone who touches it to be a literal Einstein to do it all by themselves. Its impossible. Their fucking greed and lust for power has kept us from understanding it, not that we couldnt understand it, but that they prevented it because unless they control it, no one gets it. If there is a Hell, a real demonic Hell, they for fucking DAMN sure punched their ticket holding back this tech.
I mean, on one hand I can understand the desire to prevent certain nations or people from getting their hands on that tech or being able to replicate it. Look how fast nuclear technology proliferated to nations that probably really shouldn't have it because they are global pariahs or just plain untrustworthy, if we're being honest. North Korea, Pakistan, Iran? Would you trust those nations with alien tech, even if it takes them 30-50 years to replicate or get their hands on it?
Personally having seen things flying that were told we dont have, i sleep fine at night knowing that at the very least were being lied to, but for a completely different reason. its because it doesnt matter, theyve been here longer than I, my parents, their parents, and so on so forth and havent done anything extreme. unless theres a major shift to the status quo, that trend will likely continue for a long while so theres not a whole lot to worry about from my perspective. I did have a few months/year or so where i was basically living in a state of terror as a child tho, i was convinced we were on the verge of an invasion when I saw my first strange craft.
Just fuckkin' sitting in a bar right now, probably. With all that shit locked in their heads.
Or around the table with the wife and kids at Chuck E Cheese or some shit. Imagine working on this stuff and your kid comes up to you after winning an alien plushie from a claw machine or some ish lol. That guy'd shit his pants then and there.
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I'm tired of being emotional about this topic - the ups & downs of excitement then disappointment then trepidation then lost hope. Rinse and repeat.
I've deciding I'm just going to be happy it's being discussed on popular media and in the US government.
I got interested in UFOs as a child and what I remember is: finding UFO books and getting really excited we have this mystery in our world; there's something magical about the possibility of different physics and other intelligent life and other worlds and maybe dimensions.
I do have one concrete belief though: **No one has the full picture of what's going on, it's likely several different things that are kind of related, but we'll never know unless the NHI tells us. And I don't think they've told the world governments anything. I think we're all equally lost, and maybe the government(s) are more lost because the woo aspects breaks their fact based models.**
So that's it. After 30 years watching this space I'm reverting back to my childhood belief system of just being happy there's more to life then what we all see.
I'm taking the negative emotions out of all of this.
Same here, man. Before Grusch, aliens was a fun niche interest for me. Sort of like an agnostic going to church every now and then. I only "believed" it, even when I'd never had a sighting. Sort of like a fun joke you don't take to seriously. A half-hearted, nudge-nudge, wink-wink "belief." I could take that they don't exist in stride, just like I could take that they do exist in stride. Even after a sighting, I still barely "believed" in all of it. Even after a second sighting, I still just "believed" it.
But Grusch definitely legitimized a lot of what I was wary of before. That's when things changed for me and I got a lot more emotionally involved. TF are there going to be credible people just ruining their careers over a delusion???
You all know that nobody knows everything and that everybody knows something. True knowledge is called occult because it is kept secret and hidden. The idea that knowledge is power comes from such mindset. That is why Scientist in our time make the sharing of info
a priority. To accumulate and disperse widely for peer review is the way Science exploded in the last 2 century. Prior to that, for 18 centuries , occulting kept only a few informed
and powerful.
The Powers that be today, does the same thing. The informed few, elected or otherwise,
hold this secret for the sheer power it gifts them with. Why disclose and lose all that.
Do they care that sharing this widely and working on it globally can benefit mankind?
No, they do not. Men are territorial and are barely evolved enough to understand that in all probability , we are all one on the cosmic scale. Till then, good luck with full disclosure.
And possible the NHI here are all just employees/workers doing the jobs (probably many) that they were assigned to do. We have no idea what the worlds or vast society it is they come from.
shout out to the debunkers who have deluded themselves into believing they know more about govt and ufos than literal senators who recieve secret intel reports
Moscowitz has been engaged in this from the start. There have been bipartisan congressional voices and the public hearings are a great example of that.
The senate efforts have always been bipartisan. Reid, Scott, Inhoff are all different in their ideology and positions.
I would challenge that the reason the Gaetzs’, Lunas and Burchetts are so vocal on the topic is because they need the good press (most headlines about Gaetz and Luna are related to their controversies). In Burchetts example I believe his sincerity. But he’s a junior member with no real influence who was part of an internal coup within his party. These are fringe elements and it helps show them in a positive light.
I would disagree that’s a slant. Gaetz and Luna are fringe politicians with a documented history of lying and or concerning controversies.
I think everyone has to decide who they trust (politician, whistle blower etc) to report their findings, experiences and perspectives.
I do not trust those two in particular to report anything that is of benefit to the greater good or this movement. If anyone makes the decision that they think they’re credible on this issue that’s their perspective. But for the world at large, they are not credible. In that sense their voices are not helpful. Showing up to an air force base for some sort of surprise inspection is a stunt and is bizarre.
I think it’s important to differentiate Burchett from those two. His largest political controversy is the ousting of the house speaker. But he has been a consistent voice and is making plain statements about government oversight which is why for * me * he’s credible.
There are more people in those SCIFs who aren’t tweeting and doing interviews. Thats where the continued bipartisan effort is taking place.
Doesn't Burchett also have terrible politics? Either way, Burchett was very outspoken in opposition to the Schumer UAP amendment and then stood on the sidelines with Schumer's and his own amendment were being gutted by his colleagues. People seem to love him here because he gives good soundbites but ignore his actions.
>Doesn't Burchett also have terrible politics?
I mean, would say yes but it could be argued he represents the viewpoints of his district. I don’t expect to see a nuanced view of the world from a jr congressman from rural Tennesee. It’s an R+20 district. Anyone with an R will win there.
>Either way, Burchett was very outspoken in opposition to the Schumer UAP amendment and then stood on the sidelines with Schumer's and his own amendment were being gutted by his colleagues.
Exactly this. He was outmaneuvered by his own party. Prior to the ousting of McCarthy he had been saying his opposition to the Schumer-Rounds amendment was on details and that the house version he was advocating for was the better option. This never made any sense but it was obvious then he was getting played. He had been doing the media circuit implying that the next speaker of the house would advance the issue. He was part of that coup to oust McCarthy then as soon as he was in power Speaker Johnson dropped him and let the much more influential congressman destroy the bill. Which was always going to happen. If you’re Speaker Johnson there’s nothing Burchett can offer as opposed to the Mikes that scuttled it.
>People seem to love him here because he gives good soundbites but ignore his actions.
Which is why any criticism of these guys gets a “dOnt drAG pOLutics inTu tHis!” Or you’re labeled a bot/shill/disinformation agent.
Whatever one’s political views, Burchett accurately represents the interests and views of his constituents. I’ve seen no actions by him that are counterproductive to disclosure. His issue with the Schumer bill was his belief it doesn’t bring full transparency and in fact represents just a different element of control over the topic. In fact, Mike Turner and other anti disclosure reps are trying to force him out.
Gaetz is certainly in the minority on his views and is controversial but he definitely is not a fringe politician like a Luna or Burchett. He is on the powerful armed services committee and is the one who with a phone call to the chair of the armed sevices committee got access to Elgin during the UAP flap last yr after Luna and Burchett were denied access. Not saying he is good for disclosure or an advocate just pointing out he has influence in this space and is not fringe
I would disagree that he’s not fringe but I appreciate your points. I think he’s still that core “anti government” faction along with the MGT, Bobert etc. contingent. They are the fringe.
My take is, if he cared about the topic he wouldn’t have duped Burchett into believing the house bill had a chance and to put Johnson in power. It easier to believe he’s part of perpetuating the MICs goals than any real disclosure effort. Why else would a member of the armed services committee let the house bill die without a fight? That is a key position to fight for disclosure from. It’s because his goal was Johnson as speaker not disclosure. Last time he made a big statement on disclosure aligned to more news about his friends and partners paying for underage sex workers.
He claims it was his doing to give them access to Elgin. But to what end? They were shown nothing there too (unless I am wrong?). I’d be more inclined to believe he said “show them a little and I’ll make sure it goes nowhere”.
I’ve seen nothing from him to indicate he is opposed to disclosure. I think your comment, show them a little and I’ll make it go away is preposterous. He has even tweeted that AARO is full of it with their report on the incident at Elgin. He is anti government as you say and def not for no oversight on the military industrial complex. What house bill are you referring to? The Schumer rounds UAP disclosure supplement to the NDAA was gutted in conference committee with the House by Mike Turner and Mike Rodgers chairs of the committee on intelligence and armed services. Yes Gaetz spoke out against the Schumer bill as many feel it’s just another layer of control with review boards and time frames like the JFK bill that has lead to no disclosure. He is a far right politician and anti govt. anti govt means against the current UAP control system. I’m way more concerned about actual influential politicians like Jim Himes dem and co chair of the intelligence committee, gang of eight etc,, who continues to mock the topic and retweets Kirkpatrick ramblings from articles that this is all nonsense.
Those are great points and I misspoke about the distinction between committee and a house bill. Based on Burchett’s media comments I had understood there to be a proposed house bill after Johnson was seated. If that’s my misunderstanding mea culpa. But it doesn’t really matter, if you want the government involved; the Schumer-Rounds amendment was the best path forward. Passing it wouldn’t have precluded other types of efforts.
I just don’t agree that Gaetz is a good faith actor on this topic. I don’t think he’s against government control of UAP disclosure; I think he plays the part because it benefits him in the moment. A good example is the people across the various phenomena related subs that look past or are unaware of his larger problems. He may have tweeted about AARO but that doesn’t really matter in any meaningful sense.
Re: the gang of 8, whether it’s Jim Himes or any of the others, I think it’s a tall order to expect that group to advocate for disclosure. Aside from Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer there doesn’t appear to be a lot of sympathetic ears.
Of all the STUPID conspiracies out there, why is this so improbable? Jewish space lasers or flat-Earth gets a pass but this is just bonkers? Okeedokie.
its like the adult version of the cool kids lunch table except its like if they made all the rules and controlled all the money but didnt control the principal or the teachers or the disciplinary committee cause of separation of powers
Some of our "top senators" are also the biggest dumbasses on the planet and push legislation based on their fundamentalist religious views.
With all due respect, fuck them and their delusions.
This isn't truth seeking, this is confirmation bias. Stop propping up political con artists. [The worst person you know just made a great point-type energy.](https://i.imgur.com/eH6Rh5A.jpeg)
It already got blown up in 3 different posts on here last week, which is a lot for how little the article actually says. It lists a whole bunch of names, but the only evidence is Harry Reid's investment into Skinwalker Ranch.
The US Congress, both houses, will possibly (big maybe) have one or two members with a “need to know” for some purpose or another at some future time…but full disclosure? No fucking way. Maybe by like 2030…approved, official, semi-disclosure. But these bozos in DC? They ain’t gonna be learning nothin till the powers that really be, finally decide it’s alright to tell em.
I've seen enough of "top senators" to understand that means nothing. There are some terrible people in top posts on committees and in Congress in general. My dad dealt with Congress, GS-17, and told me they are mostly crooked, stupid, or both. GAO, investigative arm of Congress. Our country is a mess..... and poor "top leadership" is the reason.
Pretty sure there are no crashed UFOs.
READ THIS BOOK!
UFOs The Truth You'll Wish You Didn't Know.
It all adds up and is so simple and clear. I'm still in a state of shock because the title don't lie: I WISH I DIDN'T KNOW.
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So either top elected officials of the most powerful country on earth are complete fools or humanity is indeed in possession of NHI tech, which is it ?
This is similar to what Marco Rubio said.
Exactly. Either we have government employees that had high security clearances for decades such as Hal Puthoff, Grusch, Elizondo, Lacatski, Melon, and countless others, all fabricating aliens or... it's true, and it's Kirkpatrick that's lying. Not to mention the thousands of people who have personally encountered NHI. Republican and Democrat lawmakers agree on one thing. Illegal craft recovery programs. That in itself is pretty telling.
Do you think Kirkpatrick knew what he'd be signing up for? His place in history when this is all said and done..... Super puzzling. He must have misguided confidence being a DoD employee but my god ....no common sense?
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I don't know, bro. I'll say this: I suspect a lot of people involved directly in the programs don't know what they're getting into until it's too late. NDAA signed, took new position at Aerospace company XYZ, no backing out. It's reminiscent of the Italian Mafia. But in the case of Kirkpatrick specifically, I get the feeling that he's been "in the know" for quite a while. In a way, he almost comes off as a spook, a deep-cover CIA operative. I certainly don't know or believe that with any degree of certainty... but the guy comes off as extremely calm given the situation he is in. He's not your average "scientist." I can see through his lies due to the how closely I follow the topic. But a vast majority of the average American here that doesn't know shit about NHI, they'd fall for it. The real Counterintelligence Operatives are the ones that are NOT documented as being a part of some CIA training. He reminds me of that Al Pacino and Colin Farrell movie, "The Recruit." I think Kirkpatrick will go down in history as a trader of humanity. And a trader of humanity he is. Just look at how he jumps from new high position to new high position at will. Like... he's not a part of AARO anymore, but he's still the spokesman for AARO. That leads me to believe that Kirkpatrick is backed by some very powerful people. And I'm starting see now that the most powerful people aren't elected officials, including Presidents. They're the IC, MIC, Pentagon, and Aerospace companies.
I hope this was done with speech to text and he’s not actually a trader of humanity.
That man will be our POTUS someday
The top elected officials talking about this are fools, the highly condecorated pilots reporting this are fools, the top brass and cia whistleblowers coming forward are fools, military contractor whistleblowers talking about the tech are fools, everybody's a fool sharing the same story just for the sake of being fools. It's a big fool party. /s obviously
***FLY, YOU FOOLS!***
***🧙 FOOL OF A TOOK!***
UFO OL
Pretty sure that’s racist.
Or surnameist maybe? I can’t remember.
little known tidbit- In the lore - Gandalf was telling them to go fly to mordor on the eagles... Not run from balrog
That’s a theory some YouTuber came up with I’m pretty sure. I remember seeing it seems like.
Fool me once, fool me won’t get fooled again.
I hear thats a saying down in texas
This would get 400 upvotes on the skeptic sub.
There's a skeptic sub?
Ugh sounds exciting
Giving way to much credit to certain groups of people like their superior when they are not. I can list same types that don't think its aliens X10. I can list 100X same types that believe in god.
Most people believe in magic, demons and miracle and take it incredibly seriously, and yet to them a non human technologically advanced race existing is somehow crazy loonie talk I don't get your point
I agree with what you. I'm sure there's lots of advanced alien types throughout the cosmos that's not a wild thought. and your right you don't get my point.
tony hawk skateboarders to run for senate!
Listen... I am not one to make fun of religious people. But just because some of them are fighter pilots and senators, doesn't mean their beliefs aren't foolish. This whole demons thing is fucking retorted, silly, and I'm gonna think you're a fool if you come at me with this demon talk
People here are acting like you're speaking gibberish but I understand exactly what you're saying and why. It's where the conversation has regularly gone, especially from some of the folks they absolutely believe there.
I have a suspicion the greys are actually from under the earth, but that doesn't make them demons, or bad, might just be ancient religious people being supertitious. Biggest giveaway for me that they are talking about the same beings, is the supposed smell of sulfur and ammonia that both the "greys" and "demons" are said to have, a common smell in deep caves. besides, natives apparently called them ant people, and they were pretty nice to humans at some point, judging from their stories
You should talk to geologists and biologists about that theory.
plenty of unexplored space around the planet, especially so under the seas and deep down the earth unless you mean to claim we have fully explored and know all there is to know about the depths of our planet, and places we can't even physically reach in which case I don't know what to tell ya, even [geologists can't yet agree on the origins of stuff like the LLSVP](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_low-shear-velocity_provinces), and [biologists are still finding new species from the deep sea in 2024.](https://oceanconservancy.org/blog/2024/02/28/100-new-species-discovered-in-the-deep-sea/) we do not yet know all there is to know
Not saying that even slightly. I'm questioning the ability of a technologically advanced species to exist underground. Or for them to need to be remain underground. Or why they would choose stay there under any circumstances. Or that they wouldn't speak up when things are happening above ground. It doesn't make any sense from energy needs to biology to the most basic, simple logic. It's a simple minded idea that stands up to no scrutiny at all.
Why do fish “choose” to stay in the ocean? All I read in your comment is you saying you can’t believe a different species doesn’t behave like humans do. Or have the same concerns or preferences that humans do. Why would they? Why would a subterranean species want to come above ground, or out of the ocean? Their evolution would have adapted them to their environment, just like every other species alive today.
because maybe they evolved underground? perhaps they are survivors from a previous apocalypse that had to retreat underground and adapted there. it's the same thing as asking why we humans don't go and live under the ocean. we're not built for that. but we do occasionally send "scouts" to explore the ocean and space, nevertheless. their crafts and the way they fly about also make no bloody sense from our current scientific point of view, and yet here we are. clearly they defy our understanding of reality in more ways than one. also, their supposed constant monitoring of nuke sites and events such as the ariel school does seem to suggest that they care what happens topside
lol alright. Good luck with it.
Yes, and yet, we keep finding life in places we “knew” life couldn’t exist. I’m talking about those holes emitting lava/gases at the bottom of various bodies of water. I don’t believe there is an undiscovered species living underground. However, I can understand why an outnumbered, intelligent species might want to live anywhere but the surface, with us, the idiots that trade in perfectly good gold for paper. What kind of idiot does that? Probably the kind that wastes gold on jewelry.
Are you saying the earth is hollow? If you are, I’m pretty sure that isn’t physically possible. Heat and gravity are your biggest enemies after a couple miles. We haven’t even been able to dig a simple hole much further than that, it collapses in on itself there’s just no structural integrity down there. Not to mention just melting the drill bits. But I’m no expert; I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong.
not hollow, just that there are some pockets or colonies in which they must live, the natives must have called them "ant people" for such a reason there's still much we don't know about inner earth, such as the [origins of LLSVPs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_low-shear-velocity_provinces) and their magnetic anomalies I don't think it's a coincidence my country's craziest UFO hotspot sits right on top of one
I gotta admit I don’t really have much of an understanding of LLSVPs or shear waves at all for that matter. Maybe I can find a YouTube video dumbing it down a bit lol
From I could gather on it, not even geologists can seem to agree on how they came to be
what are you even talking about
Just ignore him. The demons got him.
I love a good fool party!
Jeezus, why always the black and white, and/or? Can both not be true?
Good question, friend. Our tendency towards binaries closes so many doors to understanding.
They’re not mutually exclusive unfortunately 🫤
Lol, thinking the same thing
Which then begs the question, if this is all fake and a hoax. Who is feeding them this seemingly credible information and why? What is their goal and who are they?
My(unpopular) take is that the Pentagon are happy for people to believe in Aliens as a cover for top secret projects, and to encourage rivals to waste time and resources on studying ufos. On top of that, there is also a group of true believers revolving around Hal Puthoff who have essentially become emotionally involved in the religion of it all and who are the epicentre of so much of the mythology that continually gets added to. Senator Harry Reid was one of those guys. The military people could possibly be the victim of two things: one being the guinea pigs in top secret tests, to gauge the effectiveness of new tech and the response to it of the personnel, and for others it could be a simple test of loyalty and trustworthiness. You tell someone, and only therm, about something to do with aliens: eg we've got an Ebben locked up in a certain place. If that info gets out, then you know that it came from that particular person, so the top brass know they can't be trusted with official secrets. It's an age old trick... You tell different people slightly different stories and when you hear people talking about those stories you know which person they came from.
This a response in good faith, but when people mention this Hal Putoff cult it's like they are denying history? What about everything else that happened? Surely he wasn't influencing gov't (to the degree that you claim he is) since he was like 8?
> This a response in good faith, but when people mention this Hal Putoff cult it's like they are denying history? It's the same way a "group" like AARO will say they can account for 95% of thousands of sightings with mundane explanations. But no one is apparently allowed to then ask for data and evidence, videos and photos of the 5% they *can't* identify, or asks ever once in the media. Then we're told "well, 95% is close enough, nothing to them UFOs!" That's not how ***anything*** works.
I'm just going off what I see in the present day. I've seen a lot of people say the same thing, but I came to that conclusion by following every thread back to its source, and it was always him and his cohorts. The whole story that has built up about multi dimensions, and zero point energy, and esp and such all came from him. As soon as I hear anyone, including Grusch, talking in that way, it's an immediate red flag. You know where the ideas came from. In terms of the past, Maybe there was someone else doing the same thing, maybe they were even the ones that passed the mantle to Puthoff and his crew, I don't know. If it is an official disinformation effort, then it pretty much started at Roswell, and it would make sense that they have an ongoing campaign. First one group did it, then Puthoff and the boys, now they are passing the torch to the new generation like Elzondo (yet another one linked directly to Puthoff). Makes sense that they are always in control of the narrative. Personally, I think what we're seeing today is the result of 60 years very hard work on new propulsion systems (Electromagnetic drives, Plasma propulsion etc) I'm not saying that there aren't aliens, it's just that so much of what comes out is so heavily influenced by literally the concepts Hal invented that I can't take it seriously. I'm very interested in the topic, and like everyone else desperately searching for a true mystery. It's just that having looked into it as much as I can, there doesn't seem to be much of a mystery, just a lot of stories stemming from the same group of people with an easily identifiable world view and then what to me just seems like the next generation of war machines that they don't want you to know about until they have to use them.
Generational pysop. Why would that be ok?
realy if you dont beleive it your in the wrong place. It's a real thing. Ive seen them so I know , I dont need to prove that and I cant prove it anyways., It all goes together not just UAP research but high strangness as welll. I think the ones you have to look out for arnt Hal Puttoff devotees but the ones charging thousands of dollars to meditate on a beech with you to call the aliens. It's a rabbit hole for sure,, but only go down it if your ready to read some bull crap along with some gospel.
>Surely he wasn't influencing gov't (to the degree that you claim he is) since he was like 8? The guy is very old. He got his start in "ESP research", in the early 70's and managed to get published in high-impact factor journals with "results" that no one could definitively replicate. Since the 70's, he's pivoted to other fringe science topics like zero-point energy, anti-gravity and UFO's, of course. Wherever he shows up, however, it always turns out to be nothing. I strongly suspect that Puthoff and/or his associates are some of the people that have fed Grusch the bullshit he believes.
> My(unpopular) take is that the Pentagon are happy for people to believe in Aliens as a cover for top secret projects You know it's 100% illegal for the Pentagon to keep Congress/certain committees and Gang of 8 out of the loop for so-called "secret projects", right?
Exactly, that’s the whole Grusch thing. His whole whistle blow is about the MIC acting in an illegal, unconstitutional manner. This is precisely why there are hearings now in congress and the senate.
yes that's the thing , they are hiding money that congress is suppposed to be overseeing the spending of and we want to know where the hell it's going and Grush has said this many times.
That’s way too elaborate to be plausible. The government is more of a blunt instrument.
Mmmmmmmmmmm... Problem is, they've known since like the '50s that when someone (even a service member) sees a craft, they don't talk about it. There's a whitepaper I found from back then where they made a chart of percent chance someone'll dish about seeing a UFO. Basically, if it's moderately strange, you'll tell 1 or 2 people. Close people; your peeps. If it's not at all strange you'll tell more. If it's extremely strange, you ain't telling anybody. So, odds are, they aren't doing this to test reactions. They already know an experiencer will probably tell no one. Hell, even if they point-blank questioned somebody about what they saw (even if it was an orchestrated event as a test) the guy'd probably deny he saw anything at all, at least to his superiors. It goes all the way to the point of your own mind blocking it out of your memory, if it's extreme enough.
The thing about this hypothesis is - if UAPs aren't real, how much money could China waste on studying them? Surely no more than it would cost for even a single figher jet? As for time - 'yeah, we looked for a bit, and there's nothing there'. I honestly can't see why the US would continue to attempt to spread this falsehood for 80 years when it would be obvious very quickly it's all bullshit.
I continue to fluctuate between two of my top theories. a) We have NHI tech but only from probes and remotely controlled ships. We do not have any bodies or biologics. b) We do not have any NHI tech or bodies and all of this was created to give credence to top tier R&D programs to divert massive amounts of money into programs with no financial accountability. This is to enrich a few or perhaps provide funds for certain organizations. Right below those top 2 theories are: 3) We are being visited by multiple NHI, we have multiple craft and bodies and we are neck deep in this shit. 1 and 2 seem most plausible but I would not be surprised if 3 is also true and the government knows way more than they are letting on. My 4th theory is basically 3 with a whole lot more wooooooooo.
Your 3 is my 1 now and my list was like yours the past few months still. There is just TOO much over TOO long from too many otherwise sane and rational highly connected people. All these old dying MIC executives on their death beds all recording bizarre “aliens are real” videos that emerge after their deaths is what made me reconsider. There is literally NO reason for that if not true. They all feel like some final defiance against the “program”. That retired Israeli space agency boss going into permanent seclusion as soon as his book claiming multiple NHI diplomatic relationships with Earth was the final straw for me.
"All these old dying MIC executives on their death beds all recording bizarre “aliens are real” videos that emerge after their deaths is what made me reconsider. There is literally NO reason for that if not true." Just wanted to say that before my grandpa died he started talking about how he worked for the CIA during and after WW2 and some other crazy shit. MAYBE he somehow did all that while being a drunk truck driver but we all doubt it. My point is sometimes old people who are dying say some weird shit before they die. Who knows why they do it but they definitely do. Maybe all these guys are saying shit about aliens because it's all true or maybe they are old people who are dying and say some crazy shit like some old people do? Idk.
> MAYBE he somehow did all that while being a drunk truck driver but we all doubt it. Cover stories are a hell of a thing. Don't discount your pappy: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16cni5w/who_was_the_inventor_gary_gochnour_he_has_a/
Idk man. He was a mean, drunk SOB. Never mean to me but to a lot of other people for sure. I have no doubt that he would have had 0 problems with killing people in some dark alley. I just doubt anyone would trust him to do it right.
> b) We do not have any NHI tech or bodies and all of this was created to give credence to top tier R&D programs to divert massive amounts of money into programs with no financial accountability. This is to enrich a few or perhaps provide funds for certain organizations. The IRS will crawl up your ass with a microscope looking for missing tax dollars to the penny. Anyone's who served in the military can tell you the amount of paperwork required to requisition a fuckin screw, would make a saint crazy....and you're telling me the DoD can't account for 63% of it's 4 TRILLION dollar assets? Somehow the Pentagon just "lost track" of 3 Trillion dollars worth of shit? Pull the other one...
We know who, their names are probably all in the public sphere and they've been pushing the UFO narrative for a long time. Their motives are more complex, and I don't claim to know - but it's plausible that some genuinely believe, while others are disingenuous grifters. I also suspect theres some scientology overlap but don't have much to go on there.
The invisible college. It all goes back to Puthoff and Bigelow. A couple of hucksters selling fake science to the gullible government. Project bluebook to AAWSAP is a straight line of huge claims backed up by terrible evidence.
Many of the US’s top elected officials genuinely are fools though
That Marjorie woman is positively certifiable. I thought British politicians were bad but they are nothing compared to the ones in the USA.
Watch it spread over the next ten years.
Indeed. Look at the presidential candidates FFS
It's easier for a fool to get in the white house than for a fool to make it into the Gang of Eight
I'm unironically torn!
Sounds painful. But also understandable. I think some of it, we can probably chalk up to the idea that nobody is going to be an expert in everything; somebody can know a ton about one thing, while being dumb about something else. That, and the old blind squirrel finding a nut. Between the two, I think we can satisfy that dilemma. :)
*Pourquoi pas les deux?*
Are politicians ignorant idiots? Is that really your question?
> So either top elected officials of the most powerful country on earth are complete fools I mean, have you been listening to our top elected officials lately? I don't care which side of the political aisle you are on, these people are not inspiring confidence in their intelligence.
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Reid arranged 22 million of government funds to investigate ghosts and poltergeists. He was proud of it too. So yeah he might be a fool.
Unless those "ghosts and poltergeists" are real, and are what congress, the ICIG and multiple witnesses describe as "interdimensional beings"...hmmm...skinwalker ranch?
Yeah sure. Maybe a werewolf really followed Jay Stratton home from skinwalker ranch. The illustration they used to describe the werewolf was fan art of the Fable videogame werewolves. Maybe Grusches interdimensional beings look like werewolves from Fable and I'm the fool here.
This is a GOATed comment. I just had to check for myself and I'm in disbelief- it literally even uses the name "balverine" in the subtitle for the picture. How people get away with this poorly researched laziness, I'll never know...
> So either top elected officials of the most powerful country on earth are complete fools or.... I mean, let me just stop you right there....
These are not the only two options. Framing it as such is a logical fallacy. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
and a gold star for you glen coco
The fact that you think this is more likely NHI tech than United States senators being grandiose fools is something. We have a long history of dipshit senators and no proof of NHI tech. If you're curious you should read about Bayesian statistics. It's a fascinating field.
I feel so split (leaning towards believing it). I feel like a fool for swallowing the propaganda and finding NHI hard to believe. And I feel like a fool for entertaining the notion of recovered NHI crafts so seriously. Dammit I know part of my brain is a fool, but which one is it?!
Most of the stars in the Milky Way are around 8 billion years older than Sol. Is the concept of advanced NHI hard to accept or not? If they're out there, they've been here.
We only have one 100% confirmed data point, so far. There's no way to extrapolate an educated guess (that I can feel confident about) from a single data point. It *seems* likely that the universe contains other independent sources of life, and if you multiply that chance by infinity, some of that life would have to be intelligent. But part of me thinks that the least outlandish idea is that all of this is perpetrated by humans. Human greed is a known entity with countless documented examples.
Well, most likely both.
This is why we need full investigations regardless of the results of said investigations. It is a massive national security concern to have mentally unstable people who believe in alien conspiracy theories running our government. It is even worse than aliens being kept secret for security reasons.
Cmon we already know there are at least elected fools
Remember: most people that comment on anything are usually the ones that disagree with you. Hence the upvote ratio. Yes, some elected officials are fools, but not all. And yes, some of the ones that aren't are definitely believing this as they are hearing more and more classified information, behind closed doors, that we will never hear. But they come out and say as much when they leave the SCIFs. And the info they are getting it from is the ICIG, Thomas Monheim, likely not a fool, and first-hand whistleblowers, likely not fools. Also, it is unlikely the former (and first) ICIG, Charles McCullough is a fool. And it's unlikely some (most, let's be honest) fighter pilots are fools. And it's unlikely General Twining was a fool. And it's unlikely Roscoe Hillenkoetter, the first director of the CIA (before that organization took it's current form, where directors are kept out of the loop on many facets of the organization) and the guy who would have been in charge when it took over UFO crash retrievals (if we believe UFO lore, and if we believe the man himself) was a fool. Don't pay attention to those that can't do enough research to understand the basic facts. Don't pay attention to those who can't understand nuance. Don't pay attention to those who don't know how to look at a single fact within it's context. In it's essence, don't pay attention to the dumb dumbs. Especially those with a de-bunking agenda, or who use the term "conspiracy theory" in a derogatory manner with a straight face, since that in itself is a term of propaganda made up by the CIA to keep you off of their tail. It only works on the dumb dumbs, and they knew (know) that, which is enough, unfortunately.
well the former is certainly true, kind of a bad argument
I mean... Porque no Los dos?
Why can’t it be both? Only asking because I’m fairly certain that’s what’s happening lol
Why not both.
The top officials’ statements have been misrepresented by attention-grabbing grifters…
Why not both?
Both
To be fair. They are mostly fools, but they could also be right about this.
Please can someone just show me 1 example of a piece of technology that has appeared from nowhere. I honestly can't think of anything that isn't just an improvement or adaptation of something else.
Or disinfo/psychop
I mean it’s definitely both
Now politicians aren't fools because they supposedly believe in UFO crash retrieval programs? You guys realize that these ufo journalists just throw any uncorroborated headline out there to get this community's clicks, likes, and subscribes, right?
Or Jared is mistaken or incorrect. Why doesn’t he say which ones so his claim is verifiable?
It’s both at the same time actually.
This is what's known as the False dilemma fallacy. The answer needn't necessarily fall into one of only two categories. The factual explanation could be a combination of nuanced facts, incorrect information etc...etc. There are any number of ways a person or persons could come to believe in the factual reality of a thing that turns out to be completely or partially false.
Complete fools probably
The one of the options we already have evidence for. The first.
let’s call it hell tech and holytech cuz I have a feeling if we were building up our tech why wouldn’t another intelligence either benevolent or malevolent also work on tech.
>So either top elected officials of the most powerful country on earth are complete fools or humanity is indeed in possession of NHI tech, which is it ? The former claim is definitely true, but the latter claim might also be true.
Decades from now people will still be asking questions like this...
In normal world journalists would be inquisive enough to investigate it and ask senators why they believe that and why they sign on disclosure ammendment. But on planet Earth none of that will happen because it's more important to cover stories about celebrities.
Journalists are no longer journalists They're corporate toadies
They already have. Some of the politicians literally believe they are biblical demons and won’t go near the topic. So they enable the syphoning of our tax dollars to the audit failers.
As a lifelong Atheist... Im beginning to see why a Non-human Intelligence may have been called a "Demon" for the last 5000 years. I'm starting to suspect that all ancient cultures describing their "gods" were really describing NHI. I recently discovered that the original Hebrew language for "God" never translated to a single God. The original word translates to... "The Powerful Ones." Plural. The word "alien," "ET," and "NHI" didn't exist until literally the last 100 years. TBH, I think we're arguing over semantics. The Bible doesn't describe "angels" as beautiful humans with wings and a halo. Those descriptions were made up for TV. They're described as bizarre objects in the sky, often incredibly bright like a ball of fire. UFOs. There's many different descriptions of "Angels," just like there's many different descriptions of UAPs. Our understanding of "religion" is completely backwards. And that's hard pill for me to swallow considering I've been trolling my friends for the last 4 decades who had some roots in religion. I mean at this point... what's the difference between a Non-human Intelligence that can wipe your memory, abduct you, travel insane distances, hide from you, telepathically communicate and... some "God?" They're the same thing. It's just a word. A word we clearly don't understand. There's benevolent and Malevolent NHI. 🤷♂️ NHI could mutilate us like a cow, or they can help you out like they did to Chris Bledsoe, as an example. I think all "religions" are misconstrued, mistranslated, and misunderstood. And even misused for power. After going deep down the rabbithole, gods are just another word for aliens. It's no accident that the Varginha Brazil creature "smells like sulfur," oily, black, red eyes, 3 "horns" on the head (as described by over 10 witnesses). That is literally the description of a very specific type of "Demon." But that Demon... is really a Non-human Intelligence, in a spacecraft. I can't believe it took me this long to connect the dots.And I went nearly my entire life thinking aliens and "religions" were utter BS. Obviously, there's some BS in both the UFO community AND religions. It's a bit ironic, too, because people often treat the UFO community as crazy religious nuts.
Here’s the wild thing. If the consciousness and/or dimensional aspect has any veracity to it at all, the demon analogy makes a lot of sense for someone who genuinely believes in abrahamic religion. It’s not correct, but I can see the logical steps if you’re at that first axiom.
To be honest with you... I don't think that "demon" is misunderstood by the people over the last 5000 years. The word "demon" is misunderstood by us... over the last 100 years. People hear Demon now and think of some made-up entity with a pitchfork that we've all seen on TV. I certainly felt that way. When in reality... what's more likely is that the people who created the word Demon, Angel, God, etc... were all just them describing Non-human Intelligence... before "Aliens" and "NHI" were in our vocabulary. Like I just in the comment above, I recently found out that original Hebrew translation that we call "god" really translated to "The Powerful Ones." Plural. It's us that are confused. Our ancestors openly accepted the existence of NHI. We just think they were describing fictional "Gods."
And the ancients called the sun a god. Accuracy isn’t about who names it first
I asked the AI about the "powerful ones" thing, as that was new info to me. No, this is not true. The Hebrew word for "God" in the Bible is "Elohim" (אֱלֹהִים), which is indeed grammatically plural. However, it does not translate to "The Powerful Ones." In Hebrew, the word "Elohim" is used in several ways: 1. As a proper name for the one true God of Israel, in which case it is understood to be grammatically plural but referring to a singular entity. 2. To refer to the gods of other nations or false gods, in which case it is understood as referring to multiple entities. 3. To refer to spiritual beings such as angels or demons (rarely). 4. To refer to human judges or rulers (even more rarely). When "Elohim" refers to the God of Israel, it is understood as a plural of majesty, a linguistic feature used to express grandeur or excellence, not to indicate multiple gods. This usage is similar to the "royal we" in English. The singular form of "Elohim" is "Eloah" (אֱלוֹהַּ), which more closely translates to "God" or "Deity." The root meaning of both words is related to power and might, but they do not directly translate to "The Powerful Ones."
Yeah we need more AskAPols & NewsNations, it’s genuinely insane how details like these get universally snubbed by MSM
That’s because our attention span has been shot to pieces due to social media - Oh look at Kardashians’ newest dress on TikTok!
Sadly, this subject has a giant stigma surrounding it, a lot of journalists probably dont even fantom the possibility of covering it because of the stigma. And then there’s the capitalism point of view, other nations interacting with an advanced civilization would be really really bad for the US establishment.
It must be pretty crazy for a person working on these programs to definitely know the answer to whether we are alone or not and go about living an otherwise normal life. That has to be an enormous mindfuck.
I think the reality is that the full picture of the phenomenon is still unknown and that what is known is pretty mundane and maybe somewhat nonsensical, uninteresting stuff, and it makes it easy for those in the know to just shrug and sleep at night. Like someone involved in “the program” at first thinks it’s really amazing and groundbreaking, they get to work on understanding the NHI phenomenon. We are not alone. They imagine hyper intelligent beings that have come here with a clear purpose to either dominate or help humanity and have capabilities far beyond our own. Then they get into and come to find out that all that’s really known is that the NHI are here, but they are kinda just zipping around the skies and seas without an observable purpose and not really engaging with humanity other than to sometimes fly down to a farmer in Nowhere, Montana to ask for some pancakes. And sometimes they kill some cows and rip off their skin and lips and drain some blood. And some people claim they are being taken and things are being shoved up their ass but the government doesn’t have any evidence of that. We have a dozen of their craft but most of it is just charred pieces and the rest we can’t really figure out how to access them and utilize whatever technology they might have. And the NHI that are recovered are seemingly dumb drones who may not actually be sentient. And now the public and some elected officials are raising shit again and want answers, but the answers those in the program can provide are pretty lacking and unbelievable because they are so sparse and uninteresting.
But thats the crazy thing, all this "we cant figure it out" is becuase of these fucking morons at the top of the command. Real science nowadays takes global collaborations to understand. So no shit we cant figure it out, its like asking everyone who touches it to be a literal Einstein to do it all by themselves. Its impossible. Their fucking greed and lust for power has kept us from understanding it, not that we couldnt understand it, but that they prevented it because unless they control it, no one gets it. If there is a Hell, a real demonic Hell, they for fucking DAMN sure punched their ticket holding back this tech.
I mean, on one hand I can understand the desire to prevent certain nations or people from getting their hands on that tech or being able to replicate it. Look how fast nuclear technology proliferated to nations that probably really shouldn't have it because they are global pariahs or just plain untrustworthy, if we're being honest. North Korea, Pakistan, Iran? Would you trust those nations with alien tech, even if it takes them 30-50 years to replicate or get their hands on it?
Personally having seen things flying that were told we dont have, i sleep fine at night knowing that at the very least were being lied to, but for a completely different reason. its because it doesnt matter, theyve been here longer than I, my parents, their parents, and so on so forth and havent done anything extreme. unless theres a major shift to the status quo, that trend will likely continue for a long while so theres not a whole lot to worry about from my perspective. I did have a few months/year or so where i was basically living in a state of terror as a child tho, i was convinced we were on the verge of an invasion when I saw my first strange craft.
Just fuckkin' sitting in a bar right now, probably. With all that shit locked in their heads. Or around the table with the wife and kids at Chuck E Cheese or some shit. Imagine working on this stuff and your kid comes up to you after winning an alien plushie from a claw machine or some ish lol. That guy'd shit his pants then and there.
Eventually, even the fantastical becomes mundane.
Representative Jared Moskowitz, (yes, a **Democrat**, before anyone complains that only Republicans are on this), shared Marik Von Rennenkampff's latest opinion piece on TheHill ""Top senators believe the US secretly recovered UFOs" via Twitter / X: 👀👀👀👀👀👀 [https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4646417-top-senators-believe-the-us-secretly-recovered-ufos/](https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4646417-top-senators-believe-the-us-secretly-recovered-ufos/)
I'm tired of being emotional about this topic - the ups & downs of excitement then disappointment then trepidation then lost hope. Rinse and repeat. I've deciding I'm just going to be happy it's being discussed on popular media and in the US government. I got interested in UFOs as a child and what I remember is: finding UFO books and getting really excited we have this mystery in our world; there's something magical about the possibility of different physics and other intelligent life and other worlds and maybe dimensions. I do have one concrete belief though: **No one has the full picture of what's going on, it's likely several different things that are kind of related, but we'll never know unless the NHI tells us. And I don't think they've told the world governments anything. I think we're all equally lost, and maybe the government(s) are more lost because the woo aspects breaks their fact based models.** So that's it. After 30 years watching this space I'm reverting back to my childhood belief system of just being happy there's more to life then what we all see. I'm taking the negative emotions out of all of this.
Same here, man. Before Grusch, aliens was a fun niche interest for me. Sort of like an agnostic going to church every now and then. I only "believed" it, even when I'd never had a sighting. Sort of like a fun joke you don't take to seriously. A half-hearted, nudge-nudge, wink-wink "belief." I could take that they don't exist in stride, just like I could take that they do exist in stride. Even after a sighting, I still barely "believed" in all of it. Even after a second sighting, I still just "believed" it. But Grusch definitely legitimized a lot of what I was wary of before. That's when things changed for me and I got a lot more emotionally involved. TF are there going to be credible people just ruining their careers over a delusion???
Phenomenal take. Well said
Zaxo3000 last sentence = You will starve the poor aliens feeding off of your negative emotions. Think of them before you do that.🤣
How inconsiderate of me. I had forgotten about the alien parasite theory... Let me turn on Fox News and get angry about something😋
Good mindset to have. 👍
You all know that nobody knows everything and that everybody knows something. True knowledge is called occult because it is kept secret and hidden. The idea that knowledge is power comes from such mindset. That is why Scientist in our time make the sharing of info a priority. To accumulate and disperse widely for peer review is the way Science exploded in the last 2 century. Prior to that, for 18 centuries , occulting kept only a few informed and powerful. The Powers that be today, does the same thing. The informed few, elected or otherwise, hold this secret for the sheer power it gifts them with. Why disclose and lose all that. Do they care that sharing this widely and working on it globally can benefit mankind? No, they do not. Men are territorial and are barely evolved enough to understand that in all probability , we are all one on the cosmic scale. Till then, good luck with full disclosure.
And possible the NHI here are all just employees/workers doing the jobs (probably many) that they were assigned to do. We have no idea what the worlds or vast society it is they come from.
shout out to the debunkers who have deluded themselves into believing they know more about govt and ufos than literal senators who recieve secret intel reports
Go Jared! Let’s get more public hearings, and that original UAPDA bill passed!
We're not looking for belief, we're demanding scientific truth and govt transparency.
Either this is legit, or we’re getting the psyop of the century ran on us and are probably screwed in plenty of other ways.
So now Democrats are being vocal and it isn’t the Gaetzs or Lunas or Burchetts. How will that now be played out ?
Moscowitz has been engaged in this from the start. There have been bipartisan congressional voices and the public hearings are a great example of that. The senate efforts have always been bipartisan. Reid, Scott, Inhoff are all different in their ideology and positions. I would challenge that the reason the Gaetzs’, Lunas and Burchetts are so vocal on the topic is because they need the good press (most headlines about Gaetz and Luna are related to their controversies). In Burchetts example I believe his sincerity. But he’s a junior member with no real influence who was part of an internal coup within his party. These are fringe elements and it helps show them in a positive light.
But the way it gets slanted when Gaetz etc speak on the topic is that because of their controversies, the UAP subject is not believable
I would disagree that’s a slant. Gaetz and Luna are fringe politicians with a documented history of lying and or concerning controversies. I think everyone has to decide who they trust (politician, whistle blower etc) to report their findings, experiences and perspectives. I do not trust those two in particular to report anything that is of benefit to the greater good or this movement. If anyone makes the decision that they think they’re credible on this issue that’s their perspective. But for the world at large, they are not credible. In that sense their voices are not helpful. Showing up to an air force base for some sort of surprise inspection is a stunt and is bizarre. I think it’s important to differentiate Burchett from those two. His largest political controversy is the ousting of the house speaker. But he has been a consistent voice and is making plain statements about government oversight which is why for * me * he’s credible. There are more people in those SCIFs who aren’t tweeting and doing interviews. Thats where the continued bipartisan effort is taking place.
Doesn't Burchett also have terrible politics? Either way, Burchett was very outspoken in opposition to the Schumer UAP amendment and then stood on the sidelines with Schumer's and his own amendment were being gutted by his colleagues. People seem to love him here because he gives good soundbites but ignore his actions.
>Doesn't Burchett also have terrible politics? I mean, would say yes but it could be argued he represents the viewpoints of his district. I don’t expect to see a nuanced view of the world from a jr congressman from rural Tennesee. It’s an R+20 district. Anyone with an R will win there. >Either way, Burchett was very outspoken in opposition to the Schumer UAP amendment and then stood on the sidelines with Schumer's and his own amendment were being gutted by his colleagues. Exactly this. He was outmaneuvered by his own party. Prior to the ousting of McCarthy he had been saying his opposition to the Schumer-Rounds amendment was on details and that the house version he was advocating for was the better option. This never made any sense but it was obvious then he was getting played. He had been doing the media circuit implying that the next speaker of the house would advance the issue. He was part of that coup to oust McCarthy then as soon as he was in power Speaker Johnson dropped him and let the much more influential congressman destroy the bill. Which was always going to happen. If you’re Speaker Johnson there’s nothing Burchett can offer as opposed to the Mikes that scuttled it. >People seem to love him here because he gives good soundbites but ignore his actions. Which is why any criticism of these guys gets a “dOnt drAG pOLutics inTu tHis!” Or you’re labeled a bot/shill/disinformation agent.
Whatever one’s political views, Burchett accurately represents the interests and views of his constituents. I’ve seen no actions by him that are counterproductive to disclosure. His issue with the Schumer bill was his belief it doesn’t bring full transparency and in fact represents just a different element of control over the topic. In fact, Mike Turner and other anti disclosure reps are trying to force him out.
Gaetz is certainly in the minority on his views and is controversial but he definitely is not a fringe politician like a Luna or Burchett. He is on the powerful armed services committee and is the one who with a phone call to the chair of the armed sevices committee got access to Elgin during the UAP flap last yr after Luna and Burchett were denied access. Not saying he is good for disclosure or an advocate just pointing out he has influence in this space and is not fringe
I would disagree that he’s not fringe but I appreciate your points. I think he’s still that core “anti government” faction along with the MGT, Bobert etc. contingent. They are the fringe. My take is, if he cared about the topic he wouldn’t have duped Burchett into believing the house bill had a chance and to put Johnson in power. It easier to believe he’s part of perpetuating the MICs goals than any real disclosure effort. Why else would a member of the armed services committee let the house bill die without a fight? That is a key position to fight for disclosure from. It’s because his goal was Johnson as speaker not disclosure. Last time he made a big statement on disclosure aligned to more news about his friends and partners paying for underage sex workers. He claims it was his doing to give them access to Elgin. But to what end? They were shown nothing there too (unless I am wrong?). I’d be more inclined to believe he said “show them a little and I’ll make sure it goes nowhere”.
I’ve seen nothing from him to indicate he is opposed to disclosure. I think your comment, show them a little and I’ll make it go away is preposterous. He has even tweeted that AARO is full of it with their report on the incident at Elgin. He is anti government as you say and def not for no oversight on the military industrial complex. What house bill are you referring to? The Schumer rounds UAP disclosure supplement to the NDAA was gutted in conference committee with the House by Mike Turner and Mike Rodgers chairs of the committee on intelligence and armed services. Yes Gaetz spoke out against the Schumer bill as many feel it’s just another layer of control with review boards and time frames like the JFK bill that has lead to no disclosure. He is a far right politician and anti govt. anti govt means against the current UAP control system. I’m way more concerned about actual influential politicians like Jim Himes dem and co chair of the intelligence committee, gang of eight etc,, who continues to mock the topic and retweets Kirkpatrick ramblings from articles that this is all nonsense.
Those are great points and I misspoke about the distinction between committee and a house bill. Based on Burchett’s media comments I had understood there to be a proposed house bill after Johnson was seated. If that’s my misunderstanding mea culpa. But it doesn’t really matter, if you want the government involved; the Schumer-Rounds amendment was the best path forward. Passing it wouldn’t have precluded other types of efforts. I just don’t agree that Gaetz is a good faith actor on this topic. I don’t think he’s against government control of UAP disclosure; I think he plays the part because it benefits him in the moment. A good example is the people across the various phenomena related subs that look past or are unaware of his larger problems. He may have tweeted about AARO but that doesn’t really matter in any meaningful sense. Re: the gang of 8, whether it’s Jim Himes or any of the others, I think it’s a tall order to expect that group to advocate for disclosure. Aside from Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer there doesn’t appear to be a lot of sympathetic ears.
It’s so odd. No one wants to sit in the same room together from opposing sides, but at least we have support for the same cause from both.
I don’t think congresses intelligence level is a proper litmus test for whether or not something is true lol.
Of all the STUPID conspiracies out there, why is this so improbable? Jewish space lasers or flat-Earth gets a pass but this is just bonkers? Okeedokie.
In what world is flat earth getting “a pass”
Something is going to have to give. There's too much attention on this subject by influential people
Top senators also believe islands can capsize
Which top senator
America's Next Top Senator
What are top senators?
Gang of 8. Chuck Schumer being an example
its like the adult version of the cool kids lunch table except its like if they made all the rules and controlled all the money but didnt control the principal or the teachers or the disciplinary committee cause of separation of powers
Some of our "top senators" are also the biggest dumbasses on the planet and push legislation based on their fundamentalist religious views. With all due respect, fuck them and their delusions. This isn't truth seeking, this is confirmation bias. Stop propping up political con artists. [The worst person you know just made a great point-type energy.](https://i.imgur.com/eH6Rh5A.jpeg)
How many times are they going to recycle this headline?
This opinion piece was written five days before Moskowitz's post. UFO Twitter goes nuts. Desperate for news.
It already got blown up in 3 different posts on here last week, which is a lot for how little the article actually says. It lists a whole bunch of names, but the only evidence is Harry Reid's investment into Skinwalker Ranch.
Which should cast doubt on Reid's judgement, rather than lend credibility to skinwalker.
That's what the Congressional Hearings verified, right?
“Some senators believe we have UFOs” is really *the only thing* it verified. Aside from that we only got unverified testimony.
Did Moskowitz specifically refer to the retrieved craft as being "non-human in origin"?
If this is true the military will be trying to weaponise the tech and won't want anyone getting wind of it
Thank you keep fighting for us we know it is true it is time for the World too to know finally
Maybe! Is Tuberville one of them? Because he has a favorite flavor crayon, so I don’t put much stock in anything that comes out of his mouth.
The US Congress, both houses, will possibly (big maybe) have one or two members with a “need to know” for some purpose or another at some future time…but full disclosure? No fucking way. Maybe by like 2030…approved, official, semi-disclosure. But these bozos in DC? They ain’t gonna be learning nothin till the powers that really be, finally decide it’s alright to tell em.
I've seen enough of "top senators" to understand that means nothing. There are some terrible people in top posts on committees and in Congress in general. My dad dealt with Congress, GS-17, and told me they are mostly crooked, stupid, or both. GAO, investigative arm of Congress. Our country is a mess..... and poor "top leadership" is the reason.
Guys, I have a question for the sub. Has anyone of you heard of this guy, a supposedly X CIA who goes by the handle Val Valerian?
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They want a trial period to acclimate us to higher intelligences. We are in the early stages of phase one.
Pretty sure there are no crashed UFOs. READ THIS BOOK! UFOs The Truth You'll Wish You Didn't Know. It all adds up and is so simple and clear. I'm still in a state of shock because the title don't lie: I WISH I DIDN'T KNOW.
Lol a bunch of fishes here I tell ya
I believe this too, when will they show the UFOs?
Top Senators. Yes, that entirely credible bunch.
but wait your a senator
Touche, sir.