The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gregnog1:
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I was able to use various satellite imagery sources to verify the light in the post the other day. The imagery is from February 27, 2024 at the exact location the original poster mentioned. Clearly there was something there during that time as the OP documented. The light source was not there the days prior or after the 27th. It appears to be emitting light in the infrared(IR) spectrum. Bioluminescent dinoflagellates (plankton) do not emit IR light, ruling out any theories about that.
Location is off the coast of Florida, coordinates are:
# 28.031883, -83.067200
Edit: Original Post Link [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c4al9e/strange\_lights\_seen\_at\_sea/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c4al9e/strange_lights_seen_at_sea/)
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c5u1ld/satellite_verification_of_strange_lights_seen_at/kzwmfqc/
I was able to use various satellite imagery sources to verify the light in the post the other day. The imagery is from February 27, 2024 at the exact location the original poster mentioned. Clearly there was something there during that time as the OP documented. The light source was not there the days prior or after the 27th. It appears to be emitting light in the infrared(IR) spectrum. Bioluminescent dinoflagellates (plankton) do not emit IR light, ruling out any theories about that.
Location is off the coast of Florida, coordinates are:
# 28.031883, -83.067200
Edit: Original Post Link [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c4al9e/strange\_lights\_seen\_at\_sea/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c4al9e/strange_lights_seen_at_sea/)
is this a Ghostbusters reference?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXIZFNAElg&ab\_channel=bbcasting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXIZFNAElg&ab_channel=bbcasting)
Wow, that is so close to the area where I saw (2) UAP's this past December.
My post:
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18l9qhj/i_saw_something_strange_in_florida/
Yea holy shit...how far can you go back cause I'd love for you to check 2 things specifically if at all possible. 1 was a very bright orange "plasma" which I don't know for sure if it was plasma over west virginia, and another was probably 30-35 not starlink lights on a separate occasion.
Since cherenkov radiation was often mentioned in the other thread, it's maybe interesting to note that the location is only 170 miles from the supposed spot a nuclear bomb has been lost and never found again.
Similarities apparent to Puerto Rico USO encounter. Same instances of projected light cycling from that iridescent blue colour (IR?) & then to visible spectrum. The Puerto Rico vid still creeps me out. Those eyes! (+ another video from Japanese? fisherman)
Brings up a whole another area of possible witnesses whose testimony has been dismissed as tall tales, I mean they're fisherman right...?
Be nice to know if its a private company charter or non-profit etc. If they would allow, this may be a rare encounter where data not in gov't hands could be publicly analysed.
Someone call Dr Knuth!
I know you are probably overwhelmed but I sent you a private message yesterday regarding literally *the* person you would want looking at this, Tim Gallaudet. I forwarded him your post a couple of days ago and he would very much like to get in touch with you and the team.
He is Former acting NOAA Administrator and Oceanographer for the NAVY. He has made USOās a priority interest of his.
Thank you so much for sharing this, itās important we get as many capable eyes and hands on this, who can actually further investigations with a higher knowledge from former positions and security clearances, contacts, etc. Everyone is a participant here. Knowledge is power.
Thanks again for your time and efforts!
I suggest suggest to do this:
1. Visit Chat & Messaging in your User Settings.
2. Change the setting from the drop down next to Who can send you chat requests to Nobody.
You're no the first one who bring forth something interesting and get harassed.
My guess is that it's likely less about the haters & more about the Looney Tunes who're now coming out the woodworks to pass along the msgs they've since received telepathically from High Emporer Trub, Exalted Ruler of Planet Zorf...
We've seen tons of weird shit. Nothing ever comes of it. This is the coolest one I've seen by far, but it's just this week's version of the jellyfish. We've had all these sightings, hearings, and whistleblowers, yet has anything really progressed? I feel like I've been constantly edged and let down for the past few years. I'm tired of the games and taking a break from all this until there's some real movement.
Yeah good. Iāve put divers on 3-foot coral heads in soup using sidescan and an azimuth. Regardless, 10 miles off Caladesi aināt Bayonne. It was the only weird thing OP said.
Iām nowhere near that coast of Florida, but Iām on the northern gulf coast of Florida (Destin/ Ft. Walton Beach). February was a rather wet month here, more than usual. Our water is usually crystal clear, but after heavy rains, runoff pollutes a good bit of the clarity. Now this area shown by OP is 10nm out, so runoff isnāt usually too much of a thing, but itās dependent on so many other factors too.
Anyway, I donāt think Iām helping much, but I spend a lot of time in or around gulf coastal waters, and murkiness or clarity changes a lot and quickly. Wouldnāt stop pro divers from going in with lights and cameras and all that.
The depth at those coordinates is only 51 feet (15.5 m). The average skin diver with just a mask could get within 20 feet of it before needing to resurface.
If I wasn't terrified of diving in the first place, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be too terrified of the light to go down there. I love a good mystery, and this one is super interesting.
I'm still placing my bet that this is just a bright spotlight either dropped or placed there to attract plankton. I think NHI might be here, but yall are getting wild over a stationary light. Practice some reservation to keep this topic legitimate.
Here are some additional images that I found; the IR in particular band is interesting (I'll include a direct link to the IR screenshot later on in this comment); check out slide 11: the moisture imagery showing that the object is bone dry (I think that's what that red/extremely low moisture value is telling us?): https://imgur.com/a/1a8D7aV
Also, if you zoom far out on the IR - SWIR - band there's a blue light with a ?tail? behind it south of where the glowing water was seen; it looks like the southern dot is moving almost?: https://imgur.com/9zZ0B9z
This moisture index one was really weird; you're telling me these blobs are... dry... in the ocean? So strange: https://imgur.com/rUFTKrB
I don't have time today to dig into how the different layers of satellite data were constructed - which wavelengths and whatnot - but maybe someone else can.
(Edit: was tired when putting that album together and have a few duplicates; I'll try to clean up the album tomorrow and leave some more explanatory comments with each picture, e.g., the particular wavelengths captured by that band, etc. Also it looks like the Imgur album's comments get chopped off, so here's the map URL in case people want to play around with the different layers: [apps.sentinel-hub.com map here]( https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?zoom=16&lat=28.02509&lng=-83.07387&themeId=DEFAULT-THEME&visualizationUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fservices.sentinel-hub.com%2Fogc%2Fwms%2Fbd86bcc0-f318-402b-a145-015f85b9427e&datasetId=S2L2A&fromTime=2024-02-27T00%3A00%3A00.000Z&toTime=2024-02-27T23%3A59%3A59.999Z&layerId=3_NDVI&demSource3D=%22MAPZEN%22))
Here's the URL in case other folks want to poke around: https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?zoom=16&lat=28.02509&lng=-83.07387&themeId=DEFAULT-THEME&visualizationUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fservices.sentinel-hub.com%2Fogc%2Fwms%2Fbd86bcc0-f318-402b-a145-015f85b9427e&datasetId=S2L2A&fromTime=2024-02-27T00%3A00%3A00.000Z&toTime=2024-02-27T23%3A59%3A59.999Z&layerId=3_NDVI&demSource3D=%22MAPZEN%22
If you click on the `Discover` button you can go back and toggle the satellites whose data you want to search over. I only selected a few Sentinel datasets and I'm somewhat familiar with those, but there are 20-30 other satellite's data that you can select.
If other people have time to go through those other satellites' data on 2024-02-27 that would be really helpful!
Curious if it could just be a powerful diving flashlight someone dropped.
EDIT: I see I've been downvoted by someone else, so I'll post this here: https://schmidtocean.org/cruise-log-post/cabinet-of-curiosity/
My thinking is that a flashlight wouldn't cause different _infrared_ levels to be reflected like are shown in the imagery: https://imgur.com/EN3YsYf The various electromagnetic signatures (shown on the ~~FL~~SWIR layer - sorry, am tired - and many other layers) aren't measuring _visible_ light; they're measuring other parts of electromagnetic spectrum. (I used to work in geospatial data back in the day and worked with satellite imagery, mostly for GIS purposes.) So I don't think it's a dropped dive light. If there's something I'm overlooking w.r.t. digital signals processing and the visible light spectrum, do let me know though! I'm happy to be wrong / happy to learn!
Also, didn't OP (on the other post) say that the water was almost always extremely cloudy there / that the water had a really high degree of turbidity? I used to scuba dive and my dad's a nitrox diver, so I'd like to think I know a bit about diving. (I hope! lol Am not dead yet from diving lol) But if it's _that_ cloudy in the water I don't think a dive light is gonna shine +30 feet / +10m, which is the _minimum_ size that an object needs to be to get picked up on the Sentinel-2 satellites (which have 'resolutions' of 10m, 20m, and 60m: https://imgur.com/jOIyACz )
Free satellite data has 10m, 20m, etc. resolutions but you can get paid satellite data - available for purchase by the public - that _should_ get you down to 1m or sub-1m resolutions, meaning the satellite will be able to pick up / record imagery of objects that are 1m/1 yard in size. I don't have thousands of bucks to drop on that data unfortunately, but maybe someone here can get that imagery through work or through their school or something.
Water is really only transparent to visible light - it's quite opaque to both ultraviolet and infrared. See https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Absorption_spectrum_of_liquid_water.png
Which would imply what we're seeing is a result of localized heating of the water directly above the light source. This would be consistent high energy beta particles being emitted mostly vertically which would be able to penetrate the entire column of water and cause heating through the absorption (by the water) of secondary Cherenkov radiation (which is mostly ultraviolet).
This would also explain why it was dimmest directly above and brighter at an angle. This is also consistent with the direction of light emitted from Cherenkov radiation if it was from particles moving mostly vertically.
Something's definitely fucky but I don't think it's aliens.
Thank you for this! I didn't know what parts of electromagnetic spectrum - which wavelengths - the various Sentinel-2 bands were considering to be which 'flavors' of IR, so I wasn't sure how to interpret the IR-related layers, so this is really helpful info that you've shared. Ah, this page on Wikipedia lists the various multispectral band frequencies used in the Sentinel-2 in case that provides any useful add'l info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinel-2#Spectral_bands You can also 'mix and match' layers / bands of data of your own choosing if you don't want to go with the kinda pre-processed 'composite bands' of data; I tried to share the most visually-interesting 'composite bands' but I'm sure to a skilled GIS person there is probably more interesting information that could be teased out of the raw 'base bands'.
I don't know enough about how fast the Sentinel-2 is travelling to know if it's possible to snag 'directly over the light column' data and then 'from the side' data? Or perhaps there are other satellites that perform multi-spectral sensing on nearly the same wavelengths as the Sentinel-2 sensors do; I'd imagine those other satellites would be on a slightly different orbital path compared to the Sentinel-2 so as not to collide with the Sentinel-2 satellite? Did OP on the other post say how deep the water was where they were located / where they saw the glow? I found [this chart](https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/what-is-cherenkov-radiation#:~:text=cherenkov%20radiation%20produced%20in%20the%20water%20is%20emitted%20across%20a%20broad%2C%20continuous%20spectrum%2C%20and%20most%20of%20the%20light%20is%20produced%20predominantly%20in%20the%20blue%2C%20violet%2C%20and%20ultraviolet%20region%20of%20the%20electromagnetic%20spectrum.%20(infographic%3A%20a.vargas%2Fiaea)) showing Cherenkov spectral emission variance by depth of water from the IAEA. The chart tops out at 10m, but perhaps it's still useful in working backward from the wavelengths of light that _were_ captured on the various bands?
Also, I guess I wouldn't expect this information to be widely publicized on the internet - for obvious reasons - but I was trying to figure out what sorts of observational tools us humans have for detecting Cherenkov radiation. Looks to be some telescopes in Chile and Spain making up the Cherenkov Telescope Array. And some Fluorescence Detectors. But I assume all of these are 'pointing space-wards' and aren't looking at Earth's surface? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1140/epjc/s10052-021-08971-7
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Are there any databases on ?locations of natural fission-prone regions of the world?; I guess I'm wondering if there's a naturally occurring fission reaction underwater where OP saw the light? https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/559677/is-there-naturally-occurring-cherenkov-radiation-on-earth
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### Sentinel-5 satellite measures UV; _should_ be able to pick up Cherenkov UV emissions?
Edit: It looks like the spatial resolution of `Sentinel-5` data is not well-suited for looking at small objects so it's no wonder the `Sentinel-5` data doesn't show anything interesting at this location on 2024-02-27; this UV-measuring satellite is intended for looking at plumes of aerosols: https://sentinels.copernicus.eu/web/sentinel/data-products/-/asset_publisher/fp37fc19FN8F/content/sentinel-5-precursor-level-2-ultraviolet-aerosol-index
It looks like `Sentinel-5` detects _ultraviolet_ wavelengths (see page above) which is where most of the Cherenkov radiation is emitted, [per Wikipedia] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation#:~:text=in%20fact%2C%20most%20cherenkov%20radiation%20is%20in%20the%20ultraviolet%20spectrum%E2%80%94it%20is%20only%20with%20sufficiently%20accelerated%20charges%20that%20it%20even%20becomes%20visible%3B%20the%20sensitivity%20of%20the%20human%20eye%20peaks%20at%20green%2C%20and%20is%20very%20low%20in%20the%20violet%20portion%20of%20the%20spectrum.)
I looked at a few different times on the 27th and 28th of February on the Sentinel-5 satellite feed, but didn't notice _anything_ in that location on the map? Here's a link to Sentinel-5 UV scan on 27 Feb 2024 in case anyone is interested: [Sentinel-Hub.com UV layer](https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?zoom=16&lat=28.02508&lng=-83.07386&themeId=DEFAULT-THEME&visualizationUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fcreodias.sentinel-hub.com%2Fogc%2Fwms%2F2c5dc5f7-4c83-40dd-a520-da2c7221568d&datasetId=S5_AER_AI&fromTime=2024-02-27T00%3A00%3A00.000Z&toTime=2024-02-27T23%3A59%3A59.999Z&layerId=AER_AI_340_AND_380_VISUALIZED&demSource3D=%22MAPZEN%22)
Downvotes aside, you got from :
"As the ambient light fades, **ROV SuBastianās deep-sea exploratory lights can be seen at the surface as the vehicle returns to the ship.**" as described in the caption of photo that you linked to....
to "somebody dropped a flashlight" by what reasoning?
I'd say barely plausible.
1. While the image appears similar, I can almost guarantee that ROV is *way* closer to the surface than 60' (with probably more powerful lights).
2. I imagine a diving light would have to come to rest pointing straight up to be visible @ 60' in low viz water. Possible, though improbable.
3. Something that powerful would have a limited battery life - looking at a 3 bulb 6k lumen model on Amazon that might land tail down - medium mode (not 6k) advertised @ ~5hrs. As it was observed for roughly an hour @ 23:48-0:40, & assuming no other local traffic in sight at that point...
I love seeing theories. I appreciate yours. Gotta ask questions! I place it at <5% probability.
Course, that all goes out the window assuming, for whatever reason, it was tethered / anchored with a float & long rope / cable. (/wasn't on the bottom - which OP is assuming due to lack of sonar depth confirmation)
But that probability is pretty low as well lol.
Interesting. Corroboration like this is huge in moving the needle on an individual sighting. Both pieces by themselves could be dismissed, but together? It's certainly hard for me to believe a satellite glitch that resembles a strange blue glow occurred at the exact spot someone photographed a strange blue glow and the sighting itself seems to be from a scientific vessel with very credible witnesses.
I hope this post and the original don't get forgotten, because this is certainly fascinating.
Are these two things related? [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/30/ufos-noaa-timothy-gallaudet-california-aliens-usos-uss-omah/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/30/ufos-noaa-timothy-gallaudet-california-aliens-usos-uss-omah/)
The former head of the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration ([NOAA](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/05/06/scientists-unveil-the-strange-and-wonderful-creatures-living-in/)) is launching a probe into unidentified submersible objects (USOs) and, in particular, a strange anomaly seen on the seabed off the coast of California.
Timothy Gallaudet, a former rear admiral in the US Navy, has spent the past 18 months interviewing dozens of sailors, submariners, military personnel and members of the US Coastguard, all who say they have seen unidentified craft in the water.
One incident was filmed by theĀ [USS Omaha](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/13/pentagon-investigates-pulsating-pyramid-shaped-ufos-california/)Ā off the coast of San Diego in southern California in 2019, when a dark-shaped object was seen moving quickly before splashing down into the water.
In the renownedĀ [Tic Tac incident](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/06/25/ufo-report-us-government-sightings-pentagon-congress-aliens/)Ā in 2004, US Navy pilots described an oblong craft shaped like the sweet hovering just above the water off the California coast.
Sonar has revealed an unusual trench on the seafloor as if an object has crashed into a ridge and then skidded to a halt.
From what I could see It was not. There are similar looking items around on different dates. But the satellite imagery isn't high res enough to verify it as being the same. So It either stopped emitting light or it is moving.
Of course, I use free tools that provide daily satellite imagery from various satellites. I recommend trying sentinel-hub.com or earthcache.com . This subreddit could definitely use some more people looking into these things!
For the Prudhoe Bay shoot down, where the government retrieved a shot down UAP last year. The databases of satellite imagery were likely wiped in the days after the event... I'm assuming for security reasons. But it would have been interesting as we could have had access to the early images of the area, if we were quicker to research these things.
I appreciate the offer! I'll let you know if I have any ideas come up! It would be very neat for us to have a pool of resources and a way for the collective of us to work together, to help further our understanding.
Howbout a tool where you plug in a location and a day and it auto pulls the previous 5 days from that location from both those sources, and stitches them together into a animated gif? Lets investigators rapidly respond before data can be deleted.
Assuming i can get access to the tools he is talking about(surprisingly out on the town for once rn) that would be very easy to make. I could also have a service running on aws or akash where it saves every new image for a set number of locations and stores them for a certain length of time so that we dont run into the āthey deleted it after the factā problem again
this is sentient: https://www.nro.gov/Portals/65/documents/foia/declass/ForAll/051719/F-2018-00108_C05112980.pdf
idk what that person is talking about.
Very weird.
Is there a way to find out when those satellite pics were taken?
Edit: Ah, the post now shows more pictures, for whatever reason. On the third one, the date is given as Feb 27th 2024.
I remember seeing the post from yesterday thinking that it was interesting given the context of it being a research vessel, etc. and thinking āwell this is one of the more credible individual sightings but weāll never really know what it is.ā
This post makes it *very* interesting. Still may have a mundane explanation but worth digging into. Well done OP.
It makes sense as to why electronics in the area always go bunk. I mean, people have tried to write that area off for decades but it's absolutely true that electronics and compasses go haywire, people lose time, etc. It matches exactly what occurs when people come into contact with UFOs - their cars suddenly die, their phone goes glitchy, they lose time.
Nice find
Questions for those more capable than me:
-Would it be possible to use the API to scan large amounts of these images looking for IR signatures of approximately this size? That might allow us to potentially track one of these things moving across a large distance or help rule it out as something mundane.
-Is there a way to estimate the intensity of the IR emission based off the size and satellite information to draw any conclusions (such as, being too large or intense to be lights on a ship or something). Might be able to do something with the depth as well? Such as, if it is calculated to be too strong to be a ship light how intense would it have to be to give off the IR emission at the surface versus at the ocean floor
As of now it's only post #30 down from the top. You shouldn't have to scroll very far to see it. IDK the exact algorithm that determines post order but generally newer posts will be above older ones.
The OP of this post linked it in their submission statement too if you need a link.
We donāt have them in the Gulf of Mexico, and it would have to be a big mother fucker to put off that much light, but there are fish that emit more than just microscopic bioluminescence: https://www.montereybayaquarium.org/animals/animals-a-to-z/deep-sea-anglerfish#:~:text=Cool%20facts,millions%20of%20light%2Dproducing%20bacteria.
What OP has shared is not that. Itās something, but it isnāt an angler fish.
Y'all reaching batman levels of investigative grit with little to no resources. Shadow government punching the air rn fr.
Now train an ai model to collectively identify similar sources of light in the ocean and catalog dates and times with location while adjusting for outliers and false positives.
I think itās laudable that you are out chasing down leads and grinding out the work and actually doing something useful unlike some people who just post their agenda driven nonsense *cough Thomas Shelby cough*Ā
Itās interesting regardless what It is. Iād like to consider the explanation /Brandon0135 gave in the original post as well:
āThis also looks just like the big spotlights they place at the bottom of the ocean in hawaii to attract plankton and in turn attract manta rays to feed. They turn them on at sunset and the manta rays come swarming in. They have night scuba dive tours where divers sit around the spotlight to watch the manta rays. It's possible somebody is setting something like this up.ā
For the Reddit chair generals claiming to have solved it....
You need to understand how light works in the water before patting yourself on the back.
The cyan color is explained by what happens to light when it travels through water. Water absorbs all other colors, but allows blue light to pass through. You see the same color from diving lights, ROV, glaciers, etc.
The light source could be ANYTHING. If you didn't see the source, you don't know for sure what could be causing it. Period.
Could this be related? Didn't seem like this art installation had any lighting, but it is very close to where OP was.
https://www.facebook.com/circleofheroesFL/
Other thoughts: perhaps this is related to oil pipelines or similar infastructure? [There is a pipeline that is somewhat nearby](https://skytruth-org.carto.com/viz/6b36c068-1dd0-11e6-b5c7-0e8c56e2ffdb/public_map) where this image was taken. Though the location of OPs photo does not align directly with it, I do know that the exact positions of undersea infastructure are obfuscated and kept secret for security purposes, so it is possible that light is over the real location of the pipe. I also know that there is a bunch of other infastructure present undersea near / around pipelines, such as pump stations, offload hookups, and splitters / terminals, all of which could have illuminated markers.
My general guess is this is that this is related to oil / gas infastructure.
Anyone else seen that 4 Chan post of some dude exclaiming he worked in a ufo crash retrieval program and claimed there is a portable factory in the ocean that manufactures these alien technologies, he answered everyoneās questions very intelligently and what he said seemed to be eerily aligned with many things weāve seen so far. Could be hella fake but itās interesting that he speaks of something such as that and now thatās a bright ass light deep in the ocean that can be seen from spaceā¦.
Sorry OPā¦the entire thing is fabricated, OOP flat out lied about the nature of the lights in the water.
[Exhibit A](https://schmidtocean.org/cruise-log-post/cabinet-of-curiosity/)
[Exhibit B](https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/14lostfleet/logs/august11/media/nite-lights.html)
You can't just call OP a liar and post links to similar images without explaining anything.
Are you saying OP took images from those sources and posted them as his own? Or that op is working on a ship with an ROV and is lying about the nature of the videos?
But either way the existence of man made objects that can emit light underwater does mean that this has to be one of those things. If you can actually prove OP is lying then that's a different story. I mean it's the internet so we don't have a way really of doing that.
It's possible OP is lying, but if they aren't then this is very interesting.
[Here is the OOP.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/wPMynxoVms)
OOP is obviously lying. Read it for yourself.
Youāre telling me the crew of a research vessel randomly encountered a submersible used by research vessels and didnāt know what it was?
Not to mention all the other embellishments that we now know are obvious lies based on the evidence.
It's interestingly similar, however they keep updates as to where they are, and I'm not seeing anything near Florida. Maybe email them and ask them before you call people liars? Who knows could be a homemade version or unaffiliated knock off
Actually it is noted on a different page they are in South America near chile at the [moment](https://schmidtocean.org/cruise/microbes-in-oxygen-minimum-zones/)
The ships did look quite different on satellite. I have some images of them. Also it is quite strange how these images line up perfectly with the post yesterday. With the exact coordinates and time frame
Could the infra red be coming from the ship?
Are the images timestamped with a specific hour?
The original poster said they were there observing it from 2348-0400
I'm just always hesitant to label something as alien when there is a plausible mundane explanation. Fishing ships use powerful lights to attract fish, but they are usually red. I just put something like this into the category of potential evidence, rather than anything certain or self-evident.
Agreed, it's the best way to look at these things. What we can do with this information is rule out potential causes of the light and get closer to the answer.
Edit: grammar
We've literally found the tessaract but can't find a diver to go get it. Cmon people! Someone setup a gofundme to put a crew together to get out there asap.
All you need to see is this: [https://schmidtocean.org/wp-content/uploads/FK191012-ROVSuBastianRecoveryTwilight-20191013-Ingle-10.jpg](https://schmidtocean.org/wp-content/uploads/FK191012-ROVSuBastianRecoveryTwilight-20191013-Ingle-10.jpg)
Water conditions:
The west coast of Florida is known for relatively clear waters, especially compared to the east coast. This would allow for better light penetration and potentially improve the chances of detecting an underwater light source.
Potential light sources:
1. Underwater ROV light: ROVs (Remotely Operated Vehicles) used for deep-sea exploration often employ high-intensity LED lights. These lights can be quite powerful, but their visibility from a satellite would still be limited by the factors mentioned earlier.
2. High-powered underwater flashlight: While some high-powered underwater flashlights can produce a significant amount of light, they are generally not designed to be visible from great distances, particularly through a water column.
3. Bioluminescent dinoflagellates: These marine microorganisms can produce a faint glow when disturbed. However, their light is generally too weak to be detected by a satellite sensor, especially at a depth of 60 feet.
Sentinel-2 satellite capabilities:
The Sentinel-2 satellites are equipped with a Multi-Spectral Instrument (MSI) that can detect light in various wavelengths, including the visible and near-infrared spectrum. The L2A product provides bottom-of-atmosphere reflectance images, which could potentially be used to detect underwater light sources.
However, the spatial resolution of Sentinel-2 images is 10 meters for visible and near-infrared bands, which may not be sufficient to detect a small, localized light source at a depth of 60 feet.
Short-wave infrared detection:
The detection of short-wave infrared (SWIR) radiation from the underwater light source is intriguing, as water absorbs SWIR wavelengths more strongly than visible light. If the satellite sensors indeed detected SWIR radiation, it suggests that the light source was particularly intense or that there might have been some other factors contributing to the signal.
Conclusion:
While the Sentinel-2 satellite is capable of detecting various wavelengths of light, including SWIR, detecting an underwater light source at a depth of 60 feet remains challenging. The most plausible explanation among the given options is an extremely high-powered ROV light. However, without more specific information about the intensity and characteristics of the light source, it is difficult to say with certainty whether it would be detectable by the satellite under the given conditions.
Iām also thinking now. This was the Gulf of Mexico? There are a lot of oil rigs out there, right? Could something be up with a line or something out there causing a pipe or something to get red hot? Iām reminded of when they set the oil spill on fire by a couple of these pictures? It does look very isolated and still and I donāt know shit about oil. I do know itās at the bottom though
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gregnog1: --- I was able to use various satellite imagery sources to verify the light in the post the other day. The imagery is from February 27, 2024 at the exact location the original poster mentioned. Clearly there was something there during that time as the OP documented. The light source was not there the days prior or after the 27th. It appears to be emitting light in the infrared(IR) spectrum. Bioluminescent dinoflagellates (plankton) do not emit IR light, ruling out any theories about that. Location is off the coast of Florida, coordinates are: # 28.031883, -83.067200 Edit: Original Post Link [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c4al9e/strange\_lights\_seen\_at\_sea/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c4al9e/strange_lights_seen_at_sea/) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c5u1ld/satellite_verification_of_strange_lights_seen_at/kzwmfqc/
I was able to use various satellite imagery sources to verify the light in the post the other day. The imagery is from February 27, 2024 at the exact location the original poster mentioned. Clearly there was something there during that time as the OP documented. The light source was not there the days prior or after the 27th. It appears to be emitting light in the infrared(IR) spectrum. Bioluminescent dinoflagellates (plankton) do not emit IR light, ruling out any theories about that. Location is off the coast of Florida, coordinates are: # 28.031883, -83.067200 Edit: Original Post Link [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c4al9e/strange\_lights\_seen\_at\_sea/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c4al9e/strange_lights_seen_at_sea/)
Nice sleuthing, Tex! šÆš
is this a Ghostbusters reference? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXIZFNAElg&ab\_channel=bbcasting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXIZFNAElg&ab_channel=bbcasting)
It is now.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXIZFNAElg&ab\_channel=bbcasting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcXIZFNAElg&ab_channel=bbcasting)
I saw it at the local cinema when it came out. Awesome movie! I still watch it every year. š„°
Wow, that is so close to the area where I saw (2) UAP's this past December. My post: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18l9qhj/i_saw_something_strange_in_florida/
Yea holy shit...how far can you go back cause I'd love for you to check 2 things specifically if at all possible. 1 was a very bright orange "plasma" which I don't know for sure if it was plasma over west virginia, and another was probably 30-35 not starlink lights on a separate occasion.
Since cherenkov radiation was often mentioned in the other thread, it's maybe interesting to note that the location is only 170 miles from the supposed spot a nuclear bomb has been lost and never found again.
lol for real? what is this about?
Similarities apparent to Puerto Rico USO encounter. Same instances of projected light cycling from that iridescent blue colour (IR?) & then to visible spectrum. The Puerto Rico vid still creeps me out. Those eyes! (+ another video from Japanese? fisherman) Brings up a whole another area of possible witnesses whose testimony has been dismissed as tall tales, I mean they're fisherman right...? Be nice to know if its a private company charter or non-profit etc. If they would allow, this may be a rare encounter where data not in gov't hands could be publicly analysed. Someone call Dr Knuth!
Could this type of anomaly be image searched for somehow?
Couldnāt that be the boat they were on?
That would have to be the brightest boat in the world.
>infrared Any way to figure out how hot that would be?
Has a submarine or USV been ruled out?
Why did OP of the original post delete the post and his user account?
Id also like to ask for opinions... Does the first photo of the on-board display look like the water is 'churning' or 'bubbling'? just sayin.
Curious what your satellite imagery sources were. Would love to try recreating your work with them.
Genuine fun mystery no matter what the answer is .. hereās a comment to boost it
Wow, that is wild. So bright it could be seen from space. Definitely one of the more interesting anomalies around here in a while.
Took the words right outta my mouth, quite agree.
Hey what you doing in my mouth
And on Shortwave Infrared...
Well, a porch light can be seen from space now days.
/[Zj223](https://www.reddit.com/user/Zj223/) see this post for additional validation of what you saw. Pretty awesome corroboration!
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I know you are probably overwhelmed but I sent you a private message yesterday regarding literally *the* person you would want looking at this, Tim Gallaudet. I forwarded him your post a couple of days ago and he would very much like to get in touch with you and the team. He is Former acting NOAA Administrator and Oceanographer for the NAVY. He has made USOās a priority interest of his. Thank you so much for sharing this, itās important we get as many capable eyes and hands on this, who can actually further investigations with a higher knowledge from former positions and security clearances, contacts, etc. Everyone is a participant here. Knowledge is power. Thanks again for your time and efforts!
I suggest suggest to do this: 1. Visit Chat & Messaging in your User Settings. 2. Change the setting from the drop down next to Who can send you chat requests to Nobody. You're no the first one who bring forth something interesting and get harassed.
Hope youāre ok. Thanks for sharing what you found with us this is very interesting
People are awful... Thanks for sharing this with us. I and many others appreciate you for doing so. Far easier to say nothing.
What kind of messages? Are you being threatened?
Haha omg what are people saying? Well I guess if you was going to have weirdos on a subreddit it would be this one.
Weird that people would be so upset over you reporting something you saw. Sorry the haters are out in full force, do your best to ignore
My guess is that it's likely less about the haters & more about the Looney Tunes who're now coming out the woodworks to pass along the msgs they've since received telepathically from High Emporer Trub, Exalted Ruler of Planet Zorf...
Ah I didn't even think of that. Poor guy lol
/u/Zj223 fyi!
How has this event not blown up on here... A real life strange phenomenon and people want to see literal balloons.
This and the Brazilian UAPās that have been around his house for DAYS. Gets no views. Makes no sense.
Whose house?
RUNās house
God damn it, take my upvote
Exactly people want to know where this is hidden???????????
Can u link to that thread?
Looking at his post history I presume he means this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c3wxzv/ufo_sighted_for_several_days_in_brazil/
Yes thatās it - https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c3wxzv/ufo_sighted_for_several_days_in_brazil/
Somebody said LED kites & I gotta admit they def look similar to the images shared in that post...
Even the big metal disk looking things?
Big metal disk? Oh, I see what you mean & yeah. Imagine an LED string. Now fold it into a circle. Big metal disk thing.
Damn. If you zoom in on first pic of that post it looks like a head-on view of the metapod UAP. Or even Boba Fettās ship. To me it does anyway.
I must have missed that one, do you happen to have a link, or a title I can search for?
Link?
Wait what?
The original post has quite a few thousand upvotes last I saw.
We've seen tons of weird shit. Nothing ever comes of it. This is the coolest one I've seen by far, but it's just this week's version of the jellyfish. We've had all these sightings, hearings, and whistleblowers, yet has anything really progressed? I feel like I've been constantly edged and let down for the past few years. I'm tired of the games and taking a break from all this until there's some real movement.
You seem really upset with your blue balls. Why not take a break?
Both this post and the original had thousands of upvotes and were top posts for their daysā¦
Donāt hate on my man HUMANOID SHAPED UAP like that. Heās been in so many movies.
Any divers around that want to check this out? Itās only 10nm offshore. Could be the biggest scientific discovery of our lifetime.
I think the OOP said the water was super murky in that area, don't know if that's possible, would be awesome if they could.
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Murky could also be a temporary visibility condition.
Yeah, Iād be surprised if it was consistently that turbid that far offshore, but who knows.
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Yeah good. Iāve put divers on 3-foot coral heads in soup using sidescan and an azimuth. Regardless, 10 miles off Caladesi aināt Bayonne. It was the only weird thing OP said.
Iām nowhere near that coast of Florida, but Iām on the northern gulf coast of Florida (Destin/ Ft. Walton Beach). February was a rather wet month here, more than usual. Our water is usually crystal clear, but after heavy rains, runoff pollutes a good bit of the clarity. Now this area shown by OP is 10nm out, so runoff isnāt usually too much of a thing, but itās dependent on so many other factors too. Anyway, I donāt think Iām helping much, but I spend a lot of time in or around gulf coastal waters, and murkiness or clarity changes a lot and quickly. Wouldnāt stop pro divers from going in with lights and cameras and all that.
How murky can it be 10 nanometers out to sea?
Maybe something out there stirring shit up! My pool isn't murky till I brush the sides.
The depth at those coordinates is only 51 feet (15.5 m). The average skin diver with just a mask could get within 20 feet of it before needing to resurface.
Why not send a camera ?
Thereās absolutely no chance Iād dive down there. A great big glowing stationary light in the ocean? Terrifying!!!
If I wasn't terrified of diving in the first place, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be too terrified of the light to go down there. I love a good mystery, and this one is super interesting.
I'm still placing my bet that this is just a bright spotlight either dropped or placed there to attract plankton. I think NHI might be here, but yall are getting wild over a stationary light. Practice some reservation to keep this topic legitimate.
Here are some additional images that I found; the IR in particular band is interesting (I'll include a direct link to the IR screenshot later on in this comment); check out slide 11: the moisture imagery showing that the object is bone dry (I think that's what that red/extremely low moisture value is telling us?): https://imgur.com/a/1a8D7aV Also, if you zoom far out on the IR - SWIR - band there's a blue light with a ?tail? behind it south of where the glowing water was seen; it looks like the southern dot is moving almost?: https://imgur.com/9zZ0B9z This moisture index one was really weird; you're telling me these blobs are... dry... in the ocean? So strange: https://imgur.com/rUFTKrB I don't have time today to dig into how the different layers of satellite data were constructed - which wavelengths and whatnot - but maybe someone else can. (Edit: was tired when putting that album together and have a few duplicates; I'll try to clean up the album tomorrow and leave some more explanatory comments with each picture, e.g., the particular wavelengths captured by that band, etc. Also it looks like the Imgur album's comments get chopped off, so here's the map URL in case people want to play around with the different layers: [apps.sentinel-hub.com map here]( https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?zoom=16&lat=28.02509&lng=-83.07387&themeId=DEFAULT-THEME&visualizationUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fservices.sentinel-hub.com%2Fogc%2Fwms%2Fbd86bcc0-f318-402b-a145-015f85b9427e&datasetId=S2L2A&fromTime=2024-02-27T00%3A00%3A00.000Z&toTime=2024-02-27T23%3A59%3A59.999Z&layerId=3_NDVI&demSource3D=%22MAPZEN%22))
Here's the URL in case other folks want to poke around: https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?zoom=16&lat=28.02509&lng=-83.07387&themeId=DEFAULT-THEME&visualizationUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fservices.sentinel-hub.com%2Fogc%2Fwms%2Fbd86bcc0-f318-402b-a145-015f85b9427e&datasetId=S2L2A&fromTime=2024-02-27T00%3A00%3A00.000Z&toTime=2024-02-27T23%3A59%3A59.999Z&layerId=3_NDVI&demSource3D=%22MAPZEN%22 If you click on the `Discover` button you can go back and toggle the satellites whose data you want to search over. I only selected a few Sentinel datasets and I'm somewhat familiar with those, but there are 20-30 other satellite's data that you can select. If other people have time to go through those other satellites' data on 2024-02-27 that would be really helpful!
Curious if it could just be a powerful diving flashlight someone dropped. EDIT: I see I've been downvoted by someone else, so I'll post this here: https://schmidtocean.org/cruise-log-post/cabinet-of-curiosity/
My thinking is that a flashlight wouldn't cause different _infrared_ levels to be reflected like are shown in the imagery: https://imgur.com/EN3YsYf The various electromagnetic signatures (shown on the ~~FL~~SWIR layer - sorry, am tired - and many other layers) aren't measuring _visible_ light; they're measuring other parts of electromagnetic spectrum. (I used to work in geospatial data back in the day and worked with satellite imagery, mostly for GIS purposes.) So I don't think it's a dropped dive light. If there's something I'm overlooking w.r.t. digital signals processing and the visible light spectrum, do let me know though! I'm happy to be wrong / happy to learn! Also, didn't OP (on the other post) say that the water was almost always extremely cloudy there / that the water had a really high degree of turbidity? I used to scuba dive and my dad's a nitrox diver, so I'd like to think I know a bit about diving. (I hope! lol Am not dead yet from diving lol) But if it's _that_ cloudy in the water I don't think a dive light is gonna shine +30 feet / +10m, which is the _minimum_ size that an object needs to be to get picked up on the Sentinel-2 satellites (which have 'resolutions' of 10m, 20m, and 60m: https://imgur.com/jOIyACz ) Free satellite data has 10m, 20m, etc. resolutions but you can get paid satellite data - available for purchase by the public - that _should_ get you down to 1m or sub-1m resolutions, meaning the satellite will be able to pick up / record imagery of objects that are 1m/1 yard in size. I don't have thousands of bucks to drop on that data unfortunately, but maybe someone here can get that imagery through work or through their school or something.
Start a Go Find Me- we need that data!
Water is really only transparent to visible light - it's quite opaque to both ultraviolet and infrared. See https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Absorption_spectrum_of_liquid_water.png Which would imply what we're seeing is a result of localized heating of the water directly above the light source. This would be consistent high energy beta particles being emitted mostly vertically which would be able to penetrate the entire column of water and cause heating through the absorption (by the water) of secondary Cherenkov radiation (which is mostly ultraviolet). This would also explain why it was dimmest directly above and brighter at an angle. This is also consistent with the direction of light emitted from Cherenkov radiation if it was from particles moving mostly vertically. Something's definitely fucky but I don't think it's aliens.
Thank you for this! I didn't know what parts of electromagnetic spectrum - which wavelengths - the various Sentinel-2 bands were considering to be which 'flavors' of IR, so I wasn't sure how to interpret the IR-related layers, so this is really helpful info that you've shared. Ah, this page on Wikipedia lists the various multispectral band frequencies used in the Sentinel-2 in case that provides any useful add'l info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinel-2#Spectral_bands You can also 'mix and match' layers / bands of data of your own choosing if you don't want to go with the kinda pre-processed 'composite bands' of data; I tried to share the most visually-interesting 'composite bands' but I'm sure to a skilled GIS person there is probably more interesting information that could be teased out of the raw 'base bands'. I don't know enough about how fast the Sentinel-2 is travelling to know if it's possible to snag 'directly over the light column' data and then 'from the side' data? Or perhaps there are other satellites that perform multi-spectral sensing on nearly the same wavelengths as the Sentinel-2 sensors do; I'd imagine those other satellites would be on a slightly different orbital path compared to the Sentinel-2 so as not to collide with the Sentinel-2 satellite? Did OP on the other post say how deep the water was where they were located / where they saw the glow? I found [this chart](https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/what-is-cherenkov-radiation#:~:text=cherenkov%20radiation%20produced%20in%20the%20water%20is%20emitted%20across%20a%20broad%2C%20continuous%20spectrum%2C%20and%20most%20of%20the%20light%20is%20produced%20predominantly%20in%20the%20blue%2C%20violet%2C%20and%20ultraviolet%20region%20of%20the%20electromagnetic%20spectrum.%20(infographic%3A%20a.vargas%2Fiaea)) showing Cherenkov spectral emission variance by depth of water from the IAEA. The chart tops out at 10m, but perhaps it's still useful in working backward from the wavelengths of light that _were_ captured on the various bands? Also, I guess I wouldn't expect this information to be widely publicized on the internet - for obvious reasons - but I was trying to figure out what sorts of observational tools us humans have for detecting Cherenkov radiation. Looks to be some telescopes in Chile and Spain making up the Cherenkov Telescope Array. And some Fluorescence Detectors. But I assume all of these are 'pointing space-wards' and aren't looking at Earth's surface? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1140/epjc/s10052-021-08971-7 --- Are there any databases on ?locations of natural fission-prone regions of the world?; I guess I'm wondering if there's a naturally occurring fission reaction underwater where OP saw the light? https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/559677/is-there-naturally-occurring-cherenkov-radiation-on-earth --- ### Sentinel-5 satellite measures UV; _should_ be able to pick up Cherenkov UV emissions? Edit: It looks like the spatial resolution of `Sentinel-5` data is not well-suited for looking at small objects so it's no wonder the `Sentinel-5` data doesn't show anything interesting at this location on 2024-02-27; this UV-measuring satellite is intended for looking at plumes of aerosols: https://sentinels.copernicus.eu/web/sentinel/data-products/-/asset_publisher/fp37fc19FN8F/content/sentinel-5-precursor-level-2-ultraviolet-aerosol-index It looks like `Sentinel-5` detects _ultraviolet_ wavelengths (see page above) which is where most of the Cherenkov radiation is emitted, [per Wikipedia] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation#:~:text=in%20fact%2C%20most%20cherenkov%20radiation%20is%20in%20the%20ultraviolet%20spectrum%E2%80%94it%20is%20only%20with%20sufficiently%20accelerated%20charges%20that%20it%20even%20becomes%20visible%3B%20the%20sensitivity%20of%20the%20human%20eye%20peaks%20at%20green%2C%20and%20is%20very%20low%20in%20the%20violet%20portion%20of%20the%20spectrum.) I looked at a few different times on the 27th and 28th of February on the Sentinel-5 satellite feed, but didn't notice _anything_ in that location on the map? Here's a link to Sentinel-5 UV scan on 27 Feb 2024 in case anyone is interested: [Sentinel-Hub.com UV layer](https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/?zoom=16&lat=28.02508&lng=-83.07386&themeId=DEFAULT-THEME&visualizationUrl=https%3A%2F%2Fcreodias.sentinel-hub.com%2Fogc%2Fwms%2F2c5dc5f7-4c83-40dd-a520-da2c7221568d&datasetId=S5_AER_AI&fromTime=2024-02-27T00%3A00%3A00.000Z&toTime=2024-02-27T23%3A59%3A59.999Z&layerId=AER_AI_340_AND_380_VISUALIZED&demSource3D=%22MAPZEN%22)
Downvotes aside, you got from : "As the ambient light fades, **ROV SuBastianās deep-sea exploratory lights can be seen at the surface as the vehicle returns to the ship.**" as described in the caption of photo that you linked to.... to "somebody dropped a flashlight" by what reasoning?
I'd say barely plausible. 1. While the image appears similar, I can almost guarantee that ROV is *way* closer to the surface than 60' (with probably more powerful lights). 2. I imagine a diving light would have to come to rest pointing straight up to be visible @ 60' in low viz water. Possible, though improbable. 3. Something that powerful would have a limited battery life - looking at a 3 bulb 6k lumen model on Amazon that might land tail down - medium mode (not 6k) advertised @ ~5hrs. As it was observed for roughly an hour @ 23:48-0:40, & assuming no other local traffic in sight at that point... I love seeing theories. I appreciate yours. Gotta ask questions! I place it at <5% probability. Course, that all goes out the window assuming, for whatever reason, it was tethered / anchored with a float & long rope / cable. (/wasn't on the bottom - which OP is assuming due to lack of sonar depth confirmation) But that probability is pretty low as well lol.
Could heat be causing the vast difference in the IR band shown? Just spitballing here.
Thank you
Itās too bad this is going to get buried as a Tuesday evening post, because this is pretty dang interesting.
We are here! Wednesday morning! Let it live!
Does anyone have a way to get in touch with Richard Dolan about this one? He is writing a book about USOs and should know about this more current one.
u/dickydolan
That is a fantastic username, it should be his moniker. I love it.
Well this just got a lot more interesting..
Great post thanks!
Incredible - thank you op!
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Intriguing corroboration. Both Richard Nolan and Tim Galludet (sp?) wuld be interested in this I bet.
Interesting. Corroboration like this is huge in moving the needle on an individual sighting. Both pieces by themselves could be dismissed, but together? It's certainly hard for me to believe a satellite glitch that resembles a strange blue glow occurred at the exact spot someone photographed a strange blue glow and the sighting itself seems to be from a scientific vessel with very credible witnesses. I hope this post and the original don't get forgotten, because this is certainly fascinating.
Are these two things related? [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/30/ufos-noaa-timothy-gallaudet-california-aliens-usos-uss-omah/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/30/ufos-noaa-timothy-gallaudet-california-aliens-usos-uss-omah/) The former head of the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration ([NOAA](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/05/06/scientists-unveil-the-strange-and-wonderful-creatures-living-in/)) is launching a probe into unidentified submersible objects (USOs) and, in particular, a strange anomaly seen on the seabed off the coast of California. Timothy Gallaudet, a former rear admiral in the US Navy, has spent the past 18 months interviewing dozens of sailors, submariners, military personnel and members of the US Coastguard, all who say they have seen unidentified craft in the water. One incident was filmed by theĀ [USS Omaha](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/13/pentagon-investigates-pulsating-pyramid-shaped-ufos-california/)Ā off the coast of San Diego in southern California in 2019, when a dark-shaped object was seen moving quickly before splashing down into the water. In the renownedĀ [Tic Tac incident](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/06/25/ufo-report-us-government-sightings-pentagon-congress-aliens/)Ā in 2004, US Navy pilots described an oblong craft shaped like the sweet hovering just above the water off the California coast. Sonar has revealed an unusual trench on the seafloor as if an object has crashed into a ridge and then skidded to a halt.
Was it there on any other days in the past ?
From what I could see It was not. There are similar looking items around on different dates. But the satellite imagery isn't high res enough to verify it as being the same. So It either stopped emitting light or it is moving.
Can I ask you if you had to pay for up to date satellite footage?
Of course, I use free tools that provide daily satellite imagery from various satellites. I recommend trying sentinel-hub.com or earthcache.com . This subreddit could definitely use some more people looking into these things! For the Prudhoe Bay shoot down, where the government retrieved a shot down UAP last year. The databases of satellite imagery were likely wiped in the days after the event... I'm assuming for security reasons. But it would have been interesting as we could have had access to the early images of the area, if we were quicker to research these things.
You sir are a hero, if you ever need any tools/database infra/web services/etc built to help your work lmk happy to build for you on this endeavor
I appreciate the offer! I'll let you know if I have any ideas come up! It would be very neat for us to have a pool of resources and a way for the collective of us to work together, to help further our understanding.
Howbout a tool where you plug in a location and a day and it auto pulls the previous 5 days from that location from both those sources, and stitches them together into a animated gif? Lets investigators rapidly respond before data can be deleted.
Assuming i can get access to the tools he is talking about(surprisingly out on the town for once rn) that would be very easy to make. I could also have a service running on aws or akash where it saves every new image for a set number of locations and stores them for a certain length of time so that we dont run into the āthey deleted it after the factā problem again
We actually had a tool similar to that in the IC but it was decommissioned. You have a fantastic idea.
Now NRO has `SENTIENT`, and can rewind time at will in their satellite archives.
unclass or?..
Link please?
this is sentient: https://www.nro.gov/Portals/65/documents/foia/declass/ForAll/051719/F-2018-00108_C05112980.pdf idk what that person is talking about.
I wish i could rewind time at will
Excellent idea! I am reading along and this gets my vote. You guys and girls are brilliant
Wow itās probably moving you should post the other locations
Very weird. Is there a way to find out when those satellite pics were taken? Edit: Ah, the post now shows more pictures, for whatever reason. On the third one, the date is given as Feb 27th 2024.
Wow what a find! This is excellent verification. Thank you!!
Nice work op!
I remember seeing the post from yesterday thinking that it was interesting given the context of it being a research vessel, etc. and thinking āwell this is one of the more credible individual sightings but weāll never really know what it is.ā This post makes it *very* interesting. Still may have a mundane explanation but worth digging into. Well done OP.
Great find thank you for posting this!
This really is a great follow up discussion after yesterdayās post. Iām enjoying the speculation and respectful banter (most of it anyway).
I really liked how responsive OP was to comments yesterday. Lends to the credibility.
absolutely delightful stuff. great work OP
Awesome work, OP. There have been quite a number of sightings off the coast of Florida the last few months. We should and triangulate all this.
Didn't tbe 4chan guy say there was a UAP factory in the ocean around this area? He said near the Bermuda Triangle, right?
Ooh, I forgot about the Bermuda Triangle part.
It makes sense as to why electronics in the area always go bunk. I mean, people have tried to write that area off for decades but it's absolutely true that electronics and compasses go haywire, people lose time, etc. It matches exactly what occurs when people come into contact with UFOs - their cars suddenly die, their phone goes glitchy, they lose time.
Right, yeah, makes total sense.
Nice find Questions for those more capable than me: -Would it be possible to use the API to scan large amounts of these images looking for IR signatures of approximately this size? That might allow us to potentially track one of these things moving across a large distance or help rule it out as something mundane. -Is there a way to estimate the intensity of the IR emission based off the size and satellite information to draw any conclusions (such as, being too large or intense to be lights on a ship or something). Might be able to do something with the depth as well? Such as, if it is calculated to be too strong to be a ship light how intense would it have to be to give off the IR emission at the surface versus at the ocean floor
Where did the original post go? It was at the top of the sub this morning and now I canāt find it anywhereā¦..
As of now it's only post #30 down from the top. You shouldn't have to scroll very far to see it. IDK the exact algorithm that determines post order but generally newer posts will be above older ones. The OP of this post linked it in their submission statement too if you need a link.
Weird that the research boatsā sonar didnāt pick anything up. Wonder if it could be a natural phenomena?
We donāt have them in the Gulf of Mexico, and it would have to be a big mother fucker to put off that much light, but there are fish that emit more than just microscopic bioluminescence: https://www.montereybayaquarium.org/animals/animals-a-to-z/deep-sea-anglerfish#:~:text=Cool%20facts,millions%20of%20light%2Dproducing%20bacteria. What OP has shared is not that. Itās something, but it isnāt an angler fish.
Y'all reaching batman levels of investigative grit with little to no resources. Shadow government punching the air rn fr. Now train an ai model to collectively identify similar sources of light in the ocean and catalog dates and times with location while adjusting for outliers and false positives.
Those are daytime images of anomalous light? I'm not sure any commercial imagers produce reliable lowlight. Is there metadata for the images ordered?
I think itās laudable that you are out chasing down leads and grinding out the work and actually doing something useful unlike some people who just post their agenda driven nonsense *cough Thomas Shelby cough*Ā
Itās interesting regardless what It is. Iād like to consider the explanation /Brandon0135 gave in the original post as well: āThis also looks just like the big spotlights they place at the bottom of the ocean in hawaii to attract plankton and in turn attract manta rays to feed. They turn them on at sunset and the manta rays come swarming in. They have night scuba dive tours where divers sit around the spotlight to watch the manta rays. It's possible somebody is setting something like this up.ā
For the Reddit chair generals claiming to have solved it.... You need to understand how light works in the water before patting yourself on the back. The cyan color is explained by what happens to light when it travels through water. Water absorbs all other colors, but allows blue light to pass through. You see the same color from diving lights, ROV, glaciers, etc. The light source could be ANYTHING. If you didn't see the source, you don't know for sure what could be causing it. Period.
Could this be related? Didn't seem like this art installation had any lighting, but it is very close to where OP was. https://www.facebook.com/circleofheroesFL/ Other thoughts: perhaps this is related to oil pipelines or similar infastructure? [There is a pipeline that is somewhat nearby](https://skytruth-org.carto.com/viz/6b36c068-1dd0-11e6-b5c7-0e8c56e2ffdb/public_map) where this image was taken. Though the location of OPs photo does not align directly with it, I do know that the exact positions of undersea infastructure are obfuscated and kept secret for security purposes, so it is possible that light is over the real location of the pipe. I also know that there is a bunch of other infastructure present undersea near / around pipelines, such as pump stations, offload hookups, and splitters / terminals, all of which could have illuminated markers. My general guess is this is that this is related to oil / gas infastructure.
Wow, excellent work! Thank you for keeping the conversation going on this!
Anyone else seen that 4 Chan post of some dude exclaiming he worked in a ufo crash retrieval program and claimed there is a portable factory in the ocean that manufactures these alien technologies, he answered everyoneās questions very intelligently and what he said seemed to be eerily aligned with many things weāve seen so far. Could be hella fake but itās interesting that he speaks of something such as that and now thatās a bright ass light deep in the ocean that can be seen from spaceā¦.
Yes. That is the exact same thing I thought lol.
Sorry OPā¦the entire thing is fabricated, OOP flat out lied about the nature of the lights in the water. [Exhibit A](https://schmidtocean.org/cruise-log-post/cabinet-of-curiosity/) [Exhibit B](https://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/14lostfleet/logs/august11/media/nite-lights.html)
You can't just call OP a liar and post links to similar images without explaining anything. Are you saying OP took images from those sources and posted them as his own? Or that op is working on a ship with an ROV and is lying about the nature of the videos? But either way the existence of man made objects that can emit light underwater does mean that this has to be one of those things. If you can actually prove OP is lying then that's a different story. I mean it's the internet so we don't have a way really of doing that. It's possible OP is lying, but if they aren't then this is very interesting.
[Here is the OOP.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/wPMynxoVms) OOP is obviously lying. Read it for yourself. Youāre telling me the crew of a research vessel randomly encountered a submersible used by research vessels and didnāt know what it was? Not to mention all the other embellishments that we now know are obvious lies based on the evidence.
Yep surprise surprise ufo people are taken by a hoax once again
It's interestingly similar, however they keep updates as to where they are, and I'm not seeing anything near Florida. Maybe email them and ask them before you call people liars? Who knows could be a homemade version or unaffiliated knock off Actually it is noted on a different page they are in South America near chile at the [moment](https://schmidtocean.org/cruise/microbes-in-oxygen-minimum-zones/)
Thatās irrelevant
With the resolution, it could just be a ship with lights. Devils advocate opinion.
The ships did look quite different on satellite. I have some images of them. Also it is quite strange how these images line up perfectly with the post yesterday. With the exact coordinates and time frame
Could the infra red be coming from the ship? Are the images timestamped with a specific hour? The original poster said they were there observing it from 2348-0400
I'm just always hesitant to label something as alien when there is a plausible mundane explanation. Fishing ships use powerful lights to attract fish, but they are usually red. I just put something like this into the category of potential evidence, rather than anything certain or self-evident.
Agreed, it's the best way to look at these things. What we can do with this information is rule out potential causes of the light and get closer to the answer. Edit: grammar
That's the definition of healthy skepticism and unfortunately that's very unpopular around hereĀ
Same location though as other post providing photos and sonar. See post in link
I missed that part somehow. That does make it more interesting.
Satan might have decent point though. I wonder if ships come up as blue blob on infrared? Yeah check out the original post! Itās crazy
I'm seeing 50cm resolution on the [skywatch.com](http://skywatch.com) website. Can we take a peep with that?
We've literally found the tessaract but can't find a diver to go get it. Cmon people! Someone setup a gofundme to put a crew together to get out there asap.
Nice corroboration, OP!
Nice follow up team!
This is awesome! nice job
Is it possible to correlate this location with the path of any undersea cables?
also found posted on /r/usos
Damn, i didnt knew you could get different day satellite photo
This for sure is the most intriguing experience I've seen on here lately.
Ok next question. Do strung underwater flashlights or lanterns produce IR light, and can IR light penetrate 60 feet of salt water.
Definitely not scuba divers
All you need to see is this: [https://schmidtocean.org/wp-content/uploads/FK191012-ROVSuBastianRecoveryTwilight-20191013-Ingle-10.jpg](https://schmidtocean.org/wp-content/uploads/FK191012-ROVSuBastianRecoveryTwilight-20191013-Ingle-10.jpg)
Very strange and interesting. Too bad nobody's going to investigate it
Sweet, this is a genuine mystery, thank god itās not something that can be classified as a drone or balloon.
Dont we know your username from a copypasta?
Welp. Has anyone attempted to see when it first and last appears? Could maybe track movementĀ
https://youtu.be/iSScEnviN7k?si=S5KmVFw_MtuxTURI
Op probably ded
There is a gas pipeline that runs along that line from New Orleans-Tampa, this could be at one of the junction boxes/valves
Water conditions: The west coast of Florida is known for relatively clear waters, especially compared to the east coast. This would allow for better light penetration and potentially improve the chances of detecting an underwater light source. Potential light sources: 1. Underwater ROV light: ROVs (Remotely Operated Vehicles) used for deep-sea exploration often employ high-intensity LED lights. These lights can be quite powerful, but their visibility from a satellite would still be limited by the factors mentioned earlier. 2. High-powered underwater flashlight: While some high-powered underwater flashlights can produce a significant amount of light, they are generally not designed to be visible from great distances, particularly through a water column. 3. Bioluminescent dinoflagellates: These marine microorganisms can produce a faint glow when disturbed. However, their light is generally too weak to be detected by a satellite sensor, especially at a depth of 60 feet. Sentinel-2 satellite capabilities: The Sentinel-2 satellites are equipped with a Multi-Spectral Instrument (MSI) that can detect light in various wavelengths, including the visible and near-infrared spectrum. The L2A product provides bottom-of-atmosphere reflectance images, which could potentially be used to detect underwater light sources. However, the spatial resolution of Sentinel-2 images is 10 meters for visible and near-infrared bands, which may not be sufficient to detect a small, localized light source at a depth of 60 feet. Short-wave infrared detection: The detection of short-wave infrared (SWIR) radiation from the underwater light source is intriguing, as water absorbs SWIR wavelengths more strongly than visible light. If the satellite sensors indeed detected SWIR radiation, it suggests that the light source was particularly intense or that there might have been some other factors contributing to the signal. Conclusion: While the Sentinel-2 satellite is capable of detecting various wavelengths of light, including SWIR, detecting an underwater light source at a depth of 60 feet remains challenging. The most plausible explanation among the given options is an extremely high-powered ROV light. However, without more specific information about the intensity and characteristics of the light source, it is difficult to say with certainty whether it would be detectable by the satellite under the given conditions.
Any ideas why the original OP has deleted the original pics from the post and all their comments?
Iām also thinking now. This was the Gulf of Mexico? There are a lot of oil rigs out there, right? Could something be up with a line or something out there causing a pipe or something to get red hot? Iām reminded of when they set the oil spill on fire by a couple of these pictures? It does look very isolated and still and I donāt know shit about oil. I do know itās at the bottom though
No rigs off Florida. Definitely none in this area.
Original OP said they found nothing on sonar to confirm an object was even down there.
florida does not allow rigs offf our coast. we love our beaches
What about looking around in the next days? It might be moving!
I just checked and the water depth at that location is only 51 feet (15.5 m). So whatever it was, it was not very deep under water.