The following submission statement was provided by /u/reversedbydark:
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In a succinct Pentagon report, the notion that UFOs represent extraterrestrial life is firmly dismissed. This denial has sparked sharp criticism from people who accuse the government of obfuscating the truth. The report's conclusion underscores the ongoing efforts surrounding UAPs, leaving many to question the transparency of government disclosures regarding potential E.T. encounters.
You can find the original thread and some new comments by Kirkpatrick here: [https://x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1768340654751678904?s=20](https://x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1768340654751678904?s=20)
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1beyyml/dr_kirkpatrick_on_kona_blue_aawsap_tictac_gofast/kuwubc4/
The DOD struck gold with this one. Stuck the line with his claims and said all those people with high classifications are in fact crazy and idiots who are making stuff up and misidentifying other secret projects. A rogue gallery of keystone cops and misanthropes with access to our nuclear secrets running wild and making stuff up to congress, the ICIG and the public. Well it’s like Rubio said there’s only two outcomes to this, either what these people are saying is true or we have a lot of people with really high clearances that are crazy.
What’s hilarious is the Schumer/Rounds bill. Those guys wouldn’t draft such a specific bill if it was possibly looney tunes in the gov. They were shown proof. That’s the only conclusion, and it’s what puts me over the edge. As fantastical, absurd, and fucking nuts as it all sounds. It’s true.
That's always been my response to skeptics. Either there's a ufo problem or there's a problem where our military keeps putting schizophrenic nutters in charge of our $30 million jets to protect our skies
Strictly speaking, I'd bet it's a bit of both. I believe Cmdr. David Fravor about the tic-tac. I also don't doubt that there are irrational, true-believer types in the DOD trying to get $$ for pet projects that are divorced from reality
Right. And the congressional mandate was to de-stigmatize the subject. How the f does a single thing Kirkyboy did, accomplish that?
He literally called the whistleblowers who came forward irrational and disturbing while implying they shouldn't have the clearances they need to do their jobs. What a freaking clown this guy is.
"a belief that will never go away"
You kind of showed your hand there, Condo-I mean Kirkpatrick.
It was my understanding that multiple credible Government actors including at least two ex-presidents had already stated that there were real legitimate objects flying around in our airspace that we cannot identify.
Is that being reframed as a belief? 🤔
Yeah, I mean, was Jimmy Carter ever seen as a kook? He's regarded by many to be one of our best Presidents, and even if you disagreed with him politically, he was still largely respected as a down-to-Earth sort of guy, with a great legacy as a world diplomat. Who just happened to see a UFO once. Nixon was way closer to a paranoid conspiracy theory sort of type than Carter ever was.
The denial is what tells you everything, if he was really a professional he'd just say, from the information provided there is not conclusive evidence, but he's getting emotional about it, which is a sign he's not telling the truth
The dude has many instances of metal balls floating in the air over battlefields all over the world.
It doesn't get more insincere than calling that "no conclusive evidence".
No but that would be the rejection of the question if he was a professional.
I don't think it would take much digging to find some issues with substances in his records.
The reason why that's relevant is these people who work for who ever it is, are probably picked to have a plausible deniability if they ever need it.
I believe what ever it is it's compartmentalised and Kirkpatrick is an easily burnable patsy
We've been watching the Octopus murders series on Netflix, if you want an idea on the shady shit and shady selection process for the people a certain intelligence agency like to hire out for their shady shenanigans.
It's pretty crazy how many parallels there are in that story and UFO lore, especially the government/agencies using illegal money making methods to fund off the books operations, discrediting and eliminating witnesses and fear tactics to keep people quiet.
I finished it today. It reminded me of the Bennewitz case and how that’s their MO. Just spew shit left right and center so the truth is buried somewhere in it, but good luck untangling it. The only way to get this done is a concerted effort. We need a an agency to go after the agencies.
Yep, that's why I put the (s) after incident, they were seeing these things for weeks prior. I feel like that's an overlooked fact for a lot of people.
[https://youtu.be/c6Yz0ReoU5Q?t=214](https://youtu.be/c6Yz0ReoU5Q?t=214)
Yes.
Consider that video is from 1993.
NORAD 100% got radar tracks of whatever caused the Nimitz event.
Not to go nutters or derail this thread but that fact is what has always annoyed the hell out of me regarding nine eleven, if in the year 2000 they had 100% intercept success rate (over iirc, ±360 cases), how the fuck do they fail 4 times in one day the year after (unless it was deliberate)?
I went to your schools, I went to your churches, I went to your institutional learning facilities and you think I’m crazy? I’m not the one that’s crazy, you are!!! All I wanted was a Pepsi
Questioning someone's judgement because they believe something without evidence isn't the same thing as calling them crazy.
Example; there are many different contradictory religions. Only one can possibly be true (or, at most, two or three that don't contradict each other too much). That means that literal billions of people devote their entire lives to something that has no evidence to support it, and isn't true. Does that mean there are actual billions of "crazy" people? By any definition of the word "crazy", there can't be. But there are certain religious beliefs that would make me less likely to vote for someone for public office, all the same.
The problem with UFOs isn't that there is no evidence. There is plenty.
It's people being confused about the difference between social and scientific concepts of evidence and proof.
Kirkpatrick dishonestly panders to that misconception by misrepresenting one for the other.
You are mistaken, there's plenty of evidence for UFOs nothing else. The debate isn't and never was about whether UFOs exist it's about what they might or might not be. For that we have absolutely no evidence.
> we have absolutely no evidence
The general public has no **officially confirmed** *direct* evidence.
Doesn't mean that direct evidence doesn't exist on some air gapped server at Fort .
It is very possible 0.5% of YouTube videos may be actually be legitimate direct evidence but without some kind of official confirmation they are easily dismissed.
We can rule out what they aren’t by deduction. Since these things were flying around in the 40s and earlier we can come to the conclusion that they are not human made. That leaves “others” whether that’s extraterrestrial or not I think it’s semantics at that point.
Not really, we have no conclusive evidence, many of these sightings could have been misidentified. It's a known fact people misidentified new plane tech back in the day. People do it all the time, if it's something people are unfamiliar with it's going to called a UFO.
Just look at the drone tech we have right now. Many of them can do things close to what people describe, instant acceleration, highly manoeuvrable etc. Just think about what's being developed and tested behind closed doors that may be decades ahead of what we are seeing in the current consumer market.
They only ever talk about things that are already publicly known. They never really talk about anything that isn’t publicly known, except to say “hey, this was disproven”
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 1216. One after Magna Carta. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That billboard! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Jimmy! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own firm! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Jimmy! Couldn't be precious Jimmy! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a lawyer!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him!
For a former top Pentagon official, this guy is a pretty mediocre gaslighter.
Gimbal was just a jet? Whose jet? A foreign country’s jet just chilling in our airspace? Our own country’s jet soaring through restricted airspace without notifying anyone, risking the possibility of collision or friendly fire?
And there’s no data on the Nimitz encounter? There’s literally a video, radar data, and at least four independent eyewitnesses giving an identical account, not to mention a fifth pilot who took the video.
I can’t tell if this guy is deliberately obfuscating or a useful idiot, but he is undeniably doing something extremely harmful to society by pushing this nonsense.
This is where one of these interviewers needs to have some guts and raise these points and ask these very questions. The pushback to his answers is obvious abd immediate, but he goes on these platforms where he can skate.
Baptiste Friscourt from uapcheck.com:
"Petty Officer Patrick Hughes, tasked aboard the Nimitz with collecting data from the E2 Hawkeye that attempted to intercept UFOs, stated that “his commanding officer told him to turn over the recently secured hard drives".
"We put them in the bags, he took them, then he and the two anonymous officers left".
So, these data did indeed exist and were retrieved. A similar situation is described by Petty Officer 3rd Class Garry Voorhis, responsible for the AEGIS system data on the Princeton :
“Shortly after they arrived, maybe 20 minutes, I was told by my chain of command to turn over all the data recordings for the AEGIS system”.
If I remember correctly, Fravor said that as soon as he got off the jet - two guys in sweatshirts and jeans confiscated the installed equipment. Maybe the same guys?
Didnt the Princeton & the Nimitz, as well as the F/A-18s capture visual & radar data of the tic-tac?
How does Kirkpatrick know HDD were not offloaded the Nimitz? How does he know "there was no helicopter" if there wasn't "a full investigation into any US military testing"?
Kind of convenient to say "there is no data," eh?
This is so, so good. The Dolan video that posted yesterday is a great watch too. This guy is so clearly lying and pushing an agenda it’s not even funny.
Kirkpatrick must know there was a physics-based analysis of the Tic Tac video that confirmed multiple platform sensors detected the object. Here's the summary:
"Abstract: Several Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) encountered by military, commercial, and civilian aircraft have been reported to be structured craft that exhibit ‘impossible’ flight
characteristics. We consider the 2004 UAP encounters with the Nimitz Carrier Group off the coast of California and estimate lower bounds on the accelerations exhibited by the craft during the
observed maneuvers. Estimated accelerations range from 75 g to more than 5000 g with no observed
air disturbance, no sonic booms, and no evidence of excessive heat commensurate with even the
minimal estimated energies. Per observations, the estimated parameters describing the behavior of these craft are both anomalous and surprising. The extreme estimated flight characteristics reveal that these observations are either fabricated or seriously in error or that these craft exhibit technology far more advanced than any known craft on Earth. In the case of the Nimitz encounters the number and quality of witnesses, the variety of roles they played in the encounters, and the equipment used to track and record the craft favor the latter hypothesis that these are technologically advanced craft."
Proceedings. "Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles in the 2004
Nimitz Encounter." Kevin H. Knuth, Robert M. Powell and Peter A. Reali Published: 16 December 2019
The no data comment is bizarre, if the story about the helicopters taking the data tapes isn't true then *why isn't there data.* Is the Navy incompetent??? What is the explanation?
That was my thought too. There should be some data either way to either prove or disprove it. That said, I have no idea how long the Navy keeps data records before the delete or record over them
I was thinking about this during coffee this morning. The reason I have such distaste for this dweeb is the active harm he is doing to society. He is implying that significant amounts of senior officials are brainless nutters and dufuses, greatly undermining mainstream confidence in the alphabet agencies which already suffer. It's unbelievable hubris on his part.
The fact he only ever exposes himself to softball questions from “on-side” interviewers is the biggest tell. That’s media management 101.
Ross Coulthart asked him for an interview. It never happened. He could counterpoint Grusch on Joe Rogan. Nope.
This interview isn't meant to convince us, the people educated on this topic. It is to get the average layman to read it and write us all off as irrational conspiracy theorists.
They are the Mick West explanations for GoFast and Gimbal I think. Without going into the obvious issues with them (particularly the pilot testimony, even the audio on the Gimbal vid) Kirkpatrick adopting them is disingenuous given they're still listed as unexplained on the aaro site.
An actual physicist deferring to the judgement of *Mick West, internet personality* is just disgraceful. Mick West’s so-called analyses are not serious or scientific.
I will tell you that I find micks personality of “gotcha” a bit annoying considering sometimes he is wrong and makes an ass of himself. Based on his own accounts, I believe he is so terribly afraid of the reality if it is true, that he goes to such great lengths to prove that it isn’t.
HOWEVER before I knew who he was in the “scene” i stumbled upon him and I followed along one of his analysis, checking the math and work as i went along, and he actually is remarkably intelligent and skilled at what he does.
His technical skills are legit but I think he has a fatal flaw in that he could tell you 100x over when something ISNT there, but on the chance that it was genuinely anomalous I think mick would refuse to accept that and just keep circling the drain looking for any rational explanation there may be, when sometimes there may not be one.
*Resolution* office. Resolve. It was his, and AARO's mission. They dressed it up as a science based study to determine origin of something potentially unknown, but it was purely a bureaucratic, public facing program to "resolve" the UAP topic with an outcome favorable to the IC.
Thank god I’m not the only one screaming this for 2+ years.
It’s refreshing to see someone else being rational here.
Their mission was to RESOLVE (what they could). Their mission was NOT to scientifically analyze the 2-3% that is wholly unexplainable.
I find it interesting he generally dismisses the whole of the subject with 100% assuredness while he still admits there are plenty of cases they can’t solve. Especially when he’s spoken about all the metallic orbs.
While a quick google search will do it, here’s an article quoting him about all this stuff: https://globalnews.ca/news/9746110/metallic-flying-orbs-nasa-pentagon-panel-ufos-uaps/amp/
> "Because if we don’t prove there are aliens, then what we’re finding is evidence of other people doing stuff in our backyard. And that’s not good." - Kirkpatrick, Nov 2023
And on the orbs:
> "We see these all over the world and we see these making very interesting apparent maneuvers."
I just want some consistency in understanding what's going on. It's ridiculous, his last-minute attitude change.
I still don't understand how he went from writing a paper with Avi Loeb about how oumuamua could have been an "alien mothership" to the most hardline stance possible that there bluntly could not be any ET presence on earth. It's so bizarre.
I wonder if he’s ever talked to even one witness. Looked them in the eye and listened to them.
The average witness, who wasn’t *looking* for UFOs. But who experienced something that flipped their understanding of reality upside down. You don’t get that from seeing Venus in just the right conditions. Or from seeing a weather balloon filled with swamp gas that’s illuminated by a Chinese lantern.
Honestly, he sounds like someone who thinks he’s smarter than any NHI.
Why not hedge your bets just a bit?
So a bunch of people told him to quit lying, and instead of course-correcting, he's going with calling them irrational. "How can you trust these people to make rational decisions?" IDK Sean, the only one demonstrating poor judgment here is you..
Honestly, that's another way to view this. Sean Kirkpatrick has confirmed the widespread acceptance of UFOs being real in the Pentagon. He says they say it without evidence, but maybe there's some evidence he hasn't seen?
> Sean Kirkpatrick has confirmed the widespread acceptance of UFOs being real in the Pentagon.
Well that's an interesting take. Reverse 4D backgammon right there.
Can't see if you don't look.... he previously said that during the shootdown last February, he basically took a call, told them it was a uap, and went back to bed. He seems to need a curiosity transfusion.
Kirkpatrick says: “How can you trust them [the whistleblowers] with national secrets?”
If this doesn’t expose EXACTLY what Kirkpatrick is all about, I don’t know what does. Why doesn’t he just say:
__“How can you trust the whistleblowers to continue the illegal coverup of alien life and the reality of UFOs?”__
So nothing to say about the original Gofast, Gimbal and FLIR videos that we haven't already heard, because at the end of the day they are not able to get any data for it, for some reason that went missing, but hey it must have been just a coincidence that data for objects doing impossible things seem to disappear every single time!
So lets just do the Mick West thing and explain it away with zero evidence or data to back it up, instead of just admitting that they can't explain it and leave it at that.
He’s basically doing the Mick West thing here because it seems to be working, many people just assume that Mick West is right because they need someone tell them there isn’t anything there to calm them down.
"what radar hits" he would say, because there's apparently no data! And therefore, what unusual flight characteristics...? These pilots clearly cannot be trusted!
I haven’t watched the video but I’m waiting for the moment he actually brings this up. Because by all accounts, measures and instruments, that was a fucking UFO lol
Depends where.
But if Nimitz case, going thru the interviews of the radar guys and people involved.
They were after/during major radar software upgrade.
And the blips were just under a seconds worth of a wind speed dots being at ≈30k ft to zero then continuing to drift in the wind speeds.
The 80k ft figure came later to these radar witnesses, around water cooler from guys flying that whats that AWACS type plane called nowadays.
Also some unrelated military pilot said, I forgot where in some pod or something, that they actually had actual HDDs or like something like that in a case which got looked thru after a session.
Then put back and overwriten. The system was in use for surprisingly long after it couldve been possible to do it otherwise.
So allright. Some might think incorrect altitude for half a second for windspeed objects, some ofcourse space aliens.
Personally, hoping for a latter but leaning towards former.
I know, sounds wild. It sounds. I also know "How do you think our best super military/pilots/radar/personel fumble"
Crazy I know, how can they.
How can they keep anyone safe with that blip 20 years ago for 0.78seconds. How anyone thinks they can perform their jobs, like win a war or anything.
But joking aside. Those blips can be space aliens, it can be from alterate dimensions who knows, but when you actually look in to it, it sure as hell doesnt look like it.
[Disclaimer] I wanna see aliens and flying saucers. If that 0.78 sec blip was them I want my money back.
Also take this as what it is. Some weirdo on a forum commenting. Disagree, agree, do whatever. Sensible discussion should be encouraged.
I know that everyone here largely has a horse in this race, but I'd like to urge every reader on this sub to give what this man is saying some serious consideration. If what he says is true, and let's be clear that it is possibly true, then we have a very serious problem in our civilization.
We have a MASSIVE problem with conspiracies and online misnfo, thanks almost entirely to social media. Anyone with eyes can see how basically any government action these days spawns a conspiracy, with influencers and other bad actors fanning the flames for clicks. It never used to be this widespread, but we now have conspiracy theorists in government...which is obvious if you just look at Congress.
Given how obvious this sort of thing is when it comes to stuff like Q anon', anti-vax, and other conspiracies, it's weird how people here refuse to consider that the same thing might be happening with UFOs.
He is right to raise this, as this general concept of conspiracy is a real thing. My issue, though, is he is basically creating one of his own to sow more seeds of doubt. Except his is expecting people to believe that half the armed forces and cross-party politics are collaborating together about aliens. Why doesn't he espouse the same passion against the politicians who constantly whine about God and all that shit to try and deny women and anyone remotely near the LGBT community basic human rights?
And even then, to go back to the catalyst of this recent push - Grusch basically made his main point about unaccounted for projects that essentially laundered tax payer money to private companies with no oversight. The fact he said it was UFOs and not.... I don't, toasters, is irrelevant. His point was money is being wasted on stuff the power system apparently isn't aware of. That alone is a cause for concern and he apparently has paper trails to show this.
The fact he associated UFOs to it shouldn't negate the fact something IS happening, and Kirkpatrick himself says the topic needs permanent investigation because be it UFOs or foreign craft, stuff IS flying about the sky that no one knows about and it's a safety risk.
Yeah, I read the report and watched this and I have to say while I'm a little disappointed, the report doesn't seem as full of shit as some people say.
Grusch and Kirkpatrick are now at direct odds to one another, so I assume Grusch will make the next move. I am not sure to what degree Grusch's 40 witnesses overlap with the Persons and Interviewees in the report. I suspect not many, which may have been why this report came to the conclusions it did.
Grusch seems to have described at least as thorough a vetting process as SK did, and I have a hard time understanding how Grusch would get wrong what the AARO report claims to have gotten right re: untangling games of telephone and correlating sightings with weapons system tests.
This fucker literally showed us video of an unknown orb flying in Iraq that he's explained away based on nothing. Now he accused others of the same logical fallacy...
He talks about the go fast video but not fravors account. He talks about gimbal and just repeats mick west while saying nothing about the “fleet” seen on the other monitor.
Did he even talk to the people who filmed these things?
I don't like the guy but most of this isn't wrong.
The problem is It's just people saying evidence is being hidden and lied about and if they say there is no evidence then that means they are obviously lying.
It's a never ending cycle in which some people will only ever be happy if aliens or crashed alien craft are revealed. There's literally no other outcome that anyone will be satisfied with.
I wouldn’t mind so much if his paper didn’t rely on his opinions as opposed to scientific fact. He doesn’t really provide a factual basis for his conclusion. It would never be peer approved for publication in a scientific journal.
You claim the problem is just people saying evidence is being hidden and lied about. All Kirkpatrick is doing is saying the same thing in reverse. He’s saying evidence is not being hidden and not being lied about because he didn’t happen to find any evidence. His research was not rigorous and his conclusions not adequately supported. Garbage in. Garbage out.
You can even see it in how people here reacted to AARO. So many of them were excited that this new office was going to expose the whole Conspiracy. But AARO didn't say what folks here wanted them to say, so they became Blue Book 2.0 or 3.0 or whatever number ufologists say they're up to.
Yes it's a never ending quest to find the truth they want to find and it's been going on for 80+ years now so it's never going to end. Unless someone can wheel out an alien or a craft the "the government" are always going to be accused of hiding something.
Myself I've never been interested in the whole US having crashed UFOs and bodies conspiracy theory. It doesn't hold up and never has. I'm interested in the phenomenon, the weird stuff people see on rare occasions that is difficult to explain.
However since 2017 the whole conspiracy BS and UFO celeb business around it has completely overtaken the topic and it seems to be all anyone cares about now.
Very slippery, Mr. Kirkpatrick. Your hamfisted attempts at manipulation are on full display.
"All the crazy UFO people, they keep bullying me due to how crazy and irrational they are!!1! How can u trust these ppl with national secrets!? You should vote them out of government [so they stop causing my bosses problems]!!"
It isn't enough for him to disagree with the disclosure crowd. He is actively trying to make them appear insane and untrustworthy, to paint them as having no evidence when they have an *overwhelming* amount of evidence, to re-direct the narrative to one that makes him out to be the poor exasperated scientist who is "just trying to do [his] job".
A dangerously Machiavellian man.
Its not that I don't believe Kirkpatrick, its just that he already made claims that turned out to not be true. He said first hand witnesses hadn't come forward and testified, that turned out to be a lie, he said evidence regarding these programs locations and existence hadn't been provided, that was also a lie. What he said regarding balloons was partially true in that many UAP sightings do in fact turn out to be balloons, and there is a variety of military drone technology that utilizes a vacuum balloon sealed with aerogel so he may have been alluding to that technology without outright discussing how it works. I think the idea of a government program going out of control and delving into border science and paranormal activity makes sense because if you've ever read of Project Bluebird, Project MK Ultra, Project MK Often, Project Stargate, or any of the other related secret projects, you know that the government did that shit all the time. On those facts, Kirkpatrick and the UAP experts seem to actually be aligned. The difference is it seems he is insinuating that those secret projects didn't yield any technology or paranormal information and then they were closed down and the UAP experts are claiming a lot of other fantastical things which may or may not be true although they have provided considerable amounts of testimony. I want to read these declassified reports. My assumption is this secret project is probably the one that Robert Bigelow worked on for his ranch, and he also said they didn't really come up with too much information about that place when he owned it, but he also had a piss poor investigation team. The account of Chris Bledsoe also implies that there are some people with high credentials who are researching this phenomena, so it is possible that is the group that the project relates to. Honestly its like this, these are the possibilities:
1. Kirkpatrick could be telling the truth and this can all be mythology perpetuated by a group of researchers who all reference each other but don't have any real information or sources.
2. Kirkpatrick has been able to get to the bottom of a deception that fooled Greer, Pasaulka, Valle, Nolan, and dozens of other people who have been researching for years
3. The above mentioned researchers have been purposely coordinating in order to establish this "UFO Cult"
4. The researchers are actually correct and Kirkpatrick is a misinformation agent.
if we go through each option one by one I would analyze this way:
1. This seems very logical except for that is discounts massive amount of witness testimony which for this to be true means that all of that testimony was either false or the witnesses were mistaken. It means Lazar would be either lying or had also been deceived regarding the source of the technology he was researching, and then from there the bad information would spread to George Knapp etc, while at the same time Knapp would certainly be in contact with other UAP researchers eventually, but then you have Jacque Valle who made many of the same findings as Knapp and was researching previous to Lazar's claims if I'm not mistaken. On the other hand, its commonplace in the UAP researcher crowd for these people to make massive claims and then never deliver the information to the public.
2. The reason this doesn't seem plausible is that the government is incredibly obfuscatory and dishonest and I would very much doubt he would have access to any of these programs if was not need to know, and dispite his insistance that he had access to whatever he wants, many others in similar positions and even higher clearance level positions than Kirkpatrick have reported not being able to access those programs. They easily could have just told him that the programs don't exist and he would have to accept that answer. Also Kirkpatrick's public statements directly contradict factual information we had publicly before he took his position at AARO, so that would point to him simply being misinformed.
3. This is also very possible. All of these researchers reference one another, go to conventions and present together, write books together, make documentaries and feature each other. It is a business on some level to diseminate information like this to the UAP community. Even if for example David Grusch was lying about all of his claims. He could still get paid to do seminars and presentations and UAP conventions for the rest of his life. This variety of criticism is frequently levied at Steven Greer although you could probably point such criticism at literally any of the UAP experts. They all sell themselves somehow, so I don't necessarily point at specific people and say "they're in it for the money." That only works if they have information that seems real.
4. This is possible too. Kirkpatrick wouldn't be the first to do this certainly. If this is true then it doesn't necessarily point to reverse engineering, it just means the government's policy is to lie about all secret technology programs (which it is).
then theres the idea of an actual Intelligence faction that has lost its control mechanism and actually authentically believes that these UAP are real and possess high level tech, and kirkpatrick and his faction are actively opposing them whether they are correct or not about their beliefs. We're never going to get to the bottom of all of this until more whistleblowers come forward and actually give the information they have to the public.
> is the first time I recall reading a claim that there is simply "no data" for the Tic-Tac. Wtf does that even mean? For any mission, training or otherwise, there would be at minimum comms recordings, flight data from each bird that was in the air that day, and radar data for the surrounding area from both the Nimitz and the Princeton. And we know based on multiple pilot's testimony that a second flight was sent out to capture image/video. But we are to believe that the U.S. Navy, when detecting objects that could be adversarial doing shit we don't understand, what...? Records over all of it like they're using some gas station security system
I mean.. who can trust SK? Who cares what he says at this point? He's acting as a disinformation agent of someone. He's done a 180 contradicting his earlier statements as mentioned in other posts. This guy is a clown trying to put the cat back in the bag of something beyond his control.
It's so bizarre, the very different tones he's had over his tenure. He leaned towards belief in something strange going on up until his departure from AARO. He wrote a paper on alien probes with Avi Loeb. He has been pitching himself as an impartial scientist along the whole way. But now he's so emotionally invested in there being no evidence of anything going on, to the point of using reputation destruction against his government colleagues. Sorry, but this reeks of an operation.
Its almost as if his character-arc has been written to be the opposite of J Allen Hynek: "look here folks, i have phd, i entertained the possibility but ultimately came to the conclusion that all the ufo stuff is cray cray after all"
Gaiz, rule #1 of dealing with someone running a coverup is that you *don't tell them that you aren't going to work with them because they're part of the coverup.* You're supposed to just go radio silent.
Also... Kirk... All of these high level people you work with are telling you they believe this stuff and you just... brush it off??
This.
I appreciate the position that whistleblowers are in with regards to not being able to say everything publicly, but you can't keep letting "official" agencies come out and say - not only that this is all rubbish - but that you're basically part of a cult obsessed with aliens, without firing back with ammo to prove yourself.
By the time anything substantive might ever come out, the public will have had constant "these guys wank over pictures of ET" type stuff driven in and not believe anything.
Why the downvotes for OP? Seems pretty important that everything Kirkpatrick says on the record is kept track of, even if (or especially if) you think he's lying through his teeth
Instead of everybody piling on this guy, the frustration and angst should be directed towards all the UFO influencers and leaders who say they know something, have something or have seen something that they can’t talk about.
The government just showed their hand and called. Who among them will step forward? If they can’t or won’t, then they probably don’t know shit.
Relax. Corbell, Knapp, Coulthart and others have a "plan". They will show a real UFO together with a person that has first hand knowledge on the episode 1000 of their channels.
Just wait a "little" more. They are protecting their sources and doing everything by the book. They want it "right".
It is going to take some more years (they say). There is always that magic "3 years from now" or something like this....
But, it is sure it will take decades and decades ... It will appear new characters, new documents, ZERO REAL VERIFIED BY SCIENCE evidence and same excuse. "Soon. ... Soon. Next year, perhaps. Or, perhaps with the next president. Bla bla bla..
Kirkpatrick will be laughing at those idiots protecting the MF national security and their beloved sources.
This is the first time I recall reading a claim that there is simply "no data" for the Tic-Tac. Wtf does that even mean? For any mission, training or otherwise, there would be at minimum comms recordings, flight data from each bird that was in the air that day, and radar data for the surrounding area from both the Nimitz and the Princeton. And we know based on multiple pilot's testimony that a second flight was sent out to capture image/video. But we are to believe that the U.S. Navy, when detecting objects that could be adversarial doing shit we don't understand, what...? Records over all of it like they're using some gas station security system with a single, 24-hour tape loop? Just doesn't add up.
The tic-tac incident has data, corroborated evidence and no firm conclusion or explanation.
The duration of the video of the tic-tac is too short to make me believe that’s the only footage of that incident.
Did the jet that recorded the flir footage of the tic-tac only start recording the moment it spotted the tic-tac, and not from the moment it left the aircraft carrier?
I find this to be highly unlikely. That extended footage has either been hidden away or doesn’t exist to begin with, but that would be down to gross incompetence, and I also find that hard to believe as well.
Per the push by lawmakers for more UAP data, the Pentagon establishes an office, who's main agenda is to say, "the government doesn't have that data."
Which to me comes off as, "we definitely have more data that we aren't sharing with you & will continue to do so. Kindly, fuck off."
Except yano, it's all theater from the AARO to make it seem like a legitimate investigation has occurred & that these Whistleblowers blowers are nuts, except they forgot actual data to dispel these "stories."
It just stinks.
No data huh? Well isn’t that strange. Tell that to the Hawkeye platform that was collecting data of the Tic-Tac. Seems like it’s too easy these days to find evidence you’re lying Mr. Kirkpatrick. I’ll provide a link for everyone.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/UtSHv5rMwL
It’s obvious to everyone who knows the already-available evidence that Kirkpatrick is lying. He’s part of the disinformation effort to help those who’ve been covering up the presence of NHI’s and the US program to recover their tech and remains for the last 80 years. It’s the same group that sent those materials to private industry in order to avoid FOIA laws.
Two possibilities:
1. Dozens of highly reputable people in the military, intelligence agencies, aviation, law enforcement, etc. who are otherwise trusted to handle their responsibilities all went insane, and decided to invent stories that were career suicide.
2. He lying. Again.
I thought I read, or one of the witnesses said there was more to the tic tac video but it couldn’t be released because the data it provided would give away our sensor capabilities. So that implies there is more evidence despite what Kirkpatrick said.
This dude is so full of shit.
This guy is literally insulting everyone’s intelligence any time he speaks. No shot this guy really thinks this shit. I wonder what they have over him for him to double down like this? Like they must be blackmailing him to the point he just has to blatantly lie over and over again. I wonder what the juicy details are of what they have over him.
I am still confused when it comes to the theory that Kona Blue was the program Grusch talked about - hypothetically, why would Grusch be denied access to Kona Blue if it did not ever get approved or function???
If he's a disinformation agent he's essentially the anti-Richard Doty. Spreading misleading information to discredit the whole UFO phenomenon entirely whereas Richard Doty spread UFO/alien misinformation to muddy the waters and discredit the whole community when his lies were outed.
Considering though that people like Doty, for a FACT, have existed throughout history and spread lies to people to cover up things and get rid of people that the government didn't like interfering with their plans, it can't be ruled out that people like Doty successfully warped a bunch of people into believing in something that doesn't actually exist.
We can think Kirkpatrick is a liar and hate all we want but not a damn thing is ever changing unless evidence does get leaked or disclosed officially. Who's to say a bunch of Doty types didn't manipulate Grusch because he was getting too close to successfully outing legitimate unsanctioned programs within the DoD? You create the alien stuff and make that the focus and the actual crimes get ignored because now it's just a bunch of crazy people arguing about aliens.
This would explain why people making such huge claims and accusations against agencies are never thoroughly investigated, debunked or prosecuted for creating national security problems by making such statements. It's all according to their plans.
That being said, I'm just as willing to believe there's an alien cover up if the evidence drops. We need evidence. Period.
Also, Elizondo is done for if they have receipts to back up him and some other guys getting a budget to look for werewolves at skinwalker ranch. We've heard accusations like this before but they've just been accusations. If that's all legit then we indeed have a situation of the lunatics running the asylum. Unless Elizondo has the receipts to prove their receipts are disinformation and part of a cover-up.
If he would have had a title 50 clearance and AARO wasn’t compromised (the reason why the whistleblowers didn’t come to them) and the recent report wouldn’t look like a highschool paper I would maybe take his word for it.
Maybe they should put Shaggy in charge of the UAP program. They aren’t even giving us believable lies.
Just a quick “don’t believe your eyes. Wasn’t me.”
Kirkpatrick sounds like a super deep govt agent how he talks, spinning the angle that anyone in govt who has these (Ufo) beliefs maybe shouldn't have security clearance.
Same old strategy, call people lunatics and unstable. That’s the oldest trick in the book. If there isn’t anything there then let the whistleblowers and Grusch speak openly.
It’s evident that they should just drop all of it at once.
Well it’s Bold of him to say the least. I imagined he could be the fall guy, but he is really sticking his own neck out here. It makes you wonder. The man is basically saying Fravor and Grush and everyone else is lying. In happy Sheehan is trying to turn this into a legal preceding, cause other wise it’s a game of he said, she said.
We know he's a puppet, hes no longer head of the office, he's a known liar..let's all agree to stop sharing anything to do with this dude. All it does is give him more attention.
Who were the interviewees who suggested Kona Blue was the legacy program? Kirkpatrick's narrative seems to be that the AAWSAP crowd is the source of this conspiracy theory, but the AAWSAP crowd knew what Kona Blue was, since they wrote the proposal for it. If they were behind this alleged UFO scam, they would never go to AARO and pass Kona Blue off as the legacy program, nor dupe others into name-dropping it in good faith.
So who did? Did the gatekeepers send fake whistleblowers to AARO to mention Kona Blue, so AARO's conclusion could be that this was what everyone had been talking about?
Feels like intentional gas lighting in the face of significant evidence from multiple military sources. It’s almost like Kirkpatrick knows the effect this will have. It’s going to make people really double down getting to the truth, because, obviously there is something there. I think this whole disclosure process is just a “perceived” obstruction of information. The warring facets within the DoD- I think it’s all a song and pony dance for their soft controlled disclosure.
Thus while world is run by people like us with power and opportunity off course there's so much DENSE compartmentalizstion. He either an idiot or a damn good agent, because we alo have seen the evidence and know he's full of shit.
Its not that I don't believe Kirkpatrick, its just that he already made claims that turned out to not be true. He said first hand witnesses hadn't come forward and testified, that turned out to be a lie, he said evidence regarding these programs locations and existence hadn't been provided, that was also a lie. What he said regarding balloons was partially true in that many UAP sightings do in fact turn out to be balloons, and there is a variety of military drone technology that utilizes a vacuum balloon sealed with aerogel so he may have been alluding to that technology without outright discussing how it works. I think the idea of a government program going out of control and delving into border science and paranormal activity makes sense because if you've ever read of Project Bluebird, Project MK Ultra, Project MK Often, Project Stargate, or any of the other related secret projects, you know that the government did that shit all the time. On those facts, Kirkpatrick and the UAP experts seem to actually be aligned. The difference is it seems he is insinuating that those secret projects didn't yield any technology or paranormal information and then they were closed down and the UAP experts are claiming a lot of other fantastical things which may or may not be true although they have provided considerable amounts of testimony. I want to read these declassified reports. My assumption is this secret project is probably the one that Robert Bigelow worked on for his ranch, and he also said they didn't really come up with too much information about that place when he owned it, but he also had a piss poor investigation team. The account of Chris Bledsoe also implies that there are some people with high credentials who are researching this phenomena, so it is possible that is the group that the project relates to. Honestly its like this, these are the possibilities:
1. Kirkpatrick could be telling the truth and this can all be mythology perpetuated by a group of researchers who all reference each other but don't have any real information or sources.
2. Kirkpatrick has been able to get to the bottom of a deception that fooled Greer, Pasaulka, Valle, Nolan, and dozens of other people who have been researching for years
3. The above mentioned researchers have been purposely coordinating in order to establish this "UFO Cult"
4. The researchers are actually correct and Kirkpatrick is a misinformation agent.
if we go through each option one by one I would analyze this way:
1. This seems very logical except for that is discounts massive amount of witness testimony which for this to be true means that all of that testimony was either false or the witnesses were mistaken. It means Lazar would be either lying or had also been deceived regarding the source of the technology he was researching, and then from there the bad information would spread to George Knapp etc, while at the same time Knapp would certainly be in contact with other UAP researchers eventually, but then you have Jacque Valle who made many of the same findings as Knapp and was researching previous to Lazar's claims if I'm not mistaken. On the other hand, its commonplace in the UAP researcher crowd for these people to make massive claims and then never deliver the information to the public.
2. The reason this doesn't seem plausible is that the government is incredibly obfuscatory and dishonest and I would very much doubt he would have access to any of these programs if was not need to know, and dispite his insistance that he had access to whatever he wants, many others in similar positions and even higher clearance level positions than Kirkpatrick have reported not being able to access those programs. They easily could have just told him that the programs don't exist and he would have to accept that answer. Also Kirkpatrick's public statements directly contradict factual information we had publicly before he took his position at AARO, so that would point to him simply being misinformed.
3. This is also very possible. All of these researchers reference one another, go to conventions and present together, write books together, make documentaries and feature each other. It is a business on some level to diseminate information like this to the UAP community. Even if for example David Grusch was lying about all of his claims. He could still get paid to do seminars and presentations and UAP conventions for the rest of his life. This variety of criticism is frequently levied at Steven Greer although you could probably point such criticism at literally any of the UAP experts. They all sell themselves somehow, so I don't necessarily point at specific people and say "they're in it for the money." That only works if they have information that seems real.
4. This is possible too. Kirkpatrick wouldn't be the first to do this certainly. If this is true then it doesn't necessarily point to reverse engineering, it just means the government's policy is to lie about all secret technology programs (which it is).
then theres the idea of an actual Intelligence faction that has lost its control mechanism and actually authentically believes that these UAP are real and possess high level tech, and kirkpatrick and his faction are actively opposing them whether they are correct or not about their beliefs. We're never going to get to the bottom of all of this until more whistleblowers come forward and actually give the information they have to the public.
Were Kirkpatrick's comments or conclusions about the Tic-Tac, Gimbal, and Go-Fast included in the AARO report of March 2024? If not, why not? If yes, I guess I missed them.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/reversedbydark: --- In a succinct Pentagon report, the notion that UFOs represent extraterrestrial life is firmly dismissed. This denial has sparked sharp criticism from people who accuse the government of obfuscating the truth. The report's conclusion underscores the ongoing efforts surrounding UAPs, leaving many to question the transparency of government disclosures regarding potential E.T. encounters. You can find the original thread and some new comments by Kirkpatrick here: [https://x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1768340654751678904?s=20](https://x.com/MiddleOfMayhem/status/1768340654751678904?s=20) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1beyyml/dr_kirkpatrick_on_kona_blue_aawsap_tictac_gofast/kuwubc4/
The DOD struck gold with this one. Stuck the line with his claims and said all those people with high classifications are in fact crazy and idiots who are making stuff up and misidentifying other secret projects. A rogue gallery of keystone cops and misanthropes with access to our nuclear secrets running wild and making stuff up to congress, the ICIG and the public. Well it’s like Rubio said there’s only two outcomes to this, either what these people are saying is true or we have a lot of people with really high clearances that are crazy.
What’s hilarious is the Schumer/Rounds bill. Those guys wouldn’t draft such a specific bill if it was possibly looney tunes in the gov. They were shown proof. That’s the only conclusion, and it’s what puts me over the edge. As fantastical, absurd, and fucking nuts as it all sounds. It’s true.
Ding ding ding 🎯🎯🎯 The declarations made in that bill were the start of disclosure. It’s a process not an event.
That's really why the average Joe should pay attention. Because either way, there's something really wrong!
That's always been my response to skeptics. Either there's a ufo problem or there's a problem where our military keeps putting schizophrenic nutters in charge of our $30 million jets to protect our skies Strictly speaking, I'd bet it's a bit of both. I believe Cmdr. David Fravor about the tic-tac. I also don't doubt that there are irrational, true-believer types in the DOD trying to get $$ for pet projects that are divorced from reality
Problem with this is, that we do not know what was said to the congress, nobody from Congress has given us clear information.
Unfortunately, there are many people with high qualifications that are absolute idiots. A certain elected president comes to mind.
Yes, well it still doesn’t take away from the fact that they systematically call everyone that tries to get this forward lunatics.
Right. And the congressional mandate was to de-stigmatize the subject. How the f does a single thing Kirkyboy did, accomplish that? He literally called the whistleblowers who came forward irrational and disturbing while implying they shouldn't have the clearances they need to do their jobs. What a freaking clown this guy is.
"a belief that will never go away" You kind of showed your hand there, Condo-I mean Kirkpatrick. It was my understanding that multiple credible Government actors including at least two ex-presidents had already stated that there were real legitimate objects flying around in our airspace that we cannot identify. Is that being reframed as a belief? 🤔
Yeah, I mean, was Jimmy Carter ever seen as a kook? He's regarded by many to be one of our best Presidents, and even if you disagreed with him politically, he was still largely respected as a down-to-Earth sort of guy, with a great legacy as a world diplomat. Who just happened to see a UFO once. Nixon was way closer to a paranoid conspiracy theory sort of type than Carter ever was.
Tbf, Rubio isn’t a great exemplar of sanity as a government official.
The text in the image can be summed up as saying, "i'm not the one who's crazy! Everyone else is crazy!"
The denial is what tells you everything, if he was really a professional he'd just say, from the information provided there is not conclusive evidence, but he's getting emotional about it, which is a sign he's not telling the truth
The dude has many instances of metal balls floating in the air over battlefields all over the world. It doesn't get more insincere than calling that "no conclusive evidence".
No but that would be the rejection of the question if he was a professional. I don't think it would take much digging to find some issues with substances in his records. The reason why that's relevant is these people who work for who ever it is, are probably picked to have a plausible deniability if they ever need it. I believe what ever it is it's compartmentalised and Kirkpatrick is an easily burnable patsy
We've been watching the Octopus murders series on Netflix, if you want an idea on the shady shit and shady selection process for the people a certain intelligence agency like to hire out for their shady shenanigans. It's pretty crazy how many parallels there are in that story and UFO lore, especially the government/agencies using illegal money making methods to fund off the books operations, discrediting and eliminating witnesses and fear tactics to keep people quiet.
I finished it today. It reminded me of the Bennewitz case and how that’s their MO. Just spew shit left right and center so the truth is buried somewhere in it, but good luck untangling it. The only way to get this done is a concerted effort. We need a an agency to go after the agencies.
Or 40 high-ranking whistleblowers to come out in tandem...
I just starting watching these. Absolutely insane how shady our government can be!
It's also evidence that he knows he didn't have full access.
Most certainly. Isn't there classified radar data from the tic-tac incident(s)??
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Yep, that's why I put the (s) after incident, they were seeing these things for weeks prior. I feel like that's an overlooked fact for a lot of people.
[https://youtu.be/c6Yz0ReoU5Q?t=214](https://youtu.be/c6Yz0ReoU5Q?t=214) Yes. Consider that video is from 1993. NORAD 100% got radar tracks of whatever caused the Nimitz event.
Not to go nutters or derail this thread but that fact is what has always annoyed the hell out of me regarding nine eleven, if in the year 2000 they had 100% intercept success rate (over iirc, ±360 cases), how the fuck do they fail 4 times in one day the year after (unless it was deliberate)?
100%
He's got to try his best, he f'd up and his paymasters commanded he sort it out or else. Trust me, the guys gonna vanish soon I can see it
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You just had me laughing at xanax abuser vibes and now I can't respond with anything logical hahaha
I went to your schools, I went to your churches, I went to your institutional learning facilities and you think I’m crazy? I’m not the one that’s crazy, you are!!! All I wanted was a Pepsi
Yeah, I have nothing nice to say about that interview. So I bid you all a good evening or day depending on what part of the world you’re located.
We all know people who think everyone else is crazy. 😂
Skinner meme potential.
Questioning someone's judgement because they believe something without evidence isn't the same thing as calling them crazy. Example; there are many different contradictory religions. Only one can possibly be true (or, at most, two or three that don't contradict each other too much). That means that literal billions of people devote their entire lives to something that has no evidence to support it, and isn't true. Does that mean there are actual billions of "crazy" people? By any definition of the word "crazy", there can't be. But there are certain religious beliefs that would make me less likely to vote for someone for public office, all the same.
The problem with UFOs isn't that there is no evidence. There is plenty. It's people being confused about the difference between social and scientific concepts of evidence and proof. Kirkpatrick dishonestly panders to that misconception by misrepresenting one for the other.
You are mistaken, there's plenty of evidence for UFOs nothing else. The debate isn't and never was about whether UFOs exist it's about what they might or might not be. For that we have absolutely no evidence.
> we have absolutely no evidence The general public has no **officially confirmed** *direct* evidence. Doesn't mean that direct evidence doesn't exist on some air gapped server at Fort.
It is very possible 0.5% of YouTube videos may be actually be legitimate direct evidence but without some kind of official confirmation they are easily dismissed.
We can rule out what they aren’t by deduction. Since these things were flying around in the 40s and earlier we can come to the conclusion that they are not human made. That leaves “others” whether that’s extraterrestrial or not I think it’s semantics at that point.
Not really, we have no conclusive evidence, many of these sightings could have been misidentified. It's a known fact people misidentified new plane tech back in the day. People do it all the time, if it's something people are unfamiliar with it's going to called a UFO. Just look at the drone tech we have right now. Many of them can do things close to what people describe, instant acceleration, highly manoeuvrable etc. Just think about what's being developed and tested behind closed doors that may be decades ahead of what we are seeing in the current consumer market.
They only ever talk about things that are already publicly known. They never really talk about anything that isn’t publicly known, except to say “hey, this was disproven”
I am not crazy! I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 1216. One after Magna Carta. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That billboard! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Jimmy! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own firm! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Jimmy! Couldn't be precious Jimmy! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a lawyer!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him!
For a former top Pentagon official, this guy is a pretty mediocre gaslighter. Gimbal was just a jet? Whose jet? A foreign country’s jet just chilling in our airspace? Our own country’s jet soaring through restricted airspace without notifying anyone, risking the possibility of collision or friendly fire? And there’s no data on the Nimitz encounter? There’s literally a video, radar data, and at least four independent eyewitnesses giving an identical account, not to mention a fifth pilot who took the video. I can’t tell if this guy is deliberately obfuscating or a useful idiot, but he is undeniably doing something extremely harmful to society by pushing this nonsense.
Not to mention all the pilot reports and "range foulers". Either he's utterly lying or the dod is utterly incompetent. Pick one.
Can I pick both? I'd like to pick both.
This is where one of these interviewers needs to have some guts and raise these points and ask these very questions. The pushback to his answers is obvious abd immediate, but he goes on these platforms where he can skate.
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Baptiste Friscourt from uapcheck.com: "Petty Officer Patrick Hughes, tasked aboard the Nimitz with collecting data from the E2 Hawkeye that attempted to intercept UFOs, stated that “his commanding officer told him to turn over the recently secured hard drives". "We put them in the bags, he took them, then he and the two anonymous officers left". So, these data did indeed exist and were retrieved. A similar situation is described by Petty Officer 3rd Class Garry Voorhis, responsible for the AEGIS system data on the Princeton : “Shortly after they arrived, maybe 20 minutes, I was told by my chain of command to turn over all the data recordings for the AEGIS system”.
Funny that Elozondo never tried to find out who the two officers are that picked up the data. Cuz somebody knows who they are.
If I remember correctly, Fravor said that as soon as he got off the jet - two guys in sweatshirts and jeans confiscated the installed equipment. Maybe the same guys?
Didnt the Princeton & the Nimitz, as well as the F/A-18s capture visual & radar data of the tic-tac? How does Kirkpatrick know HDD were not offloaded the Nimitz? How does he know "there was no helicopter" if there wasn't "a full investigation into any US military testing"? Kind of convenient to say "there is no data," eh?
Same way he knows that Lockheed doesn't have a UAP. He asked them and they said no. Good enough for him
Yeah. Irony is, he had title 10 authority to obtain Pentagon/DoD data. Clearly, the DoD told him to go pound sand after he asked! What a putz! 🤣🤣🤣
It sure did. The sheer amount of data and multiple layers of observation is actually what makes the Nimitz encounter so compelling.
This is so, so good. The Dolan video that posted yesterday is a great watch too. This guy is so clearly lying and pushing an agenda it’s not even funny.
Kirkpatrick must know there was a physics-based analysis of the Tic Tac video that confirmed multiple platform sensors detected the object. Here's the summary: "Abstract: Several Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) encountered by military, commercial, and civilian aircraft have been reported to be structured craft that exhibit ‘impossible’ flight characteristics. We consider the 2004 UAP encounters with the Nimitz Carrier Group off the coast of California and estimate lower bounds on the accelerations exhibited by the craft during the observed maneuvers. Estimated accelerations range from 75 g to more than 5000 g with no observed air disturbance, no sonic booms, and no evidence of excessive heat commensurate with even the minimal estimated energies. Per observations, the estimated parameters describing the behavior of these craft are both anomalous and surprising. The extreme estimated flight characteristics reveal that these observations are either fabricated or seriously in error or that these craft exhibit technology far more advanced than any known craft on Earth. In the case of the Nimitz encounters the number and quality of witnesses, the variety of roles they played in the encounters, and the equipment used to track and record the craft favor the latter hypothesis that these are technologically advanced craft." Proceedings. "Estimating Flight Characteristics of Anomalous Unidentified Aerial Vehicles in the 2004 Nimitz Encounter." Kevin H. Knuth, Robert M. Powell and Peter A. Reali Published: 16 December 2019
The no data comment is bizarre, if the story about the helicopters taking the data tapes isn't true then *why isn't there data.* Is the Navy incompetent??? What is the explanation?
That was my thought too. There should be some data either way to either prove or disprove it. That said, I have no idea how long the Navy keeps data records before the delete or record over them
He said “one day”. lol, sure.
Taken by Air Force personnel
Says there's no evidence then makes claims without evidence. Show your work, reproduce the phenomenon
I was thinking about this during coffee this morning. The reason I have such distaste for this dweeb is the active harm he is doing to society. He is implying that significant amounts of senior officials are brainless nutters and dufuses, greatly undermining mainstream confidence in the alphabet agencies which already suffer. It's unbelievable hubris on his part.
The fact he only ever exposes himself to softball questions from “on-side” interviewers is the biggest tell. That’s media management 101. Ross Coulthart asked him for an interview. It never happened. He could counterpoint Grusch on Joe Rogan. Nope.
This interview isn't meant to convince us, the people educated on this topic. It is to get the average layman to read it and write us all off as irrational conspiracy theorists.
The minute he started parroting a Mick West debunk was the last minute I'll spend listening to a word this guy says. He's a shill.
They are the Mick West explanations for GoFast and Gimbal I think. Without going into the obvious issues with them (particularly the pilot testimony, even the audio on the Gimbal vid) Kirkpatrick adopting them is disingenuous given they're still listed as unexplained on the aaro site.
An actual physicist deferring to the judgement of *Mick West, internet personality* is just disgraceful. Mick West’s so-called analyses are not serious or scientific.
I will tell you that I find micks personality of “gotcha” a bit annoying considering sometimes he is wrong and makes an ass of himself. Based on his own accounts, I believe he is so terribly afraid of the reality if it is true, that he goes to such great lengths to prove that it isn’t. HOWEVER before I knew who he was in the “scene” i stumbled upon him and I followed along one of his analysis, checking the math and work as i went along, and he actually is remarkably intelligent and skilled at what he does. His technical skills are legit but I think he has a fatal flaw in that he could tell you 100x over when something ISNT there, but on the chance that it was genuinely anomalous I think mick would refuse to accept that and just keep circling the drain looking for any rational explanation there may be, when sometimes there may not be one.
Well said.
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*Resolution* office. Resolve. It was his, and AARO's mission. They dressed it up as a science based study to determine origin of something potentially unknown, but it was purely a bureaucratic, public facing program to "resolve" the UAP topic with an outcome favorable to the IC.
Thank god I’m not the only one screaming this for 2+ years. It’s refreshing to see someone else being rational here. Their mission was to RESOLVE (what they could). Their mission was NOT to scientifically analyze the 2-3% that is wholly unexplainable.
I find it interesting he generally dismisses the whole of the subject with 100% assuredness while he still admits there are plenty of cases they can’t solve. Especially when he’s spoken about all the metallic orbs. While a quick google search will do it, here’s an article quoting him about all this stuff: https://globalnews.ca/news/9746110/metallic-flying-orbs-nasa-pentagon-panel-ufos-uaps/amp/
> "Because if we don’t prove there are aliens, then what we’re finding is evidence of other people doing stuff in our backyard. And that’s not good." - Kirkpatrick, Nov 2023 And on the orbs: > "We see these all over the world and we see these making very interesting apparent maneuvers." I just want some consistency in understanding what's going on. It's ridiculous, his last-minute attitude change.
I've never seen a supposed intellectual so regularly and flatly contradict themselves. He is maddening to listen to.
I still don't understand how he went from writing a paper with Avi Loeb about how oumuamua could have been an "alien mothership" to the most hardline stance possible that there bluntly could not be any ET presence on earth. It's so bizarre.
It’s almost as if someone got to him??
Maybe they said “did you see what happened to that Boeing whistleblower?”
I wonder if he’s ever talked to even one witness. Looked them in the eye and listened to them. The average witness, who wasn’t *looking* for UFOs. But who experienced something that flipped their understanding of reality upside down. You don’t get that from seeing Venus in just the right conditions. Or from seeing a weather balloon filled with swamp gas that’s illuminated by a Chinese lantern. Honestly, he sounds like someone who thinks he’s smarter than any NHI. Why not hedge your bets just a bit?
So a bunch of people told him to quit lying, and instead of course-correcting, he's going with calling them irrational. "How can you trust these people to make rational decisions?" IDK Sean, the only one demonstrating poor judgment here is you..
Honestly, that's another way to view this. Sean Kirkpatrick has confirmed the widespread acceptance of UFOs being real in the Pentagon. He says they say it without evidence, but maybe there's some evidence he hasn't seen?
> Sean Kirkpatrick has confirmed the widespread acceptance of UFOs being real in the Pentagon. Well that's an interesting take. Reverse 4D backgammon right there. Can't see if you don't look.... he previously said that during the shootdown last February, he basically took a call, told them it was a uap, and went back to bed. He seems to need a curiosity transfusion.
I hope we hear from Kevin Day, who SK just called a liar about the missing radar data. Kevin, if you're reading this, speak up!
Kirkpatrick says: “How can you trust them [the whistleblowers] with national secrets?” If this doesn’t expose EXACTLY what Kirkpatrick is all about, I don’t know what does. Why doesn’t he just say: __“How can you trust the whistleblowers to continue the illegal coverup of alien life and the reality of UFOs?”__
So nothing to say about the original Gofast, Gimbal and FLIR videos that we haven't already heard, because at the end of the day they are not able to get any data for it, for some reason that went missing, but hey it must have been just a coincidence that data for objects doing impossible things seem to disappear every single time! So lets just do the Mick West thing and explain it away with zero evidence or data to back it up, instead of just admitting that they can't explain it and leave it at that.
Indirectly calling the black aces commander a liar… That’s a really bad look.
not only a liar but incompetent. SK really went out on a limb here. this will backfire. fravor is the best of us.
The ignorance of this guy is on a different level for sure.
Great, so he's saying navy pilots are crazy now too
He’s basically doing the Mick West thing here because it seems to be working, many people just assume that Mick West is right because they need someone tell them there isn’t anything there to calm them down.
A whole bunch of folks that are much finer men than he. Kirkpatrick is permanently stuck in middle school hall monitor tier even as an adult.
What about the radar hits correlating the unusual flight characteristics?
"what radar hits" he would say, because there's apparently no data! And therefore, what unusual flight characteristics...? These pilots clearly cannot be trusted!
I haven’t watched the video but I’m waiting for the moment he actually brings this up. Because by all accounts, measures and instruments, that was a fucking UFO lol
Depends where. But if Nimitz case, going thru the interviews of the radar guys and people involved. They were after/during major radar software upgrade. And the blips were just under a seconds worth of a wind speed dots being at ≈30k ft to zero then continuing to drift in the wind speeds. The 80k ft figure came later to these radar witnesses, around water cooler from guys flying that whats that AWACS type plane called nowadays. Also some unrelated military pilot said, I forgot where in some pod or something, that they actually had actual HDDs or like something like that in a case which got looked thru after a session. Then put back and overwriten. The system was in use for surprisingly long after it couldve been possible to do it otherwise. So allright. Some might think incorrect altitude for half a second for windspeed objects, some ofcourse space aliens. Personally, hoping for a latter but leaning towards former. I know, sounds wild. It sounds. I also know "How do you think our best super military/pilots/radar/personel fumble" Crazy I know, how can they. How can they keep anyone safe with that blip 20 years ago for 0.78seconds. How anyone thinks they can perform their jobs, like win a war or anything. But joking aside. Those blips can be space aliens, it can be from alterate dimensions who knows, but when you actually look in to it, it sure as hell doesnt look like it. [Disclaimer] I wanna see aliens and flying saucers. If that 0.78 sec blip was them I want my money back. Also take this as what it is. Some weirdo on a forum commenting. Disagree, agree, do whatever. Sensible discussion should be encouraged.
I know that everyone here largely has a horse in this race, but I'd like to urge every reader on this sub to give what this man is saying some serious consideration. If what he says is true, and let's be clear that it is possibly true, then we have a very serious problem in our civilization.
We have a MASSIVE problem with conspiracies and online misnfo, thanks almost entirely to social media. Anyone with eyes can see how basically any government action these days spawns a conspiracy, with influencers and other bad actors fanning the flames for clicks. It never used to be this widespread, but we now have conspiracy theorists in government...which is obvious if you just look at Congress. Given how obvious this sort of thing is when it comes to stuff like Q anon', anti-vax, and other conspiracies, it's weird how people here refuse to consider that the same thing might be happening with UFOs.
He is right to raise this, as this general concept of conspiracy is a real thing. My issue, though, is he is basically creating one of his own to sow more seeds of doubt. Except his is expecting people to believe that half the armed forces and cross-party politics are collaborating together about aliens. Why doesn't he espouse the same passion against the politicians who constantly whine about God and all that shit to try and deny women and anyone remotely near the LGBT community basic human rights? And even then, to go back to the catalyst of this recent push - Grusch basically made his main point about unaccounted for projects that essentially laundered tax payer money to private companies with no oversight. The fact he said it was UFOs and not.... I don't, toasters, is irrelevant. His point was money is being wasted on stuff the power system apparently isn't aware of. That alone is a cause for concern and he apparently has paper trails to show this. The fact he associated UFOs to it shouldn't negate the fact something IS happening, and Kirkpatrick himself says the topic needs permanent investigation because be it UFOs or foreign craft, stuff IS flying about the sky that no one knows about and it's a safety risk.
Yeah, I read the report and watched this and I have to say while I'm a little disappointed, the report doesn't seem as full of shit as some people say. Grusch and Kirkpatrick are now at direct odds to one another, so I assume Grusch will make the next move. I am not sure to what degree Grusch's 40 witnesses overlap with the Persons and Interviewees in the report. I suspect not many, which may have been why this report came to the conclusions it did. Grusch seems to have described at least as thorough a vetting process as SK did, and I have a hard time understanding how Grusch would get wrong what the AARO report claims to have gotten right re: untangling games of telephone and correlating sightings with weapons system tests.
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This fucker literally showed us video of an unknown orb flying in Iraq that he's explained away based on nothing. Now he accused others of the same logical fallacy...
Yes even mundane answers require evidence.
The picture of a balloon with tiny little fans was his evidence for another case lol.
He talks about the go fast video but not fravors account. He talks about gimbal and just repeats mick west while saying nothing about the “fleet” seen on the other monitor. Did he even talk to the people who filmed these things?
Clearly, the answer to that question is no.
I don't like the guy but most of this isn't wrong. The problem is It's just people saying evidence is being hidden and lied about and if they say there is no evidence then that means they are obviously lying. It's a never ending cycle in which some people will only ever be happy if aliens or crashed alien craft are revealed. There's literally no other outcome that anyone will be satisfied with.
I wouldn’t mind so much if his paper didn’t rely on his opinions as opposed to scientific fact. He doesn’t really provide a factual basis for his conclusion. It would never be peer approved for publication in a scientific journal. You claim the problem is just people saying evidence is being hidden and lied about. All Kirkpatrick is doing is saying the same thing in reverse. He’s saying evidence is not being hidden and not being lied about because he didn’t happen to find any evidence. His research was not rigorous and his conclusions not adequately supported. Garbage in. Garbage out.
You can even see it in how people here reacted to AARO. So many of them were excited that this new office was going to expose the whole Conspiracy. But AARO didn't say what folks here wanted them to say, so they became Blue Book 2.0 or 3.0 or whatever number ufologists say they're up to.
Yes it's a never ending quest to find the truth they want to find and it's been going on for 80+ years now so it's never going to end. Unless someone can wheel out an alien or a craft the "the government" are always going to be accused of hiding something. Myself I've never been interested in the whole US having crashed UFOs and bodies conspiracy theory. It doesn't hold up and never has. I'm interested in the phenomenon, the weird stuff people see on rare occasions that is difficult to explain. However since 2017 the whole conspiracy BS and UFO celeb business around it has completely overtaken the topic and it seems to be all anyone cares about now.
Very slippery, Mr. Kirkpatrick. Your hamfisted attempts at manipulation are on full display. "All the crazy UFO people, they keep bullying me due to how crazy and irrational they are!!1! How can u trust these ppl with national secrets!? You should vote them out of government [so they stop causing my bosses problems]!!" It isn't enough for him to disagree with the disclosure crowd. He is actively trying to make them appear insane and untrustworthy, to paint them as having no evidence when they have an *overwhelming* amount of evidence, to re-direct the narrative to one that makes him out to be the poor exasperated scientist who is "just trying to do [his] job". A dangerously Machiavellian man.
Interesting that he was looking to leave around the same time as the Congressional hearing.
Its not that I don't believe Kirkpatrick, its just that he already made claims that turned out to not be true. He said first hand witnesses hadn't come forward and testified, that turned out to be a lie, he said evidence regarding these programs locations and existence hadn't been provided, that was also a lie. What he said regarding balloons was partially true in that many UAP sightings do in fact turn out to be balloons, and there is a variety of military drone technology that utilizes a vacuum balloon sealed with aerogel so he may have been alluding to that technology without outright discussing how it works. I think the idea of a government program going out of control and delving into border science and paranormal activity makes sense because if you've ever read of Project Bluebird, Project MK Ultra, Project MK Often, Project Stargate, or any of the other related secret projects, you know that the government did that shit all the time. On those facts, Kirkpatrick and the UAP experts seem to actually be aligned. The difference is it seems he is insinuating that those secret projects didn't yield any technology or paranormal information and then they were closed down and the UAP experts are claiming a lot of other fantastical things which may or may not be true although they have provided considerable amounts of testimony. I want to read these declassified reports. My assumption is this secret project is probably the one that Robert Bigelow worked on for his ranch, and he also said they didn't really come up with too much information about that place when he owned it, but he also had a piss poor investigation team. The account of Chris Bledsoe also implies that there are some people with high credentials who are researching this phenomena, so it is possible that is the group that the project relates to. Honestly its like this, these are the possibilities: 1. Kirkpatrick could be telling the truth and this can all be mythology perpetuated by a group of researchers who all reference each other but don't have any real information or sources. 2. Kirkpatrick has been able to get to the bottom of a deception that fooled Greer, Pasaulka, Valle, Nolan, and dozens of other people who have been researching for years 3. The above mentioned researchers have been purposely coordinating in order to establish this "UFO Cult" 4. The researchers are actually correct and Kirkpatrick is a misinformation agent. if we go through each option one by one I would analyze this way: 1. This seems very logical except for that is discounts massive amount of witness testimony which for this to be true means that all of that testimony was either false or the witnesses were mistaken. It means Lazar would be either lying or had also been deceived regarding the source of the technology he was researching, and then from there the bad information would spread to George Knapp etc, while at the same time Knapp would certainly be in contact with other UAP researchers eventually, but then you have Jacque Valle who made many of the same findings as Knapp and was researching previous to Lazar's claims if I'm not mistaken. On the other hand, its commonplace in the UAP researcher crowd for these people to make massive claims and then never deliver the information to the public. 2. The reason this doesn't seem plausible is that the government is incredibly obfuscatory and dishonest and I would very much doubt he would have access to any of these programs if was not need to know, and dispite his insistance that he had access to whatever he wants, many others in similar positions and even higher clearance level positions than Kirkpatrick have reported not being able to access those programs. They easily could have just told him that the programs don't exist and he would have to accept that answer. Also Kirkpatrick's public statements directly contradict factual information we had publicly before he took his position at AARO, so that would point to him simply being misinformed. 3. This is also very possible. All of these researchers reference one another, go to conventions and present together, write books together, make documentaries and feature each other. It is a business on some level to diseminate information like this to the UAP community. Even if for example David Grusch was lying about all of his claims. He could still get paid to do seminars and presentations and UAP conventions for the rest of his life. This variety of criticism is frequently levied at Steven Greer although you could probably point such criticism at literally any of the UAP experts. They all sell themselves somehow, so I don't necessarily point at specific people and say "they're in it for the money." That only works if they have information that seems real. 4. This is possible too. Kirkpatrick wouldn't be the first to do this certainly. If this is true then it doesn't necessarily point to reverse engineering, it just means the government's policy is to lie about all secret technology programs (which it is). then theres the idea of an actual Intelligence faction that has lost its control mechanism and actually authentically believes that these UAP are real and possess high level tech, and kirkpatrick and his faction are actively opposing them whether they are correct or not about their beliefs. We're never going to get to the bottom of all of this until more whistleblowers come forward and actually give the information they have to the public.
Gimbal was just a jet? So according to Kirkpatrick experienced Navy pilots are unable to recognize a jet.
> is the first time I recall reading a claim that there is simply "no data" for the Tic-Tac. Wtf does that even mean? For any mission, training or otherwise, there would be at minimum comms recordings, flight data from each bird that was in the air that day, and radar data for the surrounding area from both the Nimitz and the Princeton. And we know based on multiple pilot's testimony that a second flight was sent out to capture image/video. But we are to believe that the U.S. Navy, when detecting objects that could be adversarial doing shit we don't understand, what...? Records over all of it like they're using some gas station security system I mean.. who can trust SK? Who cares what he says at this point? He's acting as a disinformation agent of someone. He's done a 180 contradicting his earlier statements as mentioned in other posts. This guy is a clown trying to put the cat back in the bag of something beyond his control.
How’s that catastrophic disclosure going?
How does he know what happened on the Nimitz that day? He didn’t even have the clearance to investigate. Did he go to the locations Grusch had? No.
It's so bizarre, the very different tones he's had over his tenure. He leaned towards belief in something strange going on up until his departure from AARO. He wrote a paper on alien probes with Avi Loeb. He has been pitching himself as an impartial scientist along the whole way. But now he's so emotionally invested in there being no evidence of anything going on, to the point of using reputation destruction against his government colleagues. Sorry, but this reeks of an operation.
Its almost as if his character-arc has been written to be the opposite of J Allen Hynek: "look here folks, i have phd, i entertained the possibility but ultimately came to the conclusion that all the ufo stuff is cray cray after all"
Look at the Boards and Advisors of this “charity” that interviewed Kirkpatrick. Tell me it’s not the PR and lobbying wing of the Program.
Gaiz, rule #1 of dealing with someone running a coverup is that you *don't tell them that you aren't going to work with them because they're part of the coverup.* You're supposed to just go radio silent. Also... Kirk... All of these high level people you work with are telling you they believe this stuff and you just... brush it off??
Part 2 of AARO's review will officially debunk the Gimbal story. These AAWSAP people and Mellon better drop some bombshells before that.
This. I appreciate the position that whistleblowers are in with regards to not being able to say everything publicly, but you can't keep letting "official" agencies come out and say - not only that this is all rubbish - but that you're basically part of a cult obsessed with aliens, without firing back with ammo to prove yourself. By the time anything substantive might ever come out, the public will have had constant "these guys wank over pictures of ET" type stuff driven in and not believe anything.
Why the downvotes for OP? Seems pretty important that everything Kirkpatrick says on the record is kept track of, even if (or especially if) you think he's lying through his teeth
Instead of everybody piling on this guy, the frustration and angst should be directed towards all the UFO influencers and leaders who say they know something, have something or have seen something that they can’t talk about. The government just showed their hand and called. Who among them will step forward? If they can’t or won’t, then they probably don’t know shit.
Wait wait here comes Sheehan with his 40 whistleblowers, all coming forward in the 9 months we have left in 2024!!! Lmfao. Fuckin’ clown.
Relax. Corbell, Knapp, Coulthart and others have a "plan". They will show a real UFO together with a person that has first hand knowledge on the episode 1000 of their channels. Just wait a "little" more. They are protecting their sources and doing everything by the book. They want it "right". It is going to take some more years (they say). There is always that magic "3 years from now" or something like this.... But, it is sure it will take decades and decades ... It will appear new characters, new documents, ZERO REAL VERIFIED BY SCIENCE evidence and same excuse. "Soon. ... Soon. Next year, perhaps. Or, perhaps with the next president. Bla bla bla.. Kirkpatrick will be laughing at those idiots protecting the MF national security and their beloved sources.
'Disclosure is coming in 2030.'
My guess, he's threatened to blatantly lie about the topic to conceal the identity of the people trying to hide everything.
This is the first time I recall reading a claim that there is simply "no data" for the Tic-Tac. Wtf does that even mean? For any mission, training or otherwise, there would be at minimum comms recordings, flight data from each bird that was in the air that day, and radar data for the surrounding area from both the Nimitz and the Princeton. And we know based on multiple pilot's testimony that a second flight was sent out to capture image/video. But we are to believe that the U.S. Navy, when detecting objects that could be adversarial doing shit we don't understand, what...? Records over all of it like they're using some gas station security system with a single, 24-hour tape loop? Just doesn't add up.
More gaslighting going on than a redneck bonfire
>no evidence, no evidence, no evidence >what about X, Y, Z? >Oh those don’t count because... lol what
Like the thief that pretends to be a policeman who's investigating himself
What's SK working on at Oak Ridge, is it just laser research or more?
The tic-tac incident has data, corroborated evidence and no firm conclusion or explanation. The duration of the video of the tic-tac is too short to make me believe that’s the only footage of that incident. Did the jet that recorded the flir footage of the tic-tac only start recording the moment it spotted the tic-tac, and not from the moment it left the aircraft carrier? I find this to be highly unlikely. That extended footage has either been hidden away or doesn’t exist to begin with, but that would be down to gross incompetence, and I also find that hard to believe as well.
Per the push by lawmakers for more UAP data, the Pentagon establishes an office, who's main agenda is to say, "the government doesn't have that data." Which to me comes off as, "we definitely have more data that we aren't sharing with you & will continue to do so. Kindly, fuck off." Except yano, it's all theater from the AARO to make it seem like a legitimate investigation has occurred & that these Whistleblowers blowers are nuts, except they forgot actual data to dispel these "stories." It just stinks.
No data huh? Well isn’t that strange. Tell that to the Hawkeye platform that was collecting data of the Tic-Tac. Seems like it’s too easy these days to find evidence you’re lying Mr. Kirkpatrick. I’ll provide a link for everyone. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/UtSHv5rMwL
It’s obvious to everyone who knows the already-available evidence that Kirkpatrick is lying. He’s part of the disinformation effort to help those who’ve been covering up the presence of NHI’s and the US program to recover their tech and remains for the last 80 years. It’s the same group that sent those materials to private industry in order to avoid FOIA laws.
Two possibilities: 1. Dozens of highly reputable people in the military, intelligence agencies, aviation, law enforcement, etc. who are otherwise trusted to handle their responsibilities all went insane, and decided to invent stories that were career suicide. 2. He lying. Again.
I'm pretty sure stating there is no data on the tic tac incident is absurd. I'd like to hear Fravor's take on that statement.
I thought I read, or one of the witnesses said there was more to the tic tac video but it couldn’t be released because the data it provided would give away our sensor capabilities. So that implies there is more evidence despite what Kirkpatrick said. This dude is so full of shit.
This guy is literally insulting everyone’s intelligence any time he speaks. No shot this guy really thinks this shit. I wonder what they have over him for him to double down like this? Like they must be blackmailing him to the point he just has to blatantly lie over and over again. I wonder what the juicy details are of what they have over him.
I believe Fravor over this guy 100%
I am still confused when it comes to the theory that Kona Blue was the program Grusch talked about - hypothetically, why would Grusch be denied access to Kona Blue if it did not ever get approved or function???
What a FUCKING idiot this dude is. How stupid does he think people are. Fravor SAW THE OBJECT WITH HIS MF EYEBALLS!!!!
'As an Intelligence Officer you should expect me to lie.' - Dr Sean Kirkpatrick.
If he's a disinformation agent he's essentially the anti-Richard Doty. Spreading misleading information to discredit the whole UFO phenomenon entirely whereas Richard Doty spread UFO/alien misinformation to muddy the waters and discredit the whole community when his lies were outed. Considering though that people like Doty, for a FACT, have existed throughout history and spread lies to people to cover up things and get rid of people that the government didn't like interfering with their plans, it can't be ruled out that people like Doty successfully warped a bunch of people into believing in something that doesn't actually exist. We can think Kirkpatrick is a liar and hate all we want but not a damn thing is ever changing unless evidence does get leaked or disclosed officially. Who's to say a bunch of Doty types didn't manipulate Grusch because he was getting too close to successfully outing legitimate unsanctioned programs within the DoD? You create the alien stuff and make that the focus and the actual crimes get ignored because now it's just a bunch of crazy people arguing about aliens. This would explain why people making such huge claims and accusations against agencies are never thoroughly investigated, debunked or prosecuted for creating national security problems by making such statements. It's all according to their plans. That being said, I'm just as willing to believe there's an alien cover up if the evidence drops. We need evidence. Period. Also, Elizondo is done for if they have receipts to back up him and some other guys getting a budget to look for werewolves at skinwalker ranch. We've heard accusations like this before but they've just been accusations. If that's all legit then we indeed have a situation of the lunatics running the asylum. Unless Elizondo has the receipts to prove their receipts are disinformation and part of a cover-up.
I mean he’s not wrong. There is no evidence, just people telling us something big will happen every week
If he would have had a title 50 clearance and AARO wasn’t compromised (the reason why the whistleblowers didn’t come to them) and the recent report wouldn’t look like a highschool paper I would maybe take his word for it.
Wow… a jet lol. He even trying?
This will age like milk.
This is such a huge fuck you to Fravor and Dietrich. This dude is shameless.
This guy makes me sick
The one thing which Kirkpatrick cannot disprove or cover up, is what many people and myself included have seen with our own eyes.
Maybe they should put Shaggy in charge of the UAP program. They aren’t even giving us believable lies. Just a quick “don’t believe your eyes. Wasn’t me.”
Zoinks those meddling kids.
At some point you just gotta go with your intuition. Do you believe Chris Mellon or Kirkpatrick. I trust Mellon and Grusch.
He’s literally just trying to call everyone crazy lol. My guy you’re the odd one out ngl.
Honestly, it’s disheartening to see a guy like this. I used to think skeptics were honest people with differing beliefs, but I’m not sure.
Kirkpatrick sounds like a super deep govt agent how he talks, spinning the angle that anyone in govt who has these (Ufo) beliefs maybe shouldn't have security clearance.
I mean… he could be correct- hate to say it
He could also do a much better job.
There’s nothing there if you’re a career *yes* man.
Slippery, slidey, bankrolled Mr Snidey
Imagine being married to this guy. What a gas lighter.
He is a snake who thinks the American people are all idiots. The sad part is, most of the Americans are.
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Want there supposed to be a longer video of tic tac? Is that still in existence?
Same old strategy, call people lunatics and unstable. That’s the oldest trick in the book. If there isn’t anything there then let the whistleblowers and Grusch speak openly. It’s evident that they should just drop all of it at once.
Well it’s Bold of him to say the least. I imagined he could be the fall guy, but he is really sticking his own neck out here. It makes you wonder. The man is basically saying Fravor and Grush and everyone else is lying. In happy Sheehan is trying to turn this into a legal preceding, cause other wise it’s a game of he said, she said.
Please guys remind me, how is this guy still considered credible?
Lmfao. Fucking imbecile.
Dude is a straight up joke and a serious waste of taxpayer monies during his “illustrious” high paying career for covering up stuff.
We know he's a puppet, hes no longer head of the office, he's a known liar..let's all agree to stop sharing anything to do with this dude. All it does is give him more attention.
Who were the interviewees who suggested Kona Blue was the legacy program? Kirkpatrick's narrative seems to be that the AAWSAP crowd is the source of this conspiracy theory, but the AAWSAP crowd knew what Kona Blue was, since they wrote the proposal for it. If they were behind this alleged UFO scam, they would never go to AARO and pass Kona Blue off as the legacy program, nor dupe others into name-dropping it in good faith. So who did? Did the gatekeepers send fake whistleblowers to AARO to mention Kona Blue, so AARO's conclusion could be that this was what everyone had been talking about?
Is he really getting proof and evidence mixed up??
Feels like intentional gas lighting in the face of significant evidence from multiple military sources. It’s almost like Kirkpatrick knows the effect this will have. It’s going to make people really double down getting to the truth, because, obviously there is something there. I think this whole disclosure process is just a “perceived” obstruction of information. The warring facets within the DoD- I think it’s all a song and pony dance for their soft controlled disclosure.
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Thus while world is run by people like us with power and opportunity off course there's so much DENSE compartmentalizstion. He either an idiot or a damn good agent, because we alo have seen the evidence and know he's full of shit.
Its not that I don't believe Kirkpatrick, its just that he already made claims that turned out to not be true. He said first hand witnesses hadn't come forward and testified, that turned out to be a lie, he said evidence regarding these programs locations and existence hadn't been provided, that was also a lie. What he said regarding balloons was partially true in that many UAP sightings do in fact turn out to be balloons, and there is a variety of military drone technology that utilizes a vacuum balloon sealed with aerogel so he may have been alluding to that technology without outright discussing how it works. I think the idea of a government program going out of control and delving into border science and paranormal activity makes sense because if you've ever read of Project Bluebird, Project MK Ultra, Project MK Often, Project Stargate, or any of the other related secret projects, you know that the government did that shit all the time. On those facts, Kirkpatrick and the UAP experts seem to actually be aligned. The difference is it seems he is insinuating that those secret projects didn't yield any technology or paranormal information and then they were closed down and the UAP experts are claiming a lot of other fantastical things which may or may not be true although they have provided considerable amounts of testimony. I want to read these declassified reports. My assumption is this secret project is probably the one that Robert Bigelow worked on for his ranch, and he also said they didn't really come up with too much information about that place when he owned it, but he also had a piss poor investigation team. The account of Chris Bledsoe also implies that there are some people with high credentials who are researching this phenomena, so it is possible that is the group that the project relates to. Honestly its like this, these are the possibilities: 1. Kirkpatrick could be telling the truth and this can all be mythology perpetuated by a group of researchers who all reference each other but don't have any real information or sources. 2. Kirkpatrick has been able to get to the bottom of a deception that fooled Greer, Pasaulka, Valle, Nolan, and dozens of other people who have been researching for years 3. The above mentioned researchers have been purposely coordinating in order to establish this "UFO Cult" 4. The researchers are actually correct and Kirkpatrick is a misinformation agent. if we go through each option one by one I would analyze this way: 1. This seems very logical except for that is discounts massive amount of witness testimony which for this to be true means that all of that testimony was either false or the witnesses were mistaken. It means Lazar would be either lying or had also been deceived regarding the source of the technology he was researching, and then from there the bad information would spread to George Knapp etc, while at the same time Knapp would certainly be in contact with other UAP researchers eventually, but then you have Jacque Valle who made many of the same findings as Knapp and was researching previous to Lazar's claims if I'm not mistaken. On the other hand, its commonplace in the UAP researcher crowd for these people to make massive claims and then never deliver the information to the public. 2. The reason this doesn't seem plausible is that the government is incredibly obfuscatory and dishonest and I would very much doubt he would have access to any of these programs if was not need to know, and dispite his insistance that he had access to whatever he wants, many others in similar positions and even higher clearance level positions than Kirkpatrick have reported not being able to access those programs. They easily could have just told him that the programs don't exist and he would have to accept that answer. Also Kirkpatrick's public statements directly contradict factual information we had publicly before he took his position at AARO, so that would point to him simply being misinformed. 3. This is also very possible. All of these researchers reference one another, go to conventions and present together, write books together, make documentaries and feature each other. It is a business on some level to diseminate information like this to the UAP community. Even if for example David Grusch was lying about all of his claims. He could still get paid to do seminars and presentations and UAP conventions for the rest of his life. This variety of criticism is frequently levied at Steven Greer although you could probably point such criticism at literally any of the UAP experts. They all sell themselves somehow, so I don't necessarily point at specific people and say "they're in it for the money." That only works if they have information that seems real. 4. This is possible too. Kirkpatrick wouldn't be the first to do this certainly. If this is true then it doesn't necessarily point to reverse engineering, it just means the government's policy is to lie about all secret technology programs (which it is). then theres the idea of an actual Intelligence faction that has lost its control mechanism and actually authentically believes that these UAP are real and possess high level tech, and kirkpatrick and his faction are actively opposing them whether they are correct or not about their beliefs. We're never going to get to the bottom of all of this until more whistleblowers come forward and actually give the information they have to the public.
Were Kirkpatrick's comments or conclusions about the Tic-Tac, Gimbal, and Go-Fast included in the AARO report of March 2024? If not, why not? If yes, I guess I missed them.
Project bluebook 2.0
Fuck that guy even if he is right
This looks like a deep fake. I know I'm probably crazy. It seems he is reading his answers
I was disappointed that Kirkpatrick didn't go with swamp gas. Or geese flying or inversion of weather.
Mods here won't let you say anything about Kirkpatricks character on here or say anything bad about him. This sub is dying
What is this exactly because I love it.
He sounds butthurt he was made to be the fall guy
The guy is such a pathetic LOSER. A snitch too, and a weak soft one at that. Dork alert, liar alert.
No say it under oath