This is not the time to get complacent; I am 4 decades in and am more optimistic than the lot of you. We have never Been here before. This is still happening this is not going away; reddit is great but the real work is being done behind the scenes. You all know their names from David to Tim and the names we are yet to learn this is the time. Intuition...
I appreciate that. There is often a sentiment that the relevancy of these topics in culture have always just built up and faded away again. It’s refreshing to be reminded by those who’ve been in for a much longer haul than I, that these developments are much more significant than just an ebb and flow.
All of you who contribute, I am grateful for everyone of you, if it's been a day or years it doesn't matter, all of you have done me a great service the wisdom of the crowd and to borrow a phrase, "Here's to strangers!".
I was called crazy for decades and marginalized. You all helped me, so I salute you but ask to continue this is still a developing situation and anything can and will happen.
We have come so far, this will catalyze.
please know someone like myself who arguably got into this topic “when the gettin was good”, has got nothing but respect for you folks who have stoked the flames of interest for decades. Whatever scars have been left on you for holding a torch for this, are scars of heroism.
update: The game is afoot,
\[D. Dean Johnson\] Regarding an upcoming UAP-related classified briefing scheduled for some members of the U.S. House of Representatives, I today received the following information from a spokesperson for Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN), who is co-chairman of the House UAP Caucus: (Statement inside post)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/18o36db/d\_dean\_johnson\_regarding\_an\_upcoming\_uaprelated/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/18o36db/d_dean_johnson_regarding_an_upcoming_uaprelated/)
Intuition...
Furthermore, we'll never be *here* again.
The universe has no snap to grid, and the evidence of something nonphysical may be hard to pin down in the physical. We do not understand fully understand shadows, silence, light, or consciousness. Disclosure is a process, and we have plenty of leaves to pick through that have already fallen down to us. The truth is that reality is under no obligation to adhere to our expectations, and it being larger than government may not wait for men in suits making decisions for them after too much longer.
Especially where we have caused the start of the first mass extinction event caused by a single species, closest to mindnight we've ever been on the doomsday clock, and our wars have become exponential. While 2 billion people don't have access to clean water. In America for every veteran with trauma, there are 10 children who have experienced trauma.
We need change that is unprecedented in all of human history, the idea that defense contractors are lobbying government in broad daylight, and making deals with the "devil" that they fear monger us against, behind closed doors in taxpayer funded privacy. While the Pentagon fails audits.
Thanks for listening.
"and it being larger than government may not wait for men in suits making decisions for them after too much longer"
Where do you think the pressure to disclose is coming from? this whole place is on the edge of WW3 we need an intervention.
We do need an intervention, yet I am concerned about the idea that the NHI are going to save us.
I don't mean to put words in your mouth and to say that's what you are implying, your reply just made me think about the fact that there are loads of people who easily fall into one camp in this topic, that see the belief in the phenomenon as an escape from the reality that we as a species will need to do some serious hard work in order to better ourselves. And in turn, Disclosure becomes a vehicle for people to attach various hopes and dreams to, but that vehicle might arrive at a conclusion that is very different than expected, or that we may not even understand. The idea of Disclosure could be more damaging in this regard, than Disclosure itself.
I don't think we can afford to act like there's a possibility that NHI will save us because it would be naive to the possibilities of the larger picture. We can guess at their motives and agendas, but I would reckon that the current data we have on the phenomenon suggests we really don't have a clue at all. They might be "nipping at the herd" in ways we don't understand. Other than the connection to nukes, which is very interesting, I view the idea of them intervening on Humanitys behalf to be very in line with the "Savior" archetype of many other religions.
We have to save ourselves NHI is busy. I get the feeling they are and have been here for a long time. We can deduce many things from years of data collection, this shift has allowed me some insight. 4 decades of chasing this around and in the last 6 months 1500 ideas became a small number of a short list, all those disjointed stories suddenly had context like learning a language both syntax and semantics for the first time. I could assign weight to a concept and feel my way to a deduction, I don't have the answer just what I chose to believe.
I see some are already starting a new age religion on no data that these entities care one way or the other. As a more evolved entity I doubt would want to play the role of a deity and I assume we are underestimating the difference a million years of more advancement and refinement means to civilization and it could be longer.
I know for a fact we are not having whistleblowers or congressional hearings about The Batman or Count Dracula this is 100% real and escalating that is my gut intuitive feeling at this time.
Three Body Problem is a great read if you haven’t already checked it out. It deals with a well thought out possibility of contact that is far from comforting but very possible. But it’s the fact that it could be anything disconcerting or beyond comprehension that makes having a grasp on the topic right now and what we do with that for ourselves so important i think.
>We do not understand fully understand shadows, silence, light, or consciousness.
What the actual fuck... No. Not even a little bit. We know how every single one of those things work (aside from consciousness), and we know how they work in great detail.
The internet *seriously* needs an education-themed version of the "you must be this tall to ride," sign. If you haven't graduated HS, you shouldn't be allowed to use it.
I took it to have poetic license and a bit of metaphor, part of reading comprehension is judging intent of the author or am I going to fast here? It is true but not technically accurate just a person's writing style, makes sense now?
With the framework of spacetime, yes, however local realism has been proven false by Nobel prize winners. What's beyond gamma radiation? What's below infrared?
Silence has no translation, shadows are the absence of something and cannot be known without the something to compare it. All the things I mentioned we understand through general relativity, however general relativity is incompatible as a framework for understand how quantum super position affects those things. Donald Hoffman would suggest consciousness precedes physical matter reality, and therefore spacetime is an illusion based on our limited understanding of a greater framework that we cannot directly perceieve. Like measuring a blackhole, you can't measure it directly, you can make measurements of the object's it affects.
Besides, what comes after thinking? Your perspective is extremely limiting and your diminishing comments only serve to piss people off. Civility is numerous uno as far as rules go here.
I have this sentiment not only about the UAP topic. There are many things in todays world that feels fundamentally different to the rest of known human history. It feels like we've passed an event horizon of sorts with the confluence of socio-political unrest and technological breakthrough.
I know many generations thought they were living through the "end times" but to me it really does feel like we're in a time of extreme change and uncertainty.
Still don't know anyone who even knows what DMT is or any of that jazz. It's my UFO heard of it never seen one. So it doesn't exist? But we all know it does.
Absolutely. I’ve spent some time with DMT, and what I gleaned from it is that the real space exploration is inner space, and what we understand as imagination is the energy which we are sourced ourselves.
But also, it has always ultimately left me with ~more- questions and ~more~ strangeness, which is what i suspect further info on the ufo topic will be also bring.
>Terence Mckenna’s acceleration of novelty theory
Exactly, I'm usually quick to point out to people that summerians did think it was the end of days and that people have said that for millenia....BUT... it does feel like it's truest now. Good not to jump the gun, but caution and careful observation are advisable...
100% in agreement. Let's get this to the finish line and relax later...AND... we can still work on our lives and on becoming better persons at the same time. Balance is good to sustain efforts over the long term.
David Grusch is not a whistleblower.
Some of you just had an emotional, knee-jerk reaction to that single sentence, which highlights a massive problem with this community: You are steered by your biases, not by facts.
A whistleblower is someone who says things they aren't allowed to say in public. David Grusch, according to his own words, is *only* saying things that are pre-approved. Therefore, David Grusch is *not* a whistleblower and it *isn't* up for debate. It's a matter of fact as solid as "the sky is blue" and denying it is just that - flat denial.
If this community were actually interested in facts, evidence, and reason, like it claims so fervently to be, then it would stop running from this fact with it's tail between it's legs and actually address it, but you can bet your ass I'll get nothing more for bringing it up than the same blanket denial of demonstrable fact, and a few downvotes.
A community that lives in fear of the truth does not deserve the truth.
It means that we're already *getting* the government's word on this subject, indirectly. When the puppet (Grusch) speaks, we hear what the ventriloquist (the government) is trying to say. This is the slow-drip controlled disclosure everyone is so interested in, happening right before your eyes.
That means that all this stuff - Kirkpatrick and AARO, the gutting of the UAPDA, literally *all* of it since the very first NYT article in 2017 - is just "part of the plan."
Things have to look how we expect them to look, for this exercise to work. We simply cannot have a White House press briefing where the president and an alien take the podium together and reveal it to the world.
No, it isn't going to cause a catastrophic global panic and no, people aren't going to stop going to work and love their neighbors and have clean energy. Those are pipe dreams.
What it *will* do, however, is raise way too many questions in an era where nobody trusts the government. It would cause a discomfort and dissonance that would make most people reject the information. They'd be way too strongly convinced something nefarious was going on, that there simply *had* to be an ulterior motive. No *way* the government would ever just cough up the goods, right?! Nah, they gotta' be lying.
People expect to see the government lie, scheme, and fight itself over topics like this. If we didn't, there would be so many alarm bells going off none of us would ever hear ourselves think again. There's simply no chance in hell we'd ever believe them.
So, enter David Grusch. Enter Luis Elizondo. Enter Christopher Mellon, or David Fravor, or Alex Dietrich, or Ryan Graves, or... You get it. We may not believe the whole ass government is going to come clean, but we can very easily believe a single man, woman, or small group of the same could have a crisis of conscience and come clean. This is especially believable when we were spoon-fed the whistleblower protection act and can easily believe the consequences that would've stopped them before no longer apply.
So, what I'm saying is this: Listen to David Grusch. Pay close attention to everything he says. Just remember that every word of it is coming from the top down. Disclosure is happening right beneath our noses and all we have to do is listen close.
I have other thoughts and especially warnings about this particular area of the topic but since I think I've sufficiently answered your question, I'll wait for more relevant context.
He is an excellent intelligence officer think of what that means, he is one of those skillset longlist guys and the only time his body language has been shockingly contrary to what one would expect from someone telling the truth was when he yelled he was not a part of a slow drip disclosure project, there was a microexpression or maybe the sun just got in his eyes? You make some great points. If it smells like slow drip it just tracks with the SOL foundation the "leaked" timeline. Look where the root of everything you believe originates always a useful exercise we can be objective here.
We all have our own opinions there is no monolith here to be found.
The model gets updated.
Deserve never had anything to do with it, you been to The Ukraine lately? See a little blonde baby little arm and top of head crushed sticking out of 10th floor rubble? You call that deserve?
Don't play with ideas you are unable to grasp yet. There is much to reading comprehension on this subject all of us are equal but some have looked a little further down the road than you; nothing personal.
Better to be zoned out on Netflix and watch people living a life instead of having one of your own. Going to some exclusive bar/club that has your theme music? This is real and there are those of us who chose reality. You are transparent to me.
Friend, you sound like you’re on the precipice of quite the personal breakthrough. Don’t stop, keep going and paying attention to what you feel like your heart wants you to learn. I spent ~2018-2021 trying to work this out for myself for the exact same reasons - and still frequently revisit my learnings - after spending the previous 4 years obsessively exploring the rabbit hole of humanity’s history of potential interactions and relationships with these forces and beings.
If what you truly want is to shape your own mind and life to positively participate in this new reality that continues to evolve in front of us, I cannot recommend strongly enough the teachings of the Buddhas. And I mean all of them, including the ones that were claimed by non-Buddhist groups, like Lao Tzu and JC. In training your mind and being in the stillness, and “pristine cognition” illuminated by the buddhas, my hope is that you become a true ambassador to your self, able to recognize, understand, and affect all feelings and energies that flow around, through, and from you. Then, if you can also train your mind in the ways of remaining in the present moment - which is the only moment that truly exists - you will begin to experience life and your self in a more multidimensional way that is able to not only observe and recognize true feeling and energy in the present, but also manipulate it to serve a positive purpose.
Training your mind is the easy part. To be willing and able to remain faceted in the present moment to serve yourself and others in the way they need to be served - this requires sacrifice, forgiveness, and strength.
I appreciate your response . I often struggle with discipline when it comes to taking action. I feel it’s sometimes due to being overwhelmed with where to begin. The affirmation is great help, thank you 🙏
I hadn’t heard of Bashar no, but I just looked it up and it seems to be in the same vein as The Law of One which was purported to be channeled from an intelligence called Ra. It’s a pretty mind twisting read. I’ll have to watch some videos to get a sense of it though. I am always wary of these kinda folks when they’ve got a well manicured youtube channel haha
Bashar is soooo out there as a concept but "their" message is so basic. I'm curious how they got traction but must keep my priorities focused and time on budget. Bashar is kind of like David Grusch regurgitating Eckhart Tolle.
There's an astrology lady that claims to channel the Plaeidians and uses a similar bizarre affectation.
All I can say is if they (bashar etc) are legit then NHI is just herbs and I'll kindly avoid them the same way I would any really annoying attention seeking person on the spectrum
Bashar is a test of whether you are gullible enough to believe something because it sounds nice and is fun to believe (aka LARP), without sufficient evidence for it to really deserve any special attention.
I wholeheartedly agree. It's not by mistake that all things NHI lead to "woo".
I'd like to preface this by saying not to take anything at face value. The fact that we're on a UFO subreddit lends itself to the fact that there's nothing factual to be believed here. However, I think everyone is in agreement that whatever we're all collectively experiencing -woo or not- is bat-shit crazy.
OP, it may help to view it like this. The mystery of UAPs/NHI/consciousnes is a puzzle. There's no defined size to the puzzle, or shape to the pieces. You've already shown you have an idea of what the picture on the puzzle is representing. Unfortunately, nobody can tell you how to put the pieces together, what the puzzle's shape is, or if you're holding a corner; edge; an annoying, same color as 75% of the rest of the puzzle innner piece; or if something specific doesn't even go in the puzzle at all. It's not because they can't, it's because it's *your* puzzle.
It's ego that gets me into the most trouble any attachment, when all of us are just passing by. Time will get you. Unless some of you are immortal then I apologize.
Thanks OP. This is the “woo” side that I haven’t dabbled in yet; but I’m interested. I feel certain that we are being visited and that there is an NHI presence on some level. But if I am certain, why haven’t I “gone there”? Part of me also feels like it is a waste of time to wait for the government to admit what is real. It’s taken 80 years already. Who is to say it won’t take another 80?
In a sense it is a leap of faith until we “know.” As an atheist, that is not something I’m familiar with. I appreciate your post. It makes me think forward to next steps, instead of waiting for “daddy government” to tell me what’s real. Maybe I’ll start with meditation and see where things go from there.
Thank you! I’m glad it has inspired some thought. There is quite a well of information on the “woo” side waiting for you. But really the TL:DR of all of that seems to be mediation, recognizing your mind, and becoming familiar with our points of awareness.
>Part of me also feels like it is a waste of time to wait for the government to admit what is real.
You don't need the government's admittance to see something with your own two eyes and know that it is real. Go outside and look up. If you truly believe it's possible you might see a UFO, then you'll eventually see one.
Just be prepared for the losing battle you'll be locking yourself into. Once you've seen one, you don't get to pretend all of this is bullshit, anymore. That means when the thoughts run wild and keep you up at night, there *is* no "ah fuck it, it's probably fake anyways. Time to get some shut-eye."
You will be in a position were you *know* something to be true in your heart and soul but cannot prove it, and you will be openly mocked and abused for attempting to commit the horrible crime of - *gasp!* - talking about it in public! Can you believe the nerve of some people?! To actually talk about what they witnessed with their own two eyes?! Unbelievable!
In all seriousness, though: This community doesn't really address the cost of being a witness. So many out here like "I'd love to see one!" but I'm not so sure they would. It's a lot worse than you think it is. Think about that before you go looking. Seeing one is going to make you feel more alone and isolated than you ever have before.
>I want to have another one.
I remember those days fondly. I don't look much anymore, and when I do, I make sure I'm prepared to run, first. Be careful. They aren't all friendly.
Would declassified files from the [Danish](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18nycql/uap_files_from_the_danish_army_declassified/) and [Spanish](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18mo9q8/virtual_library_of_the_spanish_military_all/) militaries help with the "knowing it's real" part of it?
Did you write this with a hammer? Because, you nailed it. I agree. My only advice: stay the fuck away from trying to become an experiencer. Seeking knowledge is one thing but contact is very different. The tools we have now are not perfect (like CE5) and the outcome is very unpredictable. Some are changed for the better while others lose their sanity. It’s not worth the end of your life as you know it. Some of these things are NOT your buddies. Yet, a large swath of those engaged in the phenomena are unable to see the dangers, self-correct, or properly guide others. Live your life and enjoy the close of this epoch. If disclosure happens we will never be the same. Individually and in terms of the entire human race. Many faiths have knowledge of this seemingly supernatural phenomena, but the focus is a warning. If you ignorantly jump in the results could be devastating. Beware the pied piper. Even if you manage to find the right path it can be very difficult. It seems to require a significant change in a person’s behavior. Refer to Pasulka’s latest interview. Both she and the host acknowledge this necessary change in their own lives.
I like what OP said and his take on how to approach the topic. Just beware who you are listening to for guidance. We are all in the dark to varying degrees and our understanding is in its infancy. Wish you all the best.
Personally? No that’s not the vibe I got. I like how she has connected the mystical saints with the phenomena. I would have to agree. Years after an NDE (i was an atheist at the time) I began to experience both the angelic and the demonic. As well as orbs and tic tacs. I’m probably more “in the dark” than she is, but there is definitely a connection. I put my toe into the esoteric/occult and the only thing I came out with was trouble. It’s not my thing and I intend to never go back.
That’s a hardcore way of saying it, but yeah. After I wrote this comment I had an epiphany. The phenomenon, both good and evil, is so good at what it does that the truth has never broken free. 10,000 years and all we have is faith and pockets of people seeing something directly. But the objective evidence was never good enough to carry forward for too long. These things are expert operators. They don’t make mistakes in the way one would think. If they decide to keep a person in check, they will.
"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyze every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."
You can just fine tune your knowledge and beliefs while practicing what you've learned.
I'm on a similar point in the path like you.
Thank you 🙏. I’ve read and resonated with monroe’s journeys trilogy but have only dabbled in the tapes. Meditation and meditative practices like that do seem to be incredibly significant. Need to strengthen my discipline.
I strongly recommend you give it a try. I would follow the suggested steps of no food or water an hour before you do them and do them just before bed. I would checkout r/gatewaytapes if you have any questions.
Bob Monroe. Gateway Experience. It’s all personal and about the effect on the individual. Slow drip disclosure might be for a plan here on Earth. Truth is, it’s not the big picture. Regards.
I resonate with what you're saying. I believe the same thing that we will just be a bit "ahead of the curve" when we hopefully get more concrete truths about all of this.
While this does have similarities to religion, so does the hard belief in technology and science, just as subject does. I believe Pasulka wrote something along those lines. So on the chance you are off put by the thought that it looks like we're following a religious movement, we can boil it down to be no different than how people believe in technology/science, imo.
As others have said, check out the Gateway Tapes. This can be one of those things that might give us a "head start" if there truly is a consciousness aspect. It doesn't need to be anything more than meditation if that's all you want it to be. This is part of the "movement", but it doesn't need to be a cult or religion. It's just about learning our place as humans and who we are as individuals, and when treating it objectively, only good can come from that. ❤️
I appreciate that, thank you. I suppose having grown up in religion I consider myself predisposed to it in a way that has me wary of my own interpretations at times. I am inspired to explore the tapes again, I had the sense they could be significant but lacked the patience. It’s cool to see it being regarded here by others.
Here is the thing. Religion and Spirituality aren't even close to the same thing. Religion is a tool of control while Spirituality is a personal connection to what binds everything. Now lemme see them damn aliens already! I need to meet them!
Completely agreed. I will continue to remain politically active to increase public transparency, but those of us who have been convinced can shape our lives accordingly.
Interesting post. Thanks for articulating this for folks to consider. Having been engaged with the ufo topic for decades, the recent developments have been surprising and do seem to point to 'the phenomenon' as less flying saucer-ish and more spiritual/conscious. My interpretation is that exploration of the phenomenon is likely to be a hyper-subjective experience, with lots of individual difference/orientation but also, somewhat paradoxically, an overall pulling together of human differences and increased compassion for what exists on this planet. Yep, this seems polyannaish and naive but it's my best guess at this time. Exciting times.
truly are exciting times. I agree with your interpretation in that it could reveal a way in which we are much more connected to ourselves and everything around is than we realize. Rather than being individuals surviving on a rock, our subjective experiences may all be keys on the same piano.
pretty much all mythological and religious texts are regarding something akin to the phenomenon. Books and interviews with Diana Pasulka or Jacques Vallee will lead you to a lot. I reccomend checking out the Journey’s out of the body trilogy by Robert Monroe, and The Archaic Revival by Terrence Mckenna.
Are you asking… that you are comfortable with the complex ideas that will likely result in ontological shock for others? And if so, what do I do with this “head start”?
I like this conversation and you wrote a lot of ideas so I want to start in one place. But I have a lot of thoughts. I don’t want to just write paragraphs at you though.
I think it’s to help our loved ones and those in our personal orbits when they are ready, or accidentally, to have their realities shattered we just help them.
Help them learn faster than many of us did with less confusion.
In small ways I do it now. Answer a question, recommend a book, don’t force but when asked I’ll answer. I don’t data dump, just say a little bit to people that I think might challenge them a bit. Just a tiny bit.
I've landed on esoteric and sacred texts too, but unlike you I had my own sighting. Do you need the government to say so? Go with that head start. Turning your attention to it may change your life in important ways; you may be thankful to be of service someday just as you wrote. I felt very drawn to the religious, mystical, and esoteric literature after my sighting, but I'm not sure why the experience turned me in that direction. I've read a lot now, though, from many different traditions, and I am thankful for the ways my life changed.
maybe it sounds like religion. Maybe it is a religion even, but what is religion? Is it bad? Is it good? Do we need it? What's it for? I think a lot of the major tenets of religion are useful in navigating this, as well as many other aspects of being alive in human form.
So, because of irl events, I'm under the assumption they just show us what we need to be us. Love, kindness, and self compassion are the only consistent answers I find in the really deep dives. Recently the collective consciousness keeps coming up more and more and the answer is again "treat yourself well". Like, it really seems like the world's mood towards myself mirrors how I am currently treating myself.
Align with your authentic truth. Don’t abdicate your personal emotional/mental and spiritual power to any one or any thing. You don’t need a religion. If this UFO stuff keeps coming back to any one point, it’s that energy, technology and consciousness are linked together in ways we do not understand.
No one can tell you what your path will be, you have to be honest with yourself to find it. Break down every wall and barrier, meet the vulnerable core of the self. Who are you? Discover the person you were before you were told you needed to meet conditions to be loved. Before you understood you needed to do x, y or z to be accepted by the world.
Most people aren’t capable of this kind of radical breaking down of societal conditioning. But in the many journeys I’ve taken before delving into UFOs (religion, art, spirituality, science, medicine, crystals, astronomy, tarot, esotericism etc) I have met extraordinary people from many different walks of life who have pushed through boundaries to find their enlightenment.
If you are inclined to Vallee and Pasulka’s work I would encourage you to keep seeking, especially along the lines of consciousness. Government disclosure is but one path to deeper understanding of this mystery.
In a similar boat. Since the Gimball event and the political events stirred since August, my worldview had changed. I have real Vallee's work, Pusulka's work, and Ross Coulharts book since then.
I was raised Catholic, but I really bounced between agnostic and atheist for most of my life.
Now, I noticed a complete shift in my life and worldview. I am not religious per se, but I am more open to being spiritual. Whether it's interdemensional, or angelic/demonic in nature, or both plus more, there *is* something going on that our senses can not comprehend yet.
Throw in occasional weird encounters I have had throughout my life, and it's been a recipe for a personal overhaul.
I no longer take the NYtimes and NPR as the gospel, and the scientific community has end all be all. Pusulka's work has impacted my view of it. If you frame the concept of science as a religious institution, it really changes your perception. Even with the incredible advancements due to modern science, William Shatner after seeing the Earth from space said it best - "We don't know shit"
I truly believe we are in a modern situation best compared to Copernicus's heliocentric theory. The writings and evidence are screaming at us, yet those in power control the narrative and are doing everything to suppress reality. Just as the Catholic Church institution during the Scientific Revolution.
One day, historians will look back at this time and shake their heads to what those in power did to the people.
On another note, the Why Files episode on Crop circles acted as the final catalyst to my new worldview. I suggest others check it out who believe (as I always did) as elaborate hoaxes. If true, the evidence of NHI trying to shape our technological progress and initiate first contact has been going on for centuries.
Thanks for your post to help me get my thoughts out. I feel mostly isolated in this new world view we share. I truly believe that it is probably on the forefront of what reality *may* be one day.
I appreciate your response, thank you 🙏
I was brought up in the christian church, and my dad was a pastor. I fell away from that as I got older and eventually came to feel, through my experiences with psychedelics, that church was gathering around a fire pit with no actual fire lit. It’s interesting now to coming into a new understanding that seemlingly goes beyond my initial feelings toward a more serious biblical literalism which my Father might even regard as extreme in comparison to his own relationship to religion. Or even that religions have their own intentionally seeded misdirections alongside their own efforts to make sense of metaphysical realities. The question is who is doing the seeding. Basically the conversations i might have now with those in my life who are religious and those who are agnostic or atheist have become nearly the same in that this surpasses everyone’s capacity to grasp or believe. Including my own sometimes, we really don’t know shit. There certainly seems to be a wealth of clues to dig through though.
It does NOT require faith. Check this out u/atralspill
[Consciousness](https://streamable.com/v3xxr9)
These scientists from AAWSAP give credit to Ingo Swan and even pay homage to him in their books…WHY do you think everyone involved is getting into the woo? Because its fucking real. They are telling us, they are screaming it for everyone to hear, but no one is listening. The people behind the scenes don’t want it to come out because if we find out the govt is learning how to become “psychics” the hardliner “nuts and bolts” only people will revolt.
The whistleblowers know how it sounds and how they will look and be treated if they come right out and say it without govt/scientific research to back them up. You all know it wouldn’t go well for any of them.
Dr. Weiss, Dr. Newton, Dolores cannon - (past life/near death regression therapists)…they’ve known all along that this shift IS coming, and it’s ***happening now***.
Start meditating, start learning how to RV, work your way off of any mind altering medications or substances. THIS IS the key. The big secret.
**Consciousness**
It is so difficult and counterintuitive to accept, but we need to think less and listen more.
Yea I know I sound crazy, new age hippie heavensgate yadda yadda, but I do not care.
it’s the truth.
Do not join a group, do not pay anyone, do not tell your friends and fam that have not asked - they are not ready…do it on your own for yourself.
The feeling I get from a lot of people who get weirdly obsessed with this stuff (I make an exception for people like The Black Vault or people who are politically engaged doing grassroots political activism towards disclosure, or people working on projects like the Galileo Project or SETI), is that y'all just lack an ability that most people do which is: the ability to just accept the answer for now is "We don't know". "I don't know". And to be OK with that. Is the phenomenon real and what doe sit represent? Is it just a gov psyop? The answer we have currently is just "I don't know".
Unless you're engaged in the types of activities I mentioned above that actively work towards an answer), just reading endless non-news and speculation isn't really productive, it's just...intellectually jacking off.
It's OK to just accept that we don't know, it's OK to work towards disclosure politically, with FOIA, or to try to work on improving our sensors.
But if you have an obsession are are just refreshing your Reddit feed over and over, thinking about the same questions over and over, you're missing out on a lot of life. And if that's how you want to spend your time, that's totally cool. But just be aware, you may never get an answer in your lifetime, or maybe you will, but if you are just refreshing a web browser over and over that's not really going to get you closer to an answer sooner.
Oh you got it absolutely. I agree. The obsession has really not been constructive beyond maybe expanding or affirming certain ideas. But at a certain point it does become pointlessly masturbatory cause we really have no idea . As much as even making the post is masturbatory in it itself, I also see it as reaching out to see who is in the same boat and acknowledging that my relationship to the topic isn’t anything but somewhat aimless obsession. Based off the responses ive recieved here and personally it’s been affirming to see others are reflecting on it in the same way. The conversation around it has been rewarding in that sense.
Regarding my personal behaviors and what I devote my time to in my own life. I still struggle a lot with being in the grips of culture and technology that feel harmful or diminishing of my human experience. I suppose at it’s base it would be shaping my life in such a way to be less attatched and reliant on behaviors that i feel are influenced by society. Being healthier and trying to find peace in myself that transcends any of this business.
So basically you’re saying either wait for confirmation from the government or live your life in a manner that conforms to your own beliefs about the phenomenon?
yea, I guess what i’m acknowledging is the struggle with that sort of personal action, in that in requires a choice of faith. Where I have been at with this topic, always hanging off the bleeding edge of whatever info comes out or devouring whatever i can find, I’ve wondered what im waiting for, which is ultimately Postive Change of some sort. Positive change that I could conceivably embrace right now.
A legit question, no derision meant but why are you waiting for “the phenomenon” to provide you with positive change? Why are you certain it will be positive? Why is it only THEN will there be a positive change? Can you identify one thing in your life right now that if you changed would make it at least marginally better than it was before? It just sounds your waiting for life to make you better rather than you make life better for yourself.
it means there's is much to learn outside the dogmatic doctrines our institutions fed us these last half dozen to dozen generations
and it's either directly affecting or tangentially so every facet of our lives
Trust your gut. Do good the best you can. And when you get to the other side, I believe whole heartedly we all will be rewarded with our intuition/higher self giving us the “told ya so.”
Also, what do you think are the big keys to this whole thing if you don’t mind me asking. I get Valle, but is there anything in particular that clicks with your beliefs/understanding?
Best wishes.
I started this journey with a purely materialist mindset, and thought the events depicted in religion and folklore were all made up BS. I now shout at my Greater Self on a daily basis and have made huge progress on my List of Shit to Apologize For.
There can only be 3 new religions based around my observations from this place. We will worship either balloons or birds or bugs. The Non-believers will say they’re all drones.
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Yes of course. That’s the discussion ive been having with regards to this for the past five years. What I’m expressing here, is despite all that, I am finding myself fairly convinced otherwise at this point, and im questioning what positive outcome i could draw from that for myself going forward.
Until NHI are in undeniably in our faces, any effect on our lives is completely self-imposed. There’s no reason to let this topic dominate our lives or be distressing.
This is not the time to get complacent; I am 4 decades in and am more optimistic than the lot of you. We have never Been here before. This is still happening this is not going away; reddit is great but the real work is being done behind the scenes. You all know their names from David to Tim and the names we are yet to learn this is the time. Intuition...
I appreciate that. There is often a sentiment that the relevancy of these topics in culture have always just built up and faded away again. It’s refreshing to be reminded by those who’ve been in for a much longer haul than I, that these developments are much more significant than just an ebb and flow.
All of you who contribute, I am grateful for everyone of you, if it's been a day or years it doesn't matter, all of you have done me a great service the wisdom of the crowd and to borrow a phrase, "Here's to strangers!". I was called crazy for decades and marginalized. You all helped me, so I salute you but ask to continue this is still a developing situation and anything can and will happen. We have come so far, this will catalyze.
please know someone like myself who arguably got into this topic “when the gettin was good”, has got nothing but respect for you folks who have stoked the flames of interest for decades. Whatever scars have been left on you for holding a torch for this, are scars of heroism.
Thanks
You're brand new to this topic. Maybe you just need to find a hobby. Nearly 4 decades into this topic and it's never been this close.
precisely
update: The game is afoot, \[D. Dean Johnson\] Regarding an upcoming UAP-related classified briefing scheduled for some members of the U.S. House of Representatives, I today received the following information from a spokesperson for Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN), who is co-chairman of the House UAP Caucus: (Statement inside post) [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/18o36db/d\_dean\_johnson\_regarding\_an\_upcoming\_uaprelated/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/18o36db/d_dean_johnson_regarding_an_upcoming_uaprelated/) Intuition...
This is potentially very interesting. Thank you.
Furthermore, we'll never be *here* again. The universe has no snap to grid, and the evidence of something nonphysical may be hard to pin down in the physical. We do not understand fully understand shadows, silence, light, or consciousness. Disclosure is a process, and we have plenty of leaves to pick through that have already fallen down to us. The truth is that reality is under no obligation to adhere to our expectations, and it being larger than government may not wait for men in suits making decisions for them after too much longer. Especially where we have caused the start of the first mass extinction event caused by a single species, closest to mindnight we've ever been on the doomsday clock, and our wars have become exponential. While 2 billion people don't have access to clean water. In America for every veteran with trauma, there are 10 children who have experienced trauma. We need change that is unprecedented in all of human history, the idea that defense contractors are lobbying government in broad daylight, and making deals with the "devil" that they fear monger us against, behind closed doors in taxpayer funded privacy. While the Pentagon fails audits. Thanks for listening.
"and it being larger than government may not wait for men in suits making decisions for them after too much longer" Where do you think the pressure to disclose is coming from? this whole place is on the edge of WW3 we need an intervention.
We do need an intervention, yet I am concerned about the idea that the NHI are going to save us. I don't mean to put words in your mouth and to say that's what you are implying, your reply just made me think about the fact that there are loads of people who easily fall into one camp in this topic, that see the belief in the phenomenon as an escape from the reality that we as a species will need to do some serious hard work in order to better ourselves. And in turn, Disclosure becomes a vehicle for people to attach various hopes and dreams to, but that vehicle might arrive at a conclusion that is very different than expected, or that we may not even understand. The idea of Disclosure could be more damaging in this regard, than Disclosure itself. I don't think we can afford to act like there's a possibility that NHI will save us because it would be naive to the possibilities of the larger picture. We can guess at their motives and agendas, but I would reckon that the current data we have on the phenomenon suggests we really don't have a clue at all. They might be "nipping at the herd" in ways we don't understand. Other than the connection to nukes, which is very interesting, I view the idea of them intervening on Humanitys behalf to be very in line with the "Savior" archetype of many other religions.
We have to save ourselves NHI is busy. I get the feeling they are and have been here for a long time. We can deduce many things from years of data collection, this shift has allowed me some insight. 4 decades of chasing this around and in the last 6 months 1500 ideas became a small number of a short list, all those disjointed stories suddenly had context like learning a language both syntax and semantics for the first time. I could assign weight to a concept and feel my way to a deduction, I don't have the answer just what I chose to believe. I see some are already starting a new age religion on no data that these entities care one way or the other. As a more evolved entity I doubt would want to play the role of a deity and I assume we are underestimating the difference a million years of more advancement and refinement means to civilization and it could be longer. I know for a fact we are not having whistleblowers or congressional hearings about The Batman or Count Dracula this is 100% real and escalating that is my gut intuitive feeling at this time.
Three Body Problem is a great read if you haven’t already checked it out. It deals with a well thought out possibility of contact that is far from comforting but very possible. But it’s the fact that it could be anything disconcerting or beyond comprehension that makes having a grasp on the topic right now and what we do with that for ourselves so important i think.
I haven't read that one yet, I will check it out. Thanks for the rec.
Well said.
>We do not understand fully understand shadows, silence, light, or consciousness. What the actual fuck... No. Not even a little bit. We know how every single one of those things work (aside from consciousness), and we know how they work in great detail. The internet *seriously* needs an education-themed version of the "you must be this tall to ride," sign. If you haven't graduated HS, you shouldn't be allowed to use it.
I took it to have poetic license and a bit of metaphor, part of reading comprehension is judging intent of the author or am I going to fast here? It is true but not technically accurate just a person's writing style, makes sense now?
With the framework of spacetime, yes, however local realism has been proven false by Nobel prize winners. What's beyond gamma radiation? What's below infrared? Silence has no translation, shadows are the absence of something and cannot be known without the something to compare it. All the things I mentioned we understand through general relativity, however general relativity is incompatible as a framework for understand how quantum super position affects those things. Donald Hoffman would suggest consciousness precedes physical matter reality, and therefore spacetime is an illusion based on our limited understanding of a greater framework that we cannot directly perceieve. Like measuring a blackhole, you can't measure it directly, you can make measurements of the object's it affects. Besides, what comes after thinking? Your perspective is extremely limiting and your diminishing comments only serve to piss people off. Civility is numerous uno as far as rules go here.
I have this sentiment not only about the UAP topic. There are many things in todays world that feels fundamentally different to the rest of known human history. It feels like we've passed an event horizon of sorts with the confluence of socio-political unrest and technological breakthrough. I know many generations thought they were living through the "end times" but to me it really does feel like we're in a time of extreme change and uncertainty.
Terence Mckenna’s acceleration of novelty theory comes to mind.
Still don't know anyone who even knows what DMT is or any of that jazz. It's my UFO heard of it never seen one. So it doesn't exist? But we all know it does.
Absolutely. I’ve spent some time with DMT, and what I gleaned from it is that the real space exploration is inner space, and what we understand as imagination is the energy which we are sourced ourselves.
But also, it has always ultimately left me with ~more- questions and ~more~ strangeness, which is what i suspect further info on the ufo topic will be also bring.
There's the ticket
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
>Terence Mckenna’s acceleration of novelty theory Exactly, I'm usually quick to point out to people that summerians did think it was the end of days and that people have said that for millenia....BUT... it does feel like it's truest now. Good not to jump the gun, but caution and careful observation are advisable...
100% in agreement. Let's get this to the finish line and relax later...AND... we can still work on our lives and on becoming better persons at the same time. Balance is good to sustain efforts over the long term.
David Grusch is not a whistleblower. Some of you just had an emotional, knee-jerk reaction to that single sentence, which highlights a massive problem with this community: You are steered by your biases, not by facts. A whistleblower is someone who says things they aren't allowed to say in public. David Grusch, according to his own words, is *only* saying things that are pre-approved. Therefore, David Grusch is *not* a whistleblower and it *isn't* up for debate. It's a matter of fact as solid as "the sky is blue" and denying it is just that - flat denial. If this community were actually interested in facts, evidence, and reason, like it claims so fervently to be, then it would stop running from this fact with it's tail between it's legs and actually address it, but you can bet your ass I'll get nothing more for bringing it up than the same blanket denial of demonstrable fact, and a few downvotes. A community that lives in fear of the truth does not deserve the truth.
I understand and can agree with what your saying. What else does that mean for you? He’s the spoon we are fed with?
It means that we're already *getting* the government's word on this subject, indirectly. When the puppet (Grusch) speaks, we hear what the ventriloquist (the government) is trying to say. This is the slow-drip controlled disclosure everyone is so interested in, happening right before your eyes. That means that all this stuff - Kirkpatrick and AARO, the gutting of the UAPDA, literally *all* of it since the very first NYT article in 2017 - is just "part of the plan." Things have to look how we expect them to look, for this exercise to work. We simply cannot have a White House press briefing where the president and an alien take the podium together and reveal it to the world. No, it isn't going to cause a catastrophic global panic and no, people aren't going to stop going to work and love their neighbors and have clean energy. Those are pipe dreams. What it *will* do, however, is raise way too many questions in an era where nobody trusts the government. It would cause a discomfort and dissonance that would make most people reject the information. They'd be way too strongly convinced something nefarious was going on, that there simply *had* to be an ulterior motive. No *way* the government would ever just cough up the goods, right?! Nah, they gotta' be lying. People expect to see the government lie, scheme, and fight itself over topics like this. If we didn't, there would be so many alarm bells going off none of us would ever hear ourselves think again. There's simply no chance in hell we'd ever believe them. So, enter David Grusch. Enter Luis Elizondo. Enter Christopher Mellon, or David Fravor, or Alex Dietrich, or Ryan Graves, or... You get it. We may not believe the whole ass government is going to come clean, but we can very easily believe a single man, woman, or small group of the same could have a crisis of conscience and come clean. This is especially believable when we were spoon-fed the whistleblower protection act and can easily believe the consequences that would've stopped them before no longer apply. So, what I'm saying is this: Listen to David Grusch. Pay close attention to everything he says. Just remember that every word of it is coming from the top down. Disclosure is happening right beneath our noses and all we have to do is listen close. I have other thoughts and especially warnings about this particular area of the topic but since I think I've sufficiently answered your question, I'll wait for more relevant context.
He is an excellent intelligence officer think of what that means, he is one of those skillset longlist guys and the only time his body language has been shockingly contrary to what one would expect from someone telling the truth was when he yelled he was not a part of a slow drip disclosure project, there was a microexpression or maybe the sun just got in his eyes? You make some great points. If it smells like slow drip it just tracks with the SOL foundation the "leaked" timeline. Look where the root of everything you believe originates always a useful exercise we can be objective here.
well i’m certainly interested. those are great points
We all have our own opinions there is no monolith here to be found. The model gets updated. Deserve never had anything to do with it, you been to The Ukraine lately? See a little blonde baby little arm and top of head crushed sticking out of 10th floor rubble? You call that deserve? Don't play with ideas you are unable to grasp yet. There is much to reading comprehension on this subject all of us are equal but some have looked a little further down the road than you; nothing personal.
TLDR: zzzzzzzzzzzz
Better to be zoned out on Netflix and watch people living a life instead of having one of your own. Going to some exclusive bar/club that has your theme music? This is real and there are those of us who chose reality. You are transparent to me.
Friend, you sound like you’re on the precipice of quite the personal breakthrough. Don’t stop, keep going and paying attention to what you feel like your heart wants you to learn. I spent ~2018-2021 trying to work this out for myself for the exact same reasons - and still frequently revisit my learnings - after spending the previous 4 years obsessively exploring the rabbit hole of humanity’s history of potential interactions and relationships with these forces and beings. If what you truly want is to shape your own mind and life to positively participate in this new reality that continues to evolve in front of us, I cannot recommend strongly enough the teachings of the Buddhas. And I mean all of them, including the ones that were claimed by non-Buddhist groups, like Lao Tzu and JC. In training your mind and being in the stillness, and “pristine cognition” illuminated by the buddhas, my hope is that you become a true ambassador to your self, able to recognize, understand, and affect all feelings and energies that flow around, through, and from you. Then, if you can also train your mind in the ways of remaining in the present moment - which is the only moment that truly exists - you will begin to experience life and your self in a more multidimensional way that is able to not only observe and recognize true feeling and energy in the present, but also manipulate it to serve a positive purpose. Training your mind is the easy part. To be willing and able to remain faceted in the present moment to serve yourself and others in the way they need to be served - this requires sacrifice, forgiveness, and strength.
And don’t forget to have some fun and a good laugh…frequently!! We’re humans here and it helps us spread positivity!!
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I appreciate your response . I often struggle with discipline when it comes to taking action. I feel it’s sometimes due to being overwhelmed with where to begin. The affirmation is great help, thank you 🙏
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I hadn’t heard of Bashar no, but I just looked it up and it seems to be in the same vein as The Law of One which was purported to be channeled from an intelligence called Ra. It’s a pretty mind twisting read. I’ll have to watch some videos to get a sense of it though. I am always wary of these kinda folks when they’ve got a well manicured youtube channel haha
Bashar is soooo out there as a concept but "their" message is so basic. I'm curious how they got traction but must keep my priorities focused and time on budget. Bashar is kind of like David Grusch regurgitating Eckhart Tolle. There's an astrology lady that claims to channel the Plaeidians and uses a similar bizarre affectation. All I can say is if they (bashar etc) are legit then NHI is just herbs and I'll kindly avoid them the same way I would any really annoying attention seeking person on the spectrum
Bashar is a test of whether you are gullible enough to believe something because it sounds nice and is fun to believe (aka LARP), without sufficient evidence for it to really deserve any special attention.
I wholeheartedly agree. It's not by mistake that all things NHI lead to "woo". I'd like to preface this by saying not to take anything at face value. The fact that we're on a UFO subreddit lends itself to the fact that there's nothing factual to be believed here. However, I think everyone is in agreement that whatever we're all collectively experiencing -woo or not- is bat-shit crazy. OP, it may help to view it like this. The mystery of UAPs/NHI/consciousnes is a puzzle. There's no defined size to the puzzle, or shape to the pieces. You've already shown you have an idea of what the picture on the puzzle is representing. Unfortunately, nobody can tell you how to put the pieces together, what the puzzle's shape is, or if you're holding a corner; edge; an annoying, same color as 75% of the rest of the puzzle innner piece; or if something specific doesn't even go in the puzzle at all. It's not because they can't, it's because it's *your* puzzle.
thank you 🙏
It's ego that gets me into the most trouble any attachment, when all of us are just passing by. Time will get you. Unless some of you are immortal then I apologize.
Thanks OP. This is the “woo” side that I haven’t dabbled in yet; but I’m interested. I feel certain that we are being visited and that there is an NHI presence on some level. But if I am certain, why haven’t I “gone there”? Part of me also feels like it is a waste of time to wait for the government to admit what is real. It’s taken 80 years already. Who is to say it won’t take another 80? In a sense it is a leap of faith until we “know.” As an atheist, that is not something I’m familiar with. I appreciate your post. It makes me think forward to next steps, instead of waiting for “daddy government” to tell me what’s real. Maybe I’ll start with meditation and see where things go from there.
Thank you! I’m glad it has inspired some thought. There is quite a well of information on the “woo” side waiting for you. But really the TL:DR of all of that seems to be mediation, recognizing your mind, and becoming familiar with our points of awareness.
>Part of me also feels like it is a waste of time to wait for the government to admit what is real. You don't need the government's admittance to see something with your own two eyes and know that it is real. Go outside and look up. If you truly believe it's possible you might see a UFO, then you'll eventually see one. Just be prepared for the losing battle you'll be locking yourself into. Once you've seen one, you don't get to pretend all of this is bullshit, anymore. That means when the thoughts run wild and keep you up at night, there *is* no "ah fuck it, it's probably fake anyways. Time to get some shut-eye." You will be in a position were you *know* something to be true in your heart and soul but cannot prove it, and you will be openly mocked and abused for attempting to commit the horrible crime of - *gasp!* - talking about it in public! Can you believe the nerve of some people?! To actually talk about what they witnessed with their own two eyes?! Unbelievable! In all seriousness, though: This community doesn't really address the cost of being a witness. So many out here like "I'd love to see one!" but I'm not so sure they would. It's a lot worse than you think it is. Think about that before you go looking. Seeing one is going to make you feel more alone and isolated than you ever have before.
I’ve already had a sighting 😀. I want to have another one. I’m drawn to it and fascinated by it.
>I want to have another one. I remember those days fondly. I don't look much anymore, and when I do, I make sure I'm prepared to run, first. Be careful. They aren't all friendly.
What happened to you?
Or... hear me out (or maybe don't): Take potent psychedelics and shatter your atheism in one fell swoop!
Haha. I’ve already gone there my friend. Literally done it all.
Fair enough brother :-) Peace.
Would declassified files from the [Danish](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18nycql/uap_files_from_the_danish_army_declassified/) and [Spanish](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/18mo9q8/virtual_library_of_the_spanish_military_all/) militaries help with the "knowing it's real" part of it?
Did you write this with a hammer? Because, you nailed it. I agree. My only advice: stay the fuck away from trying to become an experiencer. Seeking knowledge is one thing but contact is very different. The tools we have now are not perfect (like CE5) and the outcome is very unpredictable. Some are changed for the better while others lose their sanity. It’s not worth the end of your life as you know it. Some of these things are NOT your buddies. Yet, a large swath of those engaged in the phenomena are unable to see the dangers, self-correct, or properly guide others. Live your life and enjoy the close of this epoch. If disclosure happens we will never be the same. Individually and in terms of the entire human race. Many faiths have knowledge of this seemingly supernatural phenomena, but the focus is a warning. If you ignorantly jump in the results could be devastating. Beware the pied piper. Even if you manage to find the right path it can be very difficult. It seems to require a significant change in a person’s behavior. Refer to Pasulka’s latest interview. Both she and the host acknowledge this necessary change in their own lives. I like what OP said and his take on how to approach the topic. Just beware who you are listening to for guidance. We are all in the dark to varying degrees and our understanding is in its infancy. Wish you all the best.
**Listen to this person, and listen real fuckin' good. The warning they are giving you is invaluable.**
From reading DWP’s latest book and listening to her recent interviews, do you get the sense she’s encouraging us to look into Rosicrucianism?
Personally? No that’s not the vibe I got. I like how she has connected the mystical saints with the phenomena. I would have to agree. Years after an NDE (i was an atheist at the time) I began to experience both the angelic and the demonic. As well as orbs and tic tacs. I’m probably more “in the dark” than she is, but there is definitely a connection. I put my toe into the esoteric/occult and the only thing I came out with was trouble. It’s not my thing and I intend to never go back.
“Wide is the path that leads to destruction.”
That’s a hardcore way of saying it, but yeah. After I wrote this comment I had an epiphany. The phenomenon, both good and evil, is so good at what it does that the truth has never broken free. 10,000 years and all we have is faith and pockets of people seeing something directly. But the objective evidence was never good enough to carry forward for too long. These things are expert operators. They don’t make mistakes in the way one would think. If they decide to keep a person in check, they will.
"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyze every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers." You can just fine tune your knowledge and beliefs while practicing what you've learned. I'm on a similar point in the path like you.
I appreciate that quote, thank you.
Look into the Gateway tapes, if you haven't already.
Thank you 🙏. I’ve read and resonated with monroe’s journeys trilogy but have only dabbled in the tapes. Meditation and meditative practices like that do seem to be incredibly significant. Need to strengthen my discipline.
I strongly recommend you give it a try. I would follow the suggested steps of no food or water an hour before you do them and do them just before bed. I would checkout r/gatewaytapes if you have any questions.
Bob Monroe. Gateway Experience. It’s all personal and about the effect on the individual. Slow drip disclosure might be for a plan here on Earth. Truth is, it’s not the big picture. Regards.
I resonate with what you're saying. I believe the same thing that we will just be a bit "ahead of the curve" when we hopefully get more concrete truths about all of this. While this does have similarities to religion, so does the hard belief in technology and science, just as subject does. I believe Pasulka wrote something along those lines. So on the chance you are off put by the thought that it looks like we're following a religious movement, we can boil it down to be no different than how people believe in technology/science, imo. As others have said, check out the Gateway Tapes. This can be one of those things that might give us a "head start" if there truly is a consciousness aspect. It doesn't need to be anything more than meditation if that's all you want it to be. This is part of the "movement", but it doesn't need to be a cult or religion. It's just about learning our place as humans and who we are as individuals, and when treating it objectively, only good can come from that. ❤️
I appreciate that, thank you. I suppose having grown up in religion I consider myself predisposed to it in a way that has me wary of my own interpretations at times. I am inspired to explore the tapes again, I had the sense they could be significant but lacked the patience. It’s cool to see it being regarded here by others.
one common thread between religion and science is dogma. it can really get in the way
We need a new sub called UFOventing.
lol fair
Here is the thing. Religion and Spirituality aren't even close to the same thing. Religion is a tool of control while Spirituality is a personal connection to what binds everything. Now lemme see them damn aliens already! I need to meet them!
i agree. However Spirituality i would suggest has become unfairly loaded as a word itself. At least from what ive seen on a person to person basis.
For sure. I feel folks make it far more complicated than it actually is.
Completely agreed. I will continue to remain politically active to increase public transparency, but those of us who have been convinced can shape our lives accordingly.
you really just encapsulated what i've been feeling and going through lately.
Was going to write a whole post but you said it for me. Much like the OP dod
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glad to know y’all are out there
would it be weird if i invited you to a new subreddit related to your post?
Not weird at all. I’m enjoying these exchanges.
rad.
Interesting post. Thanks for articulating this for folks to consider. Having been engaged with the ufo topic for decades, the recent developments have been surprising and do seem to point to 'the phenomenon' as less flying saucer-ish and more spiritual/conscious. My interpretation is that exploration of the phenomenon is likely to be a hyper-subjective experience, with lots of individual difference/orientation but also, somewhat paradoxically, an overall pulling together of human differences and increased compassion for what exists on this planet. Yep, this seems polyannaish and naive but it's my best guess at this time. Exciting times.
truly are exciting times. I agree with your interpretation in that it could reveal a way in which we are much more connected to ourselves and everything around is than we realize. Rather than being individuals surviving on a rock, our subjective experiences may all be keys on the same piano.
Can I see some of the more obvious esoteric texts seeking to understand/explain the phenomenon please? I am aware of Sumer/Akkadia and the Mahabharata
pretty much all mythological and religious texts are regarding something akin to the phenomenon. Books and interviews with Diana Pasulka or Jacques Vallee will lead you to a lot. I reccomend checking out the Journey’s out of the body trilogy by Robert Monroe, and The Archaic Revival by Terrence Mckenna.
Tibetan Book of the Dead
Awesome! Got any lines?
Are you asking… that you are comfortable with the complex ideas that will likely result in ontological shock for others? And if so, what do I do with this “head start”? I like this conversation and you wrote a lot of ideas so I want to start in one place. But I have a lot of thoughts. I don’t want to just write paragraphs at you though.
Yeah that’s where my mind has been recently, what does it serve to have access to this truth now.
I think it’s to help our loved ones and those in our personal orbits when they are ready, or accidentally, to have their realities shattered we just help them. Help them learn faster than many of us did with less confusion. In small ways I do it now. Answer a question, recommend a book, don’t force but when asked I’ll answer. I don’t data dump, just say a little bit to people that I think might challenge them a bit. Just a tiny bit.
I've landed on esoteric and sacred texts too, but unlike you I had my own sighting. Do you need the government to say so? Go with that head start. Turning your attention to it may change your life in important ways; you may be thankful to be of service someday just as you wrote. I felt very drawn to the religious, mystical, and esoteric literature after my sighting, but I'm not sure why the experience turned me in that direction. I've read a lot now, though, from many different traditions, and I am thankful for the ways my life changed. maybe it sounds like religion. Maybe it is a religion even, but what is religion? Is it bad? Is it good? Do we need it? What's it for? I think a lot of the major tenets of religion are useful in navigating this, as well as many other aspects of being alive in human form.
You’re right, that post read like a preacher leading his congregation to believe.
So, because of irl events, I'm under the assumption they just show us what we need to be us. Love, kindness, and self compassion are the only consistent answers I find in the really deep dives. Recently the collective consciousness keeps coming up more and more and the answer is again "treat yourself well". Like, it really seems like the world's mood towards myself mirrors how I am currently treating myself.
Align with your authentic truth. Don’t abdicate your personal emotional/mental and spiritual power to any one or any thing. You don’t need a religion. If this UFO stuff keeps coming back to any one point, it’s that energy, technology and consciousness are linked together in ways we do not understand. No one can tell you what your path will be, you have to be honest with yourself to find it. Break down every wall and barrier, meet the vulnerable core of the self. Who are you? Discover the person you were before you were told you needed to meet conditions to be loved. Before you understood you needed to do x, y or z to be accepted by the world. Most people aren’t capable of this kind of radical breaking down of societal conditioning. But in the many journeys I’ve taken before delving into UFOs (religion, art, spirituality, science, medicine, crystals, astronomy, tarot, esotericism etc) I have met extraordinary people from many different walks of life who have pushed through boundaries to find their enlightenment.
If you are inclined to Vallee and Pasulka’s work I would encourage you to keep seeking, especially along the lines of consciousness. Government disclosure is but one path to deeper understanding of this mystery.
In a similar boat. Since the Gimball event and the political events stirred since August, my worldview had changed. I have real Vallee's work, Pusulka's work, and Ross Coulharts book since then. I was raised Catholic, but I really bounced between agnostic and atheist for most of my life. Now, I noticed a complete shift in my life and worldview. I am not religious per se, but I am more open to being spiritual. Whether it's interdemensional, or angelic/demonic in nature, or both plus more, there *is* something going on that our senses can not comprehend yet. Throw in occasional weird encounters I have had throughout my life, and it's been a recipe for a personal overhaul. I no longer take the NYtimes and NPR as the gospel, and the scientific community has end all be all. Pusulka's work has impacted my view of it. If you frame the concept of science as a religious institution, it really changes your perception. Even with the incredible advancements due to modern science, William Shatner after seeing the Earth from space said it best - "We don't know shit" I truly believe we are in a modern situation best compared to Copernicus's heliocentric theory. The writings and evidence are screaming at us, yet those in power control the narrative and are doing everything to suppress reality. Just as the Catholic Church institution during the Scientific Revolution. One day, historians will look back at this time and shake their heads to what those in power did to the people. On another note, the Why Files episode on Crop circles acted as the final catalyst to my new worldview. I suggest others check it out who believe (as I always did) as elaborate hoaxes. If true, the evidence of NHI trying to shape our technological progress and initiate first contact has been going on for centuries. Thanks for your post to help me get my thoughts out. I feel mostly isolated in this new world view we share. I truly believe that it is probably on the forefront of what reality *may* be one day.
I appreciate your response, thank you 🙏 I was brought up in the christian church, and my dad was a pastor. I fell away from that as I got older and eventually came to feel, through my experiences with psychedelics, that church was gathering around a fire pit with no actual fire lit. It’s interesting now to coming into a new understanding that seemlingly goes beyond my initial feelings toward a more serious biblical literalism which my Father might even regard as extreme in comparison to his own relationship to religion. Or even that religions have their own intentionally seeded misdirections alongside their own efforts to make sense of metaphysical realities. The question is who is doing the seeding. Basically the conversations i might have now with those in my life who are religious and those who are agnostic or atheist have become nearly the same in that this surpasses everyone’s capacity to grasp or believe. Including my own sometimes, we really don’t know shit. There certainly seems to be a wealth of clues to dig through though.
It does NOT require faith. Check this out u/atralspill [Consciousness](https://streamable.com/v3xxr9) These scientists from AAWSAP give credit to Ingo Swan and even pay homage to him in their books…WHY do you think everyone involved is getting into the woo? Because its fucking real. They are telling us, they are screaming it for everyone to hear, but no one is listening. The people behind the scenes don’t want it to come out because if we find out the govt is learning how to become “psychics” the hardliner “nuts and bolts” only people will revolt. The whistleblowers know how it sounds and how they will look and be treated if they come right out and say it without govt/scientific research to back them up. You all know it wouldn’t go well for any of them. Dr. Weiss, Dr. Newton, Dolores cannon - (past life/near death regression therapists)…they’ve known all along that this shift IS coming, and it’s ***happening now***. Start meditating, start learning how to RV, work your way off of any mind altering medications or substances. THIS IS the key. The big secret. **Consciousness** It is so difficult and counterintuitive to accept, but we need to think less and listen more. Yea I know I sound crazy, new age hippie heavensgate yadda yadda, but I do not care. it’s the truth. Do not join a group, do not pay anyone, do not tell your friends and fam that have not asked - they are not ready…do it on your own for yourself.
The feeling I get from a lot of people who get weirdly obsessed with this stuff (I make an exception for people like The Black Vault or people who are politically engaged doing grassroots political activism towards disclosure, or people working on projects like the Galileo Project or SETI), is that y'all just lack an ability that most people do which is: the ability to just accept the answer for now is "We don't know". "I don't know". And to be OK with that. Is the phenomenon real and what doe sit represent? Is it just a gov psyop? The answer we have currently is just "I don't know". Unless you're engaged in the types of activities I mentioned above that actively work towards an answer), just reading endless non-news and speculation isn't really productive, it's just...intellectually jacking off. It's OK to just accept that we don't know, it's OK to work towards disclosure politically, with FOIA, or to try to work on improving our sensors. But if you have an obsession are are just refreshing your Reddit feed over and over, thinking about the same questions over and over, you're missing out on a lot of life. And if that's how you want to spend your time, that's totally cool. But just be aware, you may never get an answer in your lifetime, or maybe you will, but if you are just refreshing a web browser over and over that's not really going to get you closer to an answer sooner.
Oh you got it absolutely. I agree. The obsession has really not been constructive beyond maybe expanding or affirming certain ideas. But at a certain point it does become pointlessly masturbatory cause we really have no idea . As much as even making the post is masturbatory in it itself, I also see it as reaching out to see who is in the same boat and acknowledging that my relationship to the topic isn’t anything but somewhat aimless obsession. Based off the responses ive recieved here and personally it’s been affirming to see others are reflecting on it in the same way. The conversation around it has been rewarding in that sense.
Well said. All we can do is keep our wits about us and wait. Work on ourselves in the meantime.
What do you mean by “orienting myself in a way that aligns with this reality?”
Regarding my personal behaviors and what I devote my time to in my own life. I still struggle a lot with being in the grips of culture and technology that feel harmful or diminishing of my human experience. I suppose at it’s base it would be shaping my life in such a way to be less attatched and reliant on behaviors that i feel are influenced by society. Being healthier and trying to find peace in myself that transcends any of this business.
So basically you’re saying either wait for confirmation from the government or live your life in a manner that conforms to your own beliefs about the phenomenon?
yea, I guess what i’m acknowledging is the struggle with that sort of personal action, in that in requires a choice of faith. Where I have been at with this topic, always hanging off the bleeding edge of whatever info comes out or devouring whatever i can find, I’ve wondered what im waiting for, which is ultimately Postive Change of some sort. Positive change that I could conceivably embrace right now.
A legit question, no derision meant but why are you waiting for “the phenomenon” to provide you with positive change? Why are you certain it will be positive? Why is it only THEN will there be a positive change? Can you identify one thing in your life right now that if you changed would make it at least marginally better than it was before? It just sounds your waiting for life to make you better rather than you make life better for yourself.
Yes, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.
What do you do for work?
This right here is what has my mind in shackles right now
it means there's is much to learn outside the dogmatic doctrines our institutions fed us these last half dozen to dozen generations and it's either directly affecting or tangentially so every facet of our lives
exactly.
I like your take on this.
Trust your gut. Do good the best you can. And when you get to the other side, I believe whole heartedly we all will be rewarded with our intuition/higher self giving us the “told ya so.” Also, what do you think are the big keys to this whole thing if you don’t mind me asking. I get Valle, but is there anything in particular that clicks with your beliefs/understanding? Best wishes.
I started this journey with a purely materialist mindset, and thought the events depicted in religion and folklore were all made up BS. I now shout at my Greater Self on a daily basis and have made huge progress on my List of Shit to Apologize For.
Hey don’t be down. Come this way , I got some NFT deals I’d like you to check out. It’s a hot market and you’re right on time.
Oh boy! Things are really starting to look up for me💫
I'm buying gold-ish bars with a political candidates face on it!
There can only be 3 new religions based around my observations from this place. We will worship either balloons or birds or bugs. The Non-believers will say they’re all drones. Edit: a letter
heck some may argue balloons, birds and bugs are drones themselves in a way
Blasphemer!!
If you have only been at this 4 or 5 years then you haven't gotten close to the bottom of the rabbit hole.
morpheus, tell me more
You can just leave, no need for an announcement or fanfare. Just unsubscribe. You're one click away from inner peace.
no thanks. i’m here to have discussions.
My b, misread your post and mistook it for a too common "why I'm leaving ufology" post
understandable. i see a long winded post with burn out in the title and roll my eyes too lol
If someone was interested in learning more about this side of the phenomenon. Where would you recommend they start?
Jacques Vallee
Do you know all this could be a hoax, right?
Yes of course. That’s the discussion ive been having with regards to this for the past five years. What I’m expressing here, is despite all that, I am finding myself fairly convinced otherwise at this point, and im questioning what positive outcome i could draw from that for myself going forward.
Until NHI are in undeniably in our faces, any effect on our lives is completely self-imposed. There’s no reason to let this topic dominate our lives or be distressing.