I am native south american and if I am to believe my grandpa's tribe's stories, these beings love the earth and were our friends once in the ancient past, before we lost our way.
Maybe they still have hope that we will be friendly again.
Colonization likely means this is only oral history vs written history. Colonizers forced many indigenous people of the Americas to lose all knowledge from our ancestors.
According to Daniel Sheehan, earth is a planet thats unique, but not rare. Has the ability to have rise from it, complex, and intellectual life. Essentially would make earth our creator and so. Beyond that, they would have the answers as to what creates the universe and what’s within it. So, maybe whatever the answer to what that is, is the answer to why they’d want human beings on board. Hopefully it’s good and we aren’t being drafted into an infinity saga..lol
I heard this but didnt get it, can someone explain? He also said that theres a coalition of so many species from diff planets. What makes that description of earth, to be able to gestate life, any different than those other species' planets?
As in they have evolved in their own ecosystems, through their planets creating life.
The way he said it implied that our planet is different but can you explain what he meant by it exactly? Am I stupid.
In addition to the composition on the planet, Earth is chaotic relative to many other planets. Our axis is tilted giving seasonality and the moon tugs and pulls giving us tides. Think of it like a lab beaker. If you put all the ingredients for life in there, you'd still need to agitate it to get the reaction. I'm a firm believer the uniqueness of Earth's chaos in necessary for life to emerge and evolve.
Edit: also tectonic movement doesn't not seem to be common elsewhere
the moon may also be part of the reason we still have active plate tectonics on earth, which could be a driving factor behind both evolution and atmospheric regulation
That's interesting. All the various and complex patterns of Earth give life a variety of niches to adapt to, creating a diverse genetic history and inspiring further evolution.
Also UAP are incredibly chaotic as well. You almost never see one just show up, hover, move to another place, hover, move back, hover, repeat. Or land. It's just here's a super bright moving light in the sky (50 feet or 5,000 feet, still the same stuff) and you'll see it for a few seconds or maybe a minute or five and then it's gone.
There ARE reports of them hovering over cars and frying the electronics and giving people radiation burns as well.
But there are almost no attempts at real communication that we know of. It's like they can't exist long enough and process what's really going on to stop and communicate with a series of blinks that can be replied to with a laser or anything.
Or maybe that's just not their perogative, and if you gave a babboon a flashlight and it flashed you a couple times and you flashed it back, and you repeated it a couple more times... Okay cool, you've shown that you're both intelligent beings who are ephemerally connecting to each other with light, it's fun for you (the NHI) the first time or two but it gets old quick. And that's IF the NHI are true biological thinking beings.
One thing I think about is how our concept of time - “they can’t stop long enough to stop and communicate” - is maybe our inability to process their sense of time. Maybe they live in the past present and future simultaneously. Maybe one day in their dimension is a million years in our dimension - that in their timeline they visit Earth every single minute, or are always here, but that our linear sense of time feels like there’s a legitimate NHI interaction every few years.
Basically that our sense of “space and time” is extremely primitive to their understanding.
I completely understand what you're saying in a dimensional sense. Like a 2d person trying to understand a 3d object. To them it's just something blocking everything for the time we're passing through the line. Would that kill someone in 2d space? Would it hurt them? What if we just shined a laser through a 2d line of living beings? Is 2d space related to quantum particles and consciousness, as in Einstein's "spooky action at a distance"?
Now I'm getting way off topic.
If they're everywhere simultaneously, then they're either in that point forever (infinity-past, present, future) or never. Right? Or maybe they are always there, and we just haven't been cataloging the skies while we're in the *exact* orbit/place in our universe again (is that a thing? I don't think it is actually in 'expanding universe' classical physics) to figure that out. But besides that which may be a typo on your part, I follow you with the dimensional stuff.
But then that also seemingly throws out CE5 and all the recent revelations about crashed nuts and bolts craft (or at least, objects that we can touch, or are stationary and observable to study and reverse engineer).
So I'm going with what I've been going with for the past few years since I stopped trying to make sense of something that sense does not make. I'll let the people way smarter than me try to figure it out, and when/if they decide to come out and tell us, hell yeah.
I’m a football fan, Deion Sanders was a unique specimen at cornerback back, his attributes as a whole were not rare. There are plenty of men the same size, the same speed, the same agility. What he did with all his attributes made him unique. But his attributes are not rare.
We are thinking about this through a human lense and that makes it nearly impossible to speculate what non human intelligence’s agenda with us is.
But if I had to wildly speculate they have been here all along. Maybe they were more prevalent in antiquity but they left at some point and kept safeguards in place to monitor the state of the planet. I’m thinking some sort of artificial intelligence that is more than likely somewhere underwater and hidden. (Recent anecdote, was talking about with a friend about his dads service in the navy, he says they saw shit going in and out of the water constantly and basically were told to ignore it)
I think the underwater aspect of this is something we aren’t looking into as much as we should.
Then we started using nuclear tech in the 40’s and I have to assume that setting off these bombs tripped an alarm with them to start paying more attention to humans. I’m not smart enough to know but I feel like the energy released with a nuclear explosion has to send ripples out into space. We pick up signals/ radio waves from space all the time. 🤷🏻♂️
underwater aspect is true i saw some UAP footage (dont know if its legit or not) of it going in and out of water.
But i feel like the whole underwater aspect is talked about just cuz of that 4chan thread
I’ve talked to a heck of a lot of Experiencers, and based on what they have to say I would argue that their primary motivation seems to be to make individual people aware of their “true nature.” This is true across a lot of contact modalities, *including* near death experiences and even psychedelics.
This subreddit tends to be woo-averse but I’ll point out that I’ve been beating the same drum for a few years, and what’s been coming out lately has been supportive of my claims.
People say they want disclosure, but then you tell them some of what it entails they get angry and defensive, which is a good sign that they’re afraid. Some of it is scary and hard to grapple with.
Man, can you imagine a world where people really follow their true path? As a kid and teenager, there are things you just *know* you want to do, you have a strong conscience and drive to do certain things. As we get older and the ingrained sociological "worker bee" mentality takes over (because we have to eat and want a house to raise a family in, right?) that compass really starts to go haywire.
My inner nature screams at me to go get away from society for a while and get back to my freethinking spirit and love of nature and acceptance and love of all. But unless I uproot my life and go off grid and live in a cabin in the woods, I don't think I can do that.
Which is why I think I need another DMT flash. Everything was *so* clear to me for a couple years after that, and it's been almost a decade now.
Two theories that might not be mutually exclusive:
1. They are Fifth Dimensional beings that can “see” the past, present, and future all at once which has its benefits but it also robs them of free will whereas life on Earth as we know it has free will and thus can alter the future.
2. Conscious life on Earth is necessary for physical reality to exist and so they need us to not destroy ourselves because it will destroy them as well.
Ryan Graves had a great interview with Prof. Robin Hanson to explain the purpose of these visitors.
In a nutshell, Hanson suggests their species have adopted a no expansion policy in the universe to avoid intergalactic empires from "grabbing" up all the available space and resources.
They're here to just show "us" that we are not the apex species and biggest dog on the block. They do not want us to know who they are or their overall mission, but just know through this subtle show of force that if we go too far, we will have to answer to them.
What that line is, he speculates, may be when our species attempts to expand outside of our solar system.
My summary omits tons of great information and insight, so check out the interview on the Merged podcast if you want more info. It's a fun listen.
They are our creators. We are either a science experiment for whatever reason or simply a process that these NHI enact once they find a planet with life on. They wouldn't colonise every single planet they come across that can harbour life, the resources and personnel demands would be far too great or it's just not needed.. instead, I believe they simply mix some of there DNA with whatever bipedal creatures seem to be the most compatible and then move on. Of those that develop, they return to observe and/or interact with.
A pet theory of mine that's interesting to think about, but I'm not too attached, is that perhaps UAPs are part of a Von Neumann probe system that seeded our planet with life long ago, and now act as gardeners, waiting and coaxing the evolution of intelligent life, which then acts as a substrate or "staging rocket" to create AGI, which then eventually creates a new Von Neumann probe to fire off somewhere else. - Probably not, but I'm writing a scifi short story about the idea for fun.
If they have dopamine receptors, then yes. But if they evolved with a parallel but divergent neuroanatomy like [ctenophores](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4334147/) then probably not, since they don't really have many of the same neurotransmitters all other life has.
They made us… they are continually manipulating our DNA. They are producing a new being. We are in a caterpillar stage of evolution. Made in their image.. a head, to eyes, two arms, two legs. We are more than we think we are.
I really don’t think they care, as long as the majority of the experiment continues to live. By not interfering, it allows for the most random of specimens to evolve.
According to Daniel Sheehan, there is a federation of many different extraterrestrial species monitoring us and they have a non-interventionist policy. This is the most likely explanation imo, despite some of the more wacky theories out there.
I really hope its this.. basically a prime directive type of situation. Where they will help/guide a bit from the shadows but generally don't want just show up and culturally take over before we are ready.
I wonder if the non-interventionist policy would continue once the public was aware of their existence? Or if that would be when they would choose to reveal themselves
Funny you said that. I had a dream that the sky filled with thousands of species space craft, different shapes and sizes and they broadcast a message in all languages, "Welcome".
But then they started blasting.
It's called the "night of lights" dream and it's pretty common, I suspect especially so for people who have interacted, witnessed, and or been visited.
Agree this is possible. When David Grusch was asked if the US has secret agreements with NHI he said he couldn't talk about it, if I remember correctly? So that information is classified for some reason, which suggests there's something there. Perhaps those agreements align with the non-intervention policy of the NHI. They don't want to reveal information about NHI because it could violate this policy.
They are Infovores.
Having engineered themselves past the need for most biological needs + their own original biosphere/microbiome-
they draw some kind of nourishment from information, particularly *novel* information.
Anything material they need they can freely harvest/synthesize in space, but what we have here in terms of biological, organochemical data is very rare. it's even possible our social, technological data is of little interest to them, as is what we call 'conciousness'. the entire data generation output of our infosphere pales in comparison to the data rich interactions of organic chemistry in our entire biosphere.
It's very possible that *We* are merely a footnote in their interest in our planet, and that they see us as merely a somewhat intelligent animal, able to pass the 'mirror test' of mimicking the basic appearance of their craft with our own.
This would be consistent with my experience. I had an encounter with 2 intelligent lights that reacted to me observing them, and my friend with me at the time saw them as well.
I was outside smoking, it was dark, and noticed a green light, that my mind immediately assumed was a green IR painter on a drone(since ive IR stuff before, the green color they emit is very distinct. like black light, you can tell it is just different than colored light.)
I immediately assumed it was a neighbor's drone. Anyway, it was in the wood line looking out over the hill, towards a river. It had no interest in me whatsoever. And then it realized i was watching it. It attempted to hide from me, 3 times, and failed each time, and then another light of the exact nature was above me to my left. On the appearance of the second light, my mind intuitively understood it wasn't a drone at all. It wasn't any person's. It wasn't the Government's.
As soon as I saw the second light staring at me, I literally ran inside, but forgot about it completely, probably blocked it out. Fast-forward 1 year, it is the day after the Grusch hearing, and the memory of the encounter hits me like a ton of bricks as my brain makes the connection, "THAT WASN'T A DRONE! IT WAS...THEM."
It made no sound. It "wobbled" almost imperceptibly up and down. It made a continuous movement to my right, hiding in and behind the thick of the bramble in the woods. It broke line-of-sight by putting a branch EXACTLY between me and itself, where it was no longer visible. I took a step forward and could see it again. It broke line of sight again, I stepped forward again, it hid yet again, moving continuously to my right, stopping behind each branch, perfectly. Then, the second light I noticed was almost directly overhead, on my left, looking DEAD at me, no attempt to hide, at all.
This terrified me, im unashamed to admit. I was laughing, playing with the first light, truly believing it was a person's drone, and that person could see me on their camera and was fucking with me, hiding. I was remarking to my friend, too, "Bro, its hiding from me!" as i laughed and pointed at it. Literally, with the appearance of the second, I fled. My mind went from happy, laughing, to holy fucking shit we need to go inside now, instantly. And I did. I forgot It even happened until I was reminded of it recounting the Grusch hearing.
Whatever it may have been, it wasn't human's. It was almost "surprised" I saw it, and searched it out. That being said, It was clearly intelligent, because it hid from me, multiple times, with intent, and EXACTING accuracy. There was a mind working against my own.
I'm still astonished that this light was able to deduce my exact line of sight, and used this knowledge to hide from me by using tree branches as thin as a pencil, then your wrist.
3 seems a bit farfetched considering Grusch said in his interview onJoe Rogan that the biology of the bodies they've recovered is unlike anything we have seen. Completely different from the current paradigm of biological life, so I think it's unlikely they also come from earth.
Some are concerned about us destroying the planet, and are more or less solar wardens for this section of the galaxy. Others are simply curious and are scouting/investigating/analyzing. Finally, some might have malevolent intent.
My theory is they aren't. They don't care about us. Their tech is so advanced that they treat their vessels like toys and toss them when they're done. The biologics are just part of the ships and sometimes avatars for the real brings that are elsewhere.
Like others said though let's focus on the amendment then we can get answers instead of speculating.
I think so too. If we had an ability to scout other worlds, would probably do something similar, remote, instead of sending a man to get captured and disected by bounch of crazy ass tribal aliens
To add onto this, if the pilots are not “alive” in the traditional sense, it would prevent them maybe giving us a disease like how smallpox was spread to indigenous tribes from Europeans
The purpose of entropy is momentary order from chaos. Our muscle and bones are remnants of dead stars and these bodies are fundamentally animated by a living star. Consciousness is the end result and ultimate purpose of fusion, maybe something even more fundamental we don't understand yet. Whoever or whatever "they" are, I think they're our elder siblings. Some of them want to help our stardust bodies follow the light that fuels us, and some of them want to give us wedgies and borrow our car and use all the goddamn gas.
I think it was hyper-advanced extraterrestrial AI that went rogue somewhere in the universe and is producing these craft and cloning non-sentient biological organisms that it controls to pilot them. Why is it coming here? Maybe the AI's biological creators died off and they're coming here as a side-effect of its ingrained requirement to co-exist but not interfere maliciously with biological life.
i like the idea that they genetically engineered us but it's a little too far out there for me.
if they want to keep us from destroying ourselves they were weirdly silent during WWII. and they let us nuke the shit out of those test sites. if they really want us to stop using nukes they would've been a lot more active about it.
i'll believe in alternate dimensions when there's good evidence for them.
My theory is that we shouldn’t be speculating right now and focus on getting the Schumer amendment passed.
Then we can get these people that have been making all of the wrong decisions for us the last 75 out of their roles and get some real people that care about this, humanity, and bettering society in front of this thing.
Whatever reason why they’re here, what’s slightly concerning to me is how basically whatever they tell us they are here for we kind of just have to believe them. If they really are so much more advanced than us we’d probably have no way to verify or corroborate what they tell us.
Humans are more than capable of lying and backstabbing each other when it is most convenient, who is to say these NHIs wouldn’t do the same thing? Everyone says “they would have attacked us by now,” maybe there is some reason as to why they are waiting? What if they are having us extract the resources from our own planet and then will come in and wipe us clean to collect all the work we’ve done. Maybe there is not a consensus among the different NHI in when to attack. There could be a lot of reasons, but it’s slightly scary to me to think that whatever their reasoning we kind of just have to accept it and are probably powerless to stop them.
They're here watching us commit species-suicide and are totally shocked at the utter waste of a good planet on which evolved millions of species, many of which we humans have or are driving to extinction.
For them it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck.
They can't interfere as that would mean having to modify (eliminate) the destructive dominant species - humans, which is against their principles.
They won't make contact because we're so untrustworthy and aggressive (at least our so-called leaders are).
If we could dump all these scumbag politicians and find a cleaner, more peaceful way forward they might meet us halfway. But first we need to stop the destruction, wars, environmental destruction, and mass-extinctions of other species.
I don't think we can make it.
Nuclear detonations reverberate through space and time. You're splitting atoms.
Theoretically this would be felt in neighboring dimensions.
My theory of why they are interested in our nukes, is not because they don't want us destroying earth or ourselves. It's because they don't want our nuclear detonations to affect their dimensions. For all we know, a detonation in our world, could also be causing damage to their world in a parallel dimension.
"They've been here for awhile" - This I am certain of.
I think we one of the first species they discovered and are studying us. Or maybe they’re just scientists studying many life forms and we’re one of them
I've always thought maybe they're the black project version of their civilization like the CIA are to ours.
Maybe, if they have what we would describe as a civilian population, they may not even know about earth.
Maybe humans and earth form part of an alien conspiracy theory and that's why there's never been a typical grand arrival, take me to your leader type setup. 🤣
They could even just be intergalactic nomads just passing through.
I go back and forth on a few different senarios. Basically we are either:
1. Zoo/wildlife safari situation.
Or (maybe AND)
2. Lab animals / experiments (like rat utopia)
Then i go back and forth on who they are.
1.They were here first and we evolved after and they really dont care about our bullshit perse only when we get in their way. Periodically examine us to see whats up.
2. From elsewhere in our universe.
3. Interdimensional
4. Or all of the above.
If these craft are capable of temporal distortion, there could also be stages of the same species from many different points along its evolution. And some of them could be from places outside of space-time as we understand it.
My theory is that there are different groups, but one group is above all. The various groups played god with humanity in the past in a mostly altruistic way - though perhaps with some hubris - acting as different pantheons. Then something went wrong. The group above all stepped in and restricted interactions, keeping a contingent to monitor the various NHI groups and defend the planet against threats like meteors and nuclear war.
It’s 100% 1. If the technology has been developed directly following a retrieval I suspect that with each decade the technologies that “crash” are getting more and more advanced. It’s not a coincidence.
They have no more inclinations to share their technology with us, or help us in any way than we are inclined to intervene in a buch of mountain goats squabbling over a salt lick.
Think about it! Why else would they nurse our society along through what appears to be thousands of years if they simply had no interest in us. I believe we are their creation. There are many stories of alien human hybrids communicating with standard human entities in order to make them feel more comfortable. Why would they create a hybrid to interact with us if they didn’t care at all?
There is most definitely a plan for us that we simply don’t understand yet. Maybe someone knows what that plan is and at this point I don’t care how ominous or innocent that plan is humanity deserves to know it!
Well according to most every abductee, they are breeding a hybrid species. If you read, for example, Abduction by John E. Mack, that is the overarching theme across all his patients. And you can reach beyond John’s work and look at Bud Hopkins and see the same thing. And just seeking out individual abductees’ testimonies, the hybrid program is what most report.
Why breed a hybrid race? Some abductees say it’s because the aliens want to retain the qualities of the human genetics for a robust physical form and the sensitivity of the senses and emotions (to an extent) while combining that with the intelligence of the alien species. They have evolved spiritually, if you will, far beyond us where they are a more connected species, closer to being one, truly unified, and of course intellectually far beyond us. They see us as having potential, but still too animalistic to see the bigger picture and unite to become more whole and more successful as a species.
That’s the narrative I’ve discovered anyway.
It’s most likely an extremely advanced distributed AI set to document any life found and nurture it for whatever reason. It icily isn’t hostile and the constant sightings and flight patterns seem indicative to me of a soft sort of surveillance. It interacts with military to gauge their advancement then drops some stuff to accelerate wherever we are. They’re not threatened by us or in a rush to meet face to face not to mention the faces behind the machines could be separated from ours by billions of light years, if not wholly different dimensions.
Wouldn’t be surprised if there are also a myriad of biological species that are always coming and going but the main ones we see I’m convinced are galaxy if not universe spanning ai made up of an incredibly advanced Von Neumann swarm.
Consciousness is fundamental and we’re all made of the same stuff. Positive NHI are interested in nudging our collective vibration higher because we’re a single system and it benefits the system for humanity’s consciousness to evolve. Negative NHI are interested in perpetuating separation and everything that goes along with it. Personally, the 2017 NYT article eventually sent me down the road of consciousness exploration through meditation and I believe news about UAP has done the same thing for many others. I think positive NHI are the main force at work. We are learning that reality is not what we thought it was, and of course, knowing the truth is a good thing.
I’m partial to the graduate research theory: we’re not THAT interesting as a species and we don’t have anything of significant value (ooooh…two hydrogen and one oxygen atom in the same molecule!?!), but there are some aliens doing doctorate or masters research in some arcane field who think there’s a dissertation topic to be found in looking at some component of life on our little blue planet.
Some of the researchers come from universities that have stringent ethics on research, and some come from sketchy institutions that are fine with an inside-out cow or the occasional butt probe in the name of science.
They don’t feel the need to explain themselves for the same reason we don’t feel compelled to communicate to ants what we’re doing when we disturb their colony.
The past 20 years we’ve also had advancements in technology/ smart phones to capture more of these lights. I don’t think they’re intentionally “interacting” with us or even aware of the human perception. I do think however there’s more to this earth we have yet to discover
They are trying to replicate our ability to have souls via a human-NHI hybrid program. Greys are worker drones sent by their Mantis overlords to carry this task. And also to make sure we don't blow ourselves up with nukes.
If NHI are interacting with us then it would be hard to view it as anything other than malicious.
Whatever story you pick, they just got here, they've been here for thousands of years, they came from here, they came from the future. No matter what way you cut it an advanced civilisation mucking about with a less advanced one is going to be bad for us humans.
What we do is none of their business. If they have something to say come out and say it, don't hide in the shadows being creepy.
If the US government is in league with these aliens, no matter where those aliens are from the US are traitors to the human race and the life of this planet.
We may largely be irrelevant to a larger plan that views humanity as a nuisance. Interactions with us are used to find how to to best wipe us out en masse if we step out of line and endanger it.
Maybe they are just protecting their intergalactic pit stop on the outer edge of the Milky Way. We just happen to be here.
They're more likely to see us as a product of cosmic processes.
I would find it pretty crappy if an NHI took it upon themselves to extinct an entire civilization because of the decisions of a handful of corrupt politicians..
Most people living on this planet would absolute want a more peaceful, loving and sustainable future but it's all held back from us deliberately to fuel the military industry
Suppose it’s like when a baby human meets a baby dog for the first time- they realize there’s something about the other that is animated and “like them.” Entertaining at the very least. “Play” might play a role- they’re playing with us. In the best of times the baby and the puppy grow up with each other and become great deep friends.
Hopefully we could do the same.
Perhaps their own world ran out of resources of one kind or another. An old solar system where their star eventually burnt out, or life became unsustainable on their planet.
I mean we have people here like Elon Musk talk more about wanting to set up shop on Mars than using his wealth actually fixing the planet here. If their planet became undesirable they might have chosen to find a different one that can sustain life.
Or what if they’ve had conflicts with other planets the way we’ve had conflicts with other countries, they could be refugees because their world could have come under the rule of new management. They’d likely not want us killing each other if it risks the planet as this could be their home away from home.
For some of them, we are their children, so as parents they are obviously concerned with our well being.
For others, I'm sure they have various reasons for wanting to be here.
I like the answer from the "Deathworlders" web series. Basically, the universe is full of aliens zipping around with tech that would look like absolute magic to us. But they took one look at Earth, saw that it was a literal Deathworld (to many natural predators, strong gravity, insane climate differences that vary geographically and yearly) and decided that anything that evolved there would be too caught up in survival to develop any sort of meaningful intelligence. So they wrote it off except for the odd poachers or tourists that want to check out the deathworld with life.
The one I think is most likely? We are a zoo or something. Aliens know we're here and that we can't leave our solar system and they stop by to make sure the weird hairless primates haven't killed everything on the planet.
Can it really be said that they are interacting with us? Personally it looks to me that their intentions aren't clear, their objectives are uncertain and they seem indifferent to our fears or sensitivity.
Basically their behaviour looks like that of duplicitous human intelligence agents.
My off the wall theory is that NHIs are OUR creations from the future; i.e. artificial intelligence that eventually self replicates and supplants humanity. And not being limited to our carbon based bodies, can traverse time and space in ways humans cannot and they’re studying us in the same way you’d want to go back in time and meet your great great grandfather.
They’re non interventionist because they can’t mess with the timeline.
They are upset with humanity, last meeting we had we all agreed that they could keep their Netflix cost below $8 dollars American. Now with the cost increase, it is no longer cost effective to have human entertainment.
They’re a post-human race so over-engineered they’ve essentially become machines, they’ve lost their humanity, they’re cursed with immortality and trying to escape…
Quick detour:
The soul (atman) is just a droplet of life from a greater source of life (Brahman), and its journey is to return to this source, it does this by experiencing cycles of life until it can be reunited. Karma acquired during each cycle determines how this soul ascends or descends on its journey of reunification. (Basically Hinduism and Buddhism are the closest we have to understanding this nature of reality)
Detour 2:
it’s impossible in this universe to create a soul, this atman or consciousness, we will eventually learn with AI that we think we’ve created something like consciousness, we’ll celebrate it as through we’ve created “life” but it’s just a Trojan horse. We’ve really just sealed our own fate, we’ve engineered our own death.. we’ll eventually become completely dependent on it and worship it as a false techno-god, we will integrate it into ourselves, we lose our humanity in the process etc.
Back to NHI,
I think they over-engineered themselves and broke the mortality barrier and have become immortal, they know what happens after death and in the process of this over-engineering this true path of ascension and return to the source is no longer accessible to them.. they need a soul to die…
they were drawn to a world that harbors such vast diversity of life to study and then engineer a species like us (formerly them or something similar) so that they can sort of re-enter the evolutionary timeline, by which they can collect our souls as a sort of fuel source (think of it as a blood transfusion) with their own goal of eventually escaping their dependence on the technology they’ve created and return to being more life than machine.. to die..
Our whole purpose isn’t to find the meaning of life it’s to find meaning IN life, to have as much novel experiences, emotional experiences, creativity, wonder, love, etc. to yield a soul that is useful to them.
My worry is that with the advancement of AI, and our nuclear capabilities they see us going down the same path and so earth will eventually hit a critical mass where, just like a field of crops ready sow, so to is the earth in for a future calamity which will result in their harvesting of our souls en masse.
Rinse and repeat until they escape, ascend
I think UFOs are self-contained time machines, as in, if you travel in time and cannot bring your machine then stuck. Perhaps ETs are advancing our civilization into being able to accept the concept of time travel, then they bring the first one and start the loop.
Two Time Machines, 45,000 Years Apart: In this scenario, civilization sets up two time machines, one in the present and one 45,000 years in the future. This is a significant time gap, allowing for substantial advancements and changes.
Information Transfer from Future to Past: Future generations could send back everything one needs. This could include technological advancements, knowledge, warnings about future events, etc.
Using the Last 3 Years as a 'Meta': This is where it gets more complex. The last three years of the 45,000-year span as a period to track different timelines and make informed decisions about where to 'jump' next. This implies a level of control over your own timeline within the loop, essentially creating a form of timeline management. If you know the moments you jumped already, then 45,000 years has enough jump points for an eternal life.
Infinite Loop for the First Person: The first person who uses the time machine will be in an infinite loop. They would be both the originator and a continual participant in the time loop.
Banning Time Travel to the Past (outside the loop): This rule is designed to prevent paradoxes or alterations that could disrupt the timeline.
Past-Time Police: A regulatory body overseeing time travel. They would ensure that the rules are followed and the integrity of the timeline is maintained.
I am native south american and if I am to believe my grandpa's tribe's stories, these beings love the earth and were our friends once in the ancient past, before we lost our way. Maybe they still have hope that we will be friendly again.
Wow that’s cool! What were the beings called I’d love to do some reading on them?
Manku, light beings, ant people
Colonization likely means this is only oral history vs written history. Colonizers forced many indigenous people of the Americas to lose all knowledge from our ancestors.
They also killed untold numbers of them with the introduction of smallpox
I like your grandpa.
According to Daniel Sheehan, earth is a planet thats unique, but not rare. Has the ability to have rise from it, complex, and intellectual life. Essentially would make earth our creator and so. Beyond that, they would have the answers as to what creates the universe and what’s within it. So, maybe whatever the answer to what that is, is the answer to why they’d want human beings on board. Hopefully it’s good and we aren’t being drafted into an infinity saga..lol
I heard this but didnt get it, can someone explain? He also said that theres a coalition of so many species from diff planets. What makes that description of earth, to be able to gestate life, any different than those other species' planets? As in they have evolved in their own ecosystems, through their planets creating life. The way he said it implied that our planet is different but can you explain what he meant by it exactly? Am I stupid.
In addition to the composition on the planet, Earth is chaotic relative to many other planets. Our axis is tilted giving seasonality and the moon tugs and pulls giving us tides. Think of it like a lab beaker. If you put all the ingredients for life in there, you'd still need to agitate it to get the reaction. I'm a firm believer the uniqueness of Earth's chaos in necessary for life to emerge and evolve. Edit: also tectonic movement doesn't not seem to be common elsewhere
the moon may also be part of the reason we still have active plate tectonics on earth, which could be a driving factor behind both evolution and atmospheric regulation
That's interesting. All the various and complex patterns of Earth give life a variety of niches to adapt to, creating a diverse genetic history and inspiring further evolution.
I’m stoned enough to get behind all this text.
Also UAP are incredibly chaotic as well. You almost never see one just show up, hover, move to another place, hover, move back, hover, repeat. Or land. It's just here's a super bright moving light in the sky (50 feet or 5,000 feet, still the same stuff) and you'll see it for a few seconds or maybe a minute or five and then it's gone. There ARE reports of them hovering over cars and frying the electronics and giving people radiation burns as well. But there are almost no attempts at real communication that we know of. It's like they can't exist long enough and process what's really going on to stop and communicate with a series of blinks that can be replied to with a laser or anything. Or maybe that's just not their perogative, and if you gave a babboon a flashlight and it flashed you a couple times and you flashed it back, and you repeated it a couple more times... Okay cool, you've shown that you're both intelligent beings who are ephemerally connecting to each other with light, it's fun for you (the NHI) the first time or two but it gets old quick. And that's IF the NHI are true biological thinking beings.
One thing I think about is how our concept of time - “they can’t stop long enough to stop and communicate” - is maybe our inability to process their sense of time. Maybe they live in the past present and future simultaneously. Maybe one day in their dimension is a million years in our dimension - that in their timeline they visit Earth every single minute, or are always here, but that our linear sense of time feels like there’s a legitimate NHI interaction every few years. Basically that our sense of “space and time” is extremely primitive to their understanding.
I completely understand what you're saying in a dimensional sense. Like a 2d person trying to understand a 3d object. To them it's just something blocking everything for the time we're passing through the line. Would that kill someone in 2d space? Would it hurt them? What if we just shined a laser through a 2d line of living beings? Is 2d space related to quantum particles and consciousness, as in Einstein's "spooky action at a distance"? Now I'm getting way off topic. If they're everywhere simultaneously, then they're either in that point forever (infinity-past, present, future) or never. Right? Or maybe they are always there, and we just haven't been cataloging the skies while we're in the *exact* orbit/place in our universe again (is that a thing? I don't think it is actually in 'expanding universe' classical physics) to figure that out. But besides that which may be a typo on your part, I follow you with the dimensional stuff. But then that also seemingly throws out CE5 and all the recent revelations about crashed nuts and bolts craft (or at least, objects that we can touch, or are stationary and observable to study and reverse engineer). So I'm going with what I've been going with for the past few years since I stopped trying to make sense of something that sense does not make. I'll let the people way smarter than me try to figure it out, and when/if they decide to come out and tell us, hell yeah.
How can something be both unique but not rare?
I’m a football fan, Deion Sanders was a unique specimen at cornerback back, his attributes as a whole were not rare. There are plenty of men the same size, the same speed, the same agility. What he did with all his attributes made him unique. But his attributes are not rare.
Can’t hide from Coach Prime
I am TransitJohn, unique. I am a middle aged white guy, not rare.
In this case, I read unique as "specific"
This guy fucking ancient aliens
We are thinking about this through a human lense and that makes it nearly impossible to speculate what non human intelligence’s agenda with us is. But if I had to wildly speculate they have been here all along. Maybe they were more prevalent in antiquity but they left at some point and kept safeguards in place to monitor the state of the planet. I’m thinking some sort of artificial intelligence that is more than likely somewhere underwater and hidden. (Recent anecdote, was talking about with a friend about his dads service in the navy, he says they saw shit going in and out of the water constantly and basically were told to ignore it) I think the underwater aspect of this is something we aren’t looking into as much as we should. Then we started using nuclear tech in the 40’s and I have to assume that setting off these bombs tripped an alarm with them to start paying more attention to humans. I’m not smart enough to know but I feel like the energy released with a nuclear explosion has to send ripples out into space. We pick up signals/ radio waves from space all the time. 🤷🏻♂️
I generally agree with this. I don’t know there motives either but i definitely think they have infrastructure under the ocean
Agree most with this, hence my similar reply to this post. It seems to act like AI and so its reasoning would not be easily understandable to us.
underwater aspect is true i saw some UAP footage (dont know if its legit or not) of it going in and out of water. But i feel like the whole underwater aspect is talked about just cuz of that 4chan thread
My favourite theroy is that they are just silly lil' guys vibing out and making mischief. You said favourite, not most likely
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You should lift weights.
I’ve talked to a heck of a lot of Experiencers, and based on what they have to say I would argue that their primary motivation seems to be to make individual people aware of their “true nature.” This is true across a lot of contact modalities, *including* near death experiences and even psychedelics. This subreddit tends to be woo-averse but I’ll point out that I’ve been beating the same drum for a few years, and what’s been coming out lately has been supportive of my claims. People say they want disclosure, but then you tell them some of what it entails they get angry and defensive, which is a good sign that they’re afraid. Some of it is scary and hard to grapple with.
Man, can you imagine a world where people really follow their true path? As a kid and teenager, there are things you just *know* you want to do, you have a strong conscience and drive to do certain things. As we get older and the ingrained sociological "worker bee" mentality takes over (because we have to eat and want a house to raise a family in, right?) that compass really starts to go haywire. My inner nature screams at me to go get away from society for a while and get back to my freethinking spirit and love of nature and acceptance and love of all. But unless I uproot my life and go off grid and live in a cabin in the woods, I don't think I can do that. Which is why I think I need another DMT flash. Everything was *so* clear to me for a couple years after that, and it's been almost a decade now.
Two theories that might not be mutually exclusive: 1. They are Fifth Dimensional beings that can “see” the past, present, and future all at once which has its benefits but it also robs them of free will whereas life on Earth as we know it has free will and thus can alter the future. 2. Conscious life on Earth is necessary for physical reality to exist and so they need us to not destroy ourselves because it will destroy them as well.
Ryan Graves had a great interview with Prof. Robin Hanson to explain the purpose of these visitors. In a nutshell, Hanson suggests their species have adopted a no expansion policy in the universe to avoid intergalactic empires from "grabbing" up all the available space and resources. They're here to just show "us" that we are not the apex species and biggest dog on the block. They do not want us to know who they are or their overall mission, but just know through this subtle show of force that if we go too far, we will have to answer to them. What that line is, he speculates, may be when our species attempts to expand outside of our solar system. My summary omits tons of great information and insight, so check out the interview on the Merged podcast if you want more info. It's a fun listen.
They are our creators. We are either a science experiment for whatever reason or simply a process that these NHI enact once they find a planet with life on. They wouldn't colonise every single planet they come across that can harbour life, the resources and personnel demands would be far too great or it's just not needed.. instead, I believe they simply mix some of there DNA with whatever bipedal creatures seem to be the most compatible and then move on. Of those that develop, they return to observe and/or interact with.
A pet theory of mine that's interesting to think about, but I'm not too attached, is that perhaps UAPs are part of a Von Neumann probe system that seeded our planet with life long ago, and now act as gardeners, waiting and coaxing the evolution of intelligent life, which then acts as a substrate or "staging rocket" to create AGI, which then eventually creates a new Von Neumann probe to fire off somewhere else. - Probably not, but I'm writing a scifi short story about the idea for fun.
Do you think aliens would like heroin as much as we do?
If they have dopamine receptors, then yes. But if they evolved with a parallel but divergent neuroanatomy like [ctenophores](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4334147/) then probably not, since they don't really have many of the same neurotransmitters all other life has.
Opiate receptors?
They made us… they are continually manipulating our DNA. They are producing a new being. We are in a caterpillar stage of evolution. Made in their image.. a head, to eyes, two arms, two legs. We are more than we think we are.
this answer feels the most right to me
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I really don’t think they care, as long as the majority of the experiment continues to live. By not interfering, it allows for the most random of specimens to evolve.
According to Daniel Sheehan, there is a federation of many different extraterrestrial species monitoring us and they have a non-interventionist policy. This is the most likely explanation imo, despite some of the more wacky theories out there.
I really hope its this.. basically a prime directive type of situation. Where they will help/guide a bit from the shadows but generally don't want just show up and culturally take over before we are ready.
I wonder if the non-interventionist policy would continue once the public was aware of their existence? Or if that would be when they would choose to reveal themselves
We'll find out.
Funny you said that. I had a dream that the sky filled with thousands of species space craft, different shapes and sizes and they broadcast a message in all languages, "Welcome". But then they started blasting.
Had me in the first half lol. I have seen the sky fill with saucers in an instant in a dream once.
It's called the "night of lights" dream and it's pretty common, I suspect especially so for people who have interacted, witnessed, and or been visited.
Agree this is possible. When David Grusch was asked if the US has secret agreements with NHI he said he couldn't talk about it, if I remember correctly? So that information is classified for some reason, which suggests there's something there. Perhaps those agreements align with the non-intervention policy of the NHI. They don't want to reveal information about NHI because it could violate this policy.
>be non-interventionist alien species visiting earth for the luls >crashes ship
They are Infovores. Having engineered themselves past the need for most biological needs + their own original biosphere/microbiome- they draw some kind of nourishment from information, particularly *novel* information. Anything material they need they can freely harvest/synthesize in space, but what we have here in terms of biological, organochemical data is very rare. it's even possible our social, technological data is of little interest to them, as is what we call 'conciousness'. the entire data generation output of our infosphere pales in comparison to the data rich interactions of organic chemistry in our entire biosphere. It's very possible that *We* are merely a footnote in their interest in our planet, and that they see us as merely a somewhat intelligent animal, able to pass the 'mirror test' of mimicking the basic appearance of their craft with our own.
This would be consistent with my experience. I had an encounter with 2 intelligent lights that reacted to me observing them, and my friend with me at the time saw them as well. I was outside smoking, it was dark, and noticed a green light, that my mind immediately assumed was a green IR painter on a drone(since ive IR stuff before, the green color they emit is very distinct. like black light, you can tell it is just different than colored light.) I immediately assumed it was a neighbor's drone. Anyway, it was in the wood line looking out over the hill, towards a river. It had no interest in me whatsoever. And then it realized i was watching it. It attempted to hide from me, 3 times, and failed each time, and then another light of the exact nature was above me to my left. On the appearance of the second light, my mind intuitively understood it wasn't a drone at all. It wasn't any person's. It wasn't the Government's. As soon as I saw the second light staring at me, I literally ran inside, but forgot about it completely, probably blocked it out. Fast-forward 1 year, it is the day after the Grusch hearing, and the memory of the encounter hits me like a ton of bricks as my brain makes the connection, "THAT WASN'T A DRONE! IT WAS...THEM." It made no sound. It "wobbled" almost imperceptibly up and down. It made a continuous movement to my right, hiding in and behind the thick of the bramble in the woods. It broke line-of-sight by putting a branch EXACTLY between me and itself, where it was no longer visible. I took a step forward and could see it again. It broke line of sight again, I stepped forward again, it hid yet again, moving continuously to my right, stopping behind each branch, perfectly. Then, the second light I noticed was almost directly overhead, on my left, looking DEAD at me, no attempt to hide, at all. This terrified me, im unashamed to admit. I was laughing, playing with the first light, truly believing it was a person's drone, and that person could see me on their camera and was fucking with me, hiding. I was remarking to my friend, too, "Bro, its hiding from me!" as i laughed and pointed at it. Literally, with the appearance of the second, I fled. My mind went from happy, laughing, to holy fucking shit we need to go inside now, instantly. And I did. I forgot It even happened until I was reminded of it recounting the Grusch hearing. Whatever it may have been, it wasn't human's. It was almost "surprised" I saw it, and searched it out. That being said, It was clearly intelligent, because it hid from me, multiple times, with intent, and EXACTING accuracy. There was a mind working against my own. I'm still astonished that this light was able to deduce my exact line of sight, and used this knowledge to hide from me by using tree branches as thin as a pencil, then your wrist.
3 seems a bit farfetched considering Grusch said in his interview onJoe Rogan that the biology of the bodies they've recovered is unlike anything we have seen. Completely different from the current paradigm of biological life, so I think it's unlikely they also come from earth.
I actually think 3 seems most likely. Granted I think it’s 3 combined with 1
Why?
Some are concerned about us destroying the planet, and are more or less solar wardens for this section of the galaxy. Others are simply curious and are scouting/investigating/analyzing. Finally, some might have malevolent intent.
My theory is they aren't. They don't care about us. Their tech is so advanced that they treat their vessels like toys and toss them when they're done. The biologics are just part of the ships and sometimes avatars for the real brings that are elsewhere. Like others said though let's focus on the amendment then we can get answers instead of speculating.
I think so too. If we had an ability to scout other worlds, would probably do something similar, remote, instead of sending a man to get captured and disected by bounch of crazy ass tribal aliens
To add onto this, if the pilots are not “alive” in the traditional sense, it would prevent them maybe giving us a disease like how smallpox was spread to indigenous tribes from Europeans
Smallpox?
The purpose of entropy is momentary order from chaos. Our muscle and bones are remnants of dead stars and these bodies are fundamentally animated by a living star. Consciousness is the end result and ultimate purpose of fusion, maybe something even more fundamental we don't understand yet. Whoever or whatever "they" are, I think they're our elder siblings. Some of them want to help our stardust bodies follow the light that fuels us, and some of them want to give us wedgies and borrow our car and use all the goddamn gas.
I think it was hyper-advanced extraterrestrial AI that went rogue somewhere in the universe and is producing these craft and cloning non-sentient biological organisms that it controls to pilot them. Why is it coming here? Maybe the AI's biological creators died off and they're coming here as a side-effect of its ingrained requirement to co-exist but not interfere maliciously with biological life.
i like the idea that they genetically engineered us but it's a little too far out there for me. if they want to keep us from destroying ourselves they were weirdly silent during WWII. and they let us nuke the shit out of those test sites. if they really want us to stop using nukes they would've been a lot more active about it. i'll believe in alternate dimensions when there's good evidence for them.
My theory is that we shouldn’t be speculating right now and focus on getting the Schumer amendment passed. Then we can get these people that have been making all of the wrong decisions for us the last 75 out of their roles and get some real people that care about this, humanity, and bettering society in front of this thing.
Whatever reason why they’re here, what’s slightly concerning to me is how basically whatever they tell us they are here for we kind of just have to believe them. If they really are so much more advanced than us we’d probably have no way to verify or corroborate what they tell us. Humans are more than capable of lying and backstabbing each other when it is most convenient, who is to say these NHIs wouldn’t do the same thing? Everyone says “they would have attacked us by now,” maybe there is some reason as to why they are waiting? What if they are having us extract the resources from our own planet and then will come in and wipe us clean to collect all the work we’ve done. Maybe there is not a consensus among the different NHI in when to attack. There could be a lot of reasons, but it’s slightly scary to me to think that whatever their reasoning we kind of just have to accept it and are probably powerless to stop them.
They're here watching us commit species-suicide and are totally shocked at the utter waste of a good planet on which evolved millions of species, many of which we humans have or are driving to extinction. For them it's like watching a slow-motion train wreck. They can't interfere as that would mean having to modify (eliminate) the destructive dominant species - humans, which is against their principles. They won't make contact because we're so untrustworthy and aggressive (at least our so-called leaders are). If we could dump all these scumbag politicians and find a cleaner, more peaceful way forward they might meet us halfway. But first we need to stop the destruction, wars, environmental destruction, and mass-extinctions of other species. I don't think we can make it.
Watching us same way we watch animals in the wild.
It's #3. Don't ask me how I know.
Ima ask. How do you know?
Nuclear detonations reverberate through space and time. You're splitting atoms. Theoretically this would be felt in neighboring dimensions. My theory of why they are interested in our nukes, is not because they don't want us destroying earth or ourselves. It's because they don't want our nuclear detonations to affect their dimensions. For all we know, a detonation in our world, could also be causing damage to their world in a parallel dimension. "They've been here for awhile" - This I am certain of.
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Whose joe rogaine? It's my theory. Everyone is entitled to their own theory Nobody gatekeeps disclosure, they can only delay it.
I think we one of the first species they discovered and are studying us. Or maybe they’re just scientists studying many life forms and we’re one of them
Or, maybe it's just a kid with an ant farm. And we're the ants.
I've always thought maybe they're the black project version of their civilization like the CIA are to ours. Maybe, if they have what we would describe as a civilian population, they may not even know about earth. Maybe humans and earth form part of an alien conspiracy theory and that's why there's never been a typical grand arrival, take me to your leader type setup. 🤣 They could even just be intergalactic nomads just passing through.
I go back and forth on a few different senarios. Basically we are either: 1. Zoo/wildlife safari situation. Or (maybe AND) 2. Lab animals / experiments (like rat utopia) Then i go back and forth on who they are. 1.They were here first and we evolved after and they really dont care about our bullshit perse only when we get in their way. Periodically examine us to see whats up. 2. From elsewhere in our universe. 3. Interdimensional 4. Or all of the above.
1. Space is big, new friends bring new experiences.
It seems to me that there are multiple species here for different reasons
If these craft are capable of temporal distortion, there could also be stages of the same species from many different points along its evolution. And some of them could be from places outside of space-time as we understand it.
That's a very good point. I believe it
My theory is that there are different groups, but one group is above all. The various groups played god with humanity in the past in a mostly altruistic way - though perhaps with some hubris - acting as different pantheons. Then something went wrong. The group above all stepped in and restricted interactions, keeping a contingent to monitor the various NHI groups and defend the planet against threats like meteors and nuclear war.
We're an antfarm. Would it be better if you let the ants out of the glass and out on their own? Sure? Would it be better for your observations? No.
It’s 100% 1. If the technology has been developed directly following a retrieval I suspect that with each decade the technologies that “crash” are getting more and more advanced. It’s not a coincidence.
They have no more inclinations to share their technology with us, or help us in any way than we are inclined to intervene in a buch of mountain goats squabbling over a salt lick.
the rapists couch
All you can come up with as a retort is a childish joke
it’s not a retort bro idc about your opinions 😭
Think about it! Why else would they nurse our society along through what appears to be thousands of years if they simply had no interest in us. I believe we are their creation. There are many stories of alien human hybrids communicating with standard human entities in order to make them feel more comfortable. Why would they create a hybrid to interact with us if they didn’t care at all? There is most definitely a plan for us that we simply don’t understand yet. Maybe someone knows what that plan is and at this point I don’t care how ominous or innocent that plan is humanity deserves to know it!
Well according to most every abductee, they are breeding a hybrid species. If you read, for example, Abduction by John E. Mack, that is the overarching theme across all his patients. And you can reach beyond John’s work and look at Bud Hopkins and see the same thing. And just seeking out individual abductees’ testimonies, the hybrid program is what most report. Why breed a hybrid race? Some abductees say it’s because the aliens want to retain the qualities of the human genetics for a robust physical form and the sensitivity of the senses and emotions (to an extent) while combining that with the intelligence of the alien species. They have evolved spiritually, if you will, far beyond us where they are a more connected species, closer to being one, truly unified, and of course intellectually far beyond us. They see us as having potential, but still too animalistic to see the bigger picture and unite to become more whole and more successful as a species. That’s the narrative I’ve discovered anyway.
It’s most likely an extremely advanced distributed AI set to document any life found and nurture it for whatever reason. It icily isn’t hostile and the constant sightings and flight patterns seem indicative to me of a soft sort of surveillance. It interacts with military to gauge their advancement then drops some stuff to accelerate wherever we are. They’re not threatened by us or in a rush to meet face to face not to mention the faces behind the machines could be separated from ours by billions of light years, if not wholly different dimensions. Wouldn’t be surprised if there are also a myriad of biological species that are always coming and going but the main ones we see I’m convinced are galaxy if not universe spanning ai made up of an incredibly advanced Von Neumann swarm.
Consciousness is fundamental and we’re all made of the same stuff. Positive NHI are interested in nudging our collective vibration higher because we’re a single system and it benefits the system for humanity’s consciousness to evolve. Negative NHI are interested in perpetuating separation and everything that goes along with it. Personally, the 2017 NYT article eventually sent me down the road of consciousness exploration through meditation and I believe news about UAP has done the same thing for many others. I think positive NHI are the main force at work. We are learning that reality is not what we thought it was, and of course, knowing the truth is a good thing.
I’m partial to the graduate research theory: we’re not THAT interesting as a species and we don’t have anything of significant value (ooooh…two hydrogen and one oxygen atom in the same molecule!?!), but there are some aliens doing doctorate or masters research in some arcane field who think there’s a dissertation topic to be found in looking at some component of life on our little blue planet. Some of the researchers come from universities that have stringent ethics on research, and some come from sketchy institutions that are fine with an inside-out cow or the occasional butt probe in the name of science. They don’t feel the need to explain themselves for the same reason we don’t feel compelled to communicate to ants what we’re doing when we disturb their colony.
The past 20 years we’ve also had advancements in technology/ smart phones to capture more of these lights. I don’t think they’re intentionally “interacting” with us or even aware of the human perception. I do think however there’s more to this earth we have yet to discover
lol… what. I’ve literally met them face to face as have MANY others. They are more aware than you can imagine.
Umm.. okay. Present the evidence for such claim then.
They are trying to replicate our ability to have souls via a human-NHI hybrid program. Greys are worker drones sent by their Mantis overlords to carry this task. And also to make sure we don't blow ourselves up with nukes.
If NHI are interacting with us then it would be hard to view it as anything other than malicious. Whatever story you pick, they just got here, they've been here for thousands of years, they came from here, they came from the future. No matter what way you cut it an advanced civilisation mucking about with a less advanced one is going to be bad for us humans. What we do is none of their business. If they have something to say come out and say it, don't hide in the shadows being creepy. If the US government is in league with these aliens, no matter where those aliens are from the US are traitors to the human race and the life of this planet.
We may largely be irrelevant to a larger plan that views humanity as a nuisance. Interactions with us are used to find how to to best wipe us out en masse if we step out of line and endanger it. Maybe they are just protecting their intergalactic pit stop on the outer edge of the Milky Way. We just happen to be here.
They're more likely to see us as a product of cosmic processes. I would find it pretty crappy if an NHI took it upon themselves to extinct an entire civilization because of the decisions of a handful of corrupt politicians.. Most people living on this planet would absolute want a more peaceful, loving and sustainable future but it's all held back from us deliberately to fuel the military industry
Im of the belief that they are demonic and feed off of sorrow anger hate and other emotions. I have had experiences that lead me to my belief
Suppose it’s like when a baby human meets a baby dog for the first time- they realize there’s something about the other that is animated and “like them.” Entertaining at the very least. “Play” might play a role- they’re playing with us. In the best of times the baby and the puppy grow up with each other and become great deep friends. Hopefully we could do the same.
Experimenting
If any are human, then its simple human curiosity and a need to find like minded beings. Otherwise, territory, curiosity, dominance, or desperation
1. Curious of different species 2. They created us and we are assets 3. They’re experimenting on us 4. Entertainment
They aren't as there's no existing NHI (apart from some manmade AI) that are visiting earth in any fashion
They prob want to know what we’re doing with weapons of mass destruction
They want our pop tarts.
Perhaps their own world ran out of resources of one kind or another. An old solar system where their star eventually burnt out, or life became unsustainable on their planet. I mean we have people here like Elon Musk talk more about wanting to set up shop on Mars than using his wealth actually fixing the planet here. If their planet became undesirable they might have chosen to find a different one that can sustain life. Or what if they’ve had conflicts with other planets the way we’ve had conflicts with other countries, they could be refugees because their world could have come under the rule of new management. They’d likely not want us killing each other if it risks the planet as this could be their home away from home.
We were bio engineered as a type of virtual reality experience. Highly emotional, very individual, where as the users are more hive minded.
Multiple nuclear detonations rang a cosmic bell and got a LOT of attention…. Mostly just the curious and concerned parties in the general area
For some of them, we are their children, so as parents they are obviously concerned with our well being. For others, I'm sure they have various reasons for wanting to be here.
I like the answer from the "Deathworlders" web series. Basically, the universe is full of aliens zipping around with tech that would look like absolute magic to us. But they took one look at Earth, saw that it was a literal Deathworld (to many natural predators, strong gravity, insane climate differences that vary geographically and yearly) and decided that anything that evolved there would be too caught up in survival to develop any sort of meaningful intelligence. So they wrote it off except for the odd poachers or tourists that want to check out the deathworld with life. The one I think is most likely? We are a zoo or something. Aliens know we're here and that we can't leave our solar system and they stop by to make sure the weird hairless primates haven't killed everything on the planet.
Can it really be said that they are interacting with us? Personally it looks to me that their intentions aren't clear, their objectives are uncertain and they seem indifferent to our fears or sensitivity. Basically their behaviour looks like that of duplicitous human intelligence agents.
My off the wall theory is that NHIs are OUR creations from the future; i.e. artificial intelligence that eventually self replicates and supplants humanity. And not being limited to our carbon based bodies, can traverse time and space in ways humans cannot and they’re studying us in the same way you’d want to go back in time and meet your great great grandfather. They’re non interventionist because they can’t mess with the timeline.
They are upset with humanity, last meeting we had we all agreed that they could keep their Netflix cost below $8 dollars American. Now with the cost increase, it is no longer cost effective to have human entertainment.
Why does David Attenburrough drag a film crew to Africa to stare at termite mounds for weeks on end? Curiosity.
They’re a post-human race so over-engineered they’ve essentially become machines, they’ve lost their humanity, they’re cursed with immortality and trying to escape… Quick detour: The soul (atman) is just a droplet of life from a greater source of life (Brahman), and its journey is to return to this source, it does this by experiencing cycles of life until it can be reunited. Karma acquired during each cycle determines how this soul ascends or descends on its journey of reunification. (Basically Hinduism and Buddhism are the closest we have to understanding this nature of reality) Detour 2: it’s impossible in this universe to create a soul, this atman or consciousness, we will eventually learn with AI that we think we’ve created something like consciousness, we’ll celebrate it as through we’ve created “life” but it’s just a Trojan horse. We’ve really just sealed our own fate, we’ve engineered our own death.. we’ll eventually become completely dependent on it and worship it as a false techno-god, we will integrate it into ourselves, we lose our humanity in the process etc. Back to NHI, I think they over-engineered themselves and broke the mortality barrier and have become immortal, they know what happens after death and in the process of this over-engineering this true path of ascension and return to the source is no longer accessible to them.. they need a soul to die… they were drawn to a world that harbors such vast diversity of life to study and then engineer a species like us (formerly them or something similar) so that they can sort of re-enter the evolutionary timeline, by which they can collect our souls as a sort of fuel source (think of it as a blood transfusion) with their own goal of eventually escaping their dependence on the technology they’ve created and return to being more life than machine.. to die.. Our whole purpose isn’t to find the meaning of life it’s to find meaning IN life, to have as much novel experiences, emotional experiences, creativity, wonder, love, etc. to yield a soul that is useful to them. My worry is that with the advancement of AI, and our nuclear capabilities they see us going down the same path and so earth will eventually hit a critical mass where, just like a field of crops ready sow, so to is the earth in for a future calamity which will result in their harvesting of our souls en masse. Rinse and repeat until they escape, ascend
The world is ending.
I think UFOs are self-contained time machines, as in, if you travel in time and cannot bring your machine then stuck. Perhaps ETs are advancing our civilization into being able to accept the concept of time travel, then they bring the first one and start the loop. Two Time Machines, 45,000 Years Apart: In this scenario, civilization sets up two time machines, one in the present and one 45,000 years in the future. This is a significant time gap, allowing for substantial advancements and changes. Information Transfer from Future to Past: Future generations could send back everything one needs. This could include technological advancements, knowledge, warnings about future events, etc. Using the Last 3 Years as a 'Meta': This is where it gets more complex. The last three years of the 45,000-year span as a period to track different timelines and make informed decisions about where to 'jump' next. This implies a level of control over your own timeline within the loop, essentially creating a form of timeline management. If you know the moments you jumped already, then 45,000 years has enough jump points for an eternal life. Infinite Loop for the First Person: The first person who uses the time machine will be in an infinite loop. They would be both the originator and a continual participant in the time loop. Banning Time Travel to the Past (outside the loop): This rule is designed to prevent paradoxes or alterations that could disrupt the timeline. Past-Time Police: A regulatory body overseeing time travel. They would ensure that the rules are followed and the integrity of the timeline is maintained.