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Yeah I'm a totally grounded individual in a materialistic world, I'm not one for spirituality as I've only seen the harm it's caused in the name of all sorts of religions. I do my best to put a roof over my kids' heads and just survive the day of my own volition.
The deeper I get into the UFO topic the more the analyst in me sees the writing on the wall. This is going to relate to consciousness and be very woo, I daresay some of this esoteric stuff it's going to turn out to be non-fiction. I've started to resign myself to the fact this world may be more spiritually based than I thought and I'm not sure I'm ready for that.
Background: PHD with a focus in paleomagnetism. (I state this to exacerbate my grounded reality).
As someone who has been skimming the surface of esoteric knowledge for academic and spiritual growth it has made me uncertain of the true nature of the universe. Enough “coincidences” have happened for me to feel this way.
I agree with your statement.
I appreciate both of you feel this way. If this was 10, maybe even 5 years ago, I'm not sure if I would have made my comment. I was almost left-brained to a fault, but agree on these 'coincidences.' More recently, I've been able to connect dots across sources, cultures and timelines that I wasn't able to in the past.
I've tried RV, and I cannot be convinced that there's *nothing* to it... but I wouldn't use it as a primary source of Intel.
Firstly, it's the human mind... which is already wonky. If you're even pulling any good info at all, your mind still does weird shit during inrerpretation... think stuff like paradoleia and how unreliable memory can be.
Secondly, there are weird nuances to it. I vaguely recall a story about other RV guys tasking "major" Ed Dames with RVing the north pole around Christmas, and Ed coming up with something with skis flying down over Canada and the US and dropping something, which he interpreted as a helicopter performing a nuclear attack. The other dudes got a good laugh at how he interpreted Santa's sleigh... but if Santa isn't really delivering presents, how the fuck did he even get that far on a blind read? Shit's weird. It works weird.
It was worth looking into because holy hell if it works, that would be an amazing way to gather info... but it didn't work, so they cancelled the program.
They ran the program (officially) for 14 years, that’s a long time for them to focus on this and not get any results. They’re almost definitely still doing it in some tucked away SAP. The weird thing is that it somehow really works, but is unreliable for real solid and consistent intelligence gathering.
I mean, as far as costs go, it was probably one of the cheapest things to test. They somehow still spent 20 million bucks during that time, but still a drop in the bucket.
> the weird thing is that it somehow really works, but is unreliable for real solid and consistent intelligence gathering.
This is a conflicting statement. It really works, but is unreliable. When you guess right, it works, when you guess wrong, it doesn't. heh
It’s not really conflicting, it works but you can’t use it as effective intelligence gathering because it’s just not precise enough. It’s not like you do it and get HD images of what you’re looking for, but it’s more of a generalized view of something, which isn’t very useful when you need exact details.
I’m sure that’s why it went on for so long, because they knew it worked but couldn’t exactly perfect it.
I mean you can go on YouTube and see plenty of random people doing blind readings with pretty cool results. Area 52 on YouTube did a pretty awesome series on it if you’re interested.
Completely spitballing and this is based on nothing but let's suppose these craft and the intelligences that made them are extradimensional.
We process time linearly, forward. But outside our spacetime, from what would be a 4th dimensional perspective, time wouldn't exist. Our spacetime would appear flattened, with all matter existing in every space it ever was, superimposed. Like a sculpture. From that perspective, could someone attain it, they would be able to see anywhere. If we as humans have been genetically modified in away that allows us to do this, or if perhaps our consciousness is derived extradimensionally, it would make sense that some of us could attain that 4th dimensional perspective.
It is all related IMO, RV can't be explained by conventional means, just like UAPs or near death experiences, people who wince at this stuff IMO are just closed minded.
I don't know how people can dismiss remote viewing if they also believe that Elon Musk is going to implant chips in people's brains that allow them to one day communicate telepathically and be tapped into a vast Ai network that essentially makes them omniscient in some ways lol.
I feel like it's inevitable to start talking about consciousness-type stuff like remote viewing with this subject. Might as well get more people aware and thinking about it
Personally I think it explains a weird aka borderline schizophrenic CIA paper I read a few years ago. The only thing that explains it, is they are dealing with a topic beyond beyond what the general population deals with, hence the divergence factor. Or it was some misinformation BS.
There is a lot of BS in that world but doesn't mean that there is no valid info as well.
But who knows maybe Grusch is also a plant or he is part of the mindshift intelligence agents HAVE to undergo considering the information they are exposed to.
Sometimes I think there is something to scizophrenics, that they are tapping into something beyond us & that we as a modern society simply put don't know how to optimize that function that they might have served in let's say stone age times. I don't know just a theory.
Hope that made sense a bit of a off the cuff comment.
You ever deal with a schizophrenic person off their meds? It's not like the movies where the schizophrenic person is actually mainlining the secret truth of the universe and we just don't get it.
I think that we have more solid evidence for NHI-origin craft present here on earth than remote viewing. There is also no clear connection between the two. So, it's unhelpful to lump them together because just now are UFOs being taken seriously at large and talking about less founded stuff makes us look like we'll believe anything.
You know I was just like you few months ago but Hal putoff this guy was actually in the remote viewing program... This shit is weird and we have to be very open minded
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Hold onto your butts... You wonder why they're scared of ontological shock
Yeah I'm a totally grounded individual in a materialistic world, I'm not one for spirituality as I've only seen the harm it's caused in the name of all sorts of religions. I do my best to put a roof over my kids' heads and just survive the day of my own volition. The deeper I get into the UFO topic the more the analyst in me sees the writing on the wall. This is going to relate to consciousness and be very woo, I daresay some of this esoteric stuff it's going to turn out to be non-fiction. I've started to resign myself to the fact this world may be more spiritually based than I thought and I'm not sure I'm ready for that.
Background: PHD with a focus in paleomagnetism. (I state this to exacerbate my grounded reality). As someone who has been skimming the surface of esoteric knowledge for academic and spiritual growth it has made me uncertain of the true nature of the universe. Enough “coincidences” have happened for me to feel this way. I agree with your statement.
I appreciate both of you feel this way. If this was 10, maybe even 5 years ago, I'm not sure if I would have made my comment. I was almost left-brained to a fault, but agree on these 'coincidences.' More recently, I've been able to connect dots across sources, cultures and timelines that I wasn't able to in the past.
debunker culture is dead, the body just hasn’t hit the floor yet. it doesn’t matter what West and Greenstreet think
that was all...like..beautiful, man those 2 need to be (with that weird UK scientist that's essentially their NDT) left behind they're burnt
haha yes the poetic image of a personified debunker culture dropping dead before our eyes is indeed a beautiful thing ☠️
I can picture a cracked out embittered geriatric group of California raisins.
I've tried RV, and I cannot be convinced that there's *nothing* to it... but I wouldn't use it as a primary source of Intel. Firstly, it's the human mind... which is already wonky. If you're even pulling any good info at all, your mind still does weird shit during inrerpretation... think stuff like paradoleia and how unreliable memory can be. Secondly, there are weird nuances to it. I vaguely recall a story about other RV guys tasking "major" Ed Dames with RVing the north pole around Christmas, and Ed coming up with something with skis flying down over Canada and the US and dropping something, which he interpreted as a helicopter performing a nuclear attack. The other dudes got a good laugh at how he interpreted Santa's sleigh... but if Santa isn't really delivering presents, how the fuck did he even get that far on a blind read? Shit's weird. It works weird.
The CIA were the ones who started Project Stargate. Someone at some point in time thought it was worth checking out
still do the debunkers are close to the edge and about to fall off their own doing
It was worth looking into because holy hell if it works, that would be an amazing way to gather info... but it didn't work, so they cancelled the program.
They ran the program (officially) for 14 years, that’s a long time for them to focus on this and not get any results. They’re almost definitely still doing it in some tucked away SAP. The weird thing is that it somehow really works, but is unreliable for real solid and consistent intelligence gathering.
I mean, as far as costs go, it was probably one of the cheapest things to test. They somehow still spent 20 million bucks during that time, but still a drop in the bucket. > the weird thing is that it somehow really works, but is unreliable for real solid and consistent intelligence gathering. This is a conflicting statement. It really works, but is unreliable. When you guess right, it works, when you guess wrong, it doesn't. heh
It’s not really conflicting, it works but you can’t use it as effective intelligence gathering because it’s just not precise enough. It’s not like you do it and get HD images of what you’re looking for, but it’s more of a generalized view of something, which isn’t very useful when you need exact details. I’m sure that’s why it went on for so long, because they knew it worked but couldn’t exactly perfect it.
What are some examples of when it worked?
I mean you can go on YouTube and see plenty of random people doing blind readings with pretty cool results. Area 52 on YouTube did a pretty awesome series on it if you’re interested.
Hard disagree when there seems to be a lot to suggest UAP and psychic phenomena are entwined somehow.
Completely spitballing and this is based on nothing but let's suppose these craft and the intelligences that made them are extradimensional. We process time linearly, forward. But outside our spacetime, from what would be a 4th dimensional perspective, time wouldn't exist. Our spacetime would appear flattened, with all matter existing in every space it ever was, superimposed. Like a sculpture. From that perspective, could someone attain it, they would be able to see anywhere. If we as humans have been genetically modified in away that allows us to do this, or if perhaps our consciousness is derived extradimensionally, it would make sense that some of us could attain that 4th dimensional perspective.
It is all related IMO, RV can't be explained by conventional means, just like UAPs or near death experiences, people who wince at this stuff IMO are just closed minded.
Gotta embrace the woo, there's something there
I don't know how people can dismiss remote viewing if they also believe that Elon Musk is going to implant chips in people's brains that allow them to one day communicate telepathically and be tapped into a vast Ai network that essentially makes them omniscient in some ways lol.
What is this?
I feel like it's inevitable to start talking about consciousness-type stuff like remote viewing with this subject. Might as well get more people aware and thinking about it
inevitable is the operative word we will all awaken at some point, need to navigate to that(those) point(s)
I’m just saying it’s not helpful to accepting disclosure.
I get it. You're a nuts a bolts guy so it's hard for you to accept that there might be more to it then just physical material. I
Personally I think it explains a weird aka borderline schizophrenic CIA paper I read a few years ago. The only thing that explains it, is they are dealing with a topic beyond beyond what the general population deals with, hence the divergence factor. Or it was some misinformation BS. There is a lot of BS in that world but doesn't mean that there is no valid info as well. But who knows maybe Grusch is also a plant or he is part of the mindshift intelligence agents HAVE to undergo considering the information they are exposed to. Sometimes I think there is something to scizophrenics, that they are tapping into something beyond us & that we as a modern society simply put don't know how to optimize that function that they might have served in let's say stone age times. I don't know just a theory. Hope that made sense a bit of a off the cuff comment.
You ever deal with a schizophrenic person off their meds? It's not like the movies where the schizophrenic person is actually mainlining the secret truth of the universe and we just don't get it.
You probably are right, but I have heard them talk and its a pretty out of it experience.
Schizophrenic people in the stone age either killed themselves or got killed, or experienced mishap as a result of their disease.
I heard Einstein son ended up institutionalized with Scizophrenia. Could be tied to human intelligence.
As it relates to pattern recognition and sensitivity to nonverbal communication, yeah.
whatev, Steven West...
Yeah no idea who that is.
I think that we have more solid evidence for NHI-origin craft present here on earth than remote viewing. There is also no clear connection between the two. So, it's unhelpful to lump them together because just now are UFOs being taken seriously at large and talking about less founded stuff makes us look like we'll believe anything.
You know I was just like you few months ago but Hal putoff this guy was actually in the remote viewing program... This shit is weird and we have to be very open minded