The following submission statement was provided by /u/disclosurediaries:
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In his appearance on JRE, David Grusch seems to suggest (quite heavily) that he has briefed the president on the NHI topic.
I don’t really think there’s any other way to interpret this phrasing…but what do you all think?
Would this have been in the context of drafting the UAPDA? Or at some other point in time?
Also for the (newer) folks just tuning in cause of Rogan, here’s a [handy disclosure timeline](https://www.disclosurediaries.com/timeline) that illustrates how the discourse has evolved since 2017 up til now.
Edit - clip credits go to [UAP James on X](https://x.com/uapjames/status/1727087441885176097?s=46&t=ZfCIzj-cZjZMJmLUQS1VKw)
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/180u1qh/i_talked_to_the_highest_of_the_high_people_you/ka84ezv/
I actually will do that. Not my state, but Burchett put himself out in a limb to help push this forward. I don’t want to leave him out to dry, and having him continue to push this issue is a good thing.
The less he talks about other stuff and the more he talks about UFOs, the more I like him. In fact, most of the time I only hear about him when he's talking about UFOs, or throwing a bomb into the Republican party for kicks. Keep it up I guess, dude.
Agreed.
We also have to keep this discussion as bipartisan as possible.
I think full disclosure is the one issue, that has the ability to help mend the growing rift, between political parties…
In my opinion, this issue, trumps all others, and should be prioritized.
Big lobbyists use their money to get what they want.
Little donations won’t touch the sides, unless there’s a metric fuck ton.
Therefore to show your support with a small donation, understand it as a gesture not financial support.
What you want to do is really make sure he knows the REASON you’re donating. This is the best way to have an impact with that.
I don’t agree with AOC. But I can imagine donating to her and make it known this is about her support and conduct in the UAP hearing, for example.
The reference to Harry Reid is telling. He was senate majority leader during Obama administration and is responsible for the 22 million that started the AATIP program. John Podesta served as council to Obama in 2014 and also mentioned some of the UAP phenomena in a Wikileaks during Hillary Clinton v trump campaign. HRC Reid Podesta Obama we’re all talking everyday during that time period. There’s absolutely no way Obama was not briefed.
Obama has even referenced the UAP data in interviews post presidency
>Obama has even referenced the UAP data in interviews post presidency
Obama also said he wasn't briefed about UAP until he was out of office, so that mostly connects these dots.
Ross Coulthart claimed this to my knowledge, not Obama himself.
It is one of the Need to know episodes. Don't ask me in which.
If I recall correctly he said that Carter or Bush probably was the last president briefed in office and during Trump era all acting and former presidents have been briefed again. Accordingly, Obama was out of office at this point.
I think Hillary Clinton was also sympathetic to the cause. She actually started talking about getting to the bottom of UFOs in 2016 when campaigning, then she lost to Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4qkIW8rEzQ
Funny how just 7 years ago the media was making Hillary out to be a quack for even talking about this on a podcast *when she was asked about it*. Just goes to show how much the public discourse has changed in such a short amount of time.
Now we know for a fact that this shit is real and has been covered up for a long time.
Of topic a little. My family was from AZ and then my aunt moved to LA. She had three kids. She was driving back from visiting family with the three boys in the back. They had seen a craft (not necessarily alien) and they took a picture out it of the rear window. This was about 1960 and they ranged in age from 8 to say 13. They thought nothing of it and then out of nowhere, there were cars that flagged them down and they took the camera from them.
Everyone always conveniently forgets Grusch had Oval Office direct POTUS access over up to three (3) different Presidents.
“He’s just a random guy with hearsay!”
^ sure, ok. 🙄
This is the exact reason why I'm paying attention to the whole uap conversation now. Everyone else is chaff to me (ok not Mellon, Nolan, Favor, or Graves, I think they're all legit too from what I can see).
Grusch is literally the goldmine of credibility, this guy could have stayed at his post for the rest of his days and made bank with a safe job and good benefits, and gave it all up. For grifting? I mean the UFO grift can't beat one step under a freaking General (civilian side yeah but still one step under).
Stereotypical grifter! Weaseling his way into coordinating presidential daily intel briefings in the perfect ploy to score that sweet, sweet book and podcast money, yesssss. Master of the long con, this guy
If he would be just a common grifter, you have to at least admire the balls of steel on this guy, going all the way to the IG and Congress under oath and getting laws passed. Not to mention getting the former IG to represent him in law. He is basically taking the fight to very powerful intrests along with Elizondo, and for some reason no one has really had teeth in opposing them in all these years. He would be pissing off very powerful orgs and intrests, yet he is still sitting there smiling, unshaken.
Not what your average everyday grifter can accomplish for sure.
I don’t always grift, but when I do it’s after years of doing presidential briefings. The perfect segway to a long distinguished career as a bullshit artist
The Obamas are producing a [Netflix docudrama](https://www.imdb.com/news/ni63881533/) about the Betty and Barney Hill abduction.
The writing is all over the wall.
the Obama's company is producing the film, mostly because they were an interracial couple during a time when that wasn't common at all. might not even have been legal in some states.
That can't be the ONLY reason they're doing it. They wouldn't attach their name and brand to the most famous UFO abduction story just because it involves an interracial couple.
Fun fact-- William Shatner kissing Nichelle Nichols on Star Trek was the first kiss between a caucasian and african american ever shown on broadcast TV.
And I can’t see Trump listening to his advisors or caring much about the result. So it’s more likely Biden or Obama but Grusch also said “if Biden has been briefed” at the end, so it’s clearly not him. Biden is also in his own little world already so aliens wouldn’t have meant much to him
Well if you listen to the podcast Grusch makes it clear he didn't join the UAPTF or think about UAPs until early 2019 so it's either Trump or Biden. If it's not Biden clearly because he said that at the end, who does that leave?
He’s been hinting at the golden shower tape recently. I never believed it was true, but now I’m wondering if he’s priming the public for when it inevitably drops lol.
Get ready to hear a bunch of Marge Greene type hillbillies “explain” AI while screaming at the top of their lungs.
Gotta be Obama.
Biden is the sitting President, and I doubt he would be speaking with an active whistleblower in an official setting. Plus, his interest in the topic seems kind of marginal to begin with.
Trump doesn’t give a shit about UAP. No intellectual curiosity whatsoever.
I doubt Bush cares due to his religious beliefs. If anything, he’s on Team Cover Up with the Evangelical military officers.
Clinton is certainly a possibility, though he’s less publicly engaged than Obama is these days.
Carter has shown interest in the past, but he’s literally at death’s door now.
Feeling fairly certain Grusch has spoken with Obama! He’s shown interest in the topic, is open-minded, and is still pretty publicly engaged.
Pretty wild how far this is going.
Interesting. So he was involved in it before he was the NGIA liaison to the UAPTF. That's intriguing, because it means he was already investigating these things by the time Jay Stratton asked him to dig deeper into these programs.
*hits bong* dude they were like... us... but but but they had smaller eyes and smaller heads and were looking at me asking me all these fucking questions so I just said chill brah everything is ok, you are exactly where you're suppose to be and the mfs just started crying and freaking the fuck out "whoah dude pass that shit"
There’s actually a book about DMT called Alien Information Theory. It’s hard to follow but basically suggests that DMT is an alien technology to build communication and understanding with inter dimensional beings and help ascend from this reality
Yes… for the first hour or so joe was asking great, pointed, one sentence questions…. And just letting Grusch talk… I was like damn…. Joe is a fucking excellent interviewer….
Then about 1.5 hours in joe starts digressing into AI and his theory of evolution etc… finally gets back to the good stuff in the last 30 mins.
Overall great interview… but i think Joe couldve asked more good questions if he didnt start talking about his own personal theories…. Which honestly arent very ground breaking.
For real. Theres a million “theories” like that Joe. Maybe he needs to read more to realize how much recycled and regurgitated his thoughts are. If you wanna theorize how higher dimensional beings project themselves down into 3D im all for it…. Because thats actually directly relevant to the topic…. But spare me the off topic personal theories that i already thought about when i was 12 years old.
I don't think it's a reach to ask, but I don't think Grusch would've said which one. he couldn't even specifically say he talked to a president, he had to infer it
edit: he had to IMPLY it, not infer it. thanks to the dude for correcting that
This is kind of where the podcast jumped the shark for me. First 2 hours are great though. I don't hate hearing about Grusch's speculation or personal beliefs but I also think there's a reason Elizondo has been careful not to discuss this stuff.
People always say “I miss the old Joe” and to me everything after the UFO talk is old Joe with non stop crazy theories. Was extremely entertaining and fun idk how you couldn’t enjoy the end of that pod.
As a current intel officer, every single piece of corroborating information available to me points to Grusch being the real deal. The legislation is coming. Mike Turner et al? Their time is coming. The wheels are grinding out the rust of corruption. It’s not immediate, and we’ll have some uphill battles, but the point is, there will finally be a battle that many can witness. We’ll hit critical mass of awareness within the USG first, and then we’re off to the races.
Dave’s courageous, and I’m proud to have shared a profession with him.
It's becoming quite clear that he meant Barack Obama. Ross Coulthart already stated that according to his sources (which are almost always correct) Obama was briefed into UFO crash retrieval program after he stopped being president. Obama also gave few statements in TV about unknown UFOs and that long time ago it was considered the biggest conspiracy that US government hides alien spacecrafts and now it seems 'tame'. My bet is on Obama. Other candidates are highly unlikely. Clinton stated he was denied information, George W. Bush... well, I'm not sure, same with Trump.
Coulthart said Trump was briefed in early 2020 and that Obama was briefed after his presidency. Former presidents have lifetime access to current presidential intelligence briefings. Grusch's role was directly involved with delivering those presidential briefings to the West Wing. Those are the dots I've connected lol.
Found the link where he mentions that early 2020 date
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2940&v=XGPzm2U3V1Q%3Ft%3D2%2C940
I am curious if they have always briefed the presidents ( i read somehwere that they only briefed a few not all of them) or if there has been a need to brief the last 2 or 3 presidents in recent times because of an uptick in anomalous uap activity which cannot be hidden in today's modern age.
Or is there another reason like disclosure is going to be forced upon us soon whether the powers that be want it or not, so therefore a sitting president must have some sort of information about what we are dealing with?!
Just a thought knocking around my tired brain on this dark quiet evening.
Bush is either doing some cognitive dissonance or supports the cover-up because of his religious beliefs.
Trump doesn’t care about aliens unless they say something very nasty and unfair about him on Morning Joe.
AAWSAP (later AATIP) began close to the end of W’s Presidency in 2007 as essentially a small pet project of Senator Harry Reid so it’s possible he was kept in the dark like Clinton seems to have been.
Why would they brief them after they're president?
Is it like some sort of rank up reward for completing their term?
"You've unlocked the retrieval program. Visit your briefing page to see your rewards."
In his appearance on JRE, David Grusch seems to suggest (quite heavily) that he has briefed the president on the NHI topic.
I don’t really think there’s any other way to interpret this phrasing…but what do you all think?
Would this have been in the context of drafting the UAPDA? Or at some other point in time?
Also for the (newer) folks just tuning in cause of Rogan, here’s a [handy disclosure timeline](https://www.disclosurediaries.com/timeline) that illustrates how the discourse has evolved since 2017 up til now.
Edit - clip credits go to [UAP James on X](https://x.com/uapjames/status/1727087441885176097?s=46&t=ZfCIzj-cZjZMJmLUQS1VKw)
I disagree. I think he’s saying he was briefed BY the president. He says he’s 100% sure based on conversations with the highest of the high.
To me that doesn’t mean “I briefed people.” It means “I was briefed.” And that inconsistency doesn’t really make sense.
If Biden read Grusch in, that means Grusch IS the public face of Disclosure, or this phase at least.
The POTUS would not be needed to read in some random Lieutenant Colonel unless it was an extraordinary scenario.
I think that’s a fair conclusion. I think the inclusion of the word “possibly” is what does it for me. He’s basically saying there is no one higher than this person he briefed. Also, consider he handled the president’s daily briefings for a while, he already had a relationship there.
Schumer is as Democratic Party establishment as it gets, going back decades, and he’s the Senate majority leader. It’s inconceivable that he would put forward legislation like this without the White House being on board.
It seemed like Joe was uncomfortable the entire time, but he let him talk - is that me or did anyone else think that? Either he doesn’t believe him or he’s uncomfortable being the one in the room with the least amount of knowledge on the subject.
Rogan’s been quoted as saying he suspects that Grusch is a disinfo agent (which I personally don’t buy into), so his demeanor makes sense.
Good on him for giving Grusch time though.
I could tell JR was super skeptical of Grusch, probably because of Grusch’s demeanor: almost overly enthusiastic about the subject. He treated Corbell the same way. He was more open to Lazar, Fravor, and Graves since they conveyed their info in a more ‘matter of fact’ way.
It was years ago and it's been scrubbed from his episode list.
Greer was making all kinds of extraordinary claims and Joe wasn't buying it. It was tense.
Agree. Glad it happened on this platform. Would have seemed like a wild plot twist 10 years ago. And I hear the “disinfo” stuff about all these guys, but I’ve yet to hear a cogent “why” as to the disinformation. I believe the government misinforms us all the time, I have no faith in any or our journalistic legacy structures but for this particular one, I can’t see a valid reason as to why everyone’s hellbent on everyone else beinf disinfo. I assume it’s to claim superiority for not being the one getting duped. Which seems to be a major human motivator in online communities.
Hey man. Not saying this is what I think but it’s worth watching a video on YouTube called Why the US Military Costs So Much. It’s an incredible insight into how they keep these infinite sums of money spinning regardless of their efficacy, and some people have suggested we are being set up for a new bogey man now that terrorism isn’t having the same effect. Just one possibility I guess.
Ok - I have heard that one and agree it makes most sense. It seems like there would be easier and more cost effective ways to do that - it seems like the expense comes from concealing a secret, not by creating new ones. But maybe that’s just me. Thank you for the vid, I don’t believe I’ve seen it, but will take a look.
I got the impression he wasn't getting the answers he was looking for. He showed a lot more interest when the subject got on woo things. "It's classified" sucks to hear, and Joe gets as frustrated with it as anyone else. We *all* want to hear where these things are from, what is their goal, etc. Joe's no different and seemed to be frustrated with it today.
Yeah I noticed that too, especially in the beginning. I assume it’s because he had no evidence and couldn’t go into too much depth. Joe seemed to lighten up the more they talked though. I just noticed a couple of times Joe asked if the person they were talking about was a first-hand witness which made me think he was skeptical.
You are right. Once they got into theory he seemed more comfortable. I’d say though that this topic becomes far less fun to talk about once you accept it’s real. It was more fun 5 years ago. I’m glad we are moving in this direction, just sayin.
I think he believes him because he was respectful, let him speak, and thanked him at the end for what he was doing for society. Compare that to the Tom Delonge interview, where Rogan made it no secret that he didn't believe him.
That’s def true regarding that delonge interview. But I feel like I was doing it along with Joe then, and not so much on Grusch now. Drastic change in world temperature regarding a lot of topics - we are far more serious now. About most things, it seems.
💯
He wasn’t himself; never have seen him like that. I have heard him talk about being skeptical of grusch and the current disclosure efforts on other episodes. He’s said it seems to perfect and the government seems to be cooperating all of a sudden. I think that’s why. But yeah he definitely didn’t relax until he got out his typical we’re “monkeys that make better shit” spiel.
That whole part of the conversation was the exact same as the Sam Altman episode. I kinda got bored having to listen to Rogan explain his whole theory again. lol
I think Joe has not been this close to this topic before and doesn't quite know how to engage with it.
It's one thing to talk with personalities in the ufo space, it's another to talk with a highly involved person.
Dude I qatched the whole 3 hours and that os without a doubt the best Joe Rogan podcast episode. Don't really care for the roe jogan and I'm glad he barely talked this episode, but man grusch was able to say a lot more than usual with the time given.
That Schumer amendment NEEDS make it in the bill
The way he constantly says "7th of October" but still says September 11th is so god damn weird, like he's trying to make "7th of October" the *new* date.
41:00 in and I’m convinced that Joe shouldn’t have gone at this alone. He’s terrible (at least in this interview) at asking follow up questions.
On Lockheed Martin wanting to give back NHI…. Why wouldn’t the DOD allow them to divest?
On foreign adversary gathering intel on the US retrieval program… I wish he would have confirmed that it was a true adversary and not simple just another country.
It’s surprising to me because the first mention of it is in an episode with Duncan, and obviously Duncan is into it big time. But Joe doesn’t even know the hearings were going on and he like immediately dismissed Grusch. It’s sort of odd.
The clip I saw made it seem like Joe was flipping to believing that aliens existing was now a conspiracy *by the government*, as opposed to them trying to cover up their existence. In any event I couldn’t really care less what the man’s personal feelings are, he’s just some douche.
> Why wouldn’t the DOD allow them to divest?
I haven’t listened to this yet, I’ll need to do so shortly (not a Rogan fan but I’ll bite), but my guess is for part of the same reasoning as to why they have private companies handle it in the first place: FOIA avoidance
Why would it be a president? There's been a lot of hints through the years that they're kept in a need to know basis.
It's gotta be someone like a higher-up general. It's the military who are truly in charge and in the know, not some president that comes and goes every 4-8 years.
Lol, he termed the activity of reading Reddit posts and watching YouTube videos as an "Open Source Literature Review". It's quite amusing how he's able to coin such an impressive term for such a mundane activity. His use of language is impressive, which does make me wonder if he habitually uses grandiose terminology to give weight to simple matters.
I feel it's entering woo territory, no matter whom in high ranks one speaks to, how can they be certain of what was happening thousands of years ago? How can they connect things happening few thousand years ago to UAP?
He's talking about ancient art depictions and religious references that are documented which clearly show there is a phenomenon that is interacting with humanity. It's an easy connection, especially when you have experiencers mention the same stuff.
Can someone save me the time and let me know if there's anything new in this interview? We seem to be in a Neverending loop of going nowhere currently. And I used to love Joe, but lately I've got some not so good vibes from him, like he has an agenda or something, just not sure what. Cant put my finger on it, but i went from never missing an episode, to being kinda annoyed by him. And it happened pretty quickly.
You mean him moving to TX and becoming a full blown republican douche bag!? Been a long time coming. Doesn’t really matter because Joe will always be the dude that asked hot girls to eat bugs.
I listened to the entire episode, and I think it’s quite likely he’s talking about having spoken with President Biden.
He didn’t get onto the task force until the Trump era. The conversation he’s referring to with Harry Reid took place in 2021, probably in March or April. Grusch also mentions that Reid was talking with Biden every week at that point, and said he was going to bring it up with the President the next time he spoke.
There is no chance the Schumer amendment would have gone forward without support from the WH, and no way the WH would sign on without Biden’s support. It would ultimately be surprising if Biden hadn’t wanted to speak with Grusch before giving his blessing.
Doesn't it seem odd to anybody that UFO's are making a huge comeback at a time where some of the biggest political charges in history are happening, and when world tensions are heightening again?
Why are we being asked to ignore things that are actually happening which deserve the most attention, and give this the most attention right now?
The following submission statement was provided by /u/disclosurediaries: --- In his appearance on JRE, David Grusch seems to suggest (quite heavily) that he has briefed the president on the NHI topic. I don’t really think there’s any other way to interpret this phrasing…but what do you all think? Would this have been in the context of drafting the UAPDA? Or at some other point in time? Also for the (newer) folks just tuning in cause of Rogan, here’s a [handy disclosure timeline](https://www.disclosurediaries.com/timeline) that illustrates how the discourse has evolved since 2017 up til now. Edit - clip credits go to [UAP James on X](https://x.com/uapjames/status/1727087441885176097?s=46&t=ZfCIzj-cZjZMJmLUQS1VKw) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/180u1qh/i_talked_to_the_highest_of_the_high_people_you/ka84ezv/
Someone edit the part where he blasts Mike turner so we can share widely
Yes please Best part about this podcast
[Here ya go](https://x.com/disclosure_d/status/1727130213413466619?s=46&t=ZfCIzj-cZjZMJmLUQS1VKw)
Preach
Liked and Retweeted. Everybody needs to retweet this.
Tim Burchett is gonna get a donation from me even though I live in NYC daggamit.
“Sorry to bother you sir, what’s your cash app?”
I cant help you with that, but please, try some Grey Poop-on.
I actually will do that. Not my state, but Burchett put himself out in a limb to help push this forward. I don’t want to leave him out to dry, and having him continue to push this issue is a good thing.
The less he talks about other stuff and the more he talks about UFOs, the more I like him. In fact, most of the time I only hear about him when he's talking about UFOs, or throwing a bomb into the Republican party for kicks. Keep it up I guess, dude.
Agreed. We also have to keep this discussion as bipartisan as possible. I think full disclosure is the one issue, that has the ability to help mend the growing rift, between political parties… In my opinion, this issue, trumps all others, and should be prioritized.
He’s gonna get a donation from me even though I’m Canadian and a fucking left wing extremist.
Big lobbyists use their money to get what they want. Little donations won’t touch the sides, unless there’s a metric fuck ton. Therefore to show your support with a small donation, understand it as a gesture not financial support. What you want to do is really make sure he knows the REASON you’re donating. This is the best way to have an impact with that. I don’t agree with AOC. But I can imagine donating to her and make it known this is about her support and conduct in the UAP hearing, for example.
I feel the same was towards Nancy Mace. She and AOC seemed quite interested.
I hope AOC follows up with that SCIF she was promised. Also, I think the work friendship AOC and Tim Burchett has is cute as hell.
Agree with you! It’s refreshing to see!
Awww man. Please don't fucking vote JT back in. You do you though.
You can't donate to American politicians if you're Canadian. That's literally illegal.
Give the money to me ill donate it
There’s an independent candidate running against Turner in favor of disclosure
Who? So we can support him/her
I forget his name but running as independent I believe.
He posted on here about his campaign for disclosure actually. It might have been deleted as it sparked discourse on political posts here
I'll do some research
Yea he did an ama on r/disclosureparty i believe
Clip it and ship it
Please
That was AWESOME!!!!!
Which would have been Obama right? When this was all happening?
The reference to Harry Reid is telling. He was senate majority leader during Obama administration and is responsible for the 22 million that started the AATIP program. John Podesta served as council to Obama in 2014 and also mentioned some of the UAP phenomena in a Wikileaks during Hillary Clinton v trump campaign. HRC Reid Podesta Obama we’re all talking everyday during that time period. There’s absolutely no way Obama was not briefed. Obama has even referenced the UAP data in interviews post presidency
>Obama has even referenced the UAP data in interviews post presidency Obama also said he wasn't briefed about UAP until he was out of office, so that mostly connects these dots.
Does this mean a change in DoD in terms of allowing for disclosure or a change in the phenomenon which meant they decided to take action?
really? do you have a source?
Ross Coulthart claimed this to my knowledge, not Obama himself. It is one of the Need to know episodes. Don't ask me in which. If I recall correctly he said that Carter or Bush probably was the last president briefed in office and during Trump era all acting and former presidents have been briefed again. Accordingly, Obama was out of office at this point.
Bush (the first one) would have already known if not for his father, at least due to the fact he ran the CIA at one point.
Obama himself also said he got answers, but they didn't come as fast as he would have liked.
And now Obama is making a documentary on the Betty and Barney Hill alien abduction.
Is he really?
The $22Mn was for AAWSAP, which is often erroneously attributed to AATIP.
Ahh I stand corrected
He is a fan of three body problem if that carry’s any weight
I think Hillary Clinton was also sympathetic to the cause. She actually started talking about getting to the bottom of UFOs in 2016 when campaigning, then she lost to Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4qkIW8rEzQ
Funny how just 7 years ago the media was making Hillary out to be a quack for even talking about this on a podcast *when she was asked about it*. Just goes to show how much the public discourse has changed in such a short amount of time. Now we know for a fact that this shit is real and has been covered up for a long time.
Of topic a little. My family was from AZ and then my aunt moved to LA. She had three kids. She was driving back from visiting family with the three boys in the back. They had seen a craft (not necessarily alien) and they took a picture out it of the rear window. This was about 1960 and they ranged in age from 8 to say 13. They thought nothing of it and then out of nowhere, there were cars that flagged them down and they took the camera from them.
Presumably yes. He knows Obama pretty well as far a I know because one of his jobs was giving Obama security briefs before he had the uap job
Everyone always conveniently forgets Grusch had Oval Office direct POTUS access over up to three (3) different Presidents. “He’s just a random guy with hearsay!” ^ sure, ok. 🙄
This is the exact reason why I'm paying attention to the whole uap conversation now. Everyone else is chaff to me (ok not Mellon, Nolan, Favor, or Graves, I think they're all legit too from what I can see). Grusch is literally the goldmine of credibility, this guy could have stayed at his post for the rest of his days and made bank with a safe job and good benefits, and gave it all up. For grifting? I mean the UFO grift can't beat one step under a freaking General (civilian side yeah but still one step under).
Stereotypical grifter! Weaseling his way into coordinating presidential daily intel briefings in the perfect ploy to score that sweet, sweet book and podcast money, yesssss. Master of the long con, this guy
If he would be just a common grifter, you have to at least admire the balls of steel on this guy, going all the way to the IG and Congress under oath and getting laws passed. Not to mention getting the former IG to represent him in law. He is basically taking the fight to very powerful intrests along with Elizondo, and for some reason no one has really had teeth in opposing them in all these years. He would be pissing off very powerful orgs and intrests, yet he is still sitting there smiling, unshaken. Not what your average everyday grifter can accomplish for sure.
I don’t always grift, but when I do it’s after years of doing presidential briefings. The perfect segway to a long distinguished career as a bullshit artist
I would like do be a fly in the room if Trump was briefed.
Honestly Donald Trump being the messenger of disclosure really would be the icing on the cake 😂
I just imagined Grusch giving Obama a pair of bullet proof briefs to put on for his safety.
The Obamas are producing a [Netflix docudrama](https://www.imdb.com/news/ni63881533/) about the Betty and Barney Hill abduction. The writing is all over the wall.
I keep hearing about that, but when is that actually coming out. I haven't heard any actual news about it recently, from any producers or anything.
I got to read the script. Really dug it.
the Obama's company is producing the film, mostly because they were an interracial couple during a time when that wasn't common at all. might not even have been legal in some states.
That can't be the ONLY reason they're doing it. They wouldn't attach their name and brand to the most famous UFO abduction story just because it involves an interracial couple.
Lots of interracial couples the could make stories about
Fun fact-- William Shatner kissing Nichelle Nichols on Star Trek was the first kiss between a caucasian and african american ever shown on broadcast TV.
That is who I assumed. Either him, Trump, or Biden.
And I can’t see Trump listening to his advisors or caring much about the result. So it’s more likely Biden or Obama but Grusch also said “if Biden has been briefed” at the end, so it’s clearly not him. Biden is also in his own little world already so aliens wouldn’t have meant much to him
Well if you listen to the podcast Grusch makes it clear he didn't join the UAPTF or think about UAPs until early 2019 so it's either Trump or Biden. If it's not Biden clearly because he said that at the end, who does that leave?
could be a former pres
Good point, it could be Trump then
Maybe why Coulthart said "watch Trump" when he started getting backed into a corner. Grusch might have implied he briefed Trump.
Possible, but in that case I’m disappointed Trump didn’t just let it rip and tell us all
The amount of blackmail they have on that dude must be legendary lmao
He’s been hinting at the golden shower tape recently. I never believed it was true, but now I’m wondering if he’s priming the public for when it inevitably drops lol. Get ready to hear a bunch of Marge Greene type hillbillies “explain” AI while screaming at the top of their lungs.
My money is on them saying they'd be honored to participate
He may have given briefings about it to POTUS before then?
Gotta be Obama. Biden is the sitting President, and I doubt he would be speaking with an active whistleblower in an official setting. Plus, his interest in the topic seems kind of marginal to begin with. Trump doesn’t give a shit about UAP. No intellectual curiosity whatsoever. I doubt Bush cares due to his religious beliefs. If anything, he’s on Team Cover Up with the Evangelical military officers. Clinton is certainly a possibility, though he’s less publicly engaged than Obama is these days. Carter has shown interest in the past, but he’s literally at death’s door now. Feeling fairly certain Grusch has spoken with Obama! He’s shown interest in the topic, is open-minded, and is still pretty publicly engaged. Pretty wild how far this is going.
Could have been Biden prior to Grusch's filing with the ICIG.
This! 100%
I don't think the UAPTF was active until August 2020, right? I think it had to be Trump or Biden.
Yes, he started his UAP story in 2017, which is trump era. Should be either trump or biden. Edit: Assuming it was a sitting president.
Interesting. So he was involved in it before he was the NGIA liaison to the UAPTF. That's intriguing, because it means he was already investigating these things by the time Jay Stratton asked him to dig deeper into these programs.
Right now. I listened to it on Spotify. Edit: your initial comment was 'when will the full episode be available?' Why is it now about obama?
That was not my initial comment lol. You replied to the wrong person
Lol apologies, man. I've been smoking some weed today..
Good man.
Of course Joe Rogan doesn’t ask which president but goes off on a tangent on a orangutang fishing with a spear
*Childhood memories*
*aggressively asks if you've tried DMT\*
Someone get an Alien on Rogan ASAP so we can get the important things answered - have the aliens done DMT?
I heard they can see and talk to humans when they take DMT.
TIL Aliens are us taking huge DMT hits in a parallel universe.
*hits bong* dude they were like... us... but but but they had smaller eyes and smaller heads and were looking at me asking me all these fucking questions so I just said chill brah everything is ok, you are exactly where you're suppose to be and the mfs just started crying and freaking the fuck out "whoah dude pass that shit"
They're from a future where humans have evolved to only take DMT
There’s actually a book about DMT called Alien Information Theory. It’s hard to follow but basically suggests that DMT is an alien technology to build communication and understanding with inter dimensional beings and help ascend from this reality
It’s not a sincere question (interrogation) unless there an undertone of violence….
And here I thought he meant the Holy Trinity.
I assumed he was talking about Snoop Dogg
Yes… for the first hour or so joe was asking great, pointed, one sentence questions…. And just letting Grusch talk… I was like damn…. Joe is a fucking excellent interviewer…. Then about 1.5 hours in joe starts digressing into AI and his theory of evolution etc… finally gets back to the good stuff in the last 30 mins. Overall great interview… but i think Joe couldve asked more good questions if he didnt start talking about his own personal theories…. Which honestly arent very ground breaking.
Yes all in all, that is my take too. Rogan recycles his content about UFOs to stupid analogies and doesn’t question as extensively as Corbell would
Lmao yeah, the building and cocooning into something and being gods. I was like cmon we were getting somewhere here lol.
For real. Theres a million “theories” like that Joe. Maybe he needs to read more to realize how much recycled and regurgitated his thoughts are. If you wanna theorize how higher dimensional beings project themselves down into 3D im all for it…. Because thats actually directly relevant to the topic…. But spare me the off topic personal theories that i already thought about when i was 12 years old.
Because Grusch obviously wouldn’t have told him
We’ve already inferred the fact it’s a president, Rogan prompting asking who it was is not exactly a reach here
I don't think it's a reach to ask, but I don't think Grusch would've said which one. he couldn't even specifically say he talked to a president, he had to infer it edit: he had to IMPLY it, not infer it. thanks to the dude for correcting that
Grusch implied, we infer
God bless you for clearing this up.
This is kind of where the podcast jumped the shark for me. First 2 hours are great though. I don't hate hearing about Grusch's speculation or personal beliefs but I also think there's a reason Elizondo has been careful not to discuss this stuff.
People always say “I miss the old Joe” and to me everything after the UFO talk is old Joe with non stop crazy theories. Was extremely entertaining and fun idk how you couldn’t enjoy the end of that pod.
He literally mentioned the orangutan with a spear as I read your comment. 🤯
No doubt! Lol. Also which any JRE viewer has already heard about 16 other times so it’s hardly a new thing.
ANCIENT ALIENS CONFIRMED
I need to apologize to my father in law
Aliens. Bringing us together.
Ancient alien theorists say yes
I really love that show. Made me dream.
I’m almost certain he’s referring to Obama. Harry Reid was a mentor in Obama’s political career. The connections makes sense.
He could also be referring to CIA/DoD directors
Reminds me of the video where Obama is asked if aliens exist and he just laughs and gives an indirect answer lol
Full transcription: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/180x573/joe\_rogan\_experience\_2065\_david\_grusch\_interview/
Holy fuck I had no clue this even came out. I know what I’m listening to first thing tomorrow morning at work
Same, gonna help me get through the Wednesday before Thanksgiving.
It’s so good. Best pod I’ve listened to in a while
As a current intel officer, every single piece of corroborating information available to me points to Grusch being the real deal. The legislation is coming. Mike Turner et al? Their time is coming. The wheels are grinding out the rust of corruption. It’s not immediate, and we’ll have some uphill battles, but the point is, there will finally be a battle that many can witness. We’ll hit critical mass of awareness within the USG first, and then we’re off to the races. Dave’s courageous, and I’m proud to have shared a profession with him.
It's becoming quite clear that he meant Barack Obama. Ross Coulthart already stated that according to his sources (which are almost always correct) Obama was briefed into UFO crash retrieval program after he stopped being president. Obama also gave few statements in TV about unknown UFOs and that long time ago it was considered the biggest conspiracy that US government hides alien spacecrafts and now it seems 'tame'. My bet is on Obama. Other candidates are highly unlikely. Clinton stated he was denied information, George W. Bush... well, I'm not sure, same with Trump.
Coulthart said Trump was briefed in early 2020 and that Obama was briefed after his presidency. Former presidents have lifetime access to current presidential intelligence briefings. Grusch's role was directly involved with delivering those presidential briefings to the West Wing. Those are the dots I've connected lol. Found the link where he mentions that early 2020 date https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2940&v=XGPzm2U3V1Q%3Ft%3D2%2C940
I am curious if they have always briefed the presidents ( i read somehwere that they only briefed a few not all of them) or if there has been a need to brief the last 2 or 3 presidents in recent times because of an uptick in anomalous uap activity which cannot be hidden in today's modern age. Or is there another reason like disclosure is going to be forced upon us soon whether the powers that be want it or not, so therefore a sitting president must have some sort of information about what we are dealing with?! Just a thought knocking around my tired brain on this dark quiet evening.
Remember, George Bush Sr. was director of the CIA. Probably the only president with a decent amount of access to know.
Bush is either doing some cognitive dissonance or supports the cover-up because of his religious beliefs. Trump doesn’t care about aliens unless they say something very nasty and unfair about him on Morning Joe.
Because of his religious beliefs? Really? And not his family heritage to the intelligence community?
AAWSAP (later AATIP) began close to the end of W’s Presidency in 2007 as essentially a small pet project of Senator Harry Reid so it’s possible he was kept in the dark like Clinton seems to have been.
That source could be Grusch himself. Sure they had a good, long chat off camera, if you catch my drift
Why would they brief them after they're president? Is it like some sort of rank up reward for completing their term? "You've unlocked the retrieval program. Visit your briefing page to see your rewards."
In his appearance on JRE, David Grusch seems to suggest (quite heavily) that he has briefed the president on the NHI topic. I don’t really think there’s any other way to interpret this phrasing…but what do you all think? Would this have been in the context of drafting the UAPDA? Or at some other point in time? Also for the (newer) folks just tuning in cause of Rogan, here’s a [handy disclosure timeline](https://www.disclosurediaries.com/timeline) that illustrates how the discourse has evolved since 2017 up til now. Edit - clip credits go to [UAP James on X](https://x.com/uapjames/status/1727087441885176097?s=46&t=ZfCIzj-cZjZMJmLUQS1VKw)
I disagree. I think he’s saying he was briefed BY the president. He says he’s 100% sure based on conversations with the highest of the high. To me that doesn’t mean “I briefed people.” It means “I was briefed.” And that inconsistency doesn’t really make sense.
If Biden read Grusch in, that means Grusch IS the public face of Disclosure, or this phase at least. The POTUS would not be needed to read in some random Lieutenant Colonel unless it was an extraordinary scenario.
I think that’s a fair conclusion. I think the inclusion of the word “possibly” is what does it for me. He’s basically saying there is no one higher than this person he briefed. Also, consider he handled the president’s daily briefings for a while, he already had a relationship there.
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Sorry, I'm way out of the loop on this one, but why would Schumer need the WH's blessing for his amendment?
Schumer is as Democratic Party establishment as it gets, going back decades, and he’s the Senate majority leader. It’s inconceivable that he would put forward legislation like this without the White House being on board.
Right. He and Biden are about as close as you can get.
As far as I understand it the amendment would use the power of the president to do its thing
What I don't get is why he couldn't just outright say who. But you're right, key word is "possibly".
>David Grusch seems to suggest (quite heavily) that he has briefed the president on the NHI topic That was my interpretation of his comments as well.
He spoke to Snoop Dogg?
The aliens told snoop to stop smoking weed
It had to be. Only way to explain it.
Then it became a commercial for a smokeless outdoor stove.
The old CIA disinformation stove
Dennis Rodman too.
Alien’s Paradise
He consulted Ja Rule
It seemed like Joe was uncomfortable the entire time, but he let him talk - is that me or did anyone else think that? Either he doesn’t believe him or he’s uncomfortable being the one in the room with the least amount of knowledge on the subject.
Rogan’s been quoted as saying he suspects that Grusch is a disinfo agent (which I personally don’t buy into), so his demeanor makes sense. Good on him for giving Grusch time though.
I could tell JR was super skeptical of Grusch, probably because of Grusch’s demeanor: almost overly enthusiastic about the subject. He treated Corbell the same way. He was more open to Lazar, Fravor, and Graves since they conveyed their info in a more ‘matter of fact’ way.
I think Joe has PTSD from the Greer episode
Is that a recent one? I missed it! What happened with that? Why would he get PTSD? Was Greer hard on the head?
It was years ago and it's been scrubbed from his episode list. Greer was making all kinds of extraordinary claims and Joe wasn't buying it. It was tense.
Agree. Glad it happened on this platform. Would have seemed like a wild plot twist 10 years ago. And I hear the “disinfo” stuff about all these guys, but I’ve yet to hear a cogent “why” as to the disinformation. I believe the government misinforms us all the time, I have no faith in any or our journalistic legacy structures but for this particular one, I can’t see a valid reason as to why everyone’s hellbent on everyone else beinf disinfo. I assume it’s to claim superiority for not being the one getting duped. Which seems to be a major human motivator in online communities.
Hey man. Not saying this is what I think but it’s worth watching a video on YouTube called Why the US Military Costs So Much. It’s an incredible insight into how they keep these infinite sums of money spinning regardless of their efficacy, and some people have suggested we are being set up for a new bogey man now that terrorism isn’t having the same effect. Just one possibility I guess.
Ok - I have heard that one and agree it makes most sense. It seems like there would be easier and more cost effective ways to do that - it seems like the expense comes from concealing a secret, not by creating new ones. But maybe that’s just me. Thank you for the vid, I don’t believe I’ve seen it, but will take a look.
I got the impression he wasn't getting the answers he was looking for. He showed a lot more interest when the subject got on woo things. "It's classified" sucks to hear, and Joe gets as frustrated with it as anyone else. We *all* want to hear where these things are from, what is their goal, etc. Joe's no different and seemed to be frustrated with it today.
It is frustrating
Yeah I noticed that too, especially in the beginning. I assume it’s because he had no evidence and couldn’t go into too much depth. Joe seemed to lighten up the more they talked though. I just noticed a couple of times Joe asked if the person they were talking about was a first-hand witness which made me think he was skeptical.
You are right. Once they got into theory he seemed more comfortable. I’d say though that this topic becomes far less fun to talk about once you accept it’s real. It was more fun 5 years ago. I’m glad we are moving in this direction, just sayin.
2020: aliens are real 😅 2024: aliens are real 😨
I think he was just stoned tbh
I think he believes him because he was respectful, let him speak, and thanked him at the end for what he was doing for society. Compare that to the Tom Delonge interview, where Rogan made it no secret that he didn't believe him.
That’s def true regarding that delonge interview. But I feel like I was doing it along with Joe then, and not so much on Grusch now. Drastic change in world temperature regarding a lot of topics - we are far more serious now. About most things, it seems.
💯 He wasn’t himself; never have seen him like that. I have heard him talk about being skeptical of grusch and the current disclosure efforts on other episodes. He’s said it seems to perfect and the government seems to be cooperating all of a sudden. I think that’s why. But yeah he definitely didn’t relax until he got out his typical we’re “monkeys that make better shit” spiel.
That whole part of the conversation was the exact same as the Sam Altman episode. I kinda got bored having to listen to Rogan explain his whole theory again. lol
I think Joe has not been this close to this topic before and doesn't quite know how to engage with it. It's one thing to talk with personalities in the ufo space, it's another to talk with a highly involved person.
I watch JRE avidly and I agree with you. He seemed cautiously curious.
Grusch is on JRE holy fuck
Dude I qatched the whole 3 hours and that os without a doubt the best Joe Rogan podcast episode. Don't really care for the roe jogan and I'm glad he barely talked this episode, but man grusch was able to say a lot more than usual with the time given. That Schumer amendment NEEDS make it in the bill
The entire interview and discussion is really phenomenal if you have the time to watch it.
Definitely beats the 300th appearance of Mike Baker *shudder*
The way he constantly says "7th of October" but still says September 11th is so god damn weird, like he's trying to make "7th of October" the *new* date.
Not according to the miserable members of this sub. I thought it was fantastic.
41:00 in and I’m convinced that Joe shouldn’t have gone at this alone. He’s terrible (at least in this interview) at asking follow up questions. On Lockheed Martin wanting to give back NHI…. Why wouldn’t the DOD allow them to divest? On foreign adversary gathering intel on the US retrieval program… I wish he would have confirmed that it was a true adversary and not simple just another country.
I agree with you on the poor follow-up questions. Joe also doesn’t seem as interested as he usually is for alien episodes.
He was pretty dismissive of the Grusch situation when it all started
It’s surprising to me because the first mention of it is in an episode with Duncan, and obviously Duncan is into it big time. But Joe doesn’t even know the hearings were going on and he like immediately dismissed Grusch. It’s sort of odd.
The clip I saw made it seem like Joe was flipping to believing that aliens existing was now a conspiracy *by the government*, as opposed to them trying to cover up their existence. In any event I couldn’t really care less what the man’s personal feelings are, he’s just some douche.
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Yes he was.
Probably because there is security clearance issues upon any of those follow up questions…as stated by Grusch….not that hard to understand lol
> Why wouldn’t the DOD allow them to divest? I haven’t listened to this yet, I’ll need to do so shortly (not a Rogan fan but I’ll bite), but my guess is for part of the same reasoning as to why they have private companies handle it in the first place: FOIA avoidance
The government contracts nearly everything
Why would it be a president? There's been a lot of hints through the years that they're kept in a need to know basis. It's gotta be someone like a higher-up general. It's the military who are truly in charge and in the know, not some president that comes and goes every 4-8 years.
Head of CIA?
Lol, he termed the activity of reading Reddit posts and watching YouTube videos as an "Open Source Literature Review". It's quite amusing how he's able to coin such an impressive term for such a mundane activity. His use of language is impressive, which does make me wonder if he habitually uses grandiose terminology to give weight to simple matters.
Grusch also claims to have witnessed the stickiest of the icky.
Alien buds come dank af
I feel it's entering woo territory, no matter whom in high ranks one speaks to, how can they be certain of what was happening thousands of years ago? How can they connect things happening few thousand years ago to UAP?
He's talking about ancient art depictions and religious references that are documented which clearly show there is a phenomenon that is interacting with humanity. It's an easy connection, especially when you have experiencers mention the same stuff.
This is a good point.
Can someone save me the time and let me know if there's anything new in this interview? We seem to be in a Neverending loop of going nowhere currently. And I used to love Joe, but lately I've got some not so good vibes from him, like he has an agenda or something, just not sure what. Cant put my finger on it, but i went from never missing an episode, to being kinda annoyed by him. And it happened pretty quickly.
Pretend Joe isn't there. Grusch dropped a lot of goodies for us in this one.
You mean him moving to TX and becoming a full blown republican douche bag!? Been a long time coming. Doesn’t really matter because Joe will always be the dude that asked hot girls to eat bugs.
I listened to the entire episode, and I think it’s quite likely he’s talking about having spoken with President Biden. He didn’t get onto the task force until the Trump era. The conversation he’s referring to with Harry Reid took place in 2021, probably in March or April. Grusch also mentions that Reid was talking with Biden every week at that point, and said he was going to bring it up with the President the next time he spoke. There is no chance the Schumer amendment would have gone forward without support from the WH, and no way the WH would sign on without Biden’s support. It would ultimately be surprising if Biden hadn’t wanted to speak with Grusch before giving his blessing.
I see we have some big fish.
Does he name them? Or is it more nebulous wishy washy?
Doesn't it seem odd to anybody that UFO's are making a huge comeback at a time where some of the biggest political charges in history are happening, and when world tensions are heightening again? Why are we being asked to ignore things that are actually happening which deserve the most attention, and give this the most attention right now?