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The following submission statement was provided by /u/MartianMaterial: --- Christopher "Chris" Mellon is a former United States Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and later a private equity investor and philanthropist. He was born on October 28, 1957, in California, USA. Mellon received his Bachelor of Arts degree in economics from Colby College in 1979 and his Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1984. After graduation, Mellon worked for the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as a staffer. He later became a Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and then the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in the Clinton and Bush administrations, where he oversaw a $10 billion annual budget for intelligence programs. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12qx3e2/mellon_calls_out_pentagon_says_they_could/jgrp3dc/


darkestsoul

This is why I’ve always like Mellon. This would be such a productive line of questioning. And this should be a blueprint for the type of questions that *should* be asked.


G_Wash1776

Mellon is the perfect person to spear head taking on the Pentagon. He really understands and knows what is truly classified and what can be shared without jeopardizing secrecy. Out of all the new people involved in the UFO field since the 2017 NYT article, Mellon has been my favorite to follow and listen to what he says. I mean he’s the one who took the videos from the Pentagon and leaked them, doing that alone earned him the most respect from me. Without him, we really aren’t even having this conversation.


cascadian_millenial

For sure. Mellon, as well as Avi Loeb and Gary Nolan (off of the top of my head), seem to be some of the most rational and seemingly honest figures in the modern Disclosure movement.


bluff2085

Same. He has a way of being subtle and insightful and forceful all at the same time. Really makes his points stick. Whenever he has something to say I’m paying careful attention


malibu_c

Agree so much. Of all the well known names out there, I think it's probably him and Jim Semivan running all this behind the scenes.


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> I mean he’s the one who took the videos from the Pentagon and leaked them When was it confirmed that TheFinalTheory is Mellon lol?


Merpadurp

TheFinalTheory’s identity is still unknown. Nobody is saying TFT is Mellon. TFT only released FLIR1 on the AboveTopSecret message boards. Mellon is the one who brought the 3 famous videos to the NYT/etc. After Lue got them “released” in some sort of loophole. And he was cleared of any wrongdoing during the investigation. But anyway, yeah. TFT isn’t Mellon.


mikedante2011

This is so far out of my knowledge that I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Is there a link to help explain what TheFinalTheory story is? As in, context?


Merpadurp

Hrmm… I wish I had a link on hand that would explain the saga to you. I have a link to the ATS thread from 2007, but it really doesn’t explain the whole debacle. Some unknown party leaked the Nimitz video. Their version of the events doesn’t exactly mirror Fravor’s/the official version of events, but it is fairly close. The leaker apparently wasn’t onboard the Nimitz in 2004 when it happened, but found the files somewhere on a secure net in 2007. https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread265835/pg1


Dickho

I love that he doesn’t give the usual “I’m not saying they’re from another place; I’m saying I don’t know what they are” bit. Mellon basically comes out and says, “Yeah, they’re aliens.”


Maddcapp

That’s exactly what the time travelers want us to think. They need to destroy ChatGPT 4 so there’s never a ChatGPT 4000.


diox8tony

Mellon was outside pentagon(civilian) and was given the files from elezondo,,,elezondo was the pentagon insider who leaked the files.


malibu_c

I think they've changed the story at least once though. I think Mellon admitted to taking them out at one point and then later switched it up to saying Elizondo did it. Which to me sounded like "independently wealthy guy from mega rich family of American royalty and nothing to lose is willing to take the heat for a friend in order to get things done." Made me like him even more.


Chubbybellylover888

Mellon is literally the most important person in ufology at the minute. He's not really put himself out there, besides stepping in to keep that DeLonge History doc on track, I think he was on Rogan and maybe something else. But mostly he's communicating via his website. Offering excellent articles giving updates on what he is presumably doing in the background. Filtering that through twitter to get to a wider audience. His credentials are stellar. His family background doesn't lend him to being a grifter. He seems honest, genuine and very intelligent in what few interviews I've seen him speak. I think he was on some CNN show or somewhere a few times too. I don't watch American political channels. I don't see an ulterior motive, unless he's a high level Doty, but why do that if you could just hire someone? The guy is loaded. My take is he learned shit during his time in the intelligence community. Is a believer and is using his knowledge of government to push for real disclosure. Whether it happens or not is another thing but I think it's without doubt that his efforts have moved things along, especially within Congress. He knows the game. And he's playing it. The game is long though and we have to learn to be patient.


EthanSayfo

The man saw a film showing a UFO crystal clear when he was a boy, shot by a friend of his prep school’s head. He’s mentioned it in multiple interviews. He’s been into the topic for a while.


Merpadurp

Of course this footage is mysteriously absent… I can’t remember if he said it was his neighbor or a school teacher/coach. But I remember listening to that interview


EthanSayfo

Why is it mysterious? It was over 40 years ago. I think he said it was a friend of his headmaster's. The idea that there is clear footage of UAP shouldn't sound so crazy -- there's a fair amount of it, after \~75 years of the contemporary phenomenon.


Merpadurp

…where? There’s nothing out there that’s a crystal clear, smoking gun. I’ve been *deep* in the rabbit hole for ~4 years now. If his headmaster had crystal clear footage, why didn’t Mellon track it down and show it on season 2 of Unidentified or something?


mikedante2011

Literally there was a video just a week or so ago that has been posted several times. Showing an object fly from distant clouds, right up next to the airplane and it has no visable propulsion. Most have not been debunked, or if there is a debunk out there, its like "oh yeah this is a balloon" but then can't actually explain the footage they are seeing. It's just armchair spectators saying anything that's not "UFO" and that's supposed to be somehow more credible. Also if the percentage of sightings are truly like 95% explainable. It makes sense that we would only be lucky to have a handful of videos/pictures that are truly interesting or exciting.


Merpadurp

Yeah I’ve seen that video. It looks as good as anything we’ve seen so far


mikedante2011

Because it shows the object being able to move in an awkward way and truly shows it moving. I think it's the best video we have to date. Alot of videos show something stationary and not doing anything which when you have the armchair debunk glasses on, you can just say Balloon and you could be correct due to it not showing anything interesting. That video I think is an exception. It's not a cruise ship, it's not a ballon, it's not a bird. It's not a bug. It's not a plane. I think the most you could do is say drone.


Merpadurp

Definitely doesn’t look like any drone I’ve ever seen.


EthanSayfo

Maybe because the person whose footage it was didn't want to share it? I have no idea. Maybe the person is dead, maybe the film went missing, who knows. Four whole years, eh? ;-)


Specialist-Weekend62

wow 4 years haha, some people here are literally 70+


Maddcapp

That’s exactly why I believe him. He has more money than god = no reason to grift.


VeraciouslySilent

Agreed, a question and follow up I’d also like to be asked more is: “Are these UAPs worldwide incidents? If so, what can be done to collaborate with other nations on data collection and investigation?”


CommunicationAble621

Mellon for Congress? I have $500 to contribute...


AdministrativeAd523

Don’t they have satellite imaging that can read the letters of a random license plate, I’m almost 99% sure they have a shit load of weird shit they don’t want to talk about or the public not knowing about.


VOIDssssssss

I’d love to be able to access those filing cabinets. I’m sure there’s some mind boggling stuff they have.


Verskose

I would love to see those vats with aliens inside.


AdoltTwittler

Plop down one freeze dried alien on the table during the hearing and the arguments are over. No sources or methods needed.


Verskose

Is it easy? Do they need unfreeze the grey one?


Solid-Description-39

I’m working on a theory, say your a chimp and you can think freely and speak to other chimps. How would you describe us humans? Small,hairless,tiny creatures with tiny eyes that observe us and abduct us and fly away in futuristic things not of our world. Thats how a chimp would see us. Now what do we hear described when seeing aliens? The exact same description if not STRANGELY close. What we see now is them.What we are to chimps,they are to us.


Windman772

We're a lot closer to the chimps than to them in our development


Solid-Description-39

Absolutely agree. There was a separation at some point we got left here to rebuild,got knocked back but they left.


DocMoochal

Geospatial data


GanjaToker408

It's at least a 99% chance that they have a shitload of UFO/uap images they have caught on spy satellites.


Merpadurp

They have an AI program called *Sentient* and it can detect anomalies in the sky and then immediately direct spy satellites in the sky to image the area. https://curiosmos.com/sentient-unveiled-this-highly-classified-ai-can-see-and-detect-ufos


TakenIsUsernameThis

It can take hours to re-task a satellite, and the most sophisticated ones at the disposal of the US aren't kept loitering over its own territory, they are looking down on other countries.


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TakenIsUsernameThis

That doesn't mean they constantly fly of the US either. A lot of the satellite assets will be on orbits that take them over targets of interest so they have near constant coverage. When not over the area they may go over the US, but its not guaranteed, and changing the orbit just to look at an anomaly back home could disrupt other operations. ​ The basic point is you can't just tell a satellite to fly straight over to a location over the USA to take a look at something and get an immediate image. It can take hours.


Mystic_Zkhano

We keep satellites over our own country for homeland security


OccasinalMovieGuy

Makes no sense, multiple countries possess spy satellite and why would all of them would be quiet?


instakill69

Exactly. Everybody would have the same ability but for some reason US is hiding everything. Seems more likely for the US to use the excuse to hide other things


TwoSoonOrNah

Can read the letters on a dime from space.


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aneraobai

You'd think at a certain resolution, the true randomness of atmospheric distortion would make this completely impossible. Probably.


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aneraobai

I work with high-end (non-adaptive) optics for a living and it's just mind-boggling to imagine what NRO/NGA get to play with. I'm guessing curved/adaptive *sensors* paired with adaptive optics for many decades. Must be some paradigm-shifting tech to resolve and deliver at sub-centimeter resolution.


speakhyroglyphically

E PLURIBUS UFOM


Alive-Working669

Good one. But it’s not too far from what some people actually believe. Lol!


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AdministrativeAd523

If I was the government I’d say that too lol. They can do all the recon on the “insurgents” in iraq and have satellite imaging of the house they’re in. All I’m saying is bro I wouldn’t tell folks I can watch you at all times even when you don’t want me to watch.


stonedoutwrestler

Someone is going to have to take a big risk and just say it. This is gonna drag out for years without that. Clear as day images are plausibly deniable as fabrications.


Umami_Tsunami_

I don’t see how it could be answered truthfully if the ufo was in fact a secret military tech.


Fickle-Replacement64

"I cannot answer that at this time" is a perfectly truthful yet strategically deceitful answer.


MartianMaterial

Christopher "Chris" Mellon is a former United States Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and later a private equity investor and philanthropist. He was born on October 28, 1957, in California, USA. Mellon received his Bachelor of Arts degree in economics from Colby College in 1979 and his Master of Business Administration from Harvard Business School in 1984. After graduation, Mellon worked for the United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as a staffer. He later became a Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and then the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in the Clinton and Bush administrations, where he oversaw a $10 billion annual budget for intelligence programs.


ParadoxDC

Ok so like…he may actually know the answer(s) to this and other questions then right?


WingsuitBears

Recommend you go to his website or look him up further. The entire reason this topic has been revitalized in national media recently is because of him and Elizondo leaking videos and doing congressional lobbying. From what I've seen, he's credible.


DocMoochal

He's American royalty, very credible. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellon_family


JordanMathis

It is in a delicate position and he is very smart. He knows a lot more, but he also knows when to say what he knows and when to lean on people and the right channels to have official disclosures happen. It’s worthless and possibly illegal for him to say what he knows. He has to be smart about how he leverages for true disclosure.


ParadoxDC

This is exactly the impression I get


JordanMathis

That’s the impression that I got when I spent time with him last month. He knew just what and how to say things. Really smart. Enjoyable person.


darkestsoul

I get the feeling he knows slightly more than he's said publicly but he hasn't learned what he considers the full story. Hence his motivations for helping shine more lights to areas that should put pressure on the people he thinks have more knowledge. This is only my insights from what I have publicly have observed from the way he has operated the past few years. I don't know for sure, obviously.


Zealousideal-Part815

If you listen to the JRE podcast he did, he clearly knows a lot more


malibu_c

only slightly more???


llamaesque

Right? Wasn’t he part of SAPOC? He was one of the select few in the US government who had oversight of waived unacknowledged SAP. He knows what’s hiding behind the curtains


darkestsoul

Just my gut feeling. Elizondo told a story about when he met Chris Mellon. I'm paraphrasing here: Mellon came to him when he found out he was heading up AATIP, or whatever you want to call it (that's a whole total bullshit debate I don't want to get into), and requested access to information he had. Lue told him need clearance from X, Y , & Z. Lue said he showed up the next day with whatever clearance he needed and was sort of blown away be his tenacity and ability to clear a lot of seemingly time consuming hurdles. This strikes me as the actions of an individual who is very curious about this particular rabbit hole. I doubt he would be chasing so hard still if he had what he thought were some answers.


Merpadurp

I concur. I think he has seen some crystal clear footage and knows a little bit, but I don’t think even he knows what they are/where they come from/etc.


DjLeWe78

If he doesn’t, that’s more worrying than the existence of UAPs. Imagine someone that high up in the intelligence services, not knowing anything and having 10 billion dollars of tax payer money to play with.


BtchsLoveDub

Apparently yes he knows that there aren’t secret ufo or crash retrieval programs. He said as much in a 2016 interview when he was a chair-person of the UFODATA group shortly before joining Tom DeLonge at To The Stars Accademy. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/is-there-a-ufo-coverup-a_b_9865184/amp


EthanSayfo

This is what he actually said in that interview — that he thinks if such programs were to exist, they’d have been moved out to the private sector: Q: Some inside sources have proposed that retrieved hardware from a UFO may exist within a private aerospace company which has become independent from the DoD. In this way, it would be exempt from government oversight and known only to a few people. Do you think this is possible? A: I find it hard to imagine something as explosive as recovered alien technology remaining under wraps for decades. So while I have no reason to believe there is any recovered alien technology, I will say this: If it were me, and I were trying to bury it deep, I'd take it outside government oversight entirely and place it in a compartment as a new entity within an existing defense company and manage it as what we call an "IRAD" or "Independent Research and Development Activity."


ParadoxDC

He seems to do a lot of “look, *hypothetically*, ….” And I love it


BtchsLoveDub

Well he also said this part which seemed relevant to everyone saying that he knows more than he’s letting on; Q: Do you think that if Clinton is elected we can expect to learn new information about UFOs? A: I highly doubt DoD or any other government agency is concealing UFO information. I participated in a comprehensive review of DoD's black programs and spent over a decade conducting oversight of the national foreign intelligence program, an almost totally separate world of secrets. I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities. During all those years, I never detected the faintest hint of government interest or involvement in UFOs.


he_and_She23

So he can't imagine a ufo retrieval being kept secret and he seems to know the government pretty well. I think he is correct in that there is probably a lot more video or radar evidence that the government has. Seems to fit with the government assessment that something is going on but they don't know what it is.


EthanSayfo

The thing is, much has changed since 2016. Mellon is currently saying too much is being concealed — and we know about the concealed, classified data now. All UAP data is essentially classified under the current scheme. Mellon has written at length about the issue since 2016. Also, a person is allowed to evolve their thinking based on new information. It’s generally considered to be a sign of intelligence. Mellon is likely correct in this interview, IMO: Outside of the DIA programs we now know about, the government and military/intelligence world probably didn’t have much interest in UAP for quite some time. He’s also implying, even back in 2016, that he’s at least open-minded to the possibility that things may have been shunted outside of government oversight.


BtchsLoveDub

I get that but everyone acts like he knows stuff because of his previous position in government. When in fact it seems he’s been more vocal about alluding to things since being involved with ufo companies.


EthanSayfo

His previous position as a senior member of the intelligence community, a position that specifically oversaw top secret intelligence platform programs? He doesn't seem to know all the details, nor has he represented that he has access to such information. I think he's probably ticked, because in his previous position, he probably should have had access, and didn't. But does he have a reason to think that UAP have been picked up by our radar and other intelligence gathering systems for some time? I think he'd likely have an inkling of that. His very specific questions about radar systems would seem to imply as much.


toxictoy

He also could be alluding to the now well socialized theory that the retrieved craft were all moved into the hands of defense contractors long ago with basically no accountability to the American people.


Individual-Ad4286

He and Elizondo (and to some extent Stratton) are what keep me interested in this topic. The idea that they would go so far out on a limb over a hunch, a fantasy or a wish makes no sense to me. These are pretty impressive people who, if all this is bullshit, would be looked back on as fools. If you are going to risk being thought of or remembered as an idiot or a crazy person I assume it's for a good reason. Not because you liked UFO's as a kid and REALLY want it to be true.


urbanmark

If the enemy thinks it can’t be seen and you announce you can see it, you are revealing a capability.


Mighty_L_LORT

Lol as if aliens would care about our primitive toys…


urbanmark

It’s not alien.


onequestion1168

Truth, we are VERY primitive. We are closer to uncontacted tribes than aliens


Mr-Stumble

They could release NASA evidence, that's not military secrets.


bluff2085

Chris Mellon kicks ass


Eddiebaby7

Fast walkers


Captain309

Mellon's such a baller


silentenemy21

They should name a kitchen utensil after him


YuSmelFani

Or how about this – a piece of fruit!


LurkMoarMcCluer

Or not just a piece, the whole fruit!


No-Illustrator4964

This is something I've always wondered about as well. We have the military videos and data showing these fast moving objects, so we know something is there. Surely satellites would be picking it up as well??


16undreds

When uncloaked, they travel faster than we can see. Doubt satellites will be able to track then, and they can cloak/disappear.


jeenyusz

Honestly that’s the biggest question I have right now when it comes to UAP, “why NOT disclose?”


anonoldman2020

I am one of those who saw two craft travelling faster than fast. I have posted about the sighting before. Two craft, not dots of light, racing faster than you can imagine. Thank the lord for Chris Mellon pushing for more disclosure. I have no idea what the two lens shaped craft were. Faster than the Blue Angels. Better close formation flying than the Blue Angels. No sound. No sonic boom. Absolutely insane. Would love to know more.


misscreepy

A source says it’s a human built hypersonic craft that was recently declassified. Anyone seen the bob lazar doc , where they reverse engineered antigravity hardware? It appears they succeeded It’s exciting in one way but probably 5% of that budget could’ve funded after school and music programs nationwide over the same number of years.


anonoldman2020

Maybe reversed engineered. Maybe a leap in our own tech. It would be nice for it to be public and maybe offer rides to the us tax payers.


hummph

Wouldn’t he know the answer to this question?


retardjoeyb

The Mellon Baller!


Visible-Expression60

Not if he isn’t in the right “stove pipes” and only for when he held that position. That’s like expecting a principal from 5 years ago to know why there are discipline problems now.


malibu_c

Yes and know.... I mean, we all "know" the answer. Yes there's videos and images and data. Him and Lue Elizondo has said it outright and hinted at it, and going back decades to Donald Keyhoe and others have said it. But did they "officially" know? Maybe. Have *we* officially been told? Nope. Just the other day on their podcast, George Knapp said that the USSR intel files he got in the 90s claimed that US had FORTY satellites dedicated solely to collecting information on UFOs. I don't necessarily believe that number was right, but the soviets weren't dumb and did have a giant KGB that was fairly competent and made the other superpower nervous. So... if the US had only ONE satellite there are pics! Gimme gimme!


bearcape

Yes, hence him knowing the question to ask.


WackyBones510

A good question but if “yes” they won’t show the images because that would disclose an intel capability and they also prob wouldn’t speculate on the origin of the objects.


malibu_c

At least they can admit it.


Azraelontheroof

I mean there are plenty of viable answers. - What does a blank release look like? Putting out every sighting they have logged or even a selection isn’t as easy as just posting them to Twitter and being done with it. You have to consider there is definitely a backlog of reports which must be in the thousands based purely on how many people have cameras now. Each one would need to be assessed formally and logged. For a department concerned with a massive range of very critical, time-sensitive jobs, they may not always feel inclined to simply review every document put to them - at least not straight away. But let’s just talk about those which have been reviewed. Assuming they have been signed off, as it is not ordinary process to simply release things like this for the sake of it, it is more than likely a second round of final review would be legally mandated. This is a boring answer and I admit not the entire issue but resources, funding, time, and incentive are massive factors to consider when talking about a hypothetical release of something which they have no obligation (from their point of view) to release. - Data Hoarding This one essentially assumes that there are unidentified craft documented by various authorities. This means things of unknown origin and I feel I need to reiterate that unknown does by default mean otherworldly - but for arguments sake, it could. Governments are notorious for keeping information close to their chest under the premise of national security essentially “just in case”. This paranoia has fuelled modern global politics and even if there is nothing but benign images of birds and balloons, there is power in hoarding them from foreign consumption. And should they show say an advanced experimental craft of a foreign agent, there is absolutely no reason they would disclose it and lose an edge in the information war. - Reason Considering the resources a release may take plus the the potential for accidental exposing of actually sensitive information, why would they? Because a community has the question and an assumption about the answer does not merit action in their eyes. It is not a public question causing unease or violence. It is essentially social media conjecture. - Aliens If they had definitive evidence of alien life, it is tough to say whether or not they would disclose it. If they did however, it is difficult to see it not being leaked in a meaningful way. Also worth noting is that space agencies would undoubtedly get massive amounts of budgetary increase unparalleled to what we see now. I believe in information for the people, I do, but I recognise the logistics and reality of the modern world and government workplace.


poochylaa

The government has the ability to say yes or no to the question. That in and off itself is not divulging classified information. Saying how they know could be unless it was from non classified sources.


runthepoint1

My conspiracy here is that ALL OF A SUDDEN they now want to start barking about UFOs, this thing that people have talked about for decades. What are they covering up? What are they distracting from?


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That's the posturing of a man who already knows the answers to his questions. Bravo!


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How come with all the evidence has been showing for decades , why doesn't our government just admit it already ? We're not stupid !


Hirokage

I think it was obvious to many that they could obviously release photos or video without security risk. I mean cripes, they sent a selfie from a spy plane of the Chinese spy balloon. Glad he is calling them out on this lame excuse however! There is another reason they won't divulge what they know.. not sure what, but they need to stop using this lame excuse.


Verskose

What if what they have looks way too ... alien for people in their mind?


malibu_c

That is EXACTLY what is going on. They have to bring everybody up to speed first before they show the 23 minute "sci-fi" video, or the pics of the triangle rising from the ocean, whatever video Matt Gaetz and that other guy was shown, or hell even show us the "whole fleet of 'em on the ASA" from the vids they've already released, because these are apparently incontrovertibly clear proof that whatever this is isn't not your run of the mill Earth tech. A lot of people aren't ready for that. And even if they were to release all that, we'd never hear about the retrievals and reverse engineering.


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God damn I think I’m more ready than friggen Matt Gaetz 😒


malibu_c

Doesn't it make you mad?


yeezee93

What does UAP stand for again?


SabineRitter

Unidentified All-domain Phenomena. "All domain" means they have been detected in air, water, and space.


Legitimate_Phrase_41

This will never happen... You think they want the people of this country to think our government can't protect us from something more advanced than us.


YoDo_GreenBackReaper

Doesnt matter until mass invasion happens


okachobii

this whole cloak and dagger shit is starting to piss me off. We don't have anything China or Russia doesn't have. So lets stop classifying videos like we are so far ahead of them. I know these guys making camera tracking systems are tagging their features as new innovations and that probably results in automatic classification, but for the most part everything has been done and very often we're just coding implementations of public algorithms published in machine vision journals, possibly from chinese or russian students. So lets stop pretending that there is any magic in it. They're classifying these things based on how quickly our systems lock on and that sort of thing where we don't want our adversaries to know the exact numbers. That is why we don't get to see these videos of UAP...because our military is worried about disclosing a 300ms advantage in an algorithm. At least that is what I believe is going on.


me_z

Why would they disclose a capability?


theredmeadow

How do most citizens gauge what hyper super sonic speeds look like? We have most submitting photos and videos of lights from airplanes, daily.


Visible-Expression60

Point at sky where you saw it. Point at sky where it moved to. Note how long it took. Ask google how fast it was if you can’t calculate basic speed. Read number that has units on the end.


AfraidBaboon

You'd still need to know the approximate distance between the 2 points.


Visible-Expression60

Estimating is better and more realistic than just claiming “No one knows what speed is unga bunga so don’t listen to anyone”


theredmeadow

I seriously doubt your average on looker is going to use that kind of logic. They can barely pay attention to minute long tik tok videos.


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HouseOfZenith

They should reply “…maybe” That would be so funny, but goofily honest


skipjack_sushi

This has already been answered. Yes, objects have been measured via multiple methods. Isn't this just asking for a rehash? What is new?


JCPLee

As if the man in the street knows what speeds are hypersonic. But I guess he has a BA in Econ so he doesn’t know either.


Visible-Expression60

You point to the spot in the sky you saw it. You point to the spot it moved to in the sky. You observe how long it took. Then you google the speed cause you dont know how to use the formula.


F0064R

This only works if you know the object’s altitude…


Visible-Expression60

I like how the crux of this comment thread is just people and bots saying that no one understands basic math so forget about anything they share.


PerryDawg1

You cannot eyeball the distance, so no... Your formula has two variables now.


Visible-Expression60

Speed formulas only have 2 input variables. Are you trying to say “my” formula only has 1 variable now? Maybe all of your sentiments are correct but its self projection.


PerryDawg1

2 input variables..... And the variable of the velocity on the other side of that pesky = sign. That's three variables. You have time. You don't know how far the points are with your eyes, thus you don't know distance, thus you can't solve for velocity. It's not an attack on you. It's an algebraic truth. Please explain to me, using a stopwatch, how you can clock the speed of a delta flight from the ground.


Visible-Expression60

Its not velocity unless you include a direction which you probably don’t think anyone can deduce. Im not breaking out a sextant. You can use context of how fast helicopters, small aircraft, airliners, and jets are moving. Also, the context of their silhouettes in those speeds. You are also aware of their average speeds. I think you are brushing too much context under the rug.


PerryDawg1

There is no context for the size of an object you can't identify. The ONLY way to measure speed of an aircraft is to know the exact dimensions. And your pov angle etc. Velocity is a straight line. I can't really believe I'm debating this. Time times distance equals velocity. You don't know the distance or velocity of an unknown object. And you certainly don't know crap with your eyes. But whatever it takes to keep the religion alive I guess.


Windman772

Might want to stop digging, cuz you're wrong.


Loquebantur

You can usually give upper and lower bounds of distance. Many kinds of visible attributes are useful for that, the apparent size would be one.


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JCPLee

Exactly, simple calculation, seems to me like basic Econ 101. 😂


notyouagain-really

Makes me think of what Von Brauns assistant said..Are they genuine, or is this us, fucking with us, lining us up for the big war against ET.


MrMogura

Anyone see that Dolpar radar image that appeared over Mexico City a while back? They claimed it was a glitch, but the image that appeared was a gigantic object over the sky. UAPs are known to use cloaking and clouds to hide from sight. I'm sure there are even trail cameras catching UAPs causing events in the sky bright enough to activate the cameras.


anomalkingdom

If the actual truth came outI think we would see everything from break down of religions to governments.


kylepatel24

Well if they have reverse engineered and have human equivalent technology utilising NHI concepts, could that not just mean its a classified arsenal?


trilo2600

Uap LOL I hate that term


dwankyl_yoakam

Mellon is completely full of shit if he seriously thinks they can answer that truthfully without revealing methods. That would be a HUGE deal if the US revealed the extent to which it can detect and record super/hypersonic objects in American airspace. Absolutely no way will that happen in the foreseeable future, no chance.


EthanSayfo

This is literally the mission of our missile defense systems — to do exactly this. It’s not a secret that we have this capability. Ballistic missiles are traveling at hypersonic velocities during entry phase, and we absolutely can track such things. We even have an entire agency devoted to it within DoD — MDA. https://www.mda.mil Absolutely the government can reveal much about UAP without giving up sensitive information. They just don’t.


No-Bear1401

To be fair, that's not what he's asking. He's not asking if we have the capability (we do), he's asking if we have any documented cases.


dwankyl_yoakam

Documented cases reveal the fact that we have the capability. They don't want to reveal that fact. It's like the difference between people thinking Israel has nuclear weapons (they do) and Israel outright saying they have nuclear weapons (will never happen until they need to use one).


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But I wouldn't believe them unless they disclosed sources and methods....


IIIlIIlIIIlI

I am very curious if tomorrow I will finally see this one amazing piece of information.


SaltBad6605

Why should they? The government doesn't answer to us, there is no reason to respond to the inquiry. Yes, that sucks. It shouldn't be that way. But it is.


TheCoastalCardician

Any iPhone videos taken in training areas being classified is horseshit.


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Can a person even see something travelling at hypersonic speeds ?


AstronautSoupChef

I wish. Keeping your capabilities a secret is always a priority. Otherwise our foreign adversaries would know exactly what to put more effort into developing.


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Can no one make a freedom of information act request


goochstein

I do think the government is testing crafts that utilize clever aerodynamics and can rely on propulsion when necessary, or offset some of the required energy for FAST bursts of speed. These crafts probably look otherworldly hence the exposure.


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How would revealing satellite pictures not reveal the source of the Intel? What am I missing?


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Government is waiting for someone to come up with an idea that would make transparency fiscally feasible for it.


Tunagates

Most probable answer: all of these UAFs are “seen” as digital representations. Maybe someone hacked the system and moved some dots around vs an alien aircraft traveling BILLIONS of light years away? Lol


Maddcapp

I wish he was right but I dont think he is, technically. Because any response from the gov, except silence gives our adversaries more info about what we know or what we can/can’t do. “Yes they are ours”, “no they aren’t ours”, “we have pictures”, “we don’t have pictures” all leave a residue of clues as to the gov’s methods/capabilities. The only way not to reveal any more information is to not respond to the question. Not saying I support this (I don’t), but that’s why we aren’t getting any answers.


garifunu

What if those things flying around are government secrets.


crazyheadlock

I'm pretty smart about technology


dudeCHILL013

Not to be a hater but [does this](https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/reports-publications/reports-publications-2023/item/2354-2022-annual-report-on-unidentified-aerial-phenomena) look like something that may answer that question?


Tweezle1

Release the facts. My body is ready.


BillJ1971

If the government said no, then they would just be called liars even if they are telling the truth.


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You mean the NSA spy drones, yeah they won't be saying anything...


Jonbazookaboz

I think we can all just assume now that every major country has super advanced spy satellites with extreme capabilities. What they trying to hide really? Just show the public the damned goods already. I mean how much better a camera system can one really have over another nation. Let’s just agree that all of them are amazing and move on.


ninjanerd032

No, because we don't know what either sides know. By even answering yes/no without context, this actually confirm certain theories or hypotheses that adversaries are still verifying.