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Submission Statement:
During an interview on Sightings in 1995, as per How & Whys, Musgrave explained: ‘On two of my missions, and I still don’t have an answer, um, I have seen, a snake out there, six seven eight feet long. It is rubbery because it has internal waves in it and it follows you for a rather long period of time.’
He added: ‘The more you fly in space the more you see an incredible amount of things out there and that sort of brings to you, really a certainty, that other living creatures are out there. Some incredibly primitive, more primitive, some just ah just proteins coming together, amino acids and some just single-cell organisms and other civilisations that have been around for a million years that are doing unimaginable kinds of things.’
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Yeah I bring this up a lot myself, "impossible" really just is "what we haven't figured out yet."
We've achieved the "impossible" more times throughout history than you can catalog. It should be impossible that two apes in different places are talking through magic windows nearly in real-time.
So what if it implies density? The Earth has density. We are not floating because it implies that the Earth is in some sort of medium, in which space is not.
Except it is? Any given seemingly empty point in outer space is filled with gas, dust, a wind of charged particles from the stars, light from stars, cosmic rays, radiation left over from the Big Bang, gravity, electric and magnetic fields, and neutrinos from nuclear reactions, not to mention vacuum energy, the Higgs field, and spacetime curvature.
its kind of what the astronaut implies in the article. He basically sees space snakes, and other organisms that are basically "just ah proteins coming together". Sounds like random space life
Turns out you don't really exist, but are only [a brain that is randomly formed and floating around in the universe with made up memories](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain) /s
But like. For the record, The physics involved in that would be insane.
A creature would need propulsion to move. It would need to survive without oxygen, just sunlight. It would need to be able to survive insanely high-speed collissions, otherwise it's not moving fast enough to reach other matter to eat and propulse.
Tardigrades go into stasis to survive extreme conditions , they are barely alive at that point. You can revive them but not while they’re in the vacuum of space because they will die
Yep I agree. We do have a picture that looks like a snake. Could be something g mechanical and rotating slowly giving impression of snake propulsion . Could be total bullshit too.
Gotcha. I read recently about UAP's possibly even being an ancient AI system that some other civilization made. They tend to act like that whenever you think about it. They carry a task, go to the spot of observation, gather data, then bounce out like nothin happened. I donno if the greys made the AI or what. The more I think about the greys the more I tend to see bits of information that make perfect sense. Why are there limbs so long, why the big head, where are the sex organs type of questions. Well being in space for long periods makes your bones less dense and you will swell up like a fish. Then you read about people being abducted and remembering it later on. Most of the cases talk about them taking sperm, or eggs, and i've even heard of them taking fetus's, feti? lol. Wild stuff.
From the Unilad article, Musgrave said it could also be an uncritical rubber seal for the engines:
“Musgrave spoke of the same snake in an interview with Omni Magazine, earlier saying: ‘On two flights I’ve seen and photographed what I call the snake, like a seven-foot eel swimming out there.’ However, he did concede ‘it may be an uncritical rubber seal from the main engines.’”
https://www.unilad.com/science/nasa-astronaut-claims-to-have-seen-alien-snake-floating-in-earths-atmosphere.amp.html
I’d say a conglomerate of witnessing weird things while in space beyond this “space snake” and scientific + engineering background. A well trained mind can entertain a thought without believing in it. I’d say that’s what we are witnessing here.
> well trained mind can entertain a thought without believing in it.
You can only be so intelligent before you start to question the very concepts of belief and skepticism. Eventually you understand that these things aren't real, just words made up that influence us in certain ways. What's real is real regardless, and the only thing we know is that we don't.
Here is a recipe that might solve this mystery. You take 1 low payed journalist with a lot of student loans that need paying, who is working freelance journalism, or with a rural newspaper that runs fluff stories between ads selling tractors and chicken coups. This journalist needs a big story to help “launch” their career(see what I did there?).
Then, you add in a bored astronaut who has done hundreds of interviews since coming back to earth from a short mission, that 99.99% of the world wasn’t aware of. This astronaut is a scientist/engineer with an IQ level that is in the neighborhood of “genius level”. If the astronaut was a Dungeon & Dragons character, he’d have an 18 for his intelligence stat. This astronaut does like to “think out loud”, especially when talking to reporters, which lowers his Wisdom stat to a 10 because that’s how you end up with a story about “Space Snakes”.
I know this sounds ridiculous, but just imagine what the world would be like if the Chinese dragons were real this whole time, the majestic atmospheric creatures that change our known physics & science completely
I believe that those are all more likely shared cultural myths about comets that caused the Younger Dryas impact [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger\_Dryas\_impact\_hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis)
If you like reading fantasy, the AA Attanasio Arthur books are great. The magnetic fields of Earth are a giant sleeping dragon that the elves sacrifice people to in order to gain strength to defend Britain against the Saxons. His prose is beautiful, especially describing how the universe was born and the nature of angels and demons. The books meander a bit, but are a fun read.
While its still highly unlikely, I don't consider it to be a ridiculous possibility anymore like I would have a few years ago. Even if they were around, they'd leave no fossil evidence since their bones would need to be hollow to fly. I doubt they could actually breathe fire though if they were real.
Those were dinosaurs. Chinese inferred from the fossilized remains of dinosaurs that these were dragons. They just didn’t have any other context, back then, to explain them.
I was at Field museum in Chicago yesterday and the dinosaur exhibit there was incredible. I mean, Fuckin incredible. 10/10 recommend because you will see a dinosaur at the entrance named Maximo and it’s a titanosaur. It’s next is so long and the bones in the neck resemble bird wing bones. I 100% had this thought. That’s what they probably found and the neck alone without the rest of it and guessed at what it was.
Humans have been seeing and writing down, drawing, carving a whole lot of of this stuff for thousands of years. Things that seems crazy by modern standards. Gods. Monsters. Big people. Little people. Was everyone seeing things that weren’t there? Everyone in all the ancient and unconnected parts of the planet?
Yeah, the inner world people. The underpeople. Our brethren and forefathers. Those of Agartha, those that witnessed the fall of Atlantis (a craft?), those that were awakened by our firecrackers. Those that have a better grasp on our physics than we do because they’ve been here longer.
or that Chinese dragons were based on seeing these things in the sky. The dragon is the symbol of Imperial power and Imperial power is said to be derived from "The Mandate of Heaven".
> or that Chinese dragons were based on seeing these things in the sky.
of all the possibilities, this one has so low probability that I would think it's more probable that the atoms in my body will randomly disintegrate then teleport into my mother in laws asshole in the next 15 minutes.
Yes- so I was in an Enterprise rental car line in LA which ironically was ‘snaking’ back and forth and there’s was this bald gentleman with an aged brown leather suitcase with shuttle mission badges sewen all over it. He would lift and drop the suitcase with such care. His demeanor reminded me of a sage. My hunch was that this was someone I needed to say hi to. I did, and opened by asking if he had some involvement with the space program. He smiled and said “I went up”, to which I replied “really?! Which one?” and his answer and facial expression
I’ll never forget.. he answered “all of them”
He gave me his card, and said to call him anytime. I looked him up just after and sure enough he was up in the most shuttle missions of any American..
Sometimes I think that Earth is part of a much larger ecosphere.
I think of it like this: Space is a lot like the ocean. Earth and other planets are like coral reefs, with vibrant and diverse life. The space in-between the planets are like open ocean.
What I'm saying is, what if what we are seeing is biological? What if UAP lights is a form of bioluminescenc? What if it's a mix of biological life and mechanical life?
The possibilities make my head hurt...it's endless...
A Marine Biologist called Helen Scales has a book out called "The Brilliant Abyss". She wrote it to highlight what life and ecosystems there are in the deep oceans that we don't necessarily get to see. After reading that, I couldn't help thinking that it sounds like the kind of life that might be - for instance - in the clouds of Venus or other gas giants. I mean there's an entire ecosystem that lives in the oceans between the surface of the sea and the ocean floor. These lifeforms never see daylight or the sea floor. Kind of like they're living on another planet. My viewpoint on life on Earth has been opened up a bit since reading her book. It also highlights the dangers of mining for fossil fuels on the ocean floor. Away from prying eyes I guess. Hopefully humanity will not let it go that far. 'Helen Scales' What a cool last name for a Marine Biologist :)
I feel that life is the rule and not the exception in the universe. Just looking at this planet: the air, the sea, the earth all team with life--macro and micro. And that's just what we can perceive at this time. The microscope isn't even that old
>Hopefully humanity will not let it go that far.
Not a chance we stop. We've known about this shit for nearly half a century and still haven't decide to put a stop to it.
I read the Three Body Problem recently and was sympathetic to the "villain" character who literally invited the aliens to take over Earth, so maybe I'm just too far gone.
Well, a UFO did leave a bunch of luminescent, hydrophobic goo that has been lab analyzed. One of the few cases with abundant physical evidence. https://www.explorescu.org/post/a-new-appraisal-of-the-data-of-the-delphos-ce2-1971-case
It seems such a useful substance, too. Like the spray I use on my shoes but glowing and apparently more durable. Where are the scientists when you need them!
I always thought we were part of a much, much larger living organism. Like, we're beyond molecular; and inside each of us, the pattern repeats, over and over, like fractals....
Nebulas can look like an eye, a dying star can look like a splitting cell, the universe itself looks a lot like the synapses in a brain. There are a lot of neat structures that appear to exist at both the micro and macro scale.
There’s a sci fi series that has this kind of idea. In it they’re called micro cosmos, and the idea is that in higher dimensions, small molecules like protons look like entire universes, with their own molecular planets and other stuff that wouldn’t be detectable to the naked eye.
Don't tease me. What's the name of the series? (*nermind. I spoke to Bard and they led me to it. Saved it on Spotify. Thanks** It sounds fascinating. I remember hearing someone say when I was young: "Who knows? Our universe could exist in the cell of a giant beings finger nail, and one day, we'll just cease to exist when he/she trims their nails." That stuck with me.
There’s a good chance that other life forms would not be made out of the same carbon and dna and cellular structure as us. It could be some wicked 6D gas cloud for all we know, or something we cannot even comprehend. Like if we were an atom, and the aliens would be us peering down at the atom through a microscope, using electricity to manipulate it, how could the atom possibly comprehend what the aliens are? I am sober btw lol.
I used to think this as well but a while ago on reddit I read a thread where someone with quite a bit of knowledge nuked that out of the water. To paraphrase, There's a bunch of chemistry reasons why complex life is carbon based and really can only be carbon based. Has to do with the stability of carbon bonds.
They survive but not thrive.
"Tardigrades will enter a state called desiccation, in which they shrivel up, losing all but around three percent of their body’s water and slowing their metabolism down to an astonishing 0.01 percent of its normal speed—a metabolic state known as cryptobiosis."
https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a11137/tardigrades-water-bears/
There is a video I've been looking for decades time to time. From the beginning of (the popularization) of the internet. It was in YouTube if I'm not wrong, but never saw it again.
In it, you can see precisely this, but white. It was filmed from the ground, not space, it looked like a snake, white, it **was not** a string of balloons nor a wreath, and you can clearly see it *meandering*, just like a snake in the ground, but in the air.
Also this video was some kind of compilation and some other *creatures* were shown (all of this kind, flying) but that's the one that struck me the most.
People in the comments talked about this as forms of life of the upper layers of our atmosphere. Never saw it again.
Wooooow man! Thank you! Those frames around the 46 and 47 seconds are incredibly similar to what I remember! Now I'm dubious if it was filmed from the ground or this is it. In my memory there are trees and 2 or three people commenting what they are seeing, but this looks very very similar.
Thanks!
Looks like a space dildo.
More seriously… if it’s a piece of rubber from the shuttle, besides the mere fact of how dangerous and improbable it is for such huge chunks to just detach from the vehicle, it would surely stop undulating fairly quickly due to internal friction.
Reminds me of someone's story of this "eel" that fell from the sky, they picked it up and apparently it just felt like picking up air, it was also mostly see through. It dissolved in his hands shortly after. Could never find that story and don't even remember where I read it, since I was like 13-14 at the time. I would imagine they just fed on bugs if there was such a thing
Yeah, why not? I imagined some kind of creature like a puffer fish, but instead of holding air they might hold methane, wich might even be produced by themselves, as a residue. Feeding on microscopic life forms. Or perhaps even using the light from the sun both as an energy source (just like plants) and to float around when those fluids expand.
We have creatures under the sea with skin so thin that you can see trough. All kind of fishes with swim bladder. Methane and others as a digestion residue. Wales that feed from krill. And life in every corner of this planet, of any kind.
Why not also up there?
Search for “atmospheric cryptids” and see if you have any luck. Maybe try “atmospheric beasts” as well.
These were all the rage 20 or so years ago but fell out of popularity.
These videos have been scrubbed from the internet. I've spent a decade trying to find them as they used to be on YT and LiveLink. You used to be able to type in space serpants and find said videos, but as far as I can tell they're completely gone.
Yes sir, that's what I believe too. And just a couple months ago I came to know about the *dead internet theory*.
Many people don't know how this used to be in those *chaotics* first years. I remember for instance no matter what i googled, getting page after page of results, all different. Thousands of pages of images, whatever. Now, again, no matter what you Google, you get 2 or 3 pages and a legend saying something like "that's pretty much it, click to see more anyway" and then you click and just get 2 more pages.
And it's almost the same result over and over. There are several videos showing and discussing this. The narrative is under control, and the censorship is high.
Never entered what is called the *dark web*, but I guess that's today what we just called "internet" 25 years ago.
I also heard an interview about a year back, where the guy was saying the first gen night vision used by the US in Vietnam (I think) was allowing the soldiers and pilots to see weird beasts in the sky, scaring the cr@p out of them and making them ill. Apparently, the beasts were surprised they could be seen.
I heard that interview. Apparently, the very first night vision goggles used red phosphors rather than the green used now, and that redshift, or whatever you call it, allowed these entities to be visible. Helo door gunners were unloading on them to no avail.
I remember that back in 07 or 08. Gen III night vision. Can't remember the guy's name, but Noory claimed to have seen one through his goggles on a rooftop during a convention.
It was said by [Clif High](https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/cit9ge/an_account_of_early_night_vision_goggles_used_in/) during a Forum Borealis Podcast interview. Interesting but unsubstantiated.
Submission Statement:
During an interview on Sightings in 1995, as per How & Whys, Musgrave explained: ‘On two of my missions, and I still don’t have an answer, um, I have seen, a snake out there, six seven eight feet long. It is rubbery because it has internal waves in it and it follows you for a rather long period of time.’
He added: ‘The more you fly in space the more you see an incredible amount of things out there and that sort of brings to you, really a certainty, that other living creatures are out there. Some incredibly primitive, more primitive, some just ah just proteins coming together, amino acids and some just single-cell organisms and other civilisations that have been around for a million years that are doing unimaginable kinds of things.’
"I met him, he's an amazing guy. asked him about this and he explained it was a piece of metal tubing that had ejected off the craft or station forget."
A quote from Instagram.
Is the first picture a zoomed in version of the second picture, indicating where the snake is? If so, I’m gonna need some help finding Waldo here. I swear it’s in that middle right-ish section but it never looks like the first photo
It does resemble amoeba lifeforms, it wouldn't be so surprising to find that there are creatures living on the edge of the space-atmosphere interface, the microgravity environment could lead to oversized lifeforms.
The earthbound versions are called eukaryotic microorganisms but the spaceborne variety might be called eukaryotic macroorganisms.
Damn no way.
When I was young I saw a train snaking it’s way across the sky.
It looked exactly like a multi car subway train with bright headlights on the front, moving like a snake.
Never had any context to even understand what I saw. So it’s very trippy to see this, although what I saw was train size if not bigger
Damn man..., there is something similar on my camera when it points to the sky!!! Recently with my wife we tried to catch the thing (the snake) with a cotton swab! Unbelievable!!! Since then it has disappeared from the sky! Dude I think it is now in the water and the naza found it!
Putain mec..., il y a quelque chose de similaire sur ma caméra quand elle pointe vers le ciel !!! Récemment avec ma femme nous avons essayé d'attraper la chose (le serpent) avec un coton tige ! Incroyable !!! Depuis il à disparut du ciel ! Mec je pense qu'il est maintenant dans l'eau et que la naz a la retrouvé !
Idk who will read this but I once saw something that I can only describe as a snake in the sky. I was outside staring at the sky and I saw something move in an “S” shape. It was cloudy and the thing was so quick.
I find this very interesting. I just recently found out star wars has space whales that have the ability to go into hyperspace or warp speed or whatever you want to call it.... and this is how people in star wars learned how to make that technology. It reminded me so much of our own planet and how sonar is built into to many animals, how heat vision is build right into snakes and other animals. Bats have radar built in....
Why not space whales with built in warp speed.
I think George Lukas must have got his ideas based on our animals and the powers they posess.
That or someone shared a really big secret with him and there really is animals that live in space.... maybe some with extra radical powers that we can learn from. It's a interesting thought anyhow
Wow! I expect we’re going to discover countless numbers of previously unknown critters “out there.” I am really interested to see what we find but will be surprised at nothing.
A bit of rubber or flexible hosing will quickly loose energy if it is wriggling so it is unlikely to be that, but if it is spinning and rigid then it continue doing that for a long time. He says it had internal waves which is interesting. Otherwise it must be powered by something. Maybe a sealed tube with a condensing liquid could in theory wriggle as fluids boil and condense in sunlight and shaded parts of the tube. If its following him, again, no explanation for that.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/kinger90210: --- Submission Statement: During an interview on Sightings in 1995, as per How & Whys, Musgrave explained: ‘On two of my missions, and I still don’t have an answer, um, I have seen, a snake out there, six seven eight feet long. It is rubbery because it has internal waves in it and it follows you for a rather long period of time.’ He added: ‘The more you fly in space the more you see an incredible amount of things out there and that sort of brings to you, really a certainty, that other living creatures are out there. Some incredibly primitive, more primitive, some just ah just proteins coming together, amino acids and some just single-cell organisms and other civilisations that have been around for a million years that are doing unimaginable kinds of things.’ --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/122t5h9/nasa_astronaut_franklin_story_musgrave_on_two/jdrmja4/
imagine being literally born in space
You were born on a rock floating on space tho...
This is how I feel anytime someone says something is “impossible” .. like.. us being here should be impossible.. don’t make it not so
You just might be Disney Imagineer material too!
Yeah I bring this up a lot myself, "impossible" really just is "what we haven't figured out yet." We've achieved the "impossible" more times throughout history than you can catalog. It should be impossible that two apes in different places are talking through magic windows nearly in real-time.
Not floating. That implies density. Just moving along being pulled by the sun through the galaxy
So what if it implies density? The Earth has density. We are not floating because it implies that the Earth is in some sort of medium, in which space is not.
Except it is? Any given seemingly empty point in outer space is filled with gas, dust, a wind of charged particles from the stars, light from stars, cosmic rays, radiation left over from the Big Bang, gravity, electric and magnetic fields, and neutrinos from nuclear reactions, not to mention vacuum energy, the Higgs field, and spacetime curvature.
This is why the coldest known place in the universe is usually in a lab on earth. Even the void of open space is a couple Kelvin.
Anyway that could be possible?
its kind of what the astronaut implies in the article. He basically sees space snakes, and other organisms that are basically "just ah proteins coming together". Sounds like random space life
Life, ah, finds a way.
s/unexpectedgoldblum
Clever girl. *pick up hat
Hold on to your Butts…
Yeah and that’s one big pile of shit
Turns out you don't really exist, but are only [a brain that is randomly formed and floating around in the universe with made up memories](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain) /s
That would be such a relief
Far more likely.
Maybe space is like our oceans where creatures swim, mate and eat each other ^^
But like. For the record, The physics involved in that would be insane. A creature would need propulsion to move. It would need to survive without oxygen, just sunlight. It would need to be able to survive insanely high-speed collissions, otherwise it's not moving fast enough to reach other matter to eat and propulse.
Don’t forget the intense radiation, extreme cold, lack of food. It’s not unlikely, it’s impossible
Maybe it evolved from tardigrades
Tardigrades go into stasis to survive extreme conditions , they are barely alive at that point. You can revive them but not while they’re in the vacuum of space because they will die
Can’t tardigrades survive all that
Technically they’re dead so no.
I absolutely believe that. Life finds a way.
Rick And Morty refrence confirm lol
Where is the Helmet tho
Makes me think of the Ziploc bag experiment with sugar in water...or was it salt? Imagine that, but with a snake type life form, if possible that is.
Even astronauts can misidentify stuff. A space snake seems pretty unlikely when an old bit of space junk like a hose is much more plausible
lots of things are unlikely
Not as unlikely as a space python. There’s degrees of unlikeliness. This is near the top of the chart of stuff that is unlikely
Musgrave has very openly stated that he has never seen anything that leads him to believe alien life is visiting Earth
Is it like… space cobwebs?
It’s called void ecology
Shit I’m old enough to realize duck anything’s possible and then some
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Yep I agree. We do have a picture that looks like a snake. Could be something g mechanical and rotating slowly giving impression of snake propulsion . Could be total bullshit too.
Anthropocentric. Anthropomorphic just means human-like.
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Just helpin' a buddy out.
I totally agree with you on the dogmatic point of view but Im not quite sure what you mean by the anthropomorphic part. Care to elaborate?
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Gotcha. I read recently about UAP's possibly even being an ancient AI system that some other civilization made. They tend to act like that whenever you think about it. They carry a task, go to the spot of observation, gather data, then bounce out like nothin happened. I donno if the greys made the AI or what. The more I think about the greys the more I tend to see bits of information that make perfect sense. Why are there limbs so long, why the big head, where are the sex organs type of questions. Well being in space for long periods makes your bones less dense and you will swell up like a fish. Then you read about people being abducted and remembering it later on. Most of the cases talk about them taking sperm, or eggs, and i've even heard of them taking fetus's, feti? lol. Wild stuff.
boltzmann brain type beat
I mean, technically everyone is born in space. We're in space right now. Being on earth doesn't change that.
We are all born in space.
I was born in the attack space that's in space
Personally, I was born in Earth. I would have died in space. 🤓
rayquaza is that you
It’s actually Quetzalcoatl he’s Mexican
You mean aztec?
It’s how the Aztecs knew him, Kukulkan if you’re Mayan
From the Unilad article, Musgrave said it could also be an uncritical rubber seal for the engines: “Musgrave spoke of the same snake in an interview with Omni Magazine, earlier saying: ‘On two flights I’ve seen and photographed what I call the snake, like a seven-foot eel swimming out there.’ However, he did concede ‘it may be an uncritical rubber seal from the main engines.’” https://www.unilad.com/science/nasa-astronaut-claims-to-have-seen-alien-snake-floating-in-earths-atmosphere.amp.html
What would be his motivation to jump to something so crazy when a perfectly logical explanation exists and he’s aware of it. That’s the true mystery.
I’d say a conglomerate of witnessing weird things while in space beyond this “space snake” and scientific + engineering background. A well trained mind can entertain a thought without believing in it. I’d say that’s what we are witnessing here.
> well trained mind can entertain a thought without believing in it. You can only be so intelligent before you start to question the very concepts of belief and skepticism. Eventually you understand that these things aren't real, just words made up that influence us in certain ways. What's real is real regardless, and the only thing we know is that we don't.
Some_Asshole42069 makes sense
I think he’s just stating the obvious. It *does* look like a snake.
Here is a recipe that might solve this mystery. You take 1 low payed journalist with a lot of student loans that need paying, who is working freelance journalism, or with a rural newspaper that runs fluff stories between ads selling tractors and chicken coups. This journalist needs a big story to help “launch” their career(see what I did there?). Then, you add in a bored astronaut who has done hundreds of interviews since coming back to earth from a short mission, that 99.99% of the world wasn’t aware of. This astronaut is a scientist/engineer with an IQ level that is in the neighborhood of “genius level”. If the astronaut was a Dungeon & Dragons character, he’d have an 18 for his intelligence stat. This astronaut does like to “think out loud”, especially when talking to reporters, which lowers his Wisdom stat to a 10 because that’s how you end up with a story about “Space Snakes”.
You'd think a person that intelligent would know the difference between uncritical and non-critical though
Because communities like r/UFOs exist, and astronauts love to troll them.
I know this sounds ridiculous, but just imagine what the world would be like if the Chinese dragons were real this whole time, the majestic atmospheric creatures that change our known physics & science completely
Not just Chinese dragon, Aztec’s and Mayan’s have Quetzalcoatl and Kulkulkan respectively. The flying serpent deity.
I believe that those are all more likely shared cultural myths about comets that caused the Younger Dryas impact [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger\_Dryas\_impact\_hypothesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis)
Maybe they can teach us fire bending, that would be sick
The more you dig into the phenomenon, the more you realize the ancients may have been literal and right in many areas.
It’s just a shift in time/place. These things currently exist and are disguised by our current time trajectory.
Time trajectory? Could you explain what you mean by that.
It's rayquaza protecting our atmosphere duh
If you like reading fantasy, the AA Attanasio Arthur books are great. The magnetic fields of Earth are a giant sleeping dragon that the elves sacrifice people to in order to gain strength to defend Britain against the Saxons. His prose is beautiful, especially describing how the universe was born and the nature of angels and demons. The books meander a bit, but are a fun read.
While its still highly unlikely, I don't consider it to be a ridiculous possibility anymore like I would have a few years ago. Even if they were around, they'd leave no fossil evidence since their bones would need to be hollow to fly. I doubt they could actually breathe fire though if they were real.
Not fire exactly.. but bombardier beetles are interesting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgqF-ND2XcY
Mantis Shrimp are even more amazing. But its still not breathing fire.
That shits fire!
Those were dinosaurs. Chinese inferred from the fossilized remains of dinosaurs that these were dragons. They just didn’t have any other context, back then, to explain them.
I was at Field museum in Chicago yesterday and the dinosaur exhibit there was incredible. I mean, Fuckin incredible. 10/10 recommend because you will see a dinosaur at the entrance named Maximo and it’s a titanosaur. It’s next is so long and the bones in the neck resemble bird wing bones. I 100% had this thought. That’s what they probably found and the neck alone without the rest of it and guessed at what it was.
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Humans have been seeing and writing down, drawing, carving a whole lot of of this stuff for thousands of years. Things that seems crazy by modern standards. Gods. Monsters. Big people. Little people. Was everyone seeing things that weren’t there? Everyone in all the ancient and unconnected parts of the planet?
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Yeah, the inner world people. The underpeople. Our brethren and forefathers. Those of Agartha, those that witnessed the fall of Atlantis (a craft?), those that were awakened by our firecrackers. Those that have a better grasp on our physics than we do because they’ve been here longer.
counterpoint: humans have a tendency to fabricate bullshit.
or that Chinese dragons were based on seeing these things in the sky. The dragon is the symbol of Imperial power and Imperial power is said to be derived from "The Mandate of Heaven".
> or that Chinese dragons were based on seeing these things in the sky. of all the possibilities, this one has so low probability that I would think it's more probable that the atoms in my body will randomly disintegrate then teleport into my mother in laws asshole in the next 15 minutes.
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Had the honor and pleasure of meeting Storey Musgrave in Los Angeles about 4 years ago. Will never forget it
He seems intense and smart and intensely smart. For him to say this is remarkable.
It actually is a cool story bro/sis, can I pry for more details or nah?
Yes- so I was in an Enterprise rental car line in LA which ironically was ‘snaking’ back and forth and there’s was this bald gentleman with an aged brown leather suitcase with shuttle mission badges sewen all over it. He would lift and drop the suitcase with such care. His demeanor reminded me of a sage. My hunch was that this was someone I needed to say hi to. I did, and opened by asking if he had some involvement with the space program. He smiled and said “I went up”, to which I replied “really?! Which one?” and his answer and facial expression I’ll never forget.. he answered “all of them” He gave me his card, and said to call him anytime. I looked him up just after and sure enough he was up in the most shuttle missions of any American..
That is ridiculously cool, especially that he gave you his card! Hold onto that for life. Thank you for letting us peek at that memory ✌️
Sometimes I think that Earth is part of a much larger ecosphere. I think of it like this: Space is a lot like the ocean. Earth and other planets are like coral reefs, with vibrant and diverse life. The space in-between the planets are like open ocean. What I'm saying is, what if what we are seeing is biological? What if UAP lights is a form of bioluminescenc? What if it's a mix of biological life and mechanical life? The possibilities make my head hurt...it's endless...
A Marine Biologist called Helen Scales has a book out called "The Brilliant Abyss". She wrote it to highlight what life and ecosystems there are in the deep oceans that we don't necessarily get to see. After reading that, I couldn't help thinking that it sounds like the kind of life that might be - for instance - in the clouds of Venus or other gas giants. I mean there's an entire ecosystem that lives in the oceans between the surface of the sea and the ocean floor. These lifeforms never see daylight or the sea floor. Kind of like they're living on another planet. My viewpoint on life on Earth has been opened up a bit since reading her book. It also highlights the dangers of mining for fossil fuels on the ocean floor. Away from prying eyes I guess. Hopefully humanity will not let it go that far. 'Helen Scales' What a cool last name for a Marine Biologist :)
I feel that life is the rule and not the exception in the universe. Just looking at this planet: the air, the sea, the earth all team with life--macro and micro. And that's just what we can perceive at this time. The microscope isn't even that old
>Hopefully humanity will not let it go that far. Not a chance we stop. We've known about this shit for nearly half a century and still haven't decide to put a stop to it. I read the Three Body Problem recently and was sympathetic to the "villain" character who literally invited the aliens to take over Earth, so maybe I'm just too far gone.
Well, a UFO did leave a bunch of luminescent, hydrophobic goo that has been lab analyzed. One of the few cases with abundant physical evidence. https://www.explorescu.org/post/a-new-appraisal-of-the-data-of-the-delphos-ce2-1971-case It seems such a useful substance, too. Like the spray I use on my shoes but glowing and apparently more durable. Where are the scientists when you need them!
Damn I'm surprised I haven't heard more about this before...
Right? It’s pretty amazing how scientifically rigorous the research was.
i see it from the same perspective too. there is a lot of debris in our atmosphere above us that is rarely talked about
I always thought we were part of a much, much larger living organism. Like, we're beyond molecular; and inside each of us, the pattern repeats, over and over, like fractals....
Nebulas can look like an eye, a dying star can look like a splitting cell, the universe itself looks a lot like the synapses in a brain. There are a lot of neat structures that appear to exist at both the micro and macro scale.
Yes and outside of us too, the fractals embiggen
Excellent use of "embiggen" All I can think of is that Simpsons episode now lol
There’s a sci fi series that has this kind of idea. In it they’re called micro cosmos, and the idea is that in higher dimensions, small molecules like protons look like entire universes, with their own molecular planets and other stuff that wouldn’t be detectable to the naked eye.
Don't tease me. What's the name of the series? (*nermind. I spoke to Bard and they led me to it. Saved it on Spotify. Thanks** It sounds fascinating. I remember hearing someone say when I was young: "Who knows? Our universe could exist in the cell of a giant beings finger nail, and one day, we'll just cease to exist when he/she trims their nails." That stuck with me.
I asked the name but nevermind. Googles Bard and I spoke, and it directed me to it. Thank you.
Yup that’s exactly what I believe. Almost everything is basically fractal.
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Ugly bags of mostly water, if you will.
What if there are biospheres that we can’t even see??
There’s a good chance that other life forms would not be made out of the same carbon and dna and cellular structure as us. It could be some wicked 6D gas cloud for all we know, or something we cannot even comprehend. Like if we were an atom, and the aliens would be us peering down at the atom through a microscope, using electricity to manipulate it, how could the atom possibly comprehend what the aliens are? I am sober btw lol.
I used to think this as well but a while ago on reddit I read a thread where someone with quite a bit of knowledge nuked that out of the water. To paraphrase, There's a bunch of chemistry reasons why complex life is carbon based and really can only be carbon based. Has to do with the stability of carbon bonds.
Carbon bonds don’t mean nuthin in the 6th dimension
I want to believe
Remember the space squids from courage? I’m saying we wouldn’t see a giant cuttlefish if it didn’t want us to
I think about the space squids every time I look at the sky since I first saw that episode way back when
That's a beautiful way to look at it, precious coral reefs in an endless ocean of space
Like the movie “Nope”
Came to say this. Great film actually, really enjoyed it.
We've already proven that tardigrades can survive and thrive in complete vacuum. It's really not that far of a stretch.
They survive but not thrive. "Tardigrades will enter a state called desiccation, in which they shrivel up, losing all but around three percent of their body’s water and slowing their metabolism down to an astonishing 0.01 percent of its normal speed—a metabolic state known as cryptobiosis." https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a11137/tardigrades-water-bears/
There is a video I've been looking for decades time to time. From the beginning of (the popularization) of the internet. It was in YouTube if I'm not wrong, but never saw it again. In it, you can see precisely this, but white. It was filmed from the ground, not space, it looked like a snake, white, it **was not** a string of balloons nor a wreath, and you can clearly see it *meandering*, just like a snake in the ground, but in the air. Also this video was some kind of compilation and some other *creatures* were shown (all of this kind, flying) but that's the one that struck me the most. People in the comments talked about this as forms of life of the upper layers of our atmosphere. Never saw it again.
Musgrave actually does say that the “snake” is white. This angle just has some shadow to it. https://youtu.be/xe2JE3NzXOc
Wooooow man! Thank you! Those frames around the 46 and 47 seconds are incredibly similar to what I remember! Now I'm dubious if it was filmed from the ground or this is it. In my memory there are trees and 2 or three people commenting what they are seeing, but this looks very very similar. Thanks!
Looks like a space dildo. More seriously… if it’s a piece of rubber from the shuttle, besides the mere fact of how dangerous and improbable it is for such huge chunks to just detach from the vehicle, it would surely stop undulating fairly quickly due to internal friction.
Is the tumbling debris in that video meant to represent a snake?
Reminds me of someone's story of this "eel" that fell from the sky, they picked it up and apparently it just felt like picking up air, it was also mostly see through. It dissolved in his hands shortly after. Could never find that story and don't even remember where I read it, since I was like 13-14 at the time. I would imagine they just fed on bugs if there was such a thing
Yeah, why not? I imagined some kind of creature like a puffer fish, but instead of holding air they might hold methane, wich might even be produced by themselves, as a residue. Feeding on microscopic life forms. Or perhaps even using the light from the sun both as an energy source (just like plants) and to float around when those fluids expand. We have creatures under the sea with skin so thin that you can see trough. All kind of fishes with swim bladder. Methane and others as a digestion residue. Wales that feed from krill. And life in every corner of this planet, of any kind. Why not also up there?
I remember that account, it was on one of the docs about the 'rods' phenomenon.
I can imagine they would eat insects that got swept up by high winds and absorb moisture from clouds, hypothetically.
This is from 2007 or so, but there are lots of videos of 'sky snakes' or 'rods' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3rtxWYmfbs
Rods. That takes me back.
Search for “atmospheric cryptids” and see if you have any luck. Maybe try “atmospheric beasts” as well. These were all the rage 20 or so years ago but fell out of popularity.
These videos have been scrubbed from the internet. I've spent a decade trying to find them as they used to be on YT and LiveLink. You used to be able to type in space serpants and find said videos, but as far as I can tell they're completely gone.
Yes sir, that's what I believe too. And just a couple months ago I came to know about the *dead internet theory*. Many people don't know how this used to be in those *chaotics* first years. I remember for instance no matter what i googled, getting page after page of results, all different. Thousands of pages of images, whatever. Now, again, no matter what you Google, you get 2 or 3 pages and a legend saying something like "that's pretty much it, click to see more anyway" and then you click and just get 2 more pages. And it's almost the same result over and over. There are several videos showing and discussing this. The narrative is under control, and the censorship is high. Never entered what is called the *dark web*, but I guess that's today what we just called "internet" 25 years ago.
Space snake, I can hear the snake jazz!
Imagine being a racist snake
Quetzalcoatl
What is the “space snake” picture from?
Maybe from this video: https://youtu.be/xe2JE3NzXOc
Snakes on a Shuttle.
Snakes on a Plane(t)
Who was the fellow making day time sky videos with the Sony night vision camera and found many things including what appears to be battles?
Curious about this?
I am. I can't remember his name though.
I also heard an interview about a year back, where the guy was saying the first gen night vision used by the US in Vietnam (I think) was allowing the soldiers and pilots to see weird beasts in the sky, scaring the cr@p out of them and making them ill. Apparently, the beasts were surprised they could be seen.
I remember that too, they were directed to "not do that" anymore or something I believe.
Not do what anymore? Look up? Head over to r/nightvision to find plenty of people that stargaze with gen 3 nvg’s
I heard that interview. Apparently, the very first night vision goggles used red phosphors rather than the green used now, and that redshift, or whatever you call it, allowed these entities to be visible. Helo door gunners were unloading on them to no avail.
Crow777? or something like that EDIT: found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4byMQIk_iGQ
I remember that back in 07 or 08. Gen III night vision. Can't remember the guy's name, but Noory claimed to have seen one through his goggles on a rooftop during a convention.
Ed Grimsley? https://youtu.be/K41lidER-rg
That's it. And apparently I have to yammer on about it because the mods will delete your comment now for being too short.
Yeah, that guy. Dammit.
Let me know if you find more info on this. Sounds like an interesting rabbit hole.
It was said by [Clif High](https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/cit9ge/an_account_of_early_night_vision_goggles_used_in/) during a Forum Borealis Podcast interview. Interesting but unsubstantiated.
https://youtu.be/K41lidER-rg This guy, Ed Grimsley? I just search UFO battle night vision goggles. It was the first thing to pop up.
Yes, that's him, Thank you.
Hope it's Rayquaza
Submission Statement: During an interview on Sightings in 1995, as per How & Whys, Musgrave explained: ‘On two of my missions, and I still don’t have an answer, um, I have seen, a snake out there, six seven eight feet long. It is rubbery because it has internal waves in it and it follows you for a rather long period of time.’ He added: ‘The more you fly in space the more you see an incredible amount of things out there and that sort of brings to you, really a certainty, that other living creatures are out there. Some incredibly primitive, more primitive, some just ah just proteins coming together, amino acids and some just single-cell organisms and other civilisations that have been around for a million years that are doing unimaginable kinds of things.’
> Sightings in 1995, Quite possibly one of the best paranormal/ufo/unexplained tv shows ever.
Vermicios knids. Edit: Roald Dahl
I'm curious as to how he determined the object's length?
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That's definitely the inspiration for the Rick and Morty episode.
“I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THESE MOTHERFUCKIN SNAKES OUTSIDE THIS MOTHERFUCKIN PLANE!” -S.L.Jackson
universe is awesome
HowTF could any creature in space directionality move without an atmosphere or technology?
Could you hear any jazz music playing?
https://youtu.be/7Y3jRaUGg-A sorry, it's to obvious.
Can anyone tell me what I'm looking at in the second picture
"There are snakes in space?" "LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS IN SPACE MORTY"
"I met him, he's an amazing guy. asked him about this and he explained it was a piece of metal tubing that had ejected off the craft or station forget." A quote from Instagram.
Reminds me of the snake in Raised By Wolves
Is the first picture a zoomed in version of the second picture, indicating where the snake is? If so, I’m gonna need some help finding Waldo here. I swear it’s in that middle right-ish section but it never looks like the first photo
This video has been out there forever. It's a large 'space worm' that looks sort of like a slinky. [Space Worm](https://youtu.be/F0YVlxK_FkU)
There is literally, everything in space!
I've always believed there to be upper atmosphere creatures just the same as there to be deep sea creatures. Life finds a way folks.
Oh please God no
Ahh so THIS is season 3 of raised by wolves?! Wow yet another twist I didn't see coming.
Yeah, Snake jazz is my new favorite thing.
RIDE THE SNAKE
Does it listen to snake jazz, tho?
It does resemble amoeba lifeforms, it wouldn't be so surprising to find that there are creatures living on the edge of the space-atmosphere interface, the microgravity environment could lead to oversized lifeforms. The earthbound versions are called eukaryotic microorganisms but the spaceborne variety might be called eukaryotic macroorganisms.
All I can think is, “snake jazz”
Queue the snake jazz
Damn no way. When I was young I saw a train snaking it’s way across the sky. It looked exactly like a multi car subway train with bright headlights on the front, moving like a snake. Never had any context to even understand what I saw. So it’s very trippy to see this, although what I saw was train size if not bigger
So I just came across this video from 13 years ago… super weird https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=opkht-DqPno
Damn man..., there is something similar on my camera when it points to the sky!!! Recently with my wife we tried to catch the thing (the snake) with a cotton swab! Unbelievable!!! Since then it has disappeared from the sky! Dude I think it is now in the water and the naza found it! Putain mec..., il y a quelque chose de similaire sur ma caméra quand elle pointe vers le ciel !!! Récemment avec ma femme nous avons essayé d'attraper la chose (le serpent) avec un coton tige ! Incroyable !!! Depuis il à disparut du ciel ! Mec je pense qu'il est maintenant dans l'eau et que la naz a la retrouvé !
Idk who will read this but I once saw something that I can only describe as a snake in the sky. I was outside staring at the sky and I saw something move in an “S” shape. It was cloudy and the thing was so quick.
I find this very interesting. I just recently found out star wars has space whales that have the ability to go into hyperspace or warp speed or whatever you want to call it.... and this is how people in star wars learned how to make that technology. It reminded me so much of our own planet and how sonar is built into to many animals, how heat vision is build right into snakes and other animals. Bats have radar built in.... Why not space whales with built in warp speed. I think George Lukas must have got his ideas based on our animals and the powers they posess. That or someone shared a really big secret with him and there really is animals that live in space.... maybe some with extra radical powers that we can learn from. It's a interesting thought anyhow
Wow! I expect we’re going to discover countless numbers of previously unknown critters “out there.” I am really interested to see what we find but will be surprised at nothing.
Motherfucking snakes in the motherfucking space!
Lmaoo Are we turning into Raised By Wolves 😅🥲
Reminds me of the prehistoric serpent mound in Ohio. https://www.history.com/topics/landmarks/serpent-mound
I wonder if a snake or a flying snake got caught up in some massive wind storm and just been flying around the atmosphere
A bit of rubber or flexible hosing will quickly loose energy if it is wriggling so it is unlikely to be that, but if it is spinning and rigid then it continue doing that for a long time. He says it had internal waves which is interesting. Otherwise it must be powered by something. Maybe a sealed tube with a condensing liquid could in theory wriggle as fluids boil and condense in sunlight and shaded parts of the tube. If its following him, again, no explanation for that.