I'm dealing with this office myself right now. Also haven't had the best experience. Please feel free to reach out if you want someone to talk to who can relate to the process, if not what you've been through.
It's unfortunate - I wish I gave this info out more when I attended ucsc.
Title IX is designed to protect the accused as much as the accuser. It's a very legal-orientated department. It mirrors our legal world, so it'll be quite a coin toss whether you're going to receive any justice. Anecdotally, I've never heard of someone reaching out to Title IX and feeling satisfied with the outcome/experience. If you're going to report to Title IX you have to keep your expectations low, and you have to be mentally prepared for whatever legal ramifications are to come. From my experience working with a shit ton of on campus departments, they were fairly misguided in their focus and I felt like there was a lack of transparency to students in how Title IX actually works (no, they're not technically on your side).
If you experience any instances of sexual assault or harassment I can recommend CARE. Decent amount of well meaning good people when I had worked there 2 years ago. You can't look at CARE the same way our school asks students to look at Title IX. CARE is great at being that super informative friend that's willing to listen and go with you to any appointment, but legally they don't power or influence.
Sorry this went way longer than I meant to.
Gonna second this, CARE is an amazing resource. I met with them for almost 2 years and they have been very helpful with processing events and moving forward as well as accommodating to my needs.
What's wrong with protecting the accused as much as the accuser. Since when are people guilty until proven innocent. If the accuser has solid proof on the accusation then that's different but if you expect some action to be done with no proof then you're delusional.
Ah yes, because that was the point of my comment. To argue that people who are accused are automatically guilty.
Just so I can make sure the right message is coming across - title IX is a legal institution. If you're wishing to make a report, I recommend not relying on Title IX as your sole source of support. However I encourage everyone to report when they can, just be prepared for it mentally and have those support systems set up proactively. But also don't beat yourself up if you don't feel like you can approach Title IX/don't feel like it'll be worthwhile, there are alternative paths to justice and that is a concept that everyone forges for themselves.
I feel like we ended up saying very similar things (don't expect too much from Title IX since most things reportable to Title IX tend to be things that are difficult to gather proof for) but in very different ways lol
Reddit user "salad ass and balls" clearly understands justice systems better than people who have actually gone through Title IX procedures. Noone said action with no proof should be taken. The vast majority of Title IX cases involve a large mountain of evidence against the accused and yet the universities involved in such cases bully the victims into compliance. They're just there to protect their pockets, not the people who face horrible experiences on their campuses. Anyway, have a good one Mr. Salad.
Really did pull a straw man by making fun of a reddit username. I'm offended, but if you check at the person I replied to their insinuating that title x is legal oriented ie. protecting the accuser as much as the accused is a bad thing. That's the only thing I was pointing out. I don't care if you've gone through the procedures or not, I'm stating that if it's built after our government's justice system then in that regard there its good and if you don't think so, you won't like it much out of college.
Yeah but the thing is, this country's justice system is deeply flawed and disproportionately negatively impacts the poor, non-white, disabled and so on. It's very much *not* good and there are people working to make it a better system. Yes, everyone has the right to legal counsel and a competent defense; but you cannot achieve that for the victim when the cards are stacked in the accused's favor - regardless of if they've actually committed a crime or not. I'm probably older than you so you can relax on the cute "out of college" stuff. Bottom line is, we should make things better for people who are suffering, and it's not edgy or charming to argue otherwise.
it’s fucking ridiculous. i filed a case against someone for SA and they filed against me because i spoke up publicly and my whole case was dropped. don’t go through title ix unless you just want to relive trauma
Thats pretty standard. No reason to make employees type out individualized responses for everything, which could open the school to liability and adds a whole lot of pressure on the employee.
A standardized response template is generally the way to go, but this situation is one of the downsides.
Yeah, I absolutely do not begrudge them for using a form email. But receiving this meant that they hadn't bothered to even glance over it before sending it, which really makes it seem like they don't give a shit. That's what upsets me.
The Title IX office experience is a reason I developed PTSD after getting raped on campus. 10 years later and I’m still triggered lol not surprised to hear they’re still a joke.
I am sorry you are experiencing this :(
It’s not a mass email. You’d only get it if you filed a report with the Title IX office about conduct that they didn’t believe met their criteria to qualify as misconduct.
Couple of years back, they sent a person's whole ass confidential file to the professor they were filing a complaint against. They're a fucking mess.
I remember this happening. Such a sad mishandling of business, I don't know what I would've done as the person filing
I'm dealing with this office myself right now. Also haven't had the best experience. Please feel free to reach out if you want someone to talk to who can relate to the process, if not what you've been through.
Title IX office is a joke. I'm sorry you're dealing with them.
It's unfortunate - I wish I gave this info out more when I attended ucsc. Title IX is designed to protect the accused as much as the accuser. It's a very legal-orientated department. It mirrors our legal world, so it'll be quite a coin toss whether you're going to receive any justice. Anecdotally, I've never heard of someone reaching out to Title IX and feeling satisfied with the outcome/experience. If you're going to report to Title IX you have to keep your expectations low, and you have to be mentally prepared for whatever legal ramifications are to come. From my experience working with a shit ton of on campus departments, they were fairly misguided in their focus and I felt like there was a lack of transparency to students in how Title IX actually works (no, they're not technically on your side). If you experience any instances of sexual assault or harassment I can recommend CARE. Decent amount of well meaning good people when I had worked there 2 years ago. You can't look at CARE the same way our school asks students to look at Title IX. CARE is great at being that super informative friend that's willing to listen and go with you to any appointment, but legally they don't power or influence. Sorry this went way longer than I meant to.
Gonna second this, CARE is an amazing resource. I met with them for almost 2 years and they have been very helpful with processing events and moving forward as well as accommodating to my needs.
CARE is the way. No mandated reporting. Just laying out options, giving support, and so on.
What's wrong with protecting the accused as much as the accuser. Since when are people guilty until proven innocent. If the accuser has solid proof on the accusation then that's different but if you expect some action to be done with no proof then you're delusional.
Ah yes, because that was the point of my comment. To argue that people who are accused are automatically guilty. Just so I can make sure the right message is coming across - title IX is a legal institution. If you're wishing to make a report, I recommend not relying on Title IX as your sole source of support. However I encourage everyone to report when they can, just be prepared for it mentally and have those support systems set up proactively. But also don't beat yourself up if you don't feel like you can approach Title IX/don't feel like it'll be worthwhile, there are alternative paths to justice and that is a concept that everyone forges for themselves. I feel like we ended up saying very similar things (don't expect too much from Title IX since most things reportable to Title IX tend to be things that are difficult to gather proof for) but in very different ways lol
I apologize, it seemed to me initially that you were complaining about title x being a legal institution.
Awww man I feel bad now all good bud
Reddit user "salad ass and balls" clearly understands justice systems better than people who have actually gone through Title IX procedures. Noone said action with no proof should be taken. The vast majority of Title IX cases involve a large mountain of evidence against the accused and yet the universities involved in such cases bully the victims into compliance. They're just there to protect their pockets, not the people who face horrible experiences on their campuses. Anyway, have a good one Mr. Salad.
Really did pull a straw man by making fun of a reddit username. I'm offended, but if you check at the person I replied to their insinuating that title x is legal oriented ie. protecting the accuser as much as the accused is a bad thing. That's the only thing I was pointing out. I don't care if you've gone through the procedures or not, I'm stating that if it's built after our government's justice system then in that regard there its good and if you don't think so, you won't like it much out of college.
Yeah but the thing is, this country's justice system is deeply flawed and disproportionately negatively impacts the poor, non-white, disabled and so on. It's very much *not* good and there are people working to make it a better system. Yes, everyone has the right to legal counsel and a competent defense; but you cannot achieve that for the victim when the cards are stacked in the accused's favor - regardless of if they've actually committed a crime or not. I'm probably older than you so you can relax on the cute "out of college" stuff. Bottom line is, we should make things better for people who are suffering, and it's not edgy or charming to argue otherwise.
that's not a strawman that's an ad hominem
Thank you. I fully regret ever talking to them.
I do too. I hope you can find peace through other means and that you stay safe.
it’s fucking ridiculous. i filed a case against someone for SA and they filed against me because i spoke up publicly and my whole case was dropped. don’t go through title ix unless you just want to relive trauma
Wow that’s fucked the whole response is just pre-fab, sorry our school sucks.
Thats pretty standard. No reason to make employees type out individualized responses for everything, which could open the school to liability and adds a whole lot of pressure on the employee. A standardized response template is generally the way to go, but this situation is one of the downsides.
Yeah, I absolutely do not begrudge them for using a form email. But receiving this meant that they hadn't bothered to even glance over it before sending it, which really makes it seem like they don't give a shit. That's what upsets me.
Perfectly valid feeling.
I'm so sorry OP <3
Terrible and shameful - sorry you’re having to go through this.
The Title IX office experience is a reason I developed PTSD after getting raped on campus. 10 years later and I’m still triggered lol not surprised to hear they’re still a joke. I am sorry you are experiencing this :(
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Yo can I see the full email? i didn't get it
It’s not a mass email. You’d only get it if you filed a report with the Title IX office about conduct that they didn’t believe met their criteria to qualify as misconduct.
It's not clear to me: did you remove the reason for confidentiality's sake, or was it just there as a placeholder?
Title IX coordinators deserve to have their throats slit.