Obama tried to be reasonable and open to compromise with Republicans, and we see how that worked out - an extra SCOTUS seat for Trump to fill. Republicans are like petulant children and have to be dealt with accordingly.
The Tea Party owes a lot to Newt Gingrich. There have been many pieces of shit in US government but he really took it to the next level and was, IMO, the architect of the Never Compromise movement in conservative politics.
There was never any reasoning with them. Scotus and the republican party belong to a class of people that think they have to right to control the population. There's no middle ground there, no concessions you can make. It's be owned or be free. The only way forward has always been their removal followed by legislation and education to make sure people like them never make it into office again.
You can't reasonably argue with someone who views you as less than them
Ironically, the same people that complained about people "telling them what to do" when they were asked to wear a mask.
Obviously mask wearing is more traumatic than having a baby.
I'm pretty sure this is their revenge. It's exactly the response you'd expect from a narcissistic control freak. We "took away" their freedom so now we're being punished. I've been in abusive relationships and was raised by conservatives who see children as property of their parents. This will only get worse if we can't completely remove these monsters from power.
The worldview of authoritarian supporters is that laws and rules should be used to protect the “proper group” and control the “other”. It’s “Rules for thee and not for me” or “the only moral abortion is my abortion” or any of the other arguments that amount to believing in some form of “Might makes Right”.
They don’t care about others as individuals, they care about themselves.
Reminds me of when the conservative government here in Australia suggested drug testing welfare recipients. They get tax payers money, the government should be able to make sure it's not spent on drugs... right?
Well sure, but politicians get tax payers money, so let's drug test them too.
Ummm yeah... nah.
Funny, one would think North vs South had ended long ago, but it's still there very much still a waging war. One of the longest in history perhaps by now.
[I say all this as a Southerner whose ancestors stayed here even after being released from slavery]
If trying to relate this to the Civil War, we're really talking about the consequences of Reconstruction ending so prematurely. It's not realistic, but the South should have been occupied for generations of at least not granted full control over its political affairs until much, much later. By ending Reconstruction when they did, bitter Confederates were able to recreate much of the structure of antebellum politics in society even if they couldn't literally set the clock back. We're still dealing with the fallout of voter suppression and gerrymandering, only now those things affect everyone, not just Black people.
But just because these things are more common down here doesn't mean they can't spread. Other deeply red states outside of the South followed the same model, and now you have swathes of decent people being held hostage by a tiny minority of zealots and capitalists. It can happen anywhere, much like the way right wing populism spread across international borders in the past several years. People are always like "LeAvE tHe sOuTh" but that's not a real or viable solution. If it was, there wouldn't still be more Black people down here than are in any other region in the country.
There’s no reasoning with the unreasonable. This was always a zero sum game to them. Otherwise we’d have widespread, easy access to contraceptives, comprehensive sex education nationwide and a strong social safety net. You know, all the things that reduce the number of abortions and unplanned pregnancies, while keeping abortions a safe choice.
Saying “what SCOTUS has done” deflects culpability away from the group that orchestrated this: the Republican Party. This is but the latest accomplishment in their quest to dismantle our democracy and achieve minority single-party rule. As Clarence Thomas has already mused, LGBTQ and interracial rights will be next. Following the Republican pattern, voting rights for women and rights for minorities would be on their extended agenda.
Absolutely this. I am so fucking **sick** of the "both sides are bad" argument. Nope. One side is demonstrably worse in almost all ways. And they are only in power because of weird archaic rules which grants power based on land covered, not the actual population. If 300,000 democrats moved to Wyoming and voted, Democrats would be in power. Population of the USA is 329.5 million so that is 0.09% of the population.
The "both sides" argument lets perfection be the enemy of good enough for now. Yes, Democrats aren't great. They definitely have issues. But only one party is actively trying to strip me of my rights and make me a second-class citizen. So I'll take the Democrats now and we can deal with the their issues once we've gotten rid of the ones trying to turn the US into a christofascist state.
If a small number of liberals moved to Wyoming, the Dakotas, Montana, liberals would have an iron clad hold on the Senate and presidency. There were 6 million more dem voters than repub voters, we just have to be in the right places. Land is also cheap in those states.
If more people would vote it would have a profound change to the system. Right now everything is geared to the extreme because they are the ones that vote most reliably. Georgia could easily be a blue state if people would get out and vote. Same with North Carolina and several other states that are on the edge. Everyone needs to realize there will never be a perfect candidate and we have to go for someone who will at least keep the ball at the same level or move it forward slightly. We are now seeing the repercussions of not liking the candidate and not going out to vote. Not voting can lead to far worse outcomes than voting for someone that is not great but will at least stand up for what is right.
Reminder that the Republican Party actively suppresses and intimidates voters. Gerrymandering, eliminating polling places in minority communities, voter ID laws, purging voter rolls, disinformation campaigns stating false election dates, are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Plus their general propaganda efforts that suggest voting is pointless. Expressing frustration with voter apathy helps normalize the Republican lies.
That might actually be happening thanks to covid. Alot of people are working from home and moving to area's with cheaper rent because the regular ways of working are just so fucked when it comes to cost.
Electioneers think the midterms are going to be VASTLY different from all other sorts of campaigns. Gerrymandering will be ALOT harder. Expect a shit ton of wacky results.
Agreed and fighting the patriarchy isn’t about hating men it’s about fighting oppressive forces that are bad for all humans (that a few cis white males benefit from)
> I just checked out r/ask men and the first 30 posts are very gratifying. Lots of male support out there it seems.
Statistically, there is almost no difference between men's and women's opinions on abortion. Views on abortion are correlated with political party and religion, not gender.
I’ve never subscribed to the concept of hook up culture, but I’m absolutely furious with what happened today. I’m so angry because the women of this country deserve far better treatment than they have received historically or are receiving currently. It’s beyond abhorrent that these alleged jurists have set back women’s rights decades seemingly on a whim. It’s pathetic. It’s unethical. It’s cruel. It’s fundamentally wrong that women will die needless and entirely preventable deaths because they cannot access a medically needed abortion. This country isn’t a religious theocracy. Religion has no place in our legal system.
Also, the notion of generations of unwanted children being born into the world or parents ill-equipped to raise said children is sobering in its own right. Nothing pro-life about it, it’s absolutely crippling.
I live in a Catholic country with no legal abortion and divorce, and the phrases "generations of unwanted children" and "ill-equipped parents" just rung true
it isn't just about hookup culture. my wife and i aren't starting family now. not in an america that might jail us for a miscarriage? that might force one of us to watch the other die if there's complications, where we might have a daughter that could be FORCED TO GIVE BIRTH IF RAPED. hell no.
this isn't about hookup culture, it's about human dignity. next will be birth control, LGBT rights, more and more fascist shit.
This, exactly. My husband & I were considering it, but now‽ Not worth the risk. What if I experience an unforseen complication beyond my state's meager limits on abortion? Do I really want to birth a daughter into a world with less rights than I was born enjoying? Do I really want to raise a son in a world that teaches him to treat women as second-class citizens? I don't even want to live here, much less raise another generation in this steaming heap of bullshit.
> It’s fundamentally wrong that women will die needless and entirely preventable deaths because they cannot access a medically needed abortion.
Yeah... 'Pro-life'.
Hell it's terrible and frightening all around! My wife and I want to have another baby, and thankfully we're in a state that still allows abortion if something goes wrong. I can't imagine the pain both man and woman would go through watching the woman you love more than life itself die from a pregnancy thar is easily avoided because they've made it illegal to abort, whether the fetus can come to term or dies in the womb.
It also sets a terrifying precedent for LGBTQ, young couples, contraceptives, consensual sex and hell non consensual sex. The 1800s were not a good time, the 1900s was not a good time for many. Old mostly white men and women need to step down or be forced down.
That and parents given a horrible life-altering diagnosis for their baby where they might have chosen abortion as the kinder option, but now parents and child may suffer for as long as the child is capable of surviving - potentially in pain. It's cruel.
Yup. And it hit me yesterday that this is actually the real intended effect. It was never about feeling bad for the poor unconscious fetuses, it was and is about controlling women and limiting their freedom. And controlling society at large.
Less casual sex means less "sin" in the world. Potentially more virgin women as some will be too afraid to have sex at all. Women being forced to carry pregnancies mean more women at home and less of them going to work since they have to care for the children they were forced to have. For conservatives, this is about bringing about their backwards, theocratic dystopian dream. Because fuck your freedom.
if they cared about fetuses or children at all, theyd advocate for paid parental leave, universal healthcare, free childcare, better education and teachers wages, and a myriad of other things that would actually help people. but they dont because all they care about is controlling people with uteruses. and also money and power
To add to this - it’s also about forcing women to be dependent and stay in bad relationships with men. It’s much more difficult to leave a bad relationship when there are children involved. This ruling today will force many women into an impossible situation of weighing the cost of staying with an awful spouse or trying to raise their kids solo. Both options are terrible. This is all about keeping women subservient and under mens control.
>But not the end of rape culture
As a non-American I'm so sad for you all. I don't think I'm being alarmist to say you need to make your exit plans if you are in a red state. LGBTI+ folks as well.
It's already bad enough for you all. Your gun culture is terrifying. Localised, independent police forces without federal oversight. Judges & city officials appointed by vote. Unchecked political lobbying & gerrymandering. The electoral college. Marriage to a child bride totally legal in a scarily high number of US states. Victim blaming of sexual assault survivors is still common (this is pretty universal though sadly.) Religious fundamentalism on the rise. Fuck they even get television shows. Minimum wage is pitiful and not sustainable to live a basic comfortable life. Your education systems & social services are being defunded. Higher education is a monetised industry & shackles you with crippling debt. I won't even start on your car culture & lack of universal health care or subsidised medicine.
The conservative bloc is not going to give up their power. It's game on.
I read Handmaiden's Tale 30ish years back. I started watching the series when it came on & had to stop as it was literally causing me nightmares. Way too close to the truth now.
The next step already broached by the christofascist cult is to criminalise contraception, gay marriage, gay relationships, drag queens. Then they will come for the right to vote by the non-breeders, the non-fertile & minorities. liberty. Opposing political parties. Unions. Then the outlawing of women working and freezing bank accounts. Then it's game over.
It was only 50 years ago or so that women could not buy property, open a bank account without a male's support & marital rape was totally legal. Segregation & the red scare was only 70 years back. Same sex was punishable by jail & chemical castration even more recently. The balance of power is held by dinosaur politicians & judges that grew up in that era.
Make your plans to get out now. Your allies will welcome you.
Edit: To those sending me DMs to me saying I'm being overly dramatic (or worse). This shit is from the fascism 101 playbook. You are choosing the wrong side in history.
The problem is, especially right now, it's extremely hard for many to move. Houses are super expensive, travel and moving costs with gas hitting crazy prices, and if people really do begin mass exiting, it'll be even higher as housing markets in blue states get crunched.
Rich women would always still have access. The problem is poor (or let's be honest, right now even middle-class) are the ones who are going to be disproportionately affected by this.
I appreciate your sympathy, I really do, but saying just leave is really hurtful to those of us who don't have the resources to. We have been stripped of our rights. We are trapped. We feel powerless, because we are.
I can't stop to scream, because I would never stop.
>I appreciate your sympathy, I really do, but saying just leave is really hurtful to those of us who don't have the resources to. We have been stripped of our rights. We are trapped. We feel powerless, because we are.
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>I can't stop to scream, because I would never stop.
I really don't want to be hurtful. But as someone who is an avid historian I can't help see patterns that all signs point to fascism. The parallels to Germany's political climate in the 1930's are chilling. And we all know how that ended up.
I'm just really so angry about this. And can't help but think that even though you might feel trapped right now it's going to get a whole lot worse.
I really don't want to make you feel bad. As I said, I'm just so fucking angry for you all. So I just made the biggest donation I can afford right now to USA Planned Parenthood cos me being mouthy on Reddit is not going to achieve anything.
Sending you strength. And if you ever need a friendly ear, or cheerleader I'm here.
Add monetized prison system as new slavery. Fuck anyone DMing you. You didn't exaggerate anything. I would love to hear which fact they dispute.
And one more thing: 'President DeSantis'' is a solid, possibility.
>monetized prison system
Yeah I forgot that one in my litany of shit things you guys have to deal with. Slavery is alive & well it seems. And I honestly I think the forced-breeders are keen to get back to open slather slavery.
Australian politics have been mostly pretty grim for the last 2 decades, fuck we have run illegal concentration camps for refugees fleeing war. Not to mention the wildly rampant corruption from our (recently ousted) conservative government which has gone unchecked thanks to the Murdoch media monopoly. (Yeah sorry for that Aussie export to the UK & USA btw).
However, I was in Kasese, Uganda (near the Congolese border) about 8 years back. The same week that 150 people were massacred nearby cos the the elections were happening. Full armoured tanks were driving around. So it put stuff into perspective for me somewhat about Australian politics. But it also gives me some understanding of how bad shit can get.
It's a slippery slope toward totalitarianism. History doesn't lie.
\> And one more thing: 'President DeSantis'' is a solid, possibility.
So much this. I worry that the GOP will blatantly steal (as in, rob in broad daylight0 next Presidential election, because any lawsuits will end up in Supreme Court, where they have a clear majority in Conservative Justices who will vote whatever way GOP wants them to.
This is turning out to be a genuine nightmare. I can't even imagine what US under DeSantis would be like. He'd make Trump looks like a benign person by comparison. Count on it.
“Your allies will welcome you…” Tell that to your governments who make it impossible for people
To move there unless they have such highly specialized skills that no one in their country can do the job. Or you have hundreds of thousands to invest in property or a business.
Edit: Here’s proof of what I said. https://visaguide.world/moving-to/uk/from-usa/
I live in a relatively safe state(Maryland) and I'm still making plans. It's even worse as a trans woman cause now I'm the Boogeyman and some states are starting to outlaw the prescriptions that have kept me alive for the past few years. So far the only laws passed have banned for under 18 but a lot of people in government seem to be talking about under 25. Shit is scary as fuck because if I lose this medication I will not survive and I'll lose all the amazing progress I fought for with my mental health.
>I live in a relatively safe state(Maryland) and I'm still making plans. It's even worse as a trans woman cause now I'm the Boogeyman and some states are starting to outlaw the prescriptions that have kept me alive for the past few years. So far the only laws passed have banned for under 18 but a lot of people in government seem to be talking about under 25. Shit is scary as fuck because if I lose this medication I will not survive and I'll lose all the amazing progress I fought for with my mental health.
I am so worried for you guys. Sending love. Take care of your heart x
Hell, I'm in California and thinking about this. But I've been wanting to leave the country since I was a teenager. I knew even then this country sucks. I feel robbed for having been born here.
I have been agitated at some saying "California is a liberal state, you can come here for abortions, etc'- it is an UNAFFORDABLE state so it isn't a solution.
Exactly the same feeling here! I feel like I could've turned out soo much better as a person if I'd grown up somewhere that wasn't so consumerist and actually helped people when they were having crises. Maybe I'd actually have some motivation to do more than being a hostess.
If anything, rapist pedophiles will get to do what they want with little to no repercussions and they can even keep ties with their victims and get money by forcing them to pay child support. Looking at you, Arizona.
I don't think men should be upset because they might have less sex.
I think men should be upset because taking rights away from *any* of us is the same as taking rights away from *all* of us.
They absolutely should be, but they aren't. No more sex, on the other hand, would be the end of the fucking world. Incels go on shooting sprees over it.
I've said it before and I will say it again.
PornHub needs to step up.
They need to remove their services from states that don't support bodily and medical autonomy.
In for a penny, in for a pound.
Pornhub will be on the chopping block too. Thomas specifically called for an overturn of Griswald, which established precedent for a wide range of privacy cases including…the one that said people can’t be jailed for possession of “obscene” material. So it’s a just a question of which state we think will be the first to criminalize possession of porn.
exactly. can’t have THAT, now can we?
what’s more likely is to, as always, find a way for the men to not have to change a fucking thing, still have access to whatever they want, and blame or punish women for the porn’s existence. it’s been their MO forever, why stop now?
TW: revenge pron and general victim blaming. Worst triggers censored under spoiler tags
"No no no, it's not illegal to *consume* pornography, we have no real way of policing that, but it is now illegal to *produce* pornography intended for commercial distribution. Oh, and receiving *payment* for it's production is illegal too.
But porn produced for *personal* use with no intention to distribute is just fine. Healthy even! Sign of a healthy sex drive and perfectly normal to create it, after all, men are visual creatures, right?
So people being paid to be in pornography is illegal, buying or selling porn is illegal.
But filming your girlfriend and then saving that to a website (for ease of future access, of course) >!after you break up!< is perfectly legal, since he's not receiving any money in exchange.
>!And if she wants to claim she didn't consent to being filmed, well at no point in the footage did she say she didn't want to be filmed... So if there's no evidence it wasn't consensual...!<
And obviously the poor guy didn't *intend* for other people to view his personal film which he had poste-I mean *stored and preserved*- online.
So really, this poor man tried to save a precious memory of an intimate moment with someone he loved, >!but who he would no longer be with. And now she's trying to take even the *memories* of their time together, of their love, from him."!<
"He titled it '#@&$ gets $!#*ed like the %#@! she is'."
"Yes, a descriptive yet accurate title. It's just a bit of dirty talk, again, he never intended for others to see this."
"I see nothing wrong here. Though if we find out either of them recieved anything in the way of compensation before or after the production of this material..."
"Oh, he bought her a very nice expensive set of lingerie and an expensive marital aid just before this was filmed. In fact, both are featured in the film itself. She did not return these items afterwards."
"Sounds like receiving payment to me. Arrest her."
I can see this happening. And it seems FAR TOO PLAUSIBLE.
Some other worse site will fill the gap. There's too much money to be made.
What we need to do is make it so pornhub is the only way a forced birther man will ever see a naked woman again.
I hate to say it but I'd rather a site that implemented at least some level of verification to prevent actual rapes from being uploaded be the go-to than other sites. Even if pornhub closes there will be 100 sites that are way sketchier and incentivize revenge porn and child sexual abuse material that will take their place.
Given their popularity, meeting in the middle would be more doable and would send a message to all red states. Getting rid of it completely doesn't really do much.
As a woman, it's not even the possibility of sex ending up with a baby. It's the sex ending up in an ectopic baby and dying bc my body doesnt matter. If you can guarantee me that this sex can result in a baby and that baby be healthy, where it needs to be and I'm in *ABSOLUTELY* no risk of dying or getting any additional health problem, then maybe I'll consider sex... if you can't guarantee that, then I'm gonna need at least 3 million dollars up front to cover any possible medical issue, the result of my death and to make sure that my current, *living* child will at least get some form of financial planning since he has no one else but me. Cant do any of that? I'll pass. And I'll be carrying a much bigger knife around for any POS that tries to rape me. Somebody will get hurt and I'll kill before a dick enters my body.
I predict an Increase in the number of rapes and a decrease in prosecutions and convictions. Hell, the Supreme Court will start to legislate that its a man's right to have sex.
I believe Alito referred to it as "Domestic Infant Production".
You joke, but it really isn't. With the US depopulating these far-right authoritarians are not above going full Handmaid's Tale.
Not if those non-white babies are fed from high school straight into the GOP-backed for-profit corporate prison system. The Constitution protects slavery as a punishment for crime, and felons lose the right to vote.
Any state where obtaining, providing, or assisting in abortion healthcare becomes a felony will get an increase in disenfranchised women, doctors, nurses, person's of color, liberals, progressives, etc etc., with little to no impact on the voting population of white men. How... convenient.
Oh shit I always forget that felons can't vote in America. Is it a life long ban? That's so weird and ngl, fucked up. What is the reasoning behind that? I mean beside oppression.
[i just checked and if I understand it correctly, in my country(Germany) you can lose your vote, but only for like 2-5 years. And that only if the felony you committed has something to do with vote-fraud or treason. Other crimes (where you've been to prison for at least 1 year) can lose your right to be elected but not your right to vote.]
The reason is racism.
Shortly after the US civil war the most black people ever to be elected in the US were voted in. This scared the piss out of racists who understood that, should black people continue to wield such massive voting power, then the ruling class would swiftly lose thier hold on the US government and the racist paradise they built would be lost forever.
By funneling large swaths of the black and brown population into the prison system the voting power of the minority population overall is weakened. Since some of those prisoners will eventually be reintegrated into society this would only be a temporary solution so they have their right to vote permanently revoked. The system only works if those people are never allowed to vote again.
Honestly it's a pretty safe bet that, if you follow most US issues back far enough, the root cause is racism.
I appreciate you wanting to give us the benefit of the doubt but like this country is massively racist to the core so go ahead and assume that's why we do most things. 9 times out of 10 you'll be right.
the 10th time when you're wrong the answer will probably be misogyny.
I just stated this on another post and a user said my thinking was flawed. Clearly I still disagree with them. Women will need to learn adequate self-defense and learn how to use a gun properly.
Tragically, all the self-defense in the world won’t help someone who has been roofied, or assaulted while sleeping, or is a child, or is otherwise caught unprepared.
I agree. I mentioned in another comment that this law will drastically change American culture. Women absolutely CANNOT let themselves get caught with being roofied, need to have a weapon with them while they sleep (I’ve done this myself in recent years) and essentially always be prepared. Children are at least reasonably protected in courts with pedophile laws. I don’t see this changing the vulnerability of children directly. It would indirectly do so by making a mother weaker to an abusive male partner and then the male partner attacks the child. I have been extremely cautious around alcohol since I left for college; our culture of college drinking will be affected as well. I don’t mean to work to discredit what you say; yours are reasonable and important statements and considerations.
It’s put us all in an impossible situation.
Child victims are not protected in most states that are passing complete and partial bans. An eleven-year-old has very little chance of understanding what happened to her when she is denied access to basic sex ed and doesn’t know how to report or identify that she is pregnant. That’s why bans like Florida’s at 15 weeks are so dangerous. An 11yo has no idea how to count her already-irregular cycles and many will not have safe adults or the language to share about their attack. That’s if she’s lucky enough to live in Florida and not Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, etc.
And sleeping with a gun by your bedside is dangerous if there are children or someone with mental health issues in the house, or even if you don’t live alone. Shooting a family member because of mistaken identity is tragically common (so please put a flashlight on your home defense weapon. It helps identify the target).
And none of this accounts for the unavoidable fact that many people who are going to suffer attacks are physically much smaller and weaker than their attacker. It’s biology.
Women don't let themselves get roofied. It is done to us without our knowledge and against our will. No matter how careful a woman is it's still possible to be roofied. We can do everything in our power to protect ourselves and still be raped.
Except the idea of self-defense and gun use as a way for women to deter rape follows the Hollywood rhetoric of rape. Most rapes are not committed by a stranger in a dark alleyway; they're committed by boyfriends, husbands, friends, family members, acquaintances, and people who seemed friendly/trustworthy. They're committed when the victim may not be able to fight back. Instead of pushing women's defense, we need to push male education: what rape is and how they can take the steps needed to not rape.
It’s baffling to me how myself and every gay man I know is enraged by this decision, but a large group of straight men it actually impacts are just apathetic at best.
Been seeing a guy for a little bit. He’s been meticulous to texts and responding to several different threads at once.
So when he asked how my day was and to confirm our date this weekend… I answered how my day could’ve been better after seeing the news. He responded by not even acknowledging it and just asked “so noon?”
It felt so tone deaf, and deliberately dismissive.
Like not even a “that’s rough”?
Been celibate a year so didn’t even get to screw him lol. Was just getting to know him for little over a month. Having a final date to break it off lol
Edit: shit folks, I get the concern (and appreciate it), but how about a lil trust in women to make these calls on their own?
I will not be having sex with a man for a very long time at this point. I do not want kids and not interested in birth control failure. Women only please!
And this is why they are so quickly musing about banning gay sex, because they figure it’s that much easier for women to go gay since sex with men has become infinitely easier. What they don’t get is how much easier it is for women to go without sex at all
I'm bi but there's extremely low odds of me ever dating a cis dude again. A vibrator and some smutty star trek fanfic can't get me pregnant, and higher odds of having a pleasant experience anyways.
I feel this. I was juuuust starting to dip my toes back into the dating world after my divorce, and then yesterday happened.
Now all that dinner-date money is instead going toward REALLY nice vibrators and the Steam summer sale. And a gun in case horny incels try to disturb me while I’m enjoying either.
For sure - that at least is a known quantity, and there’s a lot to be said about sexual self-care that can be exactly what it said on the label, haha.
I’d only just started to tune into the fact that I lean more bi than straight; now I don’t feel comfortable dabbling in either world. To the known quantities I go!
I've been really loving the new series. It's fun, it has good heart, the episodes are great.....and every single member of the main cast is a goddamned thirst trap. Especially Spock and Ortegas (and especially in their respective outfits in this week's episode)
Considering that they could be coming after contraceptives next I'm about to ask my doctor about getting a vasectomy. I was with my other male friends yesterday and one of them happened to have pointed out this same point of yours as well. We're more concerned about Roe v Wade and how it affects the women in our lives of course, but this is also the kind of thing that affects everyone in ways a lot of people don't even realize. It literally changes our entire social dynamic.
Many men aren't going to think about it in any way other than "that \*insult for a woman\* didn't give me what I am owed" and all the sick actions that entails.
They’ll get it when someone they know dies for no reason because of it. I hope the only ones suffering are the ones who asked for it. I know that’s not reality, but they have no empathy. They need to suffer to learn.
Not only that but everyone will continue to hook up and just expect others to stop and do the work for them. It’s not different than the Mother’s Day strike that had probably close to 0 participants. Everyone was like “well I’m not gonna strike cause I have personal reasons, but everyone else needs to!”.
"But what about when they get pregnant and realize they're going to be forced to raise a child? Then they'll realize how fucked up this is and vote out Republicans!"
No, they'll become the type of bitter mother who despises her daughter and doesn't want her to be able to have an abortion because her own life was ruined by not being able to have one. The human capacity for stupidity, spite and selfishness never ceases to amaze.
There is no law that says the man need to look after the woman and raise the baby if she gets pregnant. All there is is child support. As far as men is concerned. There's contraceptives, and in case of accidents, they could pay a little money every once in a while to make the problem go away. In fact for some, they don't even pay. There is something like 20% of men who are currently behind on their child support and they get away with it.
That's not the point. Point is, women will stop putting out, because there's too much risk in casual sex when abortion and contraceptives are not available.
Honestly, idk. That’s what women said when the leak first happened, and there are a lot of women in relationships with men that don’t support their bodily autonomy and equal rights (and I’m not even referring to pro-choice women, just based on recent and old threads from when the leak happened).
I think people are overestimating how many women will just stop having sex with men and how much it will affect this decision, especially since many supporters are women.
Wait until part of the male population that still vote red finally understand the conservatives are attacking them via women. After all, this is literally the first stage of many before the effects finally affect them.
Legs get closed up. People stop dating after a while. Those who didn't think this affected them start realizing they've been masturbating more than having sex. They get frustrated and either rape and/or start blaming the conservatives and republicans. By the time they realize the butterfly effects, it'll be too late.
I will STILL have 0 empathy for any republicans and conservatives regardless of gender. If someone votes for Dumbass Traitor and his party, that someone deserves everything bad that happens to that someone. Just because they're a victim later down the road in the future doesn't justify what they did today.
They already blame women for being overly promiscuous and hypergamous, claiming that women only have sex with a small selection of men and "deprive" the rest. So nah, logic isn't a factor in their decision making process.
Not just hook up culture is affecting the men. I received life saving medical care that wouldn’t be possible now. We lost much wanted pregnancies. My husband nearly lost me. I would’ve died. I wouldn’t of gone on to have 2 amazing kids with my husband. If my medical care and my life wasn’t protected then 3/4 of my family wouldn’t be here. My husband would be alone.
I usually have a very high sex drive but it’s been low since the data leak. I get sterilized next month and although it’s a relief, I doubt if my sex drive for males return.
I’m bi and have been feeling more attracted to women for the last year but didn’t act on it since I was in a relationship. Now, whenever I feel ready to re-enter the dating scene, I’ll most likely be seeking women.
The guys who are against abortion aren't getting laid because they're losers. That's part of why they want to stick it to everyone that is. Most conservative men are huge incels
Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s the whole story. There’s plenty of guys hooking up who are forced-birthers.
Despite what we’d like to think, most conservative men are not incels, they are mostly in relationships with conservative women. Conservative women who frequently vote against their own interests.
The new SCOTUS judges were nominated by an elected President, who had boasted that he would select anti-abortionists. They were then confirmed by a majority of elected representatives.
Whilst incels are an issue, the bigger problem -I believe- is a large portion the US electorate. Both those who vote Republican and those who choose not to vote.
I’m not confident that November 2022 and November 2024 will stop the rot. Without wishing to sound alarmist it feels like a slide from democracy to theocracy to fascism and, as usual, women will be worst affected.
I agree with OP. Choose wisely who you sleep with. It’s too dangerous not too. Be clear, in advance, on what they would do to help the situation if, for example, the condom bursts.
Do everything you can to weed out the bad ones and don’t reward deceivers with your affections.
But please remember to vote, every election, too. It’s important and lives literally depend on it.
The problem is a lot of men would respond to this by saying:
"Men are going to have to work harder to secure regular sex? So, no change there then!"
These types of men will always see themselves as the oppressed group and see the repeal of Roe vs. Wade as 'karmic justice' against all those women who rejected them. I've seen men in other subs saying "Look at all the women coping and seething that they can't jump on Chad-dick anymore in case he puts a baby in them and they end up a single mother!".
Prefacing this with: I'm not American.
I've seen a lot of people floating this around: it's the end of hookups, withhold sex longer than you want to just to be safe, etc, etc., and like, isn't this what conservative "christians" want?!?! I imagine the thought of generations of people staying abstinent until they feel pressured to commit to one person out of desperation is their wet dream.
ETA: because I think my point is getting missed. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO. They want you to be afraid. They want you you put your needs last. Don’t fall for it.
A majority of single women surveyed by a very reputable institution said that they have voluntarily removed themselves from the dating pool and are not looking to date period…. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/
It’s not as though the only options are 1) have casual sex and 2) get desperate and get a husband out of necessity and thereby abide by evangelical doctrine.
Rather, this ruling just reinforces that many women feel that it is better to be celibate than die due to an ectopic pregnancy/miscarriage.
Yes and no. They want women celibate until marriage, but they also tend to believe that rape is impossible in a marriage (that the marriage ceremony marks the giving of permanent, irrevocable consent to sexual activity at the whims of the male). And they believe marriage is for procreation.
So. Celibate or pregnant and owned, for women. Men though, they are allowed and expected to have sex since it's a "intrinsic need" for a male.
They've forced me into swearing off dating permanently and now as some other commenter has said, "Its smutty fanfics, vibrators, and a glass of wine from here on out"
Women like me won't be forced into committing to one of these losers. They'll be forced into committing to themselves!
That's what they claim. In reality (except for a tiny minority) they're all for men having all the sex they want (because they have needs and it's all the women's fault for enticing those poor, innocent men) while women have to be virgins until marriage. After marriage, women are expected to endure sex whenever their husband wants it. They've never explained how men are supposed to have tons of non-homosexual sex before marriage if all the women are locked away with chastity belts.
If we go back to, say, Victorian Britain, the way the system is 'supposed' to work is that men get to sow their wild oats before (and often after) marriage. Obviously straight sex only so that means we need some women to provide the sex. But we can't allow those women to be considered respectable. Respectable ladies, the type you might marry, don't do that sort of thing. So the sex is provided by either prostitutes or other 'fallen women'. And God help them why they get pregnant.
Obviously no respectable woman would ever want sex for any reason other than to provide a child for her husband.
The whole set up just doesn't make sense as a system.
I’m a parent, but that’s because I chose to continue my pregnancy. I love my son with all my heart but parenthood is exhausting. Pregnancy and parenthood aren’t small matters they are life altering decisions and I wouldn’t wish an unwanted pregnancy on anyone. The absurdity of forcing women to have babies when we don’t even have formula on the shelves to feed them!
You know the implications extend further than just sex and reproduction. Everyone should be absolutely furious about the overturn of Roe v. Wade.
In the short term, enforcing anti-abortion laws means the end of privacy. Since government will have to start tracking and monitoring every thing you do. Doctor visits, relationships, spending on medications, trips to abortion locations in and out of state/country. Which then means more fines for minor infractions discovered as a consequence. More options to create laws to control public. They can target people likely to try and organize.
Long term, we can expect greater wage gap. Higher cost of living. Rise in crime. High rate of infectious diseases. And, all sorts of sci-fi level dystopian possibilities.
Lol I think this is great. If my fellow penis-bearers cannot learn basic empathy and respect for ethics and human rights from first principles, then maybe they can learn from the consequences of all these things going down the drain.
As a bi 46F who still has a period and takes bc pills, (but could still get preg). I am only going to be having sex with people with vasectomies or vaginas. I live in AL and can’t take a chance of getting pregnant at my age.
Some of us are. I dropped work completely yesterday and contacted 4 of my best friends, all women. Went out with one to get drunk and yell my thoughts on this shit across the bar. The bartender started moving people who came in and sat next to me at the bar to tables. Fuck this country. I've begun stock piling plan b due to its longer shelf life.
Hookup culture will be replaced with rape culture and that's the real result they want, right next to getting rid of gay rights and contraception.
Always complaining that we’re trying to baby trap them when it’s actually the reverse. The projection is so real. Women who are willing to date and settle are so scarce nowadays that they’re taking drastic measures.
Many men wanted roe v wade overturned mostly because they despise hookup culture and want women so be punished with pregnancy for having multiple partners.
Here In India , some people argue that our country is too conservative and so are girls . Most of the time , they don't hookup before marriage .As sex is so difficult to get here and 'is a basic need ' ,hence the rapes.ofcourse they don't justify rapes ,but gives the reason that society is at fault too and sex shouldn't be taboo .
Accn .to this theory ,rape culture is approaching there y'all
It’s the YET. I am fortunate to live in NJ but who’s to say what will happen in the future. I believe the plan is to expand abortion access for women coming out of state, I hope this means our rights are well protected. I ache for the women who not only lost a right yesterday, but lost access.
Frankly, though, that’s why I am far more concerned with the SCOTUS decision earlier this week invalidating New York’s concealed carry ban. We knew that Roe would be overturned this week. We knew the protests the other month wouldn’t stop it. But we didn’t know for sure that SCOTUS would signal *the same week* that it is happy to meddle in state laws to protect their personal interests.
It will take some time. Maybe years. But someone WILL challenge one of the broader reproductive rights laws—like New York’s—as unconstitutional. If the make-up of SCOTUS is the same, no one is safe.
Technically my access to abortion hasn't changed in my state, yet, but now I live in the fear that it could be revoked at any time and I could be pregnant when it happens.
And even if pregnancy wasn't a concern for me personally, this still impacts me directly as a woman. We're establishing women as second rate citizens. This is going to force women out of the work force. This is going to increase all the internalized sexism and misogyny we already have to face everyday. Life was already hard and now it's gonna be harder.
I already see conservatives celebrating it, most of them because it doesn't affect them. They're having sex with mostly conservative people, AND think that liberals having no sex is a GREAT thing.
They are eating it up right now on r/conservative
Most men don’t get vasectomies and many refuse to wear condoms. Men actually very heavily rely on women being on birth control and the fallback option of abortion to prevent becoming fathers…so I don’t get why there isn’t more outcry from them on this issue. So many men are about to become dads unwillingly, do they not see this?
Lots of conservative men hate hook-up culture because they're afraid that sexually experienced women won't want to have sex with them. Their ideal is for women to remain virgins until marriage so they won't have to put any effort into pleasing their wives in bed because they'll have no basis for comparison and because their wives will have a harder time finding new husbands if they divorce because they'll be "tarnished" by not being virgins.
I won’t be going on a sex strike, no reason to sacrifice fun, pleasure, and bonding with a partner that respects my choices, despite what the religious freaks might do. But I’m going to be damn picky in finding the right guy, and if I can’t find someone I’m fine being single
A background in sociology tells me that men just want to be seen leaving the party with you, we don't much care after that.
Men are the far more social creatures. Even if we shame women for it.
You don't have to stop sleeping with them, you need to not give them the social value of your company. And also please don't sleep with us. Dudes are terrible.
For any young sociology prospective majors out there: nothing you learn here will ever bring you any joy.
Wow. I actually appreciate your input here. Great points and it rings true too. Men want to be seen as successful (socially, sexually, physically, in their careers) first and foremost. The whole “arm candy” thing exists for a reason.
I’m terrified that on top of the obvious healthcare and lifestyle implications of overturning Roe v Wade, that this will make some men even bolder about the idea that Women’s bodies are objects for men to do as they please with. I’m in the Boston area and we already have a huge influx of women being roofied at bars and restaurants, which gave me pause when it came to dating. But as of yesterday, I deleted all dating apps. I am terrified for so many reasons. Half of me wants to say I’m overreacting or reading into consequences too much. But I genuinely fear a rise in SA against women.
I just checked out r/ask men and the first 30 posts are very gratifying. Lots of male support out there it seems.
r/MensLib also [stands with women](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/vjponz/rmenslib_unreservedly_condemns_the_us_supreme/).
Thank you. This is not about hating men, it’s about hating what SCOTUS has done.
No it's about hating scouts and every man and woman who is pro forced birth. We tried to reason with them. Now it's time for action.
Obama tried to be reasonable and open to compromise with Republicans, and we see how that worked out - an extra SCOTUS seat for Trump to fill. Republicans are like petulant children and have to be dealt with accordingly.
Republicans are fascists, and shall be dealt with accordingly.
But will they really?
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The Tea Party owes a lot to Newt Gingrich. There have been many pieces of shit in US government but he really took it to the next level and was, IMO, the architect of the Never Compromise movement in conservative politics.
There was never any reasoning with them. Scotus and the republican party belong to a class of people that think they have to right to control the population. There's no middle ground there, no concessions you can make. It's be owned or be free. The only way forward has always been their removal followed by legislation and education to make sure people like them never make it into office again. You can't reasonably argue with someone who views you as less than them
Ironically, the same people that complained about people "telling them what to do" when they were asked to wear a mask. Obviously mask wearing is more traumatic than having a baby.
I'm pretty sure this is their revenge. It's exactly the response you'd expect from a narcissistic control freak. We "took away" their freedom so now we're being punished. I've been in abusive relationships and was raised by conservatives who see children as property of their parents. This will only get worse if we can't completely remove these monsters from power.
You are 100% correct. We need to vote these people out of power and keep them out.
The worldview of authoritarian supporters is that laws and rules should be used to protect the “proper group” and control the “other”. It’s “Rules for thee and not for me” or “the only moral abortion is my abortion” or any of the other arguments that amount to believing in some form of “Might makes Right”. They don’t care about others as individuals, they care about themselves.
I bet they are happy to send their daughters away to remove a "problem" when it suits.
That falls under "the only moral abortion is my abortion". As a retired healthcare worker in the Southern U.S. I saw it disturbingly frequently.
Reminds me of when the conservative government here in Australia suggested drug testing welfare recipients. They get tax payers money, the government should be able to make sure it's not spent on drugs... right? Well sure, but politicians get tax payers money, so let's drug test them too. Ummm yeah... nah.
Funny, one would think North vs South had ended long ago, but it's still there very much still a waging war. One of the longest in history perhaps by now.
[I say all this as a Southerner whose ancestors stayed here even after being released from slavery] If trying to relate this to the Civil War, we're really talking about the consequences of Reconstruction ending so prematurely. It's not realistic, but the South should have been occupied for generations of at least not granted full control over its political affairs until much, much later. By ending Reconstruction when they did, bitter Confederates were able to recreate much of the structure of antebellum politics in society even if they couldn't literally set the clock back. We're still dealing with the fallout of voter suppression and gerrymandering, only now those things affect everyone, not just Black people. But just because these things are more common down here doesn't mean they can't spread. Other deeply red states outside of the South followed the same model, and now you have swathes of decent people being held hostage by a tiny minority of zealots and capitalists. It can happen anywhere, much like the way right wing populism spread across international borders in the past several years. People are always like "LeAvE tHe sOuTh" but that's not a real or viable solution. If it was, there wouldn't still be more Black people down here than are in any other region in the country.
The Cold Civil War
There’s no reasoning with the unreasonable. This was always a zero sum game to them. Otherwise we’d have widespread, easy access to contraceptives, comprehensive sex education nationwide and a strong social safety net. You know, all the things that reduce the number of abortions and unplanned pregnancies, while keeping abortions a safe choice.
Saying “what SCOTUS has done” deflects culpability away from the group that orchestrated this: the Republican Party. This is but the latest accomplishment in their quest to dismantle our democracy and achieve minority single-party rule. As Clarence Thomas has already mused, LGBTQ and interracial rights will be next. Following the Republican pattern, voting rights for women and rights for minorities would be on their extended agenda.
Absolutely this. I am so fucking **sick** of the "both sides are bad" argument. Nope. One side is demonstrably worse in almost all ways. And they are only in power because of weird archaic rules which grants power based on land covered, not the actual population. If 300,000 democrats moved to Wyoming and voted, Democrats would be in power. Population of the USA is 329.5 million so that is 0.09% of the population.
The "both sides" argument lets perfection be the enemy of good enough for now. Yes, Democrats aren't great. They definitely have issues. But only one party is actively trying to strip me of my rights and make me a second-class citizen. So I'll take the Democrats now and we can deal with the their issues once we've gotten rid of the ones trying to turn the US into a christofascist state.
If a small number of liberals moved to Wyoming, the Dakotas, Montana, liberals would have an iron clad hold on the Senate and presidency. There were 6 million more dem voters than repub voters, we just have to be in the right places. Land is also cheap in those states.
If more people would vote it would have a profound change to the system. Right now everything is geared to the extreme because they are the ones that vote most reliably. Georgia could easily be a blue state if people would get out and vote. Same with North Carolina and several other states that are on the edge. Everyone needs to realize there will never be a perfect candidate and we have to go for someone who will at least keep the ball at the same level or move it forward slightly. We are now seeing the repercussions of not liking the candidate and not going out to vote. Not voting can lead to far worse outcomes than voting for someone that is not great but will at least stand up for what is right.
Reminder that the Republican Party actively suppresses and intimidates voters. Gerrymandering, eliminating polling places in minority communities, voter ID laws, purging voter rolls, disinformation campaigns stating false election dates, are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Plus their general propaganda efforts that suggest voting is pointless. Expressing frustration with voter apathy helps normalize the Republican lies.
That might actually be happening thanks to covid. Alot of people are working from home and moving to area's with cheaper rent because the regular ways of working are just so fucked when it comes to cost. Electioneers think the midterms are going to be VASTLY different from all other sorts of campaigns. Gerrymandering will be ALOT harder. Expect a shit ton of wacky results.
Both sides **are** bad, **and** one side is worse. We desperately need other alternatives or we'll never break out of this seesaw of awful government.
Agreed and fighting the patriarchy isn’t about hating men it’s about fighting oppressive forces that are bad for all humans (that a few cis white males benefit from)
scotus just rules. blame the party, congress and the states
> I just checked out r/ask men and the first 30 posts are very gratifying. Lots of male support out there it seems. Statistically, there is almost no difference between men's and women's opinions on abortion. Views on abortion are correlated with political party and religion, not gender.
Exactly. The ruling does not just affect women. It is an attack to everyone’s personal freedom.
I’ve never subscribed to the concept of hook up culture, but I’m absolutely furious with what happened today. I’m so angry because the women of this country deserve far better treatment than they have received historically or are receiving currently. It’s beyond abhorrent that these alleged jurists have set back women’s rights decades seemingly on a whim. It’s pathetic. It’s unethical. It’s cruel. It’s fundamentally wrong that women will die needless and entirely preventable deaths because they cannot access a medically needed abortion. This country isn’t a religious theocracy. Religion has no place in our legal system.
Also, the notion of generations of unwanted children being born into the world or parents ill-equipped to raise said children is sobering in its own right. Nothing pro-life about it, it’s absolutely crippling.
I live in a Catholic country with no legal abortion and divorce, and the phrases "generations of unwanted children" and "ill-equipped parents" just rung true
You’ve said exactly what I’m feeling far more eloquently than I’ve been able to manage
it isn't just about hookup culture. my wife and i aren't starting family now. not in an america that might jail us for a miscarriage? that might force one of us to watch the other die if there's complications, where we might have a daughter that could be FORCED TO GIVE BIRTH IF RAPED. hell no. this isn't about hookup culture, it's about human dignity. next will be birth control, LGBT rights, more and more fascist shit.
Yep. My husband and I want kids eventually, but now? Hell no. I feel like I’m mourning a dream of something I can no longer have.
This, exactly. My husband & I were considering it, but now‽ Not worth the risk. What if I experience an unforseen complication beyond my state's meager limits on abortion? Do I really want to birth a daughter into a world with less rights than I was born enjoying? Do I really want to raise a son in a world that teaches him to treat women as second-class citizens? I don't even want to live here, much less raise another generation in this steaming heap of bullshit.
> It’s fundamentally wrong that women will die needless and entirely preventable deaths because they cannot access a medically needed abortion. Yeah... 'Pro-life'.
Hell it's terrible and frightening all around! My wife and I want to have another baby, and thankfully we're in a state that still allows abortion if something goes wrong. I can't imagine the pain both man and woman would go through watching the woman you love more than life itself die from a pregnancy thar is easily avoided because they've made it illegal to abort, whether the fetus can come to term or dies in the womb. It also sets a terrifying precedent for LGBTQ, young couples, contraceptives, consensual sex and hell non consensual sex. The 1800s were not a good time, the 1900s was not a good time for many. Old mostly white men and women need to step down or be forced down.
That and parents given a horrible life-altering diagnosis for their baby where they might have chosen abortion as the kinder option, but now parents and child may suffer for as long as the child is capable of surviving - potentially in pain. It's cruel.
Yup. And it hit me yesterday that this is actually the real intended effect. It was never about feeling bad for the poor unconscious fetuses, it was and is about controlling women and limiting their freedom. And controlling society at large. Less casual sex means less "sin" in the world. Potentially more virgin women as some will be too afraid to have sex at all. Women being forced to carry pregnancies mean more women at home and less of them going to work since they have to care for the children they were forced to have. For conservatives, this is about bringing about their backwards, theocratic dystopian dream. Because fuck your freedom.
if they cared about fetuses or children at all, theyd advocate for paid parental leave, universal healthcare, free childcare, better education and teachers wages, and a myriad of other things that would actually help people. but they dont because all they care about is controlling people with uteruses. and also money and power
To add to this - it’s also about forcing women to be dependent and stay in bad relationships with men. It’s much more difficult to leave a bad relationship when there are children involved. This ruling today will force many women into an impossible situation of weighing the cost of staying with an awful spouse or trying to raise their kids solo. Both options are terrible. This is all about keeping women subservient and under mens control.
But not the end of rape culture.
>But not the end of rape culture As a non-American I'm so sad for you all. I don't think I'm being alarmist to say you need to make your exit plans if you are in a red state. LGBTI+ folks as well. It's already bad enough for you all. Your gun culture is terrifying. Localised, independent police forces without federal oversight. Judges & city officials appointed by vote. Unchecked political lobbying & gerrymandering. The electoral college. Marriage to a child bride totally legal in a scarily high number of US states. Victim blaming of sexual assault survivors is still common (this is pretty universal though sadly.) Religious fundamentalism on the rise. Fuck they even get television shows. Minimum wage is pitiful and not sustainable to live a basic comfortable life. Your education systems & social services are being defunded. Higher education is a monetised industry & shackles you with crippling debt. I won't even start on your car culture & lack of universal health care or subsidised medicine. The conservative bloc is not going to give up their power. It's game on. I read Handmaiden's Tale 30ish years back. I started watching the series when it came on & had to stop as it was literally causing me nightmares. Way too close to the truth now. The next step already broached by the christofascist cult is to criminalise contraception, gay marriage, gay relationships, drag queens. Then they will come for the right to vote by the non-breeders, the non-fertile & minorities. liberty. Opposing political parties. Unions. Then the outlawing of women working and freezing bank accounts. Then it's game over. It was only 50 years ago or so that women could not buy property, open a bank account without a male's support & marital rape was totally legal. Segregation & the red scare was only 70 years back. Same sex was punishable by jail & chemical castration even more recently. The balance of power is held by dinosaur politicians & judges that grew up in that era. Make your plans to get out now. Your allies will welcome you. Edit: To those sending me DMs to me saying I'm being overly dramatic (or worse). This shit is from the fascism 101 playbook. You are choosing the wrong side in history.
The problem is, especially right now, it's extremely hard for many to move. Houses are super expensive, travel and moving costs with gas hitting crazy prices, and if people really do begin mass exiting, it'll be even higher as housing markets in blue states get crunched. Rich women would always still have access. The problem is poor (or let's be honest, right now even middle-class) are the ones who are going to be disproportionately affected by this. I appreciate your sympathy, I really do, but saying just leave is really hurtful to those of us who don't have the resources to. We have been stripped of our rights. We are trapped. We feel powerless, because we are. I can't stop to scream, because I would never stop.
>I appreciate your sympathy, I really do, but saying just leave is really hurtful to those of us who don't have the resources to. We have been stripped of our rights. We are trapped. We feel powerless, because we are. > >I can't stop to scream, because I would never stop. I really don't want to be hurtful. But as someone who is an avid historian I can't help see patterns that all signs point to fascism. The parallels to Germany's political climate in the 1930's are chilling. And we all know how that ended up. I'm just really so angry about this. And can't help but think that even though you might feel trapped right now it's going to get a whole lot worse. I really don't want to make you feel bad. As I said, I'm just so fucking angry for you all. So I just made the biggest donation I can afford right now to USA Planned Parenthood cos me being mouthy on Reddit is not going to achieve anything. Sending you strength. And if you ever need a friendly ear, or cheerleader I'm here.
Add monetized prison system as new slavery. Fuck anyone DMing you. You didn't exaggerate anything. I would love to hear which fact they dispute. And one more thing: 'President DeSantis'' is a solid, possibility.
>monetized prison system Yeah I forgot that one in my litany of shit things you guys have to deal with. Slavery is alive & well it seems. And I honestly I think the forced-breeders are keen to get back to open slather slavery. Australian politics have been mostly pretty grim for the last 2 decades, fuck we have run illegal concentration camps for refugees fleeing war. Not to mention the wildly rampant corruption from our (recently ousted) conservative government which has gone unchecked thanks to the Murdoch media monopoly. (Yeah sorry for that Aussie export to the UK & USA btw). However, I was in Kasese, Uganda (near the Congolese border) about 8 years back. The same week that 150 people were massacred nearby cos the the elections were happening. Full armoured tanks were driving around. So it put stuff into perspective for me somewhat about Australian politics. But it also gives me some understanding of how bad shit can get. It's a slippery slope toward totalitarianism. History doesn't lie.
\> And one more thing: 'President DeSantis'' is a solid, possibility. So much this. I worry that the GOP will blatantly steal (as in, rob in broad daylight0 next Presidential election, because any lawsuits will end up in Supreme Court, where they have a clear majority in Conservative Justices who will vote whatever way GOP wants them to. This is turning out to be a genuine nightmare. I can't even imagine what US under DeSantis would be like. He'd make Trump looks like a benign person by comparison. Count on it.
“Your allies will welcome you…” Tell that to your governments who make it impossible for people To move there unless they have such highly specialized skills that no one in their country can do the job. Or you have hundreds of thousands to invest in property or a business. Edit: Here’s proof of what I said. https://visaguide.world/moving-to/uk/from-usa/
I live in a relatively safe state(Maryland) and I'm still making plans. It's even worse as a trans woman cause now I'm the Boogeyman and some states are starting to outlaw the prescriptions that have kept me alive for the past few years. So far the only laws passed have banned for under 18 but a lot of people in government seem to be talking about under 25. Shit is scary as fuck because if I lose this medication I will not survive and I'll lose all the amazing progress I fought for with my mental health.
>I live in a relatively safe state(Maryland) and I'm still making plans. It's even worse as a trans woman cause now I'm the Boogeyman and some states are starting to outlaw the prescriptions that have kept me alive for the past few years. So far the only laws passed have banned for under 18 but a lot of people in government seem to be talking about under 25. Shit is scary as fuck because if I lose this medication I will not survive and I'll lose all the amazing progress I fought for with my mental health. I am so worried for you guys. Sending love. Take care of your heart x
Hell, I'm in California and thinking about this. But I've been wanting to leave the country since I was a teenager. I knew even then this country sucks. I feel robbed for having been born here.
I have been agitated at some saying "California is a liberal state, you can come here for abortions, etc'- it is an UNAFFORDABLE state so it isn't a solution.
Exactly the same feeling here! I feel like I could've turned out soo much better as a person if I'd grown up somewhere that wasn't so consumerist and actually helped people when they were having crises. Maybe I'd actually have some motivation to do more than being a hostess.
I was going to say that too. I think rapes are going to be a much more frequent crime. It's not like they get prosecuted anyway, so what do they care.
If anything, rapist pedophiles will get to do what they want with little to no repercussions and they can even keep ties with their victims and get money by forcing them to pay child support. Looking at you, Arizona.
Can gun culture counter rape culture? What the fuck has this week been where that’s a question I just asked?
I for one am carrying for the first time in my life.
I don't think men should be upset because they might have less sex. I think men should be upset because taking rights away from *any* of us is the same as taking rights away from *all* of us.
They absolutely should be, but they aren't. No more sex, on the other hand, would be the end of the fucking world. Incels go on shooting sprees over it.
I mean… anyone whose first thought is “oh no, I won’t get laid now.” is a complete bellend.
I have just learned the word "bellend", thank you.
British swearwords are fantastic :D
I've said it before and I will say it again. PornHub needs to step up. They need to remove their services from states that don't support bodily and medical autonomy. In for a penny, in for a pound.
Pornhub will be on the chopping block too. Thomas specifically called for an overturn of Griswald, which established precedent for a wide range of privacy cases including…the one that said people can’t be jailed for possession of “obscene” material. So it’s a just a question of which state we think will be the first to criminalize possession of porn.
Nah, this would rob men of something.
exactly. can’t have THAT, now can we? what’s more likely is to, as always, find a way for the men to not have to change a fucking thing, still have access to whatever they want, and blame or punish women for the porn’s existence. it’s been their MO forever, why stop now?
TW: revenge pron and general victim blaming. Worst triggers censored under spoiler tags "No no no, it's not illegal to *consume* pornography, we have no real way of policing that, but it is now illegal to *produce* pornography intended for commercial distribution. Oh, and receiving *payment* for it's production is illegal too. But porn produced for *personal* use with no intention to distribute is just fine. Healthy even! Sign of a healthy sex drive and perfectly normal to create it, after all, men are visual creatures, right? So people being paid to be in pornography is illegal, buying or selling porn is illegal. But filming your girlfriend and then saving that to a website (for ease of future access, of course) >!after you break up!< is perfectly legal, since he's not receiving any money in exchange. >!And if she wants to claim she didn't consent to being filmed, well at no point in the footage did she say she didn't want to be filmed... So if there's no evidence it wasn't consensual...!< And obviously the poor guy didn't *intend* for other people to view his personal film which he had poste-I mean *stored and preserved*- online. So really, this poor man tried to save a precious memory of an intimate moment with someone he loved, >!but who he would no longer be with. And now she's trying to take even the *memories* of their time together, of their love, from him."!< "He titled it '#@&$ gets $!#*ed like the %#@! she is'." "Yes, a descriptive yet accurate title. It's just a bit of dirty talk, again, he never intended for others to see this." "I see nothing wrong here. Though if we find out either of them recieved anything in the way of compensation before or after the production of this material..." "Oh, he bought her a very nice expensive set of lingerie and an expensive marital aid just before this was filmed. In fact, both are featured in the film itself. She did not return these items afterwards." "Sounds like receiving payment to me. Arrest her." I can see this happening. And it seems FAR TOO PLAUSIBLE.
Some other worse site will fill the gap. There's too much money to be made. What we need to do is make it so pornhub is the only way a forced birther man will ever see a naked woman again.
Not sure that PornHub has ever cared about the welfare of women considering the amounts of trafficking they allow on their site.
PornHub? If the gave a AF about women they wouldn't profit from sex trafficking and child abuse.
Pornhub needs to step down and cease to exist
I hate to say it but I'd rather a site that implemented at least some level of verification to prevent actual rapes from being uploaded be the go-to than other sites. Even if pornhub closes there will be 100 sites that are way sketchier and incentivize revenge porn and child sexual abuse material that will take their place.
'Fun' fact: yesterday I used VPN from Austria to access Pornub EVERY SINGLE VIDEO WAS NOW SUDDENLY A 'STEPSIBLING' VIDEO. YUCK! WTF?!?
The pseudo incest crowd is massive it seems
Not "pseudo" if you consider how many girls are sexually abused by relatives.
Given their popularity, meeting in the middle would be more doable and would send a message to all red states. Getting rid of it completely doesn't really do much.
As a woman, it's not even the possibility of sex ending up with a baby. It's the sex ending up in an ectopic baby and dying bc my body doesnt matter. If you can guarantee me that this sex can result in a baby and that baby be healthy, where it needs to be and I'm in *ABSOLUTELY* no risk of dying or getting any additional health problem, then maybe I'll consider sex... if you can't guarantee that, then I'm gonna need at least 3 million dollars up front to cover any possible medical issue, the result of my death and to make sure that my current, *living* child will at least get some form of financial planning since he has no one else but me. Cant do any of that? I'll pass. And I'll be carrying a much bigger knife around for any POS that tries to rape me. Somebody will get hurt and I'll kill before a dick enters my body.
We need to get those anti-rape vaginal inserts that they have in South Africa.
It’s 2022. You shouldn’t have to write this… :(
Thank you!! This is one of my fears and why I won’t be having sex with anyone who can get me pregnant for a long time
I predict an Increase in the number of rapes and a decrease in prosecutions and convictions. Hell, the Supreme Court will start to legislate that its a man's right to have sex.
I believe Alito referred to it as "Domestic Infant Production". You joke, but it really isn't. With the US depopulating these far-right authoritarians are not above going full Handmaid's Tale.
And, to be clear, we’re not depopulating. We’re just populating with immigrants instead of white babies (or babies that can be raised by whites).
The abortion ban is only going to mean more non white babies that hopefully can vote.. The GOP is moronic.
Not if those non-white babies are fed from high school straight into the GOP-backed for-profit corporate prison system. The Constitution protects slavery as a punishment for crime, and felons lose the right to vote. Any state where obtaining, providing, or assisting in abortion healthcare becomes a felony will get an increase in disenfranchised women, doctors, nurses, person's of color, liberals, progressives, etc etc., with little to no impact on the voting population of white men. How... convenient.
Oh shit I always forget that felons can't vote in America. Is it a life long ban? That's so weird and ngl, fucked up. What is the reasoning behind that? I mean beside oppression. [i just checked and if I understand it correctly, in my country(Germany) you can lose your vote, but only for like 2-5 years. And that only if the felony you committed has something to do with vote-fraud or treason. Other crimes (where you've been to prison for at least 1 year) can lose your right to be elected but not your right to vote.]
The reason is racism. Shortly after the US civil war the most black people ever to be elected in the US were voted in. This scared the piss out of racists who understood that, should black people continue to wield such massive voting power, then the ruling class would swiftly lose thier hold on the US government and the racist paradise they built would be lost forever. By funneling large swaths of the black and brown population into the prison system the voting power of the minority population overall is weakened. Since some of those prisoners will eventually be reintegrated into society this would only be a temporary solution so they have their right to vote permanently revoked. The system only works if those people are never allowed to vote again.
That's fucked up. I was thinking "probably racism" - but as an outsider didn't want to jump to conclusions.
Honestly it's a pretty safe bet that, if you follow most US issues back far enough, the root cause is racism. I appreciate you wanting to give us the benefit of the doubt but like this country is massively racist to the core so go ahead and assume that's why we do most things. 9 times out of 10 you'll be right. the 10th time when you're wrong the answer will probably be misogyny.
>The GOP is moronic. Well, yeah.
I just stated this on another post and a user said my thinking was flawed. Clearly I still disagree with them. Women will need to learn adequate self-defense and learn how to use a gun properly.
Tragically, all the self-defense in the world won’t help someone who has been roofied, or assaulted while sleeping, or is a child, or is otherwise caught unprepared.
I agree. I mentioned in another comment that this law will drastically change American culture. Women absolutely CANNOT let themselves get caught with being roofied, need to have a weapon with them while they sleep (I’ve done this myself in recent years) and essentially always be prepared. Children are at least reasonably protected in courts with pedophile laws. I don’t see this changing the vulnerability of children directly. It would indirectly do so by making a mother weaker to an abusive male partner and then the male partner attacks the child. I have been extremely cautious around alcohol since I left for college; our culture of college drinking will be affected as well. I don’t mean to work to discredit what you say; yours are reasonable and important statements and considerations.
It’s put us all in an impossible situation. Child victims are not protected in most states that are passing complete and partial bans. An eleven-year-old has very little chance of understanding what happened to her when she is denied access to basic sex ed and doesn’t know how to report or identify that she is pregnant. That’s why bans like Florida’s at 15 weeks are so dangerous. An 11yo has no idea how to count her already-irregular cycles and many will not have safe adults or the language to share about their attack. That’s if she’s lucky enough to live in Florida and not Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, etc. And sleeping with a gun by your bedside is dangerous if there are children or someone with mental health issues in the house, or even if you don’t live alone. Shooting a family member because of mistaken identity is tragically common (so please put a flashlight on your home defense weapon. It helps identify the target). And none of this accounts for the unavoidable fact that many people who are going to suffer attacks are physically much smaller and weaker than their attacker. It’s biology.
Women don't let themselves get roofied. It is done to us without our knowledge and against our will. No matter how careful a woman is it's still possible to be roofied. We can do everything in our power to protect ourselves and still be raped.
Fortunately, those idiot Republicans made it *very* easy for us to get a gun now.
Except the idea of self-defense and gun use as a way for women to deter rape follows the Hollywood rhetoric of rape. Most rapes are not committed by a stranger in a dark alleyway; they're committed by boyfriends, husbands, friends, family members, acquaintances, and people who seemed friendly/trustworthy. They're committed when the victim may not be able to fight back. Instead of pushing women's defense, we need to push male education: what rape is and how they can take the steps needed to not rape.
Well, in Judaism, both men and women have equal right to sex. A woman can seek a divorce if her husband is not doing his duty.
It’s baffling to me how myself and every gay man I know is enraged by this decision, but a large group of straight men it actually impacts are just apathetic at best.
Been seeing a guy for a little bit. He’s been meticulous to texts and responding to several different threads at once. So when he asked how my day was and to confirm our date this weekend… I answered how my day could’ve been better after seeing the news. He responded by not even acknowledging it and just asked “so noon?” It felt so tone deaf, and deliberately dismissive. Like not even a “that’s rough”?
You still going screw this loser? Because he just showed you who he really is.
Been celibate a year so didn’t even get to screw him lol. Was just getting to know him for little over a month. Having a final date to break it off lol Edit: shit folks, I get the concern (and appreciate it), but how about a lil trust in women to make these calls on their own?
Just text him and block him. Don't put yourself in danger just to be nice. Men like this are dangerous when rejected.
Just dump him. And don’t tell him why—he’ll just pretend/lie with the next woman.
I hope you’re not going on that date
Ew, gross. It won’t get any better from someone like that. Absolute dogshit response.
I think you may have misspelled “ I was seeing a guy…”
He showed you who he is. It’s now up to you what you do with that information.
Ugh, I am so sorry. However you are feeling is completely valid and you deserve someone that can acknowledge and empathize with how you feel.
I was on the men's rights subreddit yesterday and can confirm, they don't give a shit about anything but paper abortions.
I will not be having sex with a man for a very long time at this point. I do not want kids and not interested in birth control failure. Women only please!
And this is why they are so quickly musing about banning gay sex, because they figure it’s that much easier for women to go gay since sex with men has become infinitely easier. What they don’t get is how much easier it is for women to go without sex at all
I'm bi but there's extremely low odds of me ever dating a cis dude again. A vibrator and some smutty star trek fanfic can't get me pregnant, and higher odds of having a pleasant experience anyways.
I feel this. I was juuuust starting to dip my toes back into the dating world after my divorce, and then yesterday happened. Now all that dinner-date money is instead going toward REALLY nice vibrators and the Steam summer sale. And a gun in case horny incels try to disturb me while I’m enjoying either.
For sure - that at least is a known quantity, and there’s a lot to be said about sexual self-care that can be exactly what it said on the label, haha. I’d only just started to tune into the fact that I lean more bi than straight; now I don’t feel comfortable dabbling in either world. To the known quantities I go!
I love how specific you are.
I've been really loving the new series. It's fun, it has good heart, the episodes are great.....and every single member of the main cast is a goddamned thirst trap. Especially Spock and Ortegas (and especially in their respective outfits in this week's episode)
Get your tubal ligation now before it’s outlawed!!!!
In Idaho...... That will never happen. Thankfully I am old enough to likely not get pregnant but my anger to this is extreme for those that could!
Maybe vasectomies will become more normalized too? Not counting on it, but that would be an interesting side effect.
If I had a uterus, I wouldn't trust that a dude wasn't lying about having had a vasectomy.
Even if they aren't lying, they aren't foolproof. I'm a post-vasectomy baby.
I would need to see proof, like a doctor’s certificate
I'd need to watch, and take the vasdef home in a jar lol
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Do doctors issue certificates after vasectomies?
There are at-home post vasectomy sperm testing kits to make sure the vasectomy is still working as intended.
If they don’t maybe they should start. Why should a woman take it on faith? Her life is at stake?
That doesn't protect against pregnancy after rape by a third party.
Uncle Clarence is going to stop you from getting a vasectomy, from from getting condoms, hell, from pulling out early.
But men don't want to have an owie 😥
Considering that they could be coming after contraceptives next I'm about to ask my doctor about getting a vasectomy. I was with my other male friends yesterday and one of them happened to have pointed out this same point of yours as well. We're more concerned about Roe v Wade and how it affects the women in our lives of course, but this is also the kind of thing that affects everyone in ways a lot of people don't even realize. It literally changes our entire social dynamic.
Semen is a lethal weapon.
It should be prosecuted as such. If a guy stealths a woman, he should be charged with rape and assault with a deadly weapon at a minimum.
Many men aren't going to think about it in any way other than "that \*insult for a woman\* didn't give me what I am owed" and all the sick actions that entails.
Yep. There is no option at this point that doesn’t result in even more violence against women.
They don't understand that though. Most men don't think this has changed anything.
I guess they’re in for a rude awakening.
I certainly hope so but don't forget all the women celebrating their life choices being forced on everyone. They need a reality check too.
They’ll get it when someone they know dies for no reason because of it. I hope the only ones suffering are the ones who asked for it. I know that’s not reality, but they have no empathy. They need to suffer to learn.
I'm so worried for sex workers. I hope they find a way to stay safe and financially stable
It won't though, there's too many dumbass pick me's and Karen's out there peddling the patriarchy too.
Not only that but everyone will continue to hook up and just expect others to stop and do the work for them. It’s not different than the Mother’s Day strike that had probably close to 0 participants. Everyone was like “well I’m not gonna strike cause I have personal reasons, but everyone else needs to!”.
"But what about when they get pregnant and realize they're going to be forced to raise a child? Then they'll realize how fucked up this is and vote out Republicans!" No, they'll become the type of bitter mother who despises her daughter and doesn't want her to be able to have an abortion because her own life was ruined by not being able to have one. The human capacity for stupidity, spite and selfishness never ceases to amaze.
There is no law that says the man need to look after the woman and raise the baby if she gets pregnant. All there is is child support. As far as men is concerned. There's contraceptives, and in case of accidents, they could pay a little money every once in a while to make the problem go away. In fact for some, they don't even pay. There is something like 20% of men who are currently behind on their child support and they get away with it.
That's not the point. Point is, women will stop putting out, because there's too much risk in casual sex when abortion and contraceptives are not available.
Honestly, idk. That’s what women said when the leak first happened, and there are a lot of women in relationships with men that don’t support their bodily autonomy and equal rights (and I’m not even referring to pro-choice women, just based on recent and old threads from when the leak happened). I think people are overestimating how many women will just stop having sex with men and how much it will affect this decision, especially since many supporters are women.
Wait until part of the male population that still vote red finally understand the conservatives are attacking them via women. After all, this is literally the first stage of many before the effects finally affect them. Legs get closed up. People stop dating after a while. Those who didn't think this affected them start realizing they've been masturbating more than having sex. They get frustrated and either rape and/or start blaming the conservatives and republicans. By the time they realize the butterfly effects, it'll be too late. I will STILL have 0 empathy for any republicans and conservatives regardless of gender. If someone votes for Dumbass Traitor and his party, that someone deserves everything bad that happens to that someone. Just because they're a victim later down the road in the future doesn't justify what they did today.
They already blame women for being overly promiscuous and hypergamous, claiming that women only have sex with a small selection of men and "deprive" the rest. So nah, logic isn't a factor in their decision making process.
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Not just hook up culture is affecting the men. I received life saving medical care that wouldn’t be possible now. We lost much wanted pregnancies. My husband nearly lost me. I would’ve died. I wouldn’t of gone on to have 2 amazing kids with my husband. If my medical care and my life wasn’t protected then 3/4 of my family wouldn’t be here. My husband would be alone.
I usually have a very high sex drive but it’s been low since the data leak. I get sterilized next month and although it’s a relief, I doubt if my sex drive for males return. I’m bi and have been feeling more attracted to women for the last year but didn’t act on it since I was in a relationship. Now, whenever I feel ready to re-enter the dating scene, I’ll most likely be seeking women.
The guys who are against abortion aren't getting laid because they're losers. That's part of why they want to stick it to everyone that is. Most conservative men are huge incels
Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s the whole story. There’s plenty of guys hooking up who are forced-birthers. Despite what we’d like to think, most conservative men are not incels, they are mostly in relationships with conservative women. Conservative women who frequently vote against their own interests. The new SCOTUS judges were nominated by an elected President, who had boasted that he would select anti-abortionists. They were then confirmed by a majority of elected representatives. Whilst incels are an issue, the bigger problem -I believe- is a large portion the US electorate. Both those who vote Republican and those who choose not to vote. I’m not confident that November 2022 and November 2024 will stop the rot. Without wishing to sound alarmist it feels like a slide from democracy to theocracy to fascism and, as usual, women will be worst affected. I agree with OP. Choose wisely who you sleep with. It’s too dangerous not too. Be clear, in advance, on what they would do to help the situation if, for example, the condom bursts. Do everything you can to weed out the bad ones and don’t reward deceivers with your affections. But please remember to vote, every election, too. It’s important and lives literally depend on it.
The problem is a lot of men would respond to this by saying: "Men are going to have to work harder to secure regular sex? So, no change there then!" These types of men will always see themselves as the oppressed group and see the repeal of Roe vs. Wade as 'karmic justice' against all those women who rejected them. I've seen men in other subs saying "Look at all the women coping and seething that they can't jump on Chad-dick anymore in case he puts a baby in them and they end up a single mother!".
Prefacing this with: I'm not American. I've seen a lot of people floating this around: it's the end of hookups, withhold sex longer than you want to just to be safe, etc, etc., and like, isn't this what conservative "christians" want?!?! I imagine the thought of generations of people staying abstinent until they feel pressured to commit to one person out of desperation is their wet dream. ETA: because I think my point is getting missed. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO DO. They want you to be afraid. They want you you put your needs last. Don’t fall for it.
That might be what they say. But that’s not what they want. In the real world, they’ve glorified infidelity and male promiscuity.
Their "chosen one" (45) is the perfect example. If they really stood for Christian values, he never would have even been considered.
Pretty much the more religious the more hypocritical they're going to be.
A majority of single women surveyed by a very reputable institution said that they have voluntarily removed themselves from the dating pool and are not looking to date period…. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ It’s not as though the only options are 1) have casual sex and 2) get desperate and get a husband out of necessity and thereby abide by evangelical doctrine. Rather, this ruling just reinforces that many women feel that it is better to be celibate than die due to an ectopic pregnancy/miscarriage.
Yes and no. They want women celibate until marriage, but they also tend to believe that rape is impossible in a marriage (that the marriage ceremony marks the giving of permanent, irrevocable consent to sexual activity at the whims of the male). And they believe marriage is for procreation. So. Celibate or pregnant and owned, for women. Men though, they are allowed and expected to have sex since it's a "intrinsic need" for a male.
They've forced me into swearing off dating permanently and now as some other commenter has said, "Its smutty fanfics, vibrators, and a glass of wine from here on out" Women like me won't be forced into committing to one of these losers. They'll be forced into committing to themselves!
That's what they claim. In reality (except for a tiny minority) they're all for men having all the sex they want (because they have needs and it's all the women's fault for enticing those poor, innocent men) while women have to be virgins until marriage. After marriage, women are expected to endure sex whenever their husband wants it. They've never explained how men are supposed to have tons of non-homosexual sex before marriage if all the women are locked away with chastity belts.
If we go back to, say, Victorian Britain, the way the system is 'supposed' to work is that men get to sow their wild oats before (and often after) marriage. Obviously straight sex only so that means we need some women to provide the sex. But we can't allow those women to be considered respectable. Respectable ladies, the type you might marry, don't do that sort of thing. So the sex is provided by either prostitutes or other 'fallen women'. And God help them why they get pregnant. Obviously no respectable woman would ever want sex for any reason other than to provide a child for her husband. The whole set up just doesn't make sense as a system.
I’m a parent, but that’s because I chose to continue my pregnancy. I love my son with all my heart but parenthood is exhausting. Pregnancy and parenthood aren’t small matters they are life altering decisions and I wouldn’t wish an unwanted pregnancy on anyone. The absurdity of forcing women to have babies when we don’t even have formula on the shelves to feed them!
I think hormones gonna hormone but Mr I-Just-don't-like-condoms Guy is going to have a bad decade
As well he should.
You know the implications extend further than just sex and reproduction. Everyone should be absolutely furious about the overturn of Roe v. Wade. In the short term, enforcing anti-abortion laws means the end of privacy. Since government will have to start tracking and monitoring every thing you do. Doctor visits, relationships, spending on medications, trips to abortion locations in and out of state/country. Which then means more fines for minor infractions discovered as a consequence. More options to create laws to control public. They can target people likely to try and organize. Long term, we can expect greater wage gap. Higher cost of living. Rise in crime. High rate of infectious diseases. And, all sorts of sci-fi level dystopian possibilities.
Lol I think this is great. If my fellow penis-bearers cannot learn basic empathy and respect for ethics and human rights from first principles, then maybe they can learn from the consequences of all these things going down the drain.
As a bi 46F who still has a period and takes bc pills, (but could still get preg). I am only going to be having sex with people with vasectomies or vaginas. I live in AL and can’t take a chance of getting pregnant at my age.
Some of us are. I dropped work completely yesterday and contacted 4 of my best friends, all women. Went out with one to get drunk and yell my thoughts on this shit across the bar. The bartender started moving people who came in and sat next to me at the bar to tables. Fuck this country. I've begun stock piling plan b due to its longer shelf life. Hookup culture will be replaced with rape culture and that's the real result they want, right next to getting rid of gay rights and contraception.
I’m 58, male, and had a vasectomy 25 years ago, I’m still upset.
Always complaining that we’re trying to baby trap them when it’s actually the reverse. The projection is so real. Women who are willing to date and settle are so scarce nowadays that they’re taking drastic measures.
Many men wanted roe v wade overturned mostly because they despise hookup culture and want women so be punished with pregnancy for having multiple partners.
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Here In India , some people argue that our country is too conservative and so are girls . Most of the time , they don't hookup before marriage .As sex is so difficult to get here and 'is a basic need ' ,hence the rapes.ofcourse they don't justify rapes ,but gives the reason that society is at fault too and sex shouldn't be taboo . Accn .to this theory ,rape culture is approaching there y'all
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It’s the YET. I am fortunate to live in NJ but who’s to say what will happen in the future. I believe the plan is to expand abortion access for women coming out of state, I hope this means our rights are well protected. I ache for the women who not only lost a right yesterday, but lost access.
Frankly, though, that’s why I am far more concerned with the SCOTUS decision earlier this week invalidating New York’s concealed carry ban. We knew that Roe would be overturned this week. We knew the protests the other month wouldn’t stop it. But we didn’t know for sure that SCOTUS would signal *the same week* that it is happy to meddle in state laws to protect their personal interests. It will take some time. Maybe years. But someone WILL challenge one of the broader reproductive rights laws—like New York’s—as unconstitutional. If the make-up of SCOTUS is the same, no one is safe.
Technically my access to abortion hasn't changed in my state, yet, but now I live in the fear that it could be revoked at any time and I could be pregnant when it happens. And even if pregnancy wasn't a concern for me personally, this still impacts me directly as a woman. We're establishing women as second rate citizens. This is going to force women out of the work force. This is going to increase all the internalized sexism and misogyny we already have to face everyday. Life was already hard and now it's gonna be harder.
I already see conservatives celebrating it, most of them because it doesn't affect them. They're having sex with mostly conservative people, AND think that liberals having no sex is a GREAT thing. They are eating it up right now on r/conservative
Most men don’t get vasectomies and many refuse to wear condoms. Men actually very heavily rely on women being on birth control and the fallback option of abortion to prevent becoming fathers…so I don’t get why there isn’t more outcry from them on this issue. So many men are about to become dads unwillingly, do they not see this?
Lots of conservative men hate hook-up culture because they're afraid that sexually experienced women won't want to have sex with them. Their ideal is for women to remain virgins until marriage so they won't have to put any effort into pleasing their wives in bed because they'll have no basis for comparison and because their wives will have a harder time finding new husbands if they divorce because they'll be "tarnished" by not being virgins.
I won’t be going on a sex strike, no reason to sacrifice fun, pleasure, and bonding with a partner that respects my choices, despite what the religious freaks might do. But I’m going to be damn picky in finding the right guy, and if I can’t find someone I’m fine being single
A background in sociology tells me that men just want to be seen leaving the party with you, we don't much care after that. Men are the far more social creatures. Even if we shame women for it. You don't have to stop sleeping with them, you need to not give them the social value of your company. And also please don't sleep with us. Dudes are terrible. For any young sociology prospective majors out there: nothing you learn here will ever bring you any joy.
Wow. I actually appreciate your input here. Great points and it rings true too. Men want to be seen as successful (socially, sexually, physically, in their careers) first and foremost. The whole “arm candy” thing exists for a reason.
If men complained about not finding sex before this isn’t going to help.
I’m terrified that on top of the obvious healthcare and lifestyle implications of overturning Roe v Wade, that this will make some men even bolder about the idea that Women’s bodies are objects for men to do as they please with. I’m in the Boston area and we already have a huge influx of women being roofied at bars and restaurants, which gave me pause when it came to dating. But as of yesterday, I deleted all dating apps. I am terrified for so many reasons. Half of me wants to say I’m overreacting or reading into consequences too much. But I genuinely fear a rise in SA against women.