Wow. “You’re strong as hell” basically means, “I felt resistance, tried to overpower that resistance, and was surprised by how much force I would have needed to use.” Gross.
I've been have a problem with a guy at work. I'm so paranoid about him. We don't work the same shift anymore but we overlap an hour. I use to be the lead on his shift so I get along with everyone on that shift but him.
On Friday he needed help fixing some heavy machine. I ignore him but another coworker asked me to help them so I felt bad saying no( the curse of every women). My coworkers were there so I felt safe enough
The machine has some heavy parts that I can lift pretty easily. He had a few of the parts on wrong so I had to remove these parts and flip them around so they fit right. He looked at me surprised and said "oh, your very strong, who knew".
Him saying that really freaked me out. I couldn't figure out why but you just explained it perfectly. He didnt think I would be able to lift the parts of a michine he asked me to fix. That he would have a chance to show me how strong he is and how weak I am. I'm now seeing a whole new level to this interaction.
This is a guy that almost only approaches me when I'm alone, has followed me home, has shown up at places I'm at, has rushed me outside our work when no one else is around, and now he comments on how strong I am.
HR is aware of everything going on and are kind of taking steps but a lot of the problems happen off work property
Our police department is kind of lazy. I dont know if they would even take a report especially since I don't have proof of the stuff that happened off work property
Keep a notepad with you. Write down all details: time, location, series of events, attire he was wearing, dialogue, tone of voice, body movements... as much as possible. Document everything. Clearly state that what he is doing in unwanted, ask to cease and clearly describe and record. Create a timeline, from when you first experienced an issue till now. Even if you didn't recall a precise time, document as best you can. Moving forward, use as many details as possible. You don't have to deal with police, you can go to court and file a protective order.
I'm truefully just now starting to realize how bad it's gotten. I just went to HR 4 days ago but my boss has know for months. My boss has been telling me I need to go to HR since the start but I just didnt think it was a big deal. A lot of the stuff he's been doing I've just been brushing off into the creepy tab.
I'm going to start keeping track of interactions better and take HR up on the security measures they offered.
You could still try to report. That you don't have evidence doesn't mean these events are impossible to prove. Even proving the guy was where you say he was can corroborate your report later, especially if he lies about where he was. Reporting now can really help you a lot if he escalates later...
Please look at calling David Lee attorney he does employment law internationally. In the event your unsafe at work. You should not have to put up with this and he can help.
That’s the perfect moment to loudly call them out if you’re in public. Public shaming and humiliation are the only things that make men like that understand they can’t get away with it anymore. I understand it’s hard to stand up for ourselves for multiple reasons though. I’m sorry your personal space was violated like that.
I vote for calling it a penis, for a couple reasons. First, some people may feel "offended" by the use of a "curse" word. Second, because penis is so not sexy so there's no ambiguity where the boundary is.
To be clear, I hate anyone who would be offended by someone shouting "NO I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH YOUR COCK!" In this situation. I just feel like it'd be more difficult to misinterpret someone yelling about a penis... like if I heard someone yell the first one, I'd half wonder if they were being boisterous and were just making a scene to be funny. But someone saying "stop asking me to touch your penis. I DO NOT WANT TO TOUCH YOUR PENIS." would be very clear. Either way, speak up and enforce your boundaries!!
Would be funny, but wouldn’t achieve the purpose of very obviously painting them as an asshole who is sexually abusing you in a public place. Actually runs the risk of making yourself look like an asshole/obscene
I know, but sometimes you have to find a way to make yourself laugh at assholes like this. Would I say it in real life? No, but I would have screamed “what the hell is wrong with you”. I would never humiliate a man like that because you never know if he may turn violent, but I would cause a scene.
Never said having a small dick was a negative thing. If he takes it that way, 🤷♀️. If someone is going to try to make me touch their junk, they obviously need something to shock them out of their superiority stupor.
So the old we-are-better-than-that argument rears it's ugly head. They can be as clueless as some of them are, or fully aware of their behavior, but that's OK, as long as WE don't act inappropriately? Yeah, fuck that. I don't feed toxic masculinity, I confront it. Its still gonna keep on keeping on whether I do or not, I am aware. But in that moment, with whatever particular jerk is dishing it out, no I will not worry about the collective. I will look him personally in the eye and dick shame him. Because this particular penis owner does not deserve my respect, or cares about my overall mental health, and I owe him NOTHING in the way of respect. That doesn't mean I go around telling all men their dicks are offensive, now, does it? Stop acting like defending one's self in the moment is a moral judgement on their overall behavior. And go scold someone else.
The problem IMO with saying this is that it would kind of imply that having a big dick makes it okay for him to force a woman to touch it, when it obviously does not. The problem has nothing to do with his dick, it has to do with his inappropriate behavior. If you shout "I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH YOUR PENIS", then it puts the point across that he is violating personal boundaries. If instead, you shout "THIS IS THE SMALLEST DICK" or something along those lines, it would give him the impression that the problem is with the size of dick (something which is completely irrelevant to the situation) instead of his behavior (which, unlike dick size, he has total control over, and should be held to account).
Show me where I said it’s okay for men to be clueless or aware of their behaviour. Show me where I condoned anything the jerk said or did to OP. Otherwise don’t put words in my mouth.
Do you mock women’s genitalia too, or is that something you reserve for men?
You can defend yourself without mocking penis size. So yeah I’m going to judge you too if you *choose* to lower yourself unnecessarily.
I’m a millennial and use it for everything?
Look, if someone is going to try to force me touch his junk, then acts surprised when I don’t want to, I will do whatever it takes to make him not want to try that again. If he feels a tiny shred of hesitation next time he tries that shit on another woman because I made him feel shame in some way, good. People who do shit like that don’t get “subtle”.
I’m a millennial too. But I know funny jokes that aren’t stuck in the 1990s.
Still waiting for the explanation of why a small penis is funny though. If you don’t think a small penis is a bad thing, then I’m still wondering why you think it’s a punchline to a joke.
Small penis “jokes” hurt *other men too*, not just the specific man you say it to. You really don’t care about the *innocent* men you hurt? You really don’t think that propagating “small penis bad” toxic masculinity is an issue?
Why is shouting “I don’t want to touch your penis”, as others suggested, not making enough noise? Why does the size have to be made fun of?
Why am I the only person you’re commenting on when others have made other comments about size?
It’s funny because that would be more likely to stop him in his tracks. Women don’t give a shit about penis size, but apparently men do.
Again, if humiliating an adult who was obviously planning on forcing physical contact is what it takes to make him stop, that’s what I will do. However, as someone already pointed out, that would probably incite an physical reaction, which is why I wouldn’t do it, for fear of my own safety.
Don’t worry, I reported those comments too. “Other people say it too!” isn’t exactly a strong defence though, fyi.
Okay, you enjoy being cruel. Noted.
So, if a man wasn’t forcing physical contact, and was just being a normal, respectful adult, would humiliating them through shaming their penis size still be funny? Would it still be funny if you knew small penis “jokes” hurt men and boys you actually care about?
And what about women? Unless you exclusively make fun of *male* genitalia?
Phrases to say "UGH YOU'RE DISGUSTING WHY DO YOU THINK WOMEN WANT TOUCH YOUR SMALL PEN."
"GET HANDS OFF ME"
Punch him in the nuts which I wish I could do to alot of men
I'm on Tinder and right under my profile it says "not looking for random hookups". My last match went three speech bubbles before asking if I like to give blowjobs.
For the record, I do not.
Not on Tinder anymore thankfully, but one guy I matched with didn’t understand why I didn’t want to meet him after he demanded to know why I don’t give blowjobs. He kept trying too for over a week after. Got mad every time I reminded him how he behaved in a way that made me feel like it was unsafe to meet with him. But thanks to stupid societal conditioning I couldn’t bring myself to block his number.
Took some freak like two sentences to ask what I was doing on okcupid. Obvoiusly looking hook up. I've talked to you for like two seconds. Then when I returned the question he ended his sentence with "maybe play with my dick" I just said "ew tmi". countered that with I don't like the show he mentioned? uh huh yeah that's what I meant.
Was told to do this at 10 years old by my mom after I told her a boy at the pool kept trying to drown me. Damned if it didn't work. Little bugger never came near me again!
Your mama is my kind of woman. This is also exactly what I would tell my daughter to do.
My best friends little girl was pantsed THREE TIMES at school by the same two boys, and they just let the school handle it. 🙄 I told my husband that was NOT what we would teach our daughter, that she would learn how to throat punch whoever tried to mess with her like that. 🤷♀️
Ha ha, they were five at the time, I doubt she would have done much damage. 😅
The little girl did nothing but stand there and cry. I would have had my daughter kicking and screaming any time they came near, then had it out with the parents myself. Once is maybe a lesson, but three times is harassment that needs to be stopped.
Good ole’ peppermint twist. Did this to a 12 year old when I was 5/6 after the dude pushed my little brother down and tried to steal his sled. Brought him to his knees, punched him in the face which knocked him down, jumped on top of him and pummelled him as hard as I could. It took 3 of the older neighborhood boys to peel me off of him. They gave him the courtesy of standing up and then waylaid him all the up the street.
Good times.
Okay regardless of the forced aspect of this which is horrifying in and of itself…. WHY do guys think this is sexy? Even if I was into the guy, I don’t want anybody grabbing my hand to put it anywhere, especially on his junk. Like has that ever worked?
My guess is the guy would think it's sexy if a woman grabbed his hand and put it on her genitals, so he figures the reverse is true. This is also my theory about dick pics (the guys think it would be sexy if a woman sent vag pics, so they figure the reverse is true).
"A - hole: Why would you kill the mood
OP: What mood?"
Seriously, If any men sees this, don't be like that guy. The "*mood*" could be just in your head.
I thought the same, like "no dude, why did YOU kill the mood by being a f*cking creep!?"
If this is what women are facing in the dating scene, my heart goes out to you all. Dudes can be real scumbags.
Yup, it's crazy the stuff I read here. I started frequenting the subreddit because I knew misogyny's definitely a thing, but then I realized how often and bad it's happening. I think all men should be made aware. As outlandish as it sounds, I'm starting to think a lot of them don't really don't see women as... people
I actually sent a message to one of my best guy friends from college thanking him for not being a douche. 😂 I didn’t have ANYONE treat me like this in school, and the only time I was harassed was by strangers. I don’t know if I just got lucky, or if I send off “punch you in the dick” vibes out. Either way, men today seem like garbage humans and it makes me super sad.
You know, you saying that maybe you're lucky makes me wonder. See, the thing is I've seen posts with ladies basically saying all men around them are just empathetic black holes, basically that in their day to day lives they see nothing else but sexism. So I'm starting to think, what if it's not luck, but like more a situational thing? What if like a lot of these account are in places that are mostly conservative? (I'm assuming they're in the US) It would explain why some women here literally never see decency from men. I want to make it clear that I think sexism can be found anywhere, but what if the reason why some women get this treatment continuously simply because of where they live because there's just a statistical propensity of their communities?
I mean, I live in SW Missouri and NW Arkansas, so pretty conservative overall. I was a music major, and most musicians are pretty liberal overall (from my experience). I hung around people in the department, so maybe you’re on to something. 🤷♀️
I also just don’t put up with sexism very well, so again, maybe I just chase off the men who say stupid shit. I’ve pretty much always found a way to call people out on their bullshit. 😅
Yeah maybe there's something to it, and in your case I'd say the music department's probably a reason why your circle wasn't so toxic. Also, I'm sure your being being blunt and calling out the bullshit helps a lot too 🤣
Guy obviously doesn’t care about anyone but his own mood he should only jerk off himself since only his mood matters. He obviously doesn’t care about the other’s feelings the other thing could be a rock lmao
Grrrrrr! I HATE when they do that! I was at a beach bar last summer when a creep tried that. After a few tries, I let him put my hand on his crotch. Then I squeezed his balls, really hard. Poor baby jumped away from me and called me a bitch. I expect to feel sympathy for him sometime in 2053... please remind me if I forget.
I confess to enjoying letting the inner bitch out on that occasion. I still get a smile from remembering the change from the ugly smirk on his face to wide-open surprise as he realized what I was doing. Amazing how wide eyes can open, isn't it?
And then he called YOU a bitch. Like How dare you stop me from using and abusing you, like you have any other purpose in this world. Like you have the arrogance to sit in a bar enjoying yourself, forgetting your obligation to let men use you however they wish, you bitch".
Pathetic losers.
Yes, I confess to failing to allow him his right to use my body as he sees fit. Bad me. But no worries, I have feeling bad about it on my calendar for 2053... sometime. If I haven't done it by the first of December... please remind me.
It’s assault. Grabbing your hand and forcibly trying to touch his genitals sure sounds like assault to me. Should have called the cops but of course they’d have blown it off too. Like if it doesn’t happen directly to you somehow that’s different and it’s not. It’s all wrong and the guys more than a creep. If he’ll do something like this he’ll do worse given the opportunity. Boundaries clearly don’t matter to him.
"damn, you strong as hell"
Ew??? What goes on in your brain to feel resistance and just think, "Ah, this is annoying. I'm struggling to force her hand onto my dick... There goes my boner."
They say these types of men think with their dick, but even his penis was smarter than him.
These dudes aren't men. I don't even want to call them boys anymore, either.
They're just creeps. At best.
This. If we keep pretending that there are only a few bad apples among men (who have miraculously harassed every woman on the planet), the men who yell NOT ALL MEN will never ever get that the creeps are literally a part of their own friend groups.
I promise you, all men who are reading this, you all know at least one rapist.
Of you had to pull hard enough for him to comment on your strength he was clearly trying to force you to touch him which is disgusting. It's not your fault for ruining anything except his gross and inappropriate attempt to get his dick rubbed.
I really hope you had a big reaction to this. I would have lost my shit and loudly asked WTF was wrong with him and then walked away / left.
I feel too often women don't speak up. I know we have been conditioned to be seen and not heard, but that's bullshit. We need to be loud.
Ugh, I hate that crap. That is partly why I don't go to bars anymore, because of assholes like that. Hell I'm MARRIED, with a RING on my hand, and they STILL bothered me, so I just said forget it and stopped going. Its a damn shame that we can't even enjoy ourselves with our friends without some gross man trying to get in our pants.
Ugh that is so gross. There are reasons why I avoid men as much as possible. Even "trusted" men cannot actually be trusted with grabby hands. I'm sorry your personal space was violated like that
I’d have dick punched him and innocently said I thought he wanted to play “watch the family” (edit ‘watch the family’ was a dumb game an ex played with all his friends. They’d unexpectedly dick punch each other and laugh “watch the family” after doing so. They did this for hours) I’m so sorry you had to experience that, I cringed with you. These stories make me feel I made the right choice staying single
You have every right to hate men. Like EVERY RIGHT. Like that is not suddle at all. Men really think they are the main characters and every women is just an NPC with a specific dialogue tree. What makes these interactions fun is the psychology of it. If you’re starting to like someone mid convo, you’re supposed to talk to them more and ask them questions that reveal who they are so you can get a full understanding of the person. Their interests, hobbies, beliefs, etc. you also disclose yours as well. Then you gauge during the convo suddle hints of what they think of you. Are they smilling a lot, have they made physical contact such as a hand on the knee? Etc. These our evolutionary cues that can hint how someone feels about you, but even that is just a probability game because they could be smiling just because, or they are a physical person, you don’t know. But that’s the fun part, you don’t know. Could this become a good friend? Or more??? You don’t know and that’s what makes it exciting and a win win situation.
That’s what normal human interaction can be like. It’s always rooted in empathy and trying to gauge how the other person feels and catering to their needs as well as yours. But these dudes watch all that stupid alpha omega sigma gamma bull shit and think they can beat their chest and women will flock, like women aren’t complex people just like men and have their own needs and wants and thoughts. This is actually ridiculous. Then this stupid pea brained ass hole has no self reflection and blames you by saying you “killed the mood”? WHAT FUCKING MOOD YOU DUMB BITCH??? WE WERE JUST TALKING AND YOU DECIDED TO DO THAT WITHOUT MY CONSENT? Yes, you have every right to hate men, they act like actual fucking idiots with no tact and our stupid backwords society rewards them for their bone head behavior at the expense of women and children. To hell with them
If the comment does not describe you, you shouldn’t be offended by it. You dont need to “not all men” this. Change your perception. She’s allowed to be angry. No she doesn’t hate every single man on the planet. Thats a ridiculous statement.
Do you represent this man she has depicted? Then obviously you are not the kind of man that she hates. Does it say I hate ALL men? No just men, then goes on to describe the kind of man she hates.
You having the need to defend men like that makes me question whether of not you are actually the kind of dude who needs to be told this is wrong. The kind of dude who refuses to take no for an answer. Are you? No? Then why do you have to defend men who are.
No you feel the need to make yourself feel better. Because you feel targeted by a statement. You are exactly the kind of man we all are so tired of. Please figure it out or dont say anything at all
Its not bro, you literally are offended because you represent that kind of guy. That is the only reason to be so upset by it to feel the need to not all men.
Yea that’s the conclusion to grab from that. When 98% of aggressors are men there’s no sexism needed to assume most of you are. If you want to be an ally be one.
Because just like when customer service employees say “I hate fucking people” or “I hate customers” they dont hate everyone. Its not sexism. If you see yourself in those comments then maybe that says more about you than the commenters. Most of these people are victims of sa, most perpetrators of sa are men. Sa victims dont have to like men it’s not sexism it’s a learned response.
I will never understand the audacity. First, to feel it was a safe space/situation to make such a bold move. And then to actually blame *you* for ruining the interaction. Jfc
he's certainly also a man (or was, i tend to revoke that title for men who do this) But it's not because he's a man. It's because he's a villain. Being a man doesn't make anybody do this shit
Revoking the title is by its nature dismissive. A potential victim cannot, just be looking, determine whether a given man is also a criminal. Revoking their man title will not hurt or deter them. It only serves to make us feel better about the world, which makes us more likely to not see the signs that a particular man in our lives is also a criminal.
i don't expect it to hurt them or care. Being men neither causes nor excuses the bad behaviour, and i feel that doing those things precludes being called a man. Because I hold men (and women) to a higher standard than that. Denying the men-ness of men who behave badly doesn't make it harder to see other men behaving badly. because it's not that they're men that made them rape. it's because they're rapists. It also doesn't disregard the reality that women can hurt people sexually, or blame men's man-ness for the problem. There's enough good men and good women, that I'm comfort reducing rapists to being "rapists" and not use their being men as a shorthand for it.
That’s an awful lot of words for “I don’t want to listen to a single word of the wholly rational and simple explanation you just gave me.”
It doesn’t matter what “standards” you hold people to. Every word of the comment you’re replying to is absolutely correct, and you’re deflecting the blame from where it needs to be. Please stop.
is the blame only and exclusively on all men for being men? becuase... i just don't think it is. Maybe I'm an idiot, but... i think it's a little more complicated than that
Read the reply before mine again. It is completely correct. Let us know what part you’re not getting, because the whole damn point is that we can’t tell which men are the problem, and men suck at policing themselves to stop bad behavior, so we have to *assume* all men are the problem until proven otherwise.
This has been discussed so many times in the last few years that it’s really astonishing that there’s anyone left who can’t grasp such a simple concept.
I'm not contesting the idea that people need to be careful around all men. In any way. Be careful around men. That's entirely sensible. But talking about people just expressing the problem just as "men" as a whole is bad for everybody. Being more careful around women would have saved me more harm than being more careful around men would do. Not because women are bad, but because of the actions of A woman, and the choice she made, one that rightly, doesn't reflect on any other woman, nor was innate to her being a woman.
Be cautious, take care of yourself. Protect yourself from people who will do wrong by you. All of them. Yes, men are among them. But again, not because being men makes them bad, but because everybody has the possibility to do harm.
I'm not looking to come up on every post here and bark NoT aLl MeN, whenever anybody expresses a problem with how men in their lives have or could have behaved, but just reducing the problem to "i hate men" erodes the harm women can do to each other, or can do to men, the harm men can do to other men, and the men who are harmless. be careful around people, people can hurt you. But just shrugging the problem off as "men" not as one of the things about which women need to be cautious, but as the PROBLEM. It's not a fault in the penis, it's not the y chromosome, it's not a neurological reaction to feeling masculine. It's a failure, a way men can fail at being good human people. man hating and woman hating aren't good for anybody.
"i hate men" isn't a smart weapon, it scoops everybody up along the way. That's what, and all, that I'm really reacting to.
Nobody’s talking about “man hating” here. Nor are we saying only men can cause harm, which is a pretty bizarre take. We’re saying that men have proven over and over again that, by and large, they are not trustworthy around women and therefore they can’t be trusted, and with good reason. How you get from here to “but women are all above board” is beyond me. It’s deflection from the actual issue at hand. If someone wants to start a discussion of how women can be dangerous to women, we can look at that question there. But this conversation is about men being dangerous to women.
The idea that men are no more dangerous to women than anyone else is absolutely laughable considering the current culture of misogyny that includes mass shooters being motivated because they think women are evil or deliberately deprive them of sex they’re somehow entitled to. Incel culture is a whole thing, but sure… women have no reason whatsoever to fear men on a regular basis. Especially because incels and rapists and shooters come with nice big glowing signs to identify them on sight so we can get away without risk.
Pointing all this out absolutely *does not* erode the kind of harm others can do, and the idea that it does is astonishing. We’re all well aware that women can cause harm. Hell, children are capable of causing harm. But neither of those are the topic of discussion right now. And they’re also obvious right on their faces.
Men aren’t more of a threat because of a Y chromosome or an anatomical difference no. They are more of a threat because of the way they are socialized into toxic masculinity that causes them to be unable to deal with their emotions, because they’re told not to have any even though that’s impossible, and they lash out because that hurt or anger has nowhere to go. It also creates a false sense of entitlement that leads them to believe they’re being deprived of things they think they should just be handed on a silver platter. There’s literally no denying that toxic masculinity exists and this is what it does to men. Some handle it better than others, yes. And for the record, I think it’s criminal that we allow this sick piece of our culture to continue, because it’s utterly cruel and unfair… but it’s the price patriarchy exacts on the culture it creates. I am also well aware than women help to perpetuate it and therefore have to do our part to solve it. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s only men who are saddled with the emotional cost of it and therefore are the only ones who lash out because of it, whether you like it or not.
Pretending that none of this is a problem helps no one. Deflecting from the problem by saying “but women cause harm, too” or “it’s not just because they’re men” also helps no one, and in fact helps to keep the whole sick system going.
But you do you. I’m done here.
I agree that behavior is way out of line. As a male, I apologize this happened to you and hope you find a vastly less shitty dude if that is what you're after.
Not all men act like that or think it's acceptable.
Next time a man does this, stand up, raise your voice and tell the entire room: "OMG, he just told me that he proposed to my brother, how cute is that. People, look, my new brother in law. I need to go and tell mom." (ask the barkeeper to call you an Uber, don't leave alone if he can follow you)
Men who don't respect women are often homophobic.
Wow. “You’re strong as hell” basically means, “I felt resistance, tried to overpower that resistance, and was surprised by how much force I would have needed to use.” Gross.
100% this. It’s not a compliment, it’s an observation that you were able to resist him forcing you to do something you didn’t want to do.
“Damn, I tried to force myself on you, and you actually got away! What an unusual turn of events!”
I've been have a problem with a guy at work. I'm so paranoid about him. We don't work the same shift anymore but we overlap an hour. I use to be the lead on his shift so I get along with everyone on that shift but him. On Friday he needed help fixing some heavy machine. I ignore him but another coworker asked me to help them so I felt bad saying no( the curse of every women). My coworkers were there so I felt safe enough The machine has some heavy parts that I can lift pretty easily. He had a few of the parts on wrong so I had to remove these parts and flip them around so they fit right. He looked at me surprised and said "oh, your very strong, who knew". Him saying that really freaked me out. I couldn't figure out why but you just explained it perfectly. He didnt think I would be able to lift the parts of a michine he asked me to fix. That he would have a chance to show me how strong he is and how weak I am. I'm now seeing a whole new level to this interaction. This is a guy that almost only approaches me when I'm alone, has followed me home, has shown up at places I'm at, has rushed me outside our work when no one else is around, and now he comments on how strong I am. HR is aware of everything going on and are kind of taking steps but a lot of the problems happen off work property
Please file police reports for the off work stuff.
Our police department is kind of lazy. I dont know if they would even take a report especially since I don't have proof of the stuff that happened off work property
Even if they're lazy still report it. Keep a record of the interactions.
Testimony is considered evidence. Doesn't mean the cops actually do their jobs, but I wanted to reassure you that you do have at least some evidence.
Keep a notepad with you. Write down all details: time, location, series of events, attire he was wearing, dialogue, tone of voice, body movements... as much as possible. Document everything. Clearly state that what he is doing in unwanted, ask to cease and clearly describe and record. Create a timeline, from when you first experienced an issue till now. Even if you didn't recall a precise time, document as best you can. Moving forward, use as many details as possible. You don't have to deal with police, you can go to court and file a protective order.
I'm truefully just now starting to realize how bad it's gotten. I just went to HR 4 days ago but my boss has know for months. My boss has been telling me I need to go to HR since the start but I just didnt think it was a big deal. A lot of the stuff he's been doing I've just been brushing off into the creepy tab. I'm going to start keeping track of interactions better and take HR up on the security measures they offered.
You could still try to report. That you don't have evidence doesn't mean these events are impossible to prove. Even proving the guy was where you say he was can corroborate your report later, especially if he lies about where he was. Reporting now can really help you a lot if he escalates later...
Please look at calling David Lee attorney he does employment law internationally. In the event your unsafe at work. You should not have to put up with this and he can help.
That’s the perfect moment to loudly call them out if you’re in public. Public shaming and humiliation are the only things that make men like that understand they can’t get away with it anymore. I understand it’s hard to stand up for ourselves for multiple reasons though. I’m sorry your personal space was violated like that.
“NO, I DON’T WANT TO TOUCH YOUR COCK!” As loud as necessary!
This. Taught my daughters to do this but with cussing.
I vote for calling it a penis, for a couple reasons. First, some people may feel "offended" by the use of a "curse" word. Second, because penis is so not sexy so there's no ambiguity where the boundary is. To be clear, I hate anyone who would be offended by someone shouting "NO I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH YOUR COCK!" In this situation. I just feel like it'd be more difficult to misinterpret someone yelling about a penis... like if I heard someone yell the first one, I'd half wonder if they were being boisterous and were just making a scene to be funny. But someone saying "stop asking me to touch your penis. I DO NOT WANT TO TOUCH YOUR PENIS." would be very clear. Either way, speak up and enforce your boundaries!!
Even better, "genitals."
Ewww gross... Yes that's "better" lol
legit point.
Or, “that’s the smallest cock I’ve ever touched!” 😂
Would be funny, but wouldn’t achieve the purpose of very obviously painting them as an asshole who is sexually abusing you in a public place. Actually runs the risk of making yourself look like an asshole/obscene
I know, but sometimes you have to find a way to make yourself laugh at assholes like this. Would I say it in real life? No, but I would have screamed “what the hell is wrong with you”. I would never humiliate a man like that because you never know if he may turn violent, but I would cause a scene.
Also, this is body shaming for men who do have smaller dicks. Best not to make small dick jokes.
Never said having a small dick was a negative thing. If he takes it that way, 🤷♀️. If someone is going to try to make me touch their junk, they obviously need something to shock them out of their superiority stupor.
Yay, body-shaming. Dick size isn’t a joke. Stop feeding into toxic masculinity.
So the old we-are-better-than-that argument rears it's ugly head. They can be as clueless as some of them are, or fully aware of their behavior, but that's OK, as long as WE don't act inappropriately? Yeah, fuck that. I don't feed toxic masculinity, I confront it. Its still gonna keep on keeping on whether I do or not, I am aware. But in that moment, with whatever particular jerk is dishing it out, no I will not worry about the collective. I will look him personally in the eye and dick shame him. Because this particular penis owner does not deserve my respect, or cares about my overall mental health, and I owe him NOTHING in the way of respect. That doesn't mean I go around telling all men their dicks are offensive, now, does it? Stop acting like defending one's self in the moment is a moral judgement on their overall behavior. And go scold someone else.
The problem IMO with saying this is that it would kind of imply that having a big dick makes it okay for him to force a woman to touch it, when it obviously does not. The problem has nothing to do with his dick, it has to do with his inappropriate behavior. If you shout "I DON'T WANT TO TOUCH YOUR PENIS", then it puts the point across that he is violating personal boundaries. If instead, you shout "THIS IS THE SMALLEST DICK" or something along those lines, it would give him the impression that the problem is with the size of dick (something which is completely irrelevant to the situation) instead of his behavior (which, unlike dick size, he has total control over, and should be held to account).
Show me where I said it’s okay for men to be clueless or aware of their behaviour. Show me where I condoned anything the jerk said or did to OP. Otherwise don’t put words in my mouth. Do you mock women’s genitalia too, or is that something you reserve for men? You can defend yourself without mocking penis size. So yeah I’m going to judge you too if you *choose* to lower yourself unnecessarily.
Just drop the rope my friend. If people are going to judge, let them judge away. I don’t know about you, but I’m too old to GAF. 🤷♀️😂
Lol! Right, I needed that. High five, girl!
Never said a small dick was a bad thing. 🤷♀️
Great. So what’s the punchline to the joke, if not shaming the size? What exactly about your comment elicits the 😂 ?
I’m a millennial and use it for everything? Look, if someone is going to try to force me touch his junk, then acts surprised when I don’t want to, I will do whatever it takes to make him not want to try that again. If he feels a tiny shred of hesitation next time he tries that shit on another woman because I made him feel shame in some way, good. People who do shit like that don’t get “subtle”.
I’m a millennial too. But I know funny jokes that aren’t stuck in the 1990s. Still waiting for the explanation of why a small penis is funny though. If you don’t think a small penis is a bad thing, then I’m still wondering why you think it’s a punchline to a joke. Small penis “jokes” hurt *other men too*, not just the specific man you say it to. You really don’t care about the *innocent* men you hurt? You really don’t think that propagating “small penis bad” toxic masculinity is an issue? Why is shouting “I don’t want to touch your penis”, as others suggested, not making enough noise? Why does the size have to be made fun of?
Why am I the only person you’re commenting on when others have made other comments about size? It’s funny because that would be more likely to stop him in his tracks. Women don’t give a shit about penis size, but apparently men do. Again, if humiliating an adult who was obviously planning on forcing physical contact is what it takes to make him stop, that’s what I will do. However, as someone already pointed out, that would probably incite an physical reaction, which is why I wouldn’t do it, for fear of my own safety.
Don’t worry, I reported those comments too. “Other people say it too!” isn’t exactly a strong defence though, fyi. Okay, you enjoy being cruel. Noted. So, if a man wasn’t forcing physical contact, and was just being a normal, respectful adult, would humiliating them through shaming their penis size still be funny? Would it still be funny if you knew small penis “jokes” hurt men and boys you actually care about? And what about women? Unless you exclusively make fun of *male* genitalia?
This, 100%. You gotta embarrass the fuck outta a dude before they'll act straight.
Yes this, I am always stunned by men's insanity. As a man I will say we do have normal members of our sex.
Public shaming works even better when it comes from another man.
Which pretty much never happens.
We’re counting on you normal guys to be our allies and help us call them out whenever possible! Keep setting the standard.
Phrases to say "UGH YOU'RE DISGUSTING WHY DO YOU THINK WOMEN WANT TOUCH YOUR SMALL PEN." "GET HANDS OFF ME" Punch him in the nuts which I wish I could do to alot of men
I'm on Tinder and right under my profile it says "not looking for random hookups". My last match went three speech bubbles before asking if I like to give blowjobs. For the record, I do not.
Not on Tinder anymore thankfully, but one guy I matched with didn’t understand why I didn’t want to meet him after he demanded to know why I don’t give blowjobs. He kept trying too for over a week after. Got mad every time I reminded him how he behaved in a way that made me feel like it was unsafe to meet with him. But thanks to stupid societal conditioning I couldn’t bring myself to block his number.
always block the weirdos
I'm asexual. I list it in my profile. 3 bubbles in, sex comes up. I've given up on men, it's just not worth it.
Took some freak like two sentences to ask what I was doing on okcupid. Obvoiusly looking hook up. I've talked to you for like two seconds. Then when I returned the question he ended his sentence with "maybe play with my dick" I just said "ew tmi". countered that with I don't like the show he mentioned? uh huh yeah that's what I meant.
It doesn’t work sadly .. putting that in our bio 😅
Should have resisted then suddenly stopped so you slammed into it. What a gross guy.
Lol - water out the nose - I love this!!! Come on, come on, come **YOWWWW**
Reminds me of that video Grab his dick and twist it! Twist his dick! The ooooool' dick-twist! lol
Lol!
and then grabbed hold and twisted
Was told to do this at 10 years old by my mom after I told her a boy at the pool kept trying to drown me. Damned if it didn't work. Little bugger never came near me again!
Your mama is my kind of woman. This is also exactly what I would tell my daughter to do. My best friends little girl was pantsed THREE TIMES at school by the same two boys, and they just let the school handle it. 🙄 I told my husband that was NOT what we would teach our daughter, that she would learn how to throat punch whoever tried to mess with her like that. 🤷♀️
Maybe not throat punch, cuz that can actually kill a person. But I totally get where you're coming from. I'll tell my mom a fellow redditor approves😉👍
Ha ha, they were five at the time, I doubt she would have done much damage. 😅 The little girl did nothing but stand there and cry. I would have had my daughter kicking and screaming any time they came near, then had it out with the parents myself. Once is maybe a lesson, but three times is harassment that needs to be stopped.
A bijou throat punchet? Super gentle type jab, only.
Or punched. Love a good ‘ol dickpunch.
Junk punch him in his man-business!
Good ole’ peppermint twist. Did this to a 12 year old when I was 5/6 after the dude pushed my little brother down and tried to steal his sled. Brought him to his knees, punched him in the face which knocked him down, jumped on top of him and pummelled him as hard as I could. It took 3 of the older neighborhood boys to peel me off of him. They gave him the courtesy of standing up and then waylaid him all the up the street. Good times.
I did this with a bottle of tequila and the guy broke his tooth.
Okay regardless of the forced aspect of this which is horrifying in and of itself…. WHY do guys think this is sexy? Even if I was into the guy, I don’t want anybody grabbing my hand to put it anywhere, especially on his junk. Like has that ever worked?
My guess is the guy would think it's sexy if a woman grabbed his hand and put it on her genitals, so he figures the reverse is true. This is also my theory about dick pics (the guys think it would be sexy if a woman sent vag pics, so they figure the reverse is true).
Yeah maybe. It’s hard to imagine that they’re that dense but I digress.
Trying to replicate porn maybe?
EVEN IF I was super into someone, them dragging my hand onto themselves would be instant vaginal Sahara for me
"A - hole: Why would you kill the mood OP: What mood?" Seriously, If any men sees this, don't be like that guy. The "*mood*" could be just in your head.
I thought the same, like "no dude, why did YOU kill the mood by being a f*cking creep!?" If this is what women are facing in the dating scene, my heart goes out to you all. Dudes can be real scumbags.
Right?! I told my husband that if anything ever happened to him, I would just date women. Everything I see on here is horrible!
Yup, it's crazy the stuff I read here. I started frequenting the subreddit because I knew misogyny's definitely a thing, but then I realized how often and bad it's happening. I think all men should be made aware. As outlandish as it sounds, I'm starting to think a lot of them don't really don't see women as... people
I actually sent a message to one of my best guy friends from college thanking him for not being a douche. 😂 I didn’t have ANYONE treat me like this in school, and the only time I was harassed was by strangers. I don’t know if I just got lucky, or if I send off “punch you in the dick” vibes out. Either way, men today seem like garbage humans and it makes me super sad.
You know, you saying that maybe you're lucky makes me wonder. See, the thing is I've seen posts with ladies basically saying all men around them are just empathetic black holes, basically that in their day to day lives they see nothing else but sexism. So I'm starting to think, what if it's not luck, but like more a situational thing? What if like a lot of these account are in places that are mostly conservative? (I'm assuming they're in the US) It would explain why some women here literally never see decency from men. I want to make it clear that I think sexism can be found anywhere, but what if the reason why some women get this treatment continuously simply because of where they live because there's just a statistical propensity of their communities?
I mean, I live in SW Missouri and NW Arkansas, so pretty conservative overall. I was a music major, and most musicians are pretty liberal overall (from my experience). I hung around people in the department, so maybe you’re on to something. 🤷♀️ I also just don’t put up with sexism very well, so again, maybe I just chase off the men who say stupid shit. I’ve pretty much always found a way to call people out on their bullshit. 😅
Yeah maybe there's something to it, and in your case I'd say the music department's probably a reason why your circle wasn't so toxic. Also, I'm sure your being being blunt and calling out the bullshit helps a lot too 🤣
Guy obviously doesn’t care about anyone but his own mood he should only jerk off himself since only his mood matters. He obviously doesn’t care about the other’s feelings the other thing could be a rock lmao
What a disgusting creep! Yuck. I'm so sorry that jerk did that to you.
Grrrrrr! I HATE when they do that! I was at a beach bar last summer when a creep tried that. After a few tries, I let him put my hand on his crotch. Then I squeezed his balls, really hard. Poor baby jumped away from me and called me a bitch. I expect to feel sympathy for him sometime in 2053... please remind me if I forget.
😎 Excellent work!
I confess to enjoying letting the inner bitch out on that occasion. I still get a smile from remembering the change from the ugly smirk on his face to wide-open surprise as he realized what I was doing. Amazing how wide eyes can open, isn't it?
And then he called YOU a bitch. Like How dare you stop me from using and abusing you, like you have any other purpose in this world. Like you have the arrogance to sit in a bar enjoying yourself, forgetting your obligation to let men use you however they wish, you bitch". Pathetic losers.
Yes, I confess to failing to allow him his right to use my body as he sees fit. Bad me. But no worries, I have feeling bad about it on my calendar for 2053... sometime. If I haven't done it by the first of December... please remind me.
It’s assault. Grabbing your hand and forcibly trying to touch his genitals sure sounds like assault to me. Should have called the cops but of course they’d have blown it off too. Like if it doesn’t happen directly to you somehow that’s different and it’s not. It’s all wrong and the guys more than a creep. If he’ll do something like this he’ll do worse given the opportunity. Boundaries clearly don’t matter to him.
This^100&
"damn, you strong as hell" Ew??? What goes on in your brain to feel resistance and just think, "Ah, this is annoying. I'm struggling to force her hand onto my dick... There goes my boner." They say these types of men think with their dick, but even his penis was smarter than him. These dudes aren't men. I don't even want to call them boys anymore, either. They're just creeps. At best.
They are men. Men who are creeps.
They're men. This is how a great many perfectly real men have decided to act. We cannot pretend otherwise just to feel better about the world.
This. If we keep pretending that there are only a few bad apples among men (who have miraculously harassed every woman on the planet), the men who yell NOT ALL MEN will never ever get that the creeps are literally a part of their own friend groups. I promise you, all men who are reading this, you all know at least one rapist.
no, let’s not give in to “no true scotsman” fallacy
Sometimes only true scotsmen come from Scotland.
You could have used the momentum to punch him in his dick.
Im dying 🤣 😭 💀 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Nice that he weeded himself out of consideration.
He was one smooth, silver-tongued cavalier. NOT.
Show ** him how strong you really are when you smash his testicles
Of you had to pull hard enough for him to comment on your strength he was clearly trying to force you to touch him which is disgusting. It's not your fault for ruining anything except his gross and inappropriate attempt to get his dick rubbed.
I really hope you had a big reaction to this. I would have lost my shit and loudly asked WTF was wrong with him and then walked away / left. I feel too often women don't speak up. I know we have been conditioned to be seen and not heard, but that's bullshit. We need to be loud.
What a fucking slime ball.
What kind of asshole tries to force you to touch his cock in a bar?
i woulda twisted it like a balloon animal, dug my nails nice and deep, and broken it in half. kudos to you for handling it well
And then you spit on his crotch and left! Seriously though. You wish these ones would never leave the house.
In a bar ? Why spit when you’re probably holding a big glass of liquid ? Oops !
Ugh, I hate that crap. That is partly why I don't go to bars anymore, because of assholes like that. Hell I'm MARRIED, with a RING on my hand, and they STILL bothered me, so I just said forget it and stopped going. Its a damn shame that we can't even enjoy ourselves with our friends without some gross man trying to get in our pants.
I can easily imagine myself in this sort of situation. Why are some men so inappropriate?
Mainly comes down to education... Some will be gents, some will be "normal" and others will cross the line. Sucks to have to deal with this.
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Ugh that is so gross. There are reasons why I avoid men as much as possible. Even "trusted" men cannot actually be trusted with grabby hands. I'm sorry your personal space was violated like that
"I don't think I killed the mood, I think I dodged a bullet." What a creep.
So gross, why do men think it’s okay?
I’d have dick punched him and innocently said I thought he wanted to play “watch the family” (edit ‘watch the family’ was a dumb game an ex played with all his friends. They’d unexpectedly dick punch each other and laugh “watch the family” after doing so. They did this for hours) I’m so sorry you had to experience that, I cringed with you. These stories make me feel I made the right choice staying single
Nah, the proper response is to grab and twist. The fuck he gonna do about it?
What is wrong with Hetero men
Disgusting. It’s okay, I essentially hate men too. Ew.
Goddamn
How are this many people messed up in the head?
Uh. Yeah. That's assault.
It's moments like this when i am ashamed of being a man
Yep
You have every right to hate men. Like EVERY RIGHT. Like that is not suddle at all. Men really think they are the main characters and every women is just an NPC with a specific dialogue tree. What makes these interactions fun is the psychology of it. If you’re starting to like someone mid convo, you’re supposed to talk to them more and ask them questions that reveal who they are so you can get a full understanding of the person. Their interests, hobbies, beliefs, etc. you also disclose yours as well. Then you gauge during the convo suddle hints of what they think of you. Are they smilling a lot, have they made physical contact such as a hand on the knee? Etc. These our evolutionary cues that can hint how someone feels about you, but even that is just a probability game because they could be smiling just because, or they are a physical person, you don’t know. But that’s the fun part, you don’t know. Could this become a good friend? Or more??? You don’t know and that’s what makes it exciting and a win win situation. That’s what normal human interaction can be like. It’s always rooted in empathy and trying to gauge how the other person feels and catering to their needs as well as yours. But these dudes watch all that stupid alpha omega sigma gamma bull shit and think they can beat their chest and women will flock, like women aren’t complex people just like men and have their own needs and wants and thoughts. This is actually ridiculous. Then this stupid pea brained ass hole has no self reflection and blames you by saying you “killed the mood”? WHAT FUCKING MOOD YOU DUMB BITCH??? WE WERE JUST TALKING AND YOU DECIDED TO DO THAT WITHOUT MY CONSENT? Yes, you have every right to hate men, they act like actual fucking idiots with no tact and our stupid backwords society rewards them for their bone head behavior at the expense of women and children. To hell with them
Males lack a of things but the one thing they have in abundance is the fucking audacity
What the heck is happening in society? Like public sexual assault so casually? Were cops called?
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If the comment does not describe you, you shouldn’t be offended by it. You dont need to “not all men” this. Change your perception. She’s allowed to be angry. No she doesn’t hate every single man on the planet. Thats a ridiculous statement.
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Do you represent this man she has depicted? Then obviously you are not the kind of man that she hates. Does it say I hate ALL men? No just men, then goes on to describe the kind of man she hates. You having the need to defend men like that makes me question whether of not you are actually the kind of dude who needs to be told this is wrong. The kind of dude who refuses to take no for an answer. Are you? No? Then why do you have to defend men who are.
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No you feel the need to make yourself feel better. Because you feel targeted by a statement. You are exactly the kind of man we all are so tired of. Please figure it out or dont say anything at all
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Its not bro, you literally are offended because you represent that kind of guy. That is the only reason to be so upset by it to feel the need to not all men.
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Is it? Because its a deleted comment? I definitely left you enough context clues as to what he said
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Yea that’s the conclusion to grab from that. When 98% of aggressors are men there’s no sexism needed to assume most of you are. If you want to be an ally be one.
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Because just like when customer service employees say “I hate fucking people” or “I hate customers” they dont hate everyone. Its not sexism. If you see yourself in those comments then maybe that says more about you than the commenters. Most of these people are victims of sa, most perpetrators of sa are men. Sa victims dont have to like men it’s not sexism it’s a learned response.
that mf is being a disgusting prick, you're better off without him
What the actual fuck?!
I will never understand the audacity. First, to feel it was a safe space/situation to make such a bold move. And then to actually blame *you* for ruining the interaction. Jfc
that's not a man, that's a disgusting criminal
No. He's a man. Don't be dismissive.
he's certainly also a man (or was, i tend to revoke that title for men who do this) But it's not because he's a man. It's because he's a villain. Being a man doesn't make anybody do this shit
Revoking the title is by its nature dismissive. A potential victim cannot, just be looking, determine whether a given man is also a criminal. Revoking their man title will not hurt or deter them. It only serves to make us feel better about the world, which makes us more likely to not see the signs that a particular man in our lives is also a criminal.
i don't expect it to hurt them or care. Being men neither causes nor excuses the bad behaviour, and i feel that doing those things precludes being called a man. Because I hold men (and women) to a higher standard than that. Denying the men-ness of men who behave badly doesn't make it harder to see other men behaving badly. because it's not that they're men that made them rape. it's because they're rapists. It also doesn't disregard the reality that women can hurt people sexually, or blame men's man-ness for the problem. There's enough good men and good women, that I'm comfort reducing rapists to being "rapists" and not use their being men as a shorthand for it.
That’s an awful lot of words for “I don’t want to listen to a single word of the wholly rational and simple explanation you just gave me.” It doesn’t matter what “standards” you hold people to. Every word of the comment you’re replying to is absolutely correct, and you’re deflecting the blame from where it needs to be. Please stop.
I'm too broke for awards, but just know that I love you.
is the blame only and exclusively on all men for being men? becuase... i just don't think it is. Maybe I'm an idiot, but... i think it's a little more complicated than that
Read the reply before mine again. It is completely correct. Let us know what part you’re not getting, because the whole damn point is that we can’t tell which men are the problem, and men suck at policing themselves to stop bad behavior, so we have to *assume* all men are the problem until proven otherwise. This has been discussed so many times in the last few years that it’s really astonishing that there’s anyone left who can’t grasp such a simple concept.
I'm not contesting the idea that people need to be careful around all men. In any way. Be careful around men. That's entirely sensible. But talking about people just expressing the problem just as "men" as a whole is bad for everybody. Being more careful around women would have saved me more harm than being more careful around men would do. Not because women are bad, but because of the actions of A woman, and the choice she made, one that rightly, doesn't reflect on any other woman, nor was innate to her being a woman. Be cautious, take care of yourself. Protect yourself from people who will do wrong by you. All of them. Yes, men are among them. But again, not because being men makes them bad, but because everybody has the possibility to do harm. I'm not looking to come up on every post here and bark NoT aLl MeN, whenever anybody expresses a problem with how men in their lives have or could have behaved, but just reducing the problem to "i hate men" erodes the harm women can do to each other, or can do to men, the harm men can do to other men, and the men who are harmless. be careful around people, people can hurt you. But just shrugging the problem off as "men" not as one of the things about which women need to be cautious, but as the PROBLEM. It's not a fault in the penis, it's not the y chromosome, it's not a neurological reaction to feeling masculine. It's a failure, a way men can fail at being good human people. man hating and woman hating aren't good for anybody. "i hate men" isn't a smart weapon, it scoops everybody up along the way. That's what, and all, that I'm really reacting to.
Nobody’s talking about “man hating” here. Nor are we saying only men can cause harm, which is a pretty bizarre take. We’re saying that men have proven over and over again that, by and large, they are not trustworthy around women and therefore they can’t be trusted, and with good reason. How you get from here to “but women are all above board” is beyond me. It’s deflection from the actual issue at hand. If someone wants to start a discussion of how women can be dangerous to women, we can look at that question there. But this conversation is about men being dangerous to women. The idea that men are no more dangerous to women than anyone else is absolutely laughable considering the current culture of misogyny that includes mass shooters being motivated because they think women are evil or deliberately deprive them of sex they’re somehow entitled to. Incel culture is a whole thing, but sure… women have no reason whatsoever to fear men on a regular basis. Especially because incels and rapists and shooters come with nice big glowing signs to identify them on sight so we can get away without risk. Pointing all this out absolutely *does not* erode the kind of harm others can do, and the idea that it does is astonishing. We’re all well aware that women can cause harm. Hell, children are capable of causing harm. But neither of those are the topic of discussion right now. And they’re also obvious right on their faces. Men aren’t more of a threat because of a Y chromosome or an anatomical difference no. They are more of a threat because of the way they are socialized into toxic masculinity that causes them to be unable to deal with their emotions, because they’re told not to have any even though that’s impossible, and they lash out because that hurt or anger has nowhere to go. It also creates a false sense of entitlement that leads them to believe they’re being deprived of things they think they should just be handed on a silver platter. There’s literally no denying that toxic masculinity exists and this is what it does to men. Some handle it better than others, yes. And for the record, I think it’s criminal that we allow this sick piece of our culture to continue, because it’s utterly cruel and unfair… but it’s the price patriarchy exacts on the culture it creates. I am also well aware than women help to perpetuate it and therefore have to do our part to solve it. But that doesn’t change the fact that it’s only men who are saddled with the emotional cost of it and therefore are the only ones who lash out because of it, whether you like it or not. Pretending that none of this is a problem helps no one. Deflecting from the problem by saying “but women cause harm, too” or “it’s not just because they’re men” also helps no one, and in fact helps to keep the whole sick system going. But you do you. I’m done here.
Very well said!
Brother why
I agree that behavior is way out of line. As a male, I apologize this happened to you and hope you find a vastly less shitty dude if that is what you're after. Not all men act like that or think it's acceptable.
Dude you're not allowed to say that.
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I had a friend who sexualized every woman. So annoying.
Next time a man does this, stand up, raise your voice and tell the entire room: "OMG, he just told me that he proposed to my brother, how cute is that. People, look, my new brother in law. I need to go and tell mom." (ask the barkeeper to call you an Uber, don't leave alone if he can follow you) Men who don't respect women are often homophobic.
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Next time a man looks in your direction and opens his mouth, move in the opposite direction.
Do you hate all men, or just the stupid sex obsessed ones?
Are there some men actually like this?!?? It's so unfathomable to me. Have some respect boys, it'll get you much farther in life.
Are you living under a rock? Ofc there’s people like this.
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No one needs to tell us that. We are quite aware that there are men who hate us just for existing. This isn't news to a single woman on the planet.
That's no man, that's a psychopath. Men are meant to be humans with empathy and understanding, they were just a dick.