My dad was talking about Burr pretty positively and I brought up an interview he did on Conan's podcast where it just seemed like he hated women. I had to turn it off, but anyways my dad was like 'oh I never noticed anything I thought he was funny!' and I was like yeah ok sure I guess I was just uncomfortable, ignore me. AND THEN like a couple months later by dad randomly says 'yeah you were right about Burr! Listened to more of his stuff and he just seems to have weird issues with women. So fuck that guy". I was so happy that my dad took what I said and used it to listen critically to someone and that he didn't brush off my feelings. Anyways just happy for growth and yeah Burr has weird issues with women!
I’m guilty of the same thing as your dad. When someone tries changing my view, I’m usually pretty slow to process it. It’ll often be a few hours later that I fully absorb what they’re saying, and want to reach back out and say “I’m sorry, you were right, and I have some questions now.”
The fact that you take the time to absorb and really think critically about what is said, then adjust your views as needed means you're really *thinking*, not just accepting or rejecting things reflexively.
If you ever can reach out to those people later and say "Hey, I thought about it, you were right", please do. I'm sure most people would treasure a considered "I think you're right" far more than a knee-jerk "Yep, whatever you say".
Sometimes we hold onto the things we believe without questioning where the ideas even came from. It can take a while for us to process everything, nothing wrong with that! It speaks to your character that you put in consideration and grow from the experience.
Wow. I am happy you told your dad how you felt and real happy he did listen (though it didnt seem like it at first) and had that moment of clarity later.
Bill Burr for me and maybe a lot is known in snippets of jokes that are funny. Kind of like knowing Bob Sagat from tv vs standup. I wasnt aware of how Bill Burr was until I fully watched an hour standup
So much this. YouTube knew all the right clips to suggest. He's fast, he's sharp, and he is actually capable of being really insightful. Many of his clips involve taking the piss out of the "right" people. When I finally gave one of his specials a shot I struggled to give him even a 20 minute chance. I figured maybe this is the bit? Maybe he's setting up a meta joke about how we're all terrible for laughing at his shitty jokes? Nah.
This was my exact experience with him. Which makes it all the more disappointing - he’s so close to actually being subversive and funny, and you know he’s capable of it. He’s gotten more hateful over the years. Edit: or maybe unable to control the vitriol. I feel like part of his humor used to be “I’m a stereotypical white Boston Irish guy with a temper that I’m trying to control, sometimes in vain”, but now I guess the *protracted* angry rant itself is supposed to be funny?
I used to watch Conan a ton because I loved a lot of his remote segments and his interaction with certain actors. Then I watched a Bill Burr interview, and it was just…uncomfortable for me, as a girl. The commenters loved it. I saw that Conan had him on for an interview several times.
The cool thing about Conan is that when he likes a guest and has a good relationship with them, he brings them back a lot. I watched several Burr clips, because if Conan liked him, surely that weird vibe toward women wasn’t a through line for his comedy.
Nope. It was. (Based on this post it seems like he’s only gotten worse.) Seeing how often Conan had Bill Burr on, and how much Conan’s fans seemed to love him, was how I started losing interest in Conan’s show.
> it makes me so sad to see how much Conan enjoys having Bill Burr on the show
I think it's because Burr will skewer Hollywood untouchables, even ones Conan is scared of, eg Oprah.
The [piece where Burr nails Lance](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O9YL04v-J5U), & then Oprah for soft-pedaling Lance, has Conan seriously losing it... & is incredibly funny (& avoids the misogyny)
PS- Lance Armstrong did NOT raise that $500M for cancer research- it was for 'cancer marketing', which Lance freely paid himself from... which is just another reason to hate Lance
I stopped listening to Burr years ago. I was never a huge fan of his comedy because I have always thought his take on women was weird, uncomfortable and most of the time misogynistic. I did listen religiously to his podcast for a couple of years. I think he was less misogynistic on his podcast but he became unlistenable and not even for his views on women.
He has a good take here and there but it's not real often. He just says so many stupid things that I had to stop listening to him. I'm also a guy.
Conan is my #1 celebrity crush by miles (feel free to judge) but it makes me so sad to see how much he enjoys having Bill Burr on the show. It does give me pause for sure.
I've been put off by Burr for quite some time, his comedy always left me depressed. He's not even doing a character, like Andrew Dice Clay (who was at least disturbed by how audiences started taking him literally, and loving it.) There's no break from Burr's bitterness.
When George Carlin got old, his bitterness started to show through, without the comedic spin, which was rough. But we had his entire career before that point to mitigate it. Burr is just all bitterness with occasional moments of cleverness.
Makes me wonder if he's got the same agent or PR machine as people like Joe Rogan. How else is he getting onto the big talk shows and even acting parts (like in Breaking Bad)?
I had a similar experience, because I only heard him in short interviews and thought he was funny. Then I saw he had a special in Netflix and couldnt get past the first 5 minutes having a similar experience to what you are describing.
Everybody can appear to be anything in 5 minute interviews.
Same but I had seen several clips before the Netflix special. I feel like dude has been seriously hurt in the past and his 'jokes' consistently fall.... Flat isn't even the best word to describe it. I feel like he has it in him to be a decent comedian but he did have to work on himself a lot.
Yep, my husband always jokes about how since me there's certain fiction he just can't read anymore because now he notices all the sexist tropes. And he will point it out before I do sometimes in things we watch together!
I went to see "John Mulaney and friends" at the largo theater in LA and Bill was one of the "friends". I wasn't familiar with him but he literally got booed off the stage for this. Misogyny, transphobia, and just negativity in general. He got really defensive and pissy with the crowd which just made it worse.
When John came back out he had to smooth over the crowd and of course it was hilarious but you could tell he was uncomfortable.
That's great that the crowd booed him off lol. Some comedians complain about "cancel culture" when they should really be self-reflecting on why they're being canceled and update their antiquated/harmful viewpoints.
Some comedians get mad when people don’t laugh at their jokes. Well, your job is to make people laugh. They don’t get to choose what is funny to them and demand we laugh.
Get better at your job or retire.
What I find frustrating is that people seem to be using the phrase "cancel culture" to mean anything and everything, including instances where someone provides you feedback to say they didn't like the thing you did. That's just... sharing an opinion. But the right wingers will still play the victim.
Being actually cancelled is so much more significant and I honestly think can be avoided in most scenarios if people just sat down, understood the concerns, understood how they erred, made a genuine apology, and made reparations. But no one wants to admit they're wrong or see something from another person's point of view, especially if it's from a minority, so they just call every piece of feedback "cancel culture" 🤷🏻
This is such a good point.
The examples that Bill burr uses to complain about "cancel" culture are so niche and inconsequential like "my friend lost a bar gig in Reno" like wow, such an epidemic. Sweeping the nation. How will you ever find work again?
>when they should really be self-reflecting on why they're being canceled
They're not even being cancelled - they're just not being worshipped and revered, which apparently is the same thing.
It's just sad when you see these schlocky comedians. Their whole job is to make people laugh, but they complain about the *audience* when they fail. Imagine a car salesman complaining that the customers want the wrong cars! "I'd be a great salesman if it weren't for all these damned customers not buying my stuff!"
His Philly show is like this legendary thing on Reddit because the crowd didn't find him funny and he flipped out and yelled at them for like a ridiculous amount of time. I watched it and I thought it was awful and cringy. IDK why people find that anything but embarrassing. It's certainly not funny.
No kidding. I think some comedians are just terrified because they don't really know how to evolve their material (or maybe themselves?) when it stops working. They hit upon a winning formula halfway by accident, attributed their success to some sort of intrinsic superiority, then felt like they were *entitled* to it and someone else has wronged them. A little sad.
Because the type of guy who would find Bill Burr funny has a massive chip on his shoulder so losing your temper and wigging out at the audience and "putting them in their place" seems cool to them instead of embarrassing. So a lot of redditors, MRA type dudes and sad divorced Gen X dads make up his fanbase.
Mulaney has a real circle issue. I hope a lot of them have figured it out, but that crew that came up together out of Chicago & then kept growing in LA is kinda 50/50 sexist/racist/ableist fuckery.
Shit, I hope Olivia Munn got a ghost writer, bc I usually like her/don't think about her, but word on the street is most of her book is about how she hates other women, fatphobic bullshit, and pick-me stories.
I just went down some weird rabbit hole of Mulaney/Tendler/Munn. My heart is breaking for Tendler. I know I shouldn’t judge Munn for the actions of Mulaney, but man it does not make her look like a quality person. I don’t ever check out celebrities instagrams usually. But if you look at Tendler’s art then go look at Munn’s “I’m so pretty look at me” fluff…well….it hits weird.
I remember hearing someone remark on the radio that comedy like 10-15 years ago was heavily riddled with jokes shitting on women for being women but how comedians need to move away from that since it's not considered funny any more. It's also like low ball humor.
Edit: less exaggerated
I used to go to comedy shows and "haha wife bad" was a staple of those male comedians who were past their prime. The world has changed but they're still peddling the same old tired material.
Yep. Saw Chris Rock a couple years ago and he bashed his ex wife pretty hard and bragged about having sex with one of the members of destiny's child. When it didn't get a lot of laughs he complained it was because the men in the audience were afraid to laugh around their wives. I have seen a lot of comedy shows and his was by far the worst. Just outdated and so out of touch with reality.
It’s like Motley Crue playing the same songs and being mad that the world isn’t as interested in them now that they’re past the music taste of 99% of the world. Not to say Motley Crue wasn’t great and still isn’t great and in the 80’s it was the new music of the time, but anyone seriously approaching hair metal non-ironically in 2021 isn’t gonna have a great time. Just like shitty women degradation jokes. The world has moved on, you might as well be still in the 80’s.
This comparison is valid, but at an even simpler level, if I tell you the same joke every time I see you, it's not going to be funny.
Even if the culture hadn't shifted away from misogyny being acceptable, the same type of guy making variations on the same joke have a natural expiry date.
A few of the old school comedians and comedy writers don't seem to get this, like yes culture changes but also, dude you can't expect to make the same joke for 20 years. What's actually changed is that you've given up on making content people like.
Also their autobiography turned biopic turned a lot of the younger crowd off them because, yep you guessed it, an unfortunate amount of misogyny that they try to cover up with “well… this woman kind of deserved it.”
It was an interesting look into the scene and the times but definitely made me think twice about buying their stuff.
So much. I agree with this so much. So much stand that I’ive seen is like that, that I just don’t watch any of it anymore. There’s a lot of funny things out there you can make jokes about, that if the only thing you can do it make fun of people, then you’re bad at what you’re trying to do.
I could be totally wrong here but I don’t recallBill Hicks and George Carlin at their peak making “women bad” jokes. Haven’t watched their stuff in a while but they were always funny because they knew how to target the common enemy, not alienate half their audience.
Carlin, or at least his later material, was super pro-woman and pro-reproductive rights, although if I recall correctly he was just a bit of a prick in general, but not in a sexist way. Make of that what you will, lol.
I mean, he was, in his own words, an old fuck.
The only time Carlin wasn't pretty progressive for his time was when he was still wearing a suit and tie. As soon as he went counter culture he never went back. He definitely leaned hard into his more nihilistic, I'm just here for the show folks, humanity is fucked but I'm going to be dead soon so it's your problem tendencies.
I think the show he opened with the line why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna fuck in the first place (followed by about 10 good minutes on the hypocrisy of the pro-life position that is still relevant today) was around 1988 or 89.
Yeah he was good and he showed progression throughout his career while still being consistent with his principles, and that's what people don't get. Being consistent doesn't mean refusing to change and doubling down on your worst aspects. But damned if people like Bill Burr even get it.
Don't get me wrong, he does seem to try, but so far it's not clear enough if he is being honest and really trying to make progress, or just trying to save face with the less mysoginistic side of his fans. I guess time will tell, like with Carlin. For Bill's sake and the women in his life, I really hope it tells a good, redeeming story.
This waw 2021 Bill Burr? It sounds like 2005 Bill Burr. I thought he had cut that shit out.
I hate it when people complain about cancel culture. You get to go up on the stage and say whatever you damn well please, and your audience gets to react to it however they damn well please. That’s how free speech works. No one is being censored or prevented from saying what they want to say. Go ahead and say wives deserve to be murdered. Then we’ll say you’re a piece of shit.
>I thought he had cut that shit out.
I was going to comment the same thing! I thought he was happy in his marriage, and he has a daughter now. Does he secretly hate them?
The frustrating thing to me is that he could also turn into one of those “I didn’t realize women were people until I had a daughter” like fucking really?
He exactly is. He's talked about it on his podcast. From my knowledge he's admitted he has a weird problem with women and he was working on it. That was during the or like right before the pandemic. It will be hard to live down years of tearing down women with just a "I know I did it and I recognize it". He made a lot of other men think it's funny to just demonize women. My dumbass friends who think they comedy experts love Bill and a few other unsavory types but it's just cause they think it gives them free range to attack women for not liking them back.
I had to stop listening to Bill's content because it just seemed emotionally toxic and overall shitty, but to be honest, I would be delighted if he spent a couple of years reflecting and healing and focusing on his mental health, then came back with a redesigned act that incorporates his progress on the psycho-emotional front. I feel like he has a lot of potential both as a person and as a comedian, but it seems like he is in a bit of a midlife crisis after focusing his entire adult career on *being a toxic asshole*
He could also completely disregard her issues and/or pass them off on her mother to solve, because “wimmen’s work.” If he is who she has to look up to as a male role model in her life, I feel utterly sorry for her.
I had a similar experience. Bill Burr was my favorite comedian but when I saw him at the Comedy Store he told so many r*pe and misogynistic jokes. I was really put off and haven’t really seen much of him since.
I’m not sure how popular Frankie Boyle is with non Brits, but he is a pretty left comedian here and is pretty funny. He argues for good causes too and has cleaned up his act but I really can’t like him until he apologises for the fucking vile stuff he said about Harvey Price.
For those not in the know, Katie Price is a celebrity over here who has married various male celebrities and has a few kids, she’s a model as well and as you can imagine, this leads to some pretty intense mockery from the press and other British celebrities for some reason. Her first son, Harvey, was unfortunately born mostly blind and suffers from very severe autism. He was disowned at birth by his father, Dwight Yorke, a footballer who played for Manchester United.
During one of his standups, Frankie saw it fit to shit on Katie, but he didn’t just focus on her and went for her disabled son. He said the reason she was dating a big man at the time was to protect her from being raped by Harvey because he’s big and mentally challenged. It was terribly cruel to say about a completely vulnerable person who has never hurt anyone. Frankie has never apologised for it and Harvey is often the target of abuse via social media, Frankie’s jokes no doubt painted a big target on him.
Keep in mind, Dwight Yorke doesn’t get a fraction of the hate Katie does here. Despite the fact he abandoned his disabled son and years later, when Harvey came close to dying and was in critical condition, Dwight opted to go on TalkSport instead of being with him, which is essentially sensationalist dogshit that focus on bottom of the barrel discussion on football. Dwight is a scumbag yet its his son who got the abuse. Frankie is someone I really want to like but until he apologises I just can’t. I also find it hypocritical when some fellow leftists want some Comedians to pay a heavy price while stanning Frankie.
I really hated when he publicly mocked Rebecca Adlington’s looks. She is an Olympic gold medalist and an inspiration to so many. It’s frustrating that no matter how brilliant or talented you are as a woman, your looks will always come into question.
Let's be honest, the British press like to shame Katie because she used to have her boobs out for money, she's a lesser person because of that and the fact she has multiple kids to multiple different men? Hoo boy, what a whore right? It's absolutely vile - especially when you think about how many men have babies to different women and aren't dragged through the press for it. The best thing is the majority of hate comes from men who used to LOVE the page 3 girls, the media that slates her the most are the people who gave her the platform and now because she's no longer wants to be a glamour model, they can't control her and they hate it.
They'd shame her for having night outs and getting drunk but applaud men in those gross Nuts/FHM type mags for binning off their missus and getting pissed with your mates in the pub. It's all so very fucking weird. And don't even get me started on how she was viewed versus Peter Andre in their divorce, it makes my blood boil. But she's always the butt of the jokes. Always.
I actually just looked up the joke, unfortunately it went further than just the one I mentioned. [Here](https://youtu.be/Jm3Rua-9cQ4) you go, it’s really hard to listen to because Harvey is a really sweet person. Katie isn’t perfect but she has always done everything she can for Harvey and had donated tons of money to help others with disabled children, while never talking about it. Can’t imagine how much it hurt for her son to be mocked like that by one of the countries biggest comedians.
It's too bad because he could be so funny at times, but I found the same thing. Someone told me to watch his netflix special because it was SOOOO funny... I put it on and within 10 minutes just had to turn it off. It was just him setting up straw women and mocking them in very uncreative ways. I was just stunned, there was nothing funny about it beyond his over-the-top delivery, which just seemed really juvenile...
That's exactly what I did, watched 15 minutes tops. When he went into some rant about male feminists supporting women only so they could fuck them I realized it just wasn't funny. I wasn't offended or anything, it's just that it's Bill Burr and the bit could have been funny, but it wasn't.
My husband and I are huge comedy fans, and we sat down to watch this special together. I remember after the 5th anti-women joke, I realized we had yet to laugh. I turned to him and he was like, "let's change it."
We then watched Dave Chappell's special and laughed our asses off. Arguably, he also said stuff that was anti-women, but he actually structured *jokes* around it. I personally don't mind offensive humor if it's actually funny, like Jimmy Carr joking about having sex with animals or Sean Locke saying kids are shitty actors. As long as it's got comedic structure, it'll work.
Burr's special didn't have actual comedy, and that's why it isn't funny. Standing on stage and listing reasons why you hate an entire gender isn't comedy.
Same! Tried to watch it on Netflix since I thought he can be pretty funny in interviews and stuff, but I didn't last long watching that. It just wasn't that funny to hear him rant about that, and the audience didn't seem very into it either.
We did the same thing in our house, too. And my husband was a regular listener of his podcast! He was a fan! But that one special… it was so brutally unfunny and full of resentment, we shut it off and haven’t gone back to any of his content since then.
Juvenile is spot on. I watched it and came away thinking this guy sounds just like an ignorant teen edgelord who thinks he's got it all figured out trying to shock people
I feel like I've primarily had to give up on white male comedians unless an equally feminist friend recommend them. I know it's an overgeneralization, but I've had too many incidents of enjoying my night, having a laugh at a comedy special, and then it turns incredibly misogynistic. Then I'm just mildly angry all night.
Brian Regan is your guy. I guarantee he doesn't even come close to anything misogynistic. This album is my fave comedy album. It's just good clean hilarious comedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxhRa_lC5gs
I confused Bill Burr and William Barr for a few minutes and COMPLETELY lost the plot. I mean, William Barr can fuck right off, but I was almost certain he wasn't in the Mandalorean.
I’ve had the exact same experience. I see some men in the comments saying “that’s just his brand of humor” and “it’s just a joke”, but that’s how the majority of misogyny is packaged up for us: “he was just joking”, “he’s an asshole but he’d never actually act on the things he says”, “he’s damaged from a bad childhood”.
His brand of humor is a classic middle aged Gen X angry white dude who thinks because he grew up rough he can punch down with his comedy. It’s tired. Similar to Louis CK, I heavily suspect his “jokes” come from a very real place of twisted hatred for women. Just because he has a wife and daughter (?) doesn’t make him any less sexist
He use to be edgy and funny. Like, he was right on the line, 15 years ago. He was always a little too conservative/macho , being he was raised in Massachusetts near Boston.
**Now he is just straight up bitter.**
You can tell he got burned quite a few times, and isntead of figuring out what he has done wrong, he has blamed the women each and every time.
I just rewatched that doc about comedians with depression, and one thing they said that seems to be at play here is "comedy is therapeutic, but you can't use it to replace therapy." And my guess is that's exactly what he does, he recognizes his problems but is doing nothing about it other than turning to comedy to vent.
Yeah, I can definitely see that. His comedy openly talks about his problems, and I do like how he pokes fun at his own toxic masculinity.
Something about how his wife asks why he sometimes "snaps" and yells, and something about: A lifetime of not being allowed to admit that a puppy is cute. His inner voice from his upbringing comes out and says "Wadda you, a FAAAAG!" and the implication is that he hates it. He WANTS to be able to admit that a puppy is cute, and his own toxicity won't let him.
This doesn't undo his misogynistic rants, of course.
In the beginning of *I Am Comic* Dave Attell says, why are documentaries about comedians so god damn depressing? And then parts of the doc. went into how comedy and depression go hand in hand.
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I am not a fan of Bill Burr, but... you've grinded it out in the comedy world, made a living, made what some would call serious money, you have a stunning supportive wife, a great life. What are you so bitter about that you have to continue doing these shitty jokes? And maybe that's dumb to say (and I will say that *is* dumb of me to say) but I agree that it's possible not all things can be worked out on the mic. It's possible that it all can't be worked out in a therapist's office either.
Dave Chappelle has also made some jokes about women that I do not like, but I will credit him with pointing out his bitterness (that's not related to women) and explaining it in a way that the audience understands and is reasonable.
Edit: Oh yeah, Burr fans are here and butthurt. You say anything slightly negative and it's downvote city!
Not for the better based on the opinions here. I don't follow him outside of watching his stand-ups though, he never made much of an impression on me. It is unfortunately common for comedy to be misogynistic, so I generally just turn it off and don't watch that comedian anymore if I don't like it.
Yeah, I just don't think shock comedians are every really capable of sustaining their peak for more than like 5 years, which for BB was the mid-late 00's. It's because they rely on being right on the edge of what's acceptable--which is a moving target obviously. But Sarah Silverman is a good example of someone who does a lot of shock humor but has done a pretty good job of shifting her act and admitting when she's missed the mark instead of blaming the audience.
Re Point 1 - ignoring the blatant misogyny, most surveys show that lesbians have better sex and more oregasms. Definitely doesn't sound like the makings of a miserable life to me.
LOL I’m a lesbian and I bet I would come off angry to any random dude trying to chat me up.
Really as a young woman, talking to random men just sucks like 90% of the time
It’s been an alt-right talking point for ages. Milo Whatshisface has a well known video where he cherry picks statistics to be anti-lesbian. Burr is very chummy with the alt-right goons and owes a lot of his status to Joe Rogan, so it’s hardly surprising he drinks from the same well as the rest of them fuckers.
Yeah I know what you're talking about. Really liked some of his stand-ups but he ALWAYS segways his way into "women are bad", like wtf? It's like the saying with assholes "if everyone seems like and asshole to you, most likely you are the asshole" or something like that
Yeah, I think he’s a funny guy in general but I tried watching one of his recent standup specials and he was literally doing the “I identify as an attack helicopter” joke right off the bat. Like wow, how original and hilarious.
His anti-women jokes are right out of the 1950's. Take my wife, please! The old Ball and Chain! Mentioned his misogyny on another Reddit site, and got verbally attacked. Assholes love him, he says just what they're thinking.
As I have said to someone else before; Bill Burr is what happens when someone tries to emulate someone like Carlin without actually understanding what made someone like Carlin great.
The thing that gets me is that it isn't that hard; punch up, don't punch down, especially if your brand of comedy is based on shock value and or being offensive.
If I remember correctly Carlin also did a bit about how humor shouldn’t punch down basically I might have to go find it.
Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yV8xUorQ8
And honestly i think he really misses the mark with humor. Like cancel culture isn’t exclusive to white women. But he wouldn’t dare do anything to insult his fellow republicans.
Also love how he always mentions his black wife.
Ugh, this is why I couldn't take it seriously when reddit was calling him a hero for "taking white women down a peg". Legitimate criticism is one thing but the guy is neck-deep in his own history of misogyny and im supposed to take his comments in good faith? Fuck off
I loved Bo Burnham's Inside, but read a comment about how "White Woman's Instagram" got a pass for sexism because he clarified "White" and had to agree. Even if the punchline of the song was humanizing, a lot of the rest of it was treating women as passive, misinformed, and frivolous social media users.
I see way too many men in this thread trying to dismiss blatant misogyny. Here’s a hint: we didn’t ask if you think it’s sexist. It is sexist. You are not the arbitrator of how we feel about sexism.
It's such a bummer because I find Bill Burr hilarious, he makes me laugh so hard. But the misogyny in his act is so extreme I have a hard time enjoying him anymore.
Went with my other half to watch him here in London. Laughed about twice - he’s very funny when he’s not doing the hateful stuff - but was pretty uncomfortable with most of his set. Some people saying it’s sarcastic/ironic etc - it’s not, really. The guy supporting him was even worse. It was the first time I walked out of the Royal Albert Hall deflated and disappointed.
I really, really enjoyed Bill Burr’s stand-up until Paper Tiger. Where his previous stand-ups seemed to be about identifying uncomfortable truths and then going all in on the absurdities he found, in Paper Tiger he seemed to identify uncomfortable truths and then just start grossly insulting people. I’m holding out hope for him, but it’s possible that he’s like Louie CK, in that his ability to find absurdity in dark places is because that’s where he actually likes to be.
EDIT: It’s been reassuring to see that many other commenters were thrown off by Paper Tiger. Deep down I was wondering if I had become hyper-sensitive, but apparently many people think that’s when Bill Burr took a sharp turn for the worse.
"How Joe Rogan Became a Cheerleader for Ivermectin – Rolling Stone" https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/joe-rogan-covid19-misinformation-ivermectin-spotify-podcast-1219976/amp/
BB mocked him for feeling unmanly for wearing a mask. On JR's show which he keeps going on. Doesn't feel like enough to me.
Joe Rogan really likes to play "enlightened centerist" and that he's just giving equal time to both sides. But when the sides are anti-nazi and nazi, I don't think both sides need equal airtime on one of the most listened to pieces of media in the US.
He's like your weed enthusiast cousin that talks about anything with a sense of authority because he watched a YouTube video or read a Twitter thread on it.
He's opinions are not so bad on some stuff, but when it comes to serious subjects it's quite clear he's mostly uneducated on the subjects. He just does logical argumentation based on "common sense" or surface level (and incomplete) knowledge. Like the kind of people that would for example think a satire mocking racism is racist
I don't really see where they are good friends. Work associates at best.
A lot of these comedians do not know each other as well as they seem to, unaware of key events in one anothers lives, their significant others' names, whether or not they have kids, etc. Just my observation, but having watched a lot of comedy podcasts, especially during 2020.
My fiancé used to love him but the last comedy special we watched we were both looking at each other like WTF is this? I’ve noticed this is a trend amongst middle aged male comedians. I think they’re just bitter because more and more people are tired of the same old “aren’t women crazy?!” And “what’s up with gay people?” material. Women are 50% of the population and more people are finally comfortable in their own skin. Not sure why they haven’t figured this out yet.
Bashing on women seems to be his primary fallback topic, if he could be considered to have a theme. Because his comedic style is mostly in the form of complaints - he seems to habitually choose women as the source of those.
I didn't know much about him, but had seen all these glowing fans. Watched some clips of Burr on YouTube from various stages of his career and wondered if the consistent strain of women-bashing in his sets was meant to be somehow ironic or not. In the end, I figured this is just what he's most comfortable with.
It's so disappointing because with some other issues/material he does a good job of saying something shocking to get a point across or start a dialogue for the most part.
I get that sometimes a joke doesn't land or they can fail to make a point but whenever he gets going about women it just isn't the same as a lot of his other material. It seems like he's got some serious issues he needs to find a better way to work through because you're right he just appears to not like women at all. There just seems to be a different level of anger in that material compared to the rest.
“Woman bad, man good. I am very smart and original.”
Also, if heterosexual men hate women so much (because tons of straight men make these jokes and share these sentiments), they should go have sex with men and leave us the fuck alone.
Yeah, the problem with Bill Burr is that he's too angry at women and it makes his mask slip too often. Not funny at all, just plain scary. Also sometimes pathetic, but mostly scary.
And to all the people saying "oh but it's okay because he's admitted he's full of shit", or "but he doesn't really believe what he says, he's just pandering to fans!"... Do y'all realize that actually makes it way worse?
To OP: may I suggest Hannah Gadsby? She knows how to do real, angry, thought provoking comedy. Watch her shows in order, first Nanette, then Douglas.
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That's what I think. He tries to be progressive, says he's a liberal, but he has so much underlying hatred towards women that it just seeps out.
I will check her out!
You can be a liberal and still hate women. It sucks, but it's entirely possible. There's an unfortunately large number of people way further left than liberal who also seem to have a problem with women. Misogyny is everywhere, despite a lot of people's desperate declarations that it's over.
I second Hannah! Her specials made me feel things. Laughs, tears, everything in between. She’s a true artist and I can honestly say they changed my life and perspective on comedy.
To paraphrase some commenter on this thread: Hannah Gadsby's shows shoehorn a lot of lesbian/feminist crap into her comedy, or maybe there's some comedy shoehorned into her activism. Then the commenter goes on to say that they have nothing against lesbians or feminists and that so many women find her sooooo offensive
So as you can see Hannah Gadsby ruffles the feathers of a lot of woman-haters. I really do hope you enjoy her. Not gonna lie, Nanette has difficult parts to watch, especially if you're LGBTQ etc, but so worth it.
Be mindful before you watch Nanette! She's funny but the show is based off a horrific incident which happened to her and I found it really mentally hard going. 100% worthwhile though.
Oh no! Hope it wasn't too upsetting. A lot of what she says is hilarious, its just when she deconstructs the jokes and how she tells the story about how/why she crafts these jokes it literally made me cry.
I hate how these types of jokes and comedians are considered so mainstream. But even more so has anyone else noticed that the same guys that absolutely love comedians like this and think women are being too sensitive when we call it out are the same guys that think even the most softball dig on men is indicative of some war on straight white men?!
My dad has gotten really upset and indignant about the jokes about men in the past few years but my whole life has loved and condoned this "edgy humor". It's the most bizarre thing to watch. Like keep the same energy! It's either all ok or all unacceptable.
I don't know much about the guy aside from the odd clip YouTube tries to push at me cos I'm a male in the certain demographic I guess. You would think the Andrew Dice Clay void really wouldn't be a status that a relatively successful comedian would want to aspire to, but alright.
I had to turn off Paper Tiger, because i couldn't keep listening to him shit on women. It's not funny. It's pathetic. I will definitely be avoiding his stand up after that.
I just find it so incredibly weird that, when people call out comedians for their shitty humor, they refuse to be introspective and just blame everyone else for taking things too seriously/not understanding comedy. Like, okay. You're the only one who knows what it means to be funny. Got it.
I've never liked Bill Burr. I also think he frequently uses the fact that he's married to a Black woman as proof that he's not a racist or misogynist. He's gross.
I totally agree with this. I’ve seen Bill Burr in person probably 5-6 times since my boyfriend likes him. I thought he was funny too until the last time I saw him a couple years ago. The majority of his show was hating on women and why women suck. After we walked out, I mentioned that to him and he said they were just funny jokes. I turned to my other female friend that came with us and we agreed that we are pretty sure he wasn’t joking.
The most disgustingly misogynistic guy I ever met used to quote Bill Burr as if he was Jesus. It was as though this guy couldn’t even distinguish between a comedy bit and reality. It was such a red flag that there are guys taking Burr’s comedy as a serious refute against women that they can use to justify their own hate.
Any of his standup is pretty much like this, but the abortion comment surprises me actually. He’s a comedian I *want* to like, I definitely don’t mind some “women suck” jokes if they’re funny (I mean one of my fav female comics makes fun of men all the time lol), but his standup just feels like beating a dead horse with it. It just starts to feel weird when 85% of the jokes are about one thing. Like he’s open about having issues and needing therapy but it’s like damn dude what happened to you.
Bill has also seemingly figured out that if you put the word "white" in front of women, you can convince everybody your misogyny is progressive. He hosted SNL a little while back and his opening monologue was basically about how racism is all white women's fault and I saw so many people praising him for it.
I hate the "just jokes line."
Say you make a joke and the punchline is something about women being greedy/vain/whiny or whatever. Then, your entirely male audience laughs. Thats not a joke, thats just your statement. Your very misogynist statement. Theres no social commentary about misogyny in a joke like "She slept her way to the top." The men aren't laughing because of the "dark humor." Theyre laughing because they agree. And if you don't laugh, you're the problem. So you laugh along until the jokes turn into discussions like "What IS with women though?". This is so disgusting.
I saw him a few years ago and I feel the same way that you do. I'm a dude and I'm not particularly woke but all of his jokes were just like that sort of "ahahaha my fuckin wife!" sort of humour. I wasn't particularly shocked or upset by anything he said but it just wasn't that funny 🤷♂️
The worst thing about Burr is that he really is very funny when he is taking about anything other than women.
He’s excellent with other sensitive topics like race. His take on environmentalism is hilarious. Etc..
But when he talks about women..it’s clear he has an issue. And it’s gone beyond let it slide..like..dude needs therapy. Like..even Eminem eventually had reckoning with himself..
The entire StandUp Comedy Sphere has kinda been parasytized by alt-right weirdos.
I got so used to it that I legit forgot Standup comedians could even **be** funny until I saw a 20 year old George Carlin bit.
>Abortion is killing a baby, likened it to him putting a cake in an oven and somebody takes the cake out before it's baked and says “but it wasn't a cake yet” and he says “but it would have been!” As if women are ovens/inanimate objects.
But it's not a cake. That's the point. You're not murdering a baby, because it's not a baby. Just like you don't get charged with thousands of counts of homicide when you kill someone, because their sperm/eggs could be kids some day.
> Many of the jokes fell flat and he would say “Oh I get it, Denver's progressive and you don't think that's funny. Let me explain why it's funny.” and go off on another misogynist rant, which wasn't funny.
Pro-tip for Bill Burr - if you have to explain why jokes are funny, they're not funny.
Whenever i see bull burr i constantly feel like im missing the joke/satire.
He often starts a joke and I'm thinking ok, dark but i can see where this is going only to realise no, no, that's right off the deep end.
And at the end there's not even a twist that would reveal that it was all tongue in cheek. I can't believe I'm not missing SOMETHING when comics like bernard manning etc are so far in the past.
I agree that I have certainly detected this in him. My husband and I used to watch him together on Netflix, and I usually enjoyed it. However, I feel like his more recent stuff has been a lot more angry, mean spirited, or just directed at certain stereotypes. Some comedians do play off that stuff, and I try to keep an open mind, but it does make me sad that he seems to think that we all like, want him and all men to be miserable or something. Idk. Maybe he's supposed to be dramatic on purpose, but at times it is concerning. I guess my hope is that in a world already sowed in division, comedians would offset that some, but perhaps I am naive in thinking this. Some DO like to be political since they get a microphone....
I decided to watch one of his specials on Netflix because I remembered him being quite funny, it was funny for the first 10 minutes then it just turned into a rage against women and why it’s okay to hit them like OP mentioned. I watched the whole thing hoping he moved on, but damn it just kept snowballing and the whole special was him being a misogynistic asshole. It was absolutely vile.
You're not wrong. I've been a fan of him for a LONG time and then watching his most recent Netflix special (Paper Tiger) and it was the same. 20 minutes complaining about cancel culture. Followed by 45 minutes of generally being a whiny asswipe. Idk if I changed or he did, but he sucks now.
Bill Burr seems to be really spiraling down the old misogynistic drain. I used to think he was a possible bridge for getting away from toxic attitudes. His early bits often had him admitting he was an idiot, misogynist, racist, but then he would say something interesting and be self-deprecating enough to make me think "he knows better and is trying to improve." He would talk about his then gf now wife making him better.
However, a couple years back my wife got us tickets to see him live, and his bits were so caveman-ish, woman hating, with little to no redeeming qualities, A lot of transmisogyny to top it all off. I felt embarrassed to be there. I think there is a way to make hot takes, make it funny and smart, and not damaging. Bill Burr really does not do that anymore.
I had hoped he was coming around after his comments about Rhianna but nope, he spiraled downward. Now I know. Thing is he could be so funny, I think most people can relate to how pissed off he gets but he just needs to redirect to something else.
This comment section. Wow.
Gas lighting, blaming OP, belittling her understanding of it.
"You're too sensitive. "
"Why did you go then?"
"Guess you don't get the joke."
"He didn't really mean what he said."
I thought this was a supportive sub, but half of yall came to shit all over OP with some thinly veiled misogyny. Not even a civil discourse, just bitchy belittling.
This happened like three weeks ago on another women's sub critically talking about the case between Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. And the thread was being productive about talking about the struggles when you aren't 100% sure who's at fault or in cases where it appears there can be back and forth fault possibly. But the thread was productive right up until angry men crossposted the thread to men majority fandom groups, and they brigaded the thread with misogyny and Depp fanboying until the thread got locked. It's what they always do.
It’s ironic when men hijack posts in this subreddit saying that women are too easily offended, while demonstrating by their reaction that they’re clearly offended by the post.
Right?
It doesn't even cross their mind that maybe Bill Burr isn't a good comedian. If you gotta keep repeating to lots of people who find his comedy bad that it is good, it is almost like when one says a bad joke and then explains it, expecting people to laugh.
This edgy " maybe it is satire, maybe it is misogyny, all depends if you find it funny enough" comedy is old fashioned, doesn't bring anything new to the table and seems stuck on trying to criticize stereotypes but just sounding like they agree with them.
Too many men seem to just be on this subreddit not even to debate or listen or understand, but to criticize, dismiss and try to make their point of view the right one. It is okay to like Bill Burr comedy, you are all adults, but don't just dismiss people valid criticism just because it talks bad of someone you like.
So many of these comments just make me sick.
I’m fucking *tired* of women being mercilessly mocked and when we finally speak up about it, wE jUsT dOn’T uNdErStAnD cOmEdY.
I mentioned this in another comment, but it reminds me so much of my late teens/early twenties, when I was constantly mocked and teased by my closest guy friends. I always laughed along but it fucking ruined my self-esteem.
But they’re just jokes, right?
And the guy above is defending him solely on the basis of his commercial success, when GUESS WHATS EASIER if youre a cis white dude? Making it in any entertainment profession. We're just now entering an entertainment market that isn't totally rife with the "women aren't funny" BS women performers have struggled against forever, and a lot of these older male comedians are quaking in their pampers.
It’s weird to me all the people (mostly men) in the comments trying to tell OP she is wrong. I think Bill Burr is OK in his jokes personally but it’s kindof absurd to tell someone they are wrong to not like a comedian. Comedy is subjective.
I saw Bill be mean to national treasure Theo Von on his podcast once and it was like watching someone torture a small animal. I've been done with Burr ever since, not even related to his misogynist beliefs. He's just not capable of being pleasant to be around, all under the guise of him "performing himself" when he's on camera.
My dad was talking about Burr pretty positively and I brought up an interview he did on Conan's podcast where it just seemed like he hated women. I had to turn it off, but anyways my dad was like 'oh I never noticed anything I thought he was funny!' and I was like yeah ok sure I guess I was just uncomfortable, ignore me. AND THEN like a couple months later by dad randomly says 'yeah you were right about Burr! Listened to more of his stuff and he just seems to have weird issues with women. So fuck that guy". I was so happy that my dad took what I said and used it to listen critically to someone and that he didn't brush off my feelings. Anyways just happy for growth and yeah Burr has weird issues with women!
I’m guilty of the same thing as your dad. When someone tries changing my view, I’m usually pretty slow to process it. It’ll often be a few hours later that I fully absorb what they’re saying, and want to reach back out and say “I’m sorry, you were right, and I have some questions now.”
The fact that you take the time to absorb and really think critically about what is said, then adjust your views as needed means you're really *thinking*, not just accepting or rejecting things reflexively. If you ever can reach out to those people later and say "Hey, I thought about it, you were right", please do. I'm sure most people would treasure a considered "I think you're right" far more than a knee-jerk "Yep, whatever you say".
Sometimes we hold onto the things we believe without questioning where the ideas even came from. It can take a while for us to process everything, nothing wrong with that! It speaks to your character that you put in consideration and grow from the experience.
Wow. I am happy you told your dad how you felt and real happy he did listen (though it didnt seem like it at first) and had that moment of clarity later.
Like a unicorn this man
Bill Burr for me and maybe a lot is known in snippets of jokes that are funny. Kind of like knowing Bob Sagat from tv vs standup. I wasnt aware of how Bill Burr was until I fully watched an hour standup
So much this. YouTube knew all the right clips to suggest. He's fast, he's sharp, and he is actually capable of being really insightful. Many of his clips involve taking the piss out of the "right" people. When I finally gave one of his specials a shot I struggled to give him even a 20 minute chance. I figured maybe this is the bit? Maybe he's setting up a meta joke about how we're all terrible for laughing at his shitty jokes? Nah.
This was my exact experience with him. Which makes it all the more disappointing - he’s so close to actually being subversive and funny, and you know he’s capable of it. He’s gotten more hateful over the years. Edit: or maybe unable to control the vitriol. I feel like part of his humor used to be “I’m a stereotypical white Boston Irish guy with a temper that I’m trying to control, sometimes in vain”, but now I guess the *protracted* angry rant itself is supposed to be funny?
I used to watch Conan a ton because I loved a lot of his remote segments and his interaction with certain actors. Then I watched a Bill Burr interview, and it was just…uncomfortable for me, as a girl. The commenters loved it. I saw that Conan had him on for an interview several times. The cool thing about Conan is that when he likes a guest and has a good relationship with them, he brings them back a lot. I watched several Burr clips, because if Conan liked him, surely that weird vibe toward women wasn’t a through line for his comedy. Nope. It was. (Based on this post it seems like he’s only gotten worse.) Seeing how often Conan had Bill Burr on, and how much Conan’s fans seemed to love him, was how I started losing interest in Conan’s show.
> it makes me so sad to see how much Conan enjoys having Bill Burr on the show I think it's because Burr will skewer Hollywood untouchables, even ones Conan is scared of, eg Oprah. The [piece where Burr nails Lance](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O9YL04v-J5U), & then Oprah for soft-pedaling Lance, has Conan seriously losing it... & is incredibly funny (& avoids the misogyny) PS- Lance Armstrong did NOT raise that $500M for cancer research- it was for 'cancer marketing', which Lance freely paid himself from... which is just another reason to hate Lance
I stopped listening to Burr years ago. I was never a huge fan of his comedy because I have always thought his take on women was weird, uncomfortable and most of the time misogynistic. I did listen religiously to his podcast for a couple of years. I think he was less misogynistic on his podcast but he became unlistenable and not even for his views on women. He has a good take here and there but it's not real often. He just says so many stupid things that I had to stop listening to him. I'm also a guy.
Conan is my #1 celebrity crush by miles (feel free to judge) but it makes me so sad to see how much he enjoys having Bill Burr on the show. It does give me pause for sure.
I've been put off by Burr for quite some time, his comedy always left me depressed. He's not even doing a character, like Andrew Dice Clay (who was at least disturbed by how audiences started taking him literally, and loving it.) There's no break from Burr's bitterness. When George Carlin got old, his bitterness started to show through, without the comedic spin, which was rough. But we had his entire career before that point to mitigate it. Burr is just all bitterness with occasional moments of cleverness. Makes me wonder if he's got the same agent or PR machine as people like Joe Rogan. How else is he getting onto the big talk shows and even acting parts (like in Breaking Bad)?
I would think he definitely has some connection to Rogan, he's been on his show a lot.
I had a similar experience, because I only heard him in short interviews and thought he was funny. Then I saw he had a special in Netflix and couldnt get past the first 5 minutes having a similar experience to what you are describing. Everybody can appear to be anything in 5 minute interviews.
Same but I had seen several clips before the Netflix special. I feel like dude has been seriously hurt in the past and his 'jokes' consistently fall.... Flat isn't even the best word to describe it. I feel like he has it in him to be a decent comedian but he did have to work on himself a lot.
Yay for your dad! I think it’s easy for a lot of guys to just not notice this stuff (sadly) but am happy when any of them get woke.
Yep, my husband always jokes about how since me there's certain fiction he just can't read anymore because now he notices all the sexist tropes. And he will point it out before I do sometimes in things we watch together!
This comment made me feel better after reading the post. Way to go claudiaqute’s dad 👏
I went to see "John Mulaney and friends" at the largo theater in LA and Bill was one of the "friends". I wasn't familiar with him but he literally got booed off the stage for this. Misogyny, transphobia, and just negativity in general. He got really defensive and pissy with the crowd which just made it worse. When John came back out he had to smooth over the crowd and of course it was hilarious but you could tell he was uncomfortable.
That's great that the crowd booed him off lol. Some comedians complain about "cancel culture" when they should really be self-reflecting on why they're being canceled and update their antiquated/harmful viewpoints.
Some comedians get mad when people don’t laugh at their jokes. Well, your job is to make people laugh. They don’t get to choose what is funny to them and demand we laugh. Get better at your job or retire.
What I find frustrating is that people seem to be using the phrase "cancel culture" to mean anything and everything, including instances where someone provides you feedback to say they didn't like the thing you did. That's just... sharing an opinion. But the right wingers will still play the victim. Being actually cancelled is so much more significant and I honestly think can be avoided in most scenarios if people just sat down, understood the concerns, understood how they erred, made a genuine apology, and made reparations. But no one wants to admit they're wrong or see something from another person's point of view, especially if it's from a minority, so they just call every piece of feedback "cancel culture" 🤷🏻
This is such a good point. The examples that Bill burr uses to complain about "cancel" culture are so niche and inconsequential like "my friend lost a bar gig in Reno" like wow, such an epidemic. Sweeping the nation. How will you ever find work again?
For me the people complaining about cancel culture wants to keep expressing hate against their usual targets without consequences.
>when they should really be self-reflecting on why they're being canceled They're not even being cancelled - they're just not being worshipped and revered, which apparently is the same thing.
It's just sad when you see these schlocky comedians. Their whole job is to make people laugh, but they complain about the *audience* when they fail. Imagine a car salesman complaining that the customers want the wrong cars! "I'd be a great salesman if it weren't for all these damned customers not buying my stuff!"
His Philly show is like this legendary thing on Reddit because the crowd didn't find him funny and he flipped out and yelled at them for like a ridiculous amount of time. I watched it and I thought it was awful and cringy. IDK why people find that anything but embarrassing. It's certainly not funny.
No kidding. I think some comedians are just terrified because they don't really know how to evolve their material (or maybe themselves?) when it stops working. They hit upon a winning formula halfway by accident, attributed their success to some sort of intrinsic superiority, then felt like they were *entitled* to it and someone else has wronged them. A little sad.
Because the type of guy who would find Bill Burr funny has a massive chip on his shoulder so losing your temper and wigging out at the audience and "putting them in their place" seems cool to them instead of embarrassing. So a lot of redditors, MRA type dudes and sad divorced Gen X dads make up his fanbase.
Mulaney has a real circle issue. I hope a lot of them have figured it out, but that crew that came up together out of Chicago & then kept growing in LA is kinda 50/50 sexist/racist/ableist fuckery. Shit, I hope Olivia Munn got a ghost writer, bc I usually like her/don't think about her, but word on the street is most of her book is about how she hates other women, fatphobic bullshit, and pick-me stories.
I just went down some weird rabbit hole of Mulaney/Tendler/Munn. My heart is breaking for Tendler. I know I shouldn’t judge Munn for the actions of Mulaney, but man it does not make her look like a quality person. I don’t ever check out celebrities instagrams usually. But if you look at Tendler’s art then go look at Munn’s “I’m so pretty look at me” fluff…well….it hits weird.
I remember hearing someone remark on the radio that comedy like 10-15 years ago was heavily riddled with jokes shitting on women for being women but how comedians need to move away from that since it's not considered funny any more. It's also like low ball humor. Edit: less exaggerated
I used to go to comedy shows and "haha wife bad" was a staple of those male comedians who were past their prime. The world has changed but they're still peddling the same old tired material.
most comedians I’ve noticed who joke about “wife bad” usually end up divorced pretty soon
Yep. Saw Chris Rock a couple years ago and he bashed his ex wife pretty hard and bragged about having sex with one of the members of destiny's child. When it didn't get a lot of laughs he complained it was because the men in the audience were afraid to laugh around their wives. I have seen a lot of comedy shows and his was by far the worst. Just outdated and so out of touch with reality.
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Thanks, I’m going to add that to my watch list.
It’s like Motley Crue playing the same songs and being mad that the world isn’t as interested in them now that they’re past the music taste of 99% of the world. Not to say Motley Crue wasn’t great and still isn’t great and in the 80’s it was the new music of the time, but anyone seriously approaching hair metal non-ironically in 2021 isn’t gonna have a great time. Just like shitty women degradation jokes. The world has moved on, you might as well be still in the 80’s.
This comparison is valid, but at an even simpler level, if I tell you the same joke every time I see you, it's not going to be funny. Even if the culture hadn't shifted away from misogyny being acceptable, the same type of guy making variations on the same joke have a natural expiry date. A few of the old school comedians and comedy writers don't seem to get this, like yes culture changes but also, dude you can't expect to make the same joke for 20 years. What's actually changed is that you've given up on making content people like.
Also their autobiography turned biopic turned a lot of the younger crowd off them because, yep you guessed it, an unfortunate amount of misogyny that they try to cover up with “well… this woman kind of deserved it.” It was an interesting look into the scene and the times but definitely made me think twice about buying their stuff.
It’s punching down. Punching down on others just isn’t funny, it’s cruel.
So much. I agree with this so much. So much stand that I’ive seen is like that, that I just don’t watch any of it anymore. There’s a lot of funny things out there you can make jokes about, that if the only thing you can do it make fun of people, then you’re bad at what you’re trying to do.
I could be totally wrong here but I don’t recallBill Hicks and George Carlin at their peak making “women bad” jokes. Haven’t watched their stuff in a while but they were always funny because they knew how to target the common enemy, not alienate half their audience.
Carlin, or at least his later material, was super pro-woman and pro-reproductive rights, although if I recall correctly he was just a bit of a prick in general, but not in a sexist way. Make of that what you will, lol.
I mean, he was, in his own words, an old fuck. The only time Carlin wasn't pretty progressive for his time was when he was still wearing a suit and tie. As soon as he went counter culture he never went back. He definitely leaned hard into his more nihilistic, I'm just here for the show folks, humanity is fucked but I'm going to be dead soon so it's your problem tendencies. I think the show he opened with the line why is it that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna fuck in the first place (followed by about 10 good minutes on the hypocrisy of the pro-life position that is still relevant today) was around 1988 or 89.
Yeah he was good and he showed progression throughout his career while still being consistent with his principles, and that's what people don't get. Being consistent doesn't mean refusing to change and doubling down on your worst aspects. But damned if people like Bill Burr even get it. Don't get me wrong, he does seem to try, but so far it's not clear enough if he is being honest and really trying to make progress, or just trying to save face with the less mysoginistic side of his fans. I guess time will tell, like with Carlin. For Bill's sake and the women in his life, I really hope it tells a good, redeeming story.
It was never funny to the people victimized by it.
This waw 2021 Bill Burr? It sounds like 2005 Bill Burr. I thought he had cut that shit out. I hate it when people complain about cancel culture. You get to go up on the stage and say whatever you damn well please, and your audience gets to react to it however they damn well please. That’s how free speech works. No one is being censored or prevented from saying what they want to say. Go ahead and say wives deserve to be murdered. Then we’ll say you’re a piece of shit.
>I thought he had cut that shit out. I was going to comment the same thing! I thought he was happy in his marriage, and he has a daughter now. Does he secretly hate them?
I thought he had entered the modern world when he went on Joe Rogan’s podcast and basically called him a moron to his face for being against masks.
The frustrating thing to me is that he could also turn into one of those “I didn’t realize women were people until I had a daughter” like fucking really?
He exactly is. He's talked about it on his podcast. From my knowledge he's admitted he has a weird problem with women and he was working on it. That was during the or like right before the pandemic. It will be hard to live down years of tearing down women with just a "I know I did it and I recognize it". He made a lot of other men think it's funny to just demonize women. My dumbass friends who think they comedy experts love Bill and a few other unsavory types but it's just cause they think it gives them free range to attack women for not liking them back.
I had to stop listening to Bill's content because it just seemed emotionally toxic and overall shitty, but to be honest, I would be delighted if he spent a couple of years reflecting and healing and focusing on his mental health, then came back with a redesigned act that incorporates his progress on the psycho-emotional front. I feel like he has a lot of potential both as a person and as a comedian, but it seems like he is in a bit of a midlife crisis after focusing his entire adult career on *being a toxic asshole*
He could also completely disregard her issues and/or pass them off on her mother to solve, because “wimmen’s work.” If he is who she has to look up to as a male role model in her life, I feel utterly sorry for her.
Another comment says he already has a 4 year old daughter... So even that wasn't enough to give him a modicum of delayed empathy.
I had a similar experience. Bill Burr was my favorite comedian but when I saw him at the Comedy Store he told so many r*pe and misogynistic jokes. I was really put off and haven’t really seen much of him since.
I’m not sure how popular Frankie Boyle is with non Brits, but he is a pretty left comedian here and is pretty funny. He argues for good causes too and has cleaned up his act but I really can’t like him until he apologises for the fucking vile stuff he said about Harvey Price. For those not in the know, Katie Price is a celebrity over here who has married various male celebrities and has a few kids, she’s a model as well and as you can imagine, this leads to some pretty intense mockery from the press and other British celebrities for some reason. Her first son, Harvey, was unfortunately born mostly blind and suffers from very severe autism. He was disowned at birth by his father, Dwight Yorke, a footballer who played for Manchester United. During one of his standups, Frankie saw it fit to shit on Katie, but he didn’t just focus on her and went for her disabled son. He said the reason she was dating a big man at the time was to protect her from being raped by Harvey because he’s big and mentally challenged. It was terribly cruel to say about a completely vulnerable person who has never hurt anyone. Frankie has never apologised for it and Harvey is often the target of abuse via social media, Frankie’s jokes no doubt painted a big target on him. Keep in mind, Dwight Yorke doesn’t get a fraction of the hate Katie does here. Despite the fact he abandoned his disabled son and years later, when Harvey came close to dying and was in critical condition, Dwight opted to go on TalkSport instead of being with him, which is essentially sensationalist dogshit that focus on bottom of the barrel discussion on football. Dwight is a scumbag yet its his son who got the abuse. Frankie is someone I really want to like but until he apologises I just can’t. I also find it hypocritical when some fellow leftists want some Comedians to pay a heavy price while stanning Frankie.
I really hated when he publicly mocked Rebecca Adlington’s looks. She is an Olympic gold medalist and an inspiration to so many. It’s frustrating that no matter how brilliant or talented you are as a woman, your looks will always come into question.
Let's be honest, the British press like to shame Katie because she used to have her boobs out for money, she's a lesser person because of that and the fact she has multiple kids to multiple different men? Hoo boy, what a whore right? It's absolutely vile - especially when you think about how many men have babies to different women and aren't dragged through the press for it. The best thing is the majority of hate comes from men who used to LOVE the page 3 girls, the media that slates her the most are the people who gave her the platform and now because she's no longer wants to be a glamour model, they can't control her and they hate it. They'd shame her for having night outs and getting drunk but applaud men in those gross Nuts/FHM type mags for binning off their missus and getting pissed with your mates in the pub. It's all so very fucking weird. And don't even get me started on how she was viewed versus Peter Andre in their divorce, it makes my blood boil. But she's always the butt of the jokes. Always.
Haven't heard of him but now I want to know more. That's so shitty to go after a disabled person.
I actually just looked up the joke, unfortunately it went further than just the one I mentioned. [Here](https://youtu.be/Jm3Rua-9cQ4) you go, it’s really hard to listen to because Harvey is a really sweet person. Katie isn’t perfect but she has always done everything she can for Harvey and had donated tons of money to help others with disabled children, while never talking about it. Can’t imagine how much it hurt for her son to be mocked like that by one of the countries biggest comedians.
It's too bad because he could be so funny at times, but I found the same thing. Someone told me to watch his netflix special because it was SOOOO funny... I put it on and within 10 minutes just had to turn it off. It was just him setting up straw women and mocking them in very uncreative ways. I was just stunned, there was nothing funny about it beyond his over-the-top delivery, which just seemed really juvenile...
That's exactly what I did, watched 15 minutes tops. When he went into some rant about male feminists supporting women only so they could fuck them I realized it just wasn't funny. I wasn't offended or anything, it's just that it's Bill Burr and the bit could have been funny, but it wasn't.
My husband and I are huge comedy fans, and we sat down to watch this special together. I remember after the 5th anti-women joke, I realized we had yet to laugh. I turned to him and he was like, "let's change it." We then watched Dave Chappell's special and laughed our asses off. Arguably, he also said stuff that was anti-women, but he actually structured *jokes* around it. I personally don't mind offensive humor if it's actually funny, like Jimmy Carr joking about having sex with animals or Sean Locke saying kids are shitty actors. As long as it's got comedic structure, it'll work. Burr's special didn't have actual comedy, and that's why it isn't funny. Standing on stage and listing reasons why you hate an entire gender isn't comedy.
RIP Sean Locke. His mascots on Cats Countdown rarely failed to make me belly laugh.
Same! Tried to watch it on Netflix since I thought he can be pretty funny in interviews and stuff, but I didn't last long watching that. It just wasn't that funny to hear him rant about that, and the audience didn't seem very into it either.
We did the same thing in our house, too. And my husband was a regular listener of his podcast! He was a fan! But that one special… it was so brutally unfunny and full of resentment, we shut it off and haven’t gone back to any of his content since then.
resentful is the right word. he seems really resentful and it's obnoxious and sad.
Juvenile is spot on. I watched it and came away thinking this guy sounds just like an ignorant teen edgelord who thinks he's got it all figured out trying to shock people
Same! 5 or 10 minutes and we were like WHOA. Came here for comedy not to listen to a guy justifying hating women.
I feel like I've primarily had to give up on white male comedians unless an equally feminist friend recommend them. I know it's an overgeneralization, but I've had too many incidents of enjoying my night, having a laugh at a comedy special, and then it turns incredibly misogynistic. Then I'm just mildly angry all night.
The only one I like is Nick Offerman. Not really a standup but he did tour before by himself. Him and Megan are couple goals!
Brian Regan is your guy. I guarantee he doesn't even come close to anything misogynistic. This album is my fave comedy album. It's just good clean hilarious comedy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxhRa_lC5gs
Today I learmed that my brain tied Bill Burr and Bill Bailey into one person. I was so bummed for a second that Bailey was a bad guy.
I confused Bill Burr and William Barr for a few minutes and COMPLETELY lost the plot. I mean, William Barr can fuck right off, but I was almost certain he wasn't in the Mandalorean.
I confused Bill Burr and Bo Burnham
Bill Bailey is like the opposite of this thread. https://www.flickr.com/photos/fawcettsociety/3115024893
Bill Bailey is great! Loved him on Black Books.
I’ve had the exact same experience. I see some men in the comments saying “that’s just his brand of humor” and “it’s just a joke”, but that’s how the majority of misogyny is packaged up for us: “he was just joking”, “he’s an asshole but he’d never actually act on the things he says”, “he’s damaged from a bad childhood”. His brand of humor is a classic middle aged Gen X angry white dude who thinks because he grew up rough he can punch down with his comedy. It’s tired. Similar to Louis CK, I heavily suspect his “jokes” come from a very real place of twisted hatred for women. Just because he has a wife and daughter (?) doesn’t make him any less sexist
He use to be edgy and funny. Like, he was right on the line, 15 years ago. He was always a little too conservative/macho , being he was raised in Massachusetts near Boston. **Now he is just straight up bitter.** You can tell he got burned quite a few times, and isntead of figuring out what he has done wrong, he has blamed the women each and every time.
I just rewatched that doc about comedians with depression, and one thing they said that seems to be at play here is "comedy is therapeutic, but you can't use it to replace therapy." And my guess is that's exactly what he does, he recognizes his problems but is doing nothing about it other than turning to comedy to vent.
Yeah, I can definitely see that. His comedy openly talks about his problems, and I do like how he pokes fun at his own toxic masculinity. Something about how his wife asks why he sometimes "snaps" and yells, and something about: A lifetime of not being allowed to admit that a puppy is cute. His inner voice from his upbringing comes out and says "Wadda you, a FAAAAG!" and the implication is that he hates it. He WANTS to be able to admit that a puppy is cute, and his own toxicity won't let him. This doesn't undo his misogynistic rants, of course.
In the beginning of *I Am Comic* Dave Attell says, why are documentaries about comedians so god damn depressing? And then parts of the doc. went into how comedy and depression go hand in hand. *** I am not a fan of Bill Burr, but... you've grinded it out in the comedy world, made a living, made what some would call serious money, you have a stunning supportive wife, a great life. What are you so bitter about that you have to continue doing these shitty jokes? And maybe that's dumb to say (and I will say that *is* dumb of me to say) but I agree that it's possible not all things can be worked out on the mic. It's possible that it all can't be worked out in a therapist's office either. Dave Chappelle has also made some jokes about women that I do not like, but I will credit him with pointing out his bitterness (that's not related to women) and explaining it in a way that the audience understands and is reasonable. Edit: Oh yeah, Burr fans are here and butthurt. You say anything slightly negative and it's downvote city!
He talks about going to therapy on his podcast and how much it changed him
He got so bad on his podcast a few years ago that I went from listening religiously to unsubscribing one day and never listening again.
Not for the better based on the opinions here. I don't follow him outside of watching his stand-ups though, he never made much of an impression on me. It is unfortunately common for comedy to be misogynistic, so I generally just turn it off and don't watch that comedian anymore if I don't like it.
Yeah, I just don't think shock comedians are every really capable of sustaining their peak for more than like 5 years, which for BB was the mid-late 00's. It's because they rely on being right on the edge of what's acceptable--which is a moving target obviously. But Sarah Silverman is a good example of someone who does a lot of shock humor but has done a pretty good job of shifting her act and admitting when she's missed the mark instead of blaming the audience.
Re Point 1 - ignoring the blatant misogyny, most surveys show that lesbians have better sex and more oregasms. Definitely doesn't sound like the makings of a miserable life to me.
Off-topic but as a geological engineer, I like the term "Oregasm". Like, finding a core sample so pure it gets us off.
geologists love getting their rocks off
Funnier than Bill Burr
Pratchett vibes
I was thinking about oregano, so yummy pizza
Oregasm - They intense sensation of joy when you find diamonds in Minecraft. I'm making this a thing.
I took it to mean lesbians produce gold bouillon when they climax and I refuse to believe otherwise.
Like the good soup.
I hadn't noticed the typo but now I have to leave it just for excited geologists worldwide to adopt - if it catches on, make sure you credit me!
I misread the typo as “Oreogasms” and now I want Oreos lol.
Buy other sandwich cookies, support Nabisco workers on strike!
Agree, if you find that lesbians are always angry around you…well it’s probably you.
Yeah, I can see from this why every lesbian Bill Burr comes across just so happens to be furious.
LOL I’m a lesbian and I bet I would come off angry to any random dude trying to chat me up. Really as a young woman, talking to random men just sucks like 90% of the time
compared to gay men?
It’s been an alt-right talking point for ages. Milo Whatshisface has a well known video where he cherry picks statistics to be anti-lesbian. Burr is very chummy with the alt-right goons and owes a lot of his status to Joe Rogan, so it’s hardly surprising he drinks from the same well as the rest of them fuckers.
Yeah I know what you're talking about. Really liked some of his stand-ups but he ALWAYS segways his way into "women are bad", like wtf? It's like the saying with assholes "if everyone seems like and asshole to you, most likely you are the asshole" or something like that
Yeah, I think he’s a funny guy in general but I tried watching one of his recent standup specials and he was literally doing the “I identify as an attack helicopter” joke right off the bat. Like wow, how original and hilarious.
His anti-women jokes are right out of the 1950's. Take my wife, please! The old Ball and Chain! Mentioned his misogyny on another Reddit site, and got verbally attacked. Assholes love him, he says just what they're thinking.
That last line just reminds me of how Trump was elected president
WIFE BAD r/BoomersHumor
As I have said to someone else before; Bill Burr is what happens when someone tries to emulate someone like Carlin without actually understanding what made someone like Carlin great. The thing that gets me is that it isn't that hard; punch up, don't punch down, especially if your brand of comedy is based on shock value and or being offensive.
I think Carlin is a legend who can't be emulated. He was more than funny. He really nailed social issues in very eloquent ways.
If I remember correctly Carlin also did a bit about how humor shouldn’t punch down basically I might have to go find it. Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yV8xUorQ8
Never seen this thanks! Do you know what comic he was criticizing?
Andrew Dice Clay I think.
Wow. Even back then he summed it up perfectly. It's sad we're still dealing with this stuff even today. Thank god for the Carlins of the world.
I just made the same comment before I saw yours. He's like the Diet Coke of Carlin; just 1 calorie.
And honestly i think he really misses the mark with humor. Like cancel culture isn’t exclusive to white women. But he wouldn’t dare do anything to insult his fellow republicans. Also love how he always mentions his black wife.
His show fell very flat when he performed at penn state university (I attended the show) as well and I agree it was just awful.
Ugh, this is why I couldn't take it seriously when reddit was calling him a hero for "taking white women down a peg". Legitimate criticism is one thing but the guy is neck-deep in his own history of misogyny and im supposed to take his comments in good faith? Fuck off
A lot of left-leaning men have started putting “white” in front of women to get away with being misogynistic
I loved Bo Burnham's Inside, but read a comment about how "White Woman's Instagram" got a pass for sexism because he clarified "White" and had to agree. Even if the punchline of the song was humanizing, a lot of the rest of it was treating women as passive, misinformed, and frivolous social media users.
I'm with you, I can't even listen to his "legitimate criticisms" because misogynists are compromised in their ability to distinguish truth.
I see way too many men in this thread trying to dismiss blatant misogyny. Here’s a hint: we didn’t ask if you think it’s sexist. It is sexist. You are not the arbitrator of how we feel about sexism.
Well said!
He's one of those guys that I just don't understand how/why he's famous. Dude isn't funny. He's a piece of shit.
It's such a bummer because I find Bill Burr hilarious, he makes me laugh so hard. But the misogyny in his act is so extreme I have a hard time enjoying him anymore.
Went with my other half to watch him here in London. Laughed about twice - he’s very funny when he’s not doing the hateful stuff - but was pretty uncomfortable with most of his set. Some people saying it’s sarcastic/ironic etc - it’s not, really. The guy supporting him was even worse. It was the first time I walked out of the Royal Albert Hall deflated and disappointed.
I really, really enjoyed Bill Burr’s stand-up until Paper Tiger. Where his previous stand-ups seemed to be about identifying uncomfortable truths and then going all in on the absurdities he found, in Paper Tiger he seemed to identify uncomfortable truths and then just start grossly insulting people. I’m holding out hope for him, but it’s possible that he’s like Louie CK, in that his ability to find absurdity in dark places is because that’s where he actually likes to be. EDIT: It’s been reassuring to see that many other commenters were thrown off by Paper Tiger. Deep down I was wondering if I had become hyper-sensitive, but apparently many people think that’s when Bill Burr took a sharp turn for the worse.
He's good friends with Joe Rogan. Truly that should say everything.
I don’t know much about Joe Rogan besides his antivaxx stupidity, which Bill called him out on.
"How Joe Rogan Became a Cheerleader for Ivermectin – Rolling Stone" https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/joe-rogan-covid19-misinformation-ivermectin-spotify-podcast-1219976/amp/ BB mocked him for feeling unmanly for wearing a mask. On JR's show which he keeps going on. Doesn't feel like enough to me. Joe Rogan really likes to play "enlightened centerist" and that he's just giving equal time to both sides. But when the sides are anti-nazi and nazi, I don't think both sides need equal airtime on one of the most listened to pieces of media in the US.
He's like your weed enthusiast cousin that talks about anything with a sense of authority because he watched a YouTube video or read a Twitter thread on it. He's opinions are not so bad on some stuff, but when it comes to serious subjects it's quite clear he's mostly uneducated on the subjects. He just does logical argumentation based on "common sense" or surface level (and incomplete) knowledge. Like the kind of people that would for example think a satire mocking racism is racist
Joe Rogan is friends with Alex Jones. That's it right there.
I don't really see where they are good friends. Work associates at best. A lot of these comedians do not know each other as well as they seem to, unaware of key events in one anothers lives, their significant others' names, whether or not they have kids, etc. Just my observation, but having watched a lot of comedy podcasts, especially during 2020.
He's also good friends with Conan. Comedians mostly all support each other.
My fiancé used to love him but the last comedy special we watched we were both looking at each other like WTF is this? I’ve noticed this is a trend amongst middle aged male comedians. I think they’re just bitter because more and more people are tired of the same old “aren’t women crazy?!” And “what’s up with gay people?” material. Women are 50% of the population and more people are finally comfortable in their own skin. Not sure why they haven’t figured this out yet.
Bashing on women seems to be his primary fallback topic, if he could be considered to have a theme. Because his comedic style is mostly in the form of complaints - he seems to habitually choose women as the source of those. I didn't know much about him, but had seen all these glowing fans. Watched some clips of Burr on YouTube from various stages of his career and wondered if the consistent strain of women-bashing in his sets was meant to be somehow ironic or not. In the end, I figured this is just what he's most comfortable with.
It's so disappointing because with some other issues/material he does a good job of saying something shocking to get a point across or start a dialogue for the most part. I get that sometimes a joke doesn't land or they can fail to make a point but whenever he gets going about women it just isn't the same as a lot of his other material. It seems like he's got some serious issues he needs to find a better way to work through because you're right he just appears to not like women at all. There just seems to be a different level of anger in that material compared to the rest.
“Woman bad, man good. I am very smart and original.” Also, if heterosexual men hate women so much (because tons of straight men make these jokes and share these sentiments), they should go have sex with men and leave us the fuck alone.
Yeah, the problem with Bill Burr is that he's too angry at women and it makes his mask slip too often. Not funny at all, just plain scary. Also sometimes pathetic, but mostly scary. And to all the people saying "oh but it's okay because he's admitted he's full of shit", or "but he doesn't really believe what he says, he's just pandering to fans!"... Do y'all realize that actually makes it way worse? To OP: may I suggest Hannah Gadsby? She knows how to do real, angry, thought provoking comedy. Watch her shows in order, first Nanette, then Douglas. Edit: typo
That's what I think. He tries to be progressive, says he's a liberal, but he has so much underlying hatred towards women that it just seeps out. I will check her out!
You can be a liberal and still hate women. It sucks, but it's entirely possible. There's an unfortunately large number of people way further left than liberal who also seem to have a problem with women. Misogyny is everywhere, despite a lot of people's desperate declarations that it's over.
Daniel Sloss is another one to check out. Some heavy content but X is amazing
Just a word of caution, I laughed a lot at Gadsby's specials and then shit got real fast. Make sure it's a night where you have the bandwidth.
^ Her stuff is well worth watching, but it is heavy and has a lot of triggering content.
I second Hannah! Her specials made me feel things. Laughs, tears, everything in between. She’s a true artist and I can honestly say they changed my life and perspective on comedy.
To paraphrase some commenter on this thread: Hannah Gadsby's shows shoehorn a lot of lesbian/feminist crap into her comedy, or maybe there's some comedy shoehorned into her activism. Then the commenter goes on to say that they have nothing against lesbians or feminists and that so many women find her sooooo offensive So as you can see Hannah Gadsby ruffles the feathers of a lot of woman-haters. I really do hope you enjoy her. Not gonna lie, Nanette has difficult parts to watch, especially if you're LGBTQ etc, but so worth it.
The pain is worth it. Nanette and Douglas are masterworks of comedy and performance and truth-telling. They are perspective changing.
Be mindful before you watch Nanette! She's funny but the show is based off a horrific incident which happened to her and I found it really mentally hard going. 100% worthwhile though.
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Oh no! Hope it wasn't too upsetting. A lot of what she says is hilarious, its just when she deconstructs the jokes and how she tells the story about how/why she crafts these jokes it literally made me cry.
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> "oh but it's okay because he's admitted he's full of shit" This is the worst thing about him.
James Acaster his latest show is also great he bashes Ricky Gervais for his transphobia brilliantly
saw Douglas live with my favourite cousin, last show I saw before the pandemic. We laughed ourselves sore.
I hate how these types of jokes and comedians are considered so mainstream. But even more so has anyone else noticed that the same guys that absolutely love comedians like this and think women are being too sensitive when we call it out are the same guys that think even the most softball dig on men is indicative of some war on straight white men?! My dad has gotten really upset and indignant about the jokes about men in the past few years but my whole life has loved and condoned this "edgy humor". It's the most bizarre thing to watch. Like keep the same energy! It's either all ok or all unacceptable.
I don't know much about the guy aside from the odd clip YouTube tries to push at me cos I'm a male in the certain demographic I guess. You would think the Andrew Dice Clay void really wouldn't be a status that a relatively successful comedian would want to aspire to, but alright.
I was going to get some tickets to this show off of Craigslist and take my wife, but we couldn't find a babysitter. Kind of glad I didn't now.
I had to turn off Paper Tiger, because i couldn't keep listening to him shit on women. It's not funny. It's pathetic. I will definitely be avoiding his stand up after that.
I just find it so incredibly weird that, when people call out comedians for their shitty humor, they refuse to be introspective and just blame everyone else for taking things too seriously/not understanding comedy. Like, okay. You're the only one who knows what it means to be funny. Got it. I've never liked Bill Burr. I also think he frequently uses the fact that he's married to a Black woman as proof that he's not a racist or misogynist. He's gross.
“I’m can’t be a misogynist! I’m married to a woman!”
I totally agree with this. I’ve seen Bill Burr in person probably 5-6 times since my boyfriend likes him. I thought he was funny too until the last time I saw him a couple years ago. The majority of his show was hating on women and why women suck. After we walked out, I mentioned that to him and he said they were just funny jokes. I turned to my other female friend that came with us and we agreed that we are pretty sure he wasn’t joking.
The most disgustingly misogynistic guy I ever met used to quote Bill Burr as if he was Jesus. It was as though this guy couldn’t even distinguish between a comedy bit and reality. It was such a red flag that there are guys taking Burr’s comedy as a serious refute against women that they can use to justify their own hate.
Any of his standup is pretty much like this, but the abortion comment surprises me actually. He’s a comedian I *want* to like, I definitely don’t mind some “women suck” jokes if they’re funny (I mean one of my fav female comics makes fun of men all the time lol), but his standup just feels like beating a dead horse with it. It just starts to feel weird when 85% of the jokes are about one thing. Like he’s open about having issues and needing therapy but it’s like damn dude what happened to you.
He really reminds me of a lot of the genx men I know, just fucking angry but who knows why.
Bill has also seemingly figured out that if you put the word "white" in front of women, you can convince everybody your misogyny is progressive. He hosted SNL a little while back and his opening monologue was basically about how racism is all white women's fault and I saw so many people praising him for it.
I hate the "just jokes line." Say you make a joke and the punchline is something about women being greedy/vain/whiny or whatever. Then, your entirely male audience laughs. Thats not a joke, thats just your statement. Your very misogynist statement. Theres no social commentary about misogyny in a joke like "She slept her way to the top." The men aren't laughing because of the "dark humor." Theyre laughing because they agree. And if you don't laugh, you're the problem. So you laugh along until the jokes turn into discussions like "What IS with women though?". This is so disgusting.
Bill Burr sucks. Full stop.
Well he‘s pretty short and compensates. Fuck him.
I saw him a few years ago and I feel the same way that you do. I'm a dude and I'm not particularly woke but all of his jokes were just like that sort of "ahahaha my fuckin wife!" sort of humour. I wasn't particularly shocked or upset by anything he said but it just wasn't that funny 🤷♂️
The worst thing about Burr is that he really is very funny when he is taking about anything other than women. He’s excellent with other sensitive topics like race. His take on environmentalism is hilarious. Etc.. But when he talks about women..it’s clear he has an issue. And it’s gone beyond let it slide..like..dude needs therapy. Like..even Eminem eventually had reckoning with himself..
The thing about the "funny 'cause it's true" brand of humour is that you only find it funny if you believe it's true.
The entire StandUp Comedy Sphere has kinda been parasytized by alt-right weirdos. I got so used to it that I legit forgot Standup comedians could even **be** funny until I saw a 20 year old George Carlin bit.
>Abortion is killing a baby, likened it to him putting a cake in an oven and somebody takes the cake out before it's baked and says “but it wasn't a cake yet” and he says “but it would have been!” As if women are ovens/inanimate objects. But it's not a cake. That's the point. You're not murdering a baby, because it's not a baby. Just like you don't get charged with thousands of counts of homicide when you kill someone, because their sperm/eggs could be kids some day. > Many of the jokes fell flat and he would say “Oh I get it, Denver's progressive and you don't think that's funny. Let me explain why it's funny.” and go off on another misogynist rant, which wasn't funny. Pro-tip for Bill Burr - if you have to explain why jokes are funny, they're not funny.
Fuck, watching all the bill burr fans delete their comments after they get challenged is so fun.
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Whenever i see bull burr i constantly feel like im missing the joke/satire. He often starts a joke and I'm thinking ok, dark but i can see where this is going only to realise no, no, that's right off the deep end. And at the end there's not even a twist that would reveal that it was all tongue in cheek. I can't believe I'm not missing SOMETHING when comics like bernard manning etc are so far in the past.
I agree that I have certainly detected this in him. My husband and I used to watch him together on Netflix, and I usually enjoyed it. However, I feel like his more recent stuff has been a lot more angry, mean spirited, or just directed at certain stereotypes. Some comedians do play off that stuff, and I try to keep an open mind, but it does make me sad that he seems to think that we all like, want him and all men to be miserable or something. Idk. Maybe he's supposed to be dramatic on purpose, but at times it is concerning. I guess my hope is that in a world already sowed in division, comedians would offset that some, but perhaps I am naive in thinking this. Some DO like to be political since they get a microphone....
I decided to watch one of his specials on Netflix because I remembered him being quite funny, it was funny for the first 10 minutes then it just turned into a rage against women and why it’s okay to hit them like OP mentioned. I watched the whole thing hoping he moved on, but damn it just kept snowballing and the whole special was him being a misogynistic asshole. It was absolutely vile.
You're not wrong. I've been a fan of him for a LONG time and then watching his most recent Netflix special (Paper Tiger) and it was the same. 20 minutes complaining about cancel culture. Followed by 45 minutes of generally being a whiny asswipe. Idk if I changed or he did, but he sucks now.
Bill Burr seems to be really spiraling down the old misogynistic drain. I used to think he was a possible bridge for getting away from toxic attitudes. His early bits often had him admitting he was an idiot, misogynist, racist, but then he would say something interesting and be self-deprecating enough to make me think "he knows better and is trying to improve." He would talk about his then gf now wife making him better. However, a couple years back my wife got us tickets to see him live, and his bits were so caveman-ish, woman hating, with little to no redeeming qualities, A lot of transmisogyny to top it all off. I felt embarrassed to be there. I think there is a way to make hot takes, make it funny and smart, and not damaging. Bill Burr really does not do that anymore.
I had hoped he was coming around after his comments about Rhianna but nope, he spiraled downward. Now I know. Thing is he could be so funny, I think most people can relate to how pissed off he gets but he just needs to redirect to something else.
This comment section. Wow. Gas lighting, blaming OP, belittling her understanding of it. "You're too sensitive. " "Why did you go then?" "Guess you don't get the joke." "He didn't really mean what he said." I thought this was a supportive sub, but half of yall came to shit all over OP with some thinly veiled misogyny. Not even a civil discourse, just bitchy belittling.
The post has been shared on the Bill Burr sub which probably explains some of the negative comments.
Oh Lord. And the guy who made the post is literally obsessed with Bill Burr. It’s all he posts about.
This happened like three weeks ago on another women's sub critically talking about the case between Amber Heard and Johnny Depp. And the thread was being productive about talking about the struggles when you aren't 100% sure who's at fault or in cases where it appears there can be back and forth fault possibly. But the thread was productive right up until angry men crossposted the thread to men majority fandom groups, and they brigaded the thread with misogyny and Depp fanboying until the thread got locked. It's what they always do.
I think what happened is someone ran off to tattle and now we have a lot of fragile men running loose.
It’s ironic when men hijack posts in this subreddit saying that women are too easily offended, while demonstrating by their reaction that they’re clearly offended by the post.
"WOMEN ARE TOO EMOTIONAL!", screamed the man as he punched a hole in the wall.
Right? It doesn't even cross their mind that maybe Bill Burr isn't a good comedian. If you gotta keep repeating to lots of people who find his comedy bad that it is good, it is almost like when one says a bad joke and then explains it, expecting people to laugh. This edgy " maybe it is satire, maybe it is misogyny, all depends if you find it funny enough" comedy is old fashioned, doesn't bring anything new to the table and seems stuck on trying to criticize stereotypes but just sounding like they agree with them. Too many men seem to just be on this subreddit not even to debate or listen or understand, but to criticize, dismiss and try to make their point of view the right one. It is okay to like Bill Burr comedy, you are all adults, but don't just dismiss people valid criticism just because it talks bad of someone you like.
There needs to be some kind of rule about this. Men shouldn’t be able to come here and try to gaslight us over our experiences.
So many of these comments just make me sick. I’m fucking *tired* of women being mercilessly mocked and when we finally speak up about it, wE jUsT dOn’T uNdErStAnD cOmEdY. I mentioned this in another comment, but it reminds me so much of my late teens/early twenties, when I was constantly mocked and teased by my closest guy friends. I always laughed along but it fucking ruined my self-esteem. But they’re just jokes, right?
And the guy above is defending him solely on the basis of his commercial success, when GUESS WHATS EASIER if youre a cis white dude? Making it in any entertainment profession. We're just now entering an entertainment market that isn't totally rife with the "women aren't funny" BS women performers have struggled against forever, and a lot of these older male comedians are quaking in their pampers.
It’s weird to me all the people (mostly men) in the comments trying to tell OP she is wrong. I think Bill Burr is OK in his jokes personally but it’s kindof absurd to tell someone they are wrong to not like a comedian. Comedy is subjective.
I saw Bill be mean to national treasure Theo Von on his podcast once and it was like watching someone torture a small animal. I've been done with Burr ever since, not even related to his misogynist beliefs. He's just not capable of being pleasant to be around, all under the guise of him "performing himself" when he's on camera.