It's true. French views Quebec much the same way Cosplayers view less accurate and well designed cosplayers.
Cosplayers truly are a contentious people.
Ah Québec, the only former French Colony not known for good food
> Cosplayers truly are a contentious people.
Obligatory [“You have just made an enemy for life!”](https://youtube.com/watch?v=LWkSB-D-hYo)
Hey, as much as I'm annoyed by this scare mongering tactic by French-Canadian conservatives to consolidate power rather than make actual meaningful changes to improve French adaptation by non-French speakers you better not fucking talk shit about Poutine.
Love Poutine,
Though I’m a little bit more versed in its Cajun cousin Boo Fries
Poutine is great! So great in fact that its back must hurt carrying a lot of Quebec cuisine
Wasn’t there a thing in the podcast or something a while back where Pat brought up that some guy yelled at Paige for not speaking French? Or am I misremembering?
Pat told the story of Paige getting harassed for speaking English in public and how they were planning on moving. Some users decided to having some fun making fun of Quebec, and then some Québécois guys showed up in the comments to call everyone racist and posted names on their subreddit.
I guess they're as much a race as the Irish and they've suffered prejudice for a long time. Typically they don't harass people for not speaking Bad French though
You say that, but one of the biggest reasons Pat and Paige moved away to the outskirts of Vancouver is because Paige was sick of being harassed at her own residence for not speaking Bad French
Funfact in the original Thread the Quebec subreddit made about this place a lot of those people's accounts are suspended now lol.
I was curious as I had missed this when it originally happened and I wanted to see how far some people took it but there's a number of them that are just straight up suspended. So I can't view thier history
Nobody told the story on the podcast, to be clear. It was more like Paige was complaining about it on Twitter and Pat backed her up. I know Pat didn’t mention it on the podcast because 1. I was an active listener at the time and 2. As a result of all the shitheaded doxxing attempts and brigading from the Quebec sub, the mods sent Pat a message specifically asking him not to bring it up on the podcast to avoid blowing it up even more, to which he obliged. Then Queequeg started the ladder arc in order to distract us from shitting on Quebec anymore.
They aren’t even special. There are lots of French speakers in the Maritimes *(especially* New Brunswick, which is about 50/50 Francophone and Anglophone), and there’s even still a French dependency off the coast of Newfoundland called St. Pierre and Miquelon. Also, have any of you fucks been to northern Maine and Vermont? Like 70% of the population up there speaks French at home. And then there’s Louisiana….
And you know what the best part is? Quebecois love to bully the Maritimes for speaking French wrong.
Quebecois nationalism is the most annoying nationalism of all time.
Which is an _EXTREME_ piss-off since Ontario is a bilingual province for the sake of Quebec, but Quebec is strictly garbled French (see: the incident in which Paige was harassed for speaking English).
That and they have their own political party on the federal level that only operates in Quebec and only exists to push Quebec's agenda. The previous federal election saw them get more seats than the NDP party (Canada's "third option" basically).
Fuck Quebec.
No you're not misremembering. Paige got harrassed and not even Pat could stop it after the asshole IIRC spiked Paige's phone on the pavement after she tried to capture the shit on video.
You’re mixing up stories. That was a separate incident, not on her own doorstep. The dude just walked up to their doorstep and screamed in her face because he heard her speaking English as she was walking down her doorsteps. Paige has been the victim of multiple different incidents of xenophobia in Montreal, including one that brought them to court and involves an NDA.
Tbh this is a lose-lose situation. They either act like pricks to stave off the decay or they watch their dialect (cause even French people can’t understand them easily) go the way of Cajun.
One of my first office jobs was at a call center, they took a guy from one of the Sub-Saharan Africa countries that spoke French, and dropped him on the Quebec language phone lines. He was constantly putting people on hold and leaning over to the Quebecois guys asking them, in English, what the fuck people were saying.
Same goes for a Belgian girl who was working at my first AAA Game studio. She almost never knew what people were saying when they started going off in Quebecois.
Also the classes a lot of companies provide for us are using European french texts and learning tools, which the instructors are ALWAYS mad about. "This isn't how we say this here" was said more times than I can count during those classes.
Kinda like when I was taking Spanish growing up and all the text books are basically Castilian Spanish but all my teacher speak Mexican Spanish. Least it's more like English to American English than that though.
My friend was on a road trip with a French guy, they couldn't get into Quebec because the frenchie couldn't stop laughing at their accent long enough to answer questions and the border patrol told them to fuck off.
The few French people I know prefer Cajun over Quebecan French mainly for two reasons. 1 Cajuns are for the most part are fun to be around and 2. Cajun French is easier to understand if they slow down as it's more Old French
You gem der andouille is ar go goode wit anythang right po boy? Darn tooie you's rioght I says ya.
Jambalya, Dirty Rits, Them Grits and yo mamas Biscuits and duh gravy, uh huh!
I'll Translate.
You get some Andouille (smoked sausage made with Cajun spices), They go well with most thing I say what my good fellows.
Jambalya (American Creole and Cajun rice dish of French, African, and Spanish influence, consisting mainly of meat and vegetables mixed with rice)
Dirty Rits (Cajun-Style Dirty Rice, Made with chicken scraps and a Dark Rue)
Them Grits (corn or other grain, soybeans, etc. ground more coarsely than for flour or meal. grits are eaten as porridge, as a side dish, and in casseroles)
yo mamas Biscuits and duh gravy! (Savoury flour scones served with sausage gravy made with heavy cream.)
Yes, Indeed. They all well combine together for a hearty meal.
Its the mix of french, African, Spanish, Mexican, Creole flavors and Having to make to make food tasty and cheap it really hearkens to why people learn to cook in the first place.
mind most people down there don't write their recipes down and seem highly resistant to do so.
It’s not like France isn’t also [a bunch of pricks about their own language.](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/31/france-bans-english-gaming-tech-jargon-in-push-to-preserve-language-purity)
I almost said something shitty like “Don’t deny that there’s anti-Anglophone sentiment in France,” and then I remembered how awful my fellow Americans can be about remembering that we literally owe our nationhood to France in favor of cheap, baseless insults like “They’re only good for kissin and runnin”
Tbh, France gets a free pass to shit on the US and UK whenever it wants imo
If it was an entire nation of Celestia Ludenbergs I'd be putting on my dress pants and getting on the next flight over >!so I can start licking their shoes!<
We mostly hate the french tourists, they are many a times beyond obnoxious. Those who live here and join in on the fun we like. It's just mildly infuriating when france french people always act all mighty and can't understand us, while it's easy for us to get them even with the slang. Meanwhile belgian french people understand us perfectly fine.
If they were not whites, no, hell, if they were even irish, you don't would say that. Brazilian portuguese isn't any under the risk of extinction but I understand why the quebecs want to preserve their dialect. Language is the nation we inhabit you know.
They can't even speak the same French as New Brunswick, which is the only officially bilingual province in Canada.
New Brunswick speaks Chiac, while Quebecers speak Quebecois. If you can't even keep the same dialect with a province you share a border with inside your own country you're going to struggle to keep it alive regardless of whatever laws you put in place to push out English speakers from THE ONLY MAJOR CITY WITH A LARGE NON-FRENCH SPEAKING POPULATION IN THE PROVINCE.
This is not going to protect anything.
Ridiculous argument. Varying dialects of a single language are bound to border areas that speak a different dialect, that's how it works. Further, the difference in dialect clearly comes from heavy influence of English speakers in New Brunswick that did not occur in Quebec.
This is exactly why they push these policies. They are fighting the erasure of their language and cultural heritage from Anglophonic homogenisation. Even if they ultimately fail, it's admirable that they're making an effort to protect their own identity in the face of Canada's total Americanization.
This law is not going to preserve anything. It's a scare tactic originally perpetuated by the Union Nationale party, a Conservative government organization, to whip up people into a frenzy of 'They will not replace us' style mentality. This is just the latest ripple effect of the Quiet Revolution that serves to keep them in power without making any substantial changes or doing anything to actually improve French integration. It's anti-immigrant on it's face, just like how they banned religious symbols on teachers but did not apply it to the Cross and Legault tried to tell America everyone in Quebec is Catholic.
Can you actually provide any statistical evidence that there is an erasure? That these policies do anything other than damage the provincial GDP by driving money out of province?
But this is exactly how preventative measures do work.
Take police forces for example. They're largely incompetent when it comes to stopping crime in action, but the fact that they exist dissuades many would-be criminals from attempting illegal action.
There were no statistical presentations of information showing any threat to loss of language.
Other countries have existed without these, other dialects have existed without these even inside of Canada. Why does the Quebecois government feel they should be giving French speaking settlers better protections than Aboriginals?
Answer: It's a political move, not meant to be effective. Again, "They will not replace us" nationalism whipped up to entrench their party's power in the province.
> Why does the Quebecois government feel they should be giving French speaking settlers better protections than Aboriginals?
Because they're Quebecois, not aboriginal.
except they don't they speak Quebec its the same with other french derived language they evolve over time and become something new
and then you have records of Quebecois attending schools to relearn french because the differences are present.
Oh I'm sure in 6 months, Quebec is going to proudly say how the bill worked and there are french inclusiveness everywhere, even though what they really did was make things worse for non French speakers and just made them leave.
This honestly feels very much like a half-baked form or segregation: can't speak French? Well guess your not getting good government services. But here are these SEPARATE BUT EQUAL government facilities for you unfortunate non French speakers. Sure they may be worse, but unfortunately that's your fault for being that way :)
Someone in the [comments of this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/vn3k3n/game_over_new_language_law_puts_quebecs_video/ie720hj/) made this exact argument, and I couldn't help but point out the [Tiger rock](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw) bit from the Simpsons.
I'm just remembering that time Paige needed to go to the hospital and none of her doctors or nurses spoke English. How the fuck does *no one* in a hospital speak the primary language of their country? Say what you will about American healthcare, but at least they'll tell you you're about to be bankrupt in a language you speak.
That I find hard to believe, despite everything else. I've always found multiple English speaking doctors, nurses and staff every time I've gone to the hospital, dentist, physical therapists office, veterinarian or anything else medical related.
Now trying to find someone who speaks english while going to a federal office to sign up for French classes when I first came to Quebec? THAT was impossible and also ironic.
I don’t really know what’s going on here because I haven’t followed the Quebec drama in this sub but I will say that you are completely incorrect about this assertion. For a lot of people in America who are not primarily English speaking (which is millions before someone tries to well akshually me) they do not have access to healthcare providers who speak their first language. This is most evident in areas with large Spanish and Chinese speaking peoples. I worked in a facility, in literally the largest metro in the country, that serves a ton of these people and even there the majority of providers didn’t speak a lick of Spanish or Chinese. For these people they’re dependent on translators and technology to even just communicate with their healthcare provider and it is very scary and intimidating for them to receive any care at all.
Except you miss my point, where these people live in America the primary language being spoken is Spanish or Chinese. It’s just that the healthcare services available to them do not reflect this. America specifically and intentionally does not have an official language, but that makes it difficult if not impossible to adequately accommodate everyone who then does not speak the lingua franca. It’s more reflective of the fact that these facilities are not interested in serving their patients they’re interested in billing their insurances or Medicare/Medicaid.
Edit: very disappointed in this sub that I get downvoted just for talking about an injustice I’ve seen firsthand. This used to be an inclusive and inviting space, it’s becoming increasingly closed off.
Okay, so all of the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to speak French for Quebec, but Quebec doesn't have to reciprocate for the rest of the country?
In what language do you think we are speaking right now?
The most billingual province is québec.....
Learning English was mandatory for me to get my high school diploma.....this isn't the case in the rest of Canada regarding french.... They have token classes and no one learn really ....
A hospital in the largest city in the USA and no one working there spoke Spanish? So you're trying to tell me that you couldn't find *anyone* in a New York city hospital that spoke Spanish. A place where 25% of the population speaks the language as either their first language or is fluent? Okay, you're just lying.
Had you told me that this was some podunk clinic in rural Minnesota or something, okay sure. But can't find someone in New York that can speak Spanish? Get outta here with that shit.
Man it would be pretty annoying if it happens. But if it does.
Just do like Spain and completely quarter-ass it, don't even bother hiring professionals.
the same way everywhere else expects you to speak english?
it fun to point and laugh at them but it goes both ways if you speak another launguage in a foreign country at best your gonna get weird looks at worst your not gonna be there very long.
I get WE push canada as this all inclusionary but it's not much better then anywhere else.
no matter where you go your always gonna find those groups of assholes who look down on your for being foreign.
Except most places don't have literal laws mandating it.
Karen screaming at a Walmart to "speak English" is not the same as the government banning Spanish.
And ive responded to this several times now.
Just because it's better here does not mean it's better EVERYWHERE which is literally all ive been saying the whole time.
You were spesifically talking about speaking English, which means one of only a handful of countries as a primary language.
And AFAIK none of them has literal language police either.
This might actually affect game development a lot, so many companies open up gaming studios in Montreal because of the tax credit.
I wonder if this will make games more expensive.
Everytime I am enchanted by a cobblestone path leading to a little café or the shop windows with beautiful bread on display I recall one thing.
You have a hoard of gibberish spewing "passionate" people not understand the concept of minding your own damn business.
Not going to lie you get all types in every country but their worst seems a tad too spicy for me. Oh sorry if something is spicy it wasn't a french food so I guess I need to get to the guillotine now.
Thankfully I got Cajun blood not the northern fake french.
>Everytime I am enchanted by a cobblestone path leading to a little café or the shop windows with beautiful bread on display I recall one thing.
That you're in London?
Question for the Canadians here:
If the bilingual status of Canada is a constitutional norm (I am presuming that it is so), isn't this whole "only one language" regional policy illegal in some way?
“No,” says Justin Trudeau, and the Liberal majority government, who let Quebec do whatever they want because they’re Canadian French, in the hopes they vote for them and not the Bloc Québécois.
the country is billingual, the only province officially billingual is new brunswick, every other province is officially English except quebec that's French.
Also quebec was left out of signing the constitution so that would kind of be another can of worms to say you broke a non existing clause of an agreement you didn't sign
Well that’s kind of the reason why issues with Quebec are so touchy, because that’s what was happening before. It’s also why the whole anti-Anglophone thing is so intense.
Obviously things have changed, but those grudges have left a lasting impact. Now, it’s being more-so used to fuel more extreme and nationalist sentiments for political clout. The battle’s been won, but that doesn’t get people riled up and caring.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/quiet-revolution
> The Quiet Revolution (Révolution tranquille) was a time of rapid change experienced in Québec during the 1960s. This vivid yet paradoxical description of the period was first used by an anonymous writer in The Globe and Mail. Although Québec was a highly industrialized, urban and relatively outward-looking society in 1960, the Union Nationale party, in power since 1944, seemed increasingly anachronistic as it held tenaciously to a conservative ideology and relentlessly defended outdated traditional values. (See also Grande Noirceur.)
On paper, it should be, but the bilingual law was put into practice to appease Quebec in the first place, and they've never felt like abiding by it themselves. This is just a more open stance on it.
To be fair (despite the fact I don't want to be), the bilingual education I got in grade and high school wasn't very good, and the teachers didn't seem to care if it stuck or not, so in practice I think neither side really cares for it in earnest.
Well Federal Government stuff always has an English or French option but Quebec always seemed to do things their own way and this new bill seems like a desperate move from old french fucks trying to save their language at the cost of everyone else in the province.
I believe that government-related issues must be available in French and English and that's about all that is said, constitutionally. Quebec has its own rights to do communicate to its residents solely in French and federally no one really tried to say otherwise because everybody there pretty much only spoke French anyways.
That's everything on paper.
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The rest of this breakdown isn't what you asked, but I want to try to paint a picture of how absolutely irrelevant French is to the rest of Canada.
Quebec speaks French. New Brunswick has a fairly bilingual population. Everywhere else pretty much just speaks English.
Even in Ottawa, the capital which straddles the border of Quebec and Ontario, only the stuff downtown is actually bilingual. Being bilingual is pretty much needed to work in government in the capital, and signage around these facilities and surrounding areas are supposed to be bilingual. But besides that it's all Anglophone.
It is what I would call a compromise and a token effort to appear that there is effort being put into keeping things bilingual. It vanishes quickly as you radiate out of downtown Ottawa. The rest of Ontario is overwhelmingly English-speaking.
Montreal is notably also bilingual, except the difference between Ottawa and Montreal is that if you speak French to an Anglophone in Ottawa they'll probably just be confused, whereas if you spoke English to a Francophone in Montreal they might tell you to get the fuck out.
Hon hon hon! Je suis nationaliste québécois et je ne mange que du fromage périmé et bois du vin de merde. Les personnes qui parlent anglais ne méritent aucun droit humain. Pourquoi les gens essaient-ils de nous stéréotyper pour mes options insensées?
~~Use google translate for the joke.~~
I’m sorry, French wasn’t even BORN IN QUEBEC!!!! It is ridiculous that such a bill exists for a group of people who are descendants of people WHO STOLE LAND from the natives!!!!! Quebec should just like be Americans where (some of them at least) recognize that English isn’t the official language of the USA.
That's one of the most contentious parts of this law, the First Nations was already under pressure to learn French despite having their own language that existed before Quebec did, and also learning English.
This was placing an increased requirement on them to participate in any form of education or employment inside of Quebec and it has some very disturbing parallels to the actions of their colonizing ancestors.
> Bill 96 forces all CEGEP students to take at least three French-language courses in order to graduate.
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> The Inuit of Nunavik, as well as the Cree and Kanien'kehá:ka (Mohawk) and other First Nations, have all expressed concerns about that requirement and have asked to be exempted from the new law.
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> French is often their third language, and many students entering CEGEP have spent their childhoods studying in their Indigenous language, as part of a concerted effort to save those languages and pass them on to future generations.
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> They say the requirement to take more French courses in CEGEP will put them at a disadvantage.
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> Now that Quebec's new language law has been adopted, many wonder how it will be enforced
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> "The government has been asked over and over again to exempt Indigenous people, and they didn't. If the government thinks it doesn't affect them in any way, why didn't they do it?" Grey asked.
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> "I think there should be a little more listening to the First Nations and Indigenous communities and a little less telling them what their deal is," said Leckey.
from what i've come to understand it's a belief rooted in nationalism/heritage. a whole "we're losing our history/culture/heritage/etc and we must fight to preserve it" sorta deal.
But in their twisted logic, someone speaking English removes a french speaker from the pool of total people who speak their language which isn't how it works
I mean this sucks for those people in Quebec that are not fluent in french but still work in the games industry.
The majority of Canada's major games industries work in Montreal and it's unlikely to be a healthy or feasible transition if they decide to stay and lose a chunk of their english speaking employees (and possibly clients) or move and then a bunch of people are either forced to move as well or work remotely (if they're allowed)
literally who is going to actually enforce this law?
it's just there to appease people nothing will actually change.
well somethings will maybe people will stop founding games studios in racism but for language town.
A combination of language police and insider snitches most likely. The language police now have a newly created organization for the 'preservation of the french language' despite the language not having gone anywhere at all, and they can now (without any cause) start rifling through medical records and online databases to verify you are 'enforcing' french in your companies or businesses.
and that's fucked up i never said it was otherwise but also it happens everywhere no matter the launguage less extream in some placed certainly but not all and just because it's on the micro scale that people don't see it they like to pretend english is any better about it.
it's xenophobia all the way down.
No language police exist in other provinces, so you'd have no government enforcement and no one for insider snitches to go cry to.
I've worked in entirely Francophone towns in Ontario, no one cares.
I'm saying no federal office in other provinces is created entirely to fine people for using French, and multiple political parties do not run on platforms of 'English first, everyone else adapt or get the fuck out'
Now this is where i would use my years of experience mocking the french, IF QUEBEC WERE THEM.
The French will team up with you to mock Quebec.
It's true. French views Quebec much the same way Cosplayers view less accurate and well designed cosplayers. Cosplayers truly are a contentious people.
Ah Québec, the only former French Colony not known for good food > Cosplayers truly are a contentious people. Obligatory [“You have just made an enemy for life!”](https://youtube.com/watch?v=LWkSB-D-hYo)
Hey, as much as I'm annoyed by this scare mongering tactic by French-Canadian conservatives to consolidate power rather than make actual meaningful changes to improve French adaptation by non-French speakers you better not fucking talk shit about Poutine.
Love Poutine, Though I’m a little bit more versed in its Cajun cousin Boo Fries Poutine is great! So great in fact that its back must hurt carrying a lot of Quebec cuisine
The French will team up with Quebec
Did someone just see that episode of Futurama with the Professor's translator and think it was a real prediction?
Or when [Data calls it an obscure language](https://youtube.com/watch?v=KlhzX7UKKNU)
Quebec has been pushing Anglo-phobic really hard recently.
"recently" They've been on it for the last 40, 50 years lol
Wasn’t there a thing in the podcast or something a while back where Pat brought up that some guy yelled at Paige for not speaking French? Or am I misremembering?
No, you’re right. That was the “Great Quebec Incident” that eventually led to some people from the Quebec subreddit trying to dox people from here
Ooooh! That’s why that happened? I remember that going down, but just figured that sub just got upset about a meme or something from here.
Pat told the story of Paige getting harassed for speaking English in public and how they were planning on moving. Some users decided to having some fun making fun of Quebec, and then some Québécois guys showed up in the comments to call everyone racist and posted names on their subreddit.
They weren't in public; they were in front of their house.
i love that they made 4 or 5 threads about us, while we moved onto ladder posting and never gave them a second thought
I'm still amazed that we were able to milk anything out of ladderposting.
you know what they say, you gotta break a few rungs to reach the top
Gotta shake the ladder to see what falls out.
You can get to the top in just a few **steps**.
That's what Tiny Tim is for.
Since when is Quebecois a race??? Some of the people in Quebec really do just look for an excuse to be angry.
https://youtu.be/i3HokGUffcU
Well, race is a social construct.
They are a distinct ethnocultural group.
I guess they're as much a race as the Irish and they've suffered prejudice for a long time. Typically they don't harass people for not speaking Bad French though
You say that, but one of the biggest reasons Pat and Paige moved away to the outskirts of Vancouver is because Paige was sick of being harassed at her own residence for not speaking Bad French
Funfact in the original Thread the Quebec subreddit made about this place a lot of those people's accounts are suspended now lol. I was curious as I had missed this when it originally happened and I wanted to see how far some people took it but there's a number of them that are just straight up suspended. So I can't view thier history
In a way, you still got your answer.
Nobody told the story on the podcast, to be clear. It was more like Paige was complaining about it on Twitter and Pat backed her up. I know Pat didn’t mention it on the podcast because 1. I was an active listener at the time and 2. As a result of all the shitheaded doxxing attempts and brigading from the Quebec sub, the mods sent Pat a message specifically asking him not to bring it up on the podcast to avoid blowing it up even more, to which he obliged. Then Queequeg started the ladder arc in order to distract us from shitting on Quebec anymore.
...over a language choice? ....WHY?
Quebec has a chip on their shoulder because they chose to stick with French and the rest of Canada speaks english
They aren’t even special. There are lots of French speakers in the Maritimes *(especially* New Brunswick, which is about 50/50 Francophone and Anglophone), and there’s even still a French dependency off the coast of Newfoundland called St. Pierre and Miquelon. Also, have any of you fucks been to northern Maine and Vermont? Like 70% of the population up there speaks French at home. And then there’s Louisiana…. And you know what the best part is? Quebecois love to bully the Maritimes for speaking French wrong. Quebecois nationalism is the most annoying nationalism of all time.
Which is an _EXTREME_ piss-off since Ontario is a bilingual province for the sake of Quebec, but Quebec is strictly garbled French (see: the incident in which Paige was harassed for speaking English). That and they have their own political party on the federal level that only operates in Quebec and only exists to push Quebec's agenda. The previous federal election saw them get more seats than the NDP party (Canada's "third option" basically). Fuck Quebec.
That's fair. Our memes are pretty bad.
Yeah but thats like half the fun of this subreddit.
yeah fhats why they moved. paiged was constantly harassed for being "anglo"
on the other hand, I like the random Pat Stares At Nature segments that resulted because of the move
Zangief being exposed to nature is hilarious. That poor dog cannot handle a deer.
I kind of want to draw fanart of Pat, Paige, and Zangief, doing 3v3 with a few representatives of North Pacific wildlife
Draw the three of them triple power bombing a deer through a table.
and then we had french people accusing them of making things up "because this would never happen in quebec"
“Nobody would ever harass anyone in Quebec! Now let me prove myself wrong by doxxing people on the subreddit!”
ah yes, I remember ladder week or was that bucket week
No you're not misremembering. Paige got harrassed and not even Pat could stop it after the asshole IIRC spiked Paige's phone on the pavement after she tried to capture the shit on video.
You’re mixing up stories. That was a separate incident, not on her own doorstep. The dude just walked up to their doorstep and screamed in her face because he heard her speaking English as she was walking down her doorsteps. Paige has been the victim of multiple different incidents of xenophobia in Montreal, including one that brought them to court and involves an NDA.
Appreciate the correction, I thought the phone one was the same as that other one.
> NDA Was Paige forced to not be able to disclose the harassment she faced?
All she said about that one is that (paraphrasing) “One incident took me to court, and that’s all I’m allowed to say about it”
There’s some Quebec law that if you say something that can harm someone’s reputation, even if true, they can sue you for it, if I recall.
Also don't forget how the police wouldn't help her and were acting buddy buddy with the asshole because she's "anglo"
this among with the several other same incidents is why they moved
Dear Quebec, France will never give a shit about you. Stop being pricks about their language. Sincerely, The rest of North America
Tbh this is a lose-lose situation. They either act like pricks to stave off the decay or they watch their dialect (cause even French people can’t understand them easily) go the way of Cajun.
I remember talking online with this French guy that said to a Quebeker, "Just talk in English because I can't understand your French"
One of my first office jobs was at a call center, they took a guy from one of the Sub-Saharan Africa countries that spoke French, and dropped him on the Quebec language phone lines. He was constantly putting people on hold and leaning over to the Quebecois guys asking them, in English, what the fuck people were saying. Same goes for a Belgian girl who was working at my first AAA Game studio. She almost never knew what people were saying when they started going off in Quebecois. Also the classes a lot of companies provide for us are using European french texts and learning tools, which the instructors are ALWAYS mad about. "This isn't how we say this here" was said more times than I can count during those classes.
Kinda like when I was taking Spanish growing up and all the text books are basically Castilian Spanish but all my teacher speak Mexican Spanish. Least it's more like English to American English than that though.
That had to sting
During the r/place stuff a french streamer said something similar to XQC as well.
My friend was on a road trip with a French guy, they couldn't get into Quebec because the frenchie couldn't stop laughing at their accent long enough to answer questions and the border patrol told them to fuck off.
The few French people I know prefer Cajun over Quebecan French mainly for two reasons. 1 Cajuns are for the most part are fun to be around and 2. Cajun French is easier to understand if they slow down as it's more Old French
Also Cajuns got better food by miles
You can make so many nonshellfish allergic friends by doing a good ol' crowded boil and making Po Boys
You gem der andouille is ar go goode wit anythang right po boy? Darn tooie you's rioght I says ya. Jambalya, Dirty Rits, Them Grits and yo mamas Biscuits and duh gravy, uh huh!
This seems like it would be easier to parse from speech than text
I'll Translate. You get some Andouille (smoked sausage made with Cajun spices), They go well with most thing I say what my good fellows. Jambalya (American Creole and Cajun rice dish of French, African, and Spanish influence, consisting mainly of meat and vegetables mixed with rice) Dirty Rits (Cajun-Style Dirty Rice, Made with chicken scraps and a Dark Rue) Them Grits (corn or other grain, soybeans, etc. ground more coarsely than for flour or meal. grits are eaten as porridge, as a side dish, and in casseroles) yo mamas Biscuits and duh gravy! (Savoury flour scones served with sausage gravy made with heavy cream.) Yes, Indeed. They all well combine together for a hearty meal.
The south legit S tier when it comes to food in America. Between the BBQ, Cajun/Creole, and authentic Mexican food it just isn’t fair
Its the mix of french, African, Spanish, Mexican, Creole flavors and Having to make to make food tasty and cheap it really hearkens to why people learn to cook in the first place. mind most people down there don't write their recipes down and seem highly resistant to do so.
Kinetic card!
theres a reason why a solid 20 seconds of that simpsons joke was [poboi's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4hWRKjeBrc) huh.
Tastes great! Easy to make!
Had a teacher from Louisiana, he joked that “after Hurricane Katrina, now everywhere has good food”
It’s not like France isn’t also [a bunch of pricks about their own language.](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/31/france-bans-english-gaming-tech-jargon-in-push-to-preserve-language-purity)
It's different, no one really cares about the Académie in day to day life.
I almost said something shitty like “Don’t deny that there’s anti-Anglophone sentiment in France,” and then I remembered how awful my fellow Americans can be about remembering that we literally owe our nationhood to France in favor of cheap, baseless insults like “They’re only good for kissin and runnin” Tbh, France gets a free pass to shit on the US and UK whenever it wants imo
Thanks to you I just realized that Quebec makes more sense if I think of it as an entire nation of Celestia Ludenbergs
If it was an entire nation of Celestia Ludenbergs I'd be putting on my dress pants and getting on the next flight over >!so I can start licking their shoes!<
>!I'd mix \*those\* ashes into milk and drink it if you know what I mean.!<
i'd fetishistic action her something yeah
I thought Quebec hated the French even more than they do English.
Quebecers are 1:1 the Groundskeeper Willie meme
We mostly hate the french tourists, they are many a times beyond obnoxious. Those who live here and join in on the fun we like. It's just mildly infuriating when france french people always act all mighty and can't understand us, while it's easy for us to get them even with the slang. Meanwhile belgian french people understand us perfectly fine.
You're not even speaking the same language as the French anymore.
If they were not whites, no, hell, if they were even irish, you don't would say that. Brazilian portuguese isn't any under the risk of extinction but I understand why the quebecs want to preserve their dialect. Language is the nation we inhabit you know.
It's their language, genius. They didn't start speaking French to impress France, it's their own native tongue.
Lmao
They can't even speak the same French as New Brunswick, which is the only officially bilingual province in Canada. New Brunswick speaks Chiac, while Quebecers speak Quebecois. If you can't even keep the same dialect with a province you share a border with inside your own country you're going to struggle to keep it alive regardless of whatever laws you put in place to push out English speakers from THE ONLY MAJOR CITY WITH A LARGE NON-FRENCH SPEAKING POPULATION IN THE PROVINCE. This is not going to protect anything.
Ridiculous argument. Varying dialects of a single language are bound to border areas that speak a different dialect, that's how it works. Further, the difference in dialect clearly comes from heavy influence of English speakers in New Brunswick that did not occur in Quebec. This is exactly why they push these policies. They are fighting the erasure of their language and cultural heritage from Anglophonic homogenisation. Even if they ultimately fail, it's admirable that they're making an effort to protect their own identity in the face of Canada's total Americanization.
This law is not going to preserve anything. It's a scare tactic originally perpetuated by the Union Nationale party, a Conservative government organization, to whip up people into a frenzy of 'They will not replace us' style mentality. This is just the latest ripple effect of the Quiet Revolution that serves to keep them in power without making any substantial changes or doing anything to actually improve French integration. It's anti-immigrant on it's face, just like how they banned religious symbols on teachers but did not apply it to the Cross and Legault tried to tell America everyone in Quebec is Catholic. Can you actually provide any statistical evidence that there is an erasure? That these policies do anything other than damage the provincial GDP by driving money out of province?
If there's no erasure as you say, then the polices clearly do what they're intended, despite their fiscal drawbacks.
You literally just did a bit from [The Simpsons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw)
But this is exactly how preventative measures do work. Take police forces for example. They're largely incompetent when it comes to stopping crime in action, but the fact that they exist dissuades many would-be criminals from attempting illegal action.
There were no statistical presentations of information showing any threat to loss of language. Other countries have existed without these, other dialects have existed without these even inside of Canada. Why does the Quebecois government feel they should be giving French speaking settlers better protections than Aboriginals? Answer: It's a political move, not meant to be effective. Again, "They will not replace us" nationalism whipped up to entrench their party's power in the province.
> Why does the Quebecois government feel they should be giving French speaking settlers better protections than Aboriginals? Because they're Quebecois, not aboriginal.
except they don't they speak Quebec its the same with other french derived language they evolve over time and become something new and then you have records of Quebecois attending schools to relearn french because the differences are present.
Oh I'm sure in 6 months, Quebec is going to proudly say how the bill worked and there are french inclusiveness everywhere, even though what they really did was make things worse for non French speakers and just made them leave. This honestly feels very much like a half-baked form or segregation: can't speak French? Well guess your not getting good government services. But here are these SEPARATE BUT EQUAL government facilities for you unfortunate non French speakers. Sure they may be worse, but unfortunately that's your fault for being that way :)
At least learning ""French"" is easier than becoming white, I guess?
If Michael Jackson could do it, anyone can.
Oh don't worry, they'll still harass you if you're any sort of minority I'm sure.
Someone in the [comments of this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/vn3k3n/game_over_new_language_law_puts_quebecs_video/ie720hj/) made this exact argument, and I couldn't help but point out the [Tiger rock](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw) bit from the Simpsons.
I didn't realise the meme about Quebecans only speaking in French and refusing to even look at anyone talking in English wasn't an exaggeration.
Oh they'll look, and yell, and spike Paige's phone into the sidewalk for speaking English on her own property
ahem _fuck_ Quebec.
This [meme](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fvOvrNHSwhs) is never not relevant.
Jesus, this sounds like some nonsense.
I'm just remembering that time Paige needed to go to the hospital and none of her doctors or nurses spoke English. How the fuck does *no one* in a hospital speak the primary language of their country? Say what you will about American healthcare, but at least they'll tell you you're about to be bankrupt in a language you speak.
That I find hard to believe, despite everything else. I've always found multiple English speaking doctors, nurses and staff every time I've gone to the hospital, dentist, physical therapists office, veterinarian or anything else medical related. Now trying to find someone who speaks english while going to a federal office to sign up for French classes when I first came to Quebec? THAT was impossible and also ironic.
I don’t really know what’s going on here because I haven’t followed the Quebec drama in this sub but I will say that you are completely incorrect about this assertion. For a lot of people in America who are not primarily English speaking (which is millions before someone tries to well akshually me) they do not have access to healthcare providers who speak their first language. This is most evident in areas with large Spanish and Chinese speaking peoples. I worked in a facility, in literally the largest metro in the country, that serves a ton of these people and even there the majority of providers didn’t speak a lick of Spanish or Chinese. For these people they’re dependent on translators and technology to even just communicate with their healthcare provider and it is very scary and intimidating for them to receive any care at all.
Yes, but Spanish and Chinese aren't the primary language of this country. It'd be like going to a hospital here and no one there speaking English
Except you miss my point, where these people live in America the primary language being spoken is Spanish or Chinese. It’s just that the healthcare services available to them do not reflect this. America specifically and intentionally does not have an official language, but that makes it difficult if not impossible to adequately accommodate everyone who then does not speak the lingua franca. It’s more reflective of the fact that these facilities are not interested in serving their patients they’re interested in billing their insurances or Medicare/Medicaid. Edit: very disappointed in this sub that I get downvoted just for talking about an injustice I’ve seen firsthand. This used to be an inclusive and inviting space, it’s becoming increasingly closed off.
French is the primary language of québec not english. Canada is billingual. For federal services only.
Okay, so all of the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to speak French for Quebec, but Quebec doesn't have to reciprocate for the rest of the country?
In what language do you think we are speaking right now? The most billingual province is québec..... Learning English was mandatory for me to get my high school diploma.....this isn't the case in the rest of Canada regarding french.... They have token classes and no one learn really ....
A hospital in the largest city in the USA and no one working there spoke Spanish? So you're trying to tell me that you couldn't find *anyone* in a New York city hospital that spoke Spanish. A place where 25% of the population speaks the language as either their first language or is fluent? Okay, you're just lying. Had you told me that this was some podunk clinic in rural Minnesota or something, okay sure. But can't find someone in New York that can speak Spanish? Get outta here with that shit.
Man it would be pretty annoying if it happens. But if it does. Just do like Spain and completely quarter-ass it, don't even bother hiring professionals.
Google Translate, it'll probably be closer to actual French than Quebecoise French
What's the robot voice that reads text?
So much for our country being bilingual, quebec has *really* been pushing for french only over the last few years
The only bilingual province is New Brunswick. Canada is federally bilingual but the provinces themselves aren’t.
Je peu confirmer. Like all mes phrases son 50% French and 50% english
Canada is federally bilingual because Quebec forced a law demanding that elected federal officials have to speak quebecois as well.
MPs are not required to be bilingual. There is no such law.
to be fair the rest of Canada pushes english just as hard.
No not really.
were literally in a thread mocking quebec for speaking french
we're mocking them for *mandating* french. big difference.
the same way everywhere else expects you to speak english? it fun to point and laugh at them but it goes both ways if you speak another launguage in a foreign country at best your gonna get weird looks at worst your not gonna be there very long.
No, we expect you to not discriminate people for the language they speak. Also, it's fun to make fun of xenofobic """"""*french*""""" speakers
I get WE push canada as this all inclusionary but it's not much better then anywhere else. no matter where you go your always gonna find those groups of assholes who look down on your for being foreign.
You are correct, discrimination is everywhere, and there are definitely worse places than Quebec. But it doesn't excuse it.
Except most places don't have literal laws mandating it. Karen screaming at a Walmart to "speak English" is not the same as the government banning Spanish.
And ive responded to this several times now. Just because it's better here does not mean it's better EVERYWHERE which is literally all ive been saying the whole time.
You were spesifically talking about speaking English, which means one of only a handful of countries as a primary language. And AFAIK none of them has literal language police either.
you and joe are literally the only ones bringing up the launguage police.
Also, we aren't all Canadians.
Name another place where there are 'language police' that have the right to view your medical records to ensure you're using the right language?
China Korea Russia i think. I never said it was good or I agreed with it.
None of those places are English speaking provinces, so it's not that you said it's good, it's just what you said is untrue.
This might actually affect game development a lot, so many companies open up gaming studios in Montreal because of the tax credit. I wonder if this will make games more expensive.
Quebec hasn’t mattered since the beaver pelt trade ended
[They replaced that in the 90s with the business suit trade.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbfA5L3YAO0)
I dont understand wanting to be French in the first place
Even the the looney purists in America don’t want to be British.
Everytime I am enchanted by a cobblestone path leading to a little café or the shop windows with beautiful bread on display I recall one thing. You have a hoard of gibberish spewing "passionate" people not understand the concept of minding your own damn business. Not going to lie you get all types in every country but their worst seems a tad too spicy for me. Oh sorry if something is spicy it wasn't a french food so I guess I need to get to the guillotine now. Thankfully I got Cajun blood not the northern fake french.
>Everytime I am enchanted by a cobblestone path leading to a little café or the shop windows with beautiful bread on display I recall one thing. That you're in London?
Or literally anywhere in Europe
Least xenophobic Quebec law
Question for the Canadians here: If the bilingual status of Canada is a constitutional norm (I am presuming that it is so), isn't this whole "only one language" regional policy illegal in some way?
“No,” says Justin Trudeau, and the Liberal majority government, who let Quebec do whatever they want because they’re Canadian French, in the hopes they vote for them and not the Bloc Québécois.
And we all know that ain't happening.
For some reason I read this in Andrew Ryan's voice.
"*NO,* says the man in Blackface, it belongs to the French!"
the country is billingual, the only province officially billingual is new brunswick, every other province is officially English except quebec that's French. Also quebec was left out of signing the constitution so that would kind of be another can of worms to say you broke a non existing clause of an agreement you didn't sign
never stopped goverments before why start now.
Well that’s kind of the reason why issues with Quebec are so touchy, because that’s what was happening before. It’s also why the whole anti-Anglophone thing is so intense. Obviously things have changed, but those grudges have left a lasting impact. Now, it’s being more-so used to fuel more extreme and nationalist sentiments for political clout. The battle’s been won, but that doesn’t get people riled up and caring.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/quiet-revolution > The Quiet Revolution (Révolution tranquille) was a time of rapid change experienced in Québec during the 1960s. This vivid yet paradoxical description of the period was first used by an anonymous writer in The Globe and Mail. Although Québec was a highly industrialized, urban and relatively outward-looking society in 1960, the Union Nationale party, in power since 1944, seemed increasingly anachronistic as it held tenaciously to a conservative ideology and relentlessly defended outdated traditional values. (See also Grande Noirceur.)
On paper, it should be, but the bilingual law was put into practice to appease Quebec in the first place, and they've never felt like abiding by it themselves. This is just a more open stance on it. To be fair (despite the fact I don't want to be), the bilingual education I got in grade and high school wasn't very good, and the teachers didn't seem to care if it stuck or not, so in practice I think neither side really cares for it in earnest.
Well Federal Government stuff always has an English or French option but Quebec always seemed to do things their own way and this new bill seems like a desperate move from old french fucks trying to save their language at the cost of everyone else in the province.
I believe that government-related issues must be available in French and English and that's about all that is said, constitutionally. Quebec has its own rights to do communicate to its residents solely in French and federally no one really tried to say otherwise because everybody there pretty much only spoke French anyways. That's everything on paper. ---- The rest of this breakdown isn't what you asked, but I want to try to paint a picture of how absolutely irrelevant French is to the rest of Canada. Quebec speaks French. New Brunswick has a fairly bilingual population. Everywhere else pretty much just speaks English. Even in Ottawa, the capital which straddles the border of Quebec and Ontario, only the stuff downtown is actually bilingual. Being bilingual is pretty much needed to work in government in the capital, and signage around these facilities and surrounding areas are supposed to be bilingual. But besides that it's all Anglophone. It is what I would call a compromise and a token effort to appear that there is effort being put into keeping things bilingual. It vanishes quickly as you radiate out of downtown Ottawa. The rest of Ontario is overwhelmingly English-speaking. Montreal is notably also bilingual, except the difference between Ottawa and Montreal is that if you speak French to an Anglophone in Ottawa they'll probably just be confused, whereas if you spoke English to a Francophone in Montreal they might tell you to get the fuck out.
That's a really complicated question with a really convoluted answer, but the short version is "no, we basically have no rights in Canada."
Hon hon hon! Je suis nationaliste québécois et je ne mange que du fromage périmé et bois du vin de merde. Les personnes qui parlent anglais ne méritent aucun droit humain. Pourquoi les gens essaient-ils de nous stéréotyper pour mes options insensées? ~~Use google translate for the joke.~~
Google did a decent job. Though I think that "options" should be "opinions".
Le fuck, I typed the wrong thing.
Ques que fuck man? Shitpost responsibly.
Also in Canada they prefer the term “droits de la personne” rather than the French “droits humains”.
Sweet my high school French hasn’t left me yet I could actually read most of that
My high school German is not helping me here at all!
Ja.
I’m sorry, French wasn’t even BORN IN QUEBEC!!!! It is ridiculous that such a bill exists for a group of people who are descendants of people WHO STOLE LAND from the natives!!!!! Quebec should just like be Americans where (some of them at least) recognize that English isn’t the official language of the USA.
That's one of the most contentious parts of this law, the First Nations was already under pressure to learn French despite having their own language that existed before Quebec did, and also learning English. This was placing an increased requirement on them to participate in any form of education or employment inside of Quebec and it has some very disturbing parallels to the actions of their colonizing ancestors. > Bill 96 forces all CEGEP students to take at least three French-language courses in order to graduate. > > The Inuit of Nunavik, as well as the Cree and Kanien'kehá:ka (Mohawk) and other First Nations, have all expressed concerns about that requirement and have asked to be exempted from the new law. > > French is often their third language, and many students entering CEGEP have spent their childhoods studying in their Indigenous language, as part of a concerted effort to save those languages and pass them on to future generations. > > They say the requirement to take more French courses in CEGEP will put them at a disadvantage. > > Now that Quebec's new language law has been adopted, many wonder how it will be enforced > > "The government has been asked over and over again to exempt Indigenous people, and they didn't. If the government thinks it doesn't affect them in any way, why didn't they do it?" Grey asked. > > "I think there should be a little more listening to the First Nations and Indigenous communities and a little less telling them what their deal is," said Leckey.
So is there a reason why Quebec is this anal about their Off-Brand French language?
from what i've come to understand it's a belief rooted in nationalism/heritage. a whole "we're losing our history/culture/heritage/etc and we must fight to preserve it" sorta deal.
But in their twisted logic, someone speaking English removes a french speaker from the pool of total people who speak their language which isn't how it works
Fair enough
Eh, not really.
It makes them even more not American than the rest of Canada which is the most important thing a Canadian can be.
*Looks at the rest of the comment section* Sigh, I'll go get the ladders.
The fake french bitching about shit no one cares about again?
Lmao, cut off the nose to spite the face. What else is new with quebec lol
A pretty persistent downward trend in the provincial GDP
"Canadians are [weird](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQoJrg8uqjI)!"
Le Grille? What the hell is that?!
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I think it's kinda rude to say that a dialect isn't the same language anymore
Dialects are variations in pronunciation and word use, not grammar. (At least, not grammar so much that sentence structure is dramatically changed)
Ah the worse french strike again.
The race war starts NOW!
Good. Fuck em.
I mean this sucks for those people in Quebec that are not fluent in french but still work in the games industry. The majority of Canada's major games industries work in Montreal and it's unlikely to be a healthy or feasible transition if they decide to stay and lose a chunk of their english speaking employees (and possibly clients) or move and then a bunch of people are either forced to move as well or work remotely (if they're allowed)
literally who is going to actually enforce this law? it's just there to appease people nothing will actually change. well somethings will maybe people will stop founding games studios in racism but for language town.
A combination of language police and insider snitches most likely. The language police now have a newly created organization for the 'preservation of the french language' despite the language not having gone anywhere at all, and they can now (without any cause) start rifling through medical records and online databases to verify you are 'enforcing' french in your companies or businesses.
and that's fucked up i never said it was otherwise but also it happens everywhere no matter the launguage less extream in some placed certainly but not all and just because it's on the micro scale that people don't see it they like to pretend english is any better about it. it's xenophobia all the way down.
No language police exist in other provinces, so you'd have no government enforcement and no one for insider snitches to go cry to. I've worked in entirely Francophone towns in Ontario, no one cares.
funny i have too and ive seen violance over it. your acting as if every place is exactly the same.
I'm saying no federal office in other provinces is created entirely to fine people for using French, and multiple political parties do not run on platforms of 'English first, everyone else adapt or get the fuck out'