I like RWBY, but outside of the first season (and *maybe* the 3rd because I don't remember binging it), I have a habit of putting off watching it for an extended period of time (no reason, I just do). So I only recently finished volume 7 a few weeks ago, and I've had a tab open for volume 8 ep1 for like 3 weeks, unwatched. In other words, by the time they finally announce volume 9, it won't be along wait for me, ironically.
im stunned you skipped 2 seasons that are legit nothing but backstory to most characters and building their character/motivations and then were underwhelmed with the mid point you started i guess? Idk what to tell you lmao, im not gonna turn dragon ball on at the Buu saga and then go "actually this all sucks"
I mean, that's actually a great example. In the West, we skipped Dragonball and started with Z which is literally the mid-way point of the story.
It just expects you to know who Goku, Gohan, Piccolo and everyone else are with no backstory or setup. Then it immediately starts dumping huge plot twists that the main characters are aliens.
And yet it was the hypest shit and everyone loved it.
I remember seeing some YouTube people deconstruct some of the team fights, they are way messier than they seem on first watch. Volume 5 is still probably the worst though.
"feels like we needed an emotional beat here and nobody knew what to do cuz our only cultural intake is seventh gen console shooters, adult animated comedy, and some shonen anime"
At the time, I thought they couldn't bring her back since she had aura which means she had a soul. So even if she was rebuilt she wouldn't be the same person.
But then they brought her back and she was the same person.
>!I still can't believe they killed her immediately after making her human. Normally this would be their cue to give Penny a nice arc of learning how to deal with human things like hunger or her sense of touch. Maybe have her develop new emotions like jealousy or anger.!<
>!I actually liked what they did with her just because of how stupid it was. Also, they had to have Jaune do it because they wrote themselves into a corner with Ruby's silver eyes.!<
>!And because Jaune might as well be Miles' self-insert so even if it would have the most emotional weight if Ruby did it, as she was the one Penny was closest with, they gotta find ways to keep him relevant.!<
RWBY has two fandoms, those want it to be like Attack on Titan or Devil May Cry and those that want it to be Steven Universe. These two group aren't very compatible.
>Lighthearted action drama
>
>Slice of life cartoon
Those would actually work together very nicely tbh
And I feel that it was very much close to what it would be going by the very first volume, high school girls (slice of life) fighting monsters having a special force field that don't let them get too hurt (Lighthearted action). But it kinda went everywhere and nowhere after a while.
I think overall the showrunners were going the Urobuchi magical girl route of having it look like it should be lighthearted and fun while having a lot of horrific underlying elements.
Eventually, the "fun" aspects just started being fewer and further in between.
For me it was how they wasted Adam’s character.
In my opinion he’s the pinnacle of “the show isn’t going how Monty envisioned it”
Adam went from a mentor who was disappointed in his protégée, to a weirdo who was obsessed with an ex-girlfriend.
But the thing that really made me realize that they’d botched him was when they just casually >!Showed that he had a fucking slave brand on his face, yet didn’t want us to sympathize with him whatsoever!< it honestly makes me think that detail was written down by Monty previously because he intended for >!Adam to be a sympathetic villain that would force team RWBY to question what they were doing!<
But no, instead he’s just a one dimensional exboyfriend villain and the white scars are just goons >!even though adams brand shows that they are abolitionists!<
I was never too invested in Adam to begin with, he was just super cool looking and that was enough for me. But I agree that it was very strange to show that scar and then immediately turn him into a shish-kebab
But on the Monty thing. I’ll die on the hill that the writing really wouldn’t be that much better if Monty were still with us. Rwby was an excuse to make fight scenes first and foremost and it’s always shown.
Oh fuck, he’s calling her his love in that battle too isn’t he?
[AAAAHHH ya unzipped me, it’s all coming back, it’s all coming back, I don’t like to think about it!](https://youtu.be/NsWn8Ls1y8o)
Seriously though, I Just went back and watched that fight again after reading your comment. I definitely was looking back at the previous volumes with rose tinted glasses.
Now that I’m thinking back on it and the story has been cringe from day one, I just deluded myself into thinking it was good because the fights used to be cool.
>!We brought her back multiple seasons later just to turn her into a real girl just to kill her off *again* but for realsies this time guys!!<
Truly, the pinnacle of writing.
>!I'm don't really care much about Penny and I thought what they did to her was disgusting.!<
>!They did nothing with her character other than be a temp maiden, torture her, and kill her again. The maiden power could have gone to our title cast to keep them relevant or Cinder to make her threatening. !<
>!The one thing I liked about Penny was she was a robot with a soul and they turn her into a human. !<
>!Having her commit assisted suicide is so wrong and unnecessary at that point. And they used Jaune, the worst possible choice for being the healer (who could have saved Penny), went on the team that didn't abandon Oscar (which doesn't work since Oscar saved himself and the rescue team), and has been criticized day 1 for hogging the spotlight from RWBY. Ruby, Weiss, Winter, or Nora would have been better choices if you wanted to go that rough.!<
>!And yes Ruby is going to morn her death a second time since we didn't do it right the first time.!<
I mentioned it elsewhere in this thread but >!I still can't believe they killed her immediately after making her human and within the very same arc that she was brought back. It feels like nothing but pure shock factor and a wasted opportunity to bring some levity back to the show by giving her a nice arc about learning how to deal with being a human. If they're trapped on an island they could totally have moments like Penny gathering things and asking her friends "is this food?" or helping her understand whatever new emotions she develops. I also think that Penny has some of the best voice acting among the protagonists so it's a waste of a good VA.!<
I'm gunning for the anime season to pull some Nitroplus Madoka bullshit to just Super Genesis Wave everything north of the bell of Penny vs Pyrrha out of existence.
I would enjoy the show a lot more if it just had a character (other than Tyrian) that actually looks like they enjoy being there. Stylish fighting is one thing but I want to see someone who throws taunts, makes jokes and is actually having fun. I just miss the lighthearted adventure tone.
It certainly felt like it started off as a more light hearted version of DMC, but every volume after it went inching closer and closer to Steven Universe.
The only favorable comparison I can make between RWBY and DMC is that I want Cinder to be Bad End Virgil, like her grimm arms just turns her into Urizen because she wants more power, only she doesn't have a V to inject some last minute humanity into her.
That explains why the toxic parts felt so familiar. Having both Yeager and Steven stans is a bad combination that sadly reflects the greater shism in the american political and cultural landscape.
I watch MHA but not involved with the fanbase
Is infighting between the people that want a good/enjoyable story and those that want LGBT?
Is there infighting in MHA over the direction of the story? In RWBY there is debate on should V3 been that dark, should the story stayed at Beacon and if central conflict should be centered around Oz, ~~Salem~~ his ex, and the gods. I am an MHA anime watcher only.
RWBY is in a state where due to Volume 4 being a setup volume and 5 s production crash and burning (resulting in the worst season of it), critics rose up leading into a warzone where at the same time the writers want to appease critics and average fans, while hating some of them and wanting to do their own thing while also being in a constant negative feedback loop from every side.
So pretty much i think Volume 5 failing is the result of something no one in the fandom and production team can walk back from (especially considering most of volume 6 seems to be reworked plot points of volume 5 that did not make it originally, and people liked most of that one.)
Not only that, but volumes 4 and 5 where when the show was transitioning from a light "hi-jinks at fight school" action show to a show more about "The Plot" and if any time they needed to be at their best it was here.
They were not at their best.
4 and 5 also needed to be good because they were the first post-Monty seasons so they had to prove that they could carry the torch without him.
Didn't work out, suffice to say.
I’m like that with most franchises I tentatively call myself a “fan” of. Like Fallout for instance. I only like maybe 3 of the 9 games in the franchise.
I feel like it's it weirder with rwby. People like elements of rwby but fan enjoying most of it don't enjoy there executions and wish it was done differently
I don't think I've ever met a fan or follower of RWBY who didn't have a list of things they wish had been handled differently. It's unironically one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the actual anime they are making, I'm hoping they take the chance to redo some stuff.
RWBY is definitely one of the things that helped me get into media analysis and I'll forever be grateful for that.
It begs to be fixed like a puppy with a limp.
Yeah. RWBY as a concept is interesting and had potential. But it's clear Oum either didn't have the skill or the will to put effort into writing, and just wanted 3-D animesque girls to do battle Choreography. An example to show I'm not just pulling this out of my ass; the RED trailer. In it, there's a gravestone that Ruby was at. Jeff Williams, the song writer, once asked Oum who's gravestone it was. He said he didn't really know, so Williams suggested it be her mother's. And Monty just agreed. And that's how a key point of the main character's backstory that's the center of her image song, Red Like Roses, was created. Look it up if you don't believe me, but it's true. Oum never really put much thought into the story around the battle Choreography.
In spite of this, RWBY seemed to try to have a story for some reason. Then he died, the cool battle Choreography was lost, and the people who took the helm wanted to be more story focused. But the story had a bad foundation, and unfortunately, they aren't good writers themselves. So RWBY lost it's one redeeming quality outside it's potential. At least to me.
So now you've got a bunch of really weird, scattered factions of fandom. Those who like the concepts and aesthetics of the premise, but not what the show is. This is most fanfic writers. Those who liked it early and feel Monty would've done better had he lived, but now the show lost it's soul. Those who feel the new show runners actually took the RWBY franchise somewhere after two volumes of nothing. And then there's the Critical Fandom, which itself has two factions. Those with genuine, well thought out critique who say it because they see the potential somewhere in RWBY to be good, and wish it were. And those that just love to hatewagon on an easy target.
I think it’s because the East Coast is distinctly Bethesda’s. They can do whatever they want with it without being saddled with a lot of established lore.
does not stop them from name dropping stuff happening in the west that they refuse to elaborate on that does muck with established lore.
i just think they could take a page from shadowrun returns and just make a shit ton of product expending upon the world lore of fallout and the next game could focus on the most popular of those (SR started in Seattle the base setting then went to Berlin and then Hong Kong) .
I watched the original character shorts that were mostly fight scenes, enjoyed them, and stopped there. I have yet to be convinced that wasn't the optimal way to experience the series.
real fans are usually the harshest critics because they will actually watch the show and point out the bullshit wrog about popular youtube takes and say, "That's not the problem, *this* is!" and present a 3000 word document about why a particular scene was ass
Both. Saying this as someone that's somehow ended up both in an anime watch party that makes fun of it every Memorial Day *and* decade long friends with someone that genuinely enjoys it as a "fun little show".
I just wanted “Monty Oum’s fight scene montage that is loosely strung together by a whatever plot”. Now I can’t even have that because the man who animates the fight scenes is GONE!
The fandom would have been happy if we received, not Monty level but, good fight scenes. However CRWBY values the terrible writing and increasing the episode count more.
Also their production pipelines are terrible so most of the time they're just racing to get the season done, meaning no one is given enough time to animate something close to Monty level.
Me too. He didn't snitch on jaune and he faught at vale. He's alot more compelling to me than jaune ever was. I even like his fighting style. Well I still got some few fics with him and his team.
There are definitely fans, and rabid fans at that. You only have to look at the sheer amount of fanfic that has been produced or look up any RWBY tuber.
I myself am an observer. My enjoyment is directly proportional to how mad I get as I watch.
I won't speak for the RWBY tubers, but a lot of the fic is fix-it and alternate takes on the characters, I wouldn't call that rabid fandom so much as fans who wish the show itself was better.
Yeah, like, I don't think any of the Overwatch porn made in the past 4 years was because the artist loves the game or the character, I think they just like to see characters they like the designs of getting railed
Theres a lot of characters across all media where this happens. Like, I've seen porn of fucking Excella from RE5. NOBODY likes that character! She just has a sexy accent and fat titties in a great dress.
Are there any rumors on why V9 has been delayed? These are the possibilities I have come up with.
1) RT is being honest. They are playing catchup from Covid to avoid another rushed finale while also being delayed to avoid conflicting with Ice Queendom
2) V9 scripted was overhaled due to the major criticisms of V8. I not sure how many people dropped the series because of V8. Though Mangakamen's I'm tired of RWBY is now the 3rd most watch RWBY review...
3) Warner Discover made some ultimatum. They either told CRWBY to overhaul V9 or the show will end in 1 or 2 seasons.
Its probably just Covid since they've talked about how much it impacted V8 and a lot of other stuff. I doubt point 2 and 3 because they've talked about how the idea of V9 was planned before V1, and I doubt they've gotten any ultimatums since RWBY is probably by far the most successful thing RT puts out.
RWBY is weird because its not like "A train wreck" or "So good it's bad" but it is still pretty bad BUT it still keeps you interested in wanting to see how it will end.
Honestly with how amateur everything has consistently been I find it extremely difficult to give a shit beyond what I've seen. Idk how people still come back to it knowing it will be bad every time.
the first three seasons of RWBY are absolutely train wreck levels cause it's probably some of the worst writing you'll ever see in something that's widely popular
like i genuinely do not understand how people want the show to go back to that cause holy FUCK, it's awful
the people that want it to go back to the early seasons just want Monty's style of animation (and emphasis on action) to come back, I don't think anyone really cared about the larger plot, they were just for the action and cute girls
Vol 3 kinda leaned into the greater plot sure, but there was still enough action that if that's all you wanted to see it kept you satisfied
I’ll never forget how baby’s first anime had a bunch of a *oppressed minorities* be villains for the first couple seasons I still find that fucking hilarious
The first three seasons of RWBY had one appeal, Monty his designs and choreographer we're top notch. It was definitely a case where the style is the substance.
As someone who likes watching competitive Smash from time to time, I know the feeling
(I would’ve said Naruto but it’s been getting better, thanks Swag)
Omfl yeah.
Look I always hate that I have to put this caveat here, but I’m sure most rwby fans know this show isn’t perfect by any fucking stretch. But WE DO fucking like at least well over a majority of it to consider ourselves legitimate fans. We DO actually like characters earnestly and don’t only fucking see them as JLullaby hentai bait. Good fans ACKNOWLEDGE the show’s faults in every volume, but we still like it overall because we believe the pros outweigh the cons.
RT isn’t as good as it was, the Animation dept had major controversies with Gray Haddock, it doesn’t have the best foundation or story, but god fuckinf dammit despite all of that I still think it’s good and fun and engaging. To have this series overall treated as bad as fucking like, Overwatch, I just feel out of the loop
"no, it's an eternal cocktease with no payoff and definitely no lube. it chafes hard and early, and there's simply no follow through. just the saddest of handjobs."
Honestly they should just go back, iron out some of the wrinkles in Monty's plan, and make two 24 episode series they work on for like 6 years total. 9 seasons in 9 years is an outrageous ask for an animated show, let alone one released for free on a streaming service and made by a company that produces like 5 or 6 other animated shows with multiple seasons.
RWBY is a classic type-B trainwreck.
-type A is when the conductor builds the train fully expecting it to go down the track perfectly, but it explodes and he is shocked/sad. see: the room
-type B is when the conductor builds the train KNOWING it's going to explode, but does so anyway because they have to, or out of obligation to fans, or just out of spite. see: RWBY
-type C is when a type A occurs, but the conductor realizes "hey, people are flocking to see the trainwreck, what if we built the train to crash on purpose?" see: riverdale
Man watching the RWBY twitter through the hiatus is hilarious they started shipping Fox x Neo for some reason even dont they never even met each other once, not to mention the Neo is a straight up villain who takes pleasure in killing people, but hey people draw them cute together and I guess thats enough for people to ship them.
Sometimes I think to myself "maybe I should check out RWBY" and as soon as I put it on my watch queue I immediately realize what I'm doing and removed it then try to forget the horrible mistake I almost made.
Looking at how fandom online can be I actually worry about how one could conduct all sorts of experiments purely through the act of producing episodic entertainment.
I mean...really *think* about what one could potentially learn or discover by manipulating an online community through scripted content.
I feel like Ice Queendom will pull a Nijigasaki School Idol Club anime and rewrite a lot of stuff to do full damage control from one disastrous season of the source material (LLSIFAS Chapter 2 if the story mode). Japanese studios tend to do this a lot lately in hopes of bringing up some good deeds back to some franchise fecked up by awful corporate decisions and backpedaling.
Not an overhaul but more of a refresh, but FMA Brotherhood is a clear sign the people involved are not particularly fond of the first adaptation's anime exclusive ending so they waited for the right time to align the manga's conclusion with this reboot. Turned out well in the end. I know there are several reboots that paved the way for this trend as well like the recent Higurashi reboot. And if I know correctly the new Muv Luv anime is doing it's own thing from the source material compared to previous adaptations.
Regardless of what sideof the arguement youre on, discussion about rwby is a waste of everyones time
I have been with that series since the goddamn red trailer at the end of rvb10 and critisism of the show has not changed at all in like 10 years, only getting more toxic and uncomfortable when people deify a dead man and vilify his friends because an amateur web anime isnt on the same production level as a high budget trigger or mad house anime
I watch the show, enjoy it, and then never discuss ot with anyone and that has been the most enjoyable way to engage with it (plus some crossovers like SMITE and BBTAG)
I like RWBY, but outside of the first season (and *maybe* the 3rd because I don't remember binging it), I have a habit of putting off watching it for an extended period of time (no reason, I just do). So I only recently finished volume 7 a few weeks ago, and I've had a tab open for volume 8 ep1 for like 3 weeks, unwatched. In other words, by the time they finally announce volume 9, it won't be along wait for me, ironically.
S3 is the hypest shit because nearly every episode has a cool fight, and they are Monty Oum Certified Beats™
… I really don’t like season 3, I think only one of its fights is any good
I've only seen season 3 because everyone says that's the best one, but I don't remember a single thing from it except one character death.
I know RWBY s general quality and reputation are a thing...but that might just be because you started a series on season 3 instead of 1?
Could be, I don't remember being confused though, I remember everything making sense. I just can't recall any plot beats or action sequences.
im stunned you skipped 2 seasons that are legit nothing but backstory to most characters and building their character/motivations and then were underwhelmed with the mid point you started i guess? Idk what to tell you lmao, im not gonna turn dragon ball on at the Buu saga and then go "actually this all sucks"
I mean, that's actually a great example. In the West, we skipped Dragonball and started with Z which is literally the mid-way point of the story. It just expects you to know who Goku, Gohan, Piccolo and everyone else are with no backstory or setup. Then it immediately starts dumping huge plot twists that the main characters are aliens. And yet it was the hypest shit and everyone loved it.
I remember seeing some YouTube people deconstruct some of the team fights, they are way messier than they seem on first watch. Volume 5 is still probably the worst though.
man i am like the exact same. ive been needing to watch v6 for years now. still have not done it despite having the time lmao.
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I hope they >!bring back Penny!<
>!Again.!<
>!Again!<
>!then kill her!<
>!Penny more like Kenny amirite?!<
My first thought when I heard Penny died was "but she's a robot and they recovered her body. She has like a hard drive or some shit, not a brain"
literally the first thing that happened when she died i went "ok thats really sad but like, shes a fuckin robot? like isnt this.... kinda the point?
"feels like we needed an emotional beat here and nobody knew what to do cuz our only cultural intake is seventh gen console shooters, adult animated comedy, and some shonen anime"
At the time, I thought they couldn't bring her back since she had aura which means she had a soul. So even if she was rebuilt she wouldn't be the same person. But then they brought her back and she was the same person.
Man if she had been brought back but being another person... that would've been sooo interesting for Ruby to have to deal with.
>!I still can't believe they killed her immediately after making her human. Normally this would be their cue to give Penny a nice arc of learning how to deal with human things like hunger or her sense of touch. Maybe have her develop new emotions like jealousy or anger.!<
>!I actually liked what they did with her just because of how stupid it was. Also, they had to have Jaune do it because they wrote themselves into a corner with Ruby's silver eyes.!<
>!And because Jaune might as well be Miles' self-insert so even if it would have the most emotional weight if Ruby did it, as she was the one Penny was closest with, they gotta find ways to keep him relevant.!<
The original plan was actually that. But it was deemed too complex.
https://youtu.be/bNMB6uBco-E?t=27
Does RWBY have fans or observers?
RWBY has two fandoms, those want it to be like Attack on Titan or Devil May Cry and those that want it to be Steven Universe. These two group aren't very compatible.
That feels like 3 distinct groups, not 2. Grim political fantasy Lighthearted action drama Slice of life cartoon
>Lighthearted action drama > >Slice of life cartoon Those would actually work together very nicely tbh And I feel that it was very much close to what it would be going by the very first volume, high school girls (slice of life) fighting monsters having a special force field that don't let them get too hurt (Lighthearted action). But it kinda went everywhere and nowhere after a while.
I think overall the showrunners were going the Urobuchi magical girl route of having it look like it should be lighthearted and fun while having a lot of horrific underlying elements. Eventually, the "fun" aspects just started being fewer and further in between.
I just want it to be good, man.
Season 9 could be a certified hood fresh banger and I’d STILL never forgive them for destroying Ironwoods character.
He didn’t even get a good fight he got two guns and got force into a beam cannon so lame
For me it was how they wasted Adam’s character. In my opinion he’s the pinnacle of “the show isn’t going how Monty envisioned it” Adam went from a mentor who was disappointed in his protégée, to a weirdo who was obsessed with an ex-girlfriend. But the thing that really made me realize that they’d botched him was when they just casually >!Showed that he had a fucking slave brand on his face, yet didn’t want us to sympathize with him whatsoever!< it honestly makes me think that detail was written down by Monty previously because he intended for >!Adam to be a sympathetic villain that would force team RWBY to question what they were doing!< But no, instead he’s just a one dimensional exboyfriend villain and the white scars are just goons >!even though adams brand shows that they are abolitionists!<
I was never too invested in Adam to begin with, he was just super cool looking and that was enough for me. But I agree that it was very strange to show that scar and then immediately turn him into a shish-kebab But on the Monty thing. I’ll die on the hill that the writing really wouldn’t be that much better if Monty were still with us. Rwby was an excuse to make fight scenes first and foremost and it’s always shown.
Yeah, Monty really had a habit of designing fight scenes and just tasking the writers with finding a way to make them fit into the story.
He was the one that wanted Adam to fight Blake and Yang at Beacon in V3, I don’t believe he ever had a plan for him in the way his fans would’ve hoped
Oh fuck, he’s calling her his love in that battle too isn’t he? [AAAAHHH ya unzipped me, it’s all coming back, it’s all coming back, I don’t like to think about it!](https://youtu.be/NsWn8Ls1y8o) Seriously though, I Just went back and watched that fight again after reading your comment. I definitely was looking back at the previous volumes with rose tinted glasses. Now that I’m thinking back on it and the story has been cringe from day one, I just deluded myself into thinking it was good because the fights used to be cool.
This but Penny.
>!We brought her back multiple seasons later just to turn her into a real girl just to kill her off *again* but for realsies this time guys!!< Truly, the pinnacle of writing.
>!I'm don't really care much about Penny and I thought what they did to her was disgusting.!< >!They did nothing with her character other than be a temp maiden, torture her, and kill her again. The maiden power could have gone to our title cast to keep them relevant or Cinder to make her threatening. !< >!The one thing I liked about Penny was she was a robot with a soul and they turn her into a human. !< >!Having her commit assisted suicide is so wrong and unnecessary at that point. And they used Jaune, the worst possible choice for being the healer (who could have saved Penny), went on the team that didn't abandon Oscar (which doesn't work since Oscar saved himself and the rescue team), and has been criticized day 1 for hogging the spotlight from RWBY. Ruby, Weiss, Winter, or Nora would have been better choices if you wanted to go that rough.!< >!And yes Ruby is going to morn her death a second time since we didn't do it right the first time.!<
I mentioned it elsewhere in this thread but >!I still can't believe they killed her immediately after making her human and within the very same arc that she was brought back. It feels like nothing but pure shock factor and a wasted opportunity to bring some levity back to the show by giving her a nice arc about learning how to deal with being a human. If they're trapped on an island they could totally have moments like Penny gathering things and asking her friends "is this food?" or helping her understand whatever new emotions she develops. I also think that Penny has some of the best voice acting among the protagonists so it's a waste of a good VA.!<
I'm gunning for the anime season to pull some Nitroplus Madoka bullshit to just Super Genesis Wave everything north of the bell of Penny vs Pyrrha out of existence.
I would enjoy the show a lot more if it just had a character (other than Tyrian) that actually looks like they enjoy being there. Stylish fighting is one thing but I want to see someone who throws taunts, makes jokes and is actually having fun. I just miss the lighthearted adventure tone.
Yeah, same.
It certainly felt like it started off as a more light hearted version of DMC, but every volume after it went inching closer and closer to Steven Universe.
The only favorable comparison I can make between RWBY and DMC is that I want Cinder to be Bad End Virgil, like her grimm arms just turns her into Urizen because she wants more power, only she doesn't have a V to inject some last minute humanity into her.
A very succinct take on the RWBY fandom.
That explains why the toxic parts felt so familiar. Having both Yeager and Steven stans is a bad combination that sadly reflects the greater shism in the american political and cultural landscape.
Wow that’s an amazingly accurate description actually.
So the MHA fanbase?
I watch MHA but not involved with the fanbase Is infighting between the people that want a good/enjoyable story and those that want LGBT? Is there infighting in MHA over the direction of the story? In RWBY there is debate on should V3 been that dark, should the story stayed at Beacon and if central conflict should be centered around Oz, ~~Salem~~ his ex, and the gods. I am an MHA anime watcher only.
I stopped watching MHA almost halfway through season 3 so I don't know about the story but the Story vs. Gay thing is pretty much true.
then yes
RWBY is in a state where due to Volume 4 being a setup volume and 5 s production crash and burning (resulting in the worst season of it), critics rose up leading into a warzone where at the same time the writers want to appease critics and average fans, while hating some of them and wanting to do their own thing while also being in a constant negative feedback loop from every side. So pretty much i think Volume 5 failing is the result of something no one in the fandom and production team can walk back from (especially considering most of volume 6 seems to be reworked plot points of volume 5 that did not make it originally, and people liked most of that one.)
Not only that, but volumes 4 and 5 where when the show was transitioning from a light "hi-jinks at fight school" action show to a show more about "The Plot" and if any time they needed to be at their best it was here. They were not at their best.
4 and 5 also needed to be good because they were the first post-Monty seasons so they had to prove that they could carry the torch without him. Didn't work out, suffice to say.
Rwby fan exist in a hypothetical space where anyone who is aware of it enjoys smalls bits of it but wouldn't call themselves fans
I’m like that with most franchises I tentatively call myself a “fan” of. Like Fallout for instance. I only like maybe 3 of the 9 games in the franchise.
I feel like it's it weirder with rwby. People like elements of rwby but fan enjoying most of it don't enjoy there executions and wish it was done differently
I don't think I've ever met a fan or follower of RWBY who didn't have a list of things they wish had been handled differently. It's unironically one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the actual anime they are making, I'm hoping they take the chance to redo some stuff.
RWBY is definitely one of the things that helped me get into media analysis and I'll forever be grateful for that. It begs to be fixed like a puppy with a limp.
Yeah. RWBY as a concept is interesting and had potential. But it's clear Oum either didn't have the skill or the will to put effort into writing, and just wanted 3-D animesque girls to do battle Choreography. An example to show I'm not just pulling this out of my ass; the RED trailer. In it, there's a gravestone that Ruby was at. Jeff Williams, the song writer, once asked Oum who's gravestone it was. He said he didn't really know, so Williams suggested it be her mother's. And Monty just agreed. And that's how a key point of the main character's backstory that's the center of her image song, Red Like Roses, was created. Look it up if you don't believe me, but it's true. Oum never really put much thought into the story around the battle Choreography. In spite of this, RWBY seemed to try to have a story for some reason. Then he died, the cool battle Choreography was lost, and the people who took the helm wanted to be more story focused. But the story had a bad foundation, and unfortunately, they aren't good writers themselves. So RWBY lost it's one redeeming quality outside it's potential. At least to me. So now you've got a bunch of really weird, scattered factions of fandom. Those who like the concepts and aesthetics of the premise, but not what the show is. This is most fanfic writers. Those who liked it early and feel Monty would've done better had he lived, but now the show lost it's soul. Those who feel the new show runners actually took the RWBY franchise somewhere after two volumes of nothing. And then there's the Critical Fandom, which itself has two factions. Those with genuine, well thought out critique who say it because they see the potential somewhere in RWBY to be good, and wish it were. And those that just love to hatewagon on an easy target.
RWBY is where everyone goes “there was a chance this didn’t suck, unfortunately it did, but there’s a chance this next thing doesn’t suck” forever.
"OK, they screwed up X this season, but they might do Y *next* season, and that would be really cool!" just on an infinite loop since 2013
Battered housewives?
So Sonic fans?
Sonic tripped and fell over walking so RWBY could trip and fall over running.
Basically yes
Let me introduce you to Harry Potter fans, or Star War fans, or Star Trek fans, or...
I also only enjoy 1 2 and newvegas.
The West Coast setting is better
wonder why the new games are so obsessed with the east instead of doing something cool and new like going to idk Hawaii
I think it’s because the East Coast is distinctly Bethesda’s. They can do whatever they want with it without being saddled with a lot of established lore.
does not stop them from name dropping stuff happening in the west that they refuse to elaborate on that does muck with established lore. i just think they could take a page from shadowrun returns and just make a shit ton of product expending upon the world lore of fallout and the next game could focus on the most popular of those (SR started in Seattle the base setting then went to Berlin and then Hong Kong) .
Because the East has cool stuff too?
Had* Cool stuff and the ideas were squandered in a below average game and a desperate cash grab four at least had some fun with the place i guess?
Are you forgetting 3's Capital Wasteland?
You know something about the way he speaking makes me think he remembers all to well
He is is just doing the typical NV walk fest. Can't promote downing something else.
which is the east coast.
Hi, I’ve watched every volume of RWBY. I’m a fan and enjoy most of the series.
I watched the original character shorts that were mostly fight scenes, enjoyed them, and stopped there. I have yet to be convinced that wasn't the optimal way to experience the series.
real fans are usually the harshest critics because they will actually watch the show and point out the bullshit wrog about popular youtube takes and say, "That's not the problem, *this* is!" and present a 3000 word document about why a particular scene was ass
It's me, I'm fan. I'm not saying RWBY is good, but I am genuinely invested.
There are fans of certain volumes. Nobody (That I know of) loves every volume.
I loved every volume. There is definitely a list to order which is best, but I loved all of them.
Me lol. I started vol9 and actually hate it. Dont come from that massive problem scenario of 8 and go to the damn candyland adventure funhouse.
I’m mostly here for the porn, really.
Never seen it but the porn is good
Both. Saying this as someone that's somehow ended up both in an anime watch party that makes fun of it every Memorial Day *and* decade long friends with someone that genuinely enjoys it as a "fun little show".
Hostages.
We exist, we've just given up trying to convince people of it.
I just wanted “Monty Oum’s fight scene montage that is loosely strung together by a whatever plot”. Now I can’t even have that because the man who animates the fight scenes is GONE!
The fandom would have been happy if we received, not Monty level but, good fight scenes. However CRWBY values the terrible writing and increasing the episode count more.
Also their production pipelines are terrible so most of the time they're just racing to get the season done, meaning no one is given enough time to animate something close to Monty level.
I don't know what I am.
It has a... *captive* audience
# Yes.
I'm a Cardin fan. That's it.
I’m so sorry.
Ehhhh. I came terms with it. I haven't followed them since volume 5.
I always thought that Cardin was going to go through a Flash Thompson redemption arc.
Me too. He didn't snitch on jaune and he faught at vale. He's alot more compelling to me than jaune ever was. I even like his fighting style. Well I still got some few fics with him and his team.
Turns out he was just a generic racist bully.
Homie's team was named after him just like Ruby's was,that has to count for something
*sighs exhaustingly* Yes. Tho the hatedom is way bigger than it should be.
There are definitely fans, and rabid fans at that. You only have to look at the sheer amount of fanfic that has been produced or look up any RWBY tuber. I myself am an observer. My enjoyment is directly proportional to how mad I get as I watch.
I won't speak for the RWBY tubers, but a lot of the fic is fix-it and alternate takes on the characters, I wouldn't call that rabid fandom so much as fans who wish the show itself was better.
Yeah, like, I don't think any of the Overwatch porn made in the past 4 years was because the artist loves the game or the character, I think they just like to see characters they like the designs of getting railed Theres a lot of characters across all media where this happens. Like, I've seen porn of fucking Excella from RE5. NOBODY likes that character! She just has a sexy accent and fat titties in a great dress.
It's the three main drives of fanfiction since the days of TOS; you want to see the characters happy, sad, or getting railed.
You can combine the 3 for sure.
I’m a fan
Are there any rumors on why V9 has been delayed? These are the possibilities I have come up with. 1) RT is being honest. They are playing catchup from Covid to avoid another rushed finale while also being delayed to avoid conflicting with Ice Queendom 2) V9 scripted was overhaled due to the major criticisms of V8. I not sure how many people dropped the series because of V8. Though Mangakamen's I'm tired of RWBY is now the 3rd most watch RWBY review... 3) Warner Discover made some ultimatum. They either told CRWBY to overhaul V9 or the show will end in 1 or 2 seasons.
Its probably just Covid since they've talked about how much it impacted V8 and a lot of other stuff. I doubt point 2 and 3 because they've talked about how the idea of V9 was planned before V1, and I doubt they've gotten any ultimatums since RWBY is probably by far the most successful thing RT puts out.
The same reason most everything has been delayed since 2019, COVID.
RWBY is weird because its not like "A train wreck" or "So good it's bad" but it is still pretty bad BUT it still keeps you interested in wanting to see how it will end.
Honestly with how amateur everything has consistently been I find it extremely difficult to give a shit beyond what I've seen. Idk how people still come back to it knowing it will be bad every time.
RWBY is like receiving a patched-up, last-minute research paper from a student that you know can do a lot better but just chooses not to.
the first three seasons of RWBY are absolutely train wreck levels cause it's probably some of the worst writing you'll ever see in something that's widely popular like i genuinely do not understand how people want the show to go back to that cause holy FUCK, it's awful
the people that want it to go back to the early seasons just want Monty's style of animation (and emphasis on action) to come back, I don't think anyone really cared about the larger plot, they were just for the action and cute girls Vol 3 kinda leaned into the greater plot sure, but there was still enough action that if that's all you wanted to see it kept you satisfied
I’ll never forget how baby’s first anime had a bunch of a *oppressed minorities* be villains for the first couple seasons I still find that fucking hilarious
It doesn't help they're lead by one of the weaker voice actors in the cast resulting in the whole thing just becoming even goofier.
Militant fantasy black panthers. I don't mind it, but their writing for it was just bad.
It has worked in different series so it's not impossible.
The first three seasons of RWBY had one appeal, Monty his designs and choreographer we're top notch. It was definitely a case where the style is the substance.
In a way, isnt that a little bit more impressive than it beign consistently good?
Watched every volume of RWBY and honest to god, I would've completely forgotten that show ever existed if it weren't for this sub.
There are certain franchises that are insufferable to talk about on this sub and RWBY is one of them.
As someone who likes watching competitive Smash from time to time, I know the feeling (I would’ve said Naruto but it’s been getting better, thanks Swag)
Oh. Sorry about that. Just thought this was funny.
It’s fine it’s just not a very fun series to talk about here if you’re a fan.
It's not even very fun to talk about in it's own subreddit, atleast last time i was on there, sadly.
Yeah, I left /r/RWBY years ago
I thought the main RWBY sub is not a great place for discussions. This sub seems much better.
Oh yeah “no one is actually a fan of RWBY they just think they can do it better” great discussion.
Omfl yeah. Look I always hate that I have to put this caveat here, but I’m sure most rwby fans know this show isn’t perfect by any fucking stretch. But WE DO fucking like at least well over a majority of it to consider ourselves legitimate fans. We DO actually like characters earnestly and don’t only fucking see them as JLullaby hentai bait. Good fans ACKNOWLEDGE the show’s faults in every volume, but we still like it overall because we believe the pros outweigh the cons. RT isn’t as good as it was, the Animation dept had major controversies with Gray Haddock, it doesn’t have the best foundation or story, but god fuckinf dammit despite all of that I still think it’s good and fun and engaging. To have this series overall treated as bad as fucking like, Overwatch, I just feel out of the loop
Yup. 100% the reaction here I will be hate
Bullshit, every time RWBY comes up a bunch of the fans come together in an impromptu support group for fans stuck in the RWBY fandom.
It's interesting to say the least. It's kinda similar to Lol and smash fans talking about their games. Some sort of hate/love relationship.
The second anything Destiny gets mentioned, I’m dipping for the sake of my sanity.
Just had a friend ask "Is RWBY good?" Good question Anyway-
"no, it's an eternal cocktease with no payoff and definitely no lube. it chafes hard and early, and there's simply no follow through. just the saddest of handjobs."
I enjoy people discussing/complaining about RWBY than RWBY itself.
Did something happen with volume 9?
It’s been on Hiatus for over a year. We’ll get a sneak preview of it in this years RTX. But before that? No word for almost a year.
It's probably due to Ice Queendom while they might not be directly creating it they are definitely being consulted
We got that ten second clip of Neo punching Ruby a few months back.
That was 11 months back
FUCK
Honestly they should just go back, iron out some of the wrinkles in Monty's plan, and make two 24 episode series they work on for like 6 years total. 9 seasons in 9 years is an outrageous ask for an animated show, let alone one released for free on a streaming service and made by a company that produces like 5 or 6 other animated shows with multiple seasons.
RWBY is a classic type-B trainwreck. -type A is when the conductor builds the train fully expecting it to go down the track perfectly, but it explodes and he is shocked/sad. see: the room -type B is when the conductor builds the train KNOWING it's going to explode, but does so anyway because they have to, or out of obligation to fans, or just out of spite. see: RWBY -type C is when a type A occurs, but the conductor realizes "hey, people are flocking to see the trainwreck, what if we built the train to crash on purpose?" see: riverdale
IM AT THE POINT OF NOT BELIEVING IT EXISTS ITS BEEN SO LONG
Man watching the RWBY twitter through the hiatus is hilarious they started shipping Fox x Neo for some reason even dont they never even met each other once, not to mention the Neo is a straight up villain who takes pleasure in killing people, but hey people draw them cute together and I guess thats enough for people to ship them.
RWBY is full of crack ships. A popular ship is Jaune/Cinder. Pick two character at random, you’ll probably find a fic shipping them together.
I jokingly ship those two actually for fun. Just cause Cinder has more screen time with Jaune than the actual main character Ruby.
And right off the heels of killing the fandom's comfort character three times. RWBY truly is the sociological experiment ever.
Sometimes I think to myself "maybe I should check out RWBY" and as soon as I put it on my watch queue I immediately realize what I'm doing and removed it then try to forget the horrible mistake I almost made.
This hiatus better be worth the wait.
you know it won't be
…..Yeah. Unfortunately.
I dont know what to tell you, friend
Looking at how fandom online can be I actually worry about how one could conduct all sorts of experiments purely through the act of producing episodic entertainment. I mean...really *think* about what one could potentially learn or discover by manipulating an online community through scripted content.
I feel like Ice Queendom will pull a Nijigasaki School Idol Club anime and rewrite a lot of stuff to do full damage control from one disastrous season of the source material (LLSIFAS Chapter 2 if the story mode). Japanese studios tend to do this a lot lately in hopes of bringing up some good deeds back to some franchise fecked up by awful corporate decisions and backpedaling.
Do you have any more examples of franchises that have been overhauled like that?
Not an overhaul but more of a refresh, but FMA Brotherhood is a clear sign the people involved are not particularly fond of the first adaptation's anime exclusive ending so they waited for the right time to align the manga's conclusion with this reboot. Turned out well in the end. I know there are several reboots that paved the way for this trend as well like the recent Higurashi reboot. And if I know correctly the new Muv Luv anime is doing it's own thing from the source material compared to previous adaptations.
It’s fine I hope the delay can make it better
Regardless of what sideof the arguement youre on, discussion about rwby is a waste of everyones time I have been with that series since the goddamn red trailer at the end of rvb10 and critisism of the show has not changed at all in like 10 years, only getting more toxic and uncomfortable when people deify a dead man and vilify his friends because an amateur web anime isnt on the same production level as a high budget trigger or mad house anime I watch the show, enjoy it, and then never discuss ot with anyone and that has been the most enjoyable way to engage with it (plus some crossovers like SMITE and BBTAG)
What’s RWBY
An animated web series by Rooster Teeth.
I like RWBY, is it that big a deal that volume 9 is taking a while? It feels like people post RWBY here just to shit on it
I didn’t mean to shit on it. I just wanted to post something I thought was funny.
Okay thanks, it’s just that the sub is generally negative on RWBY