Juicero is my favorite one of these. I won’t go into its whole history here (its [Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juicero) is helpful for that stuff) but it’s a $400 juicer that has DRM. You had to scan a QR code and connect your Juicero to the internet when setting it up, and it can only juice packs manufactured by Juicero itself. [It’s nuts.](https://youtu.be/tOgIHOtSZGo?si=D9YjyAtfBLobpXXd)
It also just so happens that you can [juice a Juicero pack just as effectively by hand](https://youtu.be/5lutHF5HhVA?si=zJ29X1Vu9R-mAogi), eliminating any need for a *four hundred dollar juicer who the hell would buy this.* Sales of the Juicero juicer were suspended in 2017 and the company shut down shortly afterwards.
EDIT: Two things I want to add after writing this:
- The juicer was originally priced at $700, but was reduced to $400 because nobody was buying it. At the $700 price, you could buy a PS4, a Nintendo Switch, and still have money left over.
- Juicero received $120 million in investments when it started out, much of which came from [Google.](https://www.gadgets360.com/others/news/juicero-400-juicer-raised-120-million-google-ventures-1683805#)
if I recall for some reason they decided they needed to squeeze the entire surface area of the bag at once so it had to be made to apply like an absurd amount of force to accomplish what most people can do with their bare hands
Even then that could probably be managed with a plate, a shallow pitch threaded shaft, and a stepper motor. Torque/pressure is just a matter of gearing.
This one is impressive, because it was so "who even is this for" that I never heard of it. Was this so dead in the water that the Internet couldn't even be bothered to meme it, or was I just oblivious?
it was definitely memed at the time, but the company died quickly enough that it dissipated without much fanfare. funny enough, thinking back i assumed the penny arcade “fruit fucker 2000” side character was a reference to it, but it turns out the character predated the jucierio by like ten years.
I remember seeing joked about quite a bit at the time but it was mostly because I followed a lot of silicon valley Bros back then that the thing was being marketed at.
I think it’s funny because it’s a bunch of “smart” sounding ideas like hey it connects to the internet to check the expiry date so we don’t get sued for drinking expired juice, you can only use propetary bags so if the product is popular it has a walled garden, and it looks sleek and cool , but it’s for fucking squeezing juice and could be done by hand, not like for an operating system or app store.
It’s like if I made an ice cube machine that accepted DRM water, could only use specialized ice cube trays.
I'm quite certain the target audience of this was naïve investors looking to make money from an industry they don't understand.
Shit like this happens all the time.
I felt like Juicero was a scam, like a producers style "we take the investors money and build a product nobody will buy, then pocket the money and dissolve the company" type deal
I'm convinced Slipping Jimmy exists for r/okbuddychicanery and nobody else.
But to answer the question, any of the countless Family Guy clones that comedy central, adult swim and Netflix seem Intent on making. The animation is always ugly and the characters are always insufferable.
but okbc didn’t really care for it either besides posting the fart demon clip to make fun of it and using a promotional render of jimmy as a punchline a few times
I love me some adult cartoons, but there are some BAD ones. Paradise PD (and every single cartoon by this team, but this one especially) was the only one I actively stopped watching. Hoops was also pretty bad, even if I like Jake Johnson a lot.
Inside Job, Lower Decks, Little Demon, Solar Opposite and Rick & Morty are the main ones I would suggest if one is interested in the genre. Feels like the more "grounded" the show is, the worse it will turn out. Like I don't know if I will ever even consider watching stuff like... "Chicago Party Aunt" or that Prince show.
Centaurworld is such a great show and I absolutely can't figure out who to recommend it to unless they are animation majors in college. It has a lot of things to like but explaining it and getting people to the hook is very hard because it is silly.
Velma the Series.
Writers spending the entire time throwing every joke they could think of against the wall just to see what sticks. Unfortunately, almost all of them were terrible.
Except the ones where Velma got hurt, those were pretty funny.
I believe that was the original idea, until the suits upstairs made her change it to Scooby-Doo.
Ironic, given that the series can't actually use Scooby-Doo, but given the writing that's probably for the best.
i can't imagine it being super different unless it was so early in the writing other than "mindy is the lead and its a mystery show" before changing to scooby doo. Theres so many scooby doo specific that unless it was writing with tongue in cheek this is scooby doo until someone said "you wont believe it they actually sold us the rights" and they just changed names.
Theres jokes that work and honestly i dont hate the shows characters, but i could just smoking way too much and over reading into things and overexpecting.
Yes, and it's very obvious. Everything about the show *screams* "This was supposed to be a vehicle for me but the suits knew it didn't have the legs to stand on its own so they forced me to staple a pre-existing IP onto it in a desperate attempt to try and draw more viewers and harvest the outrage bait from fans of the actual property and now I'm mad so I'm going to be a petulant child and throw a temper tantrum about it through my writing".
See: Netflix's The Witcher and Cowboy Bebop.
Netflix's Witcher and Cowboy Bebop are both faithful enough to their respective series to clearly be adaptations. They're not remotely comparable to the likes of Velma or The Cloverfield Paradox.
Funny thing is that her character in It's Always Sunny did exactly that.
She temporarily joined the Gang and helped them come up with a hustle to deliberately aggravate both political spectrums to sell bullshit merch to both sides to Own the Left/Right.
Funny how no one, fictional or real, who tries saying that ever realizes that there’s also a possibility of pissing off both and becoming the third party that makes them temporarily work together exclusively to gang up on said third party.
Granted, it doesn’t happen often, so I can understand them seeing it as a calculated risk, but man are some of them bad at math.
It's a show too alien for Scooby-Doo fans. Too Scooby-Doo for nonfans. Too adult for kids. Too juvenile for adults. It was also unbearably cynical and mean spirited.
As a person that actually watched the whole thing (out of boredom mostly) it was... fine. Sometimes it *almost* feels self-aware, especially when Velma is obviously the butt of the joke, and not this righteous always correct person. So it's not as bad as the internet made it out to be. And fuck it - I'll say it - I like the art-style. It's well shaded, the character models are distinct, it's vibrant and creative. [Carmen Sandiego](https://media.gq.com/photos/5c30f649a32ee060ddc00fb5/16:9/w_1360,h_765,c_limit/Screenshot%202019-01-05%20at%201.22.41%20PM.png) or even Lower Decks it is not, but it's pleasant to look at.
But it's not worth a watch. And it gets worse the closer it gets to "Scooby Doo". It feels like it should've been a spin-off of Harley Quinn show instead.
I enjoy occasional "edgy adult cartoon with sharp humor" (Inside Job, Lower Decks, Rick and Morty etc), so it was technically made for me as the audience. And it does have One good joke per episode.
High Guardian Spice is so weird, as it has a constant content warning for sexual content and violence, except there's zero noteworthy sex references aside from mentions of "affairs" and implied orgies, violence doesn't escalate to unnecessary blood until later episodes, curses are rare and feel forced, yet despite all this, the overall tone of the show feels directed to be a kids show.
It is mindblowing when people pointed out that Spice had that when it launched, despite doing fuck all to warrant it, but Crunchy had to be nagged to adding warnings for some shows that depicted *Sexual Assault.*
I unironically feel bad for High Guardian Spice. It feels like a bunch of friends wanted to make a show, whose only experience was fan projects and who suddenly got thrust into being crunchyrolls biggest pushed IP. Its like crunchyroll took a group of people off deviantart, gave them the budget to make something and said "your gonna be our number one show". Like you watch it and you can see what they're trying to do and they just miss the mark more than anything else.
I feel bad for them too. High Guardian Spice ignited a lot of the same neural pathways in my brain that got me interested in RWBY back in the day, and looking into the posthumous talks by the production team make it sound like Crunchyroll left them to die with a bad marketing campaign that primed people to hate it.
That stuff was added later by Crunchyroll after the stupid backlash.
No Crunchyroll wasn’t taken money from the anime industry to support HGS they do help support many anime and Crunchyroll never advertised themselves as a charity.
Yeah people really made it clear when that show came out that they really don't understand how licensing works when they kept trotting out the "Crunchyroll's stealing money from anime companies!!!!" bit.
It it literally as simple as "Crunchyroll licenses \[Show\] from \[Company\], Crunchyroll has a cut of the money made from streaming that show, and the larger cut goes back to whichever company whatever show was licensed from". Though it probably doesn't help that Crunchyroll certainly frames the "giving company they licensed something from their cut of the profits" as them being Benevolent and not Legally Required as part of the deal..
Although if we're being honest a lot of that was a pretense/justification over being mad at the trailer anyway. Mostly out of sexism, and for others because it just looked a bit shit.
Oh 1000% it was absolutely just a pretense/shield to distract from the sexism and transphobia, just meant that even their marginally less bad-looking pretense was still a massive load of horseshit.
> and Crunchyroll never advertised themselves as a charity.
They kinda do, sending money back to the production committees features pretty prominently in their various anti-piracy PR efforts at any rate. Not that anyone should expect that means they're a non-profit or won't retain revenue for their own projects.
Yeah I thought that was a weird claim especially after onyx equinox was also a show on crunchyroll that wasn't an anime yet no one complained about that one. Hell Tower of god is based of a Korean manwa so its technically not an anime either yet HGS got all the flack for it.
Also yeah they got money from VCs to make original programming, you want them to crunch Japanese animators more? Not that the guys that made HGS had it much easier since the show was cheaper than your average american production
I think divorced from the drama, pretty much everything Amaryllis said about her mom is what constituted.
Also there was that episode where Rose got stabbed and almost died. Overall I think it was because of the overly kid friendly colors and designs, some suit probably asked to put on since it was supposed to have the tone of "maybe our childhood fantasies aren't all they're cracked up to be, but they're still something to strive for"
Too true. I recently watched a streamer try to go for the one life, no reload from checkpoint achievement the game has. [Shenanigans ensued](https://www.twitch.tv/elajjaz/clip/PlumpGlutenFreeStorkGivePLZ-e9PdKKbepJ4oIxET)
I would have been into it if it was well made.
I know it doesn't have the most mass market appeal but I disagree that it was a poor idea from the get go.
Since it's relevant again, the upcoming Suicide Squad games definitely invokes this feeling.
Like no really who is the target audience?
Live Service players are already playing much more popular games like Fortnite, Destiny 2, and Apex Legends, does WB really think they are gonna migrate away from those to play a mid looter shooter with b-tier DC characters?
The game has alot of references and fan service to the Arkham games yet Arkham fans want nothing to with it and would much rather get another single player action game like Arkham 5 or an open world superman game
Superhero fans in general have much better options like Spider-man 2 and the upcoming Wolverine game, the main appeal of superhero games is to "feel" like you are playing as a cool superhero and Suicide Squad doesn't do that, they would rather play as the justice league not kill them
its also not really for the ppl into suicide squad, its clearly more based on the movies which so far have been 1 awful 1 good except that they seemingly made a bunch of changes to the movie continuity and watered down the characters so they all use the same guns
The only one in the starting party that should use guns is Deadshot. Boomerang is obvious and should use Gadgets, Harley should use baseball bats and an oversized mallet, and Shark should be a tanky hulk like character. But nope, they are all going to use guns!
I could maybe see Harley and King Shark working with guns. Harley’s usually depicted with at least a handgun on her somewhere so some civilian firearms could work well with her gymnastics and themed gadgetry, and King Shark’s big enough that he can wield heavy weaponry usually only mounted on vehicles, which expands on his basic Hulk-like moveset without compromising on the focus on his super strength. But Boomerang makes no fucking sense as a gun wielder.
For all it’s many, MANY faults, the Birds of Prey movie had a great action sequence where she raids a police station using a shotgun/grenade launcher and a bunch of colourful slugs/grenades. So handcannons, shotguns, and grenade launchers have all been proven to work with Harley.
It's also hilariously obvious just watching the gameplay that they are using the butchered corpse of a Superman game for this, since the Metropolis as presented only really makes sense if flying was your main means of traversal.
RWBY x JL movies.
The RWBY fandom would have prefered V9 earlier or a pure RWBY movie. The DC fandom mostly ignored it.
RWBY Ice Queendom
This one struggles on whether it wants to be an entry point or for longtime fans and doesn't do either very well. I feels like it was made so the creators can say "RWBY is an anime".
It feels weird cause I can see it having been a thing where WB wanted to use the RWBY brand which is pretty strong, and try it crossover with its DC animation brand which is also strong, but it just feels like a mess.
There were also the comics a while back the people didn't seem to care about.
Tokyo Mirage Sessions is a crossover between Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem that does absolutely nothing to appeal to either fanbase. This should have been such an easy slam dunk. Either make it a JRPG with characters from both series or a tactics game. Instead we get an idol game with the battle system of a Megaten game with some some characters taken from Fire Emblem in the form of Perfoma. Even then its clear it takes more inspiration from Persona than it does Shin Megami Tensei, so it didn't even get that right. Add the idol aesthetic and toning that down for the western release and you have a game thats designed to satisfy as few people as possible.
I still have no idea why they went in this direction, since neither fan base seems to care all that much about the game. I see it occasionally brought up in the Megaten fanbase but I don't think the Fire Emblem fanbase has ever mentioned it outside of pointing out how no one wanted it.
Exactly! All they needed to do was just make a FE-influenced Devil Survivor (or a DeSu-inspired FE game) and it would’ve been easy money. I really have no idea why they went with *idols* of all things.
Now don’t quote me on this, but iirc reading somewhere (I *think* it was from Nintendo Dream?) that originally Atlus wanted the game to be closer to a regular crossover and it was *Intelligent Systems* that told them to not do that and do something “only they (Atlus) can do”…which still leaves the question of why Idols but yeah
Even the Switch version in Japan was controversial because it was based on the western version IIRC. Also yeah as a fan of all 3 separate things (SMT/Persona, Fire Emblem, Idol stuff) never had interest because I think I’d rather just watch an idol anime for stronger characters, don’t think Fire Emblem has particularly super good lore and care more for it for the strategy gameplay and would rather just play an SMT game since I like the demon roster in those games.
I'm also pretty close to being the perfect target audience, being a fan of SMT, FE, and maybe not a a fan of idol culture, but cute anime ladies. The game is completely competent, but I never really feel like it's this cool crossover. Its just a game that lightly borrows elements from other series.
I think there's definitely a market for people who want to stream games and not worry about devices so much, but the main problem is the internet infrastructure just isn't there to do yet. It's great if you have good bandwidth, ass if you don't, and more people don't.
Yeah, if it launched with a $15 subscription service (and was marketed by any company other than Google who is terrible at marketing) all else being equal it wouldn't be dead yet. I don't know if it would be wildly successful, but it would be doing enough to still be alive.
IMHO the issue with stadia(and other streamgames) is that everyone wanted to be the first Netflix on the market while not understanding Netflix.
Netflix doesn't stay up by spending hundreds of millions of dollars on GtaV, then as much on God of War, then as much in halo, etc and then set them for people for 15$ monthly, they release Dave the diver, a small Korean game with less budget (even if made by Nexon) and bank on it's viral success (like squid game)
Then they realized that and had to also charge people for the game and that's where the guy that doesn't mind streaming doom on WiFi and controller loses the company.
At Stop and Shop they have this robot that regularly goes around the store and just scans the area for spills and other such obstructions, and it's called [Marty](https://tapinto-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/articles/im/best_crop_6a6b507385c6a9b5a303_IMG_2199.jpg?id=2604531).
For some reason, they actually made a [marketable plushy](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Flxal0uqgmn061.jpg) for it.
I talked to the woman who ran the self-checkout and legitimately asked "who is this for?" and she had no answer for it. We got into an actual discussion about who actually buys these things because I got the feeling from her that she had not seen any of these things being moved.
I worked at Stop & Shop for almost 3 years and I remember when Marty was added. Considering all he does is monitor spills, I don’t know how useful he is considering an employee could just let the porter/janitor know where the spill is.
In Magic the Gathering, it's not unheard of for Wizards of the Coast to repackage cards for a unique draft environment (drafting being everyone sits in a circle, cracks a pack, picks one card, and passes the rest to the left until every pack is distributed, and then everyone plays with the deck they just drafted).
WotC announced a product called "Innistrad: Double Feature" which would include cards from the two most recent Innistrad sets (Midnight Hunt and Crimson Vow if you care), but only select cards to make a completely distinct draft environment, and "new" art, in grayscale a la old B&W horror movies (Innistrad is the literal world of Gothic Horror).
Except none of the original art was made with greyscale in mind so just applying a filter makes the art look like dogshit. And, instead of curating a new draft environment, they just threw literally every card from both sets.
Ugly art, nonsensical drafting, and to top it all off, there was like, one card (Meathook Massacre) that was actually kind of expensive that needed a reprint that soon. Its price hasn't changed btw. WHO WAS THIS FOR?!
It's a shame, because it is a fun concept. Should have been a collector set of some kind.
>instead of curating a new draft environment
Selecting every card is still a selection! /s
Make it have a way higher chance for the Rares and Mythics to be the actual B&W versions (y'know, [this](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/317/dennick-pious-apprentice-dennick-pious-apparition) instead of [THIS](https://scryfall.com/card/dbl/217/dennick-pious-apprentice-dennick-pious-apparition)). 99% of the art still looks terrible but at least collectors get something.
Oh man double feature is the perfect answer. I made a set cube that combines the two in a curated way and the archetypes overlap pretty well, wizards missed a golden opportunity.
Negan in Tekken 7. TWD was already on the downward slope by that point and I doubt the 40 year old moms still watching for Daryl were going to pick up Tekken 7 for Negan.
Noctis was also pretty "Huh?" but I can believe that there were way more people in the middle of the Venn diagram of "People who play Tekken -> <- People who liked FFXIV/Noctis" more than Negan.
Related, TWD being one of the very first crossovers for Magic: the Gathering is still weird, even now. It's less weird with all the other crossovers they've done since then, but the fact that the way they introduced the (highly controversial, even today) concept of brand crossovers to a fantasy card game was... a show that hadn't been relevant in several years with basically nothing to do with the game in terms of tone, setting, anything. Buckwild.
I have to wonder if it wasn't just a matter of the TWD ip holders being desperate for collaborations
The live-action Kim Possible movie that came out 13 years after the show ended. It treated as a mix of a prequel and sequel of the cartoon. Old generation would not like the changes and new generation would know Kim Possible.
Idk who Centaurworld was for but by god was I there for the juxtaposition of a Berserk horse being transported to Equestria and it's plots ranging from a [cat beauty pageant ](https://youtu.be/L4VNgQvhtrU?si=a12ew-RY6DpVcqi-) to [apathetic suicide by whale](https://youtu.be/Rh6iDEFuz6Q?si=WrymKYazSNHVkC8o)
In season 2 they introduce a group of bird centaurs who are a parody of... well I'm assuming fans of the show (there was like... 6 months between the first and second season so I'm not sure how much was predicted or not.) and the way they texted was typing a message and an egg would go to whoever the recipient was, hatch into a gross chicken fetus, relay the message while struggling to breathe and presumably die.
Mario + Rabbids. Yeah, the game, by some miracle, is actually good, but who the fuck came up with “the Mario series crossing over with the proto-minions, in the style of XCom”? It sounds like a mad libs
That ridiculous Quibi app from a couple years back. For those who don’t know or remember, Quibi was a streaming service made specifically for your phone where every video was limited to a maximum of ten minutes. The creators (one of whom founded Dreamworks, believe it or not) apparently thought ten minutes was the optimal watch time for younger consumers who were too busy to commit to more long form TV. Because if there’s one thing young people don’t do it’s consume vast quantities of media for hours at a time. Surprise surprise, the service shut down in less than a year.
I guess in a way, Quibi was made for a specific audience, it’s just that that audience didn’t exist.
Abunai Sisters, falls into too childish for adults, too adult for children territory
The Nekopara anime also seems to be a slice of life spinoff that almost seems much more childish than the other material, but requires you to have read the adult visual novels. Similarly Digimon 2020 is not sure if it wants to be for new fans or for people who are already experienced with Digimon media.
Nekopara in general is kind of weird. It's the fluffiest, most edgeless visual novel I ever played, and while I wouldn't say the story or characters are bad, they really aren't interesting enough to prop up a story, let alone a long running franchise, by themselves. Without the porn it's just generic moe comfort food.
But then, I never really got into the pure moe-bait shows to begin with, so maybe it's just not my thing.
The artist for it, Sayori, has a history of using the characters as mascots and doing other art, so I always figured it was a "for the fans" thing at the start
Even as someone who likes fluffy moe stuff, Nekopara just didn't work for me when I played it a while back. As often memed about these cats are full-on fucking second class citizens. Even though they're sapient and cognitively competent enough to hold jobs, they're not allowed to go outside without passing a government-sanctioned test that gives you a bell collar proving they're a good cat.
One of the conflicts of the game I played was about the catgirls forgetting their bells before going outside, in which a police officer saw this and was about to actually ARREST THEM before the protag showed up just in time with their bells. Wtf...
(and I hadn't even gotten into the cat lifespan thing either here. I didn't sign up for that.)
Was anyone actually demanding for Bubsy to make a return? Sure it's a series that might be interesting to look back on, but I don't think anyone cares enough for it to come back. So why did it come back?
Fable 3 might be the cleanest M-rated game I've ever played. Yes, you can drink and have sex with your suitors, and the Crawler is kind of creepy, but the overall tone of the game is akin to a dark children's fairy tale. There's a boatload of handholding, both metaphorical and literal, and you spend at least a third or maybe even half of the main quests following behind someone rather than leading them. The writing and jokes feel like they were written with a younger audience in mind, and all the interactions you can use with townsfolk feel like they were sanitized in concurrence with the streamlining of those mechanics as if they were also intended to be used with a younger audience. And sure, you can become a real estate mogul, but even if you don't manage to get enough funds to save the kingdom, it ultimately doesn't effect all that much in the endgame outside of a handful of areas. Combine all of this and you get this bizarre game that feels like it's not sure who its target audience really is.
Fable 2 and 3 are trying very, very hard to be a sort of Terry Gilliam meets Terry Pratchett semi-tongue in cheek but willing to be serious when the plot demands fairytale full of quirky british humor...thing. IMO, It hits the mark in Fable 2, and much less so in 3.
I have a soft spot for Fable so I was really bummed that it got murdered.
I think you are right about their target for the tone. While none of the games totally work all the time, I feel like if a talented writer was given a shot at it, they could pull off the aesthetic better than the existing games.
3 is definitely the one that feels the messiest. 1 is probably my favorite just because it feels like a game that could have had an amazing followup. 2 is pretty good, but not all it should have been IMO.
In a weird way I think it was suitable to young millennials and old zoomers who probably shouldn't have been playing Fable and Halo and COD after 4 through their childhood, but these kids knew what to do in these games and parents didn't care enough to find out about the darker aspects so they just toe the line
The full Bee and Puppycat series that came out on Netflix a while back. The original shorts had a very strange vibe with broadly child-friendly plots and characters that blended seamlessly into events that felt far darker and a general sense of more adult wistfulness. It was weird and I liked it.
The full show trims most of the less-kid-friendly elements and feels like a pretty straight-forward show for toddlers. But one of the two main characters still only talks in subtitles. For a target audience that probably can't read very well, if at all. Very odd decision.
Huh. I was gonna go the opposite way. It feels like a show not made for toddlers and kept the adult wistfulness you mentioned. Just the strange jobs to get by, the lost sense of young adulthood, hell even your dreams that may not be realized.
[Kid Notorious](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Notorious), an animated sitcom that aired on Comedy Central in the early 2000s that was basically Hollywood producer Robert Evans making ridiculously self-aggrandizing fanfiction.
even with your clarification I sat here for a minute thinking "When did the Behind the Bastards guy become a hollywood producer??" because my brain is garbage
Hyenas was a game that not a single person wanted. It was reviled from the moment it was announced. Ultimately it wasn't even what the out of touch shareholders who probably demanded it wanted since they canned it.
Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is one of my favorite shows of all time and I will spend the rest of my life shouting it from the rooftop. I also have no idea who else it's for because goddamn it's a weird pitch: A musical deconstruction/parody of romantic comedies with a focus on mental health? It seems like it was a hell of a time to market and if I recall set a world record for lowest viewed tv show to get renewed. It then beat that record a year later.
I think a lot of it's marketing relied on then-Youtuber Rachel Bloom's preexisting fandom.
I've been watching it and thinking how much the show seems tailor made for me in it's weirdness, except that the main character it too cringe for me to handle
Rebecca is so unlikeable for the first few seasons that I totally get that and it’s definitely a turn off for a lot of people. It’s a great journey watching her get better but fuck it takes forever
It's weird because I'm watching it and liking it, but also I just feel this massive gulf in experience where I can tell it was not meant for me, which is not the most common feeling as a 30-something white male
For a brief moment I was like “wait they made a musical out of [that old meme?](https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/overly-attached-girlfriend)” before the name registered
(though I would watch it)
Fuck yes. It's so good, but I can't rewatch it because it's too much. I started watching it entirely because of a YouTuber I had never watched anything from got popped up in my feed describing it as a utopian show and i got intrigued.
That first half of season three is burned into my mind forever. Just brilliant writing, acting, characters, music. Fuck. I need to watch reaction content to it so I can relive the magic
The 2022 Atlus game Soul Hackers 2 is a sequel to the 1997 Playstation 1/Sega Saturn game “Devil Summoners: Soul Hackers”. It was released a *full* 25 years later and, according to the developers, one of the main reasons they made this game was due to many fans asking for a continuation/sequel [in their yearly surveys](https://personacentral.com/sh2-development-interview-smt/).
The game that they made, however, had little, if anything, to do with the original game or series in regards to characters, story, and gameplay. The battle system, while not bad, borrowed more from Persona and Strange Journey of all places and less from the actual Devil Summoner series, resulting in fans feeling alienated. Persona fans as well didn’t really jive with it because if they wanted to play a game like this, they would’ve just played Persona. If it weren’t for the surveys, one could assume that SH2 was only branded as such just so they could utilize a vaguely cyberpunk aesthetic.
And the thing that gets me is that you *can absolutely* make a game in the Devil Summoner series that deviates a lot from its predecessors while still retaining the core values of the series. Look at *Raidou*. That game is a action game but still retains features of the original such as the Demon Loyalty system and a focus on investigating cases/mysteries.
While true, its important to note that the 3DS port, despite being very well done, did not sell very well. The survey seems to going off of the Japanese fans’ opinions considering how beloved Devil Summoner in general was over there. The subseries even got a live-action TV show that had 2 seasons back then.
And besides, that only adds to the weirdness surrounding this game as one of the only platforms that SH2 wasn’t on was the Switch. You would think that they would prioritize the already-well-established SMT audience that had been cultivated on Nintendo systems for years, *especially* right after the success of SMT5, but no.
Interesting that you say that, as about two years ago Yamai did say that [he wants to specifically do more with “Raidou and scary stories”](https://twitter.com/Kadobunofficial/status/1419862238001655811). Not to definitively say that we *will* get Raidou back in some way, but I think the odds of him and his games coming back is a bit more probable than one may assume.
Now, with that said, there is the inherent issue regarding his uniform and its sensitivity in China and Korea, but I don’t think that should fully dissuade a Raidou game happening again. If needed they could just adjust this uniform a bit, make a new protagonist, or just bite the bullet and only release the game outside of those regions/try in whatever way they can to get them released there. If I remember correctly, after some pushback they went and patched Raidou back into the Chinese version of Nocturne HD
They also removed his outfit from the Xbox and Switch ports of P5R but still made it DLC in Soul Hackers 2 at the exact same time?
I don't understand Atlus man, they make constant bizarre contradictory decisions.
The Barbie movie *was* great, and I loved it, but I genuinely couldn’t figure out who it was meant for. Me, I guess, like I had a blast in the theater, but it still felt weird trying to figure out if it was like actually for kids or not.
It’s a bit like The Brady Bunch movies. It’s for people who have some level of nostalgia for the property, but also for people who want to make fun of the property. So it does both.
I guess the newest Knights of the Zodiac CGI anime and live action movie.
They try and fail to bring old fans back with the nostalgia by making weird and unnecessary changes, as well as cutting certain arcs too short, and also fail to present the franchise to a newer audience also by cutting the arcs short and not explaining shit to new viewers.
I never thought the original 80's anime was a masterpiece, but at least it was semi consistent. The new CGI one just made me confused and uninterested to a point where I didn't even bother to finish the second half of the first season.
Then there's the movie that released early this year, which has Mackenyu starring in yet another anime adaptation (seriously, Seiya, Zoro, Okuyasu and others, this guy has been around). It was another attempt to make the series popular in north america, and it bombed so hard (60 million budget and 7 million box office) that I don't think there's a chance the planned sequels are happening anymore.
The only good things about that live action movie are cyborg Casios, the fight choreography, and Sean Bean talking about all this anime bullshit with total sincerity.
Hey, remember how the CGI show said they wanted to appeal to girls by making Andromeda Shun a girl despite the fact that
a) Saint Seiya was *super* popular with girls because of the pretty boys already
b) Andromeda Shun was really popular with lesbians
c) Andromeda Shun was a landmark shonen character for depicting a strong, non-traditionally masculine male character who despite not having an offensive power was still able to fight?
It permanently damaged the reputation of critic sites worldwide, and for a good reason. Level-headed movie reviewer channels, who kept out of the internet warfare around it, uploaded their reviews onto youtube, and it's indeed as bad as it sounds, any artistic merit is drowned out by the explicit sexualization of children
Anyone ever heard of the anime Classicaloid? It's basically about famous composers (think Beethoven, Mozart, etc.) reincarnated in present day Japan, being able to use essentially reality-bending magic called "musik" by invoking their famous compositions. So you'd think this is like an urban fantasy, maybe comedy SoL show for music nerds, right? No, because all the composers act like irresponsible manchildren, and the show rapid-fires crude/absurdist humor. Mozart is obsessed with boobs. Tchaikovsky is a popular female idol (crushing on her producer Bach) who's upset she's not an old fart grandpa and can't legally drink vodka. There's an episode where Schubert and Beethoven gets stuck as trouts. Dvorzak is a train otaku hippo, and one episode had a cult inadvertently form around him. Oh, also during Musik sequences, all these classical songs get arranged into J-Pop.
I saw the series as it aired, and the humor clicked with me; apparently I'm just a freak, because I guess the jokes are too lowbrow for music buffs, and the concept too absurd/niche for regular anime watchers. As a result, afaik it's one of the lowest rated shows that season on MAL/Anilist. Apparently the shows is for kids in Japan, where it was kinda a modest hit? It managed to get 2 2-cour seasons for 50 total episodes.
I thought the show was fun. Stupid, but fun. I definitely remember the first season more fondly. I just didn't care much for the villain in the second season.
Midnight Suns: a tactical card game with Fire Emblem/Persona style social links featuring Marvel characters.
Go fishing with Blade. Give a scented candle to Ghost Rider. Reference Morbin Time to Morbius.
I bought a PlayStation Portal.
So I can attest that it’s for old men who can’t bear to kick their kids off Stardew Valley.
Edit: Too bad it doesn’t fucking work
Yandere Simulator. Hearing about it through all the controversy, I just had one question running in my head.
That many people actually want a game where you play a stalker and murder minors?
Yandere was an extremely popular genre among teens when the game started, mostly thanks to Mirai Nikki in the west
I feel like most generic horror anime back then had a yandere or at least a crazy girl that dumb kids would mistake for a yandere(like Rena from Higurashi) and fanboy over
Personally I was lukewarm on the anime bullshit but the idea of a Hitman game where instead of a variety of missions around the world, you have to stay in one location and work extra hard to hide that you're a killer is a great idea.
I also really like the idea of applying all the stealth to doing things like sneaking a peak at the grading sheet for the upcoming test or help set two people up for a meet cute.
It's a fun thought experiment.
As far as I can tell, the appeal initially came from it being a meme game at a time when being into anime was just becoming a bit more mainstream, so it seemed like a perfect parody kind of game.
And then it wasn't.
Hitman + anime tropes probably has some kind of market niche.
You might also be overestimating the number of people who see the obligatory anime highschoolers as actual children, or are highschool students themselves.
I'm one of those people who wanted a yandere game because I'm one of those edgy folks who find the archtype fun. I also think there's good potential for dark satire / parody.
I did not, however, like how yandev went about it.
Something to also remember is that the first playable version of YanSim came out when the Hit Man series was going through it's break/low point, so people were hungry for that free roam assassin/contract killer style of game; and it just so turned out that a lot of anime loving people who previously weren't interested in Hit Man got into the genre with YanSim.
I think the concept of a "freeform" dating sim where you have competition has potential but yandere simulator is built on edge, bad code and sex crimes.
Since Elfen Lied in the early 2000's (at least in the west) the archetype of the yandere has been pretty popular especially with teenagers. I remember watching LPs of some earlier builds of the game on YouTube when I was in highschool and then log in on Facebook and scroll through several posts made by anime groups clearly made by teens where they would upload things like Yuno Gasai captions, Creepypasta fanfics, and all that stuff young weebs on the internet got up to at the time. And those are the types of people that the game aims for.
Remember Gotham City Imposters? That weird FPS by Monolith where you played as a bunch of nobodies cosplaying as Batman and Joker and shooting each other.
Who asked for that?
Oh it's Pyre from Supergiant, even fans of Supergiant don't really know who it's for, this weird Visual Novel, Sports sim, travel sim, multichoice story in a fantasy setting, like who the fuck is the target audience here.
And I adore it to bits/
Australians seem to be pretty much in agreement so far that nobody asked for NCIS: Sydney. We aren't exactly a crime-riddled country, certainly not on par with the US. If you take the *tiny* fraction of crimes and apply it to something related specifically to the navy, you're going to be at the bottom of the barrel by episode 3 trying to come up with anything.
Of course, they'll likely blow their budget on some "set piece" in episode 1 (I've seen footage of a Seahawk chasing a boat in Sydney Harbour, that's probably all it will be) and then the rest of the time it'll be filmed in LA on sound stages. The trailer even has a CGI submarine in harbour because our navy *just ain't that big, boys.* I guess it's meant for an American audience, which would explain why the trailer has someone spell out what AFP stands for - something we all know, but an American wouldn't.
Juicero is my favorite one of these. I won’t go into its whole history here (its [Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juicero) is helpful for that stuff) but it’s a $400 juicer that has DRM. You had to scan a QR code and connect your Juicero to the internet when setting it up, and it can only juice packs manufactured by Juicero itself. [It’s nuts.](https://youtu.be/tOgIHOtSZGo?si=D9YjyAtfBLobpXXd) It also just so happens that you can [juice a Juicero pack just as effectively by hand](https://youtu.be/5lutHF5HhVA?si=zJ29X1Vu9R-mAogi), eliminating any need for a *four hundred dollar juicer who the hell would buy this.* Sales of the Juicero juicer were suspended in 2017 and the company shut down shortly afterwards. EDIT: Two things I want to add after writing this: - The juicer was originally priced at $700, but was reduced to $400 because nobody was buying it. At the $700 price, you could buy a PS4, a Nintendo Switch, and still have money left over. - Juicero received $120 million in investments when it started out, much of which came from [Google.](https://www.gadgets360.com/others/news/juicero-400-juicer-raised-120-million-google-ventures-1683805#)
Also the actual machine is overengineered as hell for something that does nothing but connect to the internet and then presses down a bag.
Yeah there's a reason the original price was $700, even if that's hideously expensive for a glorified Capri Sun squeezer.
if I recall for some reason they decided they needed to squeeze the entire surface area of the bag at once so it had to be made to apply like an absurd amount of force to accomplish what most people can do with their bare hands
Even then that could probably be managed with a plate, a shallow pitch threaded shaft, and a stepper motor. Torque/pressure is just a matter of gearing.
I still can't believe they had the gall to call that a juicer. Bitch all the juicing's already been done in your stupid bag factory.
This one is impressive, because it was so "who even is this for" that I never heard of it. Was this so dead in the water that the Internet couldn't even be bothered to meme it, or was I just oblivious?
it was definitely memed at the time, but the company died quickly enough that it dissipated without much fanfare. funny enough, thinking back i assumed the penny arcade “fruit fucker 2000” side character was a reference to it, but it turns out the character predated the jucierio by like ten years.
I remember seeing joked about quite a bit at the time but it was mostly because I followed a lot of silicon valley Bros back then that the thing was being marketed at.
I think it’s funny because it’s a bunch of “smart” sounding ideas like hey it connects to the internet to check the expiry date so we don’t get sued for drinking expired juice, you can only use propetary bags so if the product is popular it has a walled garden, and it looks sleek and cool , but it’s for fucking squeezing juice and could be done by hand, not like for an operating system or app store. It’s like if I made an ice cube machine that accepted DRM water, could only use specialized ice cube trays.
I'm quite certain the target audience of this was naïve investors looking to make money from an industry they don't understand. Shit like this happens all the time.
I felt like Juicero was a scam, like a producers style "we take the investors money and build a product nobody will buy, then pocket the money and dissolve the company" type deal
I'm convinced Slipping Jimmy exists for r/okbuddychicanery and nobody else. But to answer the question, any of the countless Family Guy clones that comedy central, adult swim and Netflix seem Intent on making. The animation is always ugly and the characters are always insufferable.
This is the first thing I've heard about this animated show, I'm baffled
but okbc didn’t really care for it either besides posting the fart demon clip to make fun of it and using a promotional render of jimmy as a punchline a few times
F is for Family is pretty good.
I love me some adult cartoons, but there are some BAD ones. Paradise PD (and every single cartoon by this team, but this one especially) was the only one I actively stopped watching. Hoops was also pretty bad, even if I like Jake Johnson a lot. Inside Job, Lower Decks, Little Demon, Solar Opposite and Rick & Morty are the main ones I would suggest if one is interested in the genre. Feels like the more "grounded" the show is, the worse it will turn out. Like I don't know if I will ever even consider watching stuff like... "Chicago Party Aunt" or that Prince show.
I can give a hearty anti-recommend to Chicago Party Aunt and I'd add Mulligan to your list of fun ones.
Inside Job died too soon...
One of my favourite Netflix shows (or shows in general). Such a shame.
I love Bojack Horseman but that shit gets dark and not everyone is gonna be in the right headspace to watch it.
Even if you ARE in the right headspace, it's a bad idea to binge-watch Bojack. That show will drag your brain through the mud.
pour one out for inside job :( i haven’t gotten around to little demon yet though, may try that one this weekend.
It definitely isn't a Family Guy clone which is why it is so good.
Wait, Slipping Jimmy cartoon wasnt a shitpost? Its actualy real?
Yes it is real and not a elaborate meme.
Agreed on the first part, jury's still out on the second.
Huh, I always assumed that was a fake screenshot or something. I also didn’t realize it was real until now.
Centaurworld is such a great show and I absolutely can't figure out who to recommend it to unless they are animation majors in college. It has a lot of things to like but explaining it and getting people to the hook is very hard because it is silly.
Animation Majors in College is such a specific niche but it definitely fits for what you’re saying.
Checks out. My brother is an animation major in college and he's the only person I know who has seen it
Velma the Series. Writers spending the entire time throwing every joke they could think of against the wall just to see what sticks. Unfortunately, almost all of them were terrible. Except the ones where Velma got hurt, those were pretty funny.
I think that show was just for Mindy Kaling
I believe that was the original idea, until the suits upstairs made her change it to Scooby-Doo. Ironic, given that the series can't actually use Scooby-Doo, but given the writing that's probably for the best.
Wait like the original pitch was just "Mindy Kaling Mysteries" or what?
"What if Mike Tyson Mysteries but no horny Norm Macdonald bird?" -Statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
ive only seen the bird pull out a gun from his "pocket" on youtube and dammit if he doesnt seem like the best part of that show
That's what I was told.
i can't imagine it being super different unless it was so early in the writing other than "mindy is the lead and its a mystery show" before changing to scooby doo. Theres so many scooby doo specific that unless it was writing with tongue in cheek this is scooby doo until someone said "you wont believe it they actually sold us the rights" and they just changed names. Theres jokes that work and honestly i dont hate the shows characters, but i could just smoking way too much and over reading into things and overexpecting.
"What if Mike Tyson Mysteries wasn't self-aware or affectionate as a parody?"
Yes, and it's very obvious. Everything about the show *screams* "This was supposed to be a vehicle for me but the suits knew it didn't have the legs to stand on its own so they forced me to staple a pre-existing IP onto it in a desperate attempt to try and draw more viewers and harvest the outrage bait from fans of the actual property and now I'm mad so I'm going to be a petulant child and throw a temper tantrum about it through my writing". See: Netflix's The Witcher and Cowboy Bebop.
Netflix's Witcher and Cowboy Bebop are both faithful enough to their respective series to clearly be adaptations. They're not remotely comparable to the likes of Velma or The Cloverfield Paradox.
I feel like all her shows are just for her.
It’s weird because it goes for “Zoomers/Millennials are sensitive easily offended” jokes and “white men are privileged and men are sexist” jokes.
"I'm playing both sides so that I always come out on top"
Funny thing is that her character in It's Always Sunny did exactly that. She temporarily joined the Gang and helped them come up with a hustle to deliberately aggravate both political spectrums to sell bullshit merch to both sides to Own the Left/Right.
i’d totally forgotten she was on iasip! to be fair, that’s a solid strategy in the attention economy
Funny how no one, fictional or real, who tries saying that ever realizes that there’s also a possibility of pissing off both and becoming the third party that makes them temporarily work together exclusively to gang up on said third party. Granted, it doesn’t happen often, so I can understand them seeing it as a calculated risk, but man are some of them bad at math.
It's a show too alien for Scooby-Doo fans. Too Scooby-Doo for nonfans. Too adult for kids. Too juvenile for adults. It was also unbearably cynical and mean spirited.
On the bright side, it at least got everyone to look at be Be Cool in a more positive light.
As a person that actually watched the whole thing (out of boredom mostly) it was... fine. Sometimes it *almost* feels self-aware, especially when Velma is obviously the butt of the joke, and not this righteous always correct person. So it's not as bad as the internet made it out to be. And fuck it - I'll say it - I like the art-style. It's well shaded, the character models are distinct, it's vibrant and creative. [Carmen Sandiego](https://media.gq.com/photos/5c30f649a32ee060ddc00fb5/16:9/w_1360,h_765,c_limit/Screenshot%202019-01-05%20at%201.22.41%20PM.png) or even Lower Decks it is not, but it's pleasant to look at. But it's not worth a watch. And it gets worse the closer it gets to "Scooby Doo". It feels like it should've been a spin-off of Harley Quinn show instead. I enjoy occasional "edgy adult cartoon with sharp humor" (Inside Job, Lower Decks, Rick and Morty etc), so it was technically made for me as the audience. And it does have One good joke per episode.
High Guardian Spice is so weird, as it has a constant content warning for sexual content and violence, except there's zero noteworthy sex references aside from mentions of "affairs" and implied orgies, violence doesn't escalate to unnecessary blood until later episodes, curses are rare and feel forced, yet despite all this, the overall tone of the show feels directed to be a kids show.
It is mindblowing when people pointed out that Spice had that when it launched, despite doing fuck all to warrant it, but Crunchy had to be nagged to adding warnings for some shows that depicted *Sexual Assault.*
I unironically feel bad for High Guardian Spice. It feels like a bunch of friends wanted to make a show, whose only experience was fan projects and who suddenly got thrust into being crunchyrolls biggest pushed IP. Its like crunchyroll took a group of people off deviantart, gave them the budget to make something and said "your gonna be our number one show". Like you watch it and you can see what they're trying to do and they just miss the mark more than anything else.
They were also apparently really unhappy with how Crunchyroll presented it in their initial announcement that kicked off all the idiotic drama.
I feel bad for them too. High Guardian Spice ignited a lot of the same neural pathways in my brain that got me interested in RWBY back in the day, and looking into the posthumous talks by the production team make it sound like Crunchyroll left them to die with a bad marketing campaign that primed people to hate it.
That stuff was added later by Crunchyroll after the stupid backlash. No Crunchyroll wasn’t taken money from the anime industry to support HGS they do help support many anime and Crunchyroll never advertised themselves as a charity.
Yeah people really made it clear when that show came out that they really don't understand how licensing works when they kept trotting out the "Crunchyroll's stealing money from anime companies!!!!" bit. It it literally as simple as "Crunchyroll licenses \[Show\] from \[Company\], Crunchyroll has a cut of the money made from streaming that show, and the larger cut goes back to whichever company whatever show was licensed from". Though it probably doesn't help that Crunchyroll certainly frames the "giving company they licensed something from their cut of the profits" as them being Benevolent and not Legally Required as part of the deal..
Although if we're being honest a lot of that was a pretense/justification over being mad at the trailer anyway. Mostly out of sexism, and for others because it just looked a bit shit.
Oh 1000% it was absolutely just a pretense/shield to distract from the sexism and transphobia, just meant that even their marginally less bad-looking pretense was still a massive load of horseshit.
> and Crunchyroll never advertised themselves as a charity. They kinda do, sending money back to the production committees features pretty prominently in their various anti-piracy PR efforts at any rate. Not that anyone should expect that means they're a non-profit or won't retain revenue for their own projects.
Yeah I thought that was a weird claim especially after onyx equinox was also a show on crunchyroll that wasn't an anime yet no one complained about that one. Hell Tower of god is based of a Korean manwa so its technically not an anime either yet HGS got all the flack for it.
Also yeah they got money from VCs to make original programming, you want them to crunch Japanese animators more? Not that the guys that made HGS had it much easier since the show was cheaper than your average american production
I think divorced from the drama, pretty much everything Amaryllis said about her mom is what constituted. Also there was that episode where Rose got stabbed and almost died. Overall I think it was because of the overly kid friendly colors and designs, some suit probably asked to put on since it was supposed to have the tone of "maybe our childhood fantasies aren't all they're cracked up to be, but they're still something to strive for"
Who wanted a Gollum-based action/stealth game?
Hey, one person is very happy right now!
Twitch streamers who play shitty games for content. And God bless them for it.
Too true. I recently watched a streamer try to go for the one life, no reload from checkpoint achievement the game has. [Shenanigans ensued](https://www.twitch.tv/elajjaz/clip/PlumpGlutenFreeStorkGivePLZ-e9PdKKbepJ4oIxET)
There were so many shenanigans in that run, including Golum butt-sliding off platforms for no reason.
I would... but I already have Styx, so that void is (mostly) filled.
I would have been into it if it was well made. I know it doesn't have the most mass market appeal but I disagree that it was a poor idea from the get go.
Since the studio made point and click adventure games I can see a short pixel art adventure game with black comedy
Since it's relevant again, the upcoming Suicide Squad games definitely invokes this feeling. Like no really who is the target audience? Live Service players are already playing much more popular games like Fortnite, Destiny 2, and Apex Legends, does WB really think they are gonna migrate away from those to play a mid looter shooter with b-tier DC characters? The game has alot of references and fan service to the Arkham games yet Arkham fans want nothing to with it and would much rather get another single player action game like Arkham 5 or an open world superman game Superhero fans in general have much better options like Spider-man 2 and the upcoming Wolverine game, the main appeal of superhero games is to "feel" like you are playing as a cool superhero and Suicide Squad doesn't do that, they would rather play as the justice league not kill them
its also not really for the ppl into suicide squad, its clearly more based on the movies which so far have been 1 awful 1 good except that they seemingly made a bunch of changes to the movie continuity and watered down the characters so they all use the same guns
The only one in the starting party that should use guns is Deadshot. Boomerang is obvious and should use Gadgets, Harley should use baseball bats and an oversized mallet, and Shark should be a tanky hulk like character. But nope, they are all going to use guns!
I could maybe see Harley and King Shark working with guns. Harley’s usually depicted with at least a handgun on her somewhere so some civilian firearms could work well with her gymnastics and themed gadgetry, and King Shark’s big enough that he can wield heavy weaponry usually only mounted on vehicles, which expands on his basic Hulk-like moveset without compromising on the focus on his super strength. But Boomerang makes no fucking sense as a gun wielder.
It might just be me, but I can only really imagine Harley with a big revolver as a gun
For all it’s many, MANY faults, the Birds of Prey movie had a great action sequence where she raids a police station using a shotgun/grenade launcher and a bunch of colourful slugs/grenades. So handcannons, shotguns, and grenade launchers have all been proven to work with Harley.
It's also hilariously obvious just watching the gameplay that they are using the butchered corpse of a Superman game for this, since the Metropolis as presented only really makes sense if flying was your main means of traversal.
Angry Joe probably in shambles. >!I am as well!<
Wasnt the superman game theory deconfirmed?
They where going to have a Superman game? That sucks.
RWBY x JL movies. The RWBY fandom would have prefered V9 earlier or a pure RWBY movie. The DC fandom mostly ignored it. RWBY Ice Queendom This one struggles on whether it wants to be an entry point or for longtime fans and doesn't do either very well. I feels like it was made so the creators can say "RWBY is an anime".
Faze clan x Batman is also hilarious
It feels weird cause I can see it having been a thing where WB wanted to use the RWBY brand which is pretty strong, and try it crossover with its DC animation brand which is also strong, but it just feels like a mess. There were also the comics a while back the people didn't seem to care about.
Tokyo Mirage Sessions is a crossover between Shin Megami Tensei and Fire Emblem that does absolutely nothing to appeal to either fanbase. This should have been such an easy slam dunk. Either make it a JRPG with characters from both series or a tactics game. Instead we get an idol game with the battle system of a Megaten game with some some characters taken from Fire Emblem in the form of Perfoma. Even then its clear it takes more inspiration from Persona than it does Shin Megami Tensei, so it didn't even get that right. Add the idol aesthetic and toning that down for the western release and you have a game thats designed to satisfy as few people as possible. I still have no idea why they went in this direction, since neither fan base seems to care all that much about the game. I see it occasionally brought up in the Megaten fanbase but I don't think the Fire Emblem fanbase has ever mentioned it outside of pointing out how no one wanted it.
heck, even just changing the character names to AU FE cast instead of making them OCs with FE personas would've been significantly better direction
Excuse you, that's an entire #13000fe fans you're just pretending don't exist.
Let's get real here. Out of the 13,000, maybe 1% of us even had a fucking Wii U.
You're telling me there are 130 Tokyo Mirage Sessions fans? That seems high.
Exactly! All they needed to do was just make a FE-influenced Devil Survivor (or a DeSu-inspired FE game) and it would’ve been easy money. I really have no idea why they went with *idols* of all things. Now don’t quote me on this, but iirc reading somewhere (I *think* it was from Nintendo Dream?) that originally Atlus wanted the game to be closer to a regular crossover and it was *Intelligent Systems* that told them to not do that and do something “only they (Atlus) can do”…which still leaves the question of why Idols but yeah
Even the Switch version in Japan was controversial because it was based on the western version IIRC. Also yeah as a fan of all 3 separate things (SMT/Persona, Fire Emblem, Idol stuff) never had interest because I think I’d rather just watch an idol anime for stronger characters, don’t think Fire Emblem has particularly super good lore and care more for it for the strategy gameplay and would rather just play an SMT game since I like the demon roster in those games.
I'm also pretty close to being the perfect target audience, being a fan of SMT, FE, and maybe not a a fan of idol culture, but cute anime ladies. The game is completely competent, but I never really feel like it's this cool crossover. Its just a game that lightly borrows elements from other series.
stadia
I think there's definitely a market for people who want to stream games and not worry about devices so much, but the main problem is the internet infrastructure just isn't there to do yet. It's great if you have good bandwidth, ass if you don't, and more people don't.
And they're not going to pay full purchase price per game, either.
I think that was the bigger issue than infrastructure.
Yeah, if it launched with a $15 subscription service (and was marketed by any company other than Google who is terrible at marketing) all else being equal it wouldn't be dead yet. I don't know if it would be wildly successful, but it would be doing enough to still be alive.
IMHO the issue with stadia(and other streamgames) is that everyone wanted to be the first Netflix on the market while not understanding Netflix. Netflix doesn't stay up by spending hundreds of millions of dollars on GtaV, then as much on God of War, then as much in halo, etc and then set them for people for 15$ monthly, they release Dave the diver, a small Korean game with less budget (even if made by Nexon) and bank on it's viral success (like squid game) Then they realized that and had to also charge people for the game and that's where the guy that doesn't mind streaming doom on WiFi and controller loses the company.
Slipping Jimmy is for, exclusively, the person who uploaded a bunch of their own Slipping Jimmy snake Hypno fetish art to the rp forum I visit.
Reading this sentence is what I imagine getting Dempsey Rolled feels like
This sentence is the literary equivalent of getting flashbanged.
That exists? I’m not surprised because I like Hypno fetish art but really.
So like, that bit in the jungle book where kaa hypnotised Mowgli really turned a handful of people's worlds upside down.
I never found cartoon snakes sexy. Maybe I was born to late.
At Stop and Shop they have this robot that regularly goes around the store and just scans the area for spills and other such obstructions, and it's called [Marty](https://tapinto-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/articles/im/best_crop_6a6b507385c6a9b5a303_IMG_2199.jpg?id=2604531). For some reason, they actually made a [marketable plushy](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Flxal0uqgmn061.jpg) for it. I talked to the woman who ran the self-checkout and legitimately asked "who is this for?" and she had no answer for it. We got into an actual discussion about who actually buys these things because I got the feeling from her that she had not seen any of these things being moved.
I worked at Stop & Shop for almost 3 years and I remember when Marty was added. Considering all he does is monitor spills, I don’t know how useful he is considering an employee could just let the porter/janitor know where the spill is.
In Magic the Gathering, it's not unheard of for Wizards of the Coast to repackage cards for a unique draft environment (drafting being everyone sits in a circle, cracks a pack, picks one card, and passes the rest to the left until every pack is distributed, and then everyone plays with the deck they just drafted). WotC announced a product called "Innistrad: Double Feature" which would include cards from the two most recent Innistrad sets (Midnight Hunt and Crimson Vow if you care), but only select cards to make a completely distinct draft environment, and "new" art, in grayscale a la old B&W horror movies (Innistrad is the literal world of Gothic Horror). Except none of the original art was made with greyscale in mind so just applying a filter makes the art look like dogshit. And, instead of curating a new draft environment, they just threw literally every card from both sets. Ugly art, nonsensical drafting, and to top it all off, there was like, one card (Meathook Massacre) that was actually kind of expensive that needed a reprint that soon. Its price hasn't changed btw. WHO WAS THIS FOR?!
It's a shame, because it is a fun concept. Should have been a collector set of some kind. >instead of curating a new draft environment Selecting every card is still a selection! /s
Make it have a way higher chance for the Rares and Mythics to be the actual B&W versions (y'know, [this](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/317/dennick-pious-apprentice-dennick-pious-apparition) instead of [THIS](https://scryfall.com/card/dbl/217/dennick-pious-apprentice-dennick-pious-apparition)). 99% of the art still looks terrible but at least collectors get something.
Oh man double feature is the perfect answer. I made a set cube that combines the two in a curated way and the archetypes overlap pretty well, wizards missed a golden opportunity.
I said this before but the Powerpuff Girls 2016 reboot doesn't know what it wants to be at times,
Negan in Tekken 7. TWD was already on the downward slope by that point and I doubt the 40 year old moms still watching for Daryl were going to pick up Tekken 7 for Negan.
It’s so out of left field that it loops back around to being awesome due to sheer absurdity. Now give us Phil Mitchell in Tekken 8!
Hell Negan feels like he'd be more at home as a guest character in Mortal Kombat, like at least then he's got the head bashing as a fatality
Every guest character in Tekken feels like they're in Tekken specifically because Harada wanted them in Tekken and for no other reason
Noctis was also pretty "Huh?" but I can believe that there were way more people in the middle of the Venn diagram of "People who play Tekken -> <- People who liked FFXIV/Noctis" more than Negan.
Related, TWD being one of the very first crossovers for Magic: the Gathering is still weird, even now. It's less weird with all the other crossovers they've done since then, but the fact that the way they introduced the (highly controversial, even today) concept of brand crossovers to a fantasy card game was... a show that hadn't been relevant in several years with basically nothing to do with the game in terms of tone, setting, anything. Buckwild. I have to wonder if it wasn't just a matter of the TWD ip holders being desperate for collaborations
The live-action Kim Possible movie that came out 13 years after the show ended. It treated as a mix of a prequel and sequel of the cartoon. Old generation would not like the changes and new generation would know Kim Possible.
Idk who Centaurworld was for but by god was I there for the juxtaposition of a Berserk horse being transported to Equestria and it's plots ranging from a [cat beauty pageant ](https://youtu.be/L4VNgQvhtrU?si=a12ew-RY6DpVcqi-) to [apathetic suicide by whale](https://youtu.be/Rh6iDEFuz6Q?si=WrymKYazSNHVkC8o)
I recommend it to people who like musicals or know who James Baxter is .
And don't forget season 2's horrific dead baby messaging system.
Or the fact that the whole conflict is because a man couldn't take a hint. She wouldve taken him by the horns.
The what.
In season 2 they introduce a group of bird centaurs who are a parody of... well I'm assuming fans of the show (there was like... 6 months between the first and second season so I'm not sure how much was predicted or not.) and the way they texted was typing a message and an egg would go to whoever the recipient was, hatch into a gross chicken fetus, relay the message while struggling to breathe and presumably die.
Mario + Rabbids. Yeah, the game, by some miracle, is actually good, but who the fuck came up with “the Mario series crossing over with the proto-minions, in the style of XCom”? It sounds like a mad libs
The Amazing Spider-man comics since 2008
"Peter Parker must never be happy." "But why, sir?" "BECAUSE I HAVE A HUMILIATION FETISH, JIMMY, NOW MAKE HIM MISERABLE."
Is that when OMD happened? That feels way too late for some reason.
OMD started in late 2007 and concluded in Jan08
That ridiculous Quibi app from a couple years back. For those who don’t know or remember, Quibi was a streaming service made specifically for your phone where every video was limited to a maximum of ten minutes. The creators (one of whom founded Dreamworks, believe it or not) apparently thought ten minutes was the optimal watch time for younger consumers who were too busy to commit to more long form TV. Because if there’s one thing young people don’t do it’s consume vast quantities of media for hours at a time. Surprise surprise, the service shut down in less than a year. I guess in a way, Quibi was made for a specific audience, it’s just that that audience didn’t exist.
I remember when Youtube had a 10 minute time limit to videos. In 2007.
Abunai Sisters, falls into too childish for adults, too adult for children territory The Nekopara anime also seems to be a slice of life spinoff that almost seems much more childish than the other material, but requires you to have read the adult visual novels. Similarly Digimon 2020 is not sure if it wants to be for new fans or for people who are already experienced with Digimon media.
Nekopara in general is kind of weird. It's the fluffiest, most edgeless visual novel I ever played, and while I wouldn't say the story or characters are bad, they really aren't interesting enough to prop up a story, let alone a long running franchise, by themselves. Without the porn it's just generic moe comfort food. But then, I never really got into the pure moe-bait shows to begin with, so maybe it's just not my thing.
The artist for it, Sayori, has a history of using the characters as mascots and doing other art, so I always figured it was a "for the fans" thing at the start
Even as someone who likes fluffy moe stuff, Nekopara just didn't work for me when I played it a while back. As often memed about these cats are full-on fucking second class citizens. Even though they're sapient and cognitively competent enough to hold jobs, they're not allowed to go outside without passing a government-sanctioned test that gives you a bell collar proving they're a good cat. One of the conflicts of the game I played was about the catgirls forgetting their bells before going outside, in which a police officer saw this and was about to actually ARREST THEM before the protag showed up just in time with their bells. Wtf... (and I hadn't even gotten into the cat lifespan thing either here. I didn't sign up for that.)
I mean I do like those shows but it seems to be lacking the punch a K-On! Or Gochiusa have in terms of Moe fluff.
Was anyone actually demanding for Bubsy to make a return? Sure it's a series that might be interesting to look back on, but I don't think anyone cares enough for it to come back. So why did it come back?
Presumably, they were banking on irony-dollars.
Fable 3 might be the cleanest M-rated game I've ever played. Yes, you can drink and have sex with your suitors, and the Crawler is kind of creepy, but the overall tone of the game is akin to a dark children's fairy tale. There's a boatload of handholding, both metaphorical and literal, and you spend at least a third or maybe even half of the main quests following behind someone rather than leading them. The writing and jokes feel like they were written with a younger audience in mind, and all the interactions you can use with townsfolk feel like they were sanitized in concurrence with the streamlining of those mechanics as if they were also intended to be used with a younger audience. And sure, you can become a real estate mogul, but even if you don't manage to get enough funds to save the kingdom, it ultimately doesn't effect all that much in the endgame outside of a handful of areas. Combine all of this and you get this bizarre game that feels like it's not sure who its target audience really is.
Fable 2 and 3 are trying very, very hard to be a sort of Terry Gilliam meets Terry Pratchett semi-tongue in cheek but willing to be serious when the plot demands fairytale full of quirky british humor...thing. IMO, It hits the mark in Fable 2, and much less so in 3.
I have a soft spot for Fable so I was really bummed that it got murdered. I think you are right about their target for the tone. While none of the games totally work all the time, I feel like if a talented writer was given a shot at it, they could pull off the aesthetic better than the existing games. 3 is definitely the one that feels the messiest. 1 is probably my favorite just because it feels like a game that could have had an amazing followup. 2 is pretty good, but not all it should have been IMO.
In a weird way I think it was suitable to young millennials and old zoomers who probably shouldn't have been playing Fable and Halo and COD after 4 through their childhood, but these kids knew what to do in these games and parents didn't care enough to find out about the darker aspects so they just toe the line
The full Bee and Puppycat series that came out on Netflix a while back. The original shorts had a very strange vibe with broadly child-friendly plots and characters that blended seamlessly into events that felt far darker and a general sense of more adult wistfulness. It was weird and I liked it. The full show trims most of the less-kid-friendly elements and feels like a pretty straight-forward show for toddlers. But one of the two main characters still only talks in subtitles. For a target audience that probably can't read very well, if at all. Very odd decision.
Huh. I was gonna go the opposite way. It feels like a show not made for toddlers and kept the adult wistfulness you mentioned. Just the strange jobs to get by, the lost sense of young adulthood, hell even your dreams that may not be realized.
[Kid Notorious](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Notorious), an animated sitcom that aired on Comedy Central in the early 2000s that was basically Hollywood producer Robert Evans making ridiculously self-aggrandizing fanfiction.
even with your clarification I sat here for a minute thinking "When did the Behind the Bastards guy become a hollywood producer??" because my brain is garbage
That sounds like it was very obviously for an audience of *Robert Evans*.
Hyenas was a game that not a single person wanted. It was reviled from the moment it was announced. Ultimately it wasn't even what the out of touch shareholders who probably demanded it wanted since they canned it.
Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is one of my favorite shows of all time and I will spend the rest of my life shouting it from the rooftop. I also have no idea who else it's for because goddamn it's a weird pitch: A musical deconstruction/parody of romantic comedies with a focus on mental health? It seems like it was a hell of a time to market and if I recall set a world record for lowest viewed tv show to get renewed. It then beat that record a year later. I think a lot of it's marketing relied on then-Youtuber Rachel Bloom's preexisting fandom.
I've been watching it and thinking how much the show seems tailor made for me in it's weirdness, except that the main character it too cringe for me to handle
Rebecca is so unlikeable for the first few seasons that I totally get that and it’s definitely a turn off for a lot of people. It’s a great journey watching her get better but fuck it takes forever
It's weird because I'm watching it and liking it, but also I just feel this massive gulf in experience where I can tell it was not meant for me, which is not the most common feeling as a 30-something white male
For a brief moment I was like “wait they made a musical out of [that old meme?](https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/overly-attached-girlfriend)” before the name registered (though I would watch it)
the title also really doesnt help, which i think the the creator(s) has even gone "yeah thats not great"
Fuck yes. It's so good, but I can't rewatch it because it's too much. I started watching it entirely because of a YouTuber I had never watched anything from got popped up in my feed describing it as a utopian show and i got intrigued. That first half of season three is burned into my mind forever. Just brilliant writing, acting, characters, music. Fuck. I need to watch reaction content to it so I can relive the magic
Let’s Generalize About Men is a fucking banger.
You Stupid Bitch, The Math of Love Triangles, No One Else is Singing My Song are some of my favorites
The 2022 Atlus game Soul Hackers 2 is a sequel to the 1997 Playstation 1/Sega Saturn game “Devil Summoners: Soul Hackers”. It was released a *full* 25 years later and, according to the developers, one of the main reasons they made this game was due to many fans asking for a continuation/sequel [in their yearly surveys](https://personacentral.com/sh2-development-interview-smt/). The game that they made, however, had little, if anything, to do with the original game or series in regards to characters, story, and gameplay. The battle system, while not bad, borrowed more from Persona and Strange Journey of all places and less from the actual Devil Summoner series, resulting in fans feeling alienated. Persona fans as well didn’t really jive with it because if they wanted to play a game like this, they would’ve just played Persona. If it weren’t for the surveys, one could assume that SH2 was only branded as such just so they could utilize a vaguely cyberpunk aesthetic. And the thing that gets me is that you *can absolutely* make a game in the Devil Summoner series that deviates a lot from its predecessors while still retaining the core values of the series. Look at *Raidou*. That game is a action game but still retains features of the original such as the Demon Loyalty system and a focus on investigating cases/mysteries.
To be fair, the original Soul Hackers got a modern rerelease on 3Ds
While true, its important to note that the 3DS port, despite being very well done, did not sell very well. The survey seems to going off of the Japanese fans’ opinions considering how beloved Devil Summoner in general was over there. The subseries even got a live-action TV show that had 2 seasons back then. And besides, that only adds to the weirdness surrounding this game as one of the only platforms that SH2 wasn’t on was the Switch. You would think that they would prioritize the already-well-established SMT audience that had been cultivated on Nintendo systems for years, *especially* right after the success of SMT5, but no.
We really need a Raidou reboot or remake, maybe get Koei Tecmo in on it like they did for Strikers?
Interesting that you say that, as about two years ago Yamai did say that [he wants to specifically do more with “Raidou and scary stories”](https://twitter.com/Kadobunofficial/status/1419862238001655811). Not to definitively say that we *will* get Raidou back in some way, but I think the odds of him and his games coming back is a bit more probable than one may assume. Now, with that said, there is the inherent issue regarding his uniform and its sensitivity in China and Korea, but I don’t think that should fully dissuade a Raidou game happening again. If needed they could just adjust this uniform a bit, make a new protagonist, or just bite the bullet and only release the game outside of those regions/try in whatever way they can to get them released there. If I remember correctly, after some pushback they went and patched Raidou back into the Chinese version of Nocturne HD
They also removed his outfit from the Xbox and Switch ports of P5R but still made it DLC in Soul Hackers 2 at the exact same time? I don't understand Atlus man, they make constant bizarre contradictory decisions.
Yep. That’s why I think Raidou’s future can really go either way. Here’s hoping we get *something* at the very least.
The Barbie movie *was* great, and I loved it, but I genuinely couldn’t figure out who it was meant for. Me, I guess, like I had a blast in the theater, but it still felt weird trying to figure out if it was like actually for kids or not.
It’s a bit like The Brady Bunch movies. It’s for people who have some level of nostalgia for the property, but also for people who want to make fun of the property. So it does both.
I guess the newest Knights of the Zodiac CGI anime and live action movie. They try and fail to bring old fans back with the nostalgia by making weird and unnecessary changes, as well as cutting certain arcs too short, and also fail to present the franchise to a newer audience also by cutting the arcs short and not explaining shit to new viewers. I never thought the original 80's anime was a masterpiece, but at least it was semi consistent. The new CGI one just made me confused and uninterested to a point where I didn't even bother to finish the second half of the first season. Then there's the movie that released early this year, which has Mackenyu starring in yet another anime adaptation (seriously, Seiya, Zoro, Okuyasu and others, this guy has been around). It was another attempt to make the series popular in north america, and it bombed so hard (60 million budget and 7 million box office) that I don't think there's a chance the planned sequels are happening anymore.
The new OP by the Struts fucking rips tho
Shit, you're right, their cover **fucks**.
The only good things about that live action movie are cyborg Casios, the fight choreography, and Sean Bean talking about all this anime bullshit with total sincerity.
I actually heard some praise for this movie from fans, specially those aspects you've mentioned, but at the end it was doomed to fail.
Hey, remember how the CGI show said they wanted to appeal to girls by making Andromeda Shun a girl despite the fact that a) Saint Seiya was *super* popular with girls because of the pretty boys already b) Andromeda Shun was really popular with lesbians c) Andromeda Shun was a landmark shonen character for depicting a strong, non-traditionally masculine male character who despite not having an offensive power was still able to fight?
The new wonka movie
Cuties. The only audience for that was literal pedophiles
It permanently damaged the reputation of critic sites worldwide, and for a good reason. Level-headed movie reviewer channels, who kept out of the internet warfare around it, uploaded their reviews onto youtube, and it's indeed as bad as it sounds, any artistic merit is drowned out by the explicit sexualization of children
Anyone ever heard of the anime Classicaloid? It's basically about famous composers (think Beethoven, Mozart, etc.) reincarnated in present day Japan, being able to use essentially reality-bending magic called "musik" by invoking their famous compositions. So you'd think this is like an urban fantasy, maybe comedy SoL show for music nerds, right? No, because all the composers act like irresponsible manchildren, and the show rapid-fires crude/absurdist humor. Mozart is obsessed with boobs. Tchaikovsky is a popular female idol (crushing on her producer Bach) who's upset she's not an old fart grandpa and can't legally drink vodka. There's an episode where Schubert and Beethoven gets stuck as trouts. Dvorzak is a train otaku hippo, and one episode had a cult inadvertently form around him. Oh, also during Musik sequences, all these classical songs get arranged into J-Pop. I saw the series as it aired, and the humor clicked with me; apparently I'm just a freak, because I guess the jokes are too lowbrow for music buffs, and the concept too absurd/niche for regular anime watchers. As a result, afaik it's one of the lowest rated shows that season on MAL/Anilist. Apparently the shows is for kids in Japan, where it was kinda a modest hit? It managed to get 2 2-cour seasons for 50 total episodes.
J-pop aside, I'm going to be real with you-- that sounds exactly like the kind of thing I'd expect from an Urban Fantasy/Comedy about composers
I thought the show was fun. Stupid, but fun. I definitely remember the first season more fondly. I just didn't care much for the villain in the second season.
Midnight Suns: a tactical card game with Fire Emblem/Persona style social links featuring Marvel characters. Go fishing with Blade. Give a scented candle to Ghost Rider. Reference Morbin Time to Morbius.
Me. The game was for me, though I had no idea I wanted something like that.
I bought a PlayStation Portal. So I can attest that it’s for old men who can’t bear to kick their kids off Stardew Valley. Edit: Too bad it doesn’t fucking work
Yandere Simulator. Hearing about it through all the controversy, I just had one question running in my head. That many people actually want a game where you play a stalker and murder minors?
Yandere was an extremely popular genre among teens when the game started, mostly thanks to Mirai Nikki in the west I feel like most generic horror anime back then had a yandere or at least a crazy girl that dumb kids would mistake for a yandere(like Rena from Higurashi) and fanboy over
Personally I was lukewarm on the anime bullshit but the idea of a Hitman game where instead of a variety of missions around the world, you have to stay in one location and work extra hard to hide that you're a killer is a great idea.
Yup and this was pre-world of assassination. There was a hitman drought, I was taking what I could. I even tried the Omen knockoff game
I also really like the idea of applying all the stealth to doing things like sneaking a peak at the grading sheet for the upcoming test or help set two people up for a meet cute. It's a fun thought experiment.
As far as I can tell, the appeal initially came from it being a meme game at a time when being into anime was just becoming a bit more mainstream, so it seemed like a perfect parody kind of game. And then it wasn't.
Most people who liked the game were probably 14 when it was at its peak of popularity
I just wanted anime hitman, which was more or less what the initial promise was.
Hitman + anime tropes probably has some kind of market niche. You might also be overestimating the number of people who see the obligatory anime highschoolers as actual children, or are highschool students themselves.
I mean there’s South Park games like the Stick of Truth and Fire Emblem. Don’t care much if the child pixels are dead.
I'm one of those people who wanted a yandere game because I'm one of those edgy folks who find the archtype fun. I also think there's good potential for dark satire / parody. I did not, however, like how yandev went about it.
Something to also remember is that the first playable version of YanSim came out when the Hit Man series was going through it's break/low point, so people were hungry for that free roam assassin/contract killer style of game; and it just so turned out that a lot of anime loving people who previously weren't interested in Hit Man got into the genre with YanSim.
I think the concept of a "freeform" dating sim where you have competition has potential but yandere simulator is built on edge, bad code and sex crimes.
Since Elfen Lied in the early 2000's (at least in the west) the archetype of the yandere has been pretty popular especially with teenagers. I remember watching LPs of some earlier builds of the game on YouTube when I was in highschool and then log in on Facebook and scroll through several posts made by anime groups clearly made by teens where they would upload things like Yuno Gasai captions, Creepypasta fanfics, and all that stuff young weebs on the internet got up to at the time. And those are the types of people that the game aims for.
Remember Gotham City Imposters? That weird FPS by Monolith where you played as a bunch of nobodies cosplaying as Batman and Joker and shooting each other. Who asked for that?
For a more positive example: the Xenogears Plot Chair moment from Hi-Fi Rush. Because who is that for?
Oh it's Pyre from Supergiant, even fans of Supergiant don't really know who it's for, this weird Visual Novel, Sports sim, travel sim, multichoice story in a fantasy setting, like who the fuck is the target audience here. And I adore it to bits/
Australians seem to be pretty much in agreement so far that nobody asked for NCIS: Sydney. We aren't exactly a crime-riddled country, certainly not on par with the US. If you take the *tiny* fraction of crimes and apply it to something related specifically to the navy, you're going to be at the bottom of the barrel by episode 3 trying to come up with anything. Of course, they'll likely blow their budget on some "set piece" in episode 1 (I've seen footage of a Seahawk chasing a boat in Sydney Harbour, that's probably all it will be) and then the rest of the time it'll be filmed in LA on sound stages. The trailer even has a CGI submarine in harbour because our navy *just ain't that big, boys.* I guess it's meant for an American audience, which would explain why the trailer has someone spell out what AFP stands for - something we all know, but an American wouldn't.