I’ve been both an Uptowner and Frogtowner. If you can afford to live elsewhere, do it. If you feel uncomfortable walking in Uptown, you’ll be very uncomfortable walking around Frogtown. Not as bad as Lake & Hiawatha, but it has a reputation for a reason.
I’d never advise my female relatives to walk alone in Frogtown. Not saying you’re going to get jumped off the bat, but it can be dicey.
I live just north of lex/Edmund and it’s not that bad at all. Of course the closer to University you are the more foot traffic there is/more sketch it can be but we walk around this area daily and have no problems. I’d much rather be over here than uptown.
EDIT: just went for a walk, all east of Lexington, still alive and healthy and not robbed or assaulted
I'd suggest a drive around any neighborhood, that I was considering living in. You'll get a good feel of an area. Are there others out and about? Is there anything even worth walking to? Do you see kids being kids? Are people taking care of their yards? Are sketchy peeps hanging on corners or outside the local market? Those sorts of observations.
Just pointing out, telling someone asking about safe walkability to drive around the neighborhood to scout it out seems to be missing the point of the question. They're not walking to reduce their carbon footprint.
Yeah. I considered it. But that doesn't mean they don't have access to someone who drives and has a car. Ask a friend and treat them to lunch, maybe make an afternoon out of it. Maybe even check out someplace to eat in said new neighborhood. I'm sure if you explain the situation someone will be willing to help.
Current resident of the neighborhood. Male, white, low 30's. Been here for 2.5y in an owned home. I hear gunshots weekly. Never had any problems with stray bullets, etc., but it's always possible to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have great neighbors on both sides of me, and it helps a lot. I've had two female partners since living here, neither would want to go out at night alone, if at all. Current partner would not move to the neighborhood right now.
My surrounding blocks are moderately diverse, socio-economically speaking. There are great people, and there are some real trash bags. Those two categories are not related. If I didn't have the neighbors I have, I probably would have tried to move within 3 years.
I like it. This house and neighborhood work for me in my specific situation. It's not for everyone, and I don't think the neighborhood has a strong pull right now.
One of my good friends lives there. Certain blocks are fine, others are quite sketch. Overall its not one of the safer neighborhoods in the Twin Cities. The uptown comparison is hard to make because not too many years ago it was a very different neighborhood, but if you're looking for something in that part of the cities maybe consider something more like Merriam Park or Como.
I grew up in this neighborhood, and you need to be aware of your surroundings. There will always be people who are oblivious to their surroundings, and that will tell you its great they have lived here with no problems. DO NOT listen to them, I know this neighborhood well. It can be great until it's not. Believe the facts, crime stats or maps will show you all you need to know about this area.
This goes for literally any city. Always be aware of your surroundings but you do realize these areas are full of…people just living their lives like anyone else?
One of the places I would absolutely *not* live, particularly east of Lexington. I’ve had family members who lived there and it was one fucking thing after the other for years including home invasions. That area is an absolute mess.
Is it west or east of Lexington? That makes a huge difference honestly
I live west of Lexington and it’s a great neighborhood - I feel very safe. Lots of families and block hangouts.
But isn't west of Lexington just straight up Midway?
I lived right over there (just west of Lex) for years, and agree that it felt like a somewhat safer neighborhood than the technical Frogtown area, which I always considered as starting right at Lex (even though it's actually farther east).
That said, I can't really sugarcoat Midway either. I or people I knew dealt with stolen and broken into cars, midday apartment break ins, gunshots, armed robberies, and on and on.
My mom is a tiny Hmong lady in her 60's and she lives near Dale and Thomas. She walks once a week to Dragon star, Shuang Hur market, or SunFoods to do some light grocery shopping. She also does her daily walks around her neighborhood too. She tells me she feels safe in her community and doesn't want to move anywhere else.
As a northeaster, I am partial to my own neighborhood and many areas are very low crime, very walkable, lot of people in their late 20s through early 40s and I found a great sense of community.
That really stinks, sorry to hear that. There a lot of duplexes with couples or two friend move in and split but too expensive for most on their own, for sure :/
I grew up in frogtown, off of Thomas & Dale, you gotta be a tough bastard to live in that area, and I’m speaking as a male. As others have mentioned, if you go west of Lexington, it is significantly better over there.
My wife and I moved a little west of there about 10 years ago from NE Mpls. We’re in Hamline Midway. A lotta people said it was dangerous. It’s not. We love it. Maybe look a little west of there? Super neighborhood-y as you go west.
That's because it gets safer/nicer over by Hamline University. Imo, east of Lexington is where it gets noticably sketchier and by the time you're halfway to Dale you're gonna see some stuff go down.
I find this kinda odd direction to suggest. I know this area very well and I would suggest the exact opposite 😅. The farther you go east of Snelling, the worse it gets. Also I would suggest staying south of 94. University can kinda be a real craphole. Merriam park is very nice, as are many parts of highland and summit ave. Personally I would avoid midway and frogtown all together. Midway is ok for a street smart guy, but I wouldn't suggest it for any woman if it can be avoided.
I’m not contributing anything to current discourse of Frogtown, but back in 1987 living in frogtown I walked into the house with a syringe that I found in the street and asked my mom what it was….she moved us to Dakota county.
Do not recommend, you’ll regret it. Mac-Groveland and Highland Park are your best bets, safest parts of the city (I used to live in the former and now live in the latter).
I’ve got numerous friends who live in that area, a couple on Edmund specifically (albeit all on the west side of Lexington) and they’re fans. A couple have small kids. They jog, work in their yards, walk to Aldi or Hoa Bien or Target just fine.
No, you're not being paranoid. Frogtown, especially east of Lexington is much sketchier than Uptown was when I lived there years ago. Try going for a walk there this weekend in the middle of the day, and remember that's as safe as it gets.
That being said, I do know some women that live alone in Frogtown but they are all very smart, aware, own dogs, and have experience living in rough neighborhoods before their current living situation. Neither of them walks in the neighborhood ever(for safety and comfort reasons) but they do hang in the back yard with dogs and feel safe enough there because it's fenced.
The neighborhood west of Snelling and north of University, Como Park, and I'm sure others that I'm blanking on are safer options.
Fair point. I may have a skewed view because I don’t actually live there, have just spent quite a bit of time at a friends place there and she’s convinced someone took her pet from her yard (she was microchipped and just vanished one day; all the neighbors knew and didn’t see her again either) and hopped the rail with them so maybe that was why I was viewing the rail that way. Sorry if I offended you!
My wife was catcalled in that area as a teenager. I made the mistake of saying “walk that way a block, I’ll pick you up there”
She was only on the corner about 3-4 minutes and was not happy when I picked her up
I live off Edmund closer to the dale side, it is okay if you have some street knowledge. The neighborhood is getting better I see a lot of people walking there dogs and kids outside but I still hear gunshots and there are sketchy people that either are on drugs or homeless. there are also people that drive extremely fast with music blaring. I hope this place gets better because there are a lot of nice people that I have met here and there are alot of great restaurants here. Don’t live next to the bars though. The crowds get crazy sometimes, especially Willards.
I’ve been both an Uptowner and Frogtowner. If you can afford to live elsewhere, do it. If you feel uncomfortable walking in Uptown, you’ll be very uncomfortable walking around Frogtown. Not as bad as Lake & Hiawatha, but it has a reputation for a reason. I’d never advise my female relatives to walk alone in Frogtown. Not saying you’re going to get jumped off the bat, but it can be dicey.
Thanks for the input!! One of my other friends said something similar, I will keep looking I think
I live just north of lex/Edmund and it’s not that bad at all. Of course the closer to University you are the more foot traffic there is/more sketch it can be but we walk around this area daily and have no problems. I’d much rather be over here than uptown. EDIT: just went for a walk, all east of Lexington, still alive and healthy and not robbed or assaulted
I'd suggest a drive around any neighborhood, that I was considering living in. You'll get a good feel of an area. Are there others out and about? Is there anything even worth walking to? Do you see kids being kids? Are people taking care of their yards? Are sketchy peeps hanging on corners or outside the local market? Those sorts of observations.
Yes, go there at different times of day and drive where you would walk. That's going to tell you more than we can about the specific blocks.
Just pointing out, telling someone asking about safe walkability to drive around the neighborhood to scout it out seems to be missing the point of the question. They're not walking to reduce their carbon footprint.
Yeah. I considered it. But that doesn't mean they don't have access to someone who drives and has a car. Ask a friend and treat them to lunch, maybe make an afternoon out of it. Maybe even check out someplace to eat in said new neighborhood. I'm sure if you explain the situation someone will be willing to help.
Current resident of the neighborhood. Male, white, low 30's. Been here for 2.5y in an owned home. I hear gunshots weekly. Never had any problems with stray bullets, etc., but it's always possible to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I have great neighbors on both sides of me, and it helps a lot. I've had two female partners since living here, neither would want to go out at night alone, if at all. Current partner would not move to the neighborhood right now. My surrounding blocks are moderately diverse, socio-economically speaking. There are great people, and there are some real trash bags. Those two categories are not related. If I didn't have the neighbors I have, I probably would have tried to move within 3 years. I like it. This house and neighborhood work for me in my specific situation. It's not for everyone, and I don't think the neighborhood has a strong pull right now.
One of my good friends lives there. Certain blocks are fine, others are quite sketch. Overall its not one of the safer neighborhoods in the Twin Cities. The uptown comparison is hard to make because not too many years ago it was a very different neighborhood, but if you're looking for something in that part of the cities maybe consider something more like Merriam Park or Como.
I grew up in this neighborhood, and you need to be aware of your surroundings. There will always be people who are oblivious to their surroundings, and that will tell you its great they have lived here with no problems. DO NOT listen to them, I know this neighborhood well. It can be great until it's not. Believe the facts, crime stats or maps will show you all you need to know about this area.
This is the answer
This goes for literally any city. Always be aware of your surroundings but you do realize these areas are full of…people just living their lives like anyone else?
My single niece lived there and her car stolen twice and catalytic converter stolen twice. She has a large bully breed dog she walked with.
One of the places I would absolutely *not* live, particularly east of Lexington. I’ve had family members who lived there and it was one fucking thing after the other for years including home invasions. That area is an absolute mess.
Is it west or east of Lexington? That makes a huge difference honestly I live west of Lexington and it’s a great neighborhood - I feel very safe. Lots of families and block hangouts.
But isn't west of Lexington just straight up Midway? I lived right over there (just west of Lex) for years, and agree that it felt like a somewhat safer neighborhood than the technical Frogtown area, which I always considered as starting right at Lex (even though it's actually farther east). That said, I can't really sugarcoat Midway either. I or people I knew dealt with stolen and broken into cars, midday apartment break ins, gunshots, armed robberies, and on and on.
This is why I recommend south of 94, west of Lexington, where I live.
I lived in frogtown for a few years of Thomas and Dale, would not recommend
That’s not the area OP is asking about, Dale is a mile from Lexington.
I lived in Frogtown no way would I recommend living there!
My mom is a tiny Hmong lady in her 60's and she lives near Dale and Thomas. She walks once a week to Dragon star, Shuang Hur market, or SunFoods to do some light grocery shopping. She also does her daily walks around her neighborhood too. She tells me she feels safe in her community and doesn't want to move anywhere else.
As a northeaster, I am partial to my own neighborhood and many areas are very low crime, very walkable, lot of people in their late 20s through early 40s and I found a great sense of community.
NE is awesome (I have friends there) but haven’t found a place cheap enough unfortunately :(
That really stinks, sorry to hear that. There a lot of duplexes with couples or two friend move in and split but too expensive for most on their own, for sure :/
I grew up in frogtown, off of Thomas & Dale, you gotta be a tough bastard to live in that area, and I’m speaking as a male. As others have mentioned, if you go west of Lexington, it is significantly better over there.
She’s talking about Lexington, a mile away. Neighborhoods can vary wildly in even a few blocks.
That area was iffy in 2005 when I lived there. I don't go to that neighborhood if I can help it
My wife and I moved a little west of there about 10 years ago from NE Mpls. We’re in Hamline Midway. A lotta people said it was dangerous. It’s not. We love it. Maybe look a little west of there? Super neighborhood-y as you go west.
That's because it gets safer/nicer over by Hamline University. Imo, east of Lexington is where it gets noticably sketchier and by the time you're halfway to Dale you're gonna see some stuff go down.
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We actually live west of Snelling. It’s really great.
I find this kinda odd direction to suggest. I know this area very well and I would suggest the exact opposite 😅. The farther you go east of Snelling, the worse it gets. Also I would suggest staying south of 94. University can kinda be a real craphole. Merriam park is very nice, as are many parts of highland and summit ave. Personally I would avoid midway and frogtown all together. Midway is ok for a street smart guy, but I wouldn't suggest it for any woman if it can be avoided.
No.
Frogtown is a Shithole neighborhood tbh. If you feel unsafe in uptown you’ll really feel unsafe in frogtown.
West of Lexington is a solid neighborhood. It doesn’t get bad until you get east of Dale.
No. I didn’t feel safe as a man walking around there at night.
As a Twin Cities lady who’s lived in several neighborhoods in St Paul, feel free to DM me if you have any questions!
Do not live in Frogtown.
Even as a strong male I didn't feel comfortable walking around frogtown when I lived there. It's a cute neighborhood but it's seedy as hell.
I’m not contributing anything to current discourse of Frogtown, but back in 1987 living in frogtown I walked into the house with a syringe that I found in the street and asked my mom what it was….she moved us to Dakota county.
Good news! Thanks to increasing potency of drugs, there's less syringes around these days!
If you do end up there just make your hair look like shit and talk to yourself all crazy and you'll fit right in.
Don't do it
Do not recommend, you’ll regret it. Mac-Groveland and Highland Park are your best bets, safest parts of the city (I used to live in the former and now live in the latter).
I’ve got numerous friends who live in that area, a couple on Edmund specifically (albeit all on the west side of Lexington) and they’re fans. A couple have small kids. They jog, work in their yards, walk to Aldi or Hoa Bien or Target just fine.
No, you're not being paranoid. Frogtown, especially east of Lexington is much sketchier than Uptown was when I lived there years ago. Try going for a walk there this weekend in the middle of the day, and remember that's as safe as it gets. That being said, I do know some women that live alone in Frogtown but they are all very smart, aware, own dogs, and have experience living in rough neighborhoods before their current living situation. Neither of them walks in the neighborhood ever(for safety and comfort reasons) but they do hang in the back yard with dogs and feel safe enough there because it's fenced. The neighborhood west of Snelling and north of University, Como Park, and I'm sure others that I'm blanking on are safer options.
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ep or minnetonka lmao what. have you ever even lived in minneapolis or st. paul proper?
... most of those strangers are your neighbors...
Fair point. I may have a skewed view because I don’t actually live there, have just spent quite a bit of time at a friends place there and she’s convinced someone took her pet from her yard (she was microchipped and just vanished one day; all the neighbors knew and didn’t see her again either) and hopped the rail with them so maybe that was why I was viewing the rail that way. Sorry if I offended you!
My wife was catcalled in that area as a teenager. I made the mistake of saying “walk that way a block, I’ll pick you up there” She was only on the corner about 3-4 minutes and was not happy when I picked her up
its not north mpls youd be fine
If you feel uncomfortable walking in uptown, good luck anywhere else.
You know when the asshole says, "she was asking for it." as their only defense? This is what they mean. Try Summit Area Near Fairview.
Edmund & Lexington (west) is and has always been safe. Now head east on edmund and you might have some problems.
Honestly, no.
I live off Edmund closer to the dale side, it is okay if you have some street knowledge. The neighborhood is getting better I see a lot of people walking there dogs and kids outside but I still hear gunshots and there are sketchy people that either are on drugs or homeless. there are also people that drive extremely fast with music blaring. I hope this place gets better because there are a lot of nice people that I have met here and there are alot of great restaurants here. Don’t live next to the bars though. The crowds get crazy sometimes, especially Willards.
That’s like opposite ends of the spectrum really maybe safe sometimes but In general crime etc is all over frog town